1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: Here's some stories about show we made about a bunch 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: of doctor nurses and stories, So get around here. Are 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: yetto around here? Hey, everybody, welcome to a special episode 4 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: of Fake Doctor's Real Friends. We assembled the gang here 5 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: a bit because we want to talk about black face 6 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: in Scrubs. There were three episodes in particular over the 7 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: years that had instances of black face. One was Me 8 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: in a fantasy being Donald, one was Sarah in a 9 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: fantasy being Donald, and the third was Donald and I 10 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: attending a black fraternity party, him and white face and 11 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: me and black face. So I think we all have 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: a lot we want to say. There's a lot going 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: on in the world right now, and um this I 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: think it's very good that these discussions are all coming up. 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: Not to use a hackneyed phrase, but it does feel 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: like a teachable moment for us all. And I thought, Bill, 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: you might want to start off since you led the 18 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: charge on this and and called the studio and said 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: you want the episodes taken down, So do you want 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: to just first talk about your decision to do that 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: and you're thinking behind it. Look, the most important reason 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to do this, besides the fact that you know, 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I just felt stupid and bummed out about it, and 24 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: it's my show, and you know, I'm like, fucking if 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: it makes me feel that crappy, I can, I can, 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, I can take that out as I did 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: see some things directed at Donald and Zach and Sarah 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: and everybody should know that the reason that words showrunner 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 1: exists in television is because you're the gatekeeper and anything 30 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: that gets allowed on a show you have to ultimately 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: take responsibility for. So, first off, super sorry that any 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: of you guys had to deal with any stuff because, 33 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, ultimately, even though we're all friends and it 34 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: was a super creative and kind of reciprocal environment with 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, you guys, still ultimately at the end of 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the day did and and uh, we're receptive to doing whatever, 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, stuff we told you about. And then the 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: second thing you asked, it's a good starting place because 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: what's so interesting is it starts like ignorance. You know, 40 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: is even now I was reading stuff, you know, just 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, um when I first became 42 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: aware of this is and you know it's because of 43 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: the podcast Donald Zack. You're revisiting old episodes and it's uh, 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, I want to make sure we never sound 45 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: like we're making excuses. But one of the jokes amongst 46 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: us is that none of us have ever really watched 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: this show. When you were on a show, you make it, 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: you film it, you you shoot it, and you see 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: it on TV, and none of us have really watched it. 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: And for me, fifteen fourteen years and they're not ten 51 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: years since I saw the finale, but fifteen years since 52 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: I saw any of these episodes. And you guys saw 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: some stuff and you're like, oh man, you know there's 54 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: some issues stuff in there. You couldn't do today. It 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: didn't feel great and the Disney was really cool. We 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: didn't get asked to do this, you know. I called 57 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: him up and said, uh, um, hey, is a bunch 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: of episodes have black face in it and I want 59 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: to get rid of them. And uh, It's very interesting 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: because the PC cancel culture whatever on Twitter is like, 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: why did you pull the whole episodes? Why don't you 62 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: just edit those moments out and put them back on? 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, to one person, I'm like, yeah, 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: well it's a pandemic. I don't really have an editing 65 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: facility up right now. And I'll probably do that, you know, 66 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: but the first thing I wanted to do is get 67 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: them off TVs. That bumped me out personally, and we 68 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: can talk about why if you guys want to. You know, 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: it just made me feel shitty. I want to say 70 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: one of the biggest night Naivea Tay things that I 71 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: have about it, and I'm and I'm very sorry for 72 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: for my participation, and I just want to first talk 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: about the ones we're both Sarah and I were dressing 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: up as donald and fantasies. Is that I really, frankly 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: at the time delineated in my mind between the traditional 76 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: black face that we've seen. I remember when when Ted 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: Danson did that black face thing, and I think it 78 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: was ninety three or so. I remember being being like shocked. 79 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: I remember being like, what the funk was that guy thinking? 80 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: And I was just out of high school, you know, 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: because he had done the you know, the one we 82 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: saw growing up and back when yeah it was back 83 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: when he was dating Whoopi Goldberg. Yeah, he was dating 84 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: Whipie Goldberg, who comes up a lot on this podcast. Um, 85 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: and I remember she was laughing at it, and remember 86 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: being like I remember even just as a as a 87 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: seventeen year old or whatever, being like, what the funk 88 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: is that guy thinking? But I never when we were 89 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: doing this, I'm embarrassed to say now, I never equated it. 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I, oh, it's a fantasy where I'm 91 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: trying to be my best friend, and I never thought 92 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: it was the same thing. Um, it took a while. 