WEBVTT - 113: Ahsoka

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nedificent from Home,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly indefinitely. I feel like they might have just sold

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<v Speaker 1>our studio at this point. I don't even know who's

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<v Speaker 1>over there. I just imagine it's a bunch of cobwebs,

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<v Speaker 1>but like we're also maybe possibly getting mail over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Um My, my co host this week

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<v Speaker 1>is our beautiful, wonderful super producer Joel Monique. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think is happening over at our studio? I know what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening over there, but I sort of like the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>that you've created. I love now that you're you're a

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<v Speaker 1>super producer and like produced so many shows now at

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<v Speaker 1>my heart that you have the inside more than I do. Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I know who manages our unit. So I say, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have mail coming there, it's safe, okay if you

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was like an edible company that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to send us edibles and so I might need

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<v Speaker 1>to take a visit to ours. Have to run over

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<v Speaker 1>there and just see what's up with that. Absolutely. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's guest she is a writer, a comedian. Repeat guest

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<v Speaker 1>that was on our Doctor Who episode, one of our

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<v Speaker 1>most listened to episodes. It's Riley Silverman, Hey, Hello, And

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who at least unless you move studios, has

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<v Speaker 1>been in your studio before and for multiple podcasts, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming even with all this happening, there was still a

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<v Speaker 1>parking headache the parking lot behind the building. There is

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<v Speaker 1>still someone saying there's no room for cars and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not supposed to park where we've been told by every

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<v Speaker 1>email we're supposed to park, even though we have paid

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<v Speaker 1>parking spots for you, Riley specifically as a guest, I

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<v Speaker 1>know it was someone should do. I feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>could actually do a television show about that parking lot, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, there'd be so much drama and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Um today, Joel, do you want to tell everyone what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. We're talking about my favorite Jedi. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a socaton. Oi'm so excited we are, and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've tried to attack Star Wars is such

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<v Speaker 1>a huge franchise. You know, at the start of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>we had like five weeks I think we did tackling

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<v Speaker 1>different elements of Star Wars, and so for for us,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's so much more fun to talk about niche

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<v Speaker 1>like character, like breaking down you know, about droids are

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<v Speaker 1>breaking down about our favorite characters as opposed to talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Star Wars at large. Since there's entire podcast dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to Lady Danny, it's a lot less research on my

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<v Speaker 1>end about one character instead of the very broad scope.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the broad scopes, so because we we really

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<v Speaker 1>were able to get into like what do those things

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<v Speaker 1>mean on sort of like both the nebulous level and

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<v Speaker 1>like a very specific sort of analyzing of how do

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<v Speaker 1>they improve the series and what does that mean different characters.

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<v Speaker 1>But like to talk about Asoka, who is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the first you see female Jedi walking in the background

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<v Speaker 1>of things. If you're fans of the novels, you may

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<v Speaker 1>have come across one like in training or like running

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<v Speaker 1>the library, do you want a lot of cool stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the first Jedi that where we are

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<v Speaker 1>like in their story and she become such a fan

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<v Speaker 1>favorite and like much like Harley Queen's journey from animated

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<v Speaker 1>character to live action to comic books and source spilling out,

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<v Speaker 1>so because had a very similar journey and so to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of see her blossom into both an older figure

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<v Speaker 1>having the revisit of her like late teen years in

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<v Speaker 1>the New Clone Wars season. There's just there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>to like, love and see about her timeline and there's

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<v Speaker 1>still so much to go and because of Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just get to pop in that timeline whenever.

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<v Speaker 1>What she means to the series overall could change in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years and it could be a huge impact. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of the reasons I love her. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like she was created for me. I got into Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars during the Clone Wars animated series. I've watched it before,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's when I fell in love and a Soco

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of the person who guided me through that series.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her. But well, speaking as you're clearly geeking now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna transition. You know, our historically great transitions on

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<v Speaker 1>this we just call them out like we see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Um uh. Every week we start with what we're geeking

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<v Speaker 1>out about. And Riley, I would love to start with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything that you're super into right now? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's with the Quarantine world. It feels like

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<v Speaker 1>such a weird time to get out abou stuff because

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<v Speaker 1>you're keeping out about things that like may have aired

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<v Speaker 1>like years and years ago. You're like refinding old things.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I've been doing is So I I have

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<v Speaker 1>temporarily relocated to Ohio because I was helping my mom

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<v Speaker 1>move um and I had to drive to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>so I actually packed up my work stuff and came

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<v Speaker 1>out here, and I've been working out of Ohio and

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of pretty quarantined out here. But my girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>has never seen most of the Marvel Cinematic movies, so

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<v Speaker 1>we have actually been working our way through them together,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really fun to do. So that's been a

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<v Speaker 1>huge thing. And then also she had never seen except

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<v Speaker 1>for I think Jurassic World, she had never seen any

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<v Speaker 1>of Durassic Park movies, and we went and saw Jaws

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<v Speaker 1>and Jurassic Park as a double feature at at a

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<v Speaker 1>drive in theater. And so now we're slowly working away

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<v Speaker 1>through Durrassic Park movies too. So it's been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of like binging of like movie franchises that she missed

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<v Speaker 1>out on at certain points in her life. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>envious of your quarantine because that sounds amazing. So did you, um,

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<v Speaker 1>are you watching it the m c U how it

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<v Speaker 1>was released? Yeah, I think at smart here to do

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. And also I kind of let her

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<v Speaker 1>pick like the same thing, like she actually very apropoe

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<v Speaker 1>for today's discussion. She chose to get into Star Wars

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<v Speaker 1>last fall because she had only only had ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>like I think, like Phantom Menace when she worked in

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<v Speaker 1>a movie theater and we went through Galaxy's Edge last

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<v Speaker 1>September August September UM at Disneyland, and I freaked out

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like my main one of my main like

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime fandoms, and it was amazing to finally see it

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<v Speaker 1>in person like that. And she thought it was fun,

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<v Speaker 1>but didn't have the same quite connection that I did

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<v Speaker 1>with it. So then she made the decision that she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go through Star Wars herself and like watch everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the most important aspects of doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think was letting her make her own journey with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I never said, like, you have to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the movies in this order and enjoy it in this way,

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<v Speaker 1>and she like researched it herself and decided which way

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<v Speaker 1>she went, like she asked me for my advice, but

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<v Speaker 1>um ultimately chose to do it her own way. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was so funny because then I remember like going

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<v Speaker 1>online and I was like tweeting and posting about her

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<v Speaker 1>reactions to the things that she was watching, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were having some fun interactions and so many and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly dude sorry guys um would message me or respond

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<v Speaker 1>to my tweets with like the instructions they wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to give my girl improve her viewing process. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember thinking, like, like, you know, I I think about

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<v Speaker 1>how many times in my life I've heard uh, like

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<v Speaker 1>straight like this dude like probably white talk about like

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<v Speaker 1>how like they can't get their girlfriends into their nerdy things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I almost go, maybe the reason why you can't

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<v Speaker 1>isn't because they're not in the stuff. It's that like

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<v Speaker 1>you have made it so there's no chance for them

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<v Speaker 1>to find any joy in it as you go through

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<v Speaker 1>it with them, because if they try to watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not trying to let them have their own experience

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<v Speaker 1>with it. You're trying to have your exact experience with it,

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<v Speaker 1>how you curate it. And I don't think it works

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<v Speaker 1>that way. So yeah, I think that like with Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 1>I very much like let her make her like I

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<v Speaker 1>I step back, and she went on her own journey

