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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show you Yes, you can be

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Speaker 1: a citizen scientist this spring and summer. There are things

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Speaker 1: to look out for in your own backyards. I am

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Speaker 1: talking about special events that are current, that are happening

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Speaker 1: now or in a few weeks, that you can keep

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Speaker 1: alert to in your backyard. Well, if you live in

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Speaker 1: North America, in certain locations, but in general, you can

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Speaker 1: be a citizen scientist. That means observing animals and then

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Speaker 1: making reports to various research institutions, to things like eye naturalists,

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Speaker 1: and this actually really helps researchers. So we are going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about new birds. We're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about incredible broods. We are going to talk about something

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Speaker 1: that was discovered by citizen scientists that sounds like it

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Speaker 1: came out of the horror game Slash TV show The

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Speaker 1: Last of Us Discover This and more as we answered

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Speaker 1: the age old question what is it a good time

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Speaker 1: for your butt to be a fun guy? Joining me

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Speaker 1: today is voice actress, host of the JV Club and

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Speaker 1: a ton of other podcasts. Janet Varney welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I wasn't sure if I was

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Speaker 2: allowed to laugh when you said can you be a

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Speaker 2: fun guy and win? And so last giggle.

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Speaker 1: Laughter is not allowed, not permitted.

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Speaker 2: This is a very serious, very serious I'm b reaching

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Speaker 2: our contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very serious science show. No laughter, no fun,

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Speaker 1: everything's really dry. No, I'm so excited to have you suggested.

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Speaker 1: I really liked your topic suggestion, which is talking about

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Speaker 1: like the kinds of animals that you can find sort

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Speaker 1: of in your own city, in your own backyard. And

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Speaker 1: I really love this concept, and I love the way

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Speaker 1: in which that people like you and me can engage

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Speaker 1: in science. Because I am a science communicator. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a scientist. I don't do research, but do I take

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Speaker 1: photos of animals and then send them to a naturalist

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Speaker 1: or to researchers who I know are looking for these photos.

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Speaker 1: I don't send them randomly to people who don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going on, but yes I do, and it's really fun,

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Speaker 1: it's really exciting. Like once I snapped a photo of

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Speaker 1: alligator lizards mating, so I sent it to Greg Pauley.

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Speaker 1: He's a herpetologist at the the LA Natural History Museum,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's amazing. It's it's so cool

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Speaker 1: to be able to interact with scientists and with science

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Speaker 1: and research this way, and it's actually really helpful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally awesome. We have in our I live

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Speaker 2: right near Griffith Park in Los Angeles, and there's like

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Speaker 2: a ton of you know, kind of public facing stuff

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Speaker 2: that you can do to get involved in. One of

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Speaker 2: the things that we do, not just in Griffith Park

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Speaker 2: but in my own neighborhood is Raptor Watch, is you know,

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Speaker 2: keeping your eyes on certain raptors' nests and reporting back.

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Speaker 2: I'm gone a lot, so I haven't been able to

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Speaker 2: sign up because the last thing I want to do

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Speaker 2: important raptor do. I don't want to fail raptor duty.

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Speaker 2: But but you're right, the feeling of knowing that like

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Speaker 2: you're engaging with your environment and you're even helping us

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Speaker 1: Well, so I have exciting news for you because this

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Speaker 1: This is a a new bird just dropped in southern California.

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Speaker 2: They rapped a bird.

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Speaker 1: They they released a new bird. Kind of literally, I'll

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Speaker 1: ex plane. So there is a small bird called Swinhoe's

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Speaker 1: White Eye. It is a little little guy. It's like

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Speaker 1: smaller than a playing card. It's got this cute little

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Speaker 2: They really are. This is this is a this is

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Speaker 2: a hot look. I love it. The use I did

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Speaker 1: I mean it's that I think that greeny tinge and

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Speaker 1: I think it's like, I mean, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: If I add white eye learner to it, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: But if our skin was shartruths like this, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I've never wanted your true skin more or at all, No,

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Speaker 2: I do, so, Yeah, I love this little critter.

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Speaker 1: They're very, very pretty, and if you are a bird

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Speaker 1: watcher or backyard birder, or just general bird appreciator in

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Speaker 1: that has flowers or berries. They often like to sip

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Speaker 1: nectar or eat berries. Even like hummingbird feeders, if you

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Speaker 2: That was my next question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And they don't have that really long beak that

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Speaker 1: you can see these nectivorous birds like this one that

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Speaker 1: kind of long, a little bit pointy, but many stages

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Speaker 1: maybe evolutionary path of this bird could have been maybe

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Speaker 1: similar to a hummingbird's ancestor, with a shorter beak but

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Speaker 1: still zipping nectar.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and just because I don't want anyone to worry

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Speaker 2: rudimentary of enthusiasts. But so a bird like this, like

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Speaker 2: little tongue that was also involved in the beak. But

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, that tongue is going to help them sip.

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Speaker 1: one of these. But here's the catch. They are not

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Speaker 1: East and Southeast Asia, completely across the world. So Janet,

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Speaker 1: The thought that it's not exactly known, but the leading

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Speaker 1: one is much more recent, So this came around two

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Speaker 1: So there's always like, so they are an invasive species,

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Speaker 1: impact local flora fauna, how they impact the plants, how

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Speaker 2: So they are like a kind of the opposite end

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Speaker 2: feral cat in Australia, which I was just reading about

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Speaker 2: and feeling very bad for the Bilby's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bilby's.

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Speaker 2: So cute in the side, but boy, oh boy, are

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Speaker 1: I judge an animal in terms of their cuteness mostly

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Speaker 2: I would say, ears and snoop, and this one has

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Speaker 1: They did, you see the whole thing of like they

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Speaker 1: bad for Bilby's and other animals, not because of predation,

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Speaker 2: A giant build, so doing that here.

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Speaker 1: I love that you can get a chocolate Easter Bilby.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how expensive the shipping would be from Australia,

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Speaker 1: so so so far these little little white eyed birds, uh,

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Speaker 1: something that people can do from their backyards right or

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Speaker 1: I mean there's an article called on the Brink of

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Speaker 1: Explosion identifying the source and potential spread of introduced Zosterops

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Speaker 1: white eyes in North America. Also an article in The

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Speaker 1: LAist by Jacob Margolis that has more information. But yeah, generally,

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Speaker 1: His name is the full scientific name is Zosterops simplex,

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Speaker 2: Sounds like yeah it really does. Yeah, it really does.

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Speaker 2: Zoster Ops white eyes. I have a really bad cases

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Speaker 1: I know, it's like, oh, I don't want to be

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just what's going to happen if you're

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Speaker 2: Seems telling, right, I mean, it thinks that that must

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Speaker 1: This is one of the problems with the exotic pet trade.

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Speaker 1: like I think, the Chevron parakeets are relatively benign in

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Speaker 2: Well, the smaller the ecosystem and the more like you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like we've I mean, I'm I

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Speaker 2: Okay, where do I start? First of all, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: And then I want you to go ahead and just

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Speaker 1: How did I do you have painted a beautiful brain picture? Uh?

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Speaker 1: This is the way I would describe it is like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely grasshop er. I guess I could have gone

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it is. It is chunky though, it's shiny

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Speaker 2: A oh, it's just as after all that it's a cicada.

