Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect
Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio and his Drink chas motherfucking podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a legendary queen's rapper, he'saigree that's your boy Nor
Speaker 1: he's a Miami hippop pioneer d J e f N.
Speaker 1: Together they drinking up with some of the biggest players
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Speaker 1: Drinking Champs. Trick up, motherfucker up. Would a good be
Speaker 1: hoping he would should be? This your boy and o
Speaker 1: R What up is d J e f N. This
Speaker 1: drink has motherfucking yapia makes up right now. When we
Speaker 1: talk about legends, you talk about the man who has
Speaker 1: been consistent since the nineties, kept it out there, kept
Speaker 1: it going. When I googled him, this was kind of crazy,
Speaker 1: today was, well, it was kind of crazy to today was.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how many people you were beating with.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. I was like, wow, like she just
Speaker 1: kept leaving me the other ship and understand. But anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get back to I mean, the man is a
Speaker 1: we can't call him a he's a super legend. You
Speaker 1: know when you you could really say this, but when
Speaker 1: you think of a city, you think of a man
Speaker 1: that was there, like that's that's who. He's there, holding
Speaker 1: down the whole city and just keep getting better and
Speaker 1: better and better and better. And at first like was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? You realize he's saying ship it's
Speaker 1: not you know, you know what I mean. It's in
Speaker 1: case you don't know who what we're talking about. We're
Speaker 1: talking about one the only motherfucker' twister Mason not twist.
Speaker 1: You literally got songs with everybody. Yeah, literally the Champagne.
Speaker 1: It's the Champagne going we are looking crazy, man, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You're so but you got songs
Speaker 1: with everybody. Yeah, it's a bunch of people. Man. So
Speaker 1: so what is that like you do like collaborating? Is
Speaker 1: that something that's that's that's uh yeah, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: collaborating one just off the top, just just you know,
Speaker 1: because it's it's my craft. I like doing it. But
Speaker 1: the other thing too, is like you got a lot
Speaker 1: of people that won't get on a song for a
Speaker 1: particular reason or they might think it's or something like that. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like they're collaborating with with with somebody else.
Speaker 1: They might uh not want to do a song because
Speaker 1: they don't like it. But me, like, I'll hear a
Speaker 1: song and I'll find a way or reason to be
Speaker 1: able to do it and still pull out of it
Speaker 1: what I want to. So that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I do a lot of collap bals. What's your favorite
Speaker 1: collap was with rappers or R and B singers because
Speaker 1: you got both equally? Oh that's a harbor. Probably probably
Speaker 1: rapp Us, you know, you know, because I get to go,
Speaker 1: you know, back and forth with somebody and then a
Speaker 1: lot of times you still have an R and B
Speaker 1: singer on there too, So probably rapp Us. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's take it back West side of Chicago, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got notes and ship Kate Town area. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's say let's take us to the Yeah, you Kate
Speaker 1: Town area, and this is where you start, this is
Speaker 1: where you developed because I heard you they said that
Speaker 1: you learned it through a stereo. You was listening to
Speaker 1: hip hop and you you felt like, what's the earliest
Speaker 1: stuff you were here, the earliest stuff that inspired you.
Speaker 1: I mean really like listening to see I was on
Speaker 1: the West side of Chicago, but we we had uh
Speaker 1: h p K. This was a college radio station, JP
Speaker 1: Chill on on the on the South side, and he
Speaker 1: played a lot of hip hop and you know the Mecca,
Speaker 1: you know, New York. It was a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: I was listening to as well as a bunch of
Speaker 1: artists on the South side of Chicago, people like d
Speaker 1: A Smart, a bunch of people doing anything. And uh
Speaker 1: so that's how I really really got into it and
Speaker 1: really got like advanced because I was able to hear
Speaker 1: a lot of records that a lot of people wouldn't
Speaker 1: have heard if JP Chill wasn't playing them joint so
Speaker 1: so so I was just really the manager Eric de
Speaker 1: Wiz right too, right, yeah, okay, And he worked for
Speaker 1: the radio station. Yeah, he was working for the radio stations.
Speaker 1: And you took you do how like? Because like I
Speaker 1: just asked Pat Poost this because he kind of got
Speaker 1: on through K Slave and K Slave was working for
Speaker 1: seven So I always thought that that was a plus
Speaker 1: for Pat Poots. He was telling me that was a
Speaker 1: negative because people always would be like, well, uk Slave, boy,
Speaker 1: you don't need my help. Yeah, I mean it definitely
Speaker 1: was some hurdles in there, you know, it was from hurdles,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it was just being from from
Speaker 1: the city, being from Chicago, new to the game, learning it,
Speaker 1: you know, not not really being accepted. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of Chicago hip hop artist gap. So we was new,
Speaker 1: you know, coming from the city. You know, so like,
Speaker 1: let let's go. Do you want to why the sea?
Speaker 1: I think I think what we're going on? Like in
Speaker 1: New York we see that ship, were like what the
Speaker 1: man we was? We was around him a lot. Man
Speaker 1: you had, you had Bishop Bishop, so him being from Chicago,
Speaker 1: we was coming outside. He was on Madison Street. We're
Speaker 1: seeing him every day, you know, so him, a lot
Speaker 1: of the guys around. You know. It was just the
Speaker 1: vibe and then the music, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of a lot with the music.
Speaker 1: Then my man A K from dew or Die. He
Speaker 1: was the one that you know, came to me with
Speaker 1: the song like let's you know, like I want you
Speaker 1: to jump on this song. So so it was just
Speaker 1: the vibe that we was on at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: you ever pimped, No, I ain't question you dry for
Speaker 1: half an hour. It didn't work for half I ain't
Speaker 1: got that one. Now. Trust we know you're in the
Speaker 1: gun camp and all that, But today we want you
Speaker 1: to know this is drink chance. This about we celebrate
Speaker 1: our artists. It's about time you get your motherfucking flowers.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. We're gonna drink some champagne. Which, look,
Speaker 1: you just told us you play out at least at
Speaker 1: least in your mind a little bit, right me too.
Speaker 1: Don't work for people. We're gonna celebrate you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: drink up this goddamn champagne. You're gonna have some drinks
Speaker 1: with me. Man, Come on that I might take one.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on now, come on. Oh you know
Speaker 1: you know the day of the show is called drink camps. Right,
Speaker 1: let me pull you up, Let me pull you up.
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, let me pull you up. So what
Speaker 1: you've been up to? Man? Man? You already know. Man,
Speaker 1: just doing doing a lot of a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of instructing, a lot of shooting. You know, still
Speaker 1: doing my music thing. You know, I got some businesses going,
Speaker 1: you know, still out here moving around and enjoying my life.
Speaker 1: You know, trying to uh, how you adapting to social media? Um?
Speaker 1: It was crazy at first, I think for everybody, but
Speaker 1: you know, I came along. I think I think, once
Speaker 1: you really are passionate about something, you know, because people
Speaker 1: you came from Chipler's circuit, like you know, like when
Speaker 1: Nis like that was the real chip from you have
Speaker 1: to you have to actually go to the clubs to
Speaker 1: get these fans exactly, just go online and get these fans?
Speaker 1: Are you cool with that? Is that take you to
Speaker 1: your drink? So? I think it's uh, I think it's
Speaker 1: come on, what's going on here? On? You adapt into? Um,
Speaker 1: you're adapted into I think. Um. I think with with
Speaker 1: early on like technology, you know, we couldn't get to it.
Speaker 1: So and then you had a few people, you know,
Speaker 1: you had a few artists. You ain't you didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of people to battle way, but it was
Speaker 1: hard to get to the technology. But then I think
Speaker 1: once we got to it, you had everybody doing it.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, it's kind of hand in hand,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think one way is harder than the other.
Speaker 1: I think right now it's eating like it's easy to
Speaker 1: promote yourself, but you gotta promote yourself next to the
Speaker 1: person next to the person next to the person quarters
Speaker 1: and ship too, right, you're this precious? Remember this who precious? No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't mean man the actor. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember the situation that happened. Yeah, what happened? You know,
Speaker 1: someone's going on with my social media. You know some
Speaker 1: some some people was working with social media at the time,
Speaker 1: and and uh got a little too loose with with
Speaker 1: the fingers, you know, because you know that definitely ain't
Speaker 1: my vibe, you know for sure, you know, and then
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the true fans they already know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that wasn't twisted. That wasn't twisted. So
Speaker 1: you know, you know, my apologies to her too. I
Speaker 1: did apologize, but yeah, that wasn't my vibes. Make some
Speaker 1: noise for that. But let's let's go back. How did
Speaker 1: you get into chopping? Like? What inspired you to start fast?
Speaker 1: As you started rhyming? Um, you know you might have
Speaker 1: different different names for it, but I just got into
Speaker 1: it really just just early on. Want to switch up
Speaker 1: the style a little bit, you know, everybody doing like
Speaker 1: punchlines metaphors. I'm like, but I was like rhythmical with it,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to just do something different, So I
Speaker 1: started just playing with the cadence and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Then it would be like a spurt Head, then a
Speaker 1: spurt Dad. And one day I just decided I want
Speaker 1: to make a whole song like that. You know, you
Speaker 1: start hearing other rappers doing what you're doing a little
Speaker 1: bit too, you know, so I'm like, damn, okay, let
Speaker 1: me make a whole verse like this, you know. So
Speaker 1: then I made this verse called Mr. The Tongue Twister.
Speaker 1: Then that's when everybody's yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know,
Speaker 1: then I just dropped the tongue calling twister. You know.
Speaker 1: So the other rappers they were young, You was tongue.
Speaker 1: Look at this dude, you know. Did you and the
Speaker 1: dude from Nicks every battle. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: keep feeling like I heard that. No we didn't. We
Speaker 1: didn't actually battle, but me and him we had that
Speaker 1: vibe like like he was spitting on his level, I
Speaker 1: was spitting on my level. We saw each other that Uh.
Speaker 1: It was one of the one of I think it
Speaker 1: was in San Francisco, one of the big conventions or
Speaker 1: one of the things they had back in the days,
Speaker 1: and we saw each other and just yeah, chick foo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, we caught that vibe, but we
Speaker 1: ended up chopping it up, you know. So so we
Speaker 1: never got a chance to do a record together, but
Speaker 1: you know, we still probably end up doing something. But yeah,
Speaker 1: chick foo, we we actually had a little fear for
Speaker 1: each other. I was listening to that style. I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: let's killing it, and then he was listening to me, like,
Speaker 1: surely killing you know. So we chopped it up about
Speaker 1: that a little bit. That was fun. So let's just
Speaker 1: be clear. M hm. With the first fastest tongue in
Speaker 1: the world. Man, it's debatable, Man, it's debatable. Okay, I
Speaker 1: feel like you're being too humble, so I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: you say that. But why is it debatable? Let me
Speaker 1: hear that you got people that feel other people started
Speaker 1: like you know, you got you got some people feel
Speaker 1: bone thugs and how many started it? Some people feel
Speaker 1: treached on it? Then you got I can go back
Speaker 1: further than that with records like uh, jay Z and
Speaker 1: jazz O doing originators, records like that, LLL doing records
Speaker 1: like why do you think they call it that was
Speaker 1: that was almost two thousand. No, no, not nothing. It
Speaker 1: was it was, it was, it was, it was. It
Speaker 1: was pretty bad. Yeah, that's after. That's after. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't no, it's wait further back now, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it goes back flavor. But that's not what he just said.