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<v Speaker 1>with it, and she ended up loving it, and now

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<v Speaker 1>she's a pretty big Star Wars fan. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>that if I had been like, no, okay, so you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta watch, you gotta watch Star Wars and an Empire

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're gonna watch you're gonna forget in a

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<v Speaker 1>menus and then you're gonna watch Tecnic Clonson. Then you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna watch humto this like she would have her eyes

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<v Speaker 1>would have glazed over and she would have been done.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead it was like that, And so that same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with with the m c u UM. She just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like looked it up and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think for her release order makes the most sense, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's watched watching it that way. Yeah, I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>that's such a good point of like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I have dated a couple of people who like when

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<v Speaker 1>a scene is coming up there like oh you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like they're just trying to take away like

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<v Speaker 1>the moment from you, and like we're all gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>Something that I remember is when you sit down to

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<v Speaker 1>watch a movie, you bring all of your life experiences

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<v Speaker 1>with you to that, and a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand that. So we're never it's never going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the same for me as like say someone I'm dating

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<v Speaker 1>and vice versa, like there are moments in these films

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<v Speaker 1>that I might latch onto in a way that they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think if you don't exactly resonate with

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<v Speaker 1>a film or a specific moment in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they do, even though their experiences are so different, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like yours is somehow less than and it's like as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to just letting her, like you said, just experience

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<v Speaker 1>it and take what she does. And it's yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>also I did want to say so when my my

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<v Speaker 1>family got Disney Plus, my older brother texted me and

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, oh, I'm watching all the m c

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<v Speaker 1>U because he has two kids and he just like

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<v Speaker 1>picks up what movies he can here and there, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also doesn't have to do this for a living,

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<v Speaker 1>so he doesn't go. He never sees anything in theaters

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<v Speaker 1>ever um anymore. Uh and so but it was funny

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<v Speaker 1>because he wrote me and he was like, oh, I'm watching.

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<v Speaker 1>I found this article and it said this is how

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to watch them. And I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that article was probably written by Hector navarre Or. And

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<v Speaker 1>I told Hector, I'm like I hate you. Because Hector

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<v Speaker 1>was so big about like you watched this and then

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<v Speaker 1>you hop over and you watch this, and then because

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<v Speaker 1>it was like canonically closing scene ties into this move

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<v Speaker 1>I read that scene. I love Hector, but yeah, it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Hector, that's great if you've already seen Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. That's not a great viewing method if you've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen them. And like even his article kind of

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<v Speaker 1>requires you to have seen them to understand, right, it

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<v Speaker 1>tells you the things that connect, which like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen them, that article spoils it all for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you still in the end. And again, Hector

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<v Speaker 1>has been on here five times and I'll like clip

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<v Speaker 1>and send this to home because I literally wrote him

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, damn you. You got to my

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<v Speaker 1>brother who had never seen them. But yeah, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>really funny how there's no Oh, that's why I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, there's no right way to like consume a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this, especially when it's been out for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of us might have caught some of it,

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<v Speaker 1>like half the movie on on FFX during July four

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<v Speaker 1>weekend or you know it's yeah, it's yeah. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was I was talking to somebody recently about how different.

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<v Speaker 1>Watching franchises is now versus when like I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little kid in the eighties, because the way, like the fact,

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<v Speaker 1>like your brother can can catch up to the m

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<v Speaker 1>c you like going on Disney Plus and watching it

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<v Speaker 1>in the release order, and now like any parents who

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<v Speaker 1>like want to get their kids into m c U

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<v Speaker 1>stuff can do that with Disney Plus or the DVD

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<v Speaker 1>collection or whatever. But back in the ages were like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you had VHS tapes, but for the most part, when

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<v Speaker 1>franchise movies came out, you almost just joined the franchise

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<v Speaker 1>with whatever movie was new. When you were like I,

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<v Speaker 1>I have much better vivid memories of seeing Indiana Jones

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<v Speaker 1>in the Last Crusade than I do have Raiders of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lost Arc because like Temple of Doom was a

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<v Speaker 1>little I was a little too young when it came out,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was like my brother's movie. But I like

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the character of Indiana Jones. So when

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<v Speaker 1>Last Crusade came out, like it was Taylor made for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, here's a movie that's like your guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but now it's a new movie with him in it

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<v Speaker 1>and you can watch it. And same thing with like

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<v Speaker 1>Ghostbusters too, and something like that, where I was like

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<v Speaker 1>you I had I was aware of the first one,

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<v Speaker 1>but the second one was like my exact age range

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<v Speaker 1>when it came out and that's when you saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Green Wins too, like I saw Greenlins too and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it before I saw Green Ones one. And now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure people still do that, like their

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<v Speaker 1>kids are too young to know what sequels are, they

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<v Speaker 1>might just take their kids to see like a superhero movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that nowadays, like I imagine there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of people who likes like kids who

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<v Speaker 1>are Star Wars fans who the first Star Wars when

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<v Speaker 1>they saw was Force Awakens. You know, I think most

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<v Speaker 1>of them probably got seen showing the trilogy, showing the

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<v Speaker 1>prequels maybe, or showing the cartoon shows or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when Force Wagans came out, then they took them

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<v Speaker 1>to see that till yeah. Um, luckily we have literally

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<v Speaker 1>everything at our consumption. Um, Joe, what are what are

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<v Speaker 1>you gigging out about? This week? The thing I've been

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<v Speaker 1>gigging out about a lot is Central Park, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a new show on Apple TV. It's a cheating show

0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.000
<v Speaker 1>by the guy who created Bob's Burgers. It's a musical.

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<v Speaker 1>It's set in Central Park. It's produced by Josh Gad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a perfect show. It's not the best show

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever seen, but damn is it lighthearted and funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn is it cute as hell? Um, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of your favorite Broadway stars. Uh, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>so the lightful. And now they're recast Christen Bell as

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<v Speaker 1>the half black, half lay girl. I'm really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when season two is coming, but the

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<v Speaker 1>songs do slap and um. If you just need to

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<v Speaker 1>take your mind off of the hot garbage that is

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<v Speaker 1>the world, you can pop that in and just forget.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so lovely. Love it. Mine is also an

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<v Speaker 1>animated show, and it's I watched the second season of

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<v Speaker 1>Harley Quinn and let me tell you, Harley Quinn, as

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<v Speaker 1>someone who actively works in television, is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best shows comedically, has some of the best comedic writing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to be a comedy writer, watch this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is better than a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>live action crap that gets put out. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I say that because I do not think that she

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<v Speaker 1>gets the recognition. I don't think that the writers on

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<v Speaker 1>this show, the characters what they're doing in the social

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<v Speaker 1>commentary they're making well also just being badass and kicking

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<v Speaker 1>but like just you know, dicking around all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that she's allowed to do. Um. I don't think enough

0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.600
<v Speaker 1>people are talking about this show. So I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>this convinces you to be like, Okay, I'm finally gonna

0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.199
<v Speaker 1>sit down. I'm gonna watch this show because it is

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<v Speaker 1>such great writing. I think it's tough because DC Universe

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<v Speaker 1>is such like an extent, like not everybody's. It's such

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<v Speaker 1>a niche streaming service to have. But like I got

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<v Speaker 1>to I haven't seen season two yet because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have DCU but I have so I have sci Fi

0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.560
<v Speaker 1>through Sling, and they aired season one on the sci

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<v Speaker 1>Fi Channel and you can watch that least off and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how recent it was, but at least

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<v Speaker 1>in in May you could watch season one on demand

