1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calian. Here's cal. 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: You've heard of space lasers, but what do you know 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: about space mirrors? Texas listener Maureene Frank wrote in to 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: tell me about what she says is a major threat 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: to the dark, starry skies we love to look at 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: while we're out in the field. An outfit called reflectl 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: Orbital is selling a solution to one of the major 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: flaws in the green energy ecosystem. Because the sun only 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: shines during the day, solar panels only generate energy about 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: ten hours of that time. If my calculations are correct, 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: that's fourteen hours every day when no electricity is flowing, 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: and some of those hours are during peak energy usage. 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: To solve this problem, reflectl Orbital has invented a giant 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: mirror that, when launched into space, along with other giant mirrors, 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: reflect sunlight back down to Earth. This would theoretically allow 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: solar panels to generate energy twenty four hours a day, 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: and could also be used to grow crops more quickly 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: or provide space age street lights for cities might sound great, 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: but marine is concerned how a bunch of space mirrors 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: flying around will deteriorate the natural light of the stars 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: and moon. She sent me an email from an astronomer 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: from the Donald Observatory who says these mirrors would be 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: three to four times as bright as the full moon 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: and directly illuminate a swath of ground about five kilometers across. However, 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: thousands of these satellites would be needed to generate useful 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: amounts of solar power, and scattered light would cause skyglow 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: visible for hundreds of kilometers. The impact on wildlife is 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: tough to predict, but you can imagine how it might 30 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: throw off the neutral rhythms they've established over millions of years. 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but this isn't the 32 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: kind of thing I want to see in the sky 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: when I'm out in the wilderness. There are enough blinking, 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: flashing lights up there without giant mirrors getting between my 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: eyes and the milky way. This week we've got public 36 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: land hunt, fish announcements, listener mail aka the mail Bag, 37 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: wooly rhinos, and a daring winter rescue. But first, I'm 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: gonna tell you about my week. In my week, well game, 39 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: a couple of house cleaning items. There's still some concert 40 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: tickets available for the fourth ever Concert for Conservation at 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: pheasant Fest this year. The only jam sash that's gonna 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: support habitat and Habitat is the name of the game 43 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: for healthy animal populations, good opportunities in the field. This year, 44 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: my good buddy Dave Simonett Trampled by Turtles and Dead 45 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: Man Winter, alongside oll Evan Felker of Turnpike Troubadours, will 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: be on stage. You know, you get to go support 47 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: habitat from the I would say, like the number one 48 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: habitat organization Pheasants and quail forever by listening to some 49 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: sweet tunes by some awesome conservation minded musicians. Throw in 50 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: a concert for conservation in the old Google machine and 51 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: check that one out. I'll be attending pheasant Fest alongside 52 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of other great folks. Hope to see you there. 53 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: I just got to say this. There's been like a 54 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: palpable depression and guilt and I've just been like ignoring 55 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: social media as much as possible, and I'm a daily 56 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: and a dollar short on saying this stuff out loud 57 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: on this podcast or on other platforms. I'm way behind 58 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: the curve in publicly acknowledging the scenes that have been 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: and continue to come out of Minneapolis, Minnesota, the Twin Cities. 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: In my opinion, there's a ham fill. Did leadership lists 61 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: effort to do a really hard job deport undocumented and 62 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: or dangerous immigrants? Short version is I'm just disheartened and disturbed. 63 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: I feel incredibly let down. I'm the product of eighties 64 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: and nineties and early two thousand cinema Rocky Rudy, the Goonies, 65 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: Red Dawn, Independence Day America is number one, and more 66 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: often than not, we are the champions of the underdog 67 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: and the little guy. Most of all, we're right. We 68 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: as Americans are the just ones, the good guys. I've 69 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: been around the illegal immigration conversation for a really long time, 70 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: not because I live in a border state, which I do, 71 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: Montana's are northern border state, but because I've hunted and 72 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: visited Texas and Mexico a lot. Ever ever, have I 73 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: heard even the most hard line proponents of exportations make 74 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: the statement and by the way, be sure to treat 75 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: people like crap and scrape any dignity or humanity off 76 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: of them on the way out the door. Never heard that. 77 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: I have no fix for this system, how this should 78 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: be done or could be done. I'll acknowledge this attempt 79 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: to pull needles out of the haystack of citizens is 80 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: a tough job. I'm sure it's scary at times too. 81 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: I'm a critic without a functional answer, but a nagging question, 82 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: is this really the bar of acceptability we are setting 83 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: for ourselves? This is really where our expectations are as Americans? 