Speaker 1: What Is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of the Mets Up podcast. For those of you Sikos
Speaker 1: out there who are still addicted to watching this New
Speaker 1: York Mets team, maybe a head on a second screen
Speaker 1: after watching team in USA play a horrendous game against Belgium.
Speaker 1: We're here to talk about everything going on in the
Speaker 1: Mets world. A nice series split against the Atlanta Braves
Speaker 1: for some reason, we have their number this year. Can't
Speaker 1: figure it out. Team stinks, but not against the Braves.
Speaker 1: And we've got some trade talks, some rumors, some crazy
Speaker 1: takes being spewed on the internet. We're gonna talk about everything,
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Speaker 1: and subscribe. I mean again, in another Brave series where
Speaker 1: it's like kind of positive.
Speaker 2: I mean this, I feel like the series tell us
Speaker 2: more about the Braves and did about the Mets. I
Speaker 2: think it feels blatant that the Braves team isn't should
Speaker 2: be taken like super seriously as a World Series contender
Speaker 2: in the National League.
Speaker 1: I think the current version of them, no, the current
Speaker 1: iteration of them.
Speaker 2: I guess they will get healthier when Coone is back.
Speaker 2: But this team is definitely worse than the Philly So
Speaker 2: that's not what it's about. It's not just about at all.
Speaker 2: This is about the Mets again just having a bad
Speaker 2: just a bad series in general, and the fact that
Speaker 2: they the fact that they split it into two games
Speaker 2: that they won. They were so bad at the end
Speaker 2: they kind of deserve to lose them. Not so much
Speaker 2: on Monday, very much more so on Sunday. Getting the
Speaker 2: shit beat out of them in fourth July, like talk
Speaker 2: about fireworks and then Yeah, I don't know, there's just
Speaker 2: bad defense, bad at bats, decent pitching kind of besides
Speaker 2: from and I, I guess I wasn't even terrible defense.
Speaker 1: Let him got anything else great either, Scott. It was
Speaker 1: just like, wasn't great either.
Speaker 2: I think the mean for the prop is better than
Speaker 2: most of his stars lately. Those first two winnings, the
Speaker 2: defense kind of all over the place. He finally has
Speaker 2: the slider back. I think that's something that's cool. He
Speaker 2: was throwing the sweeper variant that we hadn't seen him
Speaker 2: throw that much, so I appreciated seeing an adjustment there
Speaker 2: and getting a pitch that was actually missing bats again
Speaker 2: right handed bathers.
Speaker 1: Like that was a really good sign for me from Freddy.
Speaker 1: That's a good show you for the rest of the
Speaker 1: teams in the league that the slider's not gone. That's
Speaker 1: like the biggest thing to take out of it. It's just,
Speaker 1: I mean, going four innings. It's crazy that we win
Speaker 1: a game where Freddy goes four innings like that again,
Speaker 1: or four and two thirds whatever it actually came out
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: I missed what people were calling him Freddy five innings
Speaker 2: like that was a bad thing.
Speaker 1: This is Freddy four innings. That version is Freddy Prault.
Speaker 1: I would kill for right now.
Speaker 2: But even like again, Scott on on Friday, let's just
Speaker 2: jump around ten minutes and the games jump around. Then
Speaker 2: talk about all the trade stuff Mike Francesa, Will Sam
Speaker 2: and all the crazy stuff going on right now.
Speaker 1: Boomer Sison, Boomer Sison, Game one, Game one. We'll start
Speaker 1: game one. Christian Scott.
Speaker 2: This was just Christian Scott where at Fastball awesome making
Speaker 2: hitlers look bad, missing bats in the zone, sweepers great
Speaker 2: against the readies, and then with the lefties, it's like,
Speaker 2: am I confident the color right now?
Speaker 1: Or am I not confident? And then you kind of
Speaker 1: get into these long battles.
Speaker 2: They held only eighty pitches as well, and the home
Speaker 2: runs of course, but this was just this is just
Speaker 2: who Christian Scott thinks is going to be until there's
Speaker 2: more development, and this to me feels like not a
Speaker 2: bad place.
Speaker 1: For a pitch to begin. Yeah, it wasn't a great
Speaker 1: start by any means. Also, like the eighty pitches is
Speaker 1: why he went four innings. He probably goes a fifth
Speaker 1: inning if he's not coming back off the injury and
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the injury history behind him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a grinding It was a stressful eighty two
Speaker 1: for Scott, four walk seven k's. It's well, the Mets
Speaker 1: have the craziest run lines or box score every single
Speaker 1: night for their pitching. To strike out seven, walk four
Speaker 1: and give up two home runs and you're like only
Speaker 1: three earned runs? How is that even possible?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: But again, because he's missing bass with fast ball on
Speaker 2: the zone baby, and the Mets office just took seven
Speaker 2: innings off in this game as well, until one Soto
Speaker 2: kind of brought it back together. Both both rallies were
Speaker 2: wan so though induced.
Speaker 1: Not even rallies. It's all the home run and then
Speaker 1: another hit.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, it's just it's watching his team steals
Speaker 2: very whatever. The big news heading into this game was
Speaker 2: that a j Ewing got bumped up to the top
Speaker 2: spot and now carsonsvantage got moved to fifth, which and then.
Speaker 1: Aj Ewing got taken out of the game because he
Speaker 1: stole while Wan Soda was up. He stole in front
Speaker 1: of Sodo got on base. Aj Ewing has had really
Speaker 1: bad success sealing bases at the major league level. I
Speaker 1: am kind of confused about it because he's a great
Speaker 1: runner but just gets really bad jumps at on the
Speaker 1: bass pass. It's a skill. Andy Green sat him down, said,
Speaker 1: this is a moment where he's got to understand that
Speaker 1: sometimes when Mon SODA's up and you're on base, he
Speaker 1: can't run into an out. And I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I didn't hate it. I think that's I think that's
Speaker 1: a way to teach him. While also like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he got three at bats in this game. It's not
Speaker 1: like he didn't play, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: He also didn't start the next day, But I also
Speaker 2: think that was them still. Andy Green said they're going
Speaker 2: to try and hide him against tough lefties, which is
Speaker 2: why he sat partially maybe because the disciplinary reason still
Speaker 2: but against Chris Sale then was in the lineup against
Speaker 2: Martine Perez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know if it's disciplinary. I think
Speaker 1: it's just more so even like just learn young buck
Speaker 1: you're twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is funny with Youing because base stealing
Speaker 2: is so much of a skill and we learned that
Speaker 2: last year and s and why major to pant to
Speaker 2: Antoine rigardson plenty of times.
Speaker 1: Yourbody's still on basis of the Braves have this year
Speaker 1: versus the Mets, by.
Speaker 2: The way you all, but it is the skill is
Speaker 2: just going to come with a time every single day.
Speaker 2: With aj Ewing, I still watch him make a good play.
Speaker 2: Carson Bench is the same, and it's like everything's house money.
Speaker 2: I feel like with him, he's so far ahead of schedule. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we even just talked about the fact that it's amazing
Speaker 2: after these four games that Bobiche has a higher batting
Speaker 2: average a j Ewing that.
Speaker 1: Does feel insane like that it's gone that way, but
Speaker 1: also at the same time, like I am super impressed
Speaker 1: with how aj Ewing has played thus far. I think
Speaker 1: he has shown that he's very, very capable at a
Speaker 1: super young age of twenty one. He plays a great
Speaker 1: center field. The base running thing's going to clean up.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make some mistakes again because he's twenty one
Speaker 1: years old. But I think you said perfectly, James, like
Speaker 1: him and Bench, they make good plays every day. And
Speaker 1: just to bring this up because I have to since
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about trades, it does make you
Speaker 1: understand more why the Nemo contract was such a rush
Speaker 1: to get moved off of not because of the quality
Speaker 1: of player that Nimo is, but because we do have
Speaker 1: these great young players who are doing very very similar
Speaker 1: things to what he's doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year and next year, aj Ewing probably ay
Speaker 2: Carson Bench by next year probably outpaced Brandon Nimo in
Speaker 2: terms of value. Probably again still taking human element out
Speaker 2: of that shack that happened one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But don't look at who we trade for.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, again, Well he's gone. I mean, who
Speaker 2: knows that when he comes back and plays baseball games?
Speaker 2: Because we are also as this is all going on,
Speaker 2: like Louise Robert is rehabing a triple A and similar
Speaker 2: to the conversations, we're going to have an only a
Speaker 2: few short minutes.
Speaker 1: So hang on with us, guys.
Speaker 2: Everything's going to be about the trade deadline for the
Speaker 2: next three weeks, about showcasing guys, getting ready to trade them,
Speaker 2: even some guys we didn't expect maybe to get traded.
Speaker 2: So with the Mets wanting to showcase Louise Robert, they're
Speaker 2: going to put him back in center field, and as
Speaker 2: that happens, do not be surprised if aj Ewing becomes
Speaker 2: the second basement.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of days for this baseball team
Speaker 1: been taking some ground balls. We know that ever since
Speaker 1: he got called up, he's been taking ground balls. I
Speaker 1: do think Sodo probably just goes to the age most
Speaker 1: of the days. I think that's what it ends up being.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been there a lot. Anyway. I think
Speaker 1: there will still be a rotation.
Speaker 2: But I also think, just to again think about the future,
Speaker 2: think about the players you have, Like see how a
Speaker 2: j Ewing does turning double plays, going up the middle
Speaker 2: like he has, like gonna have a great arm for
Speaker 2: a second baseman.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a Candon over on one of the best
Speaker 1: arms at the second base in the league.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's gonna be fun to navigate all these
Speaker 2: things again. Saturday, freeze through this one quickly got your
Speaker 2: doors blown off. Another folly in the field with Lindor
Speaker 2: and Tyrone Taylor having a bit of a miscommunication that
Speaker 2: was on Tyrone. I'm hoping that we get that error
Speaker 2: that hit turned into an error because I have a
Speaker 2: fantasy game that I tied and I had Sean and
Speaker 2: I on my line.
Speaker 1: But the relief the spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm really hoping that we can reverse I
Speaker 2: get a retroactive win at some point this week. I
Speaker 2: want to shout out a great Twitter cube in followood. Recently,
Speaker 2: m willb scoring changes Okay, phenomenal, just.