0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.960
<v Speaker 1>on sci Fi on Demand. So really, I'll send you

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<v Speaker 1>my pass sword and stuff so you can watch season

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<v Speaker 1>two because it season one. I really will. I am

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<v Speaker 1>a lifelong Harley an Ivy shipper, and so I know

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<v Speaker 1>what happens season two, and I'm like obsessed with needing

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<v Speaker 1>to see it because like season one, I even liked

0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.960
<v Speaker 1>their last ship as friends because it gave me that

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<v Speaker 1>like Daria and Jane vibe that I have, like that

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<v Speaker 1>I needed, but like knowing where it went in season two,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to see it because I have that's my

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<v Speaker 1>O t P. Like I have shipped this. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>their first pair up on the Batman animated series, before

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<v Speaker 1>I understood that I was queer or what being queer

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<v Speaker 1>was or was, I was like, these two should be girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that means, but I want this

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. Then, hanging out at the mall and kidnapping

0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Batman is such an iconic episode for me personally. They

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<v Speaker 1>are the first fan fiction I got into, and my

0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.400
<v Speaker 1>my lesbian roommates were like, how are you not reading

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<v Speaker 1>all of their fan fiction? Like is that a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that exists? Like yes, and their cannon then and we

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<v Speaker 1>were together solely together when Um the comic book came out,

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<v Speaker 1>where they were like finally canonized and just absolutely the best.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's been such a long journey I think for

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<v Speaker 1>especially for like queer Harley stands of a certain age,

0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.080
<v Speaker 1>like that's sort of been are like the our entire

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<v Speaker 1>journey through fandom and queer canonized relationship sort of is

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<v Speaker 1>embodied in those two and the show got it right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still worried after season one. I'm like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>we doing? And now it's it's confirmed, and it's beautiful

0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and feels authentic. It's so good. Yeah. I interviewed Marguerite

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<v Speaker 1>Benett a couple of years ago, who was the first

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<v Speaker 1>one to make them a couple in the comics, in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bombshells comics, and I remember asking her what it

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<v Speaker 1>was like to finally take the ship and make it cannon,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said that it was such a prevalent ship

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<v Speaker 1>that she didn't even realize that when she did it,

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<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't already cannon because it was so prevalent

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<v Speaker 1>in the fandom of these two were a rankic pair

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<v Speaker 1>that she didn't realize that it was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>it actually kissed in the in the panel, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's adorable. Yeah. Um. Speaking of another animated

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<v Speaker 1>currently animated, see you look at these look at these

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<v Speaker 1>transitions leading lady a Sokatano. I want to know when

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<v Speaker 1>both of you first saw her, What was your first memory?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take that one really. Um, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I have an actual pinpoint, Like I I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't immediately get into Clone Wars like a lot of

0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.320
<v Speaker 1>people did when it first came on. Um, like the

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<v Speaker 1>now this is the Feloni Clone Jock the original Clone

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<v Speaker 1>Wars where she's not involved in, but she the the

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<v Speaker 1>Getty Tarkovski Clone Wars. But UM, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>actually weirdly. I remember a friend of mine was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about his daughter dressing as a Sokatano for Halloween, and

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody was like kind of like what do you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, it's it's Anakin's padawan from the Clone Wars,

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<v Speaker 1>And like they're like, wouldn't obscure character, But it's like no,

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<v Speaker 1>not for a kid who's watching Clone Wars and into

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<v Speaker 1>it and remember being like, oh, I want to know

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<v Speaker 1>who this character is. That like young girls watching Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars like are relating to and dressing up as a costumes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of how I became aware of her as

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<v Speaker 1>a character. Uh yeah, I caught onto her in Clone Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a first night to Nomie. Waw was like

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<v Speaker 1>what like semi anime, but kind of this new three

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<v Speaker 1>D style I'm in and um. I was thirteen when

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<v Speaker 1>the show came out, so I was very much vibing

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<v Speaker 1>with it. I was like, oh my god, look at

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<v Speaker 1>this cool girl. And then sort of as Asoka grew, specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>her fight style got gets a lot stronger. The further

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<v Speaker 1>the show progressive, I just became more and more obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea that not only could a woman be

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<v Speaker 1>a Jedi, but she could she could take two of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest Jedis ever to task frequently and when it

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<v Speaker 1>was just incredible. So she's leading armies at thirteen, like

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<v Speaker 1>as a solo kid who was doing like a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of extracurriculars and just like trying to embody the badass

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<v Speaker 1>woman I was seeing on TV Like Asoka was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>an early inspiration. Yeah. So when, as you all said,

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<v Speaker 1>when Asokatano burst on the scene as Anakin Skywalker's padawan

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<v Speaker 1>and the Star Wars animated series Clone Wars, she became

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<v Speaker 1>the first female Jedi lead lead in the canonical saga

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<v Speaker 1>and became an icon for millions over the world. She's

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<v Speaker 1>known by her nickname Snipped her precocious attitude, firm belief injuice,

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<v Speaker 1>and love for adventure made her a worthy student of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most powerful force users in known history.

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<v Speaker 1>But she isn't just a student. Her destiny was to

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<v Speaker 1>be incredible force wielder. So I'm sure most people have

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<v Speaker 1>seen her. But in case they haven't and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you talking about? Um, Joel, can you explain

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<v Speaker 1>like her look to people, because it's very iconic. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So Katana is a hug Ruda. Is I think hug Ruda? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>She's got these big blue eyes. She has white lake

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<v Speaker 1>who and Montreal's which are these blue and white stripes.

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<v Speaker 1>They look sort of like pigtails, but they're not. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not like Surry or Harry. They're sort of like an

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<v Speaker 1>extension of her skull essentially, but they're soft. Um and

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<v Speaker 1>as she grows, like the stripes on them get wider

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<v Speaker 1>and longer. She's slender, like mostly eyes and just like

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<v Speaker 1>a boxy, short fighter. Like if you've seen like some

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest fighters, they tend to have like a

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<v Speaker 1>very low to the ground center of gravity and they

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<v Speaker 1>get those punch is out real quick. That's think tumbler. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she has orange skin, and she also has these like

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<v Speaker 1>white lines on her skin that are almost like work paint,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she has like different like designs to those. And

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<v Speaker 1>when they first brought her out, she I, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a huge fan of her original costume when they when

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<v Speaker 1>she was like little, because it's like a tube top

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<v Speaker 1>and like a short skirt um and then like your

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<v Speaker 1>mom dropped off it for every twenty one and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you came out with when you were twelve. As

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<v Speaker 1>as she matured and as the show mature about about

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<v Speaker 1>in season three, they kind of did like a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a time jump to show the progression of time

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<v Speaker 1>during the Clone War, and she got this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>newer costume where it's more of a full full on

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<v Speaker 1>dress like cut like short dress with a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a boob window. But then she has like leggings

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<v Speaker 1>with these diamonds on them. And then, uh, she also

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<v Speaker 1>has a later costume like just those multiple costumes as

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<v Speaker 1>the Clone Wars came back and also as she appeared

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<v Speaker 1>on the TV series Rebels as well, and she's much

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<v Speaker 1>older and Rebels, but um, yeah, so that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>her basic look is as kind of like like very

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<v Speaker 1>like fitted almost like workout closed Like she's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>very like utilitarian, like there's like it's like like belts

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff and places to hold her lightsabers and like

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<v Speaker 1>she does occasionally wear the Jedi robes, but never never

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<v Speaker 1>like the full on like white on brown like like