93 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: It's go while. I took about when Donald I started 94 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: the podcast. I mean, obviously I cringed a little bit 95 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: about it in years, but when not Donald I first 96 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: started the podcast, he mentioned, he goes, I mean, we 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: did black face on this show, and I and I 98 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: cringed just to hear Donald, I didn't even tell you this, Donald, 99 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: but to hear you say it out loud, it really 100 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: made me feel so shitty and embarrassed and um and 101 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: and I and I just feel stupid that at the 102 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: time I didn't say to you, Bill. I mean again, 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I like, I appreciate you taking responsibility and going you know, 104 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: it was my show, but I didn't say to you 105 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: at the time, hey this is wrong, Hey we shouldn't 106 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: do this. I I could have easily spoken up, but 107 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't see it. And that's how the 108 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: climates change. You know, where everybody used to be able 109 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: to where any joke was you know, was passible as 110 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: a joke as long as it was meant to make 111 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: people laugh. Nowadays there are boundaries on what you can 112 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, do as far as jokes going. I know 113 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: a lot of comedians and stuff like that are dealing 114 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: with that issue as well. You know, how do you 115 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: make something that's hurt so many people? How do you 116 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: use that as comedy? Is the argument that everyone's having 117 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: having now, and I think people can still do it. It 118 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: It depends on the voice, you know. Um, well, yeah, 119 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I feel personally a lot of 120 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: people feel this way as well. Uh. Dave Chappelle is 121 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: one of those artists who can go out and talk 122 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: about issues that we all kind of have. Some people 123 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: have pain when it's involved, and people will laugh still, 124 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I I you know, I 125 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, I used to watch movies 126 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: when I was a kid that with with stars that 127 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: I look up to, like, you know, Eddie Murphy movie 128 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: really comes to mind when I think about this, and 129 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: it's you know which movie about trading places. Dude. It's 130 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: one of the funniest scenes in the whole movie to me, 131 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I me and my friends 132 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: used to do it together where dan Ackroyd walks on 133 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: the train dressed as a Jamaican rastafari, you know what 134 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean, and he's ain'to his face black and they 135 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 1: cut into him putting the makeup on, and he's using 136 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: shoe polish and ship like that to put it on 137 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: when he walked into the thing, and I just remember 138 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: laughing my ass off. And I know if that came 139 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: up now, I'd be like, oh, ship, and I wouldn't 140 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: laugh because now I know, thanks to Joel, our producer, 141 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm way more educated than I was before I knew 142 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: black face was bad, you know what I mean. And 143 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: when Sarah and Zach put on makeup to look like me, 144 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: I didn't look at it as a racist thing. I 145 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: looked at it as, Oh, we're trying to tell a 146 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: joke that he fantasizes he wishes he was me, and 147 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: she fantasized, and he fantasizes that his girlfriend, right, you 148 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But then when you go and 149 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: you listen to where all of this comes from and 150 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: and what Jim Crow is or was, And you know, 151 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I knew Jim Crow 152 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: was something from the South that oppressed black people, but 153 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was a white I'm be honest with you. 154 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was a white man named Jim Crow 155 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: who was just a fucking you know who made it 156 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: so people couldn't go into into into and performing places 157 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: like that because people be like, oh, it's the Jim 158 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: Crow South. I had no idea. I had no idea 159 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: that it was Jim Crow was a white man dressed 160 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: up as a black man, trying to show America this 161 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: is how stupid black people are. And it goes so 162 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: deep for me that now I can't even watch Dumbo 163 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: now because the crows in Dumbo are crows, and they're 164 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be black, and they've got all of this 165 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: slick talk and this talking job. I don't see, you know, 166 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't seem just about everything all of this ship. 167 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: Now it's like, oh, I know where it comes from. 168 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: And the fact that their crows doing it and the 169 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: fucking dude's name was Jim Crow is even more of 170 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: a mind fun for me. So it's like, how you know, 171 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: and and this is what Disney was using at the 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: time to educate children on how black people were subtly 173 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: and it was like, it's like, holy shit, it starts 174 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: with ignorance, right, Uh. And you know, we can talk 175 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: about the history of it because I'm more educated than 176 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: I ever thought I would be now just but burying 177 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: myself in reading and stuff. But you guys might have 178 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: even noticed this is where ignorance starts. We differentiated between 179 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: kind of that Jim Crow like what you remember Al 180 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Jolson almost a shoe polished black face thing, and we 181 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: did that bit once on the show with the intention 182 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: of showing how idiotic it was even now talking to 183 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: other view Yeah, we did it that one time with 184 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: Turk and j D when Turk had white makeup on 185 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: j D had black makeup on. J D got his 186 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: ass kicked. I'm like, no, we did it the other 187 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: two times that Elliott and j D were both made 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: up to look like Turk and none of us had 189 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: associated those is the same thing, you know what I mean? 190 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: And uh and uh, you know, I think we were 191 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: talking a little bit about it. You almost we almost thought, 192 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: I think that we had, in a bad way a 193 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: free pass to not have those thoughts back then because 194 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: we were so fucking proud of ourselves for doing, you know, 195 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: very diverse show in front of them behind the camera, 196 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: great black and white friendship that exists as a real 197 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: black and white friendship, great interracial couple who are stars 198 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: of the show, you know, and so uh, it was 199 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: almost a block of arrogance of like, oh, we're so 200 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: good in what we're portraying and doing and showing, you know, 201 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: we could never venture into muddy waters. And even now 202 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: with that same ignorance, you know, we never really connected 203 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: the two of those things until now. And you do 204 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: the reading, it's not any different, you know. And