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Speaker 1: It is a cicada. It's you probably heard it, but

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Speaker 2: I mean I thought I had. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 1: There are different species, but I.

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Speaker 2: Think the ones in Okay. I mean, I've had one

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Speaker 2: for sure in Arizona. You know, the thing you're going

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, out of context, it's surprising to see cicadas.

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Speaker 1: I always like, I hear their sound and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: a little old tiny robot a metallic sound.

434
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: It does make a very metallic sound, shocking. But the

435
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: reason I bring up cicadas is that if you live

436
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: in North America, in the Midwest and southeast United States,

437
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: you are in for a treat that rivals the total

438
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: eclipse that just happened, because there is going to be

439
00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: a double brewed emergence this spring, so it is gonna

440
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: be a very special event. So cicadas do emerge every year,

441
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: right like we have this yearly emergence of cicadas. Their

442
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: life cycle is essentially, the females will lay eggs into trees.

443
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: They cut a little slice into the tree, lay their

444
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: eggs there. The eggs hatch into nymphs, the little tiny babies.

445
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: They drop down to the ground, burrow under the ground.

446
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: They can go as far as around two feet under

447
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: the ground, and then they stay there for at least

448
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: a year, and then all at once they all come out.

449
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: The males make this incredibly loud buzzing sound to attract

450
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: the females. There's a mad dash to get the mating done,

451
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: to lay the eggs, and then they all die in

452
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: a few weeks. So they but this is the thing

453
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: is life, I know, amazing, right, Like, so you spend

454
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: most of your time as a juvenile just hanging out underground,

455
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: sipping on the sap from tree roots. Uh, and then

456
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: you have like three to six weeks of total madness

457
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: of just trying to mate as fast as you can,

458
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: and then you drop dead.

459
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I mean listen, you get you get to

460
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: some underground, you get some above ground by being in

461
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: the trees, and you get to drive people crazy with

462
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: how incredibly loud you are. I mean, this is uh,

463
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: this is an insect that was linked as a possible

464
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: cause of I hate to use the term of Vana

465
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: syndrome because I think that I know that that's like

466
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: very hurtful to the Cuban people who are like, please

467
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: don't put the name of oursity into this thing that

468
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: you think is like a sonic weapon. But you know,

469
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: it's when I when I've listened to a great podcast

470
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: about it, actually, which I wish I could remember the

471
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: name of. It's really good about the that phenomena, And

472
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: when they first played like that, you know, the whole

473
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: sort of like misunderstanding which was kind of debunked as

474
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, this isn't actually what this was

475
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: and it's not even what the people who had this

476
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: thought it was. It's just sort of an uh, it's

477
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: just an unfortunate like, it's just an unfortunate situation where

478
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: there happened to be a bunch of really loud cicadas.

479
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah that they were like, could this have anything to

480
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: do with why we're having these symptoms? And it was like, no,

481
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: it doesn't, and the symptoms still happened. But but the

482
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: first time I heard I was like, well that's cicadas. Yeah,

483
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: Like that sound that you know, feels like and it's

484
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: it's an assault to your ears is cicada.

485
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: It's a complete sensory experience.

486
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: Bless them.

487
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: Well, how do we know that these cicadas aren't in

488
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: league with the Cuban government to undermine America? I have nothing?

489
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: So double brood, So double brood? How did that happen?

490
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: How was there a double set coming?

491
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: So this is really this is very interesting. So there

492
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: are some species that they go through a yearly life cycle.

493
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: There are others and those are called annual cicaia sick

494
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: annual cicadas. There are other cicadas who are periodical cicadas

495
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: and they have a life cycle that can range from

496
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: two years to seventeen years, and so that means that

497
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: when the nymphs pop out of the trees burrow underground,

498
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: they can spend up to seventeen years of their life

499
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: just waiting underground, sipping on tree root juices, and then

500
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: at the seventeen year mark, all of them all at

501
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: once emerge and do the crazy mating just orgy fest

502
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. And the double brood is because

503
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: there is a brood, a thirteen year cyclical sorry, a

504
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: thirteen year periodical cicada brood, and a seventeen year periodical

505
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: cicada brood that have a ligned so they are emerging

506
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: at the same time. And this is something that hasn't

507
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: happened for two hundred years. So yeah, because it think

508
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the just the synchronicity of it, The last time this

509
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: happened was two hundred years ago. The next time this happened,

510
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be another like two hundred years. It's gonna

511
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: be in like twenty twenty forty five, so it is.

512
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: It is really incredible. And so there are going to

513
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: be anywhere from like billions to potentially like a trillion

514
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: cicadas just like which seems made up. That does that

515
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: seems like too many that are going to emerge. And

516
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: so if you are near the cicada geddon which is

517
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: happening in you know, the in the Midwest and southeast

518
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: United States, you will start to notice holes popping out

519
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: of the ground. And then you're gonna notice just a

520
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: deafening cock cacophony of cicadas making an incredible sound. It

521
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: is not the end times, uh, you are not. You're

522
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: not about to be raptured. These are cicadas and they

523
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: will made over the course of a few weeks. Then

524
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: they'll die and yeah, you're gonna find all those like

525
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: crunchy little shells everywhere. It's uh, they look intimidating sometimes

526
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 1: because they're they're pretty big. They're you know, like bigger

527
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: than my thumb a little bit. But they are totally harmless.

528
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: They don't want to they don't want to mess with you.

529
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: They don't want to bite you. They're not like venomous.

530
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: They don't want to have sex with you. Again, they

531
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: do not want to have sex with you.

532
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Not with you, with uh, with anything vaguely cicada shaped yet. Uh,

533
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: So you can celebrate cicada getting by just observing all

534
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: the cicadas, by enjoying the train quality of like a

535
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: billion cicadas all screaming.

536
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's going to be more ear plug

537
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: purchases than in past years, really in those areas.

538
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: I'd be interesting to track. My husband is an economist.

539
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest that to him as a research topic.

540
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: Like ear plugs and cicadas, is there a connection?

541
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem possible. And this is the same

542
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: with crickets. I guess, you know, you just sort of

543
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: we all take for grant. I mean, I think I

544
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: did as a kid. I feel like I was a

545
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: fairly curious kid. But you also when you're younger, there

546
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: are some things that you just kind of take it

547
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: face value. And I guess I just I hadn't. I

548
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: didn't spend as much time as maybe I should have

549
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: thinking about the immense noise that comes from this tiny thing.

550
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: Well it's so interesting because well, crickets are you know,

551
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: they can project for sure, but cicadas are particularly loud.

552
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: Cicadas are a little bit different, uh from stridulators like crickets,

553
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: so they do produce sound mechanically, not through like a voice,

554
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: but they actually have these Instead of just rubbing one

555
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: body part against another, they have these what are called timbles.

556
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: They are these like structures, these kind of membranous structures.

557
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: You know, like like.

558
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: What's it called like symbol like symbols, Like symbols rhymes

559
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: with timbles.