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<v Speaker 1>top like like you might see an Anakin or Obi

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<v Speaker 1>Wan wearing or even Yoda. She kind of has her

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<v Speaker 1>own like it's almost like it's almost like breaking like

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<v Speaker 1>workout gear or like like that kind of millet like

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<v Speaker 1>form fitting like that kind of combat gear. Talking more

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<v Speaker 1>about her combat gear, she also has. She has dual

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<v Speaker 1>blades and holds her lightsaber blade down rather than the

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<v Speaker 1>more traditional blade up. Can you do you all know?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know. Like the significance is that

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<v Speaker 1>just her fighting style that she's typically shown as. Yeah,

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:53.159
<v Speaker 1>her fighting style favors more like deflecting blaster bolts than

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<v Speaker 1>it is like pure on combat, like she is a

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<v Speaker 1>very skilled lightsaber dualist like as she gets older especially,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, like she has originally she only has one lightsaber,

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.840
<v Speaker 1>then she gets a second one, uh, and then she

0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.399
<v Speaker 1>loses both of those and then replaces them with new ones,

0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 1>but um as as time passes on and the Clone

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<v Speaker 1>Wars and and stuff like that. But her original blades

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<v Speaker 1>are a green and kind of a yellowish green one.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when she comes back in Clone Wars, Anakin

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<v Speaker 1>gives her new ones that are blue that are like

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<v Speaker 1>her same her same hilts, but with a blue blade.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in the novel, which takes place a year

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<v Speaker 1>after Order sixty six, it's actually a really cool story

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<v Speaker 1>behind how she gets her lightsaber her new lightsabers is

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<v Speaker 1>that she's basically as the As the novel goes on,

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<v Speaker 1>she keeps collecting all this scrap metal and eventually she

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<v Speaker 1>realized that she's been slowly subconsciously building her own new lightsabers.

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<v Speaker 1>But then she needs the crystals, and she tries to

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<v Speaker 1>go to get the crystals, but the planet that they

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<v Speaker 1>normally got the crystals from, it's like a whole arc

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<v Speaker 1>about them in the Clone Wars, is now being mined

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<v Speaker 1>by the Empire for the crystals to use in the

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<v Speaker 1>Death Star. So then she like re is out to

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<v Speaker 1>the force for the crystals that are calling to her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she hears them in the sabers of this Sif

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<v Speaker 1>inquisitor who is like chasing after her, and she goes

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<v Speaker 1>and she defeats him in a duel and takes his

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<v Speaker 1>his crystals and puts them in her sabers and they

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<v Speaker 1>Basically there's a cannon now in newer Star Wars cannon

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<v Speaker 1>where the reason why CIF lightsaber blades are red is

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<v Speaker 1>because of the the Sith user is corrupting the blade

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like literally bleeding the energy out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why it turns red. So then when Ahsoka

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>puts them back in her sabers and and ignites them,

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.159
<v Speaker 1>she's purifying those red blades, and so now they burn white.

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.000
<v Speaker 1>So she has these dual white lightsabers, which is also

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be symbolic of the fact that she is

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<v Speaker 1>unaffiliated because at the time when this happened, she's no

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.199
<v Speaker 1>longer a Jedi um. But so she's not she's not

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a great Jedi. She is still a light light side

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Force user, but she's like her own ronan kind of character,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they may her blades white to symbolize that.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to E. K. Jemison for writing one of

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<v Speaker 1>the sickest books in the Star Wars novel Bannon. If

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<v Speaker 1>You I'm I Love the Star Wars novels uh leya

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Princess of Aldern is another like really great one. Of course,

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>all the Throng books are excellent, but this one hell's

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<v Speaker 1>a really special place in my heart, um because it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the first time, I mean, for Clone Wars

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<v Speaker 1>fans um you see Ahsoka travel through all these like

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<v Speaker 1>really tight battles and then right at the end, the

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Jedi doubt her and she ends up leaving the Jedi. Um.

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.199
<v Speaker 1>They don't trust her word. I don't want to, I

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<v Speaker 1>won't spoil it in case you want to get into

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 1>the series, but they don't trust her word, and she

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:43.200
<v Speaker 1>winds up leaving, leaving Anakin. She's starting to sense that

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>he's turning, but she can't believe that it's happening, and

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 1>she can't quite put words to it, but she knows

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>she needs to get out, and she does. But we're

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:54.119
<v Speaker 1>left with this like very like Cowboy Western walk away

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>where she just walks off into the sunset, Anakin's left

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.679
<v Speaker 1>stay anything there, and you're like, but what happens to

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.880
<v Speaker 1>our girl? And if you were watching that in real time,

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:02.919
<v Speaker 1>it's about ten years before you get any kind of

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>news update on Soca and what happened to it is

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the most maddening. It was so fresh, and I was like,

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 1>I need to know what happens to wards. When this

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>book came out, it was like, it was really wonderful

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 1>to see where she went. If you caught up with

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the Clone Wars Season seven that just released on Disney Plus,

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>you get like they pick up little snippets of it. Um,

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that's right after she leaves it. They picked up the

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 1>story almost immediately. So it's interesting you have like both

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>right after a year later and then I want to say,

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>like fifteen years later with Rebels as far as her

0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>storyline goes. So, like I said, there's a lot to cover. Yeah,

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the novel is set exactly one year after the Empire

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 1>takes over, and then Rebels is stead I think five

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>years before the beginning of a New Hope when he

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.400
<v Speaker 1>was nineteen years later, So yeah, it's about fourteen years.

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I can't imagine anyone trying to tell y'all

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:56.199
<v Speaker 1>anything about Star Wars. Like when I Riley, when I

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>was listening to you just rattle off everything that you

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 1>know about even her Lightsabers. I was just like, I

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine a single person typing anything to you ever,

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh they have, I I wrote, So, I recently wrote

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>a video on YouTube that is like my thesis on

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>why I think Asoka is the greatest Jedi of all time.

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Least I saw that it was for fandom, right, we

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna will include that in the show notes so

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>people can watch it. Awesome, Yeah, it was for fandom.

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.679
<v Speaker 1>It was part of their like ways of like finding

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 1>things to put out when the quarantine started happening. Um,

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>it was like of a certain point of view, and

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 1>it's it's my my argument that I think Asoka stands

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 1>for what is the best of the Jedi and so,

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 1>like the title was very click baity, like why Aska

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>is the best Jedi of all time? Which is which

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>is like that's a title, it's a headline. The amount

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of people who responded to it going a Soca is

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.719
<v Speaker 1>no Jedi because there's one line in I Am no Jedi,

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, it's in the video. I addressed it.