Speaker 1: He just said originators. That was what you think about
Speaker 1: that record? Yeah, but no, but he's but he's talking
Speaker 1: about probably when they didn't did it before. I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was a time frame. I
Speaker 1: think everybody was dabbling in it and everybody wanted to
Speaker 1: claim it. You know, so this book of World Records
Speaker 1: came and said this is that nigger. Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: You know, how did that feel? Like? What kind of
Speaker 1: because you know, we like we're getting plaques and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, but how did that feel?
Speaker 1: When again it's the World Records called you, Like, who
Speaker 1: gives you that call? Your manager? I was I was
Speaker 1: on Loud Records at the time, you know, Loud Records
Speaker 1: the Roster and uh it was Fade, my man Fade.
Speaker 1: He was there at the time, and he told me, man,
Speaker 1: you know what's this record? Uh? And again this book
Speaker 1: for the for the world's fastest syllables and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like five hundred some syllables in sixty seconds different ships.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that technically mean. I just
Speaker 1: know what some smart ship some fashion it was. But
Speaker 1: you know it was like a gift to me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, you know, it was the perfect promotion to
Speaker 1: for me. So I got in there, you know, try
Speaker 1: to see why I was that with it. You know,
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I'm gonna stop at six hundred syllables
Speaker 1: in sixty seconds. So I was off about two syllables.
Speaker 1: But it was cool. Now did that Did that get
Speaker 1: every other rapper who thought that they were fast? Or
Speaker 1: for you? Or that made people want to challenge you more? Um,
Speaker 1: probably later on because the you know, nobody really broke
Speaker 1: the record for a long time. Like by the time
Speaker 1: somebody started messing with it, I was like out of
Speaker 1: that with it. So so for a long time people
Speaker 1: really respected and I think, you know, so the record,
Speaker 1: I forgot the shorty name and one of them shorties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I was I was on the
Speaker 1: making records and doing other things about then, so so
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted. I actually wanted somebody to
Speaker 1: come like I stopped that six hundred syllables because I
Speaker 1: knew I could go further, but I stopped. Nobody never
Speaker 1: challenged the record, so you know, I just wrote it
Speaker 1: out and I got into making music. You know, now,
Speaker 1: how did so? I loved how you just said, um
Speaker 1: when I asked you, uh, the inventors of this style?
Speaker 1: You did say track you said, some people say the
Speaker 1: tracks you said, some people say boom. Yeah, what if
Speaker 1: you had to say? Because I want to talk about
Speaker 1: you know, y'all discrepancies. Is me being honest with it,
Speaker 1: Me being honest with it, Like I said, you got
Speaker 1: you got like like rapids developing at this time. You know,
Speaker 1: people people are getting more advanced with it, like playing
Speaker 1: what they shoot a little bit. And I just think
Speaker 1: I think it was growing everywhere early nights and I
Speaker 1: think everybody was kind of playing with the style a
Speaker 1: little bit and coming up with a way to switch
Speaker 1: the cadence up. And I just think you had people
Speaker 1: doing it and and and they respected areas, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever was that and you know, because we had Kanye
Speaker 1: on here, and I think that's what he says said
Speaker 1: that was the only difference between um jay Z and
Speaker 1: nas is that jay Z knows how to chop and no,
Speaker 1: not a chop. And I've really understand until I'm actually
Speaker 1: going and I was like, oh, that's what y'all really
Speaker 1: call it? So you did did, because yeah, you came
Speaker 1: out like yeah, yeah. And if they would say tretch,
Speaker 1: then that means tretch tretching them was late eighties, right,
Speaker 1: it really were. Remember they had the group before. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're counting the group before Naughty, there was a
Speaker 1: group before. Yeah, they talked about it with us man
Speaker 1: for god, what what what group you're talking about? They
Speaker 1: had a group. They had a different name something. Somebody
Speaker 1: pulled up a different name for the group before. It
Speaker 1: was not by nature. And then then he said bones dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bone would come out if you came out
Speaker 1: ninety one. Bone came out, but I don't want I
Speaker 1: think they came out ninety four, right, b Yeah, bone
Speaker 1: was definitely ninety It had ninety four. Okay, So and
Speaker 1: you was using that style on record in ninety one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if you were talking about even Fushnikins, that's
Speaker 1: way early nineties as well. That's what year was it? Wrong?
Speaker 1: But what you say, Yeah, ninety two fushing against you. See,
Speaker 1: so if we're going by just google right now, you're
Speaker 1: coming out nine one only one ninety two. I hadn't
Speaker 1: heard that style until you came out. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think, uh, I put a stamp on it.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I put my foot in it.
Speaker 1: You know, so you actually who invented it or that,
Speaker 1: you know, you got different versions of it. I just
Speaker 1: I might consider myself the Michael Jordan's version of it.
Speaker 1: But you know that. But but like you said, people
Speaker 1: could have been doing it in their city wait before
Speaker 1: anybody heard it. That's what kind of what you probably
Speaker 1: was saying there when nobody would have known. Right now, Now,
Speaker 1: what's the relationship with comment me in Comment? Not cool?
Speaker 1: Like we don't talk a lot or anything. But when
Speaker 1: we see each other, you know, we always chop it up,
Speaker 1: you know, talk about a few things. Yeah, we're cool.
Speaker 1: We we just got a cool relationship. What's your relationship
Speaker 1: with the young Drill music and shot town Man? It's
Speaker 1: usually cool all the time. You know, somebody might call
Speaker 1: me ump, you know, I got war Hall might call
Speaker 1: me what up? You know, so so it's always uh,
Speaker 1: it's always cool, man. You know. Sometimes they might ask
Speaker 1: me certain things or for advice, but most of the
Speaker 1: time they just look at me and call me O,
Speaker 1: G man, what up O? G what up O? You
Speaker 1: don't want me to come to the studio sometime? Check
Speaker 1: them out? Hop on a record or two here and there.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, stuff like that that makes some noise
Speaker 1: for that now you was he was kicking it with
Speaker 1: our Kelly for uple for a minute too. You were
Speaker 1: kicking it. When you keep you we can do it
Speaker 1: back on me easy. That literally got he got some records.
Speaker 1: And that's just you know, besides being funny. Um, there
Speaker 1: wasn't nothing like that, but described to the people who
Speaker 1: are was before we knew who are is? Man? That
Speaker 1: was the man he was. He was the man like
Speaker 1: like it was debatable who was who was the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time? You might hear a lot of people
Speaker 1: say a bunch of things, but when you start lining
Speaker 1: them records up and what he put out and how
Speaker 1: he was doing it, and the live performances and the
Speaker 1: songs that he wrote for other people, stuff like that,
Speaker 1: like his body of work and what he was doing
Speaker 1: and how much of a perfectionist he was and man,
Speaker 1: he was like one of the greatest man you know,
Speaker 1: and if you got a chance to work with him,
Speaker 1: you know, you you felt solidified. You know, you felt
Speaker 1: like you was in the game and you had to
Speaker 1: get you know, you got you a shot if you
Speaker 1: got a chance to work with r. Kelly, you know,
Speaker 1: especially for your city, because it was like to tell
Speaker 1: you to too. But that was like the first artists
Speaker 1: like to break out, like to be now act. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was, he was the man. He was the man
Speaker 1: in the city. Man. We had a huge yeah for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we can't make a noise for that because she's
Speaker 1: gonna get real with me too, I'm gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about because the career side, they can't make no noise
Speaker 1: for that one right there. It's just a god damn
Speaker 1: you brought it up. Hey man, listen, I listen, man,
Speaker 1: because you're my friend. I still had to google and
Speaker 1: do my due diligence that what's going on, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So yeah, all right, let's go. You
Speaker 1: also had you gotta record with Chris Brown. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: make a movie, make a movie. Uh just really wanted
Speaker 1: them on the joint. Yeah, that was a joint. I
Speaker 1: wanted them all like like me, my crew were just
Speaker 1: mutually decided at the time. I forgot what record we
Speaker 1: was listening to at the time, but we felt that
Speaker 1: it was dope. If he's seen that particular record. You
Speaker 1: know what I was. You know what I noticed about you.
Speaker 1: You make a lot of records for the feet else.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that because you're so lyrical.
Speaker 1: You gotta way with being super hip hop. Like all
Speaker 1: the hip hop hip hoppers love you because you're a
Speaker 1: hip hopper. But you you get away with stilling some
Speaker 1: great singles. That's for the ladies and nobody cause you commercial.
Speaker 1: I think, man, you gotta have that. You gotta have it.
Speaker 1: You know some some of the big artists, you know,
Speaker 1: they're able to do that and it's nothing. They go
Speaker 1: to their they go to their rap ship, they go
Speaker 1: to that type of vibe. So so I just think
Speaker 1: you gotta have it. That's one thing too. I think
Speaker 1: it helps that my cadence is really like that whole
Speaker 1: double time cadence is really an R and B or
Speaker 1: slow song type of cadence. So I think that kind
Speaker 1: of plays into it too, that you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: rapping on a certain tempo. They fit on the same
Speaker 1: melodies that people sing songs on. So a lot of
Speaker 1: times that's how a lot of those features came about
Speaker 1: to with with me doing and then just the songs
Speaker 1: in general. That was like that. It was easy to
Speaker 1: put like R and B artists and singles on certain hooks,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was the vibe. Did you did
Speaker 1: you ever question changing your style or did anybody ever
Speaker 1: tell you, oh, this is already hell yeah old yeah
Speaker 1: all the time? Yeah, shit like rapping fast yeah, you
Speaker 1: know the first ship I heard, you know, because we
Speaker 1: were from Chicago, so ain't nobody accepted it? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So the first thing I'm rapping, boom,
Speaker 1: what's the first thing you think they said? When I'm wrapping,
Speaker 1: nobody hearing this ship yet, and I just come out wrapping.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what you get the funk out of
Speaker 1: here with the fast ship. Get the funk out of
Speaker 1: here with the fast ship. We don't know what, you know,
Speaker 1: So that I had to deal with a lot of
Speaker 1: that then, you know, like just being from the city
Speaker 1: and we're not really being accepted as artists, you know,
Speaker 1: like people look at us more as fans and ship
Speaker 1: you know, they come there and rock out. Yeah, Chicago fans,
Speaker 1: they didn't really look at us too much as artists
Speaker 1: at the time. So I felt like, you know, you
Speaker 1: just have to break into Kanye West. We're talking about
Speaker 1: he's probably going further back, going back when remember me
Speaker 1: and Comment is the first two artists that that pretty
Speaker 1: much came out. Yeah. Yeah, So so we were talking
Speaker 1: like no Idea was in front line at that No, no,
Speaker 1: it was coming yeah yeah. And he still had twilight
Speaker 1: tone around two at the time, so yeah yeah. And
Speaker 1: you saying, so I don't understand. So you're saying that
Speaker 1: shot Town wasn't respected at that time. It's the same
Speaker 1: thing I've been telling you, man, the same thing said,
Speaker 1: we wasn't accepted for not not like other genres of music,
Speaker 1: but rap shit, No, Chicago wasn't being heard. Not at
Speaker 1: the time. I was trying to come out like we had.
