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Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks Stories, taking you behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: with your favorite Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: Set back to Bey and Zornher's back to pass as

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Speaker 1: He scores touch down Seahawks powered by Seahawks dot Com.

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Speaker 2: And Zorn laid it in perfectly a Rabel who goes

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Speaker 2: in to score on an eighty yard pass and run play.

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Speaker 1: Now here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve

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Speaker 1: Rayball and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn. Hey, Steve, the thing

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Speaker 1: that I liked about the opening line was it was

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Speaker 1: our favorite Seahawks or your favorite Seahawks. Hey that the

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Speaker 1: announcer said it like it is. You're certainly my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Sea Oh yeah right, yeah, as you are mine, even

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Speaker 2: though you didn't throw me the ball very much. By

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Speaker 2: the way, this is Seahawks Stories in case you're just

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Speaker 2: picking us up here, finding us for the first time.

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Speaker 3: We're really glad to have you along.

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Speaker 2: And it is z Man and yours truly Steve Rabel

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Speaker 2: and we just get we get some time here to

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Speaker 2: talk about you know, there's so much talk, and rightly

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Speaker 2: so there should be. This is a great time for

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Speaker 2: the Seahawks there. You know, the team is young and exciting,

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Speaker 2: and we have a great time doing the broadcast. But

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Speaker 2: it's time to look back a little bit too. You know,

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Speaker 2: there was a foundation that was built low those many

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Speaker 2: years ago. But now this in the forty eighth year

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Speaker 2: of the franchise, and here you and I sit, and

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Speaker 2: we talked last time about those those early years, the

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Speaker 2: like this and both of us interestingly found what we

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Speaker 2: wanted to do in life. And even though you went

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Speaker 3: We both have.

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Speaker 2: Families, wives, the rest of our families are here, and

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Speaker 3: You know, we did.

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Speaker 1: I think that. I do remember as you were moving on,

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Speaker 1: bigger and better things. And I'll never forget why you

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Speaker 1: on I was a Channel nine telethon with the probably

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Speaker 1: think I've ever seen. It's called a tuxedo, yes, but

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Speaker 1: you were on there and you were making your way. Really,

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Speaker 1: And I had to you know, I was chuckling, but

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Speaker 1: as a player.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I told this story many times, but

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Speaker 2: I knew that. You know, there's you can't consider football

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Speaker 2: really a career. It's you know, guys talk about having

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Speaker 2: a great career, and that's and that's true, but that

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Speaker 2: or less. Yeah, okay, and I played six, and so

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Speaker 2: we both beat the odds by a whole bunch. But

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Speaker 1: Did you have to? Did you know you had the

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Speaker 2: but it's like anything else. It's you know, it's you

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Speaker 1: Well, even listening to you last week, you you're going along,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's part of the that's a that's

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Speaker 2: I think last time is that you're painting that picture,

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Speaker 2: you know, I was listening to some of the highlights

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Speaker 1: Not all of the above, but I because you know,

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Speaker 1: Jerry taught me a lot of seeing things, being able

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, Chuck, I'd love to work for the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Leave the area. I want to know merse Ryland. You

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Speaker 1: But there was a coach at Boise State, Skip Hall,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little smaller than a shed.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, so many really good

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Speaker 2: You know, go into coaching, you really understand this stuff.

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Speaker 2: But star players it's not, they don't understand it. But

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, well, yeah, you just start as high as

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Speaker 1: in depth. Probably you would, You might get sick of

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Speaker 1: as far as it's interesting that you talk about who

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Speaker 1: I got. I had the opportunity a few years back

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Speaker 1: very clear early in the in the tenure that first

436
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Speaker 1: year that these these are my coaches. And and they

437
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: were good. They worked, they You're exactly right. They worked

438
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: so hard to try to work the work into the

439
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: vision that I had set. And it was new, it

440
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: was different, you know. Joe Gibbs was a big personality

441
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: in that program. The very first thing I saw were

442
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: three Super Bowl trophies in the case in the entry

443
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: in the entrance of the Redskin facility and they all

444
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: had his name on it, you know, and here I

445
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: am coming in. So yeah, there was some big shoes

446
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: to fill there. And then you know, things happened that

447
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: were honestly out of my control.