Speaker 1: Go all he does.
Speaker 2: Go over every single scoring change that happens after the fact,
Speaker 2: and you go over the Miserowski one. He's gone viral
Speaker 2: now because of that Miserowski thing. I the fo it
Speaker 2: was like a month that happened last week and then
Speaker 2: also again on Monday with Christopher Sanchez play with Trey Turner.
Speaker 2: Yes where if both of those calls were reversed, their
Speaker 2: ear ras would have been like within a tenth of
Speaker 2: a run, and now they're like six and a half
Speaker 2: tenth of a run.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how these scoring changes can make such a
Speaker 1: huge difference. It is, but again, Saturday, you got anything else?
Speaker 1: Sean and Iah looked horrible, Austin Warrens being human, Joey
Speaker 1: Gerberb got shelled. I mean, there's not really anything to
Speaker 1: talk about there. I guess good to see Mark Riento's
Speaker 1: get a home run off another lefty's that's just boosted
Speaker 1: any sort of trade value he possibly could have.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is, I'll get you the split right
Speaker 2: here in a second, because now it seems like he's
Speaker 2: only playing against lefties and Marchie should only be doing
Speaker 2: He does have an eight to fifty ops against leftis.
Speaker 1: That's a playoff team could use that. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. Pittsburgh Pirates, I'm looking at you. Well, they're
Speaker 1: going to cut the other guy. They're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: I think they should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely should. That the criminal, Yeah, the criminal.
Speaker 2: That's it's a nicely tyrone Taylor get the bat hot.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, just right before we trade him. Hopefully, hopefully
Speaker 1: it's something there.
Speaker 2: But then series kind of got crazy once we got
Speaker 2: to Sunday again, Like this team does find a way
Speaker 2: somehow to pick themselves like barely off the mat when
Speaker 2: they're about to get fully knocked the fuck out kind
Speaker 2: of sometimes once in a while maybe, And offense went
Speaker 2: crazy after the Brads give you saw a punch in
Speaker 2: the mouth in the first inning.
Speaker 1: That was Nolan McLain.
Speaker 2: Also again defense not doing him any favors, settling in
Speaker 2: really nicely again, the feel for the.
Speaker 1: Curve ball just appears to be back.
Speaker 2: That's the thing that was stopping him, and now against
Speaker 2: lefties him having it. That looks like Nolan McLain has
Speaker 2: very much nestled himself back into being an incredibly solid,
Speaker 2: sturdy starting pitcher. And then just whatever happened that ninth
Speaker 2: inning was like, how's his real life? Eleven runs in
Speaker 2: the ninth inning of this game? That's absolutely insane, Like
Speaker 2: when the Mets threw up five, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's kind of nice, nice little Sunday recovering from a
Speaker 2: nice Fourth of July at the Chiano's Great Party, Good times,
Speaker 2: Rock and Pops shout out the Schiano's for hosting us.
Speaker 2: All right, nice, taking a little nap, started to fall asleep,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, oh my god, Oscar Brosebond
Speaker 2: just gave up a grand slam.
Speaker 1: He's the white like that.
Speaker 2: This this is Boscar browsel Bond's worst outing in a year.
Speaker 2: And then for Devin Williams to come in and we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: hopefully it can be settled down. Opposite of being settled down,
Speaker 2: you've got to load the bases, you have to walk
Speaker 2: multiple guys, you have to go to the three balls,
Speaker 2: and you have a chance to.
Speaker 1: Tie the game.
Speaker 2: But then it did wind up being okay, and that
Speaker 2: ninth inning was fun like for us.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: I like seeing Boba Schett, I like seeing ja ewing one.
Speaker 2: So though like that was that was not the Ajuing won.
Speaker 1: That was two things before Juing home run off Martine Perez,
Speaker 1: which yes, which was I couldn't believe that that ball
Speaker 1: went out. The balls are so insanely juiced. Again, it's insane.
Speaker 1: And the balls in Atlanta they fly out of that ballpark.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, the ease that balls get out.
Speaker 2: I mean, Atlanta is one of the ballparks and Washington's
Speaker 2: like this as well, and not the same way. But
Speaker 2: San Diego's like this, where Cleveland's like this too big time.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh is a little bit like this, where once the
Speaker 2: weather warms you have a totally different ballpark down theah.
Speaker 2: I think Washington's like the most pronounced one in baseball there.
Speaker 1: Remember you tell me about that a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago and being like, oh, home runs in Washington for
Speaker 1: lefties is good.
Speaker 2: Look once you get to July and it's just humid
Speaker 2: soup every single day out there. But that was just
Speaker 2: and the same thing kind of bled into it with Monday,
Speaker 2: where you're like this, it's fun to watch this baseball
Speaker 2: team win. I like, especially getting games off the Braves.
Speaker 2: It's just not serious baseball team.
Speaker 1: It's no Gary had a great quote during this one.
Speaker 1: I'm pulling it up real quick because my dad texted
Speaker 1: it to me and I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: we talked about it. Oh. He said that basically like,
Speaker 1: even though the Mets suck in moments like these, it's
Speaker 1: nice to like not care to just like enjoy that
Speaker 1: the Mets win a game against the Atlanta Braves. I
Speaker 1: even tweeted that on Sunday, where like, after all the
Speaker 1: chaos and whatnot, it's always nice to beat the Braves. Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I think, like I understand a certain part of the
Speaker 1: fan base is going to throw their hands and go
Speaker 1: crazy and stuff. And I think we've said it a
Speaker 1: couple times on this podcast, but it's like, guys, this
Speaker 1: season is it's not. We're not playing for twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six right now. So like the anger, the upset of
Speaker 1: like quality of play, I'm simply not gonna do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Any of the ranting or yelling that I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: is now, like theoretical process, things are gonna happen with
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, because like, it was fun to see
Speaker 1: the Mets beat the Braves, even though again back to
Speaker 1: back cardiac arrest days, like oh my god, how can
Speaker 1: we blow this? We do one game to come back
Speaker 1: and win. It was sick.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and weird thing too where this looks like Lindor
Speaker 2: will be the lead off hitter against lefties and the
Speaker 2: second he's in that leadoff spot, yeah, bat start night
Speaker 2: and day.
Speaker 1: Compared to one he's further down the or they.
Speaker 2: Don't like them at four And we're gonna talk a
Speaker 2: lot about Francisco Lindor coming up in a little bit.
Speaker 2: And like I said, Bobachett, he raises average like thirteen points.
Speaker 2: This series, he raised ops about fifteen as well. Like
Speaker 2: he's he looks like a very solid baseball player. We're
Speaker 2: getting to a spot with Bobachett whereas he continues to hit,
Speaker 2: and it does seem like he will continue to hit,
Speaker 2: he's gonna back his way into like a three win season,
Speaker 2: three and a half win season, after being complete non entity,
Speaker 2: non factor for two months to begin it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: he's been I mean again, my play my flag moment's
Speaker 2: been just unbelievable timing. He's gonna completely smash the eight
Speaker 2: hundred ops from that point on.
Speaker 1: He's been playing really good baseball. And again he's playing
Speaker 1: a really good third base, which I think is the
Speaker 1: the thing that the Mets probably had the biggest question
Speaker 1: mark about and this week, maybe not them, I think
Speaker 1: they still probably were like, he's gonna hit well enough.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he plays league average defense at third. I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you have forty million unless you
Speaker 2: expect league average defense at least.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean we've seen it to other guys.
Speaker 2: And then again, Carson Bench, he's playing well. We have
Speaker 2: to take these things with us and be able to
Speaker 2: enjoy these little things again. Like Carson bench Adreywing made
Speaker 2: a nice play. Carson made a bad play in this game.
Speaker 2: Idiops watch above six hundred.
Speaker 1: Nice until tomorrow. What else? Chrisius Galver has a couple
Speaker 1: of big hits.
Speaker 2: Luis Rentz the big hit when he looked like the
Speaker 2: mess were really gonna die, and then he's laced the
Speaker 2: double off of Owen Murphy, who was getting his first ever.
Speaker 1: Major league action.
Speaker 2: Also Boba Shitt getting thrown out the plate. That's just
Speaker 2: pissed me off, as USA was completely falling apart. He's
Speaker 2: himself shockingly slow. Yeah, and I don't think it shocked.
Speaker 1: He's very well known. How slowly. Let's get him and
Speaker 1: Tim Reim to do a forty yard dash raced against
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: I don't want to ever hear Tim Riem's name again,
Speaker 2: No more than so with Tim Riem is not even funny.
Speaker 1: We just don't.
Speaker 2: Like someone had the viral tweets like it's a country,
Speaker 2: three hundred million people. We have no one better than
Speaker 2: Tim Riem. Really we really don't. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you got to help much. You guys keep up with us.
Speaker 1: Socked not good, No, not particularly interested in to shout
Speaker 1: out Luke Weaver nails as always. I know he gave
Speaker 1: him the run, but yeah, kind of he made really
Speaker 1: really really sweaty. He still hasn't given a Nerd run
Speaker 1: in what like two months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think since the next we're in the series
Speaker 2: against the Hawks, he is getting traded possibly.
Speaker 1: I think that is well. He said, we have anything
Speaker 1: else to talk through right now. Senga looked okay when
Speaker 1: he pitched. He did besides psess for the home run,
Speaker 1: but everything else was okay. Like that's another guy. Talk
Speaker 1: about Showcase for relief roll. Yeah, Showcase for the relief roll,
Speaker 1: big time for Senga. Jeffrey On got added to the
Speaker 1: forty man roster, which I can't wait to see him
Speaker 1: get to the major league, major leagues. He's going to
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Also, we saw what's his name, Guilow Guilow Zee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got called up. There's like ninety eight, so like
Speaker 1: I like to see that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And when the Mets came back and then night that
Speaker 2: came back, Yeah, and they came back to the ninth
Speaker 2: inning on Monday, that was rice like Glacier's first blown
Speaker 2: save this season.