Speaker 1: I was. I was the artist that had to tell
Speaker 1: everybody Chicago was dope and that its motherfucker's here and
Speaker 1: wait till y'all come hearing. Like I was the one
Speaker 1: that had to go out there and speak that ship.
Speaker 1: You know what they especially me being from like the
Speaker 1: West Side of Chicago and not really having the same
Speaker 1: kind of hip hop vibe or hip hop style that
Speaker 1: most rappers have. So it was double double drama on
Speaker 1: my end trying to bust in the door. So I
Speaker 1: was one of the first artists had to let him
Speaker 1: know about the city that Chicago was slept on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he always says that about Miami, like Miami was
Speaker 1: slept on every city outside of New York and maybe
Speaker 1: l A and Atlanta. At the point was man, Miami
Speaker 1: was killing it a little bit that but early on
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like in the hip hop industry, like
Speaker 1: I always talking about it that New York had a
Speaker 1: pigeonholed on at least the corporations that record labels, the media,
Speaker 1: so they weren't looking at everybody else. They just wasn't
Speaker 1: allowing us in. Just hate a dog, it's not hate
Speaker 1: it the same thing he says, the same way we
Speaker 1: all fell down. I think I think a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of other cities felt like that at the time.
Speaker 1: A lot of other places felt like that at the
Speaker 1: time when early on, because New York was the mecca
Speaker 1: of it, was only going on there and everybody else
Speaker 1: was trying to do what New Yorkers are exactly. So
Speaker 1: we share similar feelings in that as so you ever
Speaker 1: felt like your city wasn't supporting you though it was
Speaker 1: harder for you in your city, like it's it's it
Speaker 1: seems like everyone who makes it somewhere they try in
Speaker 1: their city, but then they actually go outside the city.
Speaker 1: I think early on, you face a lot of problems
Speaker 1: early on, Like even when I look at some of
Speaker 1: the younger cats, they face it a lot early on
Speaker 1: than that. At a certain point they breakthrough and then
Speaker 1: and then the city starts to accept them as as
Speaker 1: you know, uh, the ones like O. G. S Or
Speaker 1: Man they put it on, you know, they put the
Speaker 1: city on like that. But early on a lot of
Speaker 1: times when you're coming coming from Chicago, you gotta break
Speaker 1: through a lot of hate, you know, and it might
Speaker 1: be close. It's gonna be everywhere around you. So so
Speaker 1: you gotta break through a lot of hate and know
Speaker 1: how to navigate when you come out of my city.
Speaker 1: My mom that passed away, j R. Yeah, rest in
Speaker 1: peace to Timbuctwo. Was he was he part of the team. No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't like right in the team, but he was
Speaker 1: definitely my man. Every time they don't have his events
Speaker 1: in Chicago, I try to go represent, you know, because
Speaker 1: they still do something every year for him, and everybody
Speaker 1: comes out and yeah, Timbucto is still alive. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Let's make some noise for that goddamn
Speaker 1: it work. So you're going, is this it's because Kanye
Speaker 1: produced both the records right for when you say both
Speaker 1: the records, which you mean the two first singles, um
Speaker 1: as far as Slow Jams and Overnight Celebrity. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: already knew Kanye as a producer or no, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we already knew Kanye because yeah, in the shot in
Speaker 1: the city, you know, we we already knew. I knew
Speaker 1: each other. You know. We one of my guys from
Speaker 1: back in the day's named tom Chi. He knew all
Speaker 1: of the rappers and he was like, man, let me
Speaker 1: introduce you to my man Kanye. And we used to
Speaker 1: see him up North rapping all the time. I met
Speaker 1: him as a rapper first, then later on me and
Speaker 1: tempt You used to go to this house as a producer.
Speaker 1: This is when he started to produce. I was like,
Speaker 1: his beast is different. You know, I was noticing his
Speaker 1: music is different, you know, but it was way too
Speaker 1: early on, you know, before everything's going to happen. You
Speaker 1: can see those two records your biggest record, your biggest songs.
Speaker 1: So no, I would say two of my most important songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was saying, yeah, yeah, most important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta ask why why? I mean see
Speaker 1: for me coming up doing what I was doing, I
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, as always gifts curse. The one
Speaker 1: of the gifts that I felt like I got from
Speaker 1: putting effort into my lyrics, my wordplay, like trying to
Speaker 1: make sure that I was making some ship that everybody
Speaker 1: was messing with. Is other artists that would come up
Speaker 1: in the city will respect it. And at a certain
Speaker 1: point they felt like, Okay, if I'm coming out the city,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the ship. If I give my man
Speaker 1: twist on the record, that's letting me know, like boom,
Speaker 1: I'm representing Chicago when I do that. So that was
Speaker 1: one thing that was dope for me at that time
Speaker 1: frame where a lot of artists that was coming out
Speaker 1: of the city, my man cap One was like, man,
Speaker 1: I won't get it in with my man twisted you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of people. Um. So at this time when
Speaker 1: I was doing the record with him, it was like
Speaker 1: he was coming up in the game. I would see
Speaker 1: him sometimes, we're running to him in the streets every
Speaker 1: once in a while, Like I ran into him in
Speaker 1: the streets. When he let me know that he produced
Speaker 1: the Bennie Seagull records, the Truth, right, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I just did something with Beanie.
Speaker 1: You know. So he was like, I got this record
Speaker 1: you know called Slow Jams. Don't want you to get
Speaker 1: on it. You know, when when we was chopping it
Speaker 1: up about it, he was telling me the concept. So
Speaker 1: I was remembering, like how I was gonna put it together.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna incorporate all of these different things.
Speaker 1: We recorded Slow Jams first, Yeah, Slow Jams first. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and then I don't think, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think Jamie Fox was even thought about for the record
Speaker 1: yet because but that's crazy, because let's just be clear,
Speaker 1: we didn't take Jamie Fox serious at that time. So
Speaker 1: whose idea was it? Let's be real man as a singer.
Speaker 1: That was the first record that we looked we took
Speaker 1: him serious, because you know, we were looking at him
Speaker 1: like Wanda remember the character. You know what, I'm the
Speaker 1: oldest right now. But what I'm saying is this is
Speaker 1: before Ray, right, this is before this. Yeah, definitely before
Speaker 1: before Ray. So that song single handed was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, he killed that. He killed it, and who
Speaker 1: that was? That was Kanye's idea like that, that whole
Speaker 1: thing like slow jams over trying to sabotage me. At
Speaker 1: this time, I knew I was. I knew I was
Speaker 1: being uh. I knew I was Jamie Fox. Move with
Speaker 1: him saying like, let's bring Jamie Fox in at this
Speaker 1: time because we didn't, like I said, now, we didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what. It wasn't a conversation. I heard
Speaker 1: it before. I just heard the ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I had did my verse and everything.
Speaker 1: The song was what it was, and he flew to
Speaker 1: l A, ran into jam Me Fox and they went
Speaker 1: in the studio. Then I got the phone call and
Speaker 1: then I heard the ship and I was like, oh ship.
Speaker 1: That's when I knew it was old. Yeah, that's you
Speaker 1: can rightfully say like Jamie Fox is a star. It
Speaker 1: was a star even then. But his music career wasn't
Speaker 1: a twister. He might have not been outside. This makes
Speaker 1: some noise for that, I mean, I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was yeah, yeah man, but we was. I was
Speaker 1: definitely you could have said I'm all right, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could have your record. You could have said I'm I
Speaker 1: You did not. Yeah, I did not. You did not?
Speaker 1: You did? I heard it right? So then so yeah,
Speaker 1: we course you said you said you have cause Celebrity next. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we recorded over Night Celebty. So it's not it's not
Speaker 1: the same session, not two different sessions. The record came out,
Speaker 1: it's a hit. Then you're going to celebrity. How does
Speaker 1: this happen? What are you doing that? Well, when we
Speaker 1: do over nice Celebrity, we already know we got one.
Speaker 1: This time we're moving around, you know. We we got
Speaker 1: slow jams out there, so we're moving around, and uh,
Speaker 1: we had the uh, we had the Overnight Celebrity idea.
Speaker 1: You know. It was actually a sample I wanted to use.
Speaker 1: So I told him, Man, that's the record. I want
Speaker 1: to use this. This, this Linney Williams record right here. Man,
Speaker 1: this this you know, because I used to remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to remember that record playing on produced this
Speaker 1: If you want to say that now but now, no, man,
Speaker 1: but I knew. I knew that once he got his
Speaker 1: hand on the record like that, with with what he
Speaker 1: was doing with all of the soul music, that he
Speaker 1: was gonna kill it. So I gave him a record
Speaker 1: and he actually said it kicked his ask for a man,
Speaker 1: And he was like, man, it took me a minute
Speaker 1: to get this record the way I wanted to get it,
Speaker 1: but I got it, and he was excited about it.
Speaker 1: Then he sent it to me and now I'm listening
Speaker 1: to it, and now I was messing my head up
Speaker 1: because I'm like, damn. So now I felt the pressure
Speaker 1: because we got the Slow Jams record out there, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, what the fun? But then bam, I
Speaker 1: heard the hook on it, so he blessed me of
Speaker 1: the hook. That's all it took. Once I heard a
Speaker 1: little bit or something to go off, that was it. Boom.
Speaker 1: I started coming with my case you want this time?
Speaker 1: It's not job. This was um Judy Green one, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Greg calmen, all of them. Okay you named okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I ain't cool cool cool cool. I'm wanna pointing up
Speaker 1: for me. Man, let's don't like it, so all right,
Speaker 1: quick Time and Slim. But he's not drinking, but let's
Speaker 1: give him. Let's get him his box. Where's that? Come on?
Speaker 1: What's that? You know what I'm saying? He want you
Speaker 1: to know, man, we want to give you your flowers, man,
Speaker 1: while you're here, while you're alive. This is why we
Speaker 1: do ship. Our show was about bigging all legends up
Speaker 1: while they're alive. So we literally wanted man, thank you man,
Speaker 1: real flowers. Motherfucking twist you see you see it. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. That's love. Let's love love, all right. So
Speaker 1: we usually play this game quick Time with Slime, and
Speaker 1: this game you gotta take shots. So if you ain't
Speaker 1: taking shots, one of your homies gotta take a shot
Speaker 1: for you. Come on, come on, come on. That's DJ
Speaker 1: type Mike right there, type ready, come on, getting ready.
Speaker 1: You already know? Okay, here you go, okay one sir? Alright? Cool?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right,
Speaker 1: it's right. You slipping. What happened to do? Say right here?
Speaker 1: All right? What you say? So, I'll give you two choices,
Speaker 1: all right, you can say both. Your man gotta drink
Speaker 1: when we drink with him. Yeah, we drink drink wom
Speaker 1: So you're gonna leave him out there? I know what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you say know what's happeningly correctly, this is what about.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two tough choices. When you say both,
Speaker 1: that's what makes us drink. Both are neither or neither? Yes,
Speaker 1: they used to be rough. I'm gonna drink some Japanique.
