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Speaker 1: Hey, be warned. The following behind the scenes interview contains

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Speaker 1: major plot spoilers of hooker Gate Season one. Yo, what's cracking?

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Speaker 1: It's me your best friend in the world. Lindsey Byron,

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Speaker 1: the host of hooker Gate, and I am here today

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Speaker 1: yet again with the homie Guy Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 1: The man behind the music the sound of hooker Gate,

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Speaker 1: And today Guy is gonna be interviewing me on the

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Speaker 1: process of creating this podcast. You know, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the process of creating this podcast, to be honest, could

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Speaker 1: be the subject of a whole season of this podcast

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Speaker 1: for sure, you know, for those of you guys who

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Speaker 1: don't know, and why would you know. I got pregnant

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Speaker 1: on the day that I was alerted that Guy and

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Speaker 1: I had won the next Great podcast competition, and so

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Speaker 1: hooker Gate all along has been tied with New Life

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Speaker 1: literally and metaphorically. I'll be honest, I don't really believe

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Speaker 1: in cosmic signs. I mean, you know that. But if

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Speaker 1: I did believe in cosmic signs, that pregnancy on the

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Speaker 1: same day is winning this podcast competition certainly would have

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Speaker 1: been one.

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Speaker 2: Before we get started. Let me say I had a

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Speaker 2: very young child when we started this whole process. I

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Speaker 2: think my son was about eight months old when we

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Speaker 2: first started on the competition pilot, and so I didn't

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Speaker 2: personally know what it was like to be pregnant, but

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Speaker 2: I knew, you know, my wife's experience being pregnant and

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Speaker 2: knew how difficult that was. And I definitely knew how

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Speaker 2: difficult it was caring for an infant. But I never

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Speaker 2: had a moment where I was worried that you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be able to do what you do. I know how

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Speaker 2: motivated and hard working you are, and I know what

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Speaker 2: going to pull it off.

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Speaker 1: Man. Thank you. I really appreciate that vote of confidence.

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Speaker 1: I knew I would pull it off too.

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Speaker 2: And we have. We have, so I say, we go

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it, all right.

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Speaker 2: So everyone has gotten to know Lindsay as the narrator

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Speaker 2: and the storyteller and voice actor in this podcast, but

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Speaker 2: a lot of you may not know much about Lindsay

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Speaker 2: and her history and career to this point. So why

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Speaker 2: don't you just give us a quick rundown of who

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Speaker 1: My name is Lindsay Byron, And first of all, if

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Speaker 1: you really want to get to know me, and if

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Speaker 1: you enjoy my writing, by my masterpiece, the best writing

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Speaker 1: I've ever done. My life story Too Pretty to Be

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Speaker 1: Good by Lindsay Byron, sold wherever books are sold online

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Speaker 1: that I'll tell you everything, but let me give it

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Speaker 1: to duck Wick version. I'm from Danville. As I state

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Speaker 1: in the podcast, I had a difficult youth. My dad

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Speaker 1: the name lux To be honest, I really just like

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Speaker 1: it's three letters, but incidentally it means light and lux

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Speaker 2: So let's start talking about Hooker Gates. Yeah, in the

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Speaker 2: very first episode, you tell us the story about your

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Speaker 2: news clippings of this salacious story that happened in your hometown.

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Speaker 2: How soon did you realize this was actually a real story?

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Speaker 1: Really, I don't know how, I don't know in what form,

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Speaker 2: Even just hearing those facts stated, even if it's dry

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Speaker 1: You know what? We got to talk about Facebook again

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Speaker 1: you trying to do? And then she'd be like, you know,

436
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: you seem like a nice woman. I shit you not.

437
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: And so that source, I decided, like, I don't think

438
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: that I'm big and pregnant. I'm like eight months pregnant.

439
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: To me, I'm like, I didn't really want to get

440
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: too involved, dude. And if I were one of these

441
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: like bulldog investigative reporters for whom I have a lot

442
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: of respect mm hmm, I probably would have shut up

443
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: at this woman's store and just hounded her to death

444
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: until she gave me what I wanted. But I didn't

445
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: have it in me. Yeah, and I also felt that

446
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: with the primary material that I had, namely the court transcripts, particularly,

447
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: that I had enough to go on.