I'm 205 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: gonna I'm over talking, and then I'm gonna shut up 206 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: and Donald and everybody talk. And I do want to say. 207 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: One of the things that bothers me about the Internet 208 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: that that's happening is there's a big both sides is 209 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: some thing, you know, And I'm getting tons of little 210 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: connection tissue when I read now, going, well, you're gonna 211 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: pull that issue. You where that episode where Donald plays 212 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: cal Turk and as a white guy insurance agent, I'm like, no, 213 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm not because as a white guy that does not 214 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: based in any systemic racism for me or history or 215 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: any negativity. I just don't. I just for me. I 216 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: just wanted to separate that as well. I find that 217 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of argument you to be so counterproductive and ridiculous. Sorry, Donald, No, 218 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: it's so good dude. Look man, first of all, I 219 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: applaud you for saying, you know what this bothers me. 220 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: I want to take this out, you know what I mean, 221 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: and educating yourself like this was an educational thing for 222 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: me too, because when we made it, like my whole 223 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: idea of this whole thing was like, well, look, if 224 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: we could see g this opportunity at the time, it 225 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: would be my face on Sarah's body. And that's how 226 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: we would have got around all of that stuff. Just 227 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: to remind everyone, Donald, just remind everyone in the context 228 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: of that, because just with the Saurah one, for example, 229 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: it was, as I recall, j D was fantasizing what 230 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: if his girlfriend and his best friend were one person? Right, 231 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: That's how he came right, That's one of the one 232 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: of the three lines show was that you loved Turk 233 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: almost even at the end. Remember is is you tell 234 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: Elliott when you finally marry or I love you more 235 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: than Turk, and it's the biggest thing you've ever said. 236 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: And when you're living with Elliott, you know you the 237 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: only way it could be any better is if she 238 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: was Turk. You love him so much, right, right? Sorry, 239 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: so sorry, don't go back to your c So my whole, 240 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: my whole thing was like, oh, well, if if we 241 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: were now, we would do a CG situation and then 242 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have to paint anybody. But when you do 243 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: the research and you look back at it, Bill, You're 244 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: absolutely right. It comes. It's a systemic thing. It comes 245 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: from a place of people being very fucked up to 246 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: black people towards the end of slavery, to dehumanize them. 247 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: And so it's like it's like you're caught between a 248 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: rock and a hard place. For me, I'm like, I'm 249 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: not hurt by it. I'm more disappointed that it happened. 250 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: But I also believe in comedy too, right, So you know, 251 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: there are things that some of my favorite comedians saying 252 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: things that are in some of my favorite movies that 253 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: I've laughed out loud at and now I'm finding myself 254 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: having to check that, like wait, hold up, you know, 255 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: let's before we start laughing at all of the things 256 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: that we found funny in the past. Let's journey back 257 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: to where it started at. And that's the only that's 258 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: the reason why for me. Uh, I'm i'm I'm I'm 259 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: very I'm I'm Bill. I'll be honest with you. I'm 260 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: proud of you for saying, you know what, this bothered me. 261 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm taking this out. Uh, you know it's not it's 262 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: not you can't do that, you know, I don't. I 263 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: don't want to revolve around like, uh, we did good. 264 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: We're would be so proud of you know what you mean. 265 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: But no, but that's not that's that's that's not what 266 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean by it. You know, I feel like you felt, 267 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: oh shit, this is an issue and it's not all 268 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: right with me. So I want to remove it simple 269 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: go the way to simplify it. Donald is for everybody, 270 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: I think is and by the way, you know, there's 271 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: always a slippery slope in the arts of what you 272 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: know you're allowed to remove, keeping, et cetera. But for me, 273 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's right for everybody. Uh, it's 274 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: my show. I'm really proud of it. And um, those 275 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: moments nobody pressured me, and those moments make me feel 276 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: like ship make me feel stupid and uh and by 277 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: the way, there's gonna be other moments in the show 278 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: that make other people angry and go you want to 279 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: remove those And I'm going back through and watching the shows. 280 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: And it's nothing that has bothered me as much as 281 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: these three things. You know what I mean? This isn't 282 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: and so for a good rule, Yeah, it's what's the 283 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: big deal, I'm gonna pull three things out that make 284 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: me feel like ship because now entertainment um exists in perpetuity, 285 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: and uh, I should be allowed to do that. You know, 286 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. I'm glad you mentioned the 287 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: thing about Donald being a white guy because I've I've 288 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: seen that a lot too. And there's and and I 289 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: think that it's important to differentiate that there was not 290 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: this horrible history of people who were persecuted and and 291 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: and and mocked and and and and made fun of. 292 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: It's it's a completely different thing. And I I doesn't 293 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: have the stigma that that this has. I can hear 294 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy's white guy voice in my head at any 295 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: point in time and laugh hysterically. It's one of them. 296 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: I actually think it was one of the best. I 297 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: think it's one of the best kits of all time. 298 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: But Donald and Donald you were particularly hilarious doing that 299 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: as well. I do want to talk about the other 300 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: one for a second, because there were the two that 301 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: we started talking about where it worse sour in a 302 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: fantasy was Donald and then I was Donald in a fantasy. 