WEBVTT - Aptera Eyes Mass Production of Unique Solar Car

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. You're listening to Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 2>Driven by the Sun and looking like it belongs in

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<v Speaker 2>outer space. At Terra Motors is a solar mobility company.

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<v Speaker 2>For I'm back in twenty nineteen. It is based on

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<v Speaker 2>its website, still in the testing phase, but we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to find out exactly what they're up to and where

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<v Speaker 2>they're headed. Chris Anthony's co CEO. It is a one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty two million dollar market cap company at

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<v Speaker 2>Terra Motors. The company is based in Carlsbad, California, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly where we find Chris. The microcap, by the

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<v Speaker 2>way down about thirty one percent from its direct listing

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<v Speaker 2>on the NASDAC earlier this year. Hey Chris, good to

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<v Speaker 2>have you here with Matt and myself. I know he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to take over in one minute because he's our

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<v Speaker 2>car guy or one of our car guys. But tell

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit about where the company is. You're

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<v Speaker 2>in your what sixth year? Tell us about where the

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<v Speaker 2>car is, where you're going, you're on the road, you're testing,

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<v Speaker 2>tell us a little bit about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Terra's currently in final validation and we're looking to

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<v Speaker 3>press into full production in twenty twenty six, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just exciting to see the vehicle come together and see

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<v Speaker 3>solar mobility finally on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about this interview earlier today, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly the current zeitgeist is not what you would consider

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<v Speaker 1>pro solar car. The administration seems not to be the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest fan of alternative energy or renewable energy. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, they've given you a ton of what I

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<v Speaker 1>must believe are very incentivizing tax rules in the current

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<v Speaker 1>one big beautiful bill, especially if you're going to manufacture

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, which you are right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're manufacturing in Carlsbag, California. But you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>is a globe supply chain for vehicles like this, and

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<v Speaker 3>we hope that, you know, there's enough investment in the

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<v Speaker 3>US to bring more and more of that supply chain.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, over in time, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the critical pieces that you need, like what do

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<v Speaker 1>you need to import and pay tariffs on and what

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<v Speaker 1>can you get from this country in order to build

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<v Speaker 1>your car.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, initially we partnered with LG Kim and a

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<v Speaker 3>company called CT and S in Korea to make our

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<v Speaker 3>battery packs, but we're bringing cell manufacture over to Tennessee

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<v Speaker 3>and bring the equipment over to manufacture our battery packs

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<v Speaker 3>here in Carlsbag, California. So that's been assisted by California

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<v Speaker 3>Energy Commission grant and we hope to you know, have

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<v Speaker 3>all that production here in the US, hopefully by the

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<v Speaker 3>end of twenty twenty six, maybe twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the most difficult aspect of what you're doing and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to create a market essentially for it and then

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<v Speaker 2>ramp up What is the trickiest part right here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, most companies start with a minimum viable

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<v Speaker 3>product and transportation, you know, it's kind of about the

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<v Speaker 3>styling of the vehicle and how many cup holders it has,

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<v Speaker 3>how many passengers. That's not really where we started. We

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<v Speaker 3>started with how do we make the most efficient transportation possible?

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<v Speaker 3>And then it became this solar powered masterpiece that we

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<v Speaker 3>have now. But we really didn't know what kind of

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<v Speaker 3>market there was. We weren't able to study the market

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<v Speaker 3>for something that didn't exist, so we kind of had

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<v Speaker 3>to just build what we wanted to bring to the

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<v Speaker 3>world and then hope that people really liked it. And luckily,

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<v Speaker 3>within the first couple weeks of announcing it, we had

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<v Speaker 3>over four thousand orders. Now we have almost fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 3>orders for the app Tarra, And you know, we think

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<v Speaker 3>people are really excited about transportation built for efficiency's sake,

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<v Speaker 3>and something that can be solar powered, something that you

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<v Speaker 3>never have to worry about putting gas in at, something

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<v Speaker 3>you never have to worry about plugging it in.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have to worry about range?

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<v Speaker 3>The standard version of the app Era gets four hundred

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<v Speaker 3>miles of range, plus it gets the solar charging that

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<v Speaker 3>it gets every day just by leaving it out in

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<v Speaker 3>the sun. But we do offer larger range. Models of

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<v Speaker 3>our app tear up to one thousand miles of.

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<v Speaker 1>Range, So that's easily enough for like my daily commute.

