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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, you're welcome to stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your mind. My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie.

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Speaker 1: Live in the Dream, Douglas. You are You're You're living

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Speaker 1: the dream, the American Dream. Yeah. I have a roast

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Speaker 1: I have my new Ford Etfel outside. And uh, you

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Speaker 1: know two and a half lovely children. And you you

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Speaker 1: probably arrived on a on a boat as an immigrant

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Speaker 1: and just fell off the boat right into a pile

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Speaker 1: of money. Right well, I'm second generation, right yeah. And

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Speaker 1: and hard scrabble worked for it. Really wanted that hard

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Speaker 1: scrabble life, the professional scrabble circuit. That's an entirely different

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Speaker 1: podcast episode. It's hard to make a living on that,

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Speaker 1: but but it does exist, and it's fascinating. From what

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Speaker 1: I understand. It's about as lucrative as entering into like

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Speaker 1: the Toddler beauty pageant circuit. Yeah, I think it. It

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Speaker 1: may be as comfortable to that, but but but slightly

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Speaker 1: less crazy. Slightly. I refer to this idea of this

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Speaker 1: nineties like ideal of the American dream, where you know,

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Speaker 1: you had the perfect lawn, you had just bought a

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Speaker 1: house in a car, and everything was okay because you

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Speaker 1: had those things right and and if you weren't happy,

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Speaker 1: it was achievable if you could only work hard enough

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Speaker 1: to buy these things. It was all about work hard

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Speaker 1: by the things that will give you the life that

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Speaker 1: is happiness. But does it really work like that? Does

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Speaker 1: money really buy happiness? Well, that's the big question, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: And it's certainly I threw this question out on Facebook yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I did a little blog post, and I found that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people just you know, instantly say no,

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Speaker 1: of course, that money didn't buy you happiness. Because that's

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Speaker 1: become an increasingly popular, uh, little bit of wisdom to

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Speaker 1: a world that is so fascinated with the lives of

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Speaker 1: celebrities and the wealthy and so you know, ruled over

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Speaker 1: by by that class of people. It's comforting to remind yourself, Oh,

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Speaker 1: they have all this money, they live this grand life,

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Speaker 1: but they're not really happy, and therefore I can feel

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Speaker 1: a little better about not having what they have. Ironically,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Oprah actually brought this idea to the masses. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: because she does a lot of self you know, introstruction

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Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So I feel like she

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Speaker 1: seeded this for a lot of people. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: And but it is such a tricky issue because if

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Speaker 1: you hear, because because we respond both ways to it, right,

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Speaker 1: even some level, you hear a rich person or a

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Speaker 1: celebrity complain about their life. On one level, you have

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Speaker 1: that voice that says, oh, well, money doesn't buy happiness.

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Speaker 1: There you go. But on the other side, there's a

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Speaker 1: voice that you want to say, oh, shut up, you

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Speaker 1: own an airplane. If you own an airplane, you don't

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Speaker 1: have the right to complain about your life. Like we

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Speaker 1: we kind of we kind of feel it both ways.

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Speaker 1: But found up in the is a little bit of

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Speaker 1: envy and this idea again that if if you just

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Speaker 1: had access to their money, you would spend it right

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Speaker 1: and you would do it in ways in which you

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Speaker 1: would be happy exactly. I mean, we think that even

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Speaker 1: as we we stare right in the face of studies

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Speaker 1: lives or makes them less happy. We we always think,

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Speaker 1: but if I want they won the lottery, I'd know

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Speaker 1: how to spend it. I would use it appropriately and

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Speaker 1: actually improve my life. I would be the exception of

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Speaker 1: the rule. So those are the types of things we're

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Speaker 1: going to explore today. But before we do that, we

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Speaker 1: should probably say that when it comes to happiness and wealth,

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Speaker 1: there is a major impact made when you are below

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Speaker 1: with the poverty line. That's right. The World Health Organization

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Speaker 1: is called poverty quote the world's biggest killer and the

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Speaker 1: greatest cause of ill health and suffering because when you

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Speaker 1: look at poverty, living below the poverty line in this

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Speaker 1: world brings increase risks of violence, infectious disease, chronic disease,