303 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: The other one I do remember I gotta be honest, 304 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: feeling really uncomfortable doing And for those of you listening 305 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: who don't remember, Donald has the idea that we're going 306 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: to go to a I think it was called a 307 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: black and white party at a black fraternity and and 308 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: he said, I go, are you something I'm I'm paraphrasing. 309 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: I watched it. You want the lines because I watched 310 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: it to prepare phils, and it's you go you you say, 311 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: just so you know, you say, are you sure this 312 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: is gonna be okay? And Donald's like, I'm I'm going 313 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: as you. You're going as me. As long as you're 314 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: with me, it'll be fine. They're gonna think it's funny. 315 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: And so I remember reading this and being uncomfortable about it, 316 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: and I didn't I remember not wanting to do it, 317 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: to be honest, but I didn't want to disappoint anyone. 318 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: Everyone seemed to think it was funny. And again, I now, 319 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: as an established forty five year old man, I I 320 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: think I probably would have reacted differently. At the time, 321 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: I was kind of like, oh, well, I'm gonna go 322 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: along with with the joke. And I also remember being 323 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: so terrified because keep in mind, there were all these 324 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: black young men who were playing the college kids. And 325 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: I said to Scott Harris at the time, who was 326 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: a black man, and are one of our assistant directors. 327 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: I had this this this makeup on, and I said, 328 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm so uncomfortable Scott that these men are not gonna 329 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: know what the joke is. The joke is that JD 330 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: gets his ass kicked and they throw him out a 331 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: second story window. But I said, you gotta. I remember 332 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: being really nervous and saying, like, please tell all these 333 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: men who were the extras, uh, what the outcome is. 334 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: What the joke of is that I'm that I'm my 335 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: character is an idiot and then they're gonna throw me 336 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: out a window. And I remember walking up to that 337 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: set and and feeling really, really uncomfortable. I do think 338 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: at the time I thought the joke was funny that 339 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Donald leaving me. I remember he saw like a pretty girl, 340 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: and he goes with the ideas that we ring the doorbell, 341 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: and then I'm supposed to be next to my friend, 342 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: and then he goes Gina or something, and then he 343 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: walks off what happened last night? And then yeah, and 344 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: he leaves me. The guys open the door, they pull 345 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: me and beat the ship out of me off camera 346 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: and throw me out the second story window. Um. But 347 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: I remember at the time feeling uh super super uncomfortable. 348 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: But I'm ashamed at myself for not standing up and 349 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: coming to you, Bill. I feel like if I'd come 350 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: to you, you would have said we don't have to 351 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: do this. But I didn't. I was a whimp about it. 352 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: I well, you know, it's a good lesson for creators 353 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: of any kind. This is what I've been thinking out 354 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: about a lot. It's really important to me that on 355 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: a show that you guys. One of the thing reasons 356 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: I think this show worked is every cast member felt, 357 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: in my head would always come and go I think 358 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: this character would say something more like this, or I 359 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: think that it would be funnier if he or she 360 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: did this, or I think Carli, I think it'd be 361 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: better if she in turk, you know, instead of being 362 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: sexy or like this here. And we had that kind 363 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: of open collaboration even in that environment. Young actors and 364 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: actresses so don't want to be people that put a 365 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: stick in the spokes with the boss, you know what 366 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and don't want to be the person that says, 367 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: are we sure we should be doing this that even 368 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: if you think you're the most open minded boss, showrunner, 369 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: movie director, anything in the world, when there's a differentiation 370 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: in power, people aren't going to always say I'm not 371 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: doing this, I don't want to do this. And that's 372 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: a weird realization for you. If you perceive yourself as 373 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: like the most open minded you know, of course they 374 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: would say that they know they're never gonna get fired, 375 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: in trouble, punished, have less material next week, et cetera. 376 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: It's just not the way humans work. And it was 377 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: a big kind of eye opener for me. The thing 378 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: I would tell you, guys, is the dynamic I was 379 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: just talking about is even more prevalent in writer's rooms 380 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: because they're those are the people that you're directly their boss. 381 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: And one of the hard realizations is even in the 382 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: most healthy writer's room, i'd still say white writers are 383 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: the majority in there. You know, even when there are 384 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 1: all sorts of people of color, you still don't want 385 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: to be the one in a writer's room, the one, 386 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: either white writer or person of color, that goes, hey, boss, 387 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: that thing that other people are laughing at, we shouldn't 388 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: do it because you know, to me, one of the 389 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: things I feel shitty about was that, you know Scrubs 390 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: that the last episode that did that as fifteen years ago. 391 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: It's not that long, you know what I mean? Dumb Dumbo. 