560
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: It does rhyme with timbles. But you know, like the

561
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: monkey that slaps the symbols together. These are timbles. So

562
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: they are connected to muscles. They vibrate them really rapidly. Vibration, yeah,

563
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: vibration that is very very rapid. And they also have

564
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: sort of a resonance chamber. Uh. And so like basically

565
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: you know how like you can like wiggle a metal

566
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: sheet and make a thunder sound.

567
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: It's like that, but we have a.

568
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: Bunch of these little membranes. Uh. If you actually like,

569
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: if you like like this. This is what's interesting about

570
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: cicadas is they kind of have this like mechanical look.

571
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: If you sort of look at this timble structure, it

572
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: looks sort of like a bunch of layers of metal together.

573
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: But these are actually just like these sort of thin membranes.

574
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: They vibrate and then their bodies are designed as a

575
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: resonance chamber, and it's just it's such a rapid force

576
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: that they can actually produce from this this thing that's

577
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: relatively small, they can produce a sound that's nearly as

578
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: loud as like a chainsaw.

579
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean that is nuts and so okay. So the

580
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: little critters that are coming out of the ground that

581
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: they're male and female, that both in the broods that

582
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: are coming out, and the females you are, they're just

583
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: going somewhere too, I mean, are they just kind of

584
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: like in the trees also they are, and they're just

585
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: sort of like, yeah, they're looking whoever's yeah.

586
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: Depends on the species. Some of them, like they're both

587
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: mobile and they're looking for each other and the males

588
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: making this sound and the female's going for it. But

589
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: in some species it's like the males stay put and

590
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: then the females have to come to them because the

591
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: males are lazy, and you know, it's like, well, you

592
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: have to come over here.

593
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: They're like, baby, I'm exhausted, I'm a listen, I'm in

594
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: a band. If you want to hang out with me,

595
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: you got to come to my band's shows. I'm too busy.

596
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm either rehearsing my band, or I'm performing with my band,

597
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: or I'm traveling with her band. Baby, you want to

598
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: be with me? Come to where the band is. You

599
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, girl, exactly.

600
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: We've all been through this, We've all had a cicada

601
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: in our life. But one interesting thing about these is

602
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: that you would think you'd wonder, like, well, why why

603
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: do they need seventeen or thirteen years underground? That seems excessive,

604
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Like they don't need a lot of time to develop.

605
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: A lot of about being a brooding teenager, pended you

606
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: never come out of your room. You're two, You dug

607
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: yourself two feet underground?

608
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, they are a whold They are a

609
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: whole teenager by the time they emerge.

610
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so no wonder they're so horny.

611
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, I just it's so good. They don't have internet,

612
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: these cicadas, I know, can you imagine.

613
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: Well, some trees talks to trees, tree roots talk to

614
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: each other. I don't know, they can be they could

615
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: they could be. Yeah, a little internet there.

616
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean the reason for the law,

617
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still not exactly known why they do this,

618
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: but one the leading theory is that it is a

619
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: way to kind of like create an unpredictability about like

620
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: when they emerged. The reason that they all emerge at

621
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: once is fairly straightforward safety in numbers. If you are

622
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: a part of a huge brood, then it is just

623
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: statistically less likely you get eaten, even though a lot

624
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: of you are going to get eaten. But to emerge

625
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: at such a like weird like periodical thing of like

626
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: every thirteen years, every seventeen years. There are other birds

627
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: that do it at different intervals. That is potentially to

628
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: make difficult for predators, parasites and other like pathogens. The

629
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: three piece from adapting to you essentially like if they

630
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: adapt to your life cycle, like you emerge every year,

631
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: maybe a pathogen or a predator or a parasite will

632
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: learn like, hey, they come out every year, and so

633
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: I adapt in order to exploit this yearly emergence. But

634
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: if you're only coming out every thirteen years or seventeen years,

635
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: this is an irregularity and it's a long period of time.

636
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: So you may be going beyond the life cycle of

637
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: a lot of predators, of a lot of things that

638
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: would exploit you, and so it is harder for them

639
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: to specifically adapt strategies against you to either exploit you

640
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: as a parasite or as a predator. That doesn't mean

641
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: that predators don't eat these. They do. They eat them

642
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: a lot of them. But the point is, like having

643
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: like a special adaptation that makes you just a master

644
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: at a cicada munchie or cicada parasitizing or even like

645
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: a virus or a pathogen that could adapt to it,

646
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: like with this like weird interval, like it actually makes

647
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: them kind of a hard target to adapt to, except

648
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: for when they're underground, and there are actually things like

649
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: fungal infections and nematodes and things underground that can parasitize

650
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: them while they are in that period, which is really interesting.

651
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: But you know, is that is that kind of the

652
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: only thing that can happen to you when you're down there,

653
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: or can like some sort of burrowing critter find you,

654
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: just stumble across you and go, hey, I'm a off hand.

655
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: I can't think of a single one hole. I don't

656
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: do they.

657
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely yeah no, if they're they can be definitely

658
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: preyed upon underground by burrowing animals. It's just that it

659
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: is not as exploited a region as say the surface, right,

660
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: like burrowing animals. They have to put in work to

661
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: do their tunnels and so uh, you know the the

662
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: excavation uh is you can only excavate so much of

663
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: the ground, and so yeah, they will still be preyed upon,

664
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: they will still have issues underground, but it is safer

665
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: than the surface. And is speaking of eating these guys, uh,

666
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: they are edible for people. We can eat them and

667
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: if you I mean, I have never had a cicada,

668
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: but I have heard that they actually taste fairly good,

669
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: similar to like say, seafood, kind of like the kind

670
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: of look at crustaceane. Yeah, I don't know if that's true,

671
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: but because I have never tried it. But if you

672
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: live in one of these areas where there's gonna be

673
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: this mass emergence, check out like your local rest if

674
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: you're if you're adventurous, if this sounds interesting to you,

675
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: sometimes like local restaurants will start offering cicicada meals. So

676
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: like essentially collect they collect the cicadas, they prepare them,

677
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: cook them, and you can eat them.

678
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: Good source of rote like a cricket, like protein powder

679
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: and stuff.

680
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there meat, they're bug meat, and I.

681
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: Think you'd have to charge that baby pretty black for

682
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: me to I need to get like, what I taste

683
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: is the taste of of just like burnt wood needs

684
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: to be sure, I mean a grasshopper.

685
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: But Billy, what do you think you know what?

686
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure? I think it was like a chocolate cover grasshopper.

687
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: So it was one of those things where you're like, oh,

688
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: you have done everything you can to disguise and and

689
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: and sort of you know, nullify whatever bug eating experience

690
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: you're supposed to have, Like I definitely haven't had, Like, hey,

691
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: here's a you know, yeah, here's a baked here's a

692
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: baked grasshopper, not them a grasshopper.

693
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: Here's a here's a tart with grasshoppers all lined up

694
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: like pecans. Yeah, I exactly. I I'm not much of

695
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: an insectivore myself. I want to be, like, I think

696
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: it would be cool, And I wish I did not

697
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: have the sort of uh like revulsion towards eating insects

698
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: that I have, like because it's just like, well, now

699
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: there's this whole cuisine that I can't have because I

700
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: have this cultural notion that bugs. Bugs is gross. I'm

701
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: not supposed to eat them I've eaten ants the same

702
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: and I think I had a cricket once. But yeah, uh,

703
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard for me to get past that,

704
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: and I wish I could, because hey, you know what,

705
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: like food's food and I don't. Yeah, I don't want

706
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: to be so picky, but yeah.