448
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: Anyways, let's talk about the transcripts for a second, because

449
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: I remember that wasn't something you had when we first

450
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: started this process. You just had the news clippings and

451
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: you had big plans for interviews to be a part

452
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: of this. You never said anything about court transcripts. And

453
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: I actually remember at some point when we were doing

454
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: some prep work, I was thinking to myself, I bet

455
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: we could find the court transcripts, but you had so

456
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: much going on with the pregnancy and everything. I was like,

457
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: let me not bug her with details. She'll take care

458
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: of everything. And then I get a text. You're like, bro,

459
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: I found the court transcripts. So how did you find

460
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: the court transcripts?

461
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: It was no easy feat But shout out to the

462
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: folks in Philadelphia at the National Archives, because they the

463
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: ones that really found these transcripts. Now, how did I

464
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: find them? Shout out to the PhD. It was the

465
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: lifetime of scholarship. I am trained in scholarship and I

466
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: know how to find sources, and so I researched what

467
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: to research? How do you find transcripts? Who do you

468
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: go to? Then I started emailing different courts. This clerk

469
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: is telling me, no, it ain't here, you got to

470
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: go look here. Now that now I'm being sent to

471
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: this other clerk. Oh well, now it's not here. Maybe

472
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: try here. Through a up of different county clerks putting

473
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: me in different directions, I was finally sent to the

474
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: National Archives in Philadelphia, where they said they might have it.

475
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: So one day I was hosting a retreat, in the

476
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: middle of hosting a retreat, pregnant as hell, just hating

477
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: from outside the club while all of my guests are

478
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: hooting and hollering and having fun, you know, and I'm

479
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: like trying to be cool, but I'm jealous as hell.

480
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: And I get an email and it's from the National

481
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: Archives and they're like, hey, great news, we have found

482
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: the transcripts, and we are not going to be able

483
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: to scan them for you as requested because it's four

484
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: thy six hundred and eighty five pages.

485
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

486
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: Yes, but you can come here and scan them if

487
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: you won't. Do you know how long it takes to

488
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: scan four thousand, six hundred pages.

489
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I can imagine it's a very

490
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: very long time.

491
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: It's a very long time. It's a very tedious process.

492
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: And you can't put it in a feeder like a

493
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: copy machine like where it feeds mm hmm. You have

494
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: to do because they don't want you damaging their and

495
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: your shoff, of course, so you have to I bought

496
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: a flatbed scanner and I spent one week in those

497
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: archives and just scanning page by page by page by page.

498
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: By the time I was done and a head back home.

499
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Once I finally get back to Atlanta, it's time to

500
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: go to the beach again. Uh huh. And so for

501
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: this next beach trip, instead of the news articles, I

502
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: had with me all of these transcripts. And that's when

503
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: I first dug into them. And that year at the beach,

504
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: I sat on the deck and I read these transcripts.

505
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: They really transformed the story. It feels from my point

506
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: of view, it feels like the bulk of your knowledge

507
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: of the case comes from those transcripts rather than the

508
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: news clippings or anything else.

509
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: It does because in fact, the news clippings, most of

510
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: them at best, are secondhand accounts of the court proceedings.

511
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: M M.

512
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: And here I had the actual court proceedings. And the

513
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: hugeous gift of those transcripts is how many of those

514
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: women testified.

515
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, I guess we have a lot of those

516
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: quotes in the podcast. That really helps queue up the

517
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: stories that are told.

518
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so this mystery where I was just imagining

519
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: what must these women be, like, what were they going through?

520
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: Was for so many of these women no longer a mystery,

521
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: right Yeah, And I'm hearing like actual women who were

522
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: who had, by the way, dispersed across the US. Clearly

523
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: shit got hot and everybody got out. Nobody wants to

524
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: be involved, know these women that had kids and stuff,

525
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: like they didn't want to lose their kids. Yeah, which

526
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: was a worry for at least one of these women,

527
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: and like a reasonable worry because you didn't have her kid.

528
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: But the FBI went and found a whole lot of

529
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: these women and went knocking on their doors and they said, well,

530
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: you better come over here and do this testifying, you know,

531
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: or else, And so they did. And because of that,

532
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: I was finally able to get some first hand accounts

533
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: of what the women experienced.