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>It's it's in there, it's part of it. Like, but

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.360
<v Speaker 1>then they have to actually watch and read and they're

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>not doing that. Frustrating, so frustrating because I would agree

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>with you that despite the fact that she's not part

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>of the Jedi Order. She is a Jedi. We see

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>uphold the principles of the Jedi Order to the most

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean mostically one can be. As a close second,

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, also, like it's in the history

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of when we look at all the marvel In DC superheroes,

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they've always all of them have said like

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a hero, and it's like you are, though,

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 1>like everybody considers you a hero. So you know that's

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like just that's just good writing. We have to take

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a really quick break, but then we're going to hop

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>more into some of her best battles right after this

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 1>and we are back. Um So, Riley, what were some

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 1>of your main points I guess in the video that

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you did for fandom. The big thing about it was like,

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>like Joel mentioned them a moment ago a Soca leaves

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>the Jedi Order because they let her down at the

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 1>end of Clone Wars, and the thing is Clone Wars

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 1>as an entire series really does like underscore how the

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Jedi have failed to look up to their own promise

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>leading up through Revenge of the Sith. And so my

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>video was basically that through her actions and through like

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>her determination to like be a part of the universe

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and to try to like make the universe better, a

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Soca upholds the ideals of being a Jedi better than

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the actual Jedi do at that point, and that for her, like,

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>I actually think that part of what like the Jedi

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.360
<v Speaker 1>always teach this doctrine of non attachment, which I could

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>do a whole other episode on how I think that's

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 1>completely flawed and how the best Jedi in Star Wars

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>stories are very attached to people, um, but I think

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that like one thing the Jedi are too attached to

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>is the idea of the Jedi, the name we are

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the Jedi. We stand for this to where they're not

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>actually living up to their own ideals anymore because they're

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 1>too attached to their organization and their name, whereas a

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Soca then steps outside eight of that and instead just

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 1>lives the life of what a Jedi should be. And

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>that's why my argument is that she's a better Jedi

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>than all the because even Obi Wan and I say

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.959
<v Speaker 1>this in the video, Obi Wan, Yoda, and Luke, who

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>were like three of like what we're told are the

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>best Jedi in Star Wars, all three of them. When

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>they make these great failures, they go hide away and

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they don't try to like fix things. Like Asca literally

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>helps start the Rebel Alliance. She becomes the intelligence officer

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Rebel Alliance, and like she were, actively works

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to fight against the Empire, and she actively works to

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>continue to make the universe better. And we're going to

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>include even more of that. I still can't imagine people

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>arguing with you about this, but I can't. I can.

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I probably I probably Joe, and I probably slightly mispronounced

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the name of her race earlier, and that's what we're

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>going to get a thing on her or I know,

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>don't paint well enough. Fans better not you know how

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying about Asoka too, is that

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>not only is she a major fee male character, but

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>she's really one of the first major alien characters besides

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Yoda that we get like as like a lead character

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>in so much of Star Wars is humans or maybe

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Troy's and so to have like an alien character, it's

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>like really fun to wash. Yeah. I was also going

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to say not to make this uh spiritual or political

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>or anything, but that's how you know, often the Jedi

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>gets compared to Christianity or whatever. There's so many conversations

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>about religion and like, you're so right about it being

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the title versus like what it actually means, which I

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>could do a whole thesis on as somebody that went

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>to Catholic school for multiple years. It's really funny whenever

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>people come at me and I'm like, I had to

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>study the Bible, Like my mom says rosaries every day.

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>You understand how long it takes to do a rosary.

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Trust me, I am very familiar with the religion of

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>my people. Um anyways, which I could critique for hours

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>on end. Uh So her her her battles, I'm really

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>fascinated to what I know. We kind of happed in

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.479
<v Speaker 1>on that, But what to you would you recommend if

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>people were like trying to look up Some of her

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>best fight scenes are the ones that I love the most.

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I got to for me that like, once you've gotten

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>into them. That the two best fight scenes for her

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 1>are in the four part finale series of the Clone Wars.

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>She has a life favorite battle with Darth Maul that

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is one of the absolute best light favor battles in

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the history of Star Wars, and then The other one

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>that is amazing is in there's a two part Rebels

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>season two finale called Twilight of the Apprentice, and she

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>has a life favor of battle with with Darth Vader

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Slash Anakin that is emotionally and just visually just amazing.

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's that's actually where her iconic I Am no

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Jedi lion comes from. And also want to point out

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>that immediately after he says I Am no Jedi, she

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>then acts with compassion and trying to save someone from

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>themselves like a good Jedi would do. So Yeah, that

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 1>line has said so much out of um hurt and

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>frustration and betrayal and fear of what's about to happen,

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>almost more than than her actual relationship to the Jedi. Uh.

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>My favorite moments. You pick such great battles. I'm gonna

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>pick some great emotional moments. Um, I really enjoy Uh.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Fans of this show have probably heard me talk much

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>about the trilogy of Mortists. It is maybe my favorite

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>thing about Star Wars. Ever, it is the entirety of

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the Star Wars cannon distill in the three perfect episodes

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>from Clone Wars. It is an amazing analysis of what

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.719
<v Speaker 1>is it to be light and dark and balanced quotal

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 1>quote and not picking aside, letting craziness reign. Uh. It's

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>so good. In that series, Ahsoka has to struggle against

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the dark, literally the dark side, the force of it,

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>not an individual um. When she's consumed by it, she's

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>risen like Jesus. And for me, this place is Asoka

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>very much at the center of the story. And it's

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the things I love most about Asoka is

0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>because we don't have her entire history. She's a flexible character.

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>We don't know how she impacted everyone. We don't know

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone who she's interacted with, but we do know that

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>she's stringically tied to Um Anakin Skywalker, and we know

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Anakin Skywalker basically hangs in the full crumb of balance.

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I think she is his alternate. People try to say

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>that it's only one. That can't be he's his like

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>brother figure. Can't be Yoda, that's like his grandfather big here.

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>It can't be his son that's his actual son. There

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>isn't like an actual balance there. But it could be

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a Soca, the person he taught, this person who mastered

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>what he taught before he could um. And I think

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>you get a lot of set up there that I'm

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>really hoping is sort of um pushed further in future series.

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm also a big fan uh Luminar and Dali has

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.479
<v Speaker 1>a Padawan. Luminar and Vali before Aska was my favorite

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>female Jedi. She hung on the background, she looks super cool.

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>She was played by a black woman. I was like,

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm here for it. Her Padawan and Asoka have two

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 1>major Canada adventures. I can't recall the episode numbers right now.

0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll drop them in the show notes so that I

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>can check it out. But their relationship and they're sort

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of confrontation of what it means to be a Jedi

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and what the Jedi Order stands for really turned me

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 1>onto what it is to be a great Jedi, what

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it is to be a force whielder, And those are

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the characters I really love. If you've seen the Rebels,

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Ben do with a Force whielder, He's one of my

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>favorite characters of all time. I love these characters who

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 1>are like, I'm not going to follow the rules, but

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I still want to be a good person, um where

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to take down this institution that no longer

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>supports us. I think those are sort of vital conversations

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that started in the comic books and the animated shows

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 1>that are slowly inking their way into the movies, and

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>those can being my favorite parts of Star Wars. If

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about emotional arcs not just battles, I

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>think that two of the big ones are also there's arc.

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 1>It's also the introduction of Sage Era to the Star Wars,

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's the Oneran Rebellion arc. So you get a

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>very young Sagarrera very not force whiteker Sa but when

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 1>he sa with normal breaths, but uh, it is it

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>is the early building blocks of when Ahsoka like starts

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>to you can you can see where she becomes someone

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>who would be a founding member of the rebel alliance.

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Like you can see basically the the Onderon like the

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 1>like the the Separatists are kind of doing like a

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>proxy takeover of Onderan, and the Jedi cannot get involved

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>because of treaties and stuff like that, but they leave

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Aska there to train these local rebels, these like insurgents

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to fight against this like takeover, and they're like they're like,

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>you can't get involved, you can't get involved, you can

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>only train them. But like as they get more and

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>more deep into it, like she's on her own there

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and she's just like I can't just sit back and

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 1>watch these people fight and die and not help them.

