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Speaker 1: Toronto Star columnist Mike Wilner back on ft OH, how

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Speaker 1: things have changed since we last spoke to you, Mike,

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Speaker 1: how you doing and what's your shock factor? If you

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Speaker 1: go back to let's go back to the off season, right,

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Speaker 1: if you go from the off season to now, what's

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Speaker 1: your shock factor? If I said, Mike, you'd be on

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Speaker 1: foul territory in October ninth talking about the Jays taking

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Speaker 1: down the Yankees in four games to advance to the ALCS.

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Speaker 2: First of all, the shock factor for just being back

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Speaker 2: on foul territory is pretty huge. It's been a long time,

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Speaker 2: as you guys called me. But as far as the

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Speaker 2: Jays being in the ALCS, look, I thought going into

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Speaker 2: the season that it would be a season like twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two or twenty three, where the Blue Jays were

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Speaker 2: sort of a fringe wild card contender, probably the sixth

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Speaker 2: or seventh best team in the American League might sneak

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Speaker 2: into the playoffs, and once you get in things can happen.

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Speaker 2: But obviously they hadn't made anything happened in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: for a very long time. And then the season started

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Speaker 2: and they started off twelve and eight, playing really well,

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Speaker 2: but then they lost I think sixteen out of twenty,

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Speaker 2: and it was pretty plain to see that it didn't think.

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Speaker 2: It didn't look like things were gonna work. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: impressed by the offseason, and in fact, you know what,

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Speaker 2: looking back now, I continue to not be impressed by

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Speaker 2: the off season because the players that they brought in,

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Speaker 2: the big ones, Anthony Santander, andre C Menez, Jimmy Garcia,

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Speaker 2: Max Scherzer didn't really contribute to the Blue Jays having

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Speaker 2: the ninety four win season and finishing in first place.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Hoffman did with thirty three saves that was pretty terrific,

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Speaker 2: but he was also second in the league in blown

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Speaker 2: by relievers. So, you know, it felt like to me

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Speaker 2: until they got Santan Daer that they were tripling down

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Speaker 2: on this pitching and defense thing and trying to prove

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Speaker 2: that you can win a game nothing. Nothing. Then they

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Speaker 2: got Santa there a little bit of power, but he

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Speaker 2: wound up missing four months. So I think it's reasonable

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Speaker 2: to say that nobody saw this coming, and especially first

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Speaker 2: week of May. Nobody saw this coming. But credit to them,

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Speaker 2: they become a really, really good team with serious contributions.

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Speaker 2: From one through twenty six, they were the second hardest

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Speaker 2: team in the league to strike out, and they led

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Speaker 2: the major leagues in batting average in on base percentage.

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Speaker 2: That's tough to be.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 4: Krat said this earlier. They out baseball, and what you

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Speaker 4: just said kind of is what they do. They're one

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Speaker 4: through twenty six. Every guy contributes, no matter who it

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Speaker 4: is or what they're doing. And I agree. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they just out baseball the Yankees, and they have a

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Speaker 4: way to They have a pretty I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna say easy path, but they have a path to

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Speaker 4: not only get to the World Series for the first

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Speaker 4: time in forever, but to win it because of really

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Speaker 4: good starting pitching, really good defense, timely hit in a

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Speaker 4: bullpen that's been I think is better than people give

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Speaker 4: them credit for, even though I know they've taken their lumps.

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Speaker 4: But I just think this is a complete roster, and

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Speaker 4: for me, it's the most complete roster right now in

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Speaker 4: the American League.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it is, and I don't even

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Speaker 2: know that you have to say right now, the Blue

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Speaker 2: Jays are the top seed in the American League. They

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Speaker 2: earned that number one spot and I understand. I don't

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Speaker 2: know quite why. Maybe because they finished in the last

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Speaker 2: place last year, Maybe because they really have been an

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Speaker 2: afterthought around Major League Baseball except for twenty fifteen and sixteen,

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Speaker 2: for about three decades. But they're the top seed, they're

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Speaker 2: the number one team in the American League, they have

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Speaker 2: the best record in the league, so they should have

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Speaker 2: the path to go into the World Series. And there's

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Speaker 2: no question that Seattle and Detroit going to a Game

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Speaker 2: five helps them out a lot because it takes Trek

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Speaker 2: Scooble and Logan Gilbert out of the equation until Game three,

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Speaker 2: regardless of which team they face. And they'll be playing

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Speaker 2: a team that has to have done two cross country

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Speaker 2: flights in three days. And I know how well big

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Speaker 2: league teams travel, but it's still a pain to do

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Speaker 2: seventy two hours. So yeah, they definitely aj out baseball.