707
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this cool question, and please tell

708
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: me if we're getting off topic, because you know, I

709
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: could get six hours about almost any subject. But so

710
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: with something like that, how much of that revulsion? I'm

711
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: you don't have to know the answer to this, but

712
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm interested if you have any speculation on it. How

713
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: much of something like that is? Like, because you know,

714
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: for example, when you when you find that you're afraid

715
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: of a certain type of creature, and and you know,

716
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: we you can have a conversation about that. Most people

717
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: sort of understand, like, well, you know, to have a

718
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: sort of genetic predisposition towards fearing spiders or towards fearing rats,

719
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: or towards fearing snakes, Like there's reasons for those predispositions

720
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: to exist, and some of them may be happening at

721
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: the genetic level, like at the cellular level. I wonder

722
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm wondering with you know, the sort of revulsion around insects, Like,

723
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: had you and I been raised in a similar environment

724
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: except for our parents or our small community or our

725
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: city or our state or whatever embraced eating insects more,

726
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: do you think that, you know, we would just completely

727
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: be fine with it. Do you think that there would

728
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: be like some level of a version that we couldn't

729
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: put our finger on? Like, what are your thoughts on that?

730
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: I've actually thought about this a lot. This is a

731
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: great question, Okay, I mean there are absolutely certain versions

732
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: we have that maybe innate in terms of like like

733
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: things that are like spider shaped, snake shaped. We have

734
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: sort of this like innate kind of like the reflex

735
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: which can be overridden by say learning about them or

736
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: culturally overridden people because I mean people keep snakes as pets,

737
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: people keep tarantulas as pets. These kinds of fears can

738
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: be overwritten by new information eating insects. It's hard to

739
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: say whether we have an innate revulsion to insects in

740
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: terms of a food source. My suspicion is that maybe

741
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: for some insects we might things that are pests, right

742
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: that like are things that we may see as like

743
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: unsanitary or pests like parasites. Yeah, perhaps there is a

744
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: grubs exactly exactly, and so we we do have an

745
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: evolutionary history of being insectivorous, and you know, even even

746
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: with parasites, right, like you pick mites and ticks and

747
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: stuff and fleas off of your friend and you eat it.

748
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: And so in terms of what we do know is

749
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: there are a lot of human cultures that exist today

750
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: where insect eating is not taboo, it is not considered gross,

751
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and people enjoy eating insects, and so it is clearly

752
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: something that answer to your question of like, if we

753
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: had been raised different would we find would we find

754
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: insects gross to eat? No, I don't think so. I

755
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: think if we had been raised that we eat cicadas,

756
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, every year in a big cicada eating festival,

757
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: I think we would not find that gross.

758
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: Just I agree with you. It's kind of a bummer,

759
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: like a bummer opportunity exactly.

760
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: This is how I feel. It's like I want to

761
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: if I have children, I want to figure out a

762
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: way to not make them feel grossed out by the

763
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: concept of eating bugs, you know, just in case, like

764
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, the meat industry collapses in the future and

765
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: you know what, like give them more options. But no,

766
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: But I mean it's also like bugs are kind of pretty,

767
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: and some of them sort of look like candy. I

768
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: don't know, Like if I look at a bug, I'm like,

769
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: that might be kind of fun to eat. But then

770
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: when I think about eating it with all the little

771
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: legs and the segments that I'm like, no, that seems bad.

772
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. But then part of

773
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: me is like, ah, but I'm curious. Yeah, it's hard

774
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: to override the the revulsion, but I want to. But yeah,

775
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I think so there's two options. I think one is

776
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: that we could have an innate aversion to it, but

777
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: one that is overridden by culture, or we do not

778
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: have an innate aversion to it. And so depending on

779
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: your culture, you're even you're either taught in aversion to

780
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: insects or you are not taught it, and I suspect

781
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: it's the latter. I don't think we're born with an

782
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: aversion to eating insects, unless maybe there's a very specific

783
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of like maybe we're we have an aversion to spiders.

784
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: That would make sense. Yeah, but eating any insect I

785
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: don't know because like something like what is really the

786
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: difference between say, like a shrimp and a cricket in

787
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: terms of like their looks, you know, when I was

788
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: This is a fun story, but like when I was

789
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: a and I think I've told it on the show

790
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: probably like a million times, so sorry for repeating myself.

791
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: But when I was a toddler, I would eat snails

792
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: like a baby, like baby toddler, like crawling around kind

793
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: of in the yard, I would pick up snails and

794
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: eat them. And somehow I as an adult, like I

795
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: am grossed out by snails. But then there's a lot

796
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: of like right now I'm living in Northern Italy, like

797
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: escargoes on the menu all the time, and a lot

798
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: of people like it, and it's like I can't eat

799
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: it now because I'm grossed out. But when I was

800
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: a baby, I would eat raw snails out of the garden.

801
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I feel like I really do think

802
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: the the general aversion to all insects, I don't think

803
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: that that's innate. I think we learned that maybe there's

804
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: specific insects that may be you know, like spiders that

805
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: we have.

806
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: So it just and I know we need to move on,

807
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: but just to put a button on this and to

808
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: bring it back around to to like your own backyard,

809
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: like one's own backyard. One of the things that's been

810
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of running in the background as we've been talking

811
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: about this for me is like, when I think about

812
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: the insects I see in my own yard, if I

813
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: had to eat one of them, I'm going to take

814
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: snails off the menu, because I feel like I do

815
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: have tons of snails and I'm gonna take I'm gonna

816
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: take like grasshoppers, snails, and crickets off the menu because

817
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: I feel like I've already been given permission to eat those, right.

818
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: I have an idea. I know what I categorically would

819
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent avoid, and that include spiders and I

820
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: and I am afraid of spiders, but I've really come

821
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: a long way. I feel much more friendly with them now. Now.

822
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: When I am gardening and I pull up a rock

823
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: and there's a giant wolf spider that you know, hunkers

824
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: and sort of crops just trying not to be seen,

825
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, buddy, I'm not gonna hurt you. Like

826
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: that's okay, I'm sorry, I interrupted. Whereas like when I

827
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: was younger, I would have squealed and run away and

828
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: not been in the garden. And when I say younger,

829
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean like twenty I mean like twenty five. I

830
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: don't mean like I've gotten much better about that. I've

831
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: gotten much better about ore weavers. Now I can stand

832
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: right next to them as they're building a web and

833
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: look at how crazy and scary they look, and really say, Wow,

834
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: you're working so hard on that. And the chances are

835
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: fair that this is gonna get broken before you're even done,

836
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: because someone's gonna walk into it or bird's gonna fly. So,

837
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: but I definitely don't want to eat them. I do

838
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: not want to eat spiders. I've decided that I would

839
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: like some roly pulleys. They can go ahead and roll

840
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: up into a perfect circle, perfect sphere will fry them

841
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: up and then they'll just be like these nice little

842
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: crunchy bits. Yeah, And that feels that feels doable to me.