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 1>And she gets involved in the battle and she like

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>jumps in and helps them out, and it's really important

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.279
<v Speaker 1>like moment for her. And then there's also this art

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I think that the the arc that has her leave

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the Jedi without ailing too much, as this Jedi Temple

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 1>bombing arc, that is a fantastic arc as well. And

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.840
<v Speaker 1>but I think another really good one is there's a

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a There's a Believe it's a two part story

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>where she gets captured and you find out there's like

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 1>this planet where these bounty hunters are essentially hunting young

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Jedi padawan and they've been separated from their masters, some

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>of them for years, and they're like stranded there and

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>unable to fend for themselves, and Asoka essentially steps up

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and helps them learn how to fight back and like

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>free themselves of this capture. And honestly, to this day,

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm angry that that episode does not end with Asoka

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>becoming a Jedi Knight, because like, if there's anything that

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>can be considered her trials to be a knight. She

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>never gets made a knight in the series, Like she

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>she goes through multiple trials that like would should be

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>considered a trial to become a Jedi Knight, but they

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>never actually give her knighthood, like she's still typically a

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 1>pad of one. When she leaves the Order, it's offered

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:03.919
<v Speaker 1>to her as a like an apology, almost like, oh, oh,

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>now we see this was your path all And it's

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>so I think badass, because I feel like when people

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>can't um acknowledge you until after they've made horrendous mistakes,

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>not one, but many, it's time to walk away, and

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's sort of it's so offensive how that title

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>has offered her after she's been literally a general in

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the war, to the point where in the season seven

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>she winds up getting her own battalion, Like it's crazy,

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>how much, uh the Jedi Order overlooked her. But I

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>think also fits with what we know about the Jedi

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Order and who's sort of been lifted up as the

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:44.919
<v Speaker 1>Jedi heroes are Cannon. I love that. I love that commentary.

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I love that there's a real there's a real shade

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>throwing moment in the last arc of Clone Wars where

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>she's talking to Mace Window and she's like it's like

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>they're they're still talking to her, like, oh, welcome back

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>to the Jedi, and she's like, don here as a citizen.

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 1>And then when like something happens that like a noise him,

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>he goes, this is not for you, citizen, and he's

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>just like so shady, and it's like so weird to

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 1>hear Window, like it all testy like that, but it

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>works so well. Um, we're gonna take another quick break

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and then we're going to actually talk about the future

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of a Soca right after this and we are back. Okay,

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>So I want to know about tell the listeners about Fulcrum,

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>like what we need to know? Do you want to

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.439
<v Speaker 1>start with this one? Yeah? I can, Okay. So Star

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Wars Rebels, which is the second animate technically the third,

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>but the second Cannonites animated series Um features a young

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Ezra Richer. It's after Order sixty six. Uh. He is

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>basically I call him Star Wars Aladdin because that's essentially

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.359
<v Speaker 1>what he is. He's like a street rag. He can't play.

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>His parents are political prisoners. He gets picked up by

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>a Jedi and his like small flight crew and taking

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>on adventures. And as their adventuring, they start getting all

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 1>of these great like little messages and hints about like

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>where to go, like uncovered prisoners here, this planet is

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.839
<v Speaker 1>being um subjugated by the Empire. Go look into that

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>from this person named Fulcrum, this mysterious voice from beyond. Uh.

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 1>And then at the end of season one is revealed

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>to be a Soca, And I cried because that is

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the first recurring role. That's the first time we see

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>a Soca. After she leaves Um, so basically, Uh, we

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 1>know a little bit from her book. Asca goes off

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to other planets, she makes her own lightsaber, she's doing

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 1>her little warrior thing, and then she sort of starts

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>coming into Phoenix Squadron. And the idea of it is

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>like before there is a rebel army, there's Phoenix Squadron.

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a bunch of despit people who are like, we're

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>not going to stand for this tyranny, and they start

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>speaking up for themselves. It's great because she's a general

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and she knows how to fight. She also understands the

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.879
<v Speaker 1>Empire and their actions and where they're going, and she

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>becomes basically an undercover agent mercenary if you will. She

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>fights here and they're mostly she's organizing and informing using

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.280
<v Speaker 1>her spy skills. And there's am in the book where

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>she because like bail Organa when he's like putting the

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Rebel Alliance together, like finds her and like recruits her,

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and like he's asking her like what she wants to do,

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>and she like she basically says, like, Hey, all these

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>things happened in in this time period because no one

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>was putting it all together and contacting each other and

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 1>like organizing it. So I want to be the one

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to do that for you. And that's when she becomes

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the fulcrum of the organization, so she said, she essentially

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 1>becomes the head of intelligence for the Rebel Alliance. And

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>actually they have talked about how in the upcoming Cassian

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Indoor Disney Plus series that they're working on, like they're

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>they're basically, uh, I think that they've they've already said

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that Cassie is essentially going to be kind of slightly

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>reckoned into having been a fulcrum agent. That's what he's

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 1>doing in Rogue one, is he's working as a Fulcrum

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>agent and yeah, So basically because in Rebels, like the

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>first folk Rum we meet is is Ahsoka, like she's

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>revealed the be Asoca, but then other people over the

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.240
<v Speaker 1>course of the series is then start referring to themselves

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 1>as stroke like another character becomes the next folk Rum,

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and so it's basically just like a handle for a spy,

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>which makes her like a very interesting character, highly valuable.

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>He would suspect to the empire um one of the

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 1>few people who retains the knowledge of the Jedi. We

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 1>see that as that religion and forces sort of stomped

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.439
<v Speaker 1>out rather quickly if you take a look at Rogue one,

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 1>she's one of the few people who retains that knowledge,

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>isn't able to um dispense it to people, and you

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 1>have to start wondering, like what has Asoka been up to,

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 1>like and like where does her story end? Is? We

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know. We don't know whenn Asoka dies, Like, so

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>there's all the open ended like theory of like maybe

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>was she ever talking to Luke. We know she talked

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>to Leia. We've got lots of stories with her and

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Leah because she was working with bail Organa. That's who

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>adopts Leia um, I'm so excited to see what she's doing.

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I imagine, much like her teachers before her, that she

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>if she dies, she's dying on the battle few Old.

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't see her ever like taking up a partner

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and leaving a peaceful life. I think she's about this

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.839
<v Speaker 1>war and being in the streets until it's resolved. I

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know the average lifespan of for people, but I

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.879
<v Speaker 1>think it's longer than a human life, so we could

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>have her around quite some time. Yeah, and there is

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>uh Filoni has said this does not mean that she

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.720
<v Speaker 1>is dead, but her voice is one of the voices

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that Ray hears call out to her on excoll when

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 1>she reaches out to the Force. And it's really interesting

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 1>because as a character who has said that she is

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 1>not a Jedi, she is she is voicing herself as

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the one of the Jedi, like when she's

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>one of the Jedi who reaches out to Ray on

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Exit Goll. So there is definitely an implication that perhaps

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in between the end of Rebels and when Rise

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the Skywalker happens, she has become a new Jedi herself,

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>or she has kind of re embraced her Jedi nature. Well,

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.919
<v Speaker 1>there's a tip off to that in Rebels. She goes

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.280
<v Speaker 1>into a Jedi temple um with Ezra and his master

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>and they're sort of like meditating, and if you know

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.720
<v Speaker 1>anything about the town poles, like sometimes they just reveal

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that there are like three stories beneath it with other

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.919
<v Speaker 1>additional information. Uh, people can come to you and sort

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of talk to you. Yoda contacts her. It's brief, it's

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 1>a second. She's in doubt, she doesn't feel like she

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 1>should be there, but she's like, I'll just I meditate

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 1>what you guys, go do your thing. And then Yoda

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>appears to her and it's sort of this like que

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 1>signal of like there's still there's still more for you

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to do within the Jedi order. And I love that

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you said like you mentioned that because it totally got

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.720
<v Speaker 1>me thinking, well, we know Yoda can project when he's alive.