Speaker 1: You should take a shot at two though, Twister. Come on, goddamn,
Speaker 1: it might take a shot. Come on, you take a
Speaker 1: shot too, and only your man out there like that?
Speaker 1: All right? Cool? Hey, they got you the big cup
Speaker 1: to get shot at a little cup. That's not we'rena.
Speaker 1: You got one of you. You got one already in
Speaker 1: front of you. Twister, all right, you're ready, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: asking you ready. It is rough or Tupac? Damn man,
Speaker 1: damn that damn it's whatever criteria. It's rough, it's rough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna go for Tupac. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why though, because I actually got a
Speaker 1: has to meet this brother. That's why you know. I
Speaker 1: met him on two occasions. One occasion I did a
Speaker 1: show in l A and uh it was with Digital
Speaker 1: Underground Digital Underground. I got a chance to say what's
Speaker 1: up to shot G looked over to the cut saw Tupacs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw him sitting on the steps chilling. I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn okay, so I ain't say nothing to him. Then
Speaker 1: then I seen him again by the bar. We walked
Speaker 1: up to each other. He was like, man, they told
Speaker 1: me to come chop it up with you when I
Speaker 1: come to Chicago, you know. Then we halted again. The
Speaker 1: second time I met him, he had the fucking Juice
Speaker 1: hoodie on the same the Juice City on. So you know,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet him, and that made
Speaker 1: me engage with his music in a certain way. But
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like t Max is the ship, you know.
Speaker 1: But just just for the sake of this, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with POCT because I got a chance to meet him.
Speaker 1: Idn't really get a chance to chop it up. I
Speaker 1: never got a chance. I saw him in person when
Speaker 1: he was at an award show, pass him by, But
Speaker 1: but I ain't never get a chance to chop it
Speaker 1: up with him. That's crazy. I'm exact opposite. I never
Speaker 1: got to meet pop I got to chop it up
Speaker 1: at Wow, that's that's crazy, eminem or bust the bribes,
Speaker 1: whatever criteria you want. You drinking already, I had to
Speaker 1: take a shot on Okay, okay, alright, cool, take your shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I ain't even know I was taking
Speaker 1: the shot. You asked the question. If you want to
Speaker 1: take a real shot, you get some Japanese whiskey right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: they got Japanese whiskey. Definitely drinking. Get ready, that's what
Speaker 1: you should have hand. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's go our face on ice cube.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he got them all night questions. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: gotta drink. We gotta drink. You gotta drink. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go between. That's rough right there. Yeah, that's rough one.
Speaker 1: Now this might get rough. We're gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a while. So yeah, buddy outcasts or you g k damn.
Speaker 1: I love your honesty. He's very skilled. Ship. You gotta drink,
Speaker 1: you gotta drink. I don't know what you're gonn now,
Speaker 1: this one don't know because you guys are kind of
Speaker 1: like in the middle. So Wu tang or in w
Speaker 1: a damn man, see in Wa was some of the
Speaker 1: most exciting hip hop that I had ever heard coming out.
Speaker 1: It was what the funk? It was like the shock.
Speaker 1: It was the most dopest, most exciting ship that I heard.
Speaker 1: Wu Tang got me through some hard motherfucking times. They
Speaker 1: did the same team. But now, man, it's a certain feeling. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a certain feeling. Wu Tang got me through. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I can't pick though. You gotta take a drink. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. I'mna tell you what's the difference. No
Speaker 1: I did. I'm gonna tell you what the difference is
Speaker 1: for me. Okay, I gotta hear this. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what camp it was like. I was just like what
Speaker 1: actually thought it was a jail. I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: I've never gonna get locked up there, like and so
Speaker 1: I was Cuve was younger, Yeah, um, but Wang I
Speaker 1: visually visualized that ship a little bit more. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to pick need of That's what I'm
Speaker 1: taking a shot. Now. Let me tell you about being
Speaker 1: from Chicago and see because it's different because Wuchang, you
Speaker 1: can relate a certain way then, so for me, it
Speaker 1: was it was us being in the middle. It was
Speaker 1: the opportunity to hear the West coast rap about the
Speaker 1: streets and me relate to what they were talking about
Speaker 1: from the from the West coast perspective, and I can relate,
Speaker 1: and then me hear the streets from the East Coast
Speaker 1: perspective and being able to relate, so that that that's
Speaker 1: what I think. That's dope about coming from Chicago, go
Speaker 1: being a fan, is you got a chance to like
Speaker 1: it wasn't so one sided like in Chicago on the
Speaker 1: same block you got arguments all day about this person
Speaker 1: across the street is a fan of this person on
Speaker 1: the West coast, this person is a fan of person
Speaker 1: you know, SUBMD to west, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I feel like they should
Speaker 1: probably take the west part of it out and just
Speaker 1: pulled it the mid like because y'all right, definitely like
Speaker 1: in the middle, like you're not West coast that yeah,
Speaker 1: that the west part don't kind of make sense a
Speaker 1: little bit East coast. Y'are your own ship. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you're your own ship, your own um.
Speaker 1: All right, But let's just let's list Jordan or Lebron
Speaker 1: damn well, it ain't real hard Jordan Man, Okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: when you when you you know, I mean when you've
Speaker 1: seen Jordan play. See a lot of these people never
Speaker 1: even seen Jordan play. Yeah, so y'all seen it? Repeat? No, yeah,
Speaker 1: see you would see people. I don't know, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You got a bigger person doing something that
Speaker 1: this smaller person was doing that should looked incredible at
Speaker 1: six six dude doing it. Ship, That ship was incredible.
Speaker 1: Rick Rosso Fat Joe. I like Lebron too, thought, but
Speaker 1: rosso Fat Joe. Damn man, you snap you do snap?
Speaker 1: I really can't pick between our them. I love both
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, it's snapped hard. He would have been
Speaker 1: drinking too on that. Okay, that's a rough one. That
Speaker 1: Crazy Bone or chip Food. Damn Jiff gonna be mad
Speaker 1: at me. Man, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna all
Speaker 1: about it later. Man. But Crazy Bone man, crazy Boney,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Crazy Bone ship, I don't know. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go with this, Oh Mob deep or m O P
Speaker 1: Mob d Okay, Yeah, I like emop too, But Cubs
Speaker 1: of White Sox, White Sox Salty from to Be Salty
Speaker 1: podcast or Radio Shit I mean podcast podcast Chicago pizza
Speaker 1: or New York pizza Chicago. I hate New York pizza
Speaker 1: every time I try some New York pizza. Like what
Speaker 1: this one? This is with a clean on food. Let
Speaker 1: me throw on, let me throw it in this Techno
Speaker 1: and eminem damn no, you got a drink on that one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta drink these is these is my brothers. And
Speaker 1: then then it's it's actually hard, you know, because they
Speaker 1: go hard. Man. Yeah, push your teeth or Jada Kiss.
Speaker 1: I like, push your t but Jada kiss. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: also XXL, all right, we're all done over here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: excel yeah XXL. I like them both. But al Capone
Speaker 1: or Lucky Luciano compone, Yeah, that's Chicago poem baby. Oh
Speaker 1: but you use technine already, right, If it's not Eminem,
Speaker 1: it's a different question. Tech nine or trash tech nine
Speaker 1: track is cool, but Tech nine West but obviously produced it.
Speaker 1: Kanye West. No, I d it's my man, but Kanye West.
Speaker 1: The locks are run DMC, run DMC. I love the locks,
Speaker 1: but I was raised on run DMC. You can't even
Speaker 1: put down yeah, comment or loope, damn, don't don't take
Speaker 1: a babysit. Who I'm two cold brothers there? Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I know what a brat that's right, bull Chicago are
Speaker 1: drinking that. Yeah yeah them them them both illmatic or
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Damn no, I need to hear this one.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the truth, right. See, when
Speaker 1: you put the whole story together, then it's like okay, okay.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about that moment there, I gotta say, ill, Maddie,
Speaker 1: m hmm. Yeah. Just it's just I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it's I think when you when you when you right
Speaker 1: in there, I think you're talking about the person that's
Speaker 1: more into wrap versus the person that has a foot
Speaker 1: in the streets a little bit m hm. And I
Speaker 1: think if you just all in your music, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be more of the amatic fan. But if you end
Speaker 1: them was it but you got a foot in the
Speaker 1: streets to you for sure gonna be a reasonable doubt fan.
Speaker 1: So it's not that I think this is so much
Speaker 1: better than that. It's just at that time frame, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a foot in the street. I was going
Speaker 1: hard on rap ship. That's why I say about a
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt too. I don't say I didn't have it
Speaker 1: from the street. I just say I didn't have to
Speaker 1: couldn't related. He was talking about money ship that I
Speaker 1: didn't have. Yeah, see, I just like I had to
Speaker 1: get back later. I was like, oh, that's what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, Okay, I mean ship they aumatic was about
Speaker 1: the streets too, but it's the word play. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I got another one, common or common sense. Damn which
Speaker 1: version of him? I would say common common sense was
Speaker 1: my ship too, but definitely common Chief Keith for g Herbo. Damn.
Speaker 1: Do I want to pick one? I can't really pick
Speaker 1: between them too. It's okay, so you gotta drink too,
Speaker 1: that be with that cheers. That's on you man. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't pick, by the way, Yeah, them too. It would
Speaker 1: be hard. You know. You know what you should have
Speaker 1: said when I said that, you should have shot down
Speaker 1: m that's crazy what you've been saying the whole that's
Speaker 1: the correct that's drinking a lot of the chronic or
Speaker 1: all odds on me. Mm hmm. That's rough for real,
Speaker 1: right there, that's rough. Wait, let me think, let me think.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm I'm gonna force myself to pick
Speaker 1: only because of one reason. No, you gotta drink now now.
Speaker 1: Once I thought about the reason, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drink too with that. Yeah, both of those
Speaker 1: were like the both impactful, very very impactful. M you
Speaker 1: know what, though, you're drunk for nothing. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that because all eyes on me, you you know, it
Speaker 1: was more about poc on All eyes on me. You
Speaker 1: have more more things, you have some other things going on,
Speaker 1: but it was more pop whereas chronic from crew you know,
Speaker 1: and that and that that that assembly Man was the ship,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm gonna give it to the assembly
Speaker 1: over over something that was more geared to one person.
Speaker 1: But damn well call it or DJ drama mm hmm,
Speaker 1: damn dog man, DJ callott Man, DJ CA. That's the
Speaker 1: last one, DJ cadott You ain't I want to like
Speaker 1: we always, I'm not gonna even say nothing. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just throw it out there. You tell me what you back.
Speaker 1: Loyalty or respect? Loyalty loyalty like to explain why, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean loyalty of a person is loyal to you.
Speaker 1: They won't suck you over. A person that can respect
Speaker 1: you still fuck you over if you gotta, if you
Speaker 1: gotta way to funk you over, you know, publicly, he
Speaker 1: can still respect you. But if he thinks he got
Speaker 1: a way to fuck you over and still looks like
Speaker 1: he respects you and not be known as the snake
Speaker 1: that did it, he'll do it, you know, he he
Speaker 1: can do it. So respect still makes me have fear
Speaker 1: that of a person. I still got a little fear.