843
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: Like that feels even more doable to me in some

844
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: cases than like, you know, even just thinking about like

845
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: crickets or snails like somehow, just because it becomes an

846
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: like a shape instead of a creature. Yes, if you

847
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: want to roll yourself up. We could turn them into dippin' dots,

848
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: like there are options. We have a cereal, we have

849
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: options for those tiny little roly pulleys, which are also

850
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: very cute. And I don't mind crawling on me. So

851
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: I feel kind of guilty saying that. But I'm and

852
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: what I know I won't Another thing I know I

853
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: won't eat is I forget what their actual name. They're

854
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: like Latin name or their scientific name is, but what

855
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: we call mustache bugs. I don't need to eat a

856
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: bug that it has all of those legs, like you

857
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: were saying, I mean, those are like it's like eating

858
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: a little brush. It's like eating I mean, I guess.

859
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: But when I when I was growing up, I thought

860
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: of a millipede and a centipede as being these.

861
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: Sort of house centipede is how I know them.

862
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean those things they are like I mean,

863
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: mustache bug makes a lot of sense because they have

864
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: the doushy look like a walking mustache, and the idea

865
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: of having to get those little hairy legs down is

866
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: just makes me on.

867
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: A puke the mouthfeel on. That can't be good. The

868
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: interesting thing about the roly pully is those are terrestrial isopods.

869
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: They are actually, that's right.

870
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: They are related to fossils.

871
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: Yes, they are related to marine isopods. So they are

872
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: kind of like surf and turf. I guess, all in one,

873
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: all in one.

874
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel guilty. I'm sorry, Little roly Poly. Sorry.

875
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: Potato bugs are always fine, It's fine. The great thing

876
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: about the pill bugs is you can just take them

877
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: with a glass of water. If you don't like the

878
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: mouthfeel of the crunching, you know, that's mean. I mean,

879
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: I feel like ants is kind of cheating. I've eaten ants.

880
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: It's they just taste like eating a little grain of pepper. Yeah,

881
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: they're very spicy, they're very spicy. But yeah, I don't

882
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: like grubs. Grubs isn't something I want to eat. That's

883
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: the scene in The Lion King has always grossed me out.

884
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: My gosh, you know, it's hard, Like, man, I don't

885
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: like anything that has like a pop to it, like

886
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: a like a gusher sort of thing. So spiders Spider's

887
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: definitely not. I don't you know, like anything where you

888
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: bite down on it and there's like a pop and

889
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: like a No, I don't want to do you got me? Yeah? No,

890
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: you're so right, Yes, that's not a situation I want.

891
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh yeah, so what what isn't like that?

892
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to think, oh man, because

893
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna say butterfly, but I feel like their bodies. No,

894
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be good. That would not be good. No,

895
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean I honestly, like.

896
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: What about like a little beetle, Oh, poor beetle, little beetle,

897
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: like if it's really small though, Yeah, I feel like

898
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: crunchy bugs are better than squishy.

899
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, bugs that pop in your mouth, like that's not

900
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: like I'm even dressed out like I used to have.

901
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't like killing spiders once in a while. It's

902
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: like a kind of a necessity situation, especially like if

903
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: it's a venomous species. It's like, I'm sorry, you know, I.

904
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: Gotta I know, I'm not I'm okay killing and I

905
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 2: feel bad about I feel bad.

906
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: About it, like I don't want to, but I will

907
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: do it. And then but the popping sound that they make,

908
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: like when I hate it, I feel it's like I

909
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: feel guilty and it's disgusting.

910
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: Put in your cicada at.

911
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: Ear plugs just like please scream in my ears and wear.

912
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: A boot with a big, like a really chunky feel,

913
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: so that you're not your experiencing that.

914
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: No, I hate it. It's like it's like popping is

915
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: z but it's it's but it's a spider. It's so right,

916
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: you know. It's so with any spider that I do

917
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: not have to like that is not venomous, I like

918
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: leave alone, or like like transfer outside or something. Jumping

919
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: spiders are adorable and I love them, and they can

920
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: stay in the house because they are really cute.

921
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: I've never I don't know what jumping spider you're talking about,

922
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: but unfortunately, the only most recent jumping spider I had

923
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: discussed with anyone is like the Huntsman spider in Australia,

924
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 2: which sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

925
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, so so jumping really big.

926
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're talking about small.

927
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is a These are it's not

928
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: just these are not just spiders that jump. There's a

929
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: whole range of species of these, these spiders called spiders,

930
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: and they're tiny and they're cute. And I'm gonna find

931
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: a picture for you actually, because this is very important.

932
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: I mean, does it look like just so your average

933
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: little house spider that's kind of just really small and

934
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: doing it, doing its own thing real.

935
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: Like they are. They're like, to me, they are actively cute.

936
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find like a good

937
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: representation of why I find them cute.

938
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean, they are not a good sign that you're

939
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: having to come through multiple photos.

940
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm just saying, put one of your best eight

941
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: feet forward. It's uh, here we go. This one's this

942
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: is a good one because he's waving.

943
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, give me a wave. I'll take the wave.

944
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: Here we go. I'm sorry, the.

945
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 2: Scope of my whole day feels like you've changed thinking

946
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: about that pop.

947
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing.

948
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, well that looks like a tarantula kind

949
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: of kind But they're those are I don't know if

950
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: I've seen. I mean, I guess if I haven't seen,

951
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm night have to look. I mean, I show you.

952
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: Just a photo of what it looks like on something

953
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: like so you can see, yeah, what it looks like

954
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: without the close because this is like close up photography,

955
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: and then this is just what it looks like on

956
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: someone's hand.

957
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 2: All right, let's have a look at this or fingers.

958
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure I've seen those little guys. Yeah,

959
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: those little guys. Yeah, I don't have a problem with

960
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: those at all. Well I see those one except yeah

961
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, can they also like dangle down

962
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: on via a web or do they just jump? Like?

963
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: Do they do? You see them floating kind of like

964
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: like on your range top. I'll look and be like,

965
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: what are you doing?

966
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: Most of you doing this aren't really so much gonna

967
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: do that. Like most of them just kind of walk around.

968
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: They do produce webs to some extent. Some of them

969
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: are a little bigger. I actually still find the bigger

970
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: ones cute, like.

971
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: Are they eating gnats and stuff? Like? Are they eating?

972
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they kind of like down they're quite large.

973
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: You look like a little fairy kind of it's like

974
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: a hairy, very fairy fairy.

975
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: But he's got like a little mustache, which is actually

976
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: just it's petipalps, the little things on its face.

977
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 2: Extremely cute. Yeah, I mean again, you're kind of getting

978
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: into like something that yeah, sort of cartoonish looking exactly.

979
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: I like tarantula's and wolf spiders because I like their

980
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: little their fur, because fur it feels less threatening to

981
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: me than the hard what's that called precipice, crep escape.

982
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: What is it the I love carapace is I think carapace?

983
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: But I love I don't need to say it hard.

984
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: I love that. Those are great words.

985
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: Even if I can just get some of the syllables

986
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: or any of the letters, they don't even have to

987
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: be at Yeah, I don't need that shiny. I mean, boy,

988
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: if ever there was a that a creature that looked venomous,

989
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: it's a black widow. I mean, all power to them again,

990
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: I will kill them. But it's very impressive. How macabre

991
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: and for bo do.