Speaker 1: I love to see that anytime we can hurt the Braves,
Speaker 1: like I know we're hearting the Braves, helps the Phillies,
Speaker 1: the lesser of two evils, whatever it is. I like
Speaker 1: just playing spoiler when we have the opportunity to play
Speaker 1: it just yet. You just have to play the game
Speaker 1: in front of you. And lots of successful challenges in
Speaker 1: this game on Monday, heaps of them, so they had
Speaker 1: a great shows. Don't look at overhits from the first inning,
Speaker 1: don't look at that one or Mark Fiante's from the
Speaker 1: other night, but that went very vile from mets up account.
Speaker 1: Brard shout out the intern there.
Speaker 2: But so, although had a few cocky challenges in the series,
Speaker 2: which is nice because he's been oddy bad challenges have
Speaker 2: been way too.
Speaker 1: In the weeds of challenge data.
Speaker 2: Is just because I want to find it any way
Speaker 2: possible to keep flaming Mark Fiantos, so he deserves it
Speaker 2: every single second. But I just I like seeing the
Speaker 2: top of this order actually play well cohesively together like
Speaker 2: they did most of this series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the when when those guys are healthy and
Speaker 1: in the line together, there they are scoring runs that
Speaker 1: top the orders moving and Mauricio frez Baz. It looks
Speaker 1: most of the time, need to get a big hit
Speaker 1: and then standing to help push that rally along. But
Speaker 1: good little series for the Mets. Overall split with the Braves.
Speaker 1: Never gonna be upset. But this is the last place
Speaker 1: in New York Mets they're not good. No, that's it.
Speaker 1: Now for some of the real stuff here. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: fun stuff? Which way? What do you want to go first?
Speaker 2: You want to do trade deadline talk first or jumping
Speaker 2: right into media marvels. Let's jump into media marvel because
Speaker 2: it will lead into trade deadline talk. So lead into
Speaker 2: series trade deadline talk. We're gonna start that with nonsense
Speaker 2: trade dead Yeah, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna start off with nonsense trade deadline talk because I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I understand everybody's got to be out there get their clicks.
Speaker 1: But we got to talk about Mike Francesa and we
Speaker 1: got to talk about boomersiasin because I think frances dropped
Speaker 1: an entire podcast about the state of the Mets and
Speaker 1: is reiterating that solo Indors relationship is not good in
Speaker 1: the metal trade. Lindor at like basically any costs are
Speaker 1: looking to move him, which if we're gonna take anything
Speaker 1: from this podcast today. I hope it's you guys take
Speaker 1: that Mike Francisa has no inside information to the New
Speaker 1: York Mets whatsoever. Steve Cohen saying the thing that he
Speaker 1: said last week on the show has completely turned this
Speaker 1: into a massive, massive clusterfuck. And it's crazy that he
Speaker 1: said it. I was listening to WFA anim I drive
Speaker 1: back from Jersey today Jersey to Astoria, Evan Roberts and
Speaker 1: Tiki Barber did a great job. Roberts, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: he's really pushing that. Cohen should have never said it.
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit, It doesn't matter. These guys are
Speaker 1: clearly fine now we've seen them this year. They seem
Speaker 1: to interact just fine together. But the whole like the
Speaker 1: Mets are gonna tear it down and Francisco Lindor is
Speaker 1: gonna be out. Boomer Science is talking about how the
Speaker 1: Mets will better off trading Francisco Indoor they have to trade.
Speaker 1: I'm like, when are are we going to get to
Speaker 1: the point where we stop listening to non baseball people
Speaker 1: talk about baseball, or people that have no clue about
Speaker 1: what's going on in baseball talk about Baseball.
Speaker 2: I think that is just the nature of the beast
Speaker 2: right now, in a lost season like this, with the
Speaker 2: kind of expectations, with the kind of star power, and
Speaker 2: with the kind of just to claim the Mets still
Speaker 2: always get Like Mets for clicks is a real thing.
Speaker 2: You could talk about the Mets. You can talk about
Speaker 2: the Mets and make may you know, living off it.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people right now like
Speaker 2: it's become such an easy target because again, a couple
Speaker 2: of different things can be true here, like Facisco Lindora
Speaker 2: has been a lightning ride the whole time he's been
Speaker 2: on the Mets, been incredible. He's very good also being
Speaker 2: the center of attention and whether or not that be
Speaker 2: his fault someone else's fault, again his own fault sometimes
Speaker 2: this particular time, his owner's fault. We even forgot about
Speaker 2: the quote from so Though on Friday about him and
Speaker 2: Francisco Lindor. You don't kiss the girl on the first date, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what happened there and judging the first date but.
Speaker 1: Tugging down his throat.
Speaker 2: When you meet a girl, you don't start kissing her
Speaker 2: right away. But it is interesting how different there certain
Speaker 2: reports are about the nature of these guys relationship where
Speaker 2: the whole time it's either forget these guys just simply coworkers. Yes,
Speaker 2: these players were met without the intention of being best friends.
Speaker 2: The two guys who from different different places in the world,
Speaker 2: different upbringings, different stages.
Speaker 1: Of their life.
Speaker 2: It's like you never ever have to speak to the
Speaker 2: other guy off the field, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: And by all accounts, whether it be good, bad, chili
Speaker 1: and different, it doesn't seem like it's the one thing
Speaker 1: that's driving this team apart. It really does not at all.
Speaker 1: If it is, we do have a roster of the
Speaker 1: softest players in the league. Because there have been teams
Speaker 1: that hate each other. There have been successful Mets teams
Speaker 1: that had dislike towards each other. The Agy six Mets,
Speaker 1: they brawled with each other, they had fights, there was
Speaker 1: any there, and the other guys like they were just
Speaker 1: ready to fight anybody at any moment. So it is
Speaker 1: always so funny to me when it feels like Mets fans,
Speaker 1: I mean the Ay six team one. So that's why
Speaker 1: nobody brings it up. But like we have proof that
Speaker 1: these guys don't need to be better friends. It's not
Speaker 1: important at all whatsoever.
Speaker 2: The dynamic is weirdly and again we were kids at
Speaker 2: the times, but I do remember it starting to become
Speaker 2: like real sentient with baseball knowledge. It does remind me
Speaker 2: a little bit of the way that the New York
Speaker 2: media was specifically talking about Gether.
Speaker 1: In a Rod very much so where it's kawin. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean once, yeah, I know, but I'll take one.
Speaker 1: Take that. I'll take one. I'll take one trade everyone.
Speaker 1: I don't care what happens. Have the rest of my
Speaker 1: life after that.
Speaker 2: But it does kind of have that vibe to it, which,
Speaker 2: again I don't think it's a good thing, but it
Speaker 2: does feel like it's something where like we said at
Speaker 2: the top, if you continue to stroke these flames, they
Speaker 2: will continue to build a fire. Yes, so and all
Speaker 2: these a lot of the guys were talking about, not
Speaker 2: Evan Roberts, because Evan is great and he fights a
Speaker 2: good fri real met fan. Yeah, but like Boomer Sisen,
Speaker 2: he patently doesn't know anything about baseball.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, do you want to hear One of the
Speaker 1: funniest replies I got about my thing? So I quote
Speaker 1: tweeted the Boomer video, I said, I really wish people
Speaker 1: were zero baseball knowledge, would stop talking about baseball, Mets
Speaker 1: or not, should not and will not be trading Francisco Lindor.
Speaker 1: Someone replied to me and said, so, the former proportional
Speaker 1: professional athlete who hosted the number one sports talk radio
Speaker 1: show in New York for twenty years doesn't know baseball,
Speaker 1: got it? I'm like, I mean, he's a great radio host,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. He's good at the job
Speaker 1: he does. But why does that make him qualified to
Speaker 1: talk about baseball? And then this guy replied and said,
Speaker 1: because Boomer Sisen won the Yastremsky Award for best Baseball
Speaker 1: Player on Long Island in high school. That's why he's qualified. Like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, could you, James? You did you ever win
Speaker 1: like a Great Reader Reader Award elementary school? I want some?
Speaker 1: I want some nonsense Social Studies Award middle school? What
Speaker 1: the fuck was it? You? You surely then can give
Speaker 1: out the Pulitzer Prize every single year. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: run for Congress next week.
Speaker 2: But there's I don't know, there's still so many angles
Speaker 2: to it. Those still just because like when I we
Speaker 2: talk about Francisco Inndoor online or in the show in
Speaker 2: our comments section, like people still talk about like the
Speaker 2: thumbs down thingvisive, Like there's a section of Mets fans
Speaker 2: that has complete Francisco Lindord's arrangement syndrome where they don't
Speaker 2: watch him. But then the flip side of this, let
Speaker 2: me give me, give me ten percent of a devil's
Speaker 2: advocacy here. I don't think they're going to trade ciscal indoor,
Speaker 2: of course not. It's definitely not gonna happen to trade deadline.
Speaker 2: And this is the other thing that gets lost in
Speaker 2: the public, and we talk about this a lot, especial
Speaker 2: when do the wind up. We're talking about tair Scooble
Speaker 2: all trades in general. I don't think a ciscal indoor
Speaker 2: is my trade value at all.
Speaker 1: I think he does, and he doesn't. Like here's here's
Speaker 1: the thing. For a team that's trying to win right now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't care about money, you would happily take him.
Speaker 1: Like if which the team is that, if the Dodger
Speaker 1: would probably be the Yankees, if anybody, if anybody, that
Speaker 1: won't happen. It's not going to happen, of course it's not.
Speaker 1: And like if the Dodgers didn't have a shortstop, they
Speaker 1: would totally do it, but like, there's no teams that
Speaker 1: really make sense monetarily to trade him to that actually
Speaker 1: are going to like the Red Sox gonna do it,
Speaker 1: Like No, probably not.
Speaker 2: I'm saying again, he's just when you have a player
Speaker 2: who's still due five years at thirty two million dollars
Speaker 2: whatever it is thirty four million right now in Baseball
Speaker 2: Reference because I was looking at it today, he's just
Speaker 2: some deferred money.
Speaker 1: Okay, so before I guess without deferrals or anything, it's
Speaker 1: through twenty thirty one hundred and seventy million dollars. And
Speaker 1: again it's a nonsense conversation, but just saying, usually when
Speaker 1: you have of middlandfielders who franciscal Indoor is still quite
Speaker 1: a good defender, but I think it's clear his best
Speaker 1: defensive days are behind him because he's turning thirty three
Speaker 1: years old at the end of the season. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is not Bobbywit Junior at shortstop anymore, but he is
Speaker 1: still one of the better defensive shortstop. He's still a
Speaker 1: plus defensive shortstop, and I think that's getting very much
Speaker 1: lost in this whole conversation right now because people see
Speaker 1: errors and just assume that you're washed and it's not happening.