Speaker 1: You respect me, but you don't funk with me, you know,
Speaker 1: But loyalty that you can't. You can't trade that for nothing.
Speaker 1: That's real, that's real, real. I always think the answer
Speaker 1: to the correct assert is both. I mean, but if
Speaker 1: you gotta pick one, you know, yeah, I know, but
Speaker 1: in this case, maybe want you to drink, you might
Speaker 1: as well finish that up. And um, you gotta drunk
Speaker 1: with Trade songs? Yeah yeah, that's everybody, everybody that's gonna
Speaker 1: make it. Yeah. Yeah. How was that the your pussy
Speaker 1: game go up? That was more than the label We
Speaker 1: was We was young. He was a young cat too.
Speaker 1: He would help your pussy game go off. No, not
Speaker 1: with that record, right there? Man, that was a young
Speaker 1: cat man. You know what I'm saying. So, so have
Speaker 1: you met the Brown Trade song System? Like? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: trade school. I running to him every once in a while. Goddamnit,
Speaker 1: man is real out here. Let's which, which are the
Speaker 1: labels that you were on? Do you like? Do you
Speaker 1: think we're the best? Ones that you were were the
Speaker 1: best one that you're on? Because you weren't quite a
Speaker 1: bit of labels the best at point, it didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to happen. You know, this is when I
Speaker 1: was on Atlantic. You know she had to change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we were gonna make it happen. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of love with the guys, you know,
Speaker 1: you only it was adulpe relationship. You know, Me and
Speaker 1: Dame used to chop it up a lot. He was
Speaker 1: the reason I got on the Champions record, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So we was trying to make it happen, but you
Speaker 1: know I was, I guess too deeply embedded in my
Speaker 1: contract situation with Atlantic to move the business around and
Speaker 1: make it happen. So, you know, so if it was
Speaker 1: that because you're on Big Beat, which is you were
Speaker 1: on Big Beat right that record label? Big Beat? No? No,
Speaker 1: what was it with? What was the tie with I
Speaker 1: think it was tight to Atlantic? Yeah, so Atlantic allowed
Speaker 1: so between Atlantic and a Loud Which one of those
Speaker 1: two would you? Because he was at Loud when Wutan
Speaker 1: came there too as well. I was like first, I
Speaker 1: think I was the first artist sign allowed first. First.
Speaker 1: Alcoholics was very first, No, me first, you first? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: didn't alcoholis Yeah, that's just a lot. That's hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very first artiste. Steve different to this day, Um
Speaker 1: when I see him, Yeah, yeah, that was hard when
Speaker 1: Stephen's cool. Stephen's cool. I always had a cool vibe
Speaker 1: with Steven phone numbers nowadays. No, no, I ain't got
Speaker 1: his numbers. He about to get. Steve would talk to
Speaker 1: me man if I reached out to him. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my man. Yeah, this is what we didn't ask. No,
Speaker 1: but I didn't get the answers between the two labels.
Speaker 1: Which one are you? You're not sign the Atlantics? So
Speaker 1: are you? No? No, I think you know, I was
Speaker 1: on Atlantic the longest you know, you know, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: the the it was one that was first, you know,
Speaker 1: so loud Wreck has been at first label I was on.
Speaker 1: It's got that that first vibe, you know. But Atlantic
Speaker 1: I was on like like Templars years maybe something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's the question. We didn't ask major or independent,
Speaker 1: And definitely why independent the freedom? And I think to
Speaker 1: each his own too. I think if you, I think,
Speaker 1: if you have a system that works, so you got
Speaker 1: your business people and play and you you know, you
Speaker 1: you you kind of got people around that can you know,
Speaker 1: uh make your shifts sail, you know, then you kind
Speaker 1: of can look more towards that independent round. But I
Speaker 1: think if you, like a new artist, you don't really
Speaker 1: got anybody around, you know, to kind of give you,
Speaker 1: uh tips or or show you the ropes, then you
Speaker 1: might have to lean more towards major label and and
Speaker 1: your your attorneys and stuff like that, because you believe
Speaker 1: you're gonna need people to help you take advantage of
Speaker 1: being on the record label too, because regulabel you can
Speaker 1: fall through the cracks. Yeah, so that so why I
Speaker 1: said attorney. You know, you know, if you ain't got
Speaker 1: those people, then you know, all you can do is
Speaker 1: rely on people like your attorney. And right, let's keep it. Really,
Speaker 1: you made it a lot more money with majors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you make a lot more money with the major. So
Speaker 1: so that's the gift and the curse to it. You
Speaker 1: you wanna, you want your freedom you can move how
Speaker 1: the funk you want to move what You're gonna make
Speaker 1: the money like this a little bit at a time.
Speaker 1: You want to make the big money here, You're gonna
Speaker 1: make this big money. But you're gonna take a little
Speaker 1: bit of whip cracking over here. Sometimes I don't know
Speaker 1: whip cracking this whatever will actually hit you with it.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, you know that the mentality,
Speaker 1: you know some of that mentality. Sometimes you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta listen to what what what somebody else say saying
Speaker 1: and uh bye by the choices of other people more,
Speaker 1: you know, that's all ship. I forget all your independent
Speaker 1: I think owning your own ship it having that well
Speaker 1: you don't want no more shots. Yeah, I think, I
Speaker 1: personally think. I think being independent before you go major,
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be the ideal situation because then you
Speaker 1: go into a major kind of prepared, self relying, and
Speaker 1: then you can take advantage of that machine because the machine,
Speaker 1: for sure, you're gonna make way more money in the machine.
Speaker 1: But independent, you you know, if you if you could
Speaker 1: established establish yourself independently own more of your stuff going
Speaker 1: into that, it's gonna be a better deal. More leveraged
Speaker 1: getting that deal with a major. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think these days, though, independent is is the way
Speaker 1: to go for sure. He's he's with an independent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm um, we're running through a couple of titles
Speaker 1: and I don't want you to just tell me what
Speaker 1: they mean to you. Man, I say, got you running
Speaker 1: Off at the mouth? Running Off at the Mouth. That's
Speaker 1: the title of my first album, running Off at the Mouth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the first thing to come to my mind. It's
Speaker 1: the title of my first album. Man, I was like eighteen,
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Call down
Speaker 1: your album, so I want you to do for me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's that was That was That was. That was how
Speaker 1: I came out. That was how I titled my first album.
Speaker 1: I was still thinking. I was in the process of
Speaker 1: finding myself as an artist at the time, you know.
Speaker 1: So this is me getting my feet wet, you know,
Speaker 1: in the game running Off at the Mouth. That's what
Speaker 1: it is. Resurrection independent. This this is more independent situation
Speaker 1: upset that that that that this and that didn't go
Speaker 1: right with the label. I wanted to put this record
Speaker 1: out first. I wanted to be like this so we're
Speaker 1: doing our independent thing, and I wanted to go that round.
Speaker 1: So it was way early in the game when I
Speaker 1: tried the independent round, and Resurrection is like a body
Speaker 1: of work that I'm more uh more proud of for
Speaker 1: the freedom, the freedom aspect, I got a chance to
Speaker 1: make the type of music I wanted to make some
Speaker 1: noise for that the bounced, I was gonna keep going
Speaker 1: in order? Should I keep going in order? Yes? In
Speaker 1: the head, you do you do a couple? I did
Speaker 1: the first two? You do the next three? Adrenaline Rush,
Speaker 1: I asked my one right there, that's the one where
Speaker 1: I felt like Adrenaline Rush is the one where I
Speaker 1: knew who and what Twister is. How I wanted to
Speaker 1: come out what I wanted to people to hear from me,
Speaker 1: you know, So Adrenaline Rush is the title comes from
Speaker 1: I thought about when they say I forgot it, when
Speaker 1: they say what you want to title your album? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's like what you want to tie to your album?
Speaker 1: I think the first I asked myself a question like, man,
Speaker 1: what do rap feel like to me? You know, That's
Speaker 1: that's the first thing I asked me. I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is rap to me? Or what do it make
Speaker 1: me feel? Like? Give me adrenaline rush. So that's where
Speaker 1: the title came from. It was like just the way
Speaker 1: I feel about rap music and I just felt like
Speaker 1: I knew how I wanted to wrap my audience. At
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, this is when I made
Speaker 1: my mind up, Like I've just been a rap for
Speaker 1: my Chicago people. Just what I see just in my city.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick to what I know and what I do,
Speaker 1: and I'm rapping for my city. So a drilling and
Speaker 1: rush represents so the me coming fully into knowing who
Speaker 1: I was as an artist. Yeah, the next one is
Speaker 1: Kma Kazi riding a wave. That's me riding a wave
Speaker 1: coming out with the next album. Still wanted to come
Speaker 1: with an impactful title or something that was hard. So
Speaker 1: I came with Kama Kazi, and then I had a
Speaker 1: little more help, you know, I was able to to
Speaker 1: to make the type of music I wanted to make.
Speaker 1: You know, the budget was a little bigger. I love
Speaker 1: the budget, you know, a chance to do you know
Speaker 1: this right? Yeah, So that that's what that was. Man,
Speaker 1: Kama Kazi is me riding the wave. I had the
Speaker 1: success of you know, my my adrenaline rush wreck in
Speaker 1: a certain way. And then I had it was slow jams.
Speaker 1: I knew when Kamakazi was coming out, I already had
Speaker 1: slow jams on this record. So it's like I knew
Speaker 1: my ship was gonna be popping. So I was like
Speaker 1: having fun with the Kama Kazi joint. So that's that's
Speaker 1: what come to my mind, is riding away, I don't
Speaker 1: have it, okay, the day after, day after m hmm,
Speaker 1: still riding the way. But that mother fucker wasn't so
Speaker 1: high now, you know what I mean. So so the
Speaker 1: budget a little less, Yeah, so putting it, putting together,
Speaker 1: putting together what I could put together with what I had,
Speaker 1: you know. So but but now it was it was
Speaker 1: still dope. I was I think I was getting a
Speaker 1: little a little lost in that time, you know, I
Speaker 1: was starting to get a little lost in what direction
Speaker 1: I wanted to go in at that time frame. So
Speaker 1: so I put that record out, But it wasn't a
Speaker 1: record that I was the most proud of or or
Speaker 1: happy with, you know, energy wise, just everything wasn't going away.
Speaker 1: I wanted it to go, you know, energy bis wise, everything,
Speaker 1: So that record just just was what it was at
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, now I'm looking I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: at the dates, and then you have Adrenaline Rush two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Is this a time frame where you're
Speaker 1: feeling right like, what is there a shift in what
Speaker 1: you're doing and how you so? So Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: later one is just a title that I was putting
Speaker 1: on some music at the time that I felt like
Speaker 1: had that same vibe still, and so we're like, man,
Speaker 1: let's come with Adreneral Rush two thousand and seven. I
Speaker 1: probably would have titled It's something Else at the time,
Speaker 1: So I think creatively, I was just in a shitty
Speaker 1: space and that's what I titled the project at the time.