392 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: Hear me out, Dumbo was Joel Elds Dumbo holds that 393 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: movie roughly. I want to say, let me get you 394 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: an accurate right, but look, you you know my point being, 395 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: do you is an interesting question because you said I 396 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: can't watch anymore. I used to love it. Is it 397 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: different for you if you go something is truly a 398 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: product of the time something we're talking, you know, so 399 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: they're gone with the wind argument, you know what I mean? 400 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: We we all know that there's still racist tropes in it, 401 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people they would argue to 402 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: the Dumbo's one just got that from Joel. But you know, 403 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: to me, I'm harsher on us because it is not 404 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: that old, do you know what I mean? And to me, 405 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: I do make excuses in my head. I'm asking you honestly, 406 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: because by the way, this ship all makes me super uncomfortable, 407 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: Like are you are you gonna be able to watch 408 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: Dumbo again? And and and go with your kids and 409 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: and have go Hey, it's product at the times. There's 410 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: certain things I don't But here's here's the crazy thing. Bill. 411 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: That was my favorite part of the movie, you know 412 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: what I mean. That moment was my favorite part of 413 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: the movie. And so now it's like, holy shit, you 414 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was at one point when 415 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: they did the live action version of it, I was like, man, 416 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: you know what I missed? I missed the crows. I 417 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: feel like an asshole and an idiot for that, you 418 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Because I wasn't looking at it 419 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: as I wasn't. I wasn't looking at it as that's racist. 420 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: I was looking at it as that was the best 421 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 1: part of the movie. When I was a kid, I 422 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: loved that part of the movie. Look when I say 423 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm ignorant, I was gonna say I feel I'm fairly 424 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: well educated. I was never that book smart. But Zack 425 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: and I were random. We're talking about this. Not only 426 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: did I like you not know that, I just let 427 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: you have Jim Crow laws. I didn't know Jim Crow 428 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: was a person with some white dude performing as a minstrel. 429 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: I had never heard in my entire life of June 430 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: tenth until I heard it from a stand up comic 431 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: like five years ago. And I'm like, that's a in 432 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: And he was talking about how oh hey, other news flash. 433 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, Texas didn't stop slavery when the war was over, 434 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: And that's one, you know, one of the things that 435 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: weighs into this date. You know they took a second. 436 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know about Black Wall Street, their Tulsa masker 437 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: until I watched Watchman on television. I mean, and and 438 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: uh so, educationally, ignorance is is crazy. It's not built 439 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: into our system any of this ship. Well that's the 440 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: that's the other thing that you know, black people have 441 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: been talking about for a long time. Look, you could 442 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: teach history, but teach my history too, you know what 443 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean? You know what I mean for the longest, 444 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: you know, black history is a small part of the 445 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: textbooks that we read. When we're you know, you learn 446 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: more about the Confederacy and you learn more about you know, 447 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: that stuff before you know anything about what happened to 448 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: Africans coming to America and being you know, being slaves 449 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: and turned into slaves and stuff like that. So it's 450 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: only natural that nobody knows about these days. Nobody know, 451 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, these are stains in America's 452 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: history regards the same. That's the same, Sarah. As far 453 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: as like what's being taught in schools, it's the same, 454 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: and it's and you know, it's really it's terrible. It's 455 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: not taught in Canada. It certainly wasn't when I was 456 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: growing up, and that needs to change. And that's why 457 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: we're here right now, you know what I mean. One 458 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: of the things that's coming out of this movement that's 459 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: really good is that a lot of us who thought 460 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: we were knowledgeable are able to call ourselves out and go, 461 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: I don't know ship I didn't I didn't know anything 462 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: about Juneteenth. I agree with Bill Watchman, which Joel has 463 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: written about extensively educated me on a lot of history. 464 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: And also just two documentaries I just recently watched, which 465 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: I highly recommend people watched, was something I just blew 466 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: my mind about the criminal justice system in this country, 467 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: Done Right. Yeah, and another one called Time, which is 468 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: a series about the bail system incarceration in this country. 469 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: I digressed just to say that in the spirit of 470 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: what Bill is saying, I feel like there's uh again. 471 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: This is a moment where we can be educating ourselves 472 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: and learning. Another thing that thought that came to my 473 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: mind was that over the years, Donald and I have 474 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: cringed at people dressing up as Turk and j D 475 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: for Halloween, and I've even gone out. I've even gone 476 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: out of my way to say to people, look, hold on, 477 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go out dressed up as Turk this Halloween, 478 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: that's great. Just no black face, you know what I mean? 479 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: And I out of my way to say this, and 480 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: every year they tag us and we we cringe, and 481 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: I can't believe people are still doing it. And then 482 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: I had to call myself out and go, they're doing 483 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: it because I did it, because yeah, that's what That's 484 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: what somebody Somebody said that to me. Somebody said that 485 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: to me. Somebody was like, let me just finish the 486 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: thought they were so I I last night, I was like, 487 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: I was like tossing and turning, going a little bit 488 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: of eureka moment. I was like, that's why all those 489 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: fucking people probably did it. They all that it was 490 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: okay because we had done it, and that's really fucking 491 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: embarrassing to me. Well, yeah, that's that's I remember. I 492 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: posted that. I said, look, I feel like I have 493 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: to remind you people that when you go out this Halloween, 494 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: if you're gonna dress up as Turk and you're not 495 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: African American, it's not all right to go black face. 496 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: And somebody tweeted me back and I was like, yeah, 497 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: but Turk, but Donald, you did this. And they showed 498 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: a picture of you and me, me dressed in white 499 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: face and you dressed in black face, and was like, 500 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: well what about this? And I couldn't retort because I 501 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: was like, holy