Speaker 1: For ciscal Indoor right now still has a positive OAA
Speaker 1: in a very very small sample, and I feel like
Speaker 1: people can point to errors he's made from the start
Speaker 1: of the year. So like again, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a classic. Like Nerds, jocktings, my eyes told me he's
Speaker 1: not as good at shortstop anymore. The numbers don't. The
Speaker 1: numbers back him up that he's still a plus defender
Speaker 1: at shortstop.
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Speaker 2: We're also in just such a fever pitch of like
Speaker 2: nerd jock stuff and again so much. We did the
Speaker 2: Eric Schavis episode with you guys last week, really fun.
Speaker 2: Love the replies to that, but that was like the
Speaker 2: epitome the ner jock stuff where he's like, this is
Speaker 2: how you should do baseball because I did baseball.
Speaker 1: Well, where it's like, that's not really true. It's happening
Speaker 1: with Jalen Brown right now.
Speaker 2: It's happening because every single day there is so disgruntled
Speaker 2: former player who's complaining about the way the lost is
Speaker 2: ready and it's just it's a nonsense argument and it's
Speaker 2: blatantly untrue. But at the same time, Francisco Lindora's probably
Speaker 2: already had his best season as.
Speaker 1: A met totally I and and like I got into
Speaker 1: arguments with people about that today too. They're like, you're
Speaker 1: not understanding he's gonna get worse with me, So then
Speaker 1: you can't. You don't hold on Do you think they
Speaker 1: don't know that? Yeah, you don't hold on to any
Speaker 1: fucking player. Then as soon as bad bad year, get
Speaker 1: rid of him. And then here's the other thing for
Speaker 1: everyone out there, who the fuck is going to play
Speaker 1: shortstop for this team? There is not a shortstop within
Speaker 1: within years of being ready to play shortstop. You want
Speaker 1: to see Ronnie Mauricso every day you're gonna be the
Speaker 1: same fucking moron who goes insane screaming about bying Ronnie
Speaker 1: Maurice you at shortstop. This guy fucking sucks. He doesn't
Speaker 1: play the game the right way, Like you can't have
Speaker 1: it both ways. And I'm I love being a Mets fan.
Speaker 1: I love the Mets fans that listen to Mets Up.
Speaker 1: But we are getting to a dangerous point right now
Speaker 1: as a fan base. We're we're turning into fucking spoiled brats.
Speaker 1: It's so annoying. It's also the reverse of the lodge
Speaker 1: of why.
Speaker 2: People are upset about dumping Nimo and Alonzo, because those
Speaker 2: are also guys who were definitely so much indoor, but
Speaker 2: that I'm talking about both sides of the mouth for a second. Here,
Speaker 2: those are guys that were past their prime and based
Speaker 2: on the contracts that they have on top of it,
Speaker 2: you could see the way to Jalen Brown, and there
Speaker 2: was gonna be dead money relative to player value over
Speaker 2: the course. And I still don't know if that's totally
Speaker 2: true references condor because of the total bargain is contracts
Speaker 2: turned into where as a plus defender the preimposition and
Speaker 2: a guy who I still think will profile is twenty percent.
Speaker 1: Better than the gaverage for a couple of years, two
Speaker 1: or three more years up this year, he's up. Bad handmate,
Speaker 1: He's gonna wind He's a bad handmate and a bad calf.
Speaker 1: He's gonna wind up's wanting want so the bad distcourse too.
Speaker 1: But I think also he's playing the whole year with
Speaker 1: a bad calf and he looks phenomenal whatever. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, when you did trade those two guys
Speaker 1: and you kind of repositioned your contending window. They didn't
Speaker 1: do that intentionally, but now we've seen the fallout that
Speaker 1: they have. He's not on the timeline of theoretically the
Speaker 1: rest of the roster. But then also at the same time,
Speaker 1: like you said, there's no there's no shortstop replacements. Like
Speaker 1: if you guys look at this'll grow on trees the
Speaker 1: fridge because old guys don't play shortstop. Because of the
Speaker 1: rules for Major League Baseball free agency, guy waits six
Speaker 1: years to be a free agent. So generally if you
Speaker 1: come up between twenty three and twenty five, not hitting
Speaker 1: fre agency till you're around thirty, and usually when you're thirty,
Speaker 1: Francisco indors anomaly because he's probably going to be a
Speaker 1: first Battle Hall of Fame or won the best players
Speaker 1: he's ever played position in the history of the game.
Speaker 1: That's so you can actually last in the position.
Speaker 2: But like you want, you want Hassan Kim playing shortstop,
Speaker 2: Like that's what it becomes when you need a free
Speaker 2: agent short stop.
Speaker 1: I got a short stop where you can have Anthony
Speaker 1: Volpi probably by the next year, if you'd really want
Speaker 1: a SHORTSTOPA he's another one where he does get perpetually
Speaker 1: underrated because now he's playing good defense. Again, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: he's perfectly valuable. And there's again like the good shortstops,
Speaker 1: they're not going anywhere. Good shortstops don't get moved. It's
Speaker 1: not how it happens. And then you're gonna pick from
Speaker 1: the rest of the litter, which is like, oh, you
Speaker 1: could have Jose Cabaliro, then when he becomes a free agent,
Speaker 1: like you can have all these other options who are
Speaker 1: not nearly as good, like Lindor is having a bad
Speaker 1: offensive start to the season. He's a better hitter than
Speaker 1: all the guys that we just mentioned and a better field.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that's just like so crazy to
Speaker 1: me too, is just about how like we talked about
Speaker 1: this when we first signed Francisco Lindoor and how this
Speaker 1: we loved the contract from the start. We thought it
Speaker 1: was a great signing when we signed. We signedim at
Speaker 1: twenty seven, so we got a bunch of years out
Speaker 1: of him. He's gonna be able to play second base.
Speaker 1: I feel like at an elite level as soon as
Speaker 1: shortstop falls off, Like, there's nothing that shows us that
Speaker 1: he won't be a phenomenal second baseman. Where where's the problem?
Speaker 1: Also the money conversation, he's here, he's not our money.
Speaker 1: He's going to be better than the guys that we
Speaker 1: trade away for similar money. Like over these next five years,
Speaker 1: he's making similar money to Pete Alonzo. That's insane and
Speaker 1: yeah right, and dollars per war is something that kind
Speaker 1: of gets overanalyzed, but usually what's accepted the most simple
Speaker 1: way possible is eight million dollars per war. So for Cisco,
Speaker 1: Indoor winds up sitting between four and five wins above
Speaker 1: replacement per year, which I still think he'll be able
Speaker 1: to do in perpetuity as a plus defender, at least
Speaker 1: when he becomes an average defender shortstoped then a plus
Speaker 1: defender at second base. While being even at that point
Speaker 1: fifteen percent better league average with the bat and being
Speaker 1: a good bass runner, You're still getting that every single year.
Speaker 1: Like this contract is so unbelievably good. For some reason,
Speaker 1: Mets fans have this weird feeling about it. I don't
Speaker 1: think they realize how long ago it was, and how
Speaker 1: much more money other players make now you have, and
Speaker 1: how valuable Franciscal Lindoor really is. Like he's he's going
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame with a Mets have on
Speaker 1: as long as we don't trade him. I love to
Speaker 1: trade in the next the next twelve months, but that's
Speaker 1: I think he just passed the guardians for games played.
Speaker 1: He did earlier this season, but he's it's just it's
Speaker 1: very annoying that his name and again shame on us
Speaker 1: maybe for eating the trash and doing this whole thing
Speaker 1: about it, but it's just it's frustrating the way that
Speaker 1: these talking heads kind of take this kind of twist
Speaker 1: around who Francisco Indoor is as a baseball player, and
Speaker 1: I say this, I'll give I'll give one morsel to
Speaker 1: the other side, just the fact that there's been claub
Speaker 1: Pouse chaos, but the Mets always Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: Franciscal Indoor is really.
Speaker 2: The most additive person. Maybe sometimes chemistry wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're if we're gonna take that other side,
Speaker 1: and I think that's again, if there was a player
Speaker 1: who was this all time great on your team, face
Speaker 1: of the franchise for the first few years, you would
Speaker 1: hope that some real era of culture was usher than
Speaker 1: if you want to say Francisco Indoor fell short on
Speaker 1: that part of his promise or for sure, but every
Speaker 1: single thing on the field has been absolutely above and
Speaker 1: beyond every single step of the way, and there's not
Speaker 1: even a shadow of it. Doubt and trying to deny
Speaker 1: that in six seasons with the Mets, including this shortened
Speaker 1: one twenty eight War, and six season with the Guardians,
Speaker 1: including a short one in Cleveland twenty eight war like,
Speaker 1: he's been unbelievably good with the Mets, and I just
Speaker 1: I can't get behind the Francisco indoor hate. We've never
Speaker 1: been behind it. I think it's a moronic conversation, truthfully,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Becomes especially frustrating that all this stuff has to come
Speaker 2: back out because the owner made a flipping comment to
Speaker 2: the media and.
Speaker 1: Then the fuck did he say that? And then again,
Speaker 1: I think we said that before. He's just hanging out
Speaker 1: with two dudes, like they're come from the same place,
Speaker 1: they're the same age. They're just kind of chopping it up.
Speaker 1: What's crazy to me is that when we worked for
Speaker 1: the team, we had to be more careful about the
Speaker 1: stuff that we said. Then the owner of the organization,
Speaker 1: I understand, no shit, dude, but what you are, but
Speaker 1: what he says actually is important. It will get used
Speaker 1: what we said. Nobody would fucking care. That's just my
Speaker 1: whole point.
Speaker 2: And the fact that this should be a time not
Speaker 2: saying the professional athletes should be relaxing but like we said.
Speaker 1: Everyone's away, this season's over, right, Yes, you it should
Speaker 1: be a great time to fade to the background, try
Speaker 1: and build some culture and chemistry heading into the next season.