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<v Speaker 1>The car looks really, I mean, it looks cool, looks weird,

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<v Speaker 1>looks different. It's a three wheeler. I guess that would

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<v Speaker 1>be so that you can classify it as a motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct me if I'm wrong. And you've got these outboard

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<v Speaker 1>fenders on the front, two wheels and then one wheel

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<v Speaker 1>in the back. Tell us about the design yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what most people don't realize is that sixty

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<v Speaker 3>to seventy percent of your fuel that highway speeds just

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<v Speaker 3>goes to pushing air out of the way if you're

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<v Speaker 3>in a typical suv or sedan. So we started, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with aerodynamics when it comes to making transportation more efficient.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why it looks more like a fish than a box.

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<v Speaker 3>And with something that looks so unique, also want to

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<v Speaker 3>eliminate any weight you can, so it's very light weight

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<v Speaker 3>and that made it three wheels, so there's less rolling resistance,

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<v Speaker 3>less weight, and that three wheels has some unique advantages

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<v Speaker 3>and that we're classified as a motorcycle. But because it's

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<v Speaker 3>three wheels, you don't have to have a motorcycle's license.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you have something over your head, you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to wear a helmet. And in California, evs are no

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<v Speaker 3>longer allowed. Brought us admission to the HOV lane, the

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<v Speaker 3>Highacops Vehicle lane, so we'll be the only EV that's

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<v Speaker 3>able to drive in the HOV lane without any restrictions.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting that you can get you can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of weave through different regulations with a three wheeled vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why You've seen some of the coolest experimental vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>from the Morgan three wheeler to this Apptara car. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got us room for two people inside right, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as I guess luggage or a pet or whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to bring along. What's it like when you're driving around?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody must be rubber.

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<v Speaker 2>How come you haven't driven one yet? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How come I haven't driven one yet?

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<v Speaker 3>Chris? Well, we need to get you in one soon, Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's a pleasure to drive. It's super super quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of eerily quiet because a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>noise you hear in a typical suv or sedan is

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<v Speaker 3>win noise buffeting off the vehicle at higher speeds. But

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<v Speaker 3>because the Aptera cuts through the wind so nicely, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't really get a lot of that. So it's very

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<v Speaker 3>different kind of driving experience. It's quick, it's zero to

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<v Speaker 3>sixty and five seconds, top speed one hundred miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it's definitely something that gets attention. If

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<v Speaker 3>you are an introvert to maybe this is not the

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<v Speaker 3>vehicle for you initially, because any Starbucks that you pull

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<v Speaker 3>up to, you're gonna you're gonna bring a crowd, but

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<v Speaker 3>you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Take it off the beaten path, right. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I've seen the website because I recall pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of maybe the Aptara on a beach or in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes with or you can buy I guess camping

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<v Speaker 1>gear or a kit that goes along with it so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can get out there. And plus the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it's solar charging, you can charge with the sun

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<v Speaker 1>up to forty miles a day, right, means that you

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<v Speaker 1>can really take it off the grid.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little deceptive on the storage. There's actually thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five cubic feet of storage in the back. If you

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<v Speaker 3>put the front seat forward and the passenger side, you

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<v Speaker 3>have seven feet of space from the tail of the tip,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can put surfboards back there, mountain bikes. You

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<v Speaker 3>can actually leave the hatch up, and there's a camping

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<v Speaker 3>kit where there's a tent that goes over the back

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<v Speaker 3>of the vehicle so you can camp to people comfortably.

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<v Speaker 3>But most importantly, it's very cool to think that you

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<v Speaker 3>can drive two hundred miles to your favorite camping spot,

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<v Speaker 3>you can camp for a week, and you can come

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<v Speaker 3>back with more energy in your app tear than you

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<v Speaker 3>left with. Unless allan or no, it does get less

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<v Speaker 3>solar production. You know, if it's super cloudy or if

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<v Speaker 3>it rains. You know, if it's cloudy, you can count

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<v Speaker 3>on maybe half of the energy production. You know, if

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<v Speaker 3>it's a white out snow, obviously you're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>get much solar. But it's really a whole new vehicle category,

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<v Speaker 3>a vehicle that creates its own fuel. There's never been

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<v Speaker 3>anything like it where you purchased the vehicle and you're

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<v Speaker 3>also purchasing a lifetime's worth of fuel with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Hey, we're talking with Chris Anthony Co, chief executive