534
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a really special thing that you're able

535
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: to find, because that was always from the beginning you

536
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: talked about wanting to tell the story of the women,

537
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: and that was only going to be possible with the interviews. Yes, originally,

538
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: and so were all very fortunate that you put in

539
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: that work. And it's clearly you can't just google Federal

540
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: Court transcript from nineteen seventy five and get any results.

541
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: It's a lot of layers that you had to go through.

542
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: It's an amazing story. On the topic of the interviews.

543
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: The other big interview that's featured prominently is Frankie Jones,

544
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: and boy, were those segments.

545
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: Wild, absolute gold.

546
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: I could not believe some of the things that he

547
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: was saying. What was Frankie like? And why do you

548
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: think he was so comfortable being so candid with you.

549
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: Frankie was immediately warm and welcoming and gave me a

550
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: hug when he met me. The reason that I contacted

551
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: Frankie was because his dad was on the grand jury.

552
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: So I was just hoping to get some insight, like,

553
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: you know, tell me about your dad's experience. That's all

554
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: I expected. Now what I did get from Frankie was

555
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: so much more. First thing I want to say about Frankie,

556
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: when we started talking already, I was like, Okay, this

557
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: is gold, because I'm gonna tell you. People think that

558
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: this accent of mine is fake. They do. Yeah, that

559
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: dude started talking, I'm like, oh my god, he's even

560
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: more damnvill than me. Like that real Southern accent, you

561
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: can't you can't replicate it. Yeah, So when I heard

562
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: his accent, I already knew. I'm like, this voice is

563
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: gonna sound beautiful on this podcast. Frankie chose to open

564
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: up to me because he was just treating me like

565
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: a human being with whom he was having an honest conversation,

566
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: which is rare. He It was disarming, in fact, the

567
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: unguarded honesty from this man. It was a pleasant surprise,

568
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: the sort of jovial nature in which he told these stories.

569
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: Did I ever think I was gonna find an individual

570
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: who had actually been to one of these brothels who

571
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: was willing to talk about it.

572
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: Hell no, you didn't even know when you started the interview.

573
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. But then he starts talking about, yeah, I've

574
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: been to one or two, and I'm like, oh, helly,

575
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, tell me more. And I really appreciate that

576
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: honesty because even talking about these topics, you know, I mean,

577
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of like, look, I will tell

578
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: you what I don't want to do. And one of

579
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: my greatest fears in regards to this project, I don't

580
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: want to bring any problems or shame on anybody who

581
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: chose to be involved. And that's why it's hard, you know,

582
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: to even write about people. I mean, like, you know,

583
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: a lot of these people are still alive. Man, I

584
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: want to tell this story. I'm telling the story. Obviously,

585
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: it's told, it's done, but there's a part of me

586
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: that's like, damn, you know, like do I want to

587
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: like these people are fifty years gone? People change. I mean, bro, listen,

588
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: if you wanted to make a podcast about the fucked

589
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: up shit that I've done, boy, we could have a

590
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: number of seasons on that. By the way, please okay,

591
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: please don't. And I know That's how I feel, like,

592
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: please don't. So you know it is with some uh

593
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: conflictedness that I tell this story at all, because you know,

594
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, all of this was public, it was all

595
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: in the news. I'm not bringing up anything that ain't known.

596
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: But I don't want to drag people's name through the mud.

597
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to fuck anybody's life up like I

598
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. But at the same time,

599
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: is there any story in the world that can be

600
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: told without that risk? And if I allow that to

601
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: keep me from researching, if I allow that to keep

602
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: me from telling stories, then what story can I ever

603
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: tell that everybody looks good in? And if everybody looks good,

604
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: then where's the story?

605
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So let's pivot again. You talked a lot

606
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: about your origin story when we started the conversation, and

607
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: you definitely mentioned that you are an artist. And something

608
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: that I have always found striking about you is that

609
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: when you talk about yourself, you use that word artist.

610
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 2: What does being an artist mean to you and how

611
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: does it influence your career to this point and your

612
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: ambitions for the future.