Speaker 1: Evaluate what's going on instead. On Friday Night, Will Salmon
Speaker 1: has to come out with a massive inside the piece
Speaker 1: about the nature of these guys relationship where he had
Speaker 1: quotes from them. Clearly he was talking to other people
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse, like the fact that because Steve Cohen
Speaker 1: had to say this and that's to become the thing again,
Speaker 1: wasn't the thing for the last few months. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing at all. Nobody was talking about it first
Speaker 1: and now again these guys have to when everything else
Speaker 1: is going on, all this other chaos and bullshit with
Speaker 1: the team, they still have to answer questions about this.
Speaker 1: And just as the quotes this from one and so
Speaker 1: though on Friday there were no issues last year at all,
Speaker 1: we didn't have any beef for anything. Our relationship is
Speaker 1: getting better because that takes time. When you meet the girl,
Speaker 1: you don't start kissing her right away. Door added. The
Speaker 1: more time we spend together is only naturally our relationship
Speaker 1: continues to grow.
Speaker 2: We've been teammates for two years times on our side,
Speaker 2: I had nothing but respect for him. He's my brother,
Speaker 2: somebody respected from a distance, and I respect here on
Speaker 2: the inside.
Speaker 1: And I do think ultimately like all this nonsense and
Speaker 1: everything going on with their relationship, if the Mets just
Speaker 1: didn't fucking stink last year and stink this year, this
Speaker 1: is such a non starter because if the team wins,
Speaker 1: nobody looks at relationships on the team, No one cares.
Speaker 1: John Lackey and Josh Becker were great friends. Were drink
Speaker 1: and beers. Yeah, I mean good friends. Two good friends
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. Remember the cookie club with the Mets.
Speaker 1: They won a lot of games because they were really
Speaker 1: good friends. This guys suck all.
Speaker 2: The friendship really got us a long way. And again
Speaker 2: moreland door stuff here. The more time is well. A
Speaker 2: club source corroborates the relationship appears in better standing. So
Speaker 2: Lindor dynamic has lingered for two seasons after the mess
Speaker 2: disappointing end last season, they adle Lotic reported a personality
Speaker 2: clash between them. New York Postals report the two players
Speaker 2: had a chili relationship. That's not that weird inside of
Speaker 2: a baseball optics, So okay, it's not optimal.
Speaker 1: No, I wish they were the best of friends. I
Speaker 1: wish they were great. That would be awesome. But like
Speaker 1: the fact, this is only a story, like you said,
Speaker 1: because the team's ass in a season where they hated
Speaker 1: each other. Let's go to the absolute neck. If they
Speaker 1: hated each other's guts. Juan Soto had maybe the best
Speaker 1: season of his career, and Francisco Lindor went thirty thirty thirty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like pretty good. And then if everything, if everything else
Speaker 1: everyone else was saying was true, If Lindor and and
Speaker 1: you know, Neimo and Alonzo, with these big time leaders,
Speaker 1: could they help mend for everybody else? Yeah? What went
Speaker 1: on there? Get those two again?
Speaker 2: If those two guys being kind of just a little
Speaker 2: bit okay with each other fractures the whole locker room,
Speaker 2: that is kind of a bet reflection everybody else as well.
Speaker 2: And the manager who got fired, who everyone keeps defending.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was absolutely ridiculous. So in our opinion, Francisco
Speaker 1: Lindor does not get traded because it would be quite
Speaker 1: literally one of the dumbest moves that David Stearns could
Speaker 1: make in a litany of dumb moves. He's made. There's
Speaker 1: just absolutely no one else you could play short stuff. No,
Speaker 1: and for the next five years what would wind up happening?
Speaker 2: So like just really put the tinfoil cap on, like
Speaker 2: who's theoretical, let's let's play.
Speaker 1: Let's Evan Roberts gave a great one. Was Mason Winn No? Oh, no,
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about who the trade would be.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, who who could you ever even get right
Speaker 2: now in the league to be your shortstop?
Speaker 1: Anthony Volpy Mason win just because JJ Weatherholle could probably
Speaker 1: play shortstop, probably very well. Jeremy Panya. Maybe you trade
Speaker 1: him for Cory Seeger because Cory Seger hates being on
Speaker 1: the Rangers. Let's get that's those two guys would first thing.
Speaker 1: They'd be so happy. Those guys a great relationship. They
Speaker 1: definitely want so much. Those two do hate each other
Speaker 1: and they.
Speaker 2: Still won a World Series. That doesn't it just really
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But it's a knowing that the drama has
Speaker 2: to come back out.
Speaker 1: He can't play short anymore.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: But that was the one that Roberts was like, that
Speaker 1: was the only thing that would ever make sense. Is
Speaker 1: like you the Mets hate Lindor so much, they're like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, let's trade bad contracts. If we think that's
Speaker 1: what it is. Put Jackson Merrill back to shortstop could
Speaker 1: be that. I mean, it's horrible too, It's terrible.
Speaker 2: It's just you don't don't really trade shortstops like in
Speaker 2: the NFL, trading quarterbacks like it's the most valuable position
Speaker 2: for a reason.
Speaker 1: That's why it was so insane when Francisco and Lindor
Speaker 1: got traded to the New York Mets for garbage, for
Speaker 1: nothing at all, not load of ship, the backup third
Speaker 1: basement for the Yankees. Andresey Menez and the Mets are
Speaker 1: great defender andrese Menez. He can't hit it shortstop.
Speaker 2: That's that that subset of Mets fans, and you don't
Speaker 2: really realize what you got right now.
Speaker 1: Someone told me the Mets would like Bishett at shortstop
Speaker 1: with a new third basement over Lindor. I was like, fuck, no,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? And then someone told me
Speaker 1: that it's uh. Tried to compare Lindor to Nemo, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, their contracts could be relatively similar if you
Speaker 1: think they're the same player. I don't know what sport
Speaker 1: we've been watching. No, it's not even closed. Nimo has
Speaker 1: been way in the tubes. Don't tell you, don't tell anybody.
Speaker 1: We gotta give lons of the credit. Get great, He's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna keep hitting.
Speaker 2: So because TLDRS people saying the mesa trade, Nemo, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You mean Lindor lind orchie jumble in my head right now.
Speaker 2: You're also not getting much for him to trade because
Speaker 2: he knowed so much money and he is past his
Speaker 2: best years for sure, and you have no replacement in house.
Speaker 2: So again one two three, this makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no sense whatsoever. All right, now to the other
Speaker 1: trades stuff, real trade deadline talk now, things that actually
Speaker 1: could happen. And I feel like the biggest name to
Speaker 1: talk about is, for instance, Gualvarez slash Luise Torenz, which
Speaker 1: I think Alvarez is to get people in the door
Speaker 1: for Louise Torenz. Fun fact, I think, no.
Speaker 2: Matter what, there's definitely smoke to this because this again
Speaker 2: Will Salmon has has taken the mentally, he's the insiders
Speaker 2: inside there for this team. So this getting out that
Speaker 2: means someone wanted it out.
Speaker 1: He absolutely cocks the como.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little different when you're MLB dot
Speaker 2: com because that's film that's kind of state media, and
Speaker 2: then versus when you're like a reporter for the athletic
Speaker 2: incredibly different environment. I feel like shout out Will Salmon,
Speaker 2: shadow Will, And as you said right here and again,
Speaker 2: I don't for bed Films information because it was a
Speaker 2: gift free article for non athletics subscribers. Gefer seems to
Speaker 2: be available, and this is at least more available than
Speaker 2: he's ever been available.
Speaker 1: He's available, you want to make a call. And I
Speaker 1: think there's also probably a measures to the league that
Speaker 1: the Mets are kind of willing to trade anybody except
Speaker 1: Francisco Indoor on.
Speaker 2: And so again that's why when Mike Francesca says these things,
Speaker 2: but Will Salmon, who's seems to be the most in
Speaker 2: the know of anybody there, he says those things. Even
Speaker 2: forgot the Steve con even said we're not trading Francisco
Speaker 2: Indoor on that same podcast, which is insane.
Speaker 1: He had to even say that just for context. Don't
Speaker 1: you guys think that if Will Salmon had news that
Speaker 1: the Mets were maybe considering trading Francisco lindor he'd write
Speaker 1: that article because it would get one hundred thousand clicks.
Speaker 1: And also, if the Mets actually were considering it, don't
Speaker 1: you think they would want it to get out there
Speaker 1: so they would actually be able to drum up a
Speaker 1: big bidding war because he also has a full note
Speaker 1: trade close by the way they owned that kicked in
Speaker 1: this season. It's for the gapp digress, Francisco Alvarez. This
Speaker 1: does make it interesting.
Speaker 2: I think that we were definitely still big for Ciscqualvarez guys,
Speaker 2: and I think that much more so in a lot
Speaker 2: of other fans. I always love reading the comments under
Speaker 2: stuff like this, and the comments were like trade Franciscualaveras.
Speaker 2: Who would even give up something for Francisco alvers It's
Speaker 2: very much missing the point of what Francisco Alvarez is
Speaker 2: and where his skill set fits into the wider league context.
Speaker 1: Also, who would give up something for Francisca Alvera's He
Speaker 1: might be the guy who gets us the most back
Speaker 1: in the trade deadline if he were to be moved.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason why I think that the Mets
Speaker 1: would ever consider trading him is that there might be
Speaker 1: a package that comes back where you almost have to
Speaker 1: make this trade for a guy who we think is
Speaker 1: still going to be a great player, but has injury
Speaker 1: problems for sure, and has been inconsistent at times at
Speaker 1: the plate, especially on the power side, and with some
Speaker 1: other big major league from major league trades have happened
Speaker 1: in the last few years. Was it right for that?
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give me a couple of minutes
Speaker 1: to think about it. Risk keep in your back pocket.
Speaker 1: The biggest problem that I have with the idea of
Speaker 1: trading Francisco Alvarez is similar to our other Francisco, who
Speaker 1: the fuck's gonna catch?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again similar to why he'd be so valuable
Speaker 2: in the trade. Like catchers who hit you have the
Speaker 2: legit power do not grow on trees it catchers who
Speaker 2: league average do not grow on trees. The way Francisco
Speaker 2: Alvarez trade to me makes sense is if the team
Speaker 2: is just really dead on him actually being a catcher.