84 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Seems pretty low to me. I have a hard time 85 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: accepting that the great country in the world can't do 86 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: a hard job a whole lot better. I'll tell you 87 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: what I do know. As folks like myself and others 88 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: on all sides of the political spectrum crawl out and acknowledge, Hey, 89 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: this isn't going well. Be it for reasons of guilt 90 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: of the US Constitution or social injustices, or deaths of 91 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: US citizens, or dips in political polling and or domestic 92 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: and global market instability, whatever the reason is, we'll need 93 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: someplace quiet to go and decompress after this. And hell, 94 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: maybe some of us relate to this game because we 95 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: were in the tree stand or the duck blind or 96 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: running the trap line, because that's what we like to do, 97 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: and that's how we can ignore and avoid social media. Lakes, rivers, streams, forests, 98 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: deserts provide distance from the noise of humanity. Places that 99 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: provide the space for activities that promote independence, promote exercising 100 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: our brains and abilities by catching and killing and cooking 101 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: food instead of pondering our collective path as Americans. That's 102 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: the type of sanctuary wilderness provides the Capitol w That's 103 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: the type of sanctuary. Little pockets of just trail lists 104 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: and roadless Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management land 105 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: provide that ability to breathe, to recenter, to remember what matters, 106 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: to de escalate our thoughts. I mean, I'm removed from 107 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this, and I've been tense, been walking 108 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: around feeling like I could punch somebody. It's not healthy, 109 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: it's not good. And as we talk about all the 110 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: time on this here podcast, the demands on these quiet 111 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: places where a clean air and clean water come from 112 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: are growing. They're getting greater and greater. Those demands are 113 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: not going away. So I have to ask another question, 114 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: what will our ability be to mentally de escalate and 115 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: decompress in the future. If we don't protect our quiet spots. 116 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: And of course one of those quiet spots right is 117 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: right there in Minnesota, the Boundary waters Canoe area, right 118 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: there in the Rainy River Watershed downstream of this proposed 119 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: open pit copper sulfide mind, a mind that, as we've 120 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: talked about, is just kind of on hold right now. 121 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: It's not going anywhere. The ore is not going anywhere. 122 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: The potential to mine, i should say, is not going anywhere. 123 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: We don't need it right now. There's operations next door 124 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: that are ongoing, providing jobs with a much longer timeline, 125 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: multi generational potential, providing those good long term jobs. And again, man, 126 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I know many many people in the extractive industries that 127 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: spend their off time and harder dough being conservationists, supporting 128 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: public lands, waters and wildlife. They're not mutually exclusive. It's 129 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: just do we need this mine in this spot right now? 130 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: And the answer is emphatically know. And if we don't 131 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: protect this one and speak up for this one, which 132 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: is a true national treasure, then what about the wilderness 133 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: in your state? Will it matter to everybody else when 134 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: the crosshairs fall on it? What about your quiet spots? 135 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: This spot in northern Minnesota is a backyard issue for 136 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: you too, and you got to recognize it. So if 137 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: you want to weigh in, give your US senators off 138 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: US a call and let them know what you feel. 139 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Capital switchboard number is two O two two two four 140 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: three one two one. There's a lot of things out 141 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: there that we can't control. We can still win this one, 142 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: but it takes you picking up the phone. Call your 143 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: senator two O two two two fourth three to one 144 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: to two to one. Just remind them that that twenty 145 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: year moratorium on mining that is the current state of 146 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: affairs is the pragmatic middle ground. It's not a permanent 147 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: mineral withdrawal. It's just a pause. We're kicking the can 148 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: down the road, and there may come a time when 149 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: we really need those minerals and there could be a 150 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: mining company with a heck of a lot better track 151 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: record for the environment than this Chilean firm and Tafagasta. 