613
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: Man, we are always looking at this life and we

614
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: are trying to understand what it means, and we find

615
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: this meaning in any number of ways, but the search

616
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: for it is absolutely fundamental to humanity, hence the existence

617
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: of religion. For example, when I talk about being a writer,

618
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: and when I talk about being an artist, to me,

619
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: it means this. We're all living this life. We're all

620
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: seeing the trees and the people walk around and the

621
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: experiences that we're having. And I'm seeing the same thing

622
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: as everybody else. But sometimes I see things and to

623
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: me they are immediately a poem, laiden with meaning, a

624
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: way that we can understand what life is about. In

625
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: the early days of COVID, they removed the swings from

626
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: the swing set in my neighborhood playground and wrapped the

627
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: swing set and caution tape. Yeah, that's a poem. That's

628
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: the kind of image that I take. I put it

629
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: in my back pocket and I think, one damn, we'll

630
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: put this shit into a story. I am a collector

631
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: of such images. I'm a collector of the casual things

632
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: that a person says that they don't ever think twice about.

633
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: But I hear it, and I think that's a poem.

634
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: We talk about ai writing stories. Oh, the writers are

635
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: gonna lose their jobs, you know, like the AI is

636
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: writing stories. Yeah, they might be able to make some

637
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: paragraphs and shit, but how can the robots understand the

638
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: human heart and the meaning of this universe of chaos.

639
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: I could have gone my whole life and never been

640
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: all these sparkly pretty things that I had to be

641
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: to make money. But if I was on this deathbed

642
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't write this book, I didn't write this art.

643
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: I didn't write all the poems that I guess nobody's

644
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: ever gonna read that I couldn't do. Being an artist

645
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: is the most important thing to me as an individual,

646
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: regardless of any material gains that I ever received from it.

647
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: It is where I find my meaning. It is where

648
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: I make my meaning. And if I could be known

649
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: for anything, it would be my art.

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Speaker 2: I love what you said, a collector of images. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that was off the cuff or not,

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Speaker 2: but I think that's a really brilliant way of describing

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Speaker 2: being an artist of any medium, A collector of images

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Speaker 2: from life. Yes, that you convey the beauty of the hidden,

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Speaker 2: beauty of that of a.

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Speaker 1: Beautyl Yes, like I'm not making things up out of

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Speaker 1: whole cloth. I am not making things up. I merely

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Speaker 1: have the ability to see the meaning in what already exists,

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Speaker 1: the meaning that I think a lot of people miss.

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Speaker 2: M m. Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful. Well, this has been

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Speaker 2: an amazing convert stations been so much fun talking about this.

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Speaker 2: We also had a conversation with me about my role

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Speaker 2: in the podcast, and it's been so fun to debrief

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Speaker 2: and talk about this process. And I hope all of

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Speaker 2: you really appreciate hearing this behind the scenes. Once again,

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Speaker 2: too pretty to be good. I can't say it enough.

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Speaker 2: You got to read it. Strip Cast.

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Speaker 1: Y'all will probably like strip Cast because, in my humble opinion,

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Speaker 1: it's quite a page turner.

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Speaker 2: It's very compelling.

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Speaker 1: But when you listen to it, you're gonna be like, damn,

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Speaker 1: this is a angry ass bitch and I'm as mad

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Speaker 1: as a motherfucker the whole time. But yeah, check it out.

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Speaker 1: And also, Guy, you are an artist in your own right.

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Speaker 1: I am so plug your stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing you can do is

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Speaker 2: go to Guy Kelly dot com. You can find links

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Speaker 2: to my music. I have a few different artist names.

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Speaker 2: I have some music listed under Guy Kelly on Spotify

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Speaker 2: or or any streaming service you go to. But if

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Speaker 2: you want to find lots of my work, some of

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Speaker 2: my design work, head to my website Guykelly dot com

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Speaker 2: and you can get links to all kinds of stuff

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Speaker 2: that I do there.

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Speaker 1: Hey, dudes, yo, I really appreciate y'all listening to me

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Speaker 1: and guys art this whole season. Let us know what

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Speaker 1: do you want to hear in season two? By the way,

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Speaker 1: I've already got it planned out, but you know all

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Speaker 1: might take some input. What do you want to hear

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Speaker 1: more of? What can't you wait for next season? Season

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Speaker 1: one was a bastuff of labor, but we about to

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Speaker 1: do it again. Thank you for being here, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time. I am Lindsey Byron and this is

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Speaker 1: my homeboy, Guy Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. Now, let me be clear, I thoroughly support lesbian orgy.

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Speaker 1: All right? Where are they at? Let me know? Send

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Speaker 1: me the invite, just Kidden or Emma