Speaker 1: Which is maybe the only thing, because if Princess Guaverras
Speaker 1: does not play catcher, his value is absolutely crushed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes complete in the tubes because he's not
Speaker 2: big enough to be a first baseman. No, I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's liberal enough to be like a third
Speaker 2: base oldes.
Speaker 1: Who played a little second base when he was growing up.
Speaker 2: That's the one that actually could make sense for him,
Speaker 2: prinsus squivers that those double plays would be a complete
Speaker 2: adventure every time.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you could stick for sus
Speaker 1: squeal fors in the outfield.
Speaker 2: But like so that becomes a big part of this
Speaker 2: because he doesn't hit enough to be a negative value defensively.
Speaker 2: We like years ago that he was building himself up defensively,
Speaker 2: and he has had moments, flashes, spurts, but it does
Speaker 2: seem like, especially the knee injury, he seems to I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say he's playing through right now, but you taramniskis,
Speaker 2: you come back in six weeks, that will affect you
Speaker 2: behind the plate, That will affect you pop times, that
Speaker 2: will affect the way you get out of your crouch.
Speaker 2: And that seems to be happening with Alparez right now.
Speaker 2: And he's been a bad receiver forever. He's never been
Speaker 2: a good receiver of the ball. Like there were those
Speaker 2: teen tiny little messages that he was getting a lot
Speaker 2: better at it than the second he got to the leagues,
Speaker 2: Like this guy's not very good at this.
Speaker 1: No, he definitely doesn't see the ball particularly well out
Speaker 1: of the pitcher's hands. But the reason you look past
Speaker 1: is because he has the potential to be an elite
Speaker 1: power hitter from behind the dish, and that hasn't developed
Speaker 1: as quickly as we like. But again, it's like the conversation,
Speaker 1: like he's twenty four, he's twenty five, like a lot
Speaker 1: of these players with Dylan Dingler's like, what like twenty
Speaker 1: seven right now? Like, no, I think he's twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I think I think I was was a college kid.
Speaker 1: I think I was a junior when he was a
Speaker 1: fresh mix. I remember watching him. He's turning twenty eight
Speaker 1: this year, Like, yeah, him, don't think the same year.
Speaker 1: He didn't have He didn't become a starting catcher until
Speaker 1: he was twenty six. I think he might have been
Speaker 1: an eerie when he was Francisco obre as his age,
Speaker 1: which is probably a tired thing for us to keep saying,
Speaker 1: but it also is the truth.
Speaker 2: No, it is, and the you just don't trade guys
Speaker 2: like this when they're pre arbitrations. Just it's again, maybe
Speaker 2: not you don't trade guys like this, but it's a
Speaker 2: message to the league that the metsag is incredibly open
Speaker 2: for business, incredibly open for business.
Speaker 1: I do think that the Francisco Alvarez trade, maybe this
Speaker 1: isn't how it works, but I I feel like the
Speaker 1: conversations that we've had with some guys like Zack Scott,
Speaker 1: the way that like we had to talk about how
Speaker 1: trade talks go. I feel like Francisco Alvarez starts the
Speaker 1: conversation to then just trade Louise Torenz because I don't
Speaker 1: like Louise trends. We love him as a backup, but
Speaker 1: also we do have to look at what he is.
Speaker 1: He can't really hit. I know he got the big
Speaker 1: hit in this game, but like a six oh five
Speaker 1: ops is about the best we're gonna see from him.
Speaker 1: And he is great behind the plate, But is that
Speaker 1: really something that you shouldn't cash in on for anything
Speaker 1: at some point?
Speaker 2: He's also thirty and it wouldn't really It shocked me
Speaker 2: when they gave him that extension.
Speaker 1: Shock kind of felt like, kind of not necessary at all.
Speaker 2: I'm good for Maybe it is the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that if you want to really prelude the trade, but
Speaker 2: this answer doesn't. I'm pretty sure the extension does not
Speaker 2: kick until next year because like Will mentioned that article
Speaker 2: like Baseball teams love fixed costs. Yes, the way, because
Speaker 2: Terren's debuted so late, he was still going to be
Speaker 2: in the arbitration system. You just don't really know the
Speaker 2: guy like that's going to be worth I don't.
Speaker 1: Really it's next year five to seven five seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know if he would have been
Speaker 2: worth more than that even arbitration. But I mean, he's
Speaker 2: playing a lot more now. Maybe that was what it is.
Speaker 2: Maybe they realized he's two two in RB last year,
Speaker 2: So that did come right at the time when Alver
Speaker 2: was about to set the mist more time. Yes, so
Speaker 2: maybe they kind of evaluated where his defensive projection was
Speaker 2: and they realized how much war that's worth and how
Speaker 2: much that leads to arbitration.
Speaker 1: They just want to get him under that for this again,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: These front officers are doing things that we on the
Speaker 2: outside of fans don't really keep track of. I digress
Speaker 2: the same time, if there was ever a universe where
Speaker 2: Francisco Alvarez stayed healthy for one hundred and sixty two
Speaker 2: games and he got himself to a nice clean sturdy,
Speaker 2: like four hundred and forty played appearances. Even as a
Speaker 2: bad defender, he would just be like a three win player,
Speaker 2: which would be super valuable. And again, when he's not
Speaker 2: costing you any money and he's popping twenty home runs
Speaker 2: from the six or seven spot in the order, even
Speaker 2: with the big strikeouts in the big spots because swings
Speaker 2: to the defences every time, it's still just a very
Speaker 2: valuable player, archetype that doesn't exist very much in the
Speaker 2: open market, which is why the only reason to trade
Speaker 2: him is if some gives you a huge offer, which
Speaker 2: is why you float that you're thinking about it, Yes.
Speaker 1: Because this is the start the bidding war. Probably doesn't
Speaker 1: end up getting moved, That's what seems like, and I
Speaker 1: do think that again, anyone who's interested in Francisco Alvarez,
Speaker 1: theoretically you can be like, Okay, how about for a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old in the Dominican you get this great
Speaker 1: defensive backup catcher. But also in this piece, Will said
Speaker 1: that it would be a trade where you kind of
Speaker 1: look to Dre trade out of his strength for another
Speaker 1: team's strength to get major league ready talent for Luis Torrenz.
Speaker 1: No for Alvarez. Oh, okay, okay, because also, like, do
Speaker 1: you think I'm sure? I mean, let's see who could
Speaker 1: use a catcher at the Yankees. The Yankee so would
Speaker 1: take one of their million pitchers, Henry Lane. They would
Speaker 1: trade a pitcher for a catcher like that, Okay, catcher.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing about this talk about how rare
Speaker 2: shortstops are moved. Catchers are very rarely moved at the
Speaker 2: trade deadline. Never Lucroi is the big one. And what
Speaker 2: a flop he was after the deadline. What a fucking
Speaker 2: stinker that guy is. Yeah, right, but he's a little stinker.
Speaker 2: And that's also why right now, Jeffers, even with a
Speaker 2: broken handmade bone and even approaching free agency, it's just
Speaker 2: not something that happens. Catcher and shortstop oppositions that very
Speaker 2: often come from within. Yes, so it'd be weird to
Speaker 2: trade the guys that you have from within without very
Speaker 2: obvious replacements. And Mets don't have massive prospects banging down
Speaker 2: the door with these positions, not even close to it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about Vin prod is bating
Speaker 1: average triplet les. No, you just stop.
Speaker 2: It's just not a major league baseball player and the
Speaker 2: Mets the other day, like, if you trade Franciscaulers, this
Speaker 2: basically would be the team giving a huge pot the
Speaker 2: confidence in Chris Suero, which he would become. He would
Speaker 2: be catching in the major leagues in the second half,
Speaker 2: which and he's a thirty percent shreckout rate.
Speaker 1: In Double A. Yeah, that's probably not the best for
Speaker 1: player development, which we know the Mets are going to
Speaker 1: be looking at. It's just it's a very weird situation,
Speaker 1: which again just tells me the Mets would do this
Speaker 1: to try and get some kind of monster offer. And
Speaker 1: Steve did call out David Searns in that in that podcast, saying,
Speaker 1: this time for my front office to be creative because
Speaker 1: they don't want to have another losing season next year.
Speaker 1: And there are so many steps that need to take
Speaker 1: place this roster be in positioned to compete by next season,
Speaker 1: and those steps are probably not trading the Franciscos. Can
Speaker 1: I say some really, I say it discuss disgusting sentence
Speaker 1: right now. They're very much in the trust for you,
Speaker 1: me and all of our friends. I feel like if
Speaker 1: we keep Alvarez, like Alvarez, benj Lindor Soto ewing that
Speaker 1: has the making of a core that you can still
Speaker 1: very much build around. I said that last episode it
Speaker 1: got clips. I'm like, this is an incredibly good like
Speaker 1: set of five guys here I've set of. It's just
Speaker 1: that we have about five hundred layers five hundred feet
Speaker 1: of dog shits around surrounding them right now, and we
Speaker 1: don't have starting pitching Like there are way I think
Speaker 1: both two things can be good. I think there's actually
Speaker 1: a good core on this team, especially for the future,
Speaker 1: and now it's about finding all those ancillary pieces and
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that David Sturtns tried to
Speaker 1: bring in this offseason we're supposed to be that it
Speaker 1: did not work. So I don't know, Like I don't
Speaker 1: feel like from a casual baseball fan or like national
Speaker 1: baseball fan perspective, if you believed in this core going
Speaker 1: into the season and thought the pieces around that they
Speaker 1: brought it were good enough, like I feel like you
Speaker 1: could kind of shock yourself and the believe and did
Speaker 1: to it again.
Speaker 2: I think one hundred percent, I think this team will
Speaker 2: And you didn't even say Bobashett that because he could
Speaker 2: be here, Yeah, you could be here. I mean, I
Speaker 2: still crazy. I don't really don't think he will because
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be out. I think he's
Speaker 2: gonna he's third base has been good enough and his
Speaker 2: bat's gonna be good enough in the second half that
Speaker 2: he's gonna go find a six, seven year contract from somebody.
Speaker 1: These teams are not gonna see like a seven to
Speaker 1: twenty ops from Bobachette and be like oh poo who
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna be like, oh, in the second half
Speaker 1: you had an eleven hundred ops. Yeah, will take you.