992
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: They They're very much they they they as as the

993
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: kids say, they read the assignment, they.

994
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: Read the assignment.

995
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: But the funny thing about the funny thing now I'm

996
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: doing the tangent, But the funny thing about the hairs.

997
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: Like liking the fuzzy spiders, which I agree with, I

998
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: think they're cute. A lot of these fuzzy spiders have

999
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: what are called irridicating hairs. They are actually irritating hairs

1000
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: that are meant to like kind of come out like

1001
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot of tarantulas, like if you pet them, you

1002
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: actually kind of get a rash because they are meant

1003
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: to be protective parents are it's like, yeah, where it's like,

1004
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: don't pet me, like, but some of them you can

1005
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: actually pet because they're not they're not gonna hurt you.

1006
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: But a lot of tarantulas you pet them and then

1007
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: their hairs like kind of come off and then now

1008
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: you've got a rash on your whoops.

1009
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: But thank you.

1010
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Before before we take a break and move on

1011
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: to the next section, Uh, if you want to join

1012
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: sort of these cicada tracker community, you can go to

1013
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: cicadasafari dot org uh and kind of submit the photos

1014
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: or observations you make for cicada Gadden twenty twenty four.

1015
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're calling it cicada gaeddin. I'm

1016
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: trying to make that happen. I think they even have

1017
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: like an iPhone app. So, yeah, cicadasafari dot org and

1018
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: you can you too, can join in on the cicada adventure.

1019
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: So we are going to take a quick break and

1020
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: when we come back, we're gonna have one more short

1021
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: story about citizen sciencests discovering something really weird. All right, right,

1022
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: so we are back. Citizen science does not just occur

1023
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: in the US. It is an international phenomenon, and so

1024
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: in uh In India, in the Western Ghats, there was

1025
00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: a group of herpetology frog enthusiasts just kind of going

1026
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: around making observations, taking photos, and they found a frog

1027
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: with a mushroom growing out of it's But.

1028
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: Wow, I've I don't know what I would have needed

1029
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: to do to get ready for this. I know I

1030
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: didn't do it, and I'm not ready for it. And

1031
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a picture and I think I know

1032
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: which thing was a reference to the last of us.

1033
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: It's this. It's definitely this. So to be a little

1034
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: more honest, it's coming out of its rear flank. I

1035
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you can call that it's but I'm

1036
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say it. But and it's like a

1037
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: literal tiny I'm not talking about a fungal infection like oh,

1038
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: you know athletes. But it's a literal mushroom, little mushroom

1039
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: like a little a white stem and a white little cap.

1040
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: It's a tiny mushroom growing out of this poor, cute,

1041
00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: little innocent frog. Yeah yeah, so, uh, this frog is

1042
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: a h It is called I forgot its name. I

1043
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: wrote it down. The frog is a rouse golden black

1044
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: rows golden backed frog. Actually the full name is like

1045
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: rouse intermediate golden backed frog, which is a mouthful. I'm

1046
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: just gonna call it a little cutie. Uh. So it's

1047
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: it is alive, and so it's not like a situation

1048
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: where it's dead and then the mushroom's growing out of

1049
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: its dead body. That wouldn't be as interesting. No, it's

1050
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: alive and it has this tiny, perfect little mushroom growing

1051
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: out of its rump. These hobbyists, these these herpetology hobbyists

1052
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: like snapped a picture. They didn't capture the frog because

1053
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: they were being respectful. They didn't want to like, you know,

1054
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: mess with the environment at all. They but they they

1055
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: took a couple of pictures and they published their picture

1056
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: in the Journal of Reptiles and Amphibians and then frog

1057
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: that picture. Even more nature enthusiasts, like my cologists and

1058
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: like mushroom hobbyists like looked at this mushroom like trying

1059
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: to identify, will what is the mushroom? You know, what

1060
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: the frog is? What's the mushroom? The most likely candidate

1061
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 1: that they came up with is the bonnet mushroom, which

1062
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: is a mycena fungus that typically lives on rotting wood

1063
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: and not it is not known to like be a

1064
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: parasite of frogs. So this is really interesting.

1065
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: Wow, so what do we what do we do with this?

1066
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: Right? Like, is this like the start of sort of

1067
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: a last of Us frog apocalypse? I mean probably not, right,

1068
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: Like it could just be a fluke somehow. There there's

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00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: this thing where sometimes a it's actually in I don't

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00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: know if you'd call it my isis when it comes

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00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: to fungus, but when it comes to say like like

1072
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: larvae that accidentally become parasites, it's called my asis where

1073
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: it's like say, you get like a fly larvae in

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01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: your in your gut, and it's like living there. It's

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01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: not an obligate parasite. It doesn't need to be a parasite.

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01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: But then it has found its way inside a yeah,

1077
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: and it's making the best out of a bad situation.

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01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: That is what I would guess is going on with

1079
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: this this mushroom, like a spore somehow got under this

1080
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: frog's skin or inside of this frog. Yeah, then it

1081
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: managed to sprout its way out of the frog. But yeah,

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01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: it's still it's like extreme like the other option could

1083
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: be that there is a type of fungal infection. There's

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01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: that fungus. It is actually the fungus that the Last

1085
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: of Us game and a TV show is based on.

1086
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: It's called ophio cordisceps. And that does actually yeah, that

1087
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: does actually infect insects like ants, grasshopper, spiders and then

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01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: grows out of like it kills them, but then it

1089
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: like grows sprouts out of their body.

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01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: One of the all time great reality based yes, like

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: versions of Armageddon.

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I I appre I very much appreciate

1093
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: the the sort of I mean, so I did a

1094
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: whole You can probably look back in the show's history.

1095
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: We did an episode on the Last of Us like

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01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: mostly I really love it. There was one like one

1097
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: line where it was like they in the show saying like, oh,

1098
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: there's no treatment for fungus, Like we've got antibiotics, but

1099
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: we don't have anything.

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01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: Wait what that's not true.

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: It's not true at all. We have anti fungals.

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01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: In any way. Have you heard of athletes? We heard, yes,

1103
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: have you heard of yeah.

1104
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: And even for like brain like fungus, like there are

1105
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: there are fungi you know that can infect the brain.

1106
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: We have treatments for that too, and it's very books.

1107
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but you know, you have to have some

1108
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: kind of dramatic thing going on, I guess. Anyways, So

1109
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: this poor frog, it's got a little mushroom gering on it.

1110
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: But actually we don't it's a cute frog.

1111
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: It's a cute mushroom. They're both cute.

1112
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they're working together. We don't know. If this frog

1113
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: is upset with this mushroom. Maybe it doesn't even notice it.

1114
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they're friends. Who knows. Because like, frogs can be

1115
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: infected with fungus, but again, similar to athlete's foot, it's

1116
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: not like a whole mushroom, like a whole ass mushroom

1117
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: growing out of the ass of the frog. That's not

1118
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: like generally how fungal infections work in frogs. It's like

1119
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: a fungal infection and a human, you know, you might

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: see like a film or something on their skin, but

1121
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: it's not going to be like, hey, I'm a mushroom,

1122
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm growing out of this frog. So if you find

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: if you live in Indian and you live in the

1124
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: western guts, and you find a frog with a mushroom

1125
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: growing out of its butt, do take a photo. I mean,

1126
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: if you live anywhere and you find a mushroom.