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Speaker 2: The New York Yankees, and I have to agree with

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Speaker 2: Buck Martinez are one of our broadcasters here. The Yankees

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Speaker 2: just aren't a very good baseball team. I mean, yet,

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Speaker 2: they won ninety four games, it was great, But if

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Speaker 2: they're not hitting home runs, they're not going to beat you.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that the Blue Jays were able to

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Speaker 2: so overwhelm their starting pitching until Cam Schlittler, who was

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Speaker 2: fine nothing specially give up four runs, but fine. You know,

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Speaker 2: Max Freed, Luis Hill, and Carlos Rodon none of them

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Speaker 2: gotten out in the fourth inning. And it's just because

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Speaker 2: the Blue Jays wore them down. Heel, you can do

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Speaker 2: that to Freedom Rodn you're not supposed to be able

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Speaker 2: to do it too. But the Blue Jays have worn

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Speaker 2: down good starting pitching all year by not striking out

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Speaker 2: and having extended Anthony Santander had an eleven pitch flyout

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Speaker 2: last night. It's it's a good baseball team. They take

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Speaker 2: so a big hits bound to happen sooner or later.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And they do. They do a lot of things that

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Speaker 2: the Yankees don't, which is why they went eleven and

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Speaker 2: six against them this year.

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Speaker 4: Eight Eastern, so prime, prime time. I'm pomped man Friday,

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Speaker 4: there was no games on a Friday night before. Well,

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Speaker 4: guess what you get Game five? My question is this

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Speaker 4: Do we think the Phillies get it done? But I

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Speaker 4: love the fact that we get a game five. I've done.

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Speaker 4: This will be my third Game five I've got to do.

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Speaker 4: They are awesome, they are fun. My first two years

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Speaker 4: Manager's panic like nobody, oh my.

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Speaker 3: There was there some angst in this series between the

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Speaker 3: two teams, because I get it when the series is over,

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Speaker 3: it's a big series. You're you're playing your you're playing

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Speaker 3: your division rival. But before the series started, you saw

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Speaker 3: you saw George Springer say, oh, why don't they just

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Speaker 3: give give the Yankees the division? And then after Hoffman

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Speaker 3: closed the game out and struck out Bellinger, you saw

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Speaker 3: him look over yell at their dugout, show him away.

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Speaker 3: You heard what John Schneider said, you know, play his

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Speaker 3: his his comments after the game, and I get it

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Speaker 3: the spoils. But was there extra angst because it was

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Speaker 2: I think that that extra emotion was in there more

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Speaker 2: be because it was the Yankees and what they I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's what they represent, but the I've

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Speaker 2: called it like Manifest Destiny. It's like people simply believe

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Speaker 2: that because the Yankees are the Yankees, they have earned

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Speaker 2: this level of respect and deference, and it's just it's

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Speaker 2: just not the case. I mean, they the Yankees and

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Speaker 2: beat us? Like what you know, Like the Yankees were

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Speaker 2: talking and a lot of people were talking like the

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Speaker 2: Yankees were the favorites in this series again, despite the

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Speaker 2: fact that the Jays had won the season series with them,

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Speaker 2: against him in Toronto this year and were the higher seed,

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Speaker 2: didn't have to play in the first round. And yet

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Speaker 2: now I think I saw on the Athletic ninety nine

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Speaker 2: of the people were predicting that they of their reporters

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Speaker 2: sort of carry themselves like, well, you know, we're gonna win,

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Speaker 2: so I don't have a problem with pushing back on that,

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Speaker 2: especially when it's not deserved, and it certainly wasn't deserved

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Speaker 2: this year, and it did feel like, you know, you

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Speaker 2: give it to New York. There were three calls in

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Speaker 2: that was not reviewable. Three plays that went horribly against

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Speaker 2: if Major League Baseball didn't want the Blue Jays to

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Speaker 2: never would have gotten anywhere close to ninety four wins.

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Speaker 2: They would have been an eighty three win team that

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Speaker 2: heightened emotions at the time, and I believe that you know,

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Speaker 2: any time you have the chance to give it to

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Speaker 2: the New York Yankees, you absolutely have to do it

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Speaker 2: because they're the New York Yankees. They're they're the Evil Empire.

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Speaker 3: All right? Moving forward, before you.