448
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: Uh. What do you remember about the five Super Bowl

449
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: run with Mike And.

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Speaker 1: That was a great run? Steve who was with you

451
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: at that time? Who who were both? Yeah in the

452
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: book Warren, Yeah, you guys were. Uh, I'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: When we started that season, a guy named ed Bisters

454
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Speaker 1: came to speak and Todd LAWICKI uh brought him in

455
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: and they had put up in our team meeting room

456
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: this massive picture of Mount Rainier. And every week we won,

457
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: we got a carabiner, right, and we hooked them together.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that I do?

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Speaker 2: By the way, for those of you out there, carabiners

460
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: are those little oval shaped they clip on and you

461
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: can clip somebody to you, or a bag you or a.

462
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 3: Rope to you.

463
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: You can clip yourself to a rope along the along

464
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: the face of a mountain or something like that.

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00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: These you wouldn't necessarily want to clip yourself into. They

466
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: were very small. Think but your key chain, yes, not

467
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: your body but every week they put this kind of

468
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: the score of the game, and every week and ed

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00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: Wister is kind of late, you know. He was talking

470
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Speaker 1: about the extremity, you know, the extreme mountain climb to

471
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: all of us, and we, I don't know we caught

472
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: wind of it, but I remember that in the beginning,

473
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, so think about this. You're at week

474
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: one or two and you've got this little card up

475
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: there that says what the score was and who we played.

476
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: But then you know, we're getting in a week fourteen

477
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: and fifteen, and now we're almost at the top of

478
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: the mountain. We're going to be in the playoffs. And

479
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: I remember how hard it was, but I remember how

480
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: good a team we had too, and it was was amazing.

481
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: When you have a good team, you coach less. There's

482
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: not as much coaching because the players they generate, they

483
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: want they don't want to let each other down. When

484
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: winning kind of breeds this idea that it's about us,

485
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: not about the coaches, not about anybody, but about us,

486
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: and they come together and so, uh, those are the

487
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: those are good memories we had Sean Alexander, and I

488
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: still remember Sean, you know, not not being on the field.

489
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: And then when we get to the red zone, all

490
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Sean just running in. Nobody put him in.

491
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: He just ran in. He could smell the goal line.

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Speaker 1: And I thought Matt was playing at such a high level.

493
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: He was taking everything and but he was able to

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00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: really perform it. He he would make he would make

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Speaker 1: you feel like we had a no huddle offense and

496
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: we were going so fast asked, and that was part

497
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: of our strategy. He and I because of putting a

498
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Those nasty guys in stress because they couldn't

499
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: get the call that they really wanted to think about

500
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: and make. They had to they had to make it quick.

501
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: And Matt was a master of being able to get

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00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: things going very quickly and keep up tempo with a huddle.

503
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: You know, he was in and out of the huddle

504
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: and when we and also remember in that two thousand

505
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: and five season, Tony Romo dropping a ball hole he

506
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: was holding for his field goal kicker, and it was

507
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: cold and I've held I held every year I played,

508
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: and I knew this ball. The balls are a little

509
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: bit they're stiff, and they're a little slick, and they

510
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: get cold and the kickers do not have the same Uh.

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00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: You know, you can dock or a ball even today.

512
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: You can't deinflate it today. But you can doctor footballs today.

513
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: But kickers they doctor them differently. They don't do the

514
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: same things to it. So I'm just saying that this

515
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: ball was probably a surprise to him when it hit

516
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: his hands. And then big play Babs came up with

517
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: because he almost scored, and that's that set us off.

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00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 1: I guess at the end of it all, I always

519
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: call our we have an NFC championship ring, and I

520
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: always call it the loser's ring.

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00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: But the.

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00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: You know, the sports psychologists, they cringe and they said, no,

523
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: don't call it a loser's ring, call it a learn

524
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: the learner's ring, a learning ring. Okay, but you win

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00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: that because you didn't win the Super Bowl, and my

526
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: heart went out. My heart goes out to you know,

527
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Mike Homgrin, it goes out to all the players and

528
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: the fans, well, you know everybody. How about you, Steve,

529
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: what do you remember about that particularly?