152 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: Moving on to the fishing desk. A couple weeks ago, 153 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: the Department of the Interior announced that hunting and fishing 154 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: would be allowed on all US Fish and Wildlife Service 155 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: Refuges BLM land and Bureau of Reclamation properties, as well 156 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: as parts of the National Park System where hunting is 157 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: currently permitted unless managers specifically close particular areas. The shorthand 158 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: is that these lands are quote unquote open unless closed. 159 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: As an aside, most people think that all national parks 160 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: are closed to hunting, but in fact, according to the 161 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: National Park Service, quote, approximately fifty one million acres are 162 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: open to hunting, forty three million acres in Alaska, eight 163 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: million in the contiguous States, and forty seven million acres 164 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: are open to trapping forty three million acres in Alaska, 165 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: four million in the contiguous States, which is over sixty 166 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: percent of the total National Park Service managed lands unquote. 167 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: So if you ever find yourself at the Amistad National 168 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Recreation Area in Texas, or the Whiskeytown National Wreck Area 169 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: in California, or the seventy three other open National Park 170 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: Service units around the country, do yourself favor, check the REGs, 171 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: and get out there. Okay. Back to the recent Interior 172 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: Hunting and Fishing order. A lot of conservation organizations and 173 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: outdoor media outlets cover the announcement and praise the fact 174 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: that the initiative clarified a nationwide mandate to support each 175 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: site's policies. Still, this announcement did not add any acres 176 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: to public land holdings add significant hunting fishing rights to 177 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: any existing public lands. It is, in my opinion, a 178 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: good statement, though it is a symbolic support for hunting 179 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: and angling use on public land. The administration heard loud 180 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: and clear last year that hunters and anglers won't stand 181 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: for public land sell off. We need to stay vigilant 182 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: and uncompromising about that. With reassessments of National Wildlife refuges 183 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: underway and Joint Resolution one point forty speeding toward destroying 184 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: the Boundary Water's wilderness, this announcement reaffirming our existing hunting 185 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: and fishing rights is good, but it should not distract 186 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: us from the big threats at hand. Jumping over to 187 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: the good news desk, the Nottingham Ranch in the big 188 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: state of Colorado, twenty thousand acre parcel near Beaver Creek 189 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: is being put into conservation easements after going on the 190 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: market in twenty seventeen for one hundred million dollars. That's 191 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: a deep couch cushion. Even better news is that at 192 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: the time the proper Prey went up for sale, the owner, 193 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: Susan Nottingham told the Denver Post quote, conservation easements are 194 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: bad words in my book. I'm not fond of them 195 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: because they give government a toe hold to private property, 196 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: and private property rights are such a blessing and such 197 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: a wonderful gift, and to give them away it just 198 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: makes me sick. So what changed between twenty seventeen and today? First, 199 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: the organization handling the easement is the Colorado Cattleman's Agricultural 200 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: Land Trust, which works specifically with ranching properties. Nottingham told 201 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: the Colorado's Son they are old time ranchers who know 202 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: what they are doing and know what ranching is. They 203 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: are easier to work with than a land trust that 204 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: is interested only in conservation. Cow's not condos is fined 205 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: by me. A lot of organizations pulled together to get 206 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: this one done, including Great Outdoors Colorado, the Nature Conservancy, 207 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: the Trust for Public Land, Colorado open Lands, and the 208 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: Conservation Fund. This piece of ground is precious in itself, 209 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: but the property also holds senior water rights for one 210 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three cubic feet per second it flows 211 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: from the Colorado River. The fact that this won't ever 212 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: become a golf course makes it a good thing for me. 213 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: Cattle ranches need open space, and tall grass makes fat cattle. 214 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: It's also great habitat for our pollinators, upland birds and 215 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: big antler decrutters as well. Moving on to a very 216 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: special edition of the mail Bag, a listener we're gonna 217 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: call Mark called in recently to tell me about a 218 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: hunt from September when he says a local rancher harassed 219 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: him and his hunting party. 220 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: I have been Casper, Wyoming. I drew a tag for 221 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: an elk area which is northeast of Casper. 222 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: The plot they hunt is about thirty eight thousand acres 223 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: of state and blm lands, surrounded by private ranches. It's 224 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: a three mile hike one way in the early season, 225 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: but seven or eight miles later in the year. I'm 226 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: guessing there's a lock gate in there somewhere. On this 227 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: particular hunt, Mark and three of his friends were chasing 228 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: bull elk at their bows. 229 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: Good size el curred, probably about three hundred to four 230 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: hundred dish you adding them all up. On the last day. 231 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: We were in it, as they say, beagling, chasing, and 232 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: fighting all before dawn and into the early morning. 