Speaker 2: And right now, by far and away, the best free
Speaker 2: agents next season are Jazz Chism and Ryan Jeffers too.
Speaker 1: Good and Jazz Chis was having a horrendous season, and
Speaker 1: ye has is a vesting option. I'll know what that is.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: There's not there's not really like forty there's there's no
Speaker 1: bats out there at all whatsoever. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: very very saying, not that this matters at all right now,
Speaker 1: but just trying to get in the mind of Bobachett
Speaker 1: making his decision. We also got a little bit of
Speaker 1: news on Batty Ursio Vientos that specifically with Beatty they
Speaker 1: met still internally feel like Bret Baidy could be a
Speaker 1: part of the future of this organization, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: is gonna drive people's crazy because utility player, bench guy, yeah,
Speaker 1: part time player, and that trading Mauricio on Vento's right
Speaker 1: now is going to be difficult because they basically have
Speaker 1: zero trade value. Shocker, who saw that one coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was another good note from Ken Rosenthal that
Speaker 2: the Pirates and the Mets are natural trade partners because
Speaker 2: the Pirates this could be something can happen sooner rather
Speaker 2: than later, because the Pirates have the thirty fourth pick,
Speaker 2: a comp a pick in the draft that they want
Speaker 2: to offset the cost of that to their major league roster.
Speaker 1: Right now, which is just fucking poor. Some guys should
Speaker 1: sell the team. But like that, that makes so much
Speaker 1: sense to me for a guy like Brooks Raley, and
Speaker 1: that's paid down the one point eight million of Brooks
Speaker 1: Raley do for the rest of the season. It'll be
Speaker 1: a little bit more right now, because I it happens
Speaker 1: before the draft, you'd be like two point two million
Speaker 1: and you just you get the thirty fourth pick and
Speaker 1: you get to add to your draft pool. That'd be phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I would freak out. If the Mets could do that,
Speaker 1: would love another first round pick. Oh, here's here's the
Speaker 1: fun exercise. Let's name some guys right now and say
Speaker 1: if you think they're gonna be traded. Okay, you're gonna
Speaker 1: come up with the names. Yeah, I'm gonna go in order.
Speaker 1: As I listen the roster resource cour one Boba Schet
Speaker 1: no knowing that the no trade clause and the comments
Speaker 1: that he made about how he wants to stay in
Speaker 1: New York, he also can decide if he wants to
Speaker 1: stay in New York. I don't think that there's a
Speaker 1: world where he's gonna be moved, And it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like teams want to take that option.
Speaker 2: Still, Yeah, I think it would have to be like
Speaker 2: a conditional you are opting out and the Mets, or
Speaker 2: if you're not. If you don't opt out the Mets,
Speaker 2: you have to give us ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the Mets would even do that then.
Speaker 2: And just to comment the comments, Mark was referring to
Speaker 2: Bobashet said to Will Sam in this piece about all
Speaker 2: the trade deadline stuff, I came to New York to
Speaker 2: win the no trade claws.
Speaker 1: There for a reason. I'm just leaving it at that.
Speaker 1: I'd love to trade him, but I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen for a Francisco Lindor, No Jared Young. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe maybe someone wants left him left you bat if
Speaker 1: Jake Bowers gets hurt, he's a brewery. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see that happen. Francisco Alvarez. I don't think he
Speaker 1: gets traded. I don't think so either, But I don't
Speaker 1: even want him to.
Speaker 2: But I actually do see the vision very much, because
Speaker 2: if they really are that sour on his defense, and
Speaker 2: some other team is a little bit desperate to get
Speaker 2: him in there, and they'll care as much about the defense,
Speaker 2: I can see that. See Ramirez right now, a little better, yeah,
Speaker 2: much better defensively, Yeah, but he's a game changer in
Speaker 2: the exact opposite way that is meant to be used.
Speaker 2: He ruins games defensively.
Speaker 1: A catcher, all right. I couldn't speak Brett baby. I
Speaker 1: don't think he gets traded. You know it's gonna want
Speaker 1: that Torrent traded. Yeah, you see that, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna happen. They trade him to the
Speaker 1: Long Island Ducks Mauricio. Someone's gonna take him. Traded, Tyron
Speaker 1: Taylor traded, Freddy traded. How much you think you get?
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get a fringe top one hundred prospect,
Speaker 1: and depending on who the team is and how badly
Speaker 1: they need the pitching, it will be two prospects. Will
Speaker 1: be a fringe top one hundred and a toolsy eighteen
Speaker 1: year old guy. I like that too, And I think
Speaker 1: you might be able to sneak like a top baby prospect,
Speaker 1: which would be sick. I'd love back to the But
Speaker 1: then that's right, Brandon woodris hurt. They need another guy
Speaker 1: to be Alexander Frio. Oh, I wish. I'll never do that.
Speaker 1: Luke Weaver, so it's an interesting one too.
Speaker 2: In Sam's piece, he really emphasized the fact that Mets
Speaker 2: see him as someone that should be in the bullpen
Speaker 2: next year and that acquiring him will require a Hall
Speaker 2: exact quote.
Speaker 1: I think that knowing how much the Mets are now
Speaker 1: thinking about makeup and how you fit in New York,
Speaker 1: the fact that Luke Weaver has done it for both
Speaker 1: New York teams, and Luke Weaver really has been a
Speaker 1: fucking dog for the Mets since like that rough start,
Speaker 1: I think they do value that more than maybe what
Speaker 1: a return could be for a reliever with a year
Speaker 1: and a half of control. But I mentioned traded.
Speaker 2: We'll mention that too, about the fact that it's very
Speaker 2: impressive to club officials how he hit the tubes and
Speaker 2: the rest of the team hit the tubes.
Speaker 1: They went blazing hot.
Speaker 2: He did this for the Yankees two a few years ago,
Speaker 2: and then last year he ended the season poorly and
Speaker 2: still shut up the Mets and played well. He's he's
Speaker 2: a very very very good reliever, right. I just don't
Speaker 2: even a haul that you get for a reliever at
Speaker 2: the deadline unless your name is Mason Miller or Joan Durant, Like,
Speaker 2: unless you're a blockdown, one hundred mile an hour closer.
Speaker 2: You just don't really get massive pieces.
Speaker 1: For guys like that. Camillo de'v all had years and
Speaker 1: years of control and costs nothing, and we thought he
Speaker 1: had some of the nastiest stuff and he was straight
Speaker 1: for garbage.
Speaker 2: And I mean, now seeing Camille Davall and knowing some
Speaker 2: of the things I've heard about Camille Davall, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense why he would.
Speaker 1: Be like, get out of here. Yeah, but uh it is.
Speaker 1: I mean even Bednar traded for relatively nothing, and you
Speaker 1: know he's awesome, He's he's nails. I mean, you want
Speaker 1: to get you want to get triple A catcher. Then
Speaker 1: you can go over the door of the rest of
Speaker 1: these moves. Dude, yank, he's got to have another one, wastcar. No,
Speaker 1: he's staying so much team control, so much team control.
Speaker 1: He's four more years together, They're gonna they're gonna bring
Speaker 1: out Wascar brass Bot in a wheelchair when he's eighty,
Speaker 1: throw some innings, mintor traded. I think he's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent gone him and rarely are great pieces, so point
Speaker 1: five yr a I wish I can't wait to give
Speaker 1: him his final big booms?
Speaker 4: Uh co I.
Speaker 1: Traded? You think who's who's taking Cody's two years left
Speaker 1: the Astros? Oh my god? Maybe actually, like you know,
Speaker 1: everything we did wrong with tattoo and mine, let's try
Speaker 1: his screw up again. I actually have no idea. I
Speaker 1: finding a partner for him is hard, but I do
Speaker 1: think out of the pen he's more interesting. I do
Speaker 1: wonder who's a team that could like really optimize him.
Speaker 1: The Angels would love code. I sanga, No, there's no
Speaker 1: way that that would fit.
Speaker 2: He would just go back, you go back to Japan,
Speaker 2: that situation, that'd be horrible. I guess then the last
Speaker 2: one is really Lewis Roberts traded.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think as long as he's got
Speaker 1: a pulse, it's tough for any team to not I
Speaker 1: guess the money is the problem, but it suffered a
Speaker 1: team to not be intrigued. But also they weren't intrigued
Speaker 1: last offseason, so I mean, I think they were intrigued.
Speaker 1: I think the White Sox ask was very high.
Speaker 2: The Mets right now, knowing how badly they want to
Speaker 2: trade him, not feeling that they were not committed to
Speaker 2: one of the most electric superstars in the game. That
Speaker 2: seems like they helped to squander you kind of just
Speaker 2: trade him if you can. Arbitrage bed in Louis on
Speaker 2: Helicunya like it all worked out.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if that was a win, one of
Speaker 1: the rare wins. Wait, there's more guys we got to
Speaker 1: talk about on here. I gotta play homes. He said
Speaker 1: he's gonna he The next start he wants to make
Speaker 1: is for the major league roster. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they'll let him do that, but it's crazy traded. I
Speaker 1: mean that said off the active roster. Uh, you don't
Speaker 1: think that anyone's gonna want Sean and Iah, I said,
Speaker 1: Sean and I said, no, No, he didn't ask me.
Speaker 2: Sean and Iah said, I also don't know why he's
Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars next year.
Speaker 1: Cee A no Perez throw ninety eight from the left side.
Speaker 1: Guess something for CNL Austin Weaver or Weaver as Warren.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe not. No one will take
Speaker 1: Devin Williams surely. Eric Wackerman, I mean Devin Williams. I'm
Speaker 1: just we don't even talk about Devin Williams mushrooms to night.
Speaker 1: I'm just so mad a guy like him, like his
Speaker 1: his the the airbenders not bending, it was I mean,
Speaker 1: this happened the beginning of the year, was bending, then
Speaker 1: stopped bending. Then he got it back.