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Speaker 1: many cases we're talking about an individual's financial inability to

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Speaker 1: once you can meet those basic needs, and once you

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Speaker 1: But the effects of money begin to taper off. And

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Speaker 1: this is actually from a House to Works article that

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Speaker 1: homeless people in Calcutta, for instance, score a mere two

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Speaker 1: point nine on a seven point scale of happiness, while

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Speaker 1: multimillionaires in the United States rank around five point eight. However,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the Inuits in Greenland and Masai

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Speaker 1: that those effects of money tapering off. Yeah, it seems

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Speaker 1: beginning to get even, you know, even closer to that

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Speaker 1: recreational eating without any actual value to you as an organism.

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Speaker 1: And if you think about it, to your your brain

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Speaker 1: every single bite was like that, you would never put

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Speaker 1: your fork down. Yeah. And in this we're getting into,

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Speaker 1: you're it's you're you're engaging yourself with society on some level,

430
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: even if you're only traveling with one person and just encountering,

431
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, people on the way. Uh. A trip is

432
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: an adventure that's going to forge a new story for you,

433
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, a gadget, a video game, Uh, some

434
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: sort of material possession and new code. Those things are

435
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna They may carve a story, but it's a much

436
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: smaller story. Indeed, and Done also says that a second

437
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: category isn't this this spending on other people is another

438
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: way to achieve happiness with money. And when I think

439
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: about this, I just think about this as being a

440
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: different version of the experience. Really, but you're you're buying

441
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: an experience for someone else, or you're creating an experience

442
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Speaker 1: for someone else, And that's the altruistic act again, a

443
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: community social based act here. Yeah, if nothing else, like

444
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: bare minimum, you're buying yourself that that that moment where

445
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: you give something to somebody else and you get to

446
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: see the look their face hopefully and you you'll get

447
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: to feel good about yourself. And uh and if nothing

448
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: else to you're you're taking your mind off of yourself

449
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: and putting it onto someone else. You know, you're you're

450
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: sort of breaking free of the default mode network for

451
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: just a moment and and putting the taking the spotlight

452
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: off of your own story and putting it on another's,

453
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: or at least having your story meet there's yeah, and

454
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Speaker 1: there are scouts of studies that support this this idea

455
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: that there's a link between happiness and um, your own

456
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: ability to provide that gift of happiness to someone. In fact,

457
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: done in one of her studies, It was a two

458
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight study gave college students either five dollars

459
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Speaker 1: or twenty dollars to them by the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Now half were instructed to buy something for themselves and

461
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Speaker 1: then the other half were instructed to buy something for

462
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Speaker 1: someone else. And what do you think, you know, how

463
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Speaker 1: did they rate their levels of happiness for that day. Well,

464
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: it turns out that the altruistic endeavor was the one

465
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Speaker 1: that generated the most happiness. Yes, And they say that

466
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Speaker 1: that may be boil down to something called self determination theory,

467
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: which states that human well being depends upon satisfaction of

468
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: three basic needs relatedness, competence, and autonomy. So in this

469
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: circumstance where they were giving away that money or buying

470
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: something for someone else, it meant those three conditions. So

471
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about bonding um, free choice, and just having

472
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Speaker 1: the ability to do it in the first place. And

473
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Speaker 1: this brings to mind an important point that's brought up

474
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Speaker 1: in the house Stuff Works article. Can money by happiness

475
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: by Jennifer Horton, which is a nice examination of some

476
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Speaker 1: of these same issues. UH. And this article points out

477
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: that you do see highly successful UH wealthy individuals who

478
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Speaker 1: are scoring highly on the on the the Happiness contentment

479
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: Um meter, but a lot of this generally stems from

480
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: from the success and enjoyment of one's job rather necessarily

481
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Speaker 1: than the size of the paycheck. So again it comes

482
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: more down to UH, to the the experience, and to

483
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: the into determinalism as opposed to just a fat check

484
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Speaker 1: at the end of the week. Indeed, now um in

485
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Speaker 1: terms of giving away money or buying experiences or even

486
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Speaker 1: getting a big fat page, one of the things that

487
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: Done says is that you have to restrict access or

488
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: make something special. In other words, buying something for someone

489
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: every single day could diminish your feelings of happiness. Right.