Speaker 1: You know, so this this is uh me still able
Speaker 1: to wrap my ass off, but shitty space titles and
Speaker 1: ship thinking, you know, not thinking as fully clear as
Speaker 1: I as I should have been. Probably category F five.
Speaker 1: Category f five. That's when I'm riding my independent wave again.
Speaker 1: You know. I love that record because I have some
Speaker 1: some for me. I had some some some some big
Speaker 1: records for me for myself. I want. I made some
Speaker 1: music that I wanted to make that sounded good to me.
Speaker 1: So the record didn't didn't do what I wanted it
Speaker 1: to do commercially or you know, successfu wise, But as
Speaker 1: far as the body of work and what it sounded
Speaker 1: like and it being important for for what it was,
Speaker 1: for how music shall sound and hip hops your sound
Speaker 1: for Twister, That's what I was on. So so I
Speaker 1: like category at five, were you already entering the whole
Speaker 1: security and firearm industry at that at that point that
Speaker 1: would have been. Yeah, around this time, I'm interested in it.
Speaker 1: Around this time, I'm I'm you know, still having my
Speaker 1: concealed carry and stuff like that. But now I'm starting
Speaker 1: to entertain possibly being an instructor and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know, around didn't didn't didn't take it fully serious. Yea, yeah, okay, let'
Speaker 1: let's go through the albums. I know we need to
Speaker 1: bring gun capt down here. Man, I'm telling you all right.
Speaker 1: In the Perfect Storm, the Perfect Storm, that was dope too.
Speaker 1: That was that was me doing my independent thing. At
Speaker 1: this time, it's is not not as fulfilling to me,
Speaker 1: but I'm still loving music doing my thing. I came
Speaker 1: with the Perfect Storm. But but like I said, just
Speaker 1: not fully what I wanted to be, you know, vibe wise,
Speaker 1: energy wise. So at this time, I'm just making music.
Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to find which direction I'm going
Speaker 1: in next around this time, you know what you say, huh, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had that record on that, but I here wasn't
Speaker 1: as excited about the whole project overall. I knew that
Speaker 1: I wasn't in a good space creatively and just musically
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be. So I was just making music,
Speaker 1: getting through it, trying to see where I'm where I'm
Speaker 1: going next, what I'm gonna do next. You're one of
Speaker 1: them guys, I gotta get away to make a whole album,
Speaker 1: or like you'd like to stay home a little bit
Speaker 1: of both. For some reason, though, I found that I
Speaker 1: gotta be. I gotta be in the I gotta be grame.
Speaker 1: I like to be in a grimy situation to make
Speaker 1: it real. Like I could go like, you know, we
Speaker 1: could go to l A and shift. I could be
Speaker 1: you know, in the hills, you know, writing on ship.
Speaker 1: That's dope. But I would rather I need to I
Speaker 1: need to be in some grimy ship like I feel
Speaker 1: like I would make the real music in a in
Speaker 1: a PC project hallway when you start, I gotta be.
Speaker 1: I gotta have some element of where I came from
Speaker 1: from you. Yeah, we me and him probably would have
Speaker 1: been making out of some music. Yeah yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: my jam to man, that's the whole project right there
Speaker 1: is Uh, I'm vibing with music a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But all of these projects you naming our projects where
Speaker 1: I was able to do what I do effortlessly as
Speaker 1: far as making a song or do a verse or
Speaker 1: like damn you killing it or do what you do,
Speaker 1: but just not fully being fulfilled with music at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm not in the space that I want to be,
Speaker 1: you know, mentally, So I'm just kind of making music
Speaker 1: and making records that I considered as dope, but still
Speaker 1: searching for what I wanted to do and be on
Speaker 1: still so I'm just floating through it. But but the
Speaker 1: records that was on that was was my ship? What
Speaker 1: what records was on there? I got two many ship
Speaker 1: you got you got a crazy catalog? Man? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the catalog crazy. But overall, when you say that title,
Speaker 1: that that's what I remember about that run right there
Speaker 1: is me having the capabilities of making music and doing
Speaker 1: some music that was satisfactory to my fans and everything,
Speaker 1: but not commercially successful as I wanted it to be,
Speaker 1: and just me not really being in a in a
Speaker 1: vibe of space that I wanted to be with music
Speaker 1: at the time, you know. And then the last two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got Crook County. That was my joint right there,
Speaker 1: Creek County because we started making videos in the hood.
Speaker 1: This one, this one, we you know, I got a
Speaker 1: few of my people around, you know, I'm starting to
Speaker 1: get it, you know, a few a few of my
Speaker 1: camp around, uh a few of my gun camp people
Speaker 1: coming around. Just a few different faces around. So I'm
Speaker 1: making music, We're going around doing stuff in the hood.
Speaker 1: My man beads around that I'm doing music with, and uh, man,
Speaker 1: it was just huh yeah, yeah, a lot of the
Speaker 1: homies from Chicago I got there. I think. Then we
Speaker 1: shoot Creek County like at Harvey, different spots like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so Crik County was a record that it was
Speaker 1: dope to me because I was in the streets with it.
Speaker 1: You know, we was moving around in the streets having
Speaker 1: everybody being involved in the music and everything. So so
Speaker 1: that was a dope problem. There was a dope project
Speaker 1: from me at the time. The last one, it's Summer
Speaker 1: ninety six. That's a very poignant title, Summer ninety six.
Speaker 1: What's on there? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, especially working with
Speaker 1: DJ Ferris, you know, because he wanted the big figures
Speaker 1: in Chicago. That's my man right there. So anytime you
Speaker 1: got him, you know, anytime you got him on something, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's dope. So just having him be involved
Speaker 1: with that project and just keeping my whole legacy going
Speaker 1: was dope, you know. So that's what Summer ninety six
Speaker 1: was about. Was reminded people about when a drumaline rush
Speaker 1: came out, which was the Summer ninety six. I think
Speaker 1: it's trying to make them much of that cool. Did
Speaker 1: you do it? You ain't never do it? Versus? Right? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that would be a crazy versus. I don't know who
Speaker 1: I would do it with though people always ask me,
Speaker 1: But I don't really know who I would do it with.
Speaker 1: Who you think technic I would be a good one
Speaker 1: who said that? I think see when people say Buster,
Speaker 1: they just think fast rap. But I think we kind
Speaker 1: of besides the fast rap, we slightly too different artists,
Speaker 1: you know what. So I don't know you who would
Speaker 1: you want? I don't know that's that's that's that's a
Speaker 1: tough one. Who like two different But I don't think it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be an even match
Speaker 1: up in terms of what we think it should be off.
Speaker 1: It should showcase two different styles. Else mystical, wo, mystical,
Speaker 1: that would be a dope. Let's keep thinking, y'all, come on,
Speaker 1: comen keeping one crazy part of a group though you
Speaker 1: know not but crazy was also solo. Did you see that?
Speaker 1: Did you see that versus we're doing three six? Ye? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw it? How did you all fix your problem? Who? Uh?
Speaker 1: We'll see me and Bone we had a mutual mutual
Speaker 1: friends see lazy Uh Yeah, it was lazy Bone. Lazy
Speaker 1: moves around a lot of you know, he got a
Speaker 1: lot of mutual friends that I got and uh in
Speaker 1: Indiana at the time, we had our buddy name Cho.
Speaker 1: You know, he was doing a song with him at
Speaker 1: the time with his with his group and what he
Speaker 1: was doing, and then he knew me and he was like,
Speaker 1: wait in it, y'all got beef or something like that.
Speaker 1: So when he ya was beating for years, right and
Speaker 1: this is on wax with this records and all that,
Speaker 1: you know, the style and you know, so so what
Speaker 1: he did at the time was he orchestrated the song
Speaker 1: and he paid Lazy to get on the song and
Speaker 1: paid me to get on the song without telling yall
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on it. You didn't care. He told us,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, I want y'all to do a
Speaker 1: song to get who I want to name. Y'all can't
Speaker 1: be beefing who. And so once me and Lazy got together, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so shout out to my man Choo for making that happen.
Speaker 1: And man, once being Lazy clicked, it was over. He
Speaker 1: was so cool, you know. We chopped it up, we
Speaker 1: did that song, and then I knew them was gonna
Speaker 1: be my guys ever since then. Then the next time
Speaker 1: I like called a good vibe with them was when
Speaker 1: uh we did spit your Game, Uh yeah, the Biggie joint. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I got a chance to chop it up
Speaker 1: with Crazy Bone or let him know how it felt
Speaker 1: about the group, you know, and we just got rapped,
Speaker 1: like you know, uh, well, we'll go through like like
Speaker 1: two or three years beefing with some sit we don't
Speaker 1: even really know. We don't know if we make a
Speaker 1: distract as we're doing all that, like like, like, how
Speaker 1: weird is that? Like you know what I mean? That
Speaker 1: is weird. I'm gonna tell you what's weird is having
Speaker 1: the beef with with with Trash going on at the time,
Speaker 1: and this ship was so serious. We had a meeting
Speaker 1: in Chicago about this ship, you know, because you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know, like that was one
Speaker 1: of the times where this was one of the reasons
Speaker 1: this This is how one of the ways Twister got
Speaker 1: formed is when when I didn't get accepted from people
Speaker 1: that I was fans of. So so the Trench said
Speaker 1: a little something on the record, you know, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand where you where Bone I understood because
Speaker 1: of the style similarity. So I didn't understand anything when
Speaker 1: I heard about it then and when I when I
Speaker 1: re iterated and just look today it's we had a
Speaker 1: show Chicago. At this time they had formed the House
Speaker 1: of Pain. I saw ever Last because I knew him
Speaker 1: from he used to come in the office at our records.
Speaker 1: So we're talking. He like, man, let me let me
Speaker 1: how at you So it's old now we can laugh
Speaker 1: about it. Ever Last said, you didn't hear it from me?
Speaker 1: Trashed dished you on his new ship. What. So I
Speaker 1: go listen to the ship. I'm listen, I'm eight and
Speaker 1: I ain't hearing nothing. Then finally the record come on.
Speaker 1: I put a few blows in cargo, so you can
Speaker 1: tell twist your ass back to Chicago. What record was that?
Speaker 1: I forgot which one, but you can find it. You
Speaker 1: can find it. So I was a fan though at
Speaker 1: the time. So this ship broke, I'm like, damn, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I'm piste off about it.
Speaker 1: So I stopped around that time, around the time. Yeah
Speaker 1: that they lit, they lived. But see then I heard
Speaker 1: stories later like people used to see my video come
Speaker 1: on and then funk with him, like, oh ship, dude,
Speaker 1: the funk you? So he got piste off and he
Speaker 1: dissed me. So then we end up having a meeting
Speaker 1: in Chicago because it was like the ship seemed like
Speaker 1: it was gonna escalate into some other ship. But then
Speaker 1: the funniest ship happened. We get to to New York
Speaker 1: and we do the big gass cover for for Double
Speaker 1: x L with all the rappers and ship. We're standing there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're standing on the street. Who the funk walk up
Speaker 1: and ship trash. We're like, oh ship and he said, yeah, see,
Speaker 1: I told you y'all in my hood. Now it's cool
Speaker 1: and kept the movie was like, so, you know, that's
Speaker 1: when you learn some ship you gotta you gotta learn.