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<v Speaker 2>officer of Eptera Motors, joining us from Carlsbad, California. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that the company began in twenty sixteen, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's really like an iteration of a company that goes

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<v Speaker 2>back a while. I think goes back to actually two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and six. It was a company. I think it liquidated,

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<v Speaker 2>it came back as a second company, and now it's

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<v Speaker 2>the third company. Is there anything like if someone you know, googles,

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<v Speaker 2>they might be like, God, this feels a little uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything that connects you to kind of the history of

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<v Speaker 2>this company from day one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know, I met Steve Fambreau in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and five. He had a vision for how to make

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<v Speaker 3>vehicles more efficient. It was a bit perplexed that there

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<v Speaker 3>are some vehicles on the road that you would think

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<v Speaker 3>should be efficient. You know things that look aerodynamic. You

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<v Speaker 3>know a VW bug. Why doesn't that get more more

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<v Speaker 3>than fifty miles per gallon? It really all comes down

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<v Speaker 3>to the aerodynamic losses, the weight losses. So how would

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<v Speaker 3>you make the most efficient vehicle possible? And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>Steve and I set out to bring advanced engineering too,

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<v Speaker 3>is if you really tackle the problem from our first

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<v Speaker 3>engineering principles perspective, and what do you end up with?

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<v Speaker 3>You end up with a vehicle looks more like a fish.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about two thousand pounds, it has three wheels, and

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<v Speaker 3>it has an electric power train. That's the most efficient

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<v Speaker 3>way to get energy to the wheels. You know, by happenstance,

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<v Speaker 3>we created something that gets some three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>miles per gallon equivalent. And when you do that, you

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<v Speaker 3>can put a relatively small solar package on top but

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<v Speaker 3>get really useful range. We get about forty miles a

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<v Speaker 3>day of free power just from leaving the apptar out

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<v Speaker 3>in the sun. So if you're like the average American

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<v Speaker 3>and you only drive thirty miles a day, forty miles

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<v Speaker 3>a day of solar charging is great. You just never

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<v Speaker 3>have to plug the vehicle in, You just leave it

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<v Speaker 3>outside and takes care of all your average driving needs.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Chris, is this something that you really see for

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<v Speaker 2>local driving? I'm curious if it taps out at sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five miles an hour or is it does it? How

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<v Speaker 2>fast can it go? And can it be on highways

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<v Speaker 2>or what's your vmax?

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<v Speaker 1>Dude? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're the suspension handling characteristics are great. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a very spirited drive there to sixty and five seconds,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're actually faster, you know, at the upper ends

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<v Speaker 3>of the speed. You know, thirty to sixty you know

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<v Speaker 3>is faster and a top speed of one hundred miles

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<v Speaker 3>an hour. So definitely driving it on the highway. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's made to be a Southern California vehicle. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>lots of sun out here. It's made to be more

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<v Speaker 3>than you know, just a commuter vehicle. You can you know,

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<v Speaker 3>take it and you know, do the family shopping. You can,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, pick up the kids from the school. You can,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, do a lot with this vehicle. In terms

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<v Speaker 3>of usability.

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<v Speaker 1>I also see that it can fit individuals of up

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<v Speaker 1>to six foot eight, which is important for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're six I'm six four.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want I need leg room, right I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I get claustrophobic and normal cars and planes, so I

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<v Speaker 1>need my space. And by the ways, you're to sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>five seconds. When I was in college, that was what

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<v Speaker 1>a nine to eleven was doing. So that's respectable, really respectable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's still a lot of cars they can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Of course, you got the instant Torquere getting

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<v Speaker 1>up to one hundred miles an hour. I rarely exceed

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<v Speaker 1>that speed when I'm driving to and from work. I

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<v Speaker 1>try to come close when there's nobody around. How many

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<v Speaker 1>orders have you got for this? I mean, how many

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<v Speaker 1>people do you think you're going to sell this car

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<v Speaker 1>to when it goes into final production?

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<v Speaker 2>Just got twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've got almost fifty thousand orders, but we hope

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<v Speaker 3>to deliver up to a million Avtara in the next

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<v Speaker 3>ten years. It took Tesla thirteen years to deliver their

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<v Speaker 3>million vehicles. We hope to do it in ten Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for that, to try it out and

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<v Speaker 2>report back, and then you can come back on with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Chris Anthony co CEO of Afterra Mortars joining US