1127
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: Growing out of a yeah frog, fair fair enough.

1128
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: Or anywhere out of the frog, take a photo, you know,

1129
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: because that might be interesting. Uh, who knows, Maybe this

1130
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: is a one time deal, Maybe it's a new trend,

1131
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's a new sort of frog fashion. We'll only

1132
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: know if we all join together to try to find

1133
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: more mushroom frogs.

1134
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very interesting. It's interesting in the sense that,

1135
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: of course, like I mean, you were of course you're

1136
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: talking about the idea of you know, something being more

1137
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: incidentally parasitic than being you know, intentionally. So, but when

1138
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: I see something like this, like what does jump into

1139
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: my mind is the sort of more I mean, I

1140
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 2: guess it's everything that's that spreads seeds through. But like

1141
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: thinking about you know, my dog picking up you know,

1142
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: briers or picking up you know, little thistles and stuff

1143
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: like that is intentionally going into his hair so that

1144
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: it can spread to a location that it couldn't get

1145
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: to otherwise. So, yeah, it's funny because like obviously this

1146
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily that, but it does feel like you could,

1147
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: in that way imagine somehow the mushroom is.

1148
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: Like I'd like to try, you know what I mean,

1149
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: I just yeah, dispersal is very important for a lot

1150
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 1: of sort of immobile organisms, and so in a way,

1151
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: like it's that's what ophiod cordyceps is doing with the insects.

1152
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: So one could imagine that this could adapt in order

1153
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: to use the frogs and in a lot of cases

1154
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: like an adaptation maybe sort of, you know, it is

1155
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: like a random thing that can happen, either a random

1156
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: mutation or something that happens right like maybe originally with

1157
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: the opiod cordyceps, like a curious ant eats it, you know,

1158
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: they eat these spores and then this starts to happen,

1159
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: and then the the fungus adapts more and more in

1160
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: order to exploit this situation. So you know, like even

1161
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: if this is an accident, right, it could the course

1162
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: of evolution could make it less and less of an accident.

1163
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: Where this smush is like, actually, I've got a pretty

1164
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 1: sweet deal here growing out of this frog, I got

1165
01:04:58,560 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: I got free transportation.

1166
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you kidding me? Absolutely? And as far as

1167
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: that poor little aunt, listen, we like curiosity. Don't feel

1168
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: like you can't be curious, but maybe just don't eat

1169
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: something in the wild. You can be curious and learn.

1170
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: You don't have to learn by eating a fungus. You're

1171
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 2: not sure about.

1172
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: Spores, and you just say no. The DARE program for

1173
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: ants did not work. H Nancy rag Ant was not

1174
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: to not to write.

1175
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: On this issue.

1176
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: So before we go, we do got to play a

1177
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: little game. It is called the Guess who squawk and

1178
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: Mystery Animal Sound game. Every week I play a mystery

1179
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: animal sound and you the listener, and you the guests,

1180
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: try to guess who is making that sound. The hint

1181
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: last week was this, this bearded fellow is the bell

1182
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: of the ball.

1183
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: WHOA?

1184
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: All right? So Janet, whoa?

1185
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: What happened at the end.

1186
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: It's an same animal, new sound, same animal.

1187
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: That was It dropped a sick beat at the end. Yeah, okay,

1188
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: this bearded beauty is the bearded beauty.

1189
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: This bearded beard fellow is the bearded fellow. Who's to

1190
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: say he's not beautiful? Though?

1191
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's so bearded. The thing that is confusing

1192
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: for me is like I'm realizing that I don't know

1193
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: if we use the word beard across like a bunch

1194
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: of difference fauna or if it because I feel like

1195
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: when I think of beard, I feel like, okay, well,

1196
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: I know that the people talk about bearded lizards. I

1197
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: know people talk about like, you know, bearded primates, people

1198
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, bearded dogs. Have I heard a

1199
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: beard describe?

1200
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: Like?

1201
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: Who's is there a bird out there that's being described

1202
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: as being bearded? I don't know so, but probably, I mean,

1203
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: I guess probably, But beard is funny to imagine with

1204
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: something with a beak, so I guess. So the problem

1205
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: was is that my first inclination when I heard that

1206
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 2: sound was to go monkey, because I because I heard bearded,

1207
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: and immediately it was like, oh, okay, well you know

1208
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: that's a chitterer chirp that could maybe be a bird

1209
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: and maybe be a monkey. Again as a total a

1210
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: person who has no idea about anything, um, then you

1211
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: hit me with the sounds at the end, and now

1212
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: I feel even more confused. That feels like again could

1213
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 2: not know less about animals. The something about the rhythmic

1214
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: nature of that almost felt more like well, it felt

1215
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: like it was coming from the chest or throat somehow,

1216
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: more like the sort of pulse of like right, like

1217
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: it's this kind of explanation of sound more than like

1218
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: up in the front of the mouth or the beak.

1219
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I again I'm basing this

1220
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing, but that kind of freaked me out because

1221
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: it was so consistent for so long that felt like

1222
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: maybe more of a bird sound. So I guess what

1223
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say is I'm completely and totally stumped,

1224
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: and it may be none of the things I've mentioned

1225
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 2: and be a totally different creature and I have no idea.

1226
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: You for someone who keeps saying like, oh, I don't

1227
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: know anything about animals, you your ability to zero in

1228
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: on the right questions is very impressive because you are right,

1229
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: this is a bird, okay, and it is coming from

1230
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: the throat, and you're right that this is a bearded bird.

1231
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: This is the bearded bell bird.

1232
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: So a bell of the ball. There was even more

1233
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: information packed into that clue than I realized.

1234
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: Yes, the clues, it's all, mister policeman. I've left all

1235
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: the clues. I don't remember them, but yeah, this is

1236
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: a bird found in South America. It is found in Venezuela, Trinidad, Tobago,

1237
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,879
Speaker 1: and northern Brazil. It lives in humid forests. They are forgiven.

1238
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,839
Speaker 1: There you are. Oh my goodness, you really have a beard.

1239
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: They really have a beard.

1240
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: You look like you hung it or you hung it

1241
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: around your neck.

1242
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: It is these are It kind of listens like feathers,

1243
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: but these are not feathers. These are actually wattles. So

1244
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: these are fleshy projections. Wow, coming off of their chin.

1245
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: They are Otherwise you know, they're they're nice looking. They

1246
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: have sort of like a brown head, a white body,

1247
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: and black wings. But it's that beard that is so

1248
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: unique about them.

1249
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: I have to say, it's clearly wattles. I mean, to me,

1250
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like feathers. You really can see that.

1251
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 2: It has the consistency of like almost like rubber. Like Yes,

1252
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 2: if you're tapped against them, they would be like they

1253
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 2: why did they need that for?

1254
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: That is to track the ladies to be as sexy

1255
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: as possible. They're not. You don't find that, you don't

1256
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: find that handsome.