Speaker 1: This is me navigating through the industry. This is one
Speaker 1: of the things that helped me learn how to move,
Speaker 1: you know. So at that time we had got a
Speaker 1: little cordial before that incident. But had it been some
Speaker 1: some some ship going on, that could have been me
Speaker 1: right there. You know what I'm saying on that other
Speaker 1: end right there, that's crazy that didn't that's yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: and yeah worked it out. Yeah yeah. Trenches An artists
Speaker 1: always wanted to do music with Yeah, yeah, what's you say? Oh?
Speaker 1: All right, col I keep for getting you from Jersey's
Speaker 1: you gotta let it go? What about Man and Man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a red Man fan. So what's your favorite what's
Speaker 1: your favorite part of the game. Is it making the
Speaker 1: music or performing the music? Because going through your catalog,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this motherfucker performed every day of the year.
Speaker 1: Just going through your catalog, I'm like, yo, yo, you
Speaker 1: could you could do any you know, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to persrace your answer, so hold on, should Maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said that, but um, what's your what's your favorite?
Speaker 1: Is it making the music or performing the music? I
Speaker 1: think performing it? What's your guess? Was y'all guess? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Performing it? I like making it, though, but I will
Speaker 1: say performing it is more my favorite. Performing it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta explain why And wait, wait, have you ever
Speaker 1: spent something in the studio so fucking fast that you
Speaker 1: couldn't perform it? No? I make sure not to do that, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, when you I try to stay truthful with
Speaker 1: the ship, like I tried to stay within the boundaries
Speaker 1: of what's possible because exactly like like everybody got their
Speaker 1: own reasons why they rapped like that. But but for me,
Speaker 1: it's not just about wrapping fast. It's about how quickly
Speaker 1: can you do it at a dope cadence where you
Speaker 1: can hear everything. So so when I'm making the music
Speaker 1: like that, like I try to stay within my boundaries
Speaker 1: of what I know that's humanly possible. Like I think
Speaker 1: you need to take a breath right here, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sure you know, just just stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I sorry, I could him out so performing and performing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so performing I like it better because even when I'm
Speaker 1: making music, making music comes from performing in my head,
Speaker 1: you know, when you when you're writing these lyrics. Most
Speaker 1: of the time, like a lot of artists unconsciously even
Speaker 1: realized that they placed themselves in the middle of a
Speaker 1: rap battle or concert or something when they're coming up
Speaker 1: with the rhymes and they look at the audience react
Speaker 1: to the lyric in their mind, and then they say, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't go with it, you know. So a lot
Speaker 1: of my creativity comes from performing in my mind. So
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, to actually get to
Speaker 1: do it in person, that's what a full thrill make.
Speaker 1: Some looks for that, I believe you show you don't
Speaker 1: want to shout at this Japanese whiskey. This is that
Speaker 1: good ship man, it's doing me ain't good enough right here.
Speaker 1: And let's just be clear, the reason why you don't
Speaker 1: drink like that is because you're a gun instructor. You
Speaker 1: know that. The dude that being a call like this
Speaker 1: car Yeah no, not not how you do this? You
Speaker 1: know what you want? The guy, that dude, he's like,
Speaker 1: he's huge, don't he gonna get somebody killed. He was
Speaker 1: like this, if a person comes up to you, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. He's a gun instructor that
Speaker 1: he's telling you about. He's something to martial artists. Kid,
Speaker 1: gotta be up. You don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You know exactly what you're talking about. You know, one
Speaker 1: of my buddies in Chicago is killing it doing doing
Speaker 1: like parodies of that dude right now. Okay, because he's
Speaker 1: hen get somebody hurt. You're not listening to him right
Speaker 1: different when you bet not listen to him, explain, So
Speaker 1: explain what what he just said? You said, your fire
Speaker 1: arms instructor. Yeah, just uh, like the firearms instructor. Like
Speaker 1: so if you want to get your cacealed carry or
Speaker 1: something like that, or just do advanced firearm training technical shooting,
Speaker 1: you teach that. Yeah, mostly mostly how to shoot in general,
Speaker 1: some defensive show. What if you had a fella me,
Speaker 1: could I still go? Oh man? He's like, baby, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said. You know, we we we probably get
Speaker 1: you in a situation where we get some people to
Speaker 1: see if you can get it expunge, and then after
Speaker 1: that situation then you can't. So we have had people
Speaker 1: that have had felonies before they got their record of
Speaker 1: sponging and was able to get the Yeah tell them
Speaker 1: look out for me. So yeah, because they got the
Speaker 1: hook up on that. But it's spongement. Holy movie with you.
Speaker 1: But so, well, what made you get into that? You
Speaker 1: just you love firearms? Just seeing you like, I have
Speaker 1: a whole rhyme about the gun. Yeah, just that's doing
Speaker 1: like a rap review like you have, uh you've got
Speaker 1: guys that do gun reviews and then you know, giving
Speaker 1: the description of the gun. So my version is like
Speaker 1: a rap review of a gun that I might like
Speaker 1: or something like that. But you know, just really just
Speaker 1: passionate about the whole fire stuff. So U s c
Speaker 1: C A instructor, n A instructor? How people are visualizing
Speaker 1: the cargoys being bad outside of like downtown and things
Speaker 1: like that. What all the things going on is it?
Speaker 1: Is it is it that easy to just get guns?
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about obviously, Yeah, I mean that's the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem is is illegal guns. That's the problem right
Speaker 1: there is is guns getting in the hands of uh
Speaker 1: people that shouldn't have them. You know, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, education is part of the key,
Speaker 1: even though that's happening. I think when you re educate
Speaker 1: the mind about a firearm, because we used to just
Speaker 1: growing up here and rappers talk about yeah yeah, you
Speaker 1: never really heard a person rap about a gun and
Speaker 1: a flyway or something, you know, something different. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: having respect for the weapon. I mean, you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, I do competition shooting and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I try to change the whole narrative and perspective
Speaker 1: about guns because I think education and perception is one
Speaker 1: of the keys to help stir what's going on the
Speaker 1: other way, you know what I mean. So what are
Speaker 1: your favorite guns? Pick two? An assault right for the hangar?
Speaker 1: It's all rightful, what's that you can't talk about it?
Speaker 1: I'm cool now. I saw you posted this. I want
Speaker 1: to I wanted you to tell me how I could
Speaker 1: get it. The one that collapsed a R A R. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it collapsed into like almost it looked like, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: called folding AYR. Yeah, companies called folding they are, And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a dope one right there. But it's
Speaker 1: an a AR that folds, it falls into like it
Speaker 1: almost looks like a handgun at one point. But you know,
Speaker 1: AYR doesn't mean it's alt rifle. It's the first two
Speaker 1: letters in the company arem al oh, so it's not
Speaker 1: an a R fifteen automatically, I mean I'm a like
Speaker 1: model fifteen was just the first two letters in the
Speaker 1: company that Republican though, right, I'm not a poltical. If
Speaker 1: he was, I'm neutru Yeah, I'm neutrul with you. Holy
Speaker 1: sh it, what do you do? Joe Byra, Joe by Byron,
Speaker 1: So what's that Japanese? Listen? Joe Biden's disappointed men that
Speaker 1: think it ain't been outside live? What's going on? What
Speaker 1: a big up Trump at all? But at least you
Speaker 1: felt Trump like you you felt his presence. No one
Speaker 1: isn't outside. One was outside too much. I don't even
Speaker 1: know I got a president like I don't feel like
Speaker 1: as an American, like come on, bro, like, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: come on, come on to come out here outside right now?
Speaker 1: That rushed right now. I'm definitely not rocking with what's
Speaker 1: going on right now. You know, it's a lot of things,
Speaker 1: you know, going on and all that I ain't really
Speaker 1: rocking with with no situation, just trying to take my
Speaker 1: guns away. Neither but you know, you know, I'll stand
Speaker 1: up for the Second Amendment. So but you know, so
Speaker 1: you know, you know you're not taking Joe by the dinner. No,
Speaker 1: he can't go to dinner. I'm straight Holy this is
Speaker 1: but you see the handgun? What handgun would you pay?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, someone's picking the handgun for it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of choices. But right now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say staccato, man, I like the coccato exc or staccato.
Speaker 1: Mm okay, what what browns does that shoot? What kind
Speaker 1: of rounds? Not Miller met rounds. Yeah, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Ceazy Shadow too, I like them too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Holy mobile. Now you got the joint hope with Faith Evans.
Speaker 1: Say it again, the joint hope with faiv Evan. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very dope. But she's drink Champs a little night. He
Speaker 1: loves man. I just put that together that record. Uh,
Speaker 1: Atlantic had a lot to do with that record, and
Speaker 1: uh she was on Atlantic as well. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: on Atlantic as well, and that record. Uh it was
Speaker 1: used for I forget the name of the show, but
Speaker 1: it was a family that one of the home and
Speaker 1: the show was involved in helping uh families get homes
Speaker 1: and the little girl in the show like hope. It
Speaker 1: was one of her favorite songs. So we got a
Speaker 1: chance to kind of take that song a little further,
Speaker 1: which is really one of the reasons I made the song, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I want to try to do something
Speaker 1: dope with this song. Now, let it just be something normal,
Speaker 1: you know. So when she got on it and then
Speaker 1: we got a chance to get involved with that whole thing,
Speaker 1: that was dope, you know. Yeah, that was vib with that.
Speaker 1: And you also did a game show. Damn did what
Speaker 1: game show it was? It was? It was eximt one true.
Speaker 1: So I don't even remember that ship. You get a
Speaker 1: lot of money, man, you get don't now? I remember? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember I was in and out like a thief
Speaker 1: in the night because you talk with that type ship, like,
Speaker 1: because they also did the Netflix show t I A
Speaker 1: the Juge. Yeah, you with that type of ship doing
Speaker 1: reality or its gotta be something I'm interested in. Can't
Speaker 1: just be like just off the fly. You know. If
Speaker 1: it's something that I like or I'm interested in, I'm
Speaker 1: with it. But you know about Podcaster, Yeah, if it's
Speaker 1: something I like, yeah, Yeah, as long as the subject
Speaker 1: matter podcasting about firears, about firears, it's gonna be lit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm actually working on something. But you're just
Speaker 1: gonna shoot it up now. I ain't just gonna shoot
Speaker 1: it up. I mean that would be hard to record that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we do have a you know,
Speaker 1: outdoor range, outdoor range, damn, you know. And it's black
Speaker 1: people shooting. Yeah, yeah, accurate, black people shooting accurately and safely.
Speaker 1: That's safely. Yes, on the phone. Yeah, is it a
Speaker 1: pharm or it's like a Yeah, it's a phone. And
Speaker 1: it's Illinois. It's not your cargo. Yeah, this is Illinois. Okay, cools,
Speaker 1: you gotta come out and shoot with me one day,
Speaker 1: can't you can't. Can we bring it down here? Can
Speaker 1: we go down here? Yeah? We can do it down
Speaker 1: here too. Yeah. Yeah, we'll sponsor, We'll do something. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not bb guns. This is I got a few. You
Speaker 1: guys know, you gotta I got I got something for you.