sh it, that's right. We did do 502 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: this and that's how And I didn't remember that we 503 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: had done that until that moment. You know. So there's 504 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: like these kids that watched the show that like that 505 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: we This is the thing that makes me cringe and 506 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: feel horrible and and and so regretful is that if 507 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: we contributed in any way to x amount of young 508 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: people being like, oh it's okay because they did it. 509 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: That's what I truly regret and I'm so apologetic about. Yeah, 510 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, you know, Bill, Regardless of how much flak 511 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: you want to take for this, it's still we were 512 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: still in the moment, and we were still there and 513 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: we you know what I mean. And no, look the 514 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: painful the all of us on the call. I thought 515 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: it was funny as ship, and we were doing we 516 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: thought we were funny as ship. And it's the kind 517 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: of the arrogance that comes with success. And you know, man, 518 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: it's it's Uh. I guess I like to think the 519 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: uncomfortable conversations are good and uh, and people can say 520 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: the ship they want to say to me, I'm beating 521 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: myself up plenty. I also do want to talk about too. 522 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: I really respect to you guys all for doing this uh. 523 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: And Joel, I appreciate you kind of leading us along 524 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: here too with with questions and articles and stuff like that. 525 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm really grateful. But the uh, there's also this wave 526 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 1: right now as artists and as actors and actresses and 527 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: writers directors that you know, people are going like, uh PC, 528 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: culture is gonna it's gonna ruin art. It's gonna ruin art, 529 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, and it's not. Art's gonna be fine. Okay, 530 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: is the one thing I want to say. Art's gonna 531 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: be And I'm so old, you know we're talking about 532 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: we feel uncomfortable about that all comes off this. You know. 533 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: When I first got into writing comedy, you guys wouldn't 534 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: none of the four of you would believe it. But 535 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: nine of the ten writers rooms you would walk into, 536 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: if there were eight writers, it would be seven white 537 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: dudes and one woman. Okay. And even though there's still 538 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: tons of way to go, you know, as far as 539 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: uh equal representation for not only black writers on shows, 540 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: but people of color running creating their own shows, arts 541 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: better for it, you know, My point being, at every 542 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: stage of my career there's been some version of this, 543 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: and the end result is not that arts worse, because 544 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: I think TV especially is in a great error right now. 545 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: You know. For the content, art gets better for it, 546 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: you know, And so don't beat yourselves up, keep beating 547 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: me up, because I should have. I was older than 548 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 1: you and knew more than you know. Bill, I mean, 549 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: I I do, I do, I I'm I'm so sorry. 550 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: I feel like I shouldn't have done it. I feel like, 551 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's not funny now. It wasn't funny then, 552 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: and I recognize that it hurt people, and I would 553 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: never ever do it again. I wish I could take 554 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: it back. The easiest thing to say, by the way, 555 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: because a lot of people you know have a lot 556 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: of different opinions, is it's my show, tough ship if 557 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: I but if I so, if I hurt your feelings, 558 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm super super sorry. And if you're one of those 559 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: people that you're like, it didn't hurt my feelings and 560 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't go, I'm glad that you feel that way. You're 561 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: welcome to but tough shit, it's uh, it's it's my show. 562 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: I get to do what I want in this occasion. 563 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: Look back, I know all you three as people. Man, 564 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: you're all incredibly open minded, incredibly philanthropic, probably mind, and 565 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: we're all able to still be family and close because 566 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: of it. So again, I'm probably over talking. It just 567 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: bumps me out when I hear people beating themselves over 568 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: something that was my fault. Well, I think it's it's 569 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: the good news is that this has inspired us to 570 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: educate ourselves and and and to continue to learn and 571 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: to not be uh arrogant about continuing to learn. And 572 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: well also it's it's where we are right now as 573 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 1: a as a society, as a pivotal point. And I 574 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, more than ever my voice uh 575 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: can help you know what I mean. And it's something 576 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: that you know, I do want to talk about now. 577 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. For a long period of time, 578 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: I was very apprehensive and afraid to talk about stuff 579 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: because I you know, my fan base and all of 580 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: that ship. But this is way bigger than that. This 581 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: is this is my kids lives. This is my kids 582 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: kids lives. This is this will go one forever if somebody, 583 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: if we don't stand up to it, and I can't 584 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: sit back and not say anything about inequality anymore, regardless 585 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: of if it's against African Americans, if it's against gays, 586 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: I can't not say anything anymore women, if it's against whim, 587 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: I can't not say anything anymore. So it's not a 588 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: it's not a wake up call for me. I was. 589 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: I was woke before this, but I'm even more in 590 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: the fight now, you know what I mean. I feel 591 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: like this was, you know, for for all of us. 592 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: I feel like this was a kick in, a kick 593 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: in the in the private parts. But this is very 594 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: necessary kick in the private parts. Yeah, but it's a 595 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's made it so each and every 596 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: one of us will check ourselves from here on out, 597 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that's you know, Well, 598 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to say anything? Um, 599 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: You've been You've been helpful in getting uh us educated 600 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: in ways that I don't think we were, And I 601 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: just want to know if you want to add anything. 602 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: I guess I just have a question at this point. 