1257
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm just so amazed because it's just

1258
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: one of those times where you know, look, I know

1259
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: we're not supposed to anthropomorphize, and I know that you know,

1260
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: we can't relate everything to humanity, but that being said,

1261
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: it's just so funny that you know, that's a real

1262
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 2: aesthetic choice, like like a like a strap and dude

1263
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: with like a big, great lumberjack beard, you know. I

1264
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: mean that's a look, and that's a look that you know,

1265
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: some people call like the Portland, Oregon look. You know,

1266
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: also like being bald and having a big beard. Like

1267
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: I have several friends who sort of are rocking that

1268
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: look and they wear it well, and I like them

1269
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: better with beards. I like my friends who have those beards.

1270
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 2: I like them better with them. And so it's amazing

1271
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: to me. Again, no shade to this bird unless it

1272
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 2: wants it, which it does because it's a venezuela. So

1273
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 2: it's a lot of greed. So some shade as a gift.

1274
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: It's just very funny that it's like, oh, I get it. Yeah,

1275
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: facial hair looks. Yeah, it's a good look for some people.

1276
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned that it's like not good to anthropomorphize, but

1277
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: I would say it's okay some situations, especially when it

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Speaker 1: comes to birds aesthetic choice, because a lot of these

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Speaker 1: choices are complete, they seem to be pretty subjective and

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Speaker 1: with no real like practical purpose, right, Like does this

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01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: model actually do anything. Well, not necessarily. It could just

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: be that the females are like that looks good. I

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01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: like that as is the call. The call is to

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01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: attract the females over and it's very very loud. It's

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: one of the loudest bird calls.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that is in order to get females to come

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01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: over from great distances. And then once they get there,

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: he will show off his amazing bird, his amazing beard,

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01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: his plumage and hope that she is impressed. H And

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01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean it kind of like to kind

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Speaker 1: of like people.

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Speaker 2: And I have to say too, I mean, as part

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01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: of that, like you hear that. And I was thinking

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: about that in terms of some of the little froggies

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Speaker 2: in Hawaii, for example, like part of being living inside

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: kind of a jungle environment. It seems like everybody's trying

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: to be louder than everybody else. So it must make

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01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: everyone so loud, Yeah, because there are so many sounds

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Speaker 2: and calls happening in a really lush landscape like that

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01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: that no wonder everybody has to play their music a

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: little bit louder than everybody else, you know it Also, yes, exactly,

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 2: this led me to it also offered me up. There's

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Speaker 2: lots of wonderful pictures of the bearded bell bird, but

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: it also offered me up the three the three wattle

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: bell birds. I don't know if you've seen this. I mean,

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 2: that is an amazing, like sort of Fu Manchu mustache. Yes,

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01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: and it is very special. Indeed, so I have two

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01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: new favorite birds there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the the billbirds are quite ostentatious. I highly encourage

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01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: you to explore them all. But yeah, their their facial

1312
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: business is incredible, uh and in diverse and yeah, absolutely

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01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: they are competing for yes.

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Speaker 2: No, this maating moment of like she's sitting nearby going yes, yes,

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 2: more please see.

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01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's it's amazing. Uh. It is very cute

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: and kind of pathetic the way males go to such

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01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: a lenks you across the females. No kidding, so sorry,

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01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: So onto the next mister animal sound. The hint is this, Well,

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01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: I've already given you a hint this episode, so no

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01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:32,839
Speaker 1: more hint. All right, you got any guesses?

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01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean, based on the hint about the hint, I

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: guess I would say it sounds like it could be

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01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: a and God, that's an irritating sound between that and

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01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 2: the sound of drones in the park when you're just like.

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: Wanting to have a nice walk you don't want to hear.

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01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: And the sound of a mosquito in your ear. I

1328
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: mean those are there's metallic, Yeah, those metallic multi level

1329
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 2: metallic person distant buzzes. Unfortunately to me, if you wanted

1330
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: to make a horror movie about people going crazy, not

1331
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 2: unlike you know, the sort of like great you know,

1332
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: great and good rabid zombie, you know, sort of like, oh,

1333
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: this is like Raby's it makes it wants to spread

1334
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: by blah blah blah. If there's some incentive to having

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01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: a sound that makes people want to hurt each other.

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like my temper is so

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: much shortened by being in that noise for a length

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01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: of time.

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: I wish you had written bird Box, because I think

1340
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: you could have made it.

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: There.

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01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: You go, Yeah, you are absolutely correct, so which means

1343
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to bleep out just your correct answer so

1344
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: other people can guess. But the people do know, they

1345
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: will know that you are correct, and so you can

1346
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: you have won the prize, which is a thumbs up.

1347
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm a painful pleaser. Just give me that.

1348
01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: Just give me that.

1349
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,879
Speaker 1: A A plus with a little wonderful. Well, it's scratch

1350
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: and sifts, you know, like a little Oh, you can

1351
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: better bundle of grapes or an orange or something. Man,

1352
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: I love it.

1353
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1354
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: Well, Janet, thank you so much for joining me today.

1355
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 2: We're people, Katie. They can find me, I guess mostly

1356
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: on Instagram. I'm decent on Instagram. Low Please don't DM me.

1357
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: Find me at my website Janetbarney dot com. I never

1358
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: check my dms, but on Instagram, at the JV Club,

1359
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: and you can listen to my podcast on Maximum Fund

1360
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: the JV Club. You can also listen to my podcast

1361
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: about Avatar the Last Airbender and the Legend of Korra

1362
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 2: that I do for Nickelodeon Paramount, which is called Braving

1363
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: the Elements. And if for some reason you're a true

1364
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 2: crime buff in addition to being a fan of all

1365
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 2: things natural and wonderful, you can also find me on

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 2: Truth and Justice, which is a wrongful convictions podcast.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me. This was I would do

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,839
Speaker 2: this every day. This is so fun. I love your podcast.

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01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: If Janet's voice sounds familiar and you're an Avatar the

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: Last Airbender fan, she is the voice of Cora uh

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01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: and I'm you've done other voices as well. It's I

1373
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: I have this thing that happens when, like, you know,

1374
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of cartoons because I refuse to

1375
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 1: grow up, and if I hear a voice actor or

1376
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: actress in I'm like, how do I know you?

1377
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: Like?

1378
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: Where do I know you from? Right?

1379
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: Because your voice is I do the same?

1380
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's like your voice is a little different

1381
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: from the character your voice because you're you're an actress,

1382
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: you do an actual character. Then it's like, man, where

1383
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: do I know you from?

1384
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's well. I always like to say Korra is

1385
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: just kind of stays at a more consistent, less cartoonish level,

1386
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 2: which is sort of ironic that like the cartoon I'm

1387
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: best known for is just the most kind of cool

1388
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: version of my voice, and then I'm more of a

1389
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: cartoon than she is. So that's kind of how that

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01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 2: panned out.

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01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: But it's like, but yeah, the NPR voice, But that's right, fantasy, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Well, thank you so much for joining me today.

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01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: And if you are enjoying the podcast and you leave

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Speaker 1: I print them out and I just kind of stack

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Speaker 1: them up and then you know, I you know, like

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Speaker 1: in the movies where they put a bunch of money

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Speaker 1: and then roll around on it. For some reason, I

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