Speaker 1: I got something for you. Now we bring have more things. Man,
Speaker 1: twist the man. I ain't gonna lie. I feel like
Speaker 1: taking another shot before we let you go. You gotta
Speaker 1: got more? Are we good? Come on, come on, anybody else,
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, bro who because you want to
Speaker 1: take a shot. It's Japanese whiskey and get your life right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I will say this
Speaker 1: is what what advice would you give artists? To have
Speaker 1: the long jell that you had that's very true, and
Speaker 1: to stay to stay consistent with the style you want.
Speaker 1: You know, you you stay true to your style. That's
Speaker 1: the one main thing is really nothing is more important
Speaker 1: than being really yourself, because you will get caught up
Speaker 1: in somebody else hype fast and you will start curving
Speaker 1: your ship to sound like they ship and looking like
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm talking about, right, you know.
Speaker 1: So the main thing is to stick with your ship,
Speaker 1: you know. And then you gotta know it's a youth
Speaker 1: driven sport too, you know. So when you listen to music,
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll see when artists start to
Speaker 1: say certain ship is whack or they don't like certain ship.
Speaker 1: That's when you're starting to lose touch a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know what. You as soon as you say that
Speaker 1: ship whack wrong like that, that's when your ass getting old.
Speaker 1: When they come to you know that my state of music.
Speaker 1: So I think the other ship is whack though, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't say everything is though. I'm not saying everything
Speaker 1: is dope, but definitely not saying. When you're saying something
Speaker 1: is whacked that's winning, then you gotta ask, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a reason it's winning. But it's certain citing. That's
Speaker 1: a fat a fade that you could tell they got
Speaker 1: they got a great six months and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: go away. Then there's certain CITs like I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I might not like it, but I'm gonna respect it.
Speaker 1: But then there's there's this gimmicks going on. Not to
Speaker 1: say it wasn't gimmicks going on in the nineties. See,
Speaker 1: I was the way I was raised on from him,
Speaker 1: let's breaking the ship is whack, man, because you know
Speaker 1: New York motherfucker's is gonna you know, it's whack. The
Speaker 1: ship is whacking. And I came up off. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's my vibe right there. So some ship is just whack.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, there's a reason why something
Speaker 1: is winning. If something is whacked a lot of times,
Speaker 1: even like I've heard whack ship, but then it'll be winning.
Speaker 1: So I'll pay more attention to it and then I'll
Speaker 1: have a production could be dope the program. You know
Speaker 1: what it is. We don't want to be that old
Speaker 1: nigga that turned into the hater m So when we
Speaker 1: know that, so we we don't want to be like
Speaker 1: look at that, you know back in my day. Like,
Speaker 1: we don't want to keep me like that. So you say,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, and you like start participating certain and
Speaker 1: ship and certain Ship is like not right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not right. It's not right. But you gotta figure out
Speaker 1: like what I've always taken out of boys, that's different, bro, No,
Speaker 1: that's not too far difference. I went too far. You
Speaker 1: went too far. You went too far. He man, hey man,
Speaker 1: they're getting money. Man, they're getting money. We don't know
Speaker 1: what they hopefully hopefully hopefully going too far. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: what would you saying? What was what was you saying?
Speaker 1: He wanted to hear spend something? I have been sipping
Speaker 1: that ship? That's that? Is it? That? You know what?
Speaker 1: Won't come out? This is a spade. This is the
Speaker 1: finest from the albums out Mountains of Everywhere. It won't
Speaker 1: come out come and see me giving about it. You
Speaker 1: gotta be gotta be up in the rhythm with about it,
Speaker 1: the level bit of me a bit about it. What
Speaker 1: was the matter with that man? Almost what y'all tell
Speaker 1: you about to grab that put it on the verse
Speaker 1: with him. He's gonna spend on that holy ship. That
Speaker 1: was all. That's all. So do you still love the
Speaker 1: game the same way? Um? I love it differently. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say the same way. Not the same way. Um
Speaker 1: it's different. I would say I still love making music.
Speaker 1: I still love creating music. But what makes me love
Speaker 1: it differently is other things going on that I realized
Speaker 1: that I can take my music and bridge it with
Speaker 1: with what I do, even with the with the with
Speaker 1: me being a firearms instructor, and just knowing that I
Speaker 1: could take my music and literally rap about the stuff
Speaker 1: I'm doing like I'm telling you, um me doing a
Speaker 1: sixty second gun review, stuff like that, just being able
Speaker 1: to play with it. So the one thing with with
Speaker 1: music is I think you have to find ways to
Speaker 1: keep making keep making it passionate to you. So you
Speaker 1: got yeah to to anybody you know, you gotta Sometimes
Speaker 1: when when you start to lose your passion for music,
Speaker 1: try to find something else that's going on. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: keep yourself relevant to yourself, but also find what what
Speaker 1: else that you may be passionate about and try to
Speaker 1: see if you can use some of that and put
Speaker 1: it over here with what you know how to do.
Speaker 1: When when in terms of music, if you still want
Speaker 1: to do it, you know you fell out of love
Speaker 1: of music before. Yeah all the time? Is it the
Speaker 1: music or because the game is different? Thing? The game?
Speaker 1: The game? Because the game the fans is always great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's always great. But everything it was fuck
Speaker 1: up about it, even having to learn the music business,
Speaker 1: like you would think, like everything is supposed to be fair.
Speaker 1: We all, you know what I'm saying, love the same culture.
Speaker 1: You gotta realize, dam I can't even trust this guy.
Speaker 1: I gotta actually, I actually gotta read and I just
Speaker 1: gotta know this and I gotta you know, go through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah what was was that something you have to go through? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah all the time. Like I had years of
Speaker 1: my life or years of my rap career shaved off
Speaker 1: from going through label drama stuff like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, to me, I was one of the
Speaker 1: artists that got the worst of that type of ship.
Speaker 1: You know. So the worst of of of label drama
Speaker 1: or not being able to put out music or dealing
Speaker 1: with drama with labels. Yeah, he wasn't throwing chairs were
Speaker 1: here unless she was stors. I wasn't throwing chairs. I
Speaker 1: might have threw a few words, but shit, did I
Speaker 1: cuss crag out before? I might have cus create the
Speaker 1: funk out one time. He probably used to it, but
Speaker 1: he used to this ship. Yeah, you took your Japanese whiskey.
Speaker 1: It's what's saying. This is the dark side. You stayed,
Speaker 1: you stayed in, you stayed in the champagne section. We
Speaker 1: respect that there's no sex in the champagne room. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he pouring heavy still he ain't learned, man. So
Speaker 1: you fucking strip clubs when we when we gotta go there,
Speaker 1: you know? So that's not what what? What what do
Speaker 1: you do? Shoot? You go out there? You just shooting
Speaker 1: shot people? What the shooting? Come on? That's that's that's
Speaker 1: that's your your version of fun on the night where
Speaker 1: you could just go out kill. You're going out and
Speaker 1: you want to go to shoot. We're probably going on
Speaker 1: the farm and shooting some a RS and a K.
Speaker 1: I released a lot of stress doing that. You're hunt
Speaker 1: into just not yet, but I'm about to start getting
Speaker 1: into some hunting. Yeah yeah, are you going all in
Speaker 1: what we're hunting? Sir? Man? If I go out there
Speaker 1: and chill with y'all, want to clear me with the
Speaker 1: army some boards or something, you know, like my whole thing.
Speaker 1: If my hunt, it's gotta be something that that's gonna
Speaker 1: be for a reason, a good reason. So like that
Speaker 1: we could eat he came through he never comes through down.
Speaker 1: Yeah huh. Yeah, that's the hardest record. That's you're broke
Speaker 1: right there. So yeah, yeah, pop that. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we're doing for fun, be going
Speaker 1: out Yeah, man, you know, I'm I'm you know in
Speaker 1: my thing. I'm training a lot too because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm under the competitive shooting, so I'm always training and shot.
Speaker 1: So let's just be clear because I asked anybody this, So,
Speaker 1: how much pussy do you think you got to your
Speaker 1: your We're like, yeah, I mean you're not married no more.
Speaker 1: I googled it, right, Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm.
Speaker 1: I still got a family and everything, so you know,
Speaker 1: I probably had my fun in my lifetime and you
Speaker 1: have a big you know, I know how I didn't
Speaker 1: have a big Your playlist was crazy today when I
Speaker 1: was going through it, I'm like, I was just calculated.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know how this is comedy because
Speaker 1: the money. I was just calculating the pussy there. I
Speaker 1: think you figure about you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: we have fun, We have fun fun. It was a
Speaker 1: little celebrities. No, you knocked down a couple of roose
Speaker 1: No Celem. There's no celem for whatever love it makes
Speaker 1: space to know the motherfucker twist coming back. My back
Speaker 1: got crazy and a little worry about it. You're married
Speaker 1: to tell You're like, yeah, we've been outside. Uh see yo,
Speaker 1: so how how crazy? How crazy is it? Oh? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we off that like just just being you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like because you know, like like we said,
Speaker 1: like you know, from seeing Shytown, you know, coming from
Speaker 1: the error where you and Carmen and then seeing like
Speaker 1: all this drill things happen and people are and then
Speaker 1: you know with the Kanye and even everyone like the
Speaker 1: people having the light on y'all city, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, how ya like you know, like
Speaker 1: you've seen the whole process, right you pretty much? Man? Uhuh,
Speaker 1: get a lot, man, it's been interest. He told a lie.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying he took. He's a good guy
Speaker 1: and I forgot to say that, Brad. Right then I
Speaker 1: didn't say that, Brad. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about the Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my girl problems. That's the homie. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. No, the brand and shower of my sisters.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you drunk? Yeah? Sho you want another?
Speaker 1: You want another? Shout of japan taking? Yeah, that's it
Speaker 1: ended out. Some shut it out. He's going into it out. Man,
Speaker 1: you end it out to drink? Say to drink that?
Speaker 1: Do say too that we want it's closer to you.
Speaker 1: Come on, what do you want that the Japanese? Come
Speaker 1: get that Japanese. Yeah, let me get the champagne. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's got you the champagne. Baby damn. Yeah, Papa new
Speaker 1: one too, if you want. I know what's going on
Speaker 1: over and now we're started once again once again. Like
Speaker 1: I said, man, you know, we just want to give
Speaker 1: people their fliers while they're alive, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And people, you know, every time you're in this game,
Speaker 1: people get ten years or more. They want to tell
Speaker 1: you you washed up. They want to say we don't
Speaker 1: want that here. We're gonna pick up our legends. We're
Speaker 1: gonna always salute our legends. Thank you, give you to
Speaker 1: your face and you know what I mean. We ain't
Speaker 1: afraid to say. You know, all niggas is great. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hold it down. You know what I mean. Thank
Speaker 1: you for being a part of that. Think you'll for
Speaker 1: coming out. Appreciate me, y'all got y'all got mean? Did
Speaker 1: we just take some flip? You get loose now? I
Speaker 1: don't know if I don't know, if you wrap it up,
Speaker 1: feel like you still it, feel like you ain't done. No,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Thanks for joining us for another episode of
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