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Speaker 1: Three and Out Podcast, A little mail bag, little weekend

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Speaker 1: mail bag, a little Sunday mail bag at John Middlecoff.

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Speaker 1: At John Middlecoff is the Instagram. The way you get

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Speaker 1: on this show. You fire into those direct messages and

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Speaker 1: you ask any question and uh I will answer it

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Speaker 1: or try to. You know, some people I miss. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a full proof Nick Saban level detail program here.

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Speaker 1: the show. But before we dive into any mail bag,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say that game that I just watched,

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Speaker 1: it's about five o'clock in the afternoon. No big deal.

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Speaker 1: Working on the weekend, UH was remarkable, and the SEC

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Speaker 1: has had a motto. I was watching my girlfriend and

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Speaker 1: she's watching everyone storm the field. They're carrying the post

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're gonna carry these posts downtown. I

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Speaker 1: I obviously have been to Nashville. I've never been to Knoxville, though.

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Speaker 1: My cousin Mark moved right by it and he said

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Speaker 1: it's it's awesome. I was texting with a buddy in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. He said, the facilities are badass campuses suite.

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Speaker 1: Listen Knoxville and the SEC in general, their motto is

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Speaker 1: it just means more. And sometimes mottos and things companies use,

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Speaker 1: or sports leagues use, or conferences used can be cheesy,

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Speaker 1: It's not even debatable and listen. I like, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh fan. I root for Michigan, and clearly the

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Speaker 1: I can't. I don't. They kind of bore me, you know, Michigan, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: I'm just drawn to what really matters and the SEC

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Speaker 1: I care about it. And obviously the influence Saban has

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Speaker 1: Do you watch how seriously the Phillies fans are taking

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Speaker 1: You want to be where people care, and there is

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Speaker 1: Now you can argue in Michigan, Ohio State, I will

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Speaker 1: They're good games are just better than the other good

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Speaker 1: What's your opinion on Roger's first guys like Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: no issues with quarterbacks throwing picks if they throw a

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Speaker 1: It does not matter Aaron Rodgers is judged in January

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Speaker 1: just wasn't risky enough. In my opinion. I've heard you

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Speaker 1: gonna hit fairways, I need to know what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I I just think he's not very risky. This is

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Speaker 1: a good question. Hey, John Love, the pod been following

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Speaker 1: you since you were doing calling segments on seven the game.

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Speaker 1: It's a long time ago. Probably two left tackles seem

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Speaker 1: to be the most important position and are compensated as such.

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Speaker 1: My question is what sort of attributes are needed for

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Speaker 1: each offensive line position. Just intuitively, it seems like center

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Speaker 1: would be the most difficult, but that's clearly not the case. Lastly,

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Speaker 1: is there something that makes certain players thrive on the

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Speaker 1: right side versus the left or can we safely say

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Speaker 1: that the top thirty two left tackles would become the

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Speaker 1: top thirty two right tackles if they change position. I

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Speaker 1: think you don't. I played a little right guarden, you know,

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Speaker 1: in high school. But part of it is you've heard

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Speaker 1: guys talk over the years the hand placement, the foot

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Speaker 1: or opposite. So some guys are comfortable in a certain spot,

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Speaker 1: like Lane Johnson is Lane Johnson had the talent to

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Speaker 1: play left tackle, hell yeah, but he got comfortable at

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Speaker 1: right tackle. They never moved him. Howard Mudd always believed

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Speaker 1: that everyone acted like, oh, this guy doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: athleticism to play left tackle, put him in right tackle.

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Speaker 1: I vividly remember sitting there with a buddy who's scout

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Speaker 1: with the Eagles, and him looking at us going because

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Speaker 1: we're like, oh, yeah, this guy's bad athlete. Put him

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Speaker 1: on the right side. Howard's like, what the fund does

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Speaker 1: that mean? And he spent a lot of time in

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Speaker 1: Indie with those paid manning teams. He's like, I got

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Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney on one side, and I got Robert Mathis

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Speaker 1: on the other side. And think about the league now,

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Speaker 1: it's like Joey Boas on one side, Khalil Mack on

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Speaker 1: the other side, I got Nick Boss on this side,

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Speaker 1: and I got Drake Jackson on this side. I got

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Speaker 1: whoever I mean Clowney and Miles Garrett. Like most teams

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Speaker 1: now have several rushers and even Aaron Donald. Look last week,

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Speaker 1: I was watching the Cowboy game. What do they do?

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Speaker 1: And they do this over the Niners over the years

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Speaker 1: when they've had backups in there. When you have a

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Speaker 1: random tackle, whether it's the right tackle or the left tackle,

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Speaker 1: or a young guy, a rookie, they will put Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald at defensive end. Aaron Donald got a sack last

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Speaker 1: week going against the left tackle. Football is just a

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Speaker 1: game of Remember Belichick saying this on that segment thing

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Speaker 1: he did with Rich Eisen where they did the top

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Speaker 1: one hundred players, and I think he used like the

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Speaker 1: the art of war. He's like, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a very it's we over complicate the sport. I want

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Speaker 1: to take our strengths against your weaknesses and avoid our

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Speaker 1: weaknesses for your strengths. And when we can find our

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Speaker 1: strengths to your weaknesses and take advantage of it, we

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Speaker 1: have a chance to win. So I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: that much different in modern day. There just aren't that

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Speaker 1: many guys with the athleticism to play tackle because part

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Speaker 1: of it you need the feet. You need the strength

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Speaker 1: and you need the size. So you know, typical tackles

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Speaker 1: six four to six, six long arms, three pounds, who

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Speaker 1: could move? How many humans like that are on the planet,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta be tough. Guard and center. I can

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Speaker 1: be smaller because you're in more compact area and typically

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Speaker 1: you've got help. Tackles don't really have help, a little

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Speaker 1: bit like a corner if he doesn't have safety help.