233 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: They were excited to start hunting, but as soon as 234 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: the sun came up, they saw a plane in the sky. 235 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: Soon afterward, four wheelers joined the plane and pushing the 236 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: elk out of the area. Two of our group were 237 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: in the elk, one pinned down surrounded as the plane 238 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: may pass over to pass on the elk. After nearly 239 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: four hours of trying, the elk were gone and we 240 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: packed up and left, making calls the game and fish 241 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: when we had signal. 242 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: Mark and his friends were upset that their last day 243 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: of hunting was ruined, but their troubles weren't over yet. 244 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: While we were leaving, we were shadowed by one of 245 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: the four wheelers, who eventually came and confronted us for 246 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: recording and taking pictures, asking why we were acting so scared. 247 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: Soon after anothers joined, shadowing us for not confronting us. 248 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: The plane and four wheelers continued to follow them, and 249 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: eventually they were approached by someone who said he was 250 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: one of the ranch owners. 251 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: We were accused of attempted poaching for hunting out of season. 252 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: His exact words where elk season is over out here. 253 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: But elk season wasn't over in this unit, and according 254 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: to Mark, it didn't end until December. 255 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: And finally he also threatened us with getting us charged 256 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: with trespassing. Given we were standing in the middle of 257 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: Wyoming state land and surrounded by blm that was quite 258 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: the statement. 259 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: The ranch owner said he and his crew were out 260 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: there trying to herd cattle. 261 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: He had said he would have felt bad if we 262 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: were hunting gear antelope, but the elk, we're in the 263 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: way of him moving his cows. 264 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: As they were leaving, Mark says that one of the 265 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: drivers of a four wheeler recognized someone in their group. 266 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: This resulted in a county commissioner calling people in their 267 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: hunting party to try to get their names in contact 268 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: info for everyone else who was there that day. Mark 269 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: says they weren't the only group of hunters in this 270 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: area who experienced similar behavior. 271 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: Since this happened over the course of the rest of 272 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: hunting season, there are multip incidents of those who are 273 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: in a hunting party and others out in this area. 274 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: One incident involved hunters from Wisconsin who were lucky winners 275 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: of my bumping elk from one rise to another, and 276 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: they killed two bulls and the small herd that I 277 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 2: was stalking. Soon after they shot their elk, there were 278 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: two planes in the air and a truck on the 279 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: ground Within ten to fifteen minutes. The elk were being 280 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: pushed back towards private off the public, and a hunter's 281 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: being harassed for having shot the elk. In general. Conversation 282 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: with them later they had been dealing with run ins 283 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: with UTV spore wheelers and confrontations from ranchers the entire 284 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: week they'd been out there, asking is it always like 285 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: this out here? 286 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: According to Mark, it is. 287 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: I would say at thirty to forty days in it 288 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: includes archery season, and ninety percent of those days I 289 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: saw a plane in the air at some point. If 290 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: you walk towards that plane, that's where the elk are 291 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: going to be, like, without a doubt, and most of 292 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: the time it's making low passes if they're on public 293 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: to push them, and it's just, yeah, it's a frustrating 294 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: thing because if you don't get there when the plane's 295 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: not there, you're probably not going to be able to 296 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: get an elk. 297 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Mark says that all of these incidents have been reported 298 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: to BLM and Wyoming Game and Fish, but as far 299 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: as he knows, nothing has been done for me. 300 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: The stroller brit to Camel's back. This hunting season was. 301 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: It was towards the end of the hunting season, probably 302 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: beginning of December. I saw a herd that was moving 303 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: through a drainage to a watering hole, and they'd done 304 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 2: it a couple of times, and previous times I'd been 305 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: out there, I was on the wrong side of public 306 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: land to be able to get to him. This time, 307 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: I made sure that I was going to be on 308 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: the right side of the public land, and they were 309 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: moving through the drainage down to the watering hole. But 310 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: I was exactly where I wanted to be, one hundred 311 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: yards from where they were going to be, had good cover, 312 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: just kind of hanging out. About an hour before dark, 313 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: the herd really started to move and they were going 314 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: to walk right past me. As that happened, they had 315 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: to cross the two track, and as they were coming 316 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: up to that two track, outfitter truck showed up and 317 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: stopped them moving to the herd that people got out 318 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: of the truck and pushed them back the other direction. 