490
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: It's just sort of again that analogy of forkful of cheesecake.

491
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: You know, first it's going to be the best. Yeah,

492
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what the fantasy is, no matter

493
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Speaker 1: what the the dream is, if you have enough of it,

494
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna get old, it's gonna get sick. It's you're

495
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: going to adapt to that environment and you're going to

496
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: want a different environment. You're gonna need something greater and

497
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: greater to to thrill you or at least satisfy you

498
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: and give you that feeling that you're leaving leading this

499
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: happy life, which taps into two things. Here will power

500
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: and as you said already, fantasy. And if you think

501
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: about those two terms side by side and you think

502
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: about watery winners, wow, you have a really great discussion

503
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: or even study about how happiness plays out. Right, Yeah,

504
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: Because suddenly you go from zero to five, right, You're

505
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: you're you suddenly have all of this money to buy

506
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: the happiness that you've wanted, and you start spending on things, right.

507
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: You get that, you get that car that you think

508
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: you need, You get that the house that you think

509
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: you need, um, and pretty soon you you just have

510
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: to keep buying things to maintain that level of newness

511
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: and happiness. Right. Yeah. And there's this idea that you'll

512
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: have more choices, Yes you will, but that doesn't necessarily

513
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: make someone happier. In fact, we've talked about that before.

514
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: It's you go depletion, and which you have all of

515
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: these things in front of you, and you spend so

516
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: much mental energy on it that you are depleted for

517
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: making good decision in the future. And again here comes

518
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: the short term long term thing, because if you are

519
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: trying to fill that void by buying, buying, buying, your

520
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: serving constantly the short term. And that's where you see

521
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: that lottery winners are something like twice as likely to

522
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: declare bankruptcy than the general population. And it also just

523
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: ties back into that old adage. You know, you know,

524
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you you're still

525
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: going to be the same person, right, You're just gonna

526
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: be surrounded by more stuff, or maybe you'll be in

527
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: a fancy your house, but you still have to look

528
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: at yourself in the mirror. You still have to ask

529
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: those questions about meaning, why am I here? I have

530
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: a really fancy car that I just bought, But how

531
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: does that change my story? Yeah? In fact, that gets

532
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: down to this idea of perhaps all of us are

533
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: pre loaded with the set point of happiness that can

534
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: change over time. Right. I guess if you were to

535
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: do that in a in a way that was really intentional,

536
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: but if you didn't, there there may be sort of

537
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: a set point that we all gravitate to. And again,

538
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: lottery winners were examined for this. It was in nineteen

539
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: eight study by a team of psychologists from from Northwestern

540
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: University in the University of Massachusetts, which was published in

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Speaker 1: the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, and they found

542
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: that lottery winners were not significantly happier than control group participants,

543
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: and that patients with spinal cord injuries did not appear

544
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: nearly as as unhappy as might be expected. Yes, I

545
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: mean the spinal injury thing comes into play because on

546
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: some of you could say, individuals are sustained as a

547
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: sufficient injury have fewer choices, whereas money seemingly brings more choices.

548
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Money money's free speech, right, money is more freedom to

549
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: do things in the world, And yet it doesn't really

550
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: pan out that way when you look at these statistics. Yeah,

551
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: And to further this idea of set point happiness, psychology,

552
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: professor Gildrick Schmack found that once couples married, their life

553
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: satisfaction measures generally changed in the same direction, suggesting that

554
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: environmental factors like child's birth or a job loss would

555
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: affect their well being. But with you again, if you

556
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: take the long term view of them, he found that

557
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: their participants happiness level was relatively stable over a course

558
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: of twenty two years, So again perhaps the influence of

559
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: this set point. All right, but at this point you're

560
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: probably wondering, well, what can I do if I have

561
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: the money to spend and I want happiness, I want meaningfulness,

562
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: I want all of these things, and I have a

563
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: little money set aside, how do I spend it? You

564
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: would go big. You would look for three things. You

565
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: would you would look for a time, You would look

566
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Speaker 1: for giving all truism, and you would look for experience,