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Speaker 1: You're somewhat on an island where I can get by

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Speaker 1: with guard and definitely center where you always got guys

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Speaker 1: on the on both sides of your shoulders. So it's

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Speaker 1: just from a size standpoint, I can get by with

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Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey who was six two and a half six

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Speaker 1: three pounds, right, he could not play tackle because he's

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Speaker 1: not big enough. He's just not long enough. But you

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Speaker 1: can be much more compact inside, but you would still

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Speaker 1: depending on your scheme, like some schemes more power, where

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Speaker 1: I'm just using you know, the essentially just trying to

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Speaker 1: push you off a spot, and then the Shanahan scheme,

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Speaker 1: which is more zone, which is more of a positional

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Speaker 1: blocking scheme. But I'm running, you know, my feet are

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Speaker 1: moving at higher rates of speed, so I need a

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Speaker 1: better athlete. I I think the number one thing is

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Speaker 1: is size differences. Is why a guy ends up a

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Speaker 1: guard or center and not a tackle. Would middle of

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Speaker 1: the road left tackle be one of the better right tackles,

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Speaker 1: You know, it just depends. Some guys might. But some

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Speaker 1: guys might not be comfortable, you know, alternating the feet

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Speaker 1: in their hands. Now, maybe you could learn it over time,

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Speaker 1: but some guys never were able to. Some guys can

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Speaker 1: do both. It's why your backup swing tackle the guy

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Speaker 1: when you build your fifty three man roster, your number

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Speaker 1: one backup for your offensive line is a backup swing tackle.

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Speaker 1: I mean a guy that can play left and right tackle,

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Speaker 1: and your backup swing guard who ideally can play center

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Speaker 1: to so he basically you know he's not as good

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Speaker 1: as any of your starters, but so you have two guys.

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Speaker 1: One guy can play left and right tackle. That guy

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Speaker 1: is very valuable. And then ideally you have another backup

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Speaker 1: that could play center or left or right guard. Now

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Speaker 1: that guy is a downgrade at every position or he'd

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Speaker 1: be a starter, but he has the versatility which keeps

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Speaker 1: him on the roster. Would five Trent Williams be better

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Speaker 1: be a better line of all pros and their perspective positions.

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Speaker 1: I think Trent could, you know, assuming he would be

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Speaker 1: comfortable playing on the right side, he would obviously dominated

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Speaker 1: both tackles spots. I think he could pretty seamlessly play guard,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he would be an all pro guard. So

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Speaker 1: if he could play right tackle, that means he could

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Speaker 1: play a right guard, so he would be elite at

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Speaker 1: left guard, right guard, and right tackle. He'd be a

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Speaker 1: pretty massive center. Uh, it would be hard because he's long,

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Speaker 1: you know, it would be a little weird that that

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Speaker 1: that might be kind of tough. But I think at

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Speaker 1: the four positions he dominated guard, and he obviously would

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Speaker 1: dominate a right tackle, assuming he could, you know, put

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Speaker 1: his opposite hand in that he would fucking dominate center.

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Speaker 1: Would be a little weird, Uh, but it might work.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, but I would doubt it. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's he's a freak, so maybe not. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last question, I'm getting tired of these overtime games. Why

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Speaker 1: not just give L and L as in losses the

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Speaker 1: both teams and move on clearly a tie overtime Shenan

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Speaker 1: against me, Neither teams good enough to win, so just

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Speaker 1: make them both loose. As an NFL fan, I'd be happy,

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Speaker 1: and fans of divisional opponents of the losing team would

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Speaker 1: be a static. Above all, you could remove the annoying

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Speaker 1: third column from the win lost table piece. By the way,

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Speaker 1: is Middle coop Russian? It's German? I think. Um, I

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Speaker 1: would say, I'm all for it. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: told me that you wanted to say, of no ties,

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Speaker 1: the game ends and regulation and it's tied, you both

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Speaker 1: get a loss or maybe even allow overtime. But if

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Speaker 1: you're tied at the end of overtime, you both get

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Speaker 1: a loss. I'm cool. I'm with you. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: are we doing? What's a tie? Like they say, it's

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Speaker 1: like kissing your sister. Uh, don't have a sister, but

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Speaker 1: that would obviously be pretty gross. What you're from certain

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Speaker 1: parts of the country, then you know, who knows, Maybe

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Speaker 1: they're doingto that. I don't know, but yeah, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. Uh, I'm all for it. Ties are very

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Speaker 1: very dumb. This isn't you know Little league or peewee

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Speaker 1: football is the National Football League. So just you can't tie.

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Speaker 1: In college football, you play until someone wins. I'd rather

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Speaker 1: do that play until someone wins or both get losses.

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