319 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: Not long after that, a hunter showed up that clearly 320 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: had paid the outfitter, or at least was with the outfitter, 321 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: and shot a bull that one kind of like was 322 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: the nail in the coffin for me when it came 323 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: to whether I was going to write you or not. 324 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: The unfairness and ridiculousness of it all just kind of 325 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: is not okay. 326 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: It's tough to know how common this kind of behavior is, 327 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: but Mark is concerned it might happen even more frequently 328 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: in the years ahead. That's because the Wyoming state legislature 329 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: is considering a bill that would allow landowners to sell 330 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: their hunting tags. 331 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: This kind of caused an alarm to go off my 332 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: head because landowners are already allowed to outfit their land, 333 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: and that causes enough issue and the brazenness and arrogance 334 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: and just basically disregard for everything that they operate with already. 335 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: I can only imagine it's only going to get worse 336 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: when they can sell tags. 337 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: That's a heck of a story. As you've heard me 338 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: say before on this podcast, there are two sides to 339 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: every story. Ranchers run cattle on BLM land, so it's 340 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: not totally unreasonable that a ranch operation might be rounding 341 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: up cows at the same time the hunter is putting 342 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: a stock on an elk Eli Fournier wrote an article 343 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: on this insidant over at the meaeater dot com, and 344 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: he reached out to the ranch owner in question. He 345 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: reiterated the fact that he was just trying to wrangle 346 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: his cattle, which, if true, makes this more of an 347 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: unfortunate coincidence than hunter harassment. The key phrase there is, 348 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: if true, the way Mark describes it, the ranch hands 349 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: intentionally interfered with their hunt and then confronted them as 350 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 1: they were trying to leave. That seems unnecessarily aggressive, and 351 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: to me at least indicates that there was more going 352 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: on here than an innocent roundup. Whatever happened in this 353 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: particular incident, two things are still true. Landowners and outfitters 354 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: do sometimes act like they own the elk on neighboring 355 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: tracks of public land. They do sometimes interfere with legal hunters, 356 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: and if game and fish agencies appreciate all the dollars 357 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: public land hunters contribute to conservation, they should do everything 358 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: they can to stop that behavior. It's also true that 359 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: if states like Wyoming allow landowners to sell tags, those 360 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: ranchers and outfitters will be further incentivized you act like 361 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: those elk which are public wildlife belong to them because 362 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: they become a commodity. Now, this is a nasty story. 363 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't want folks thinking that, however, you land on 364 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: this side, that the outfitters or ranchers, if they are 365 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: in the wrong, represent the entire community. We all know 366 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: that there's bad eggs in the bunch, and you know 367 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: you just throw them out and eat the rest of them. 368 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: Big thanks to Mark for taking the time to call in. 369 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: I hope you got to bowl that season there, buddy. 370 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: For further details on this encounter, head on over the 371 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: Meat Eater website and check out Eli's article. If you're 372 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: aware of this situation and want to shed some more 373 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: light on the incident, give me a call. Four oh 374 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: six two two oho six four four one. Moving on 375 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: to the wolf desk, you've likely heard that wolves can 376 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: eat up to twenty pounds of meat a day, and 377 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: throughout history, law of different animals have been on the 378 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: business end of that fact. Archaeologists digging in Siberia recently 379 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: uncovered an ancient wolf that had been preserved in the permafrost, 380 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: and inside the stomach of that refrigerated canine was a 381 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: full meal of wooly rhinoceros. The find was dated to 382 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: fourteen and a half thousand years ago, and because wooly 383 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: rhino went extinct right around fourteen thousand years ago, this 384 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: is the youngest specimen of the species ever discovered. The 385 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: wooly rhino was an extremely cool critter, five feet high, 386 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: twelve feet long, and a weighed up to six thousand pounds, 387 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: about the same size as the white rhino that exists today, 388 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: but their long layered fur let them survive in the 389 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: same frigid conditions as the modern muskos, and their horns 390 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: were much longer than those of contemporary rhinos. The longest 391 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: wooly rhino horn ever discovered was almost five and a 392 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: half feet long. You can't help but wonder whether this 393 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: frozen wolf's last meal was wooly rhino, because another wooly 394 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: rhino dispatched it with that horn, but disappointingly, the wolf 395 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: likely scavenged the ride pan ocarcas. Thankfully, wolves don't chew 396 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: their food a whole lot before they eat it, and 397 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: this chunk of wooly rhino was relatively intact, with large 398 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: pieces of flesh and hair for scientists to sample by 399 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: taking partial strands of DNA from several locations. They were 400 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: able to recreate the entire sequence. That complete genome told 401 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: the scientists that there was no inbreeding in the rhinos genes, 402 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: even though its extinction was only a few centuries away. 403 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: In contrast, wooly mammoth remains have showed serious genetic decline 404 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: in advance of that species extinction. The number of mammoths 405 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: dwindled over a longer period of time, and eventually there 406 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: were so few that inbreeding itself was a cause of 407 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: their demise. For rhinos, on the other hand, the end 408 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: came more suddenly, likely from changes in climate and vegetation 409 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: over several decades. And if you were worried that people 410 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: hunted the wooly rhino to extinction, breathe a sigh of relief. 411 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: Humans and rhinos overlap for thousands of years, and there 412 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: isn't much evidence to suggest that we hunted them much 413 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: at all. It looks like we just left them to 414 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: the wolves. And pound Hall is a lot for a freezer, 415 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: especially back when you didn't have one. Now, for those 416 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: of you in the Eastern States, a little bit in 417 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: the Midwest there, and you know, in the Southeast, basically 418 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: anywhere other than Montana, where we want snow. Perk up 419 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: your little wind nipped ears. Because the recent winter storms 420 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: punished half the country, killing at least twenty two people, 421 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: canceling tens of thousands of flights, and knocking out power 422 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: for almost a million people, that wasn't enough to keep 423 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: the nation's hunters out of the field, which created a 424 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: few sticky situations. Down in Louisiana. Two boaters got stuck 425 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: in a frozen stream in the Wombrock section of the 426 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: Russell Sage WMA in the northern central part of the state, 427 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: requiring a rescue from the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. Nearby, 428 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: in the Upper Wachidah National Wildlife Refuge, three young hunters 429 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: got their trucks stuck in frozen mud and the LDWF 430 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: pulled them out as well. And yet another incident, this 431 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: time in Bossier Parish near Shreveport. Two duck hunters came 432 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: trapped in ice along the Red River and the Department 433 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: pulled them out and got them back to shore, where 434 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: they were checked for hypothermia. This should be a reminder 435 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: next time a wildlife official is checking your license or 436 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: you're cooler. Remember, the same person might be getting you 437 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: out of a pickle before too long, so be polite. 438 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: Up in Wisconsin, the weather was apparently not cold enough 439 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: because a seventy two year old man broke through the 440 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: ice of Lake Superior on Saturday while driving a side 441 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: by side. The US Coast Guard nearby Bayfield Dispatch an 442 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: ice skiff crew and assisted by the National Park Service, 443 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: they had him out of there in a hurry and 444 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: into the hands of waiting EMTs. Big thank you to 445 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: all the emergency personnel out there who go to work 446 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: while the rest of us batting down the hatches and 447 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: just try to keep all our fingers and toes. Glad 448 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: to know you're out there. Oh, last, but not least, 449 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: thank you to everybody who attended the Big Baha Minnesota 450 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: ice Breaker event. Heard you got an excellent talk from 451 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: Hal Herring, all sorts of tips and tactics for being 452 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: out there on the ice, maybe a couple of cocktails 453 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: and great food. I miss that one. Thank you so 454 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: much for coming out and checking it out. That's all 455 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: I got for you this week. Thank you so much 456 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: for listening. Remember to write in as CA C A L. 457 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: That's ascal at the meat eater dot com let me 458 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 1: know what's going on in your neck of the woods. 459 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: Know we appreciate it. Thanks again, We'll talk to you 460 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: next week.