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Speaker 2: I just remember I still to this day, I think

531
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: we were the better team. Gil Haskell, your offensive North

532
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: and he said that day and after the game he said,

533
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: I don't have any doubt we were the best team,

534
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: but we had a couple of key guys get hurt

535
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: in that game. Suddenly our defense was back on its heels,

536
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: and you know, plays that we had scored on. Guys

537
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: who had always made plays kind of didn't have quite

538
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: the game that they should have had. But that whole season,

539
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: the things I'll always remember, Matthew Sean and maybe the

540
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: best left side of an offensive line almost ever. I mean,

541
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: you have to go back to Anthony Munoz and some

542
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: of those guys, but Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson, even Robbie

543
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: tobec Cott center kept everybody in line. I want to

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00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: as we wrap up here, I want to go back

545
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: to one thing you mentioned, because it really sparked something

546
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: for me when Ed Veisters came in and talked to

547
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: you guys, and he talked about climbing that mountain. And

548
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: here's a guy that actually knew about climbing Mountain Becase

549
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 2: climbed everything.

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Speaker 3: You and I are in.

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00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: A it's actually a fairly large group of people nowadays

552
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: but that have climbed Mount Rainier and now I didn't

553
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: do any others. I don't know if you climbed any

554
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: other mountains, But I remember you and Steve and the

555
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: late great Howard Mudd right climbed Mount Rainier, and I

556
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: remember Steve saying, when you guys got done, he said,

557
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: that might have been one of the hardest things I

558
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: ever did. And I kind of laughed, and like, the

559
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: next year I climbed it with a group of people,

560
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: and I completely agree. And Steve was a whole lot

561
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: better shape and you know, better athlete and everything than me.

562
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: And it kicked my behind. And here are people that

563
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: climb the highest peaks or climb Mount Rainier on a

564
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon just for a fun climb. I'm so I'm

565
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: so enamored of those people. I'm getting. What I'm getting

566
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: around to is that's right here in our backyard, right

567
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: And it's kind of gets us back to where we started.

568
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: That we're two.

569
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: Guys who went off and you know, came from different places,

570
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: and you went off and made your bones as a

571
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: coach and came back here. And yet here we end

572
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: up in the shadow of Mount Rainier to this day,

573
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: cheering for a football team that we've been a part

574
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: of for almost fifty years. It's it's I don't know,

575
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: it's just seems it just seems right to me.

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00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very comfortable to be a part of the Northwest.

578
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: It's very comfortab. You know, it feels home, like I'm

579
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: at home and I get to see friends like you

580
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: and Reminisce like this, right, and some of it is

581
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: who cares, but some of it but it was part

582
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: of a part of our past. And I don't think

583
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: we live each day. And you know, I don't staple

584
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: my name on the back of my shirts or anything

585
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: like that. I haven't seen that with you either. But

586
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: it's fun to be a part of the Northwest and

587
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: to walk around and see people get super excited about

588
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Northwest sports, especially the Seahawks.

589
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: It's fun on Sundays when I get to see you

590
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: on the sidelines. And Ron Howard, our buddy and former teammate,

591
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: he's down there. He works for the league on Sundays

592
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: making sure everybody's socks are pulled up. Uh and and uh.

593
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: And it's just it's just good that those of us

594
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: who are still here can can keep in touch and

595
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: can stay involved in this organization. James uh project number

596
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: two here of Seahawks Stories now in the books, so

597
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: thank you.

598
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: The next time we.

599
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: Ought to get some guests because people are really growing tired.

600
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: I'm just sensing that they're growing tired of listening to

601
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: you and me. I really can't blame them. I'd love

602
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: to get Mike sitting at that microphone over there, get

603
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: Sam McCallum to get on the phone, Nick Bebout or

604
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: Sherman Smith.

605
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: So we'll work on that for our next time around.

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00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, thanks pal, and this has been great,

607
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: and uh, let's let's keep talking Seahawks all right, man.

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Speaker 3: Talk to you later, yes, sir, right toge