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>We know that he can just send his voice out

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>to individuals. So did she reach a Yoda level of

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>like you know, status that she become like a grandmaster

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 1>almost of the Jedi teachings, that would be that time,

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, And then also without spoiling too much, there

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 1>is a weird thing that happens with her with the

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>timeline at the end of Rebels, but the last shot

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.879
<v Speaker 1>we see of her on Rebels is set that there's

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>like Rebels has this short epilogu that is set after

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the Battle of Endor, and it's kind of like telling

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you what's happened, like what the what the characters that

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you can follow have been up to since the course

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 1>of the original trilogy basically, And she meets up with

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>one of the other characters and they are heading off

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 1>into like the like beyond the outer rim and parts

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>back into that bright light very like Cowboy off into

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the sunset. But she has on a white robe and

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>she also has an owl, which going back to the

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Mortist arc that I was talking about earlier, there's and

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 1>she also has used the name Oshla as her like

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 1>nickname and like as like an alias. And Oshla is

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 1>actually like a term in Star Wars to mean the

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 1>light side of the forest, like it's the lights, it's

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the So it's it's interesting that like there's like this

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>there's this implication and like some fan theories that a Soca,

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe because of what happened on Mortis, has somehow become

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>like almost like an emissary for the Light Side of

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the Forest. You guys, if you have not watched the

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>trilogy of Mortis, there's never a wrong time to start that,

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.839
<v Speaker 1>you really know, Like, you don't have to watch any

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 1>of the other Clone Wars, the Great Clone ward Is.

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Almost all their episodes come in threes, so if you

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>just pick up at the start of a trilogy, you

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 1>can watch an hour and a half of like consolidated

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 1>storyline and not feel lost. It's that's the only kind

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>of linear storytelling they do. And yeah, it's just that's

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>the sculpture on the door. That's the Star Wars tattoo.

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I wa is the father, the son, and the daughter,

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>like it's Mortis is everything to me, and the things

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that happened to us Oka there, I really do think

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:41.399
<v Speaker 1>will inform her storyline going forward. Yeah, we know she's

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna we we we've almost all but confirmed that she's

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna be on The Mandalorian season two. And then there's

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>also been talk of this mysterious secret other Dave Feloni

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>animated project that is possibly like a third to follow

0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Clone Wars and Rebels, because there is a there's a

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Resistance series, but Resistance is more of a kids like

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a smaller theme. And that's right, that's

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I think, and I think it ended this

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>year are Ya. But that's the one that I haven't

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>watched because I've heard it's it's targeting way younger than me,

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and I haven't had an interest in it. But um,

0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Rebels and well, Rebels and Clone Wars are so interesting because,

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 1>like you said, a second ago like Clone Wars is

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 1>all these like almost like loosely connected cereals and like

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.919
<v Speaker 1>you have, there's no like main character to Clone Wars.

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>There are some episodes that are about and again, some

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that are about Asoka, some that are about some of

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the Clones, some that aresodes pad May gets an amazing

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 1>political intrigue arc that is the person in this series,

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. But then Rebels is a much more

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 1>closely contained ensemble drama of like this one group of

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Rebels like going, it's like a five season arc with

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:53.319
<v Speaker 1>these same close characters. As is very much the lead

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 1>of the show, like You've got You've got you know

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Canan As like You're you're kind of more like mentor

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>type character. You've got Harrison Doula as your amazing pilot,

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 1>so like there's a whole crew that you followed the

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 1>whole time, so it's a little bit more of a

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 1>linear arc. And then so we don't know what this

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 1>next one is going to be. There's like talk that

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 1>like the new series might be focused on Sabine and

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Ahsoka and whatever they were doing off in the wilderness.

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>So like, you know, I'm I'm excited to see Ahska

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>have an appearance on Mandalorian. I'm like, I was really

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 1>excited that she had a voice in Rise of Skywalker

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.840
<v Speaker 1>because I do like this like establishment of firmly putting

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>her in actual Star Wars canon. But I also, for me,

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>like Asca will always be an animated series character, and

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that's not like I say that in that I don't

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>think that lessens her anyway, And I don't like this

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 1>idea that she has to be played in live action

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 1>to give her some sort of legitimacy. I think that

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the the animated series of Star Wars, Clone Wars and

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Rebels are some of the best Star Wars selling storytelling

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 1>that's out there. And so for me, yeah, and so

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I just I love that Asoka has always started to

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 1>get this following, and there's like more mainstream popularity. She's

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 1>still a very niche character than the Star Wars fan.

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people don't know she exists, don't know

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>who she is, but we're really starting to get somewhere

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 1>with her. Like this year, Disney put out a Soca

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Mickey Mouse ears on Star Wars Day and they sold

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 1>out within seconds, Like people I I had people who

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>were in the waiting room on the Disney website trying

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to buy those ears for like three hours and they

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 1>were already sold out, like within seconds of them being launched.

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I would say yeah. As someone that grew

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>up with the with live action Star Wars, I've never

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>actually sat down and watched any of their animated series.

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think it was because it felt like something

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 1>which I think a lot of people say about anime

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>is when it starts getting going, you almost get overwhelmed

0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that everyone is just like, you know, there's so much

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:49.919
<v Speaker 1>to cover, but like y'all are saying, it's worth it

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 1>um to go back and watch. Especially, I think because

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.240
<v Speaker 1>she is I hope continues to be a huge character,

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 1>gets more recognition, more representation on a lot of these shows,

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 1>and I've been seeing like video like yours, Riley, but

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the other ones too of people like, really, this is

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:12.360
<v Speaker 1>like their favorite Star Wars character. And so I think

0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 1>for even Star Wars fans that have consumed all of

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars media and like me who have only watched

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.799
<v Speaker 1>live action, um to come back and say this is

0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the character I resonate with the most is huge, And

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying, they're really doing a good job for

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>people to resonate in such a way that this character

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>has impacted them. Yeah, I think she just really personifies

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the the tragedy and the inevitable inevitability of what's happening

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>in the Clone Wars series. I think there's like this

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 1>over there's this overall arc to that show of like

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:54.279
<v Speaker 1>inevitable loss because you know what's going to happen, Like

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that show exists in between Attack of the Clothes Revenge

0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 1>of the Stiff, and you know, you know where it's

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 1>going to end, and so there's just this like noble

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>but faded too to fail vibe to it. And I

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.279
<v Speaker 1>think that, like, it's so fascinating that she actually did

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 1>survive that series and go on, because I think a

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of people and that show began just assume that

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>she was going to die before it was over because

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't exist in Rention the Sithe, and so it's like, well,

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 1>where is this character and why isn't she there? So

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they actually found a way to explain

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.680
<v Speaker 1>how she survives that narrative, why she's not like a

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:35.600
<v Speaker 1>prevalent member of other Star Wars narratives that existed, but

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 1>then also be able to like turn her into this

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.399
<v Speaker 1>character of like hope and prevailing goodness in the galaxy because,

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 1>like I pushed back on the definition of her as

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 1>a great Jedi, I think she is very very much

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>a Jedi, and she's a light Jedi, and like I,

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she's neutral look gray at all. I

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:54.720
<v Speaker 1>think she's very like focused on the life sent be force,

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 1>and like I think that she is an example of

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 1>how within Star Wars you can still be true to

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 1>the George Lucas dichotomy of good and evil in this