567
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: and you would try to wrap all three of those

568
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: things up into one thing. Yeah, like an example that

569
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: comes to mind, and this is not something big on

570
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: a financial level. But so you're giving a gift to

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00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: a child. You don't just give them a thing. As

572
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: much as they want that thing, would pray and would

573
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: prob be happy to run off in the next room

574
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: with that thing, but you give them something that you

575
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: do together. You give them the experience of building said

576
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: thing or playing said thing if it's a game, right

577
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: and uh, and so you're getting there, getting that gift

578
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: giving rush. You are getting the experience of doing something

579
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: with the with the child. The socialization as well as

580
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: the story of doing it. Um, all these things that

581
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: wound up into one and you're giving of your own

582
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: time and so investment. Yeah, and so what this all

583
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: underscores is that there is some sort of meaning achieved.

584
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: As you said, there's a story to go along with this.

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00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's this is my grandchild and I'm and I'm

586
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: helping to add to you know, his or her life

587
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: in this way. And maybe it's even a life lesson

588
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: that they want to impart. So you know, that's this

589
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: hopefully a good one, right. Yeah, there's the Fisher Price

590
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Life Lesson series you can get. It's some of them

591
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: are pretty rough, but but they're important. Well they're all plastic. Yeah,

592
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: so that's good. Um. Yes, I think it just all

593
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: boils down to the ability to take stock of your life,

594
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: find meaning, and also be thankful for the things that

595
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: you do have because, as we know, just you might

596
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: get that quick dopamine surge from buying something, but again

597
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: that that's ephemerals, that's not gonna last. Yeah. So, I

598
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: especially as we begin to sadly enter into another holiday season,

599
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: I would advise everyone when you when you add something

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00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: to that Animazon wish list, when you buy that gift

601
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: for someone else, or you know, buy something for yourself. Think,

602
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: think about it in terms of meaning and story, like

603
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: what what is the what meaning am I adding to

604
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: my life for someone else's with this purchase? All right, well, hey,

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00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: let's we've got a little time here. Let's call over

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00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: the robot and read through some listener mail. All right,

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Speaker 1: this one comes to us from I'm gonna say p

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Speaker 1: s K for sure. I don't want to butcher your name,

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00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: so we'll just go with initials. Um PSK says. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm a longtime listener. I love the show. I'm writing

611
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: to you because I just heard your podcast on the

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: flow state. I'm a practic practitioner and performer of what

613
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: are called the flow arts. Basically, it's prop manipulation using poi,

614
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Speaker 1: hula hoops, contact balls, and a lot of other objects

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Speaker 1: too many of the name here. The reason we are

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Speaker 1: called flow artists is because the main purpose of our

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00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: art is less entertainment and more about achieving a flow state,

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Speaker 1: a feeling of perfect synchronicity and awareness with our chosen prop,

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Speaker 1: a way of losing ourselves in our flow. For years,

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Speaker 1: I thought this was something new that people were latching onto.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea there was legitimate research into flow states,

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Speaker 1: or that a flow state could be achieved through other

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Speaker 1: tasks besides prop manipulation. Now that I think of it, though,

624
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense, and now I'll try to achieve

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00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: flow more in my daily life. Anyways, thanks for the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It was very informative, even for someone who considers himself

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Speaker 1: well versed in flow. If you or your audience would

628
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Speaker 1: like to see some of the things that people are

629
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Speaker 1: doing through flow, I invite you all to search POI

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Speaker 1: that's p o i uh in YouTube or even visit

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Speaker 1: my own groups you tube channel the Way of the Circle.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, take care by all right, So that was awesome.

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Speaker 1: I love that we have a flow artist among our listeners. Um.

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Speaker 1: You guys are always amazing us with all these different

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Speaker 1: things that you do. Um. I will try to butcher

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Speaker 1: PSK's name. Okay, p send kiddo. I think P is

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Speaker 1: the initial Okay, all we had was the email address

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Speaker 1: on this one. Yeah, we apologize in advance anyway. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for running in. Yes indeed, so hey, you want

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Speaker 1: to find out more about happiness, well, head on over

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Speaker 1: to Stuff to Blow your mind dot com because we

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