603 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: I have one belief that when you're making an apology, 604 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: it's a three part process. And that process is a 605 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: knitting it, which we've done apologizing to the people that 606 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: were hurt, which you guys have done, but then see 607 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: and Donald did it a little bit just now. But 608 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: it's it's making a plan going forward so that not 609 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: only does this not happen again, but that we make 610 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: it better and easier for people coming up. And I 611 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: just I want to ask you guys like what you're 612 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: going to do because we know that their systemic racism, 613 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: and all of you have access in power in the 614 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: industry to make active changes. And so when I ask you, 615 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, what do you think you can do? Yeah? 616 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: Going forward, I want to continue to learn and to 617 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: read all the books that have been recommended to me, 618 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: and I want to continue talking to my kids about race, 619 00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: but now it will be more informed and um, most 620 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: importantly in terms of projects. Going forward, I will use 621 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: my voice every time something is not right. Yeah, I 622 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: think I agree. I I A lot of the stuff 623 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,239 Speaker 1: I've been reading has inspired me to want to be 624 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: more involved. I think I for a while I was 625 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: just saying, well, I'm not I'm not a racist person 626 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 1: and my favorite human being on earth as a as 627 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: a black man, like you know, I was sort of 628 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: resting on these ridiculous laurels and not being proactive and 629 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: taking action. And now I think, with what's going on 630 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: in the country and what's what we're all reading about, 631 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: what we're all learning about watching these documentaries, I mean 632 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: I want to actively get involved in making a change. Bill. Yeah, 633 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: it looks um to me. It's a bigger question. I'll 634 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: tell you an embarrassing story is Um, it's it's involves 635 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: defining what the word enough means to you, Like I 636 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: am I doing enough right, and it's gonna be different 637 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: for every people and you can't define it. And I 638 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: am definitely the type of person that for a long time, UM, 639 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: felt like I'm doing enough? You like Spin City is uh? 640 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: You know, I had a gay black regular that it 641 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: wasn't the joke, you know what I mean, and got 642 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: all these awards for it early on, and so I 643 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: was always patting myself in the back. And then one 644 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: of the and you know, and and most of my 645 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: shows and staffs have been diverse in either in front 646 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: of behind the camera both and then uh, I was 647 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: trying to think about it because I thought you might 648 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: ask something like this. And I did a show once 649 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: and I don't want to mention the show because I 650 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: don't want to mention somebody that wasn't his fault in 651 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: which I wasn't going to run the show. So I 652 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: was going to write it with a uh, you know, 653 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: young writer that was on one of my shows, Uh, 654 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: supervise them, and I was really proud and exciting. The 655 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: show got picked up and we went to those t 656 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: C A s um the panel was. I was like, 657 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: this is cool because this network hasn't really done this. 658 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: This is an hour long television show that the four 659 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: regulars on the show, the four Pete four actors, and 660 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: these guys all sat up there are an Asian guy, 661 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: two black guys, and a Latina woman and you know, 662 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: and so I'm patting myself on the back and raising 663 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: my arms and one of the first questions is why 664 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: are two white guys right in this? And uh, the 665 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, And it was a reporter because I've been 666 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: doing this for a long time that it was nice 667 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: to me and didn't make a huge issue out of it. 668 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: But the real question was why did I pick you 669 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean, a dude. It's not it's not 670 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: that young guy's fault. Who any young guy going I've 671 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: never created the TV show my boss of this many 672 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: years is picking me to do one? You know what 673 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: I mean? Uh, any dude would go, fuck yeah, let's 674 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: do it, you know. And that should have been a 675 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: slightly longer search process to mock myself, you know. And 676 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: that's the change in thinking of what is enough. But 677 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: I made one of those key mistakes that for me 678 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: makes my enough not good enough anymore, you know. And uh, 679 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: it's really I don't know who the first person that 680 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: said it was, but one of these things, it was 681 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: all over the vernacular, was not enough to be not 682 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: a racist, it's enough Biana racist. And my son asked 683 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: what that meant, and I told him that it meant. 684 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: What meant for me was the countless times I've been 685 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: somewhere where ever heard some dude and we know, the 686 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: guy make a blatantly racist joke amongst a bunch of 687 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: people drinking beers to test the water. And I was fine, going, 688 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: all right, that guy's a dick. I'm never gonna I'm 689 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: not gonna laugh at all, and he's not gonna be 690 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: in my world. And I just don't laugh and move on. Uh. 691 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: And that's as shade different than having the courage to go, hey, dude, 692 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: shut the funk up, right. And so those those two metaphors, 693 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: that metaphor, to me, those two things are very similar. 