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of like exaggerated way that Star Wars allows it

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.759
<v Speaker 1>to exist while still having a character that is full

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 1>of nuance and character depth and energy. And that is

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I think why I connect with her so much, because

0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 1>she's just this great example of how the Chips can

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>continually get stacked against you, and you still can be

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:26.799
<v Speaker 1>hopeful and like fight against like what you know is

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 1>wrong in the universe. I actually, really you've definitely changed

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.440
<v Speaker 1>my mind on that because I would have previously described

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.799
<v Speaker 1>her as a great Jedi, but I think she's probably

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 1>more Jedi than the Jedi organization as it is, especially

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>when she leaves and so so Yeah, even though even

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>though she has a character that turned me onto like

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 1>what is a good great Jedi? And who are these

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.759
<v Speaker 1>people who are are sort of calling out uh their

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 1>culture as it is, she's kind of upholding those tenants

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:55.239
<v Speaker 1>and we evolves beyond that, and I'm so enthralled with

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.720
<v Speaker 1>not just her as a character, but like it's somebody

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.800
<v Speaker 1>who really values in a pre Shades like mentormentee relationships

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and this idea of like who do you trust with

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 1>your future and how long do you trust that? And

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:09.640
<v Speaker 1>then what does it mean to then turn around and

0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 1>become a mentor at yourself? Like these are all sort

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.479
<v Speaker 1>of questions that she's grappling with. And I think it's

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 1>so interesting how they ended the Colne War series. I

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 1>have a theory that Anakin now Darth Vader's new lightsaber

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 1>because we know he loses this because Luke has it. Later,

0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 1>uh is Asoka's old lightsaber that's just been remodeled. He

0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.360
<v Speaker 1>finds it in the space where he believes she has died.

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.799
<v Speaker 1>It's the one thing he holds onto from his past life.

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.320
<v Speaker 1>He lets everything go, but he homes onto a soga

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and then rebels really dives into that. It is such

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.240
<v Speaker 1>a juicy and delicious relationship. It really elevates the character

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 1>of Anakin, and I think to include a secondary character

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.279
<v Speaker 1>that makes the character the guy we started off with

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.399
<v Speaker 1>so much more nuanced and rich and intriguing is a

0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>feat in writing, especially as we learn what it means

0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>to have these like large, expansive sagas um. She's an

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>incredible ad and I God, I want so much more

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>for her, Like not not the animation is small, but

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:09.759
<v Speaker 1>that there's so many more directions to go with this

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:13.360
<v Speaker 1>character and so many writers interested in writing her. I

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>think she's maybe the best character in Star Wars as

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 1>far as like trying to figure out her path and

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 1>how she's impacted so many of our favorite characters. I

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 1>see a bright future for her, and I hope that

0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 1>is filled. It's interesting because um. I also have a

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 1>theory about Soca's lightsabers, but mine's a little bit in

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.680
<v Speaker 1>conflict with yours. But um, and there's a lot. This

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.480
<v Speaker 1>is also based on having read the there's a there's

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:39.799
<v Speaker 1>a Darth Vader comics series that's set like right after

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:41.920
<v Speaker 1>a vent of the Stiff and onward, which is really good.

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:46.400
<v Speaker 1>But Vader ends up being in charge of the inquisitorius

0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:48.360
<v Speaker 1>like he's the one who helps train them to fight.

0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>And it was actually a really cool fan video that

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I saw online that explains why the way he trained

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.120
<v Speaker 1>them to fight is ultimately why Asoka was able to

0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>defeat the brother in battle that she kills to get

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>her lightsabers back. And my because basically it's that he

0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 1>doesn't teach in any defensive stances, and so she's able

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to get through because it's all offensive, and she's able

0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 1>to get through that because my theory is that the

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 1>crystals that she takes from that inquisitor are her own

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 1>crystals back and that she got them from Vader when

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:22.919
<v Speaker 1>he was training them. Riley isn't the best conversation ever.

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I know we have to lying down, but I can

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:28.560
<v Speaker 1>literally talking about this forever. We do they'll have to

0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 1>have you all back together again, especially as we look

0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 1>at more for future is that comes out talk about

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Astage Ventress. Come on, let's have another hour about that.

0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I did want to stay with you all, being like, um,

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>how are they going to explain you know, her not

0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 1>being here this you know, if they can do that

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 1>with Wonder Woman and be like, why did she peace

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>out for four decades, we could figure it out. Well.

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:54.239
<v Speaker 1>My big thing with Star Wars in general, whenever someone's like, well,

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 1>why was this character not there? Like even like with

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Rogue one, they're like, oh, they had to die because otherwise,

0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 1>why weren't they there at Indoor? And like maybe they

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 1>word it was like a thousand ships in the sky there.

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that crew was on one of those ships. The

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.319
<v Speaker 1>rebellion wasn't fighting every battle in the same spot, maybe

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.359
<v Speaker 1>out of rim doing another mission always was happening. That's

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>so easy to explain away characters in a galaxy. Yeah. Absolutely,

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 1>It's always about the point of view, right, because we

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 1>see these thousands, you know, or at least hundreds of

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 1>of even in this last um film, and it's like

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.839
<v Speaker 1>all of those, all those characters that are battling even

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the ones that end up losing their life. It was like,

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:30.879
<v Speaker 1>what was their point of view that day? Because we're

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 1>only seeing the point of view of the main you know,

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:37.839
<v Speaker 1>skywalkers and their friends, but we're not seeing everybody's point

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:39.839
<v Speaker 1>of view at all times. There are so many other

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.800
<v Speaker 1>people involved. That's a good battle to bring up because

0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the ghosts from Rebels is one of the ships in

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the battle. At the end of bringing it all back,

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.160
<v Speaker 1>we do have to wrap up. Riley, thank you so

0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:54.239
<v Speaker 1>much for joining us. Where can everyone catch you? You

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:57.640
<v Speaker 1>can find me on Twitter at Riley j Silverman and

0:55:57.920 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of writing for Nurice that I

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:01.359
<v Speaker 1>actually want to say because you have me all last

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 1>time talking about doctor who you can find on Nurice.

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:07.720
<v Speaker 1>I last week got to interview three of the actors

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:09.640
<v Speaker 1>who played the doctor at the same time. I got

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to interview David Tendant, Jody Whittaker and Matt Smith at

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the exact same time. And that video is up on

0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the site, so you can check that out. No one

0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:21.120
<v Speaker 1>who deserves it more we we would have been. We

0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 1>would have written very strong emails if it wasn't um

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 1>what about you Joel? Oh? Yeah, you guys can find

0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:33.239
<v Speaker 1>me all over the internet at Joel Monique, It's j

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:35.759
<v Speaker 1>O E L L E M O N I q

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 1>u E. I'm producing and not writing right now, which

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 1>is frustrating. I'll hopefully be doing more writing soon, but

0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna check me out on shows. Check out ca

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Joe Golden's Creature feature on the I Heart Network, where

0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 1>she breaks down human behavior and animals. It's the funniest

0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:54.600
<v Speaker 1>show I swear um Also Fake Doctor's Real Friends with

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Zack Grapp and Donald Faces on where we recap episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of Scrubs. Uh yeah, and then keep tuning in here

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<v Speaker 1>to Nerdice. I'll be around. I am at Miss Danny

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<v Speaker 1>Fernandez and all the things. Thank you to our engineer

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<v Speaker 1>Zach McKeever who puts up with us. Uh and, like

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<v Speaker 1>we always say, stay nerdy.