Speaker 2: But just it just goes to show why when you
Speaker 2: have a two pitch closer who doesn't have a dominant
Speaker 2: fastball and they kind of throw everything in the same
Speaker 2: spot like, it's just kind of easy for a hitter
Speaker 2: to eventually put you into a box, and the way
Speaker 2: he keeps losing the fastball velocity, and the way that
Speaker 2: pitch just went from the best pitch in baseball is
Speaker 2: just a really good pitch.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we somehow avoid the guy who was in a
Speaker 1: cock fighting ring and also hurt himself, and we got
Speaker 1: the worst options still, and MLB said that I have
Speaker 1: looking into it, and Edwin said, I didn't do anything illegal,
Speaker 1: so there's nothing wrong because cockfight, he's not illegal anymore.
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't get fit coiled there on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I did, but that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: Then this team's gonna get ripped to shrads at the deadline.
Speaker 1: You know what that means? What we're drinking eggs. Ryan
Speaker 1: Lambert's coming up. Ran Laber's com ut to do to
Speaker 1: drink those eggs? Might be the next simmers in the field.
Speaker 1: Stuff's looking good, suffling good. He's throwing strikes, unsure. Never
Speaker 1: there's no way to know Tobias Myers. Is he trade
Speaker 1: Tobias Myers? I just want him to come back up
Speaker 1: and just be a star of the regular I don't
Speaker 1: care about anything else anymore. Do the Mets trade Joanatan, No,
Speaker 1: do you move him in a package to go get
Speaker 1: a somebody who's got a little more cont like two
Speaker 1: three years of control. I could help over the next
Speaker 1: two years more.
Speaker 2: No shot, Just that's that's the kind of thing. I
Speaker 2: don't think he trade and that's it. That's to appreciated
Speaker 2: that much. Just chicken in, that's that's trade.
Speaker 1: Either. That could be a third episode we focus on
Speaker 1: soon players with team control. The met should look at
Speaker 1: Jorge Polanka you think he gets traded?
Speaker 2: Fuck that, I mean he looksx actuly gonna play soon
Speaker 2: few homers. Also, we're gonna the stoppable force will meet
Speaker 2: the movable objects as we had to. Then that next
Speaker 2: series started tomorrow home against the Royals. That's actually home
Speaker 2: this week. Maybe we'll try to get to a game.
Speaker 1: Oh they Oh we have softball tomorrow. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna If you need tickets, shames you let
Speaker 1: me know.
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Then, so who's giving going to pitch tomorrow? It's
Speaker 1: a really good question you just had, which is a
Speaker 1: four game series. We used all the guys. Who is
Speaker 1: gonna pitch? They're gonna call Zach Thornton back up, has
Speaker 1: it been thirteen days. I don't think it has been
Speaker 1: thirteen days yet. So someone could get hurt and sent down,
Speaker 1: and then he could come back up when Coli gets
Speaker 1: bad because he did it on Friday.
Speaker 2: But that was also Who in the world is gonna pitch?
Speaker 2: That's his throat, that code will pitch a bunch. But
Speaker 2: I don't know who's gonna start. Could Tobias come back up?
Speaker 1: Maybe has he been down? No, he hasn't been down
Speaker 1: long enough either, gonna need I don't know. I really
Speaker 1: have no clue. Who's gonna pitch. Maybe it's uh the
Speaker 1: new guy wheelow down and bring up to warde again
Speaker 1: and you throw some innings. Yeah, maybe that's what you do.
Speaker 2: M check the transaction log, see when zach Thorton actually
Speaker 2: got sent down. Maybe this is the plan for him
Speaker 2: to have come back up.
Speaker 1: We did grab that guy, you see, Matt Selinger from
Speaker 1: the Tigers for cash. Apparently he's not bad and also
Speaker 1: has a knuckle variation that he throws. Maybe he just
Speaker 1: pitches tomorrow Wexler, Is he a workload guy? I shout,
Speaker 1: Daniel Wexler, I can't.
Speaker 2: Zach Thorton was optioned on June twenty seventh, So yeah,
Speaker 2: perfect Jack Thornton.
Speaker 1: It looks like he will be promoted tomorrow when he's
Speaker 1: allowed to be. Couldn't couldn't have done it any better myself.
Speaker 1: It's David Stearns through the kneel every time.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 2: So it looks like we get Saxtically we get Zach Thorton,
Speaker 2: go that saying a combination possibly against Seth Lugo. So
Speaker 2: nice homecoming for Seth Luca. Wh'll get a nice let
Speaker 2: video on the board. Oh yeah, of course, Christian Scott
Speaker 2: and ESPN doesn't have anyone for the Royals on Wednesday
Speaker 2: and then Thursday day game Sean and I Michael waka.
Speaker 1: Royals are also really bad? Rules are just The Royals
Speaker 1: are a sad team. They're, like I said, is the
Speaker 1: Mets right now, but for so many different reasons.
Speaker 2: They put up a fifteenth spag Christopher Sanchez though after
Speaker 2: a questionable scoring decision, because mlbn's their golden boy Jacob
Speaker 2: Zerawski to win the cy Young Jack hag Leon's awesome.
Speaker 1: Jack Cuming was awesome.
Speaker 2: He's got a little cold again, but he's still fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean, cold's like relative to him being the hot
Speaker 2: center in baseball two weeks ago. But he's he's awesome,
Speaker 2: coming into his own awesome, just one of the best
Speaker 2: players in baseball.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to watch him do Starling Marte
Speaker 1: home comings gonna be great. Oh, he's gonna get a
Speaker 1: video too. He hits in the hardy orders some days
Speaker 1: for them. It's fourth that really blew my mind. Carter Jensen,
Speaker 1: really good young catcher, really good young catcher.
Speaker 2: Not having the best season, but just kind of you know,
Speaker 2: rookie you sophomore slumping kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that's it. Yeah, is it? They also had
Speaker 1: a weird Monday series ender against the Phillies. What's going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on with Major League Baseball in these schedules?
Speaker 1: Huh No, this is weird.
Speaker 2: The Royals have also had an absolute bullpen catastrophe this season.
Speaker 1: They nobody's pitching well except my guy, Daniel Lynch. They
Speaker 1: tried your boy, Nickmers. I don't think he is either. No,
Speaker 1: Tryers is hurt.
Speaker 2: They tried to plug up a lot of bullpen holes
Speaker 2: with veterans over the last few years, and almost every
Speaker 2: single guys on the part over the over the last bit.
Speaker 1: You were right about the Stromp falloff. Yeah, so Trump's dead.
Speaker 1: That was your guy, and you were like, but not
Speaker 1: with the Royals. It's over and ba and Bowlan has
Speaker 1: been way better with the Phillies, much better. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's I guess all we got for the Royals. I
Speaker 1: think I probably got frank See if you got Frankie Peppers.
Speaker 1: If not, that's okay too, Frankie. I don't know how
Speaker 1: we found an hour here because we're sick in the
Speaker 1: head I had. I had the rant about Boomer. James
Speaker 1: took his headphones off so he doesn't hear me. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: leave a comment on this video and say congratulations to
Speaker 1: James for nothing. He has no clue, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's loading up Frankie peppers. Now for those of you
Speaker 1: listening at home, got the headphones in, what, let's hear
Speaker 1: Frankie Peppers. Here comes frank I hope he left us.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear Frankie before before I go to bed.
Speaker 1: You gotta edit this one. Yeah, that's all right. God, USA,
Speaker 1: what a disappointing game. Huh so bad Frankie pockets ouled me?
Speaker 1: Did you really foul? Though? It's funny, I mean even
Speaker 1: us A corner, US A corner. Who what the joke
Speaker 1: was that? I mean, like, that's exactly how I would
Speaker 1: have expect them to play coming into the World Cup.
Speaker 1: Then they filled those because they played the soft teams,
Speaker 1: and then that was an embarrassing show of ability that
Speaker 1: was that's that took US soccer backs some years. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be like nine people in the world that
Speaker 1: get this reference who are still listening to this right now.
Speaker 1: Nine actually might be stretched might be like two other ones.
Speaker 2: But it's when Ohio State was really good, churning twenty
Speaker 2: twenty get to the national title game after Justin Fields
Speaker 2: RiPPs Clemson apart, and they just.
Speaker 1: They still had was Lee Mikenberg. Was he the linebacker?
Speaker 1: Ohio State had a tradition where they just it was
Speaker 1: always a white male linebacker and Alabama they did the
Speaker 1: jet like the orbit or jet sweep. Every single player
Speaker 1: was with DeVonta Smith and the would either pitch it
Speaker 1: to him or they were throwing the ball on the flat.
Speaker 2: It was a linebacker running around to cover him. And
Speaker 2: it was like, this is the last thing you need
Speaker 2: to fix this if you actually really want to play
Speaker 2: with the real guys out there. And that's just what
Speaker 2: timm Ree was in this game. Like Belgium was like,
Speaker 2: is this a joke? Look at this four year old
Speaker 2: hes slow, he's small. He got bullied every single possession of.
Speaker 1: Least for Charlotte FC. How do we have all these
Speaker 1: guys playing in Europe in one of our main center
Speaker 1: backs is plaguing in the fucking MLS? Is that even
Speaker 1: the MLS? That's the second division? No, THAT'SLS. Okay, just
Speaker 1: has like forty teams now really so many? They expanded
Speaker 1: like they were adding like four teams a year for
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah. Again, it was fun for a moment
Speaker 1: for USA. The battle and stuff is hilarious now respect
Speaker 1: so fucked up now? Yeah, I was like a sorry,
Speaker 1: we messed up the World Cup for you guys. But
Speaker 1: here goes Frankie Peppers frank a Well, I don't like
Speaker 1: hearing Frankie minutes.
Speaker 3: Frankie. I don't know how a split can feel like
Speaker 3: you got swept, but this split where I feel like
Speaker 3: the Mets got swept, I don't know how I feel
Speaker 3: about that. I should talk to like a counselor, especially
Speaker 3: because after what the baseball team has put us through.
Speaker 3: My hot take for this time is all. The met
Speaker 3: should go to therapy. All right, gentlemen, take care, Let's
Speaker 3: go Mets.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's what.
Speaker 3: Let's go Mets.
Speaker 1: Frankie's hot sauce. Take need a little gen Melfie. She
Speaker 1: haven't been watched soprans. This is so funny. First two
Speaker 1: season soprans are incredible comedy, so good, so ridiculously good.
Speaker 1: All right, here's the He's the Mess Up podcast. That's
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Speaker 1: you trade. Deadline is gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: We'll get you guys here. Let's go Mets.
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