694 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: So for what you know, for me, what it means 695 00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: going forward is adjustin that ship. So that's where I'm at, Joe. Oh, 696 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm going 697 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: to educate myself more because so I so I can 698 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: talk about a lot of uh the history of of 699 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: of my people and be able to speak knowledgeable of 700 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: it and not talk out of my ass, you know 701 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. That's one way that I'm going to 702 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: change who I am instead of being just okay with 703 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: all right. I'm an African American man in this industry, 704 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: and I've made it this far. I'm a great example, 705 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: uh you know. I'm also I'm I'm I'm a firm 706 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: believer of h of of bringing the next one up 707 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: and and and helping those behind me and who don't 708 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: have the opportunities that I have. And so I plan 709 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: on investing in you know, African American communities, whether it 710 00:36:54,120 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: be my time or or my knowledge of my experience, 711 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: I plan on doing that. I plan on, you know, 712 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: talking to the youth about my experience. Uh, you know, 713 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: And because at the end of at the at the 714 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's you know, you can't sit 715 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: on I can't sit on everything that I've learned so far, 716 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: and just I'm not gonna I feel like if I 717 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: just sit on it and keep it for myself. I'm 718 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: a stingy individual and I'm not and I'm not pushing 719 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: forward equality and so I you know, all my experiences 720 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: and everything that I've gone through and and and educating 721 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: myself are in my uh immediate future. I'll say that 722 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing that all of you guys want to 723 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: educate yourselves and our are starting that journey. I think 724 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: that is. I think this, especially as the black community 725 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: said over and over and like, that's the least, that's 726 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: the first thing, and I think it's it's an important part. 727 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: But I hope that especially as um you guys continue 728 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: on your journeys and continue to join shows, that you'll 729 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: look around at your staff and see who's missing and 730 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: call it out when you see it. Because to me, 731 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: especially as a black person who's been in Hollywood for 732 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: six years and walking around and seeing who gets to 733 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: come up and seeing you know, the way a lot 734 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: of young black people are treated on sets, the way 735 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: they're sort of frequently run out. You know, we've just 736 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: heard the thing um that was happening on Glee, and 737 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: a lot of these situations you know, again not that 738 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: long ago, five or six years ago, and it's still 739 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: a struggle. And so now that you guys have have 740 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: said all this and and and I think done the 741 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: first work of making sure that you know past mistakes 742 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: are called out and and you're being held accountable, which 743 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: is great. There's still so many people who are willing 744 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: to hide and just be like, oh that was long 745 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: ago and I didn't know. So I think this is 746 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: a great first step. Um, and I hope to see 747 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: you guys continue to do more. Is it all with Joel? 748 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: Is it always going to make me feel this uncomfortable? 749 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: Is that part of it? Yeah? I think so. I 750 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: mean I'm black and kin uncomfortable my whole life. I 751 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: think we'll be okay. By the way, I'm so glad 752 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: you said that I was going for the setups in 753 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: case you wanted to be Actually, she was like, no, 754 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: it won't be this uncomfortable. It's gonna be it's Is 755 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: there something Joel can do to make me feel better 756 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: about the way this is going? Joel? Can you make 757 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: this easier? I think it's good. I think it's good 758 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: in all aspects of our lives to have the uncomfortable conversations. Um. 759 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: There was a thing my father used to say, breakdowns 760 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: lead to breakthroughs. And uh, I think that's a good 761 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: to have some breakthroughs in our lives. I want to 762 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: think listening tomorrow, we'll be back with the regular podcast. 763 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: But we just wanted to We didn't want to just 764 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: send out a tweet or put out a statement. I 765 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: think it was something that was on all of our 766 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: minds to just kind of get together and talk. So 767 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 1: and U Zach is uh not speaking for you guys, 768 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,959 Speaker 1: I didn't you know when I did this, I'm sorry. 769 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: I don't affect any of you. I didn't put out 770 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 1: any statement or anything like that because those always seemed 771 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: to me like, hey, I'm apologizing uh now that I 772 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: think I might be in trouble um and uh, you know, 773 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's just part of the part of the 774 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: toxic nature of the internet and part of reality that 775 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: but uh, I would say to that, I'm sure you 776 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: guys are cool with it too. I'm willing to talk 777 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: to anybody in anyone in a cool, constructive forum about 778 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: any of this stuff, uh, including you know, my my 779 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: own shortcomings with it. And I'm still do you want 780 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: journalists to hit you up? Is that what you're saying. 781 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: I think things like this, you guys have a big 782 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: audience in this podcast, and I think anything where you 783 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: reach people, anything where you reach people, I hope you 784 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: guys will do it with me and continue to do that. Um, 785 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: you can shoot the ship and answer questions with no 786 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: rules and all that stuff. I'm I'm always down for 787 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: it if you guys want to Yes. Um, thank you guys. 788 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: Thank you Jowell for moderating and sort of really helping 789 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: be a great producer of the show. Sarah, our favorite Canadian, 790 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming, Thanks for having me, and uh we 791 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: love you guys. Thank you for listening, and um tune 792 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: in tomorrow for the very last episode of season one 793 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: with guest stars Bill Lawrence and Chris the Miller. Um, 794 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: I think we should end in song. Donald know, yeah, 795 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: it's the first episode I've ever been on that. I 796 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: didn't say five, six, seven, eight, just did it though. No, 797 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 1: we're not gonna go one. Donald, Let's change the tone 798 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 1: and lead us in song. Thank you everybody for listening. 799 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: Sick seven eight stories about show we made about a 800 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 1: bunch of doctor nurses and jan stories. So get around here? 801 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: Are yet around here? Are mm hmm