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Speaker 2: Quarter adjusted earnings per share coming in above estimates at

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Speaker 2: eighty one cents. Estimate was for seventy four cents. Third

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Speaker 3: Gotta say, initial reaction, folks, not an upbeat one. Kunjan

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Speaker 3: Zabani of our Bloomberg Intelligence Senior semi conductor team, he's

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Speaker 3: an analyst. And then we're going to want to bring

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Speaker 3: thoughts about what we got from video today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Caroline Hyde, who hosts Bloomberg Technology on Bloomberg TV,

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Speaker 2: is joining us now. She's got our eyes closely watching

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Speaker 2: everything happening over ed in video that forecasts failing to

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Speaker 2: meet the loftiest estimates for the company cheers in the

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Speaker 2: after hours right now down about four percent, so they're

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Speaker 2: off of those lows, Caroline, But is this just about

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Speaker 2: high expectations, very high expectations and in Nvidia coming out

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Speaker 2: and saying Okay, we're almost going to meet them, but

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Speaker 4: And a very high market valuation that is the most

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Speaker 4: So maybe some profit taking when you are seeing, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Luke Capital, if you dig into the analysts expectations for

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Speaker 4: the fiscal fourth quarter or twenty twenty five, Luke Capital

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Speaker 5: Then you had few one and securities at about forty one.

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Speaker 4: Billion, and then you get into the thirty seven billion

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Speaker 4: there is some digesting that this isn't beaten raised and

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Speaker 5: Still, these are incredibly strong numbers.

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Speaker 4: This is a guide to the fact that we're getting

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Speaker 4: Blackwell on stream. That supply side will be ironed out,

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Speaker 4: and I think we'll have far more from Gensen hung

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Speaker 4: on that particular perspective, and that demand is still incredible.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's just a little bit of profit

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Speaker 3: Shift, Caroline Great point, right, it's not Reay yet. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, listen, this is her world that she's talking

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Speaker 3: to these you know, tech companies, following them inside and outside,

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Speaker 3: and this idea that there's still supply, that there's demand,

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Speaker 3: it's just the supply constraints. It's not like people are

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Speaker 2: over a senior intell senior analysts over at Bloomberg Intelligence.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing shares down about two percent in the after hours.

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Speaker 2: A couple headlines the company sees fourth quarter revenue coming

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Speaker 2: what's the question you'd ask, Jensen Wong?

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Speaker 6: The stock has tripled this year, right, so there is

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Speaker 6: I mean, I see that as a very strong sign

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Speaker 4: Questions, and if Ed Ludlow was but he's out in

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Speaker 4: But I think first and foremost we'd be asking exactly

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Speaker 4: and the incredible demand, What exactly does that really mean?

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Speaker 4: I think we'll be trying to articulate where the growth

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Speaker 3: Ahead of the release in Nvidia, traders bracing for a

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