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Speaker 2: Do, Cratzy, I have to say this one thing because

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Speaker 2: I watched the segment before and you were talking about

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Speaker 2: remember the double and the ninth inning you hit off

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Speaker 3: What a what a hey, you know, blind squirrel finds

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Speaker 3: it not every once in a while, but what a

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Speaker 3: memory that's like twenty fourteen. Yeah, that was a big moment.

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Speaker 3: That was a big moment. Okay, I appreciate it. Now

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Speaker 3: now I forget my question. No, is the fact that

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Speaker 3: they had to run a bullpen game, and is the

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Speaker 3: fact that they had Chris Bassett and Max Schurzer not

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Speaker 3: something that they have to And I know the bullpen

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Speaker 3: game went really well, but holy crap, seventh inning, I

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Speaker 3: think the Yankees had the tying run up. Had that

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Speaker 3: day starter in Golfman, Trey you Savage. Is that a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was two out in the eighth inning when

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Speaker 2: the Yankees got the tying run to the plate, and

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Speaker 2: after the walk to load the bases, Jeff Hoffmin got

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Speaker 2: a first pitch out and that's when it got really

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Speaker 2: really tight. But you're right, if the Yankees tie the game,

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Speaker 2: you're going to Gosman or you Savage, and then your

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Speaker 2: hands are pretty tied for Game five. I think I

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Speaker 2: thought going into the series only carrying three starters was

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Speaker 2: another one of these maybe two cute moves by the

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Speaker 2: front office. But the truth is Chris Bassett finished the

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Speaker 2: season on the injured list. He had a back problem

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Speaker 2: and they didn't think that he was gonna be ready

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Speaker 2: to help them in this series. He probably is back

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Speaker 2: on the roster for the Alcs and Max Scherzer. He's

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Speaker 2: going to the Hall of Fame. He's one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest pitchers of all time. He has been such a

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Speaker 2: big help around here, especially those six weeks in July

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Speaker 2: since the middle of August has pitched twenty five innings

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Speaker 2: and given up twenty five runs, and he's got an

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Speaker 2: not sure. You know, I hate, I know this is

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Speaker 2: like blasphemy, but I don't think he earned a spot

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Speaker 2: on the playoff ros much like Mark Burley wasn't on

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Speaker 2: the playoff roster for the Jason twenty fifteen. But I

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Speaker 2: do think having the way the days off go in

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Speaker 2: the best of five lent more credence to using a

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Speaker 2: able to take it easy on the relievers. In Game three,

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Speaker 2: you hoped for a longer start from Shane Bieber and

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Speaker 2: didn't get it, but they made sure that nobody threw

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Speaker 2: more than twenty pitches out of the bullpen in Game three,

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Speaker 2: and an off day before that and an off day

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Speaker 2: after Game four. You can do it. But if you

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Speaker 2: want to run a bullpen game in the ALCS, you're

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Speaker 2: because you're going to wear out your bullpen four Game

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Speaker 2: five or in Game three, and that's an issue. I

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Speaker 2: think we're going to see Chris Bassett back on the

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Speaker 4: All Right, a couple of things you just said, like one,

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Speaker 4: not having Mark Burley on the playoff roster. Who's blasphem me? Okay,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what he did, but I mean, he

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Speaker 4: was only throwing eighty three in two thousand and five

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Speaker 4: and he pitched fine, so I'm sure he was maybe

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Speaker 4: throwing eighty two so he would have been fine. So

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Speaker 4: let's also, you know, establish it. And yeah, Max, you

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Speaker 4: didn't hear him anything from Max. Max understood why these

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Speaker 4: guys they get it, they understand. But my question is

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Speaker 4: are we going to see Bo? Are we going to

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Speaker 4: see Bobachette. I know he's been jogging, but there's a

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Speaker 4: big difference between jogging and playing shortstop in the ALCS

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Speaker 2: We're definitely not going to see Bobachett playing shortstop, I think.

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Speaker 2: But I think we may see Bobachett as a DH

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Speaker 2: huge strides in the past few days, but he still

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Speaker 2: has to be able to run the bases, and he's

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Speaker 2: got three days to get better, and you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: he's got six. Because if I'm the Blue Jays and

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Speaker 2: I think Bo's gonna be ready for Game three, I'm

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Speaker 2: ready for Game three, which is Tuesday. Game one Sunday

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Speaker 2: will be five weeks exactly since he got hurt sliding

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Speaker 2: into Austin Wells shin guard and sort of jamming up

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Speaker 2: four to six week injuries usually, But to have him

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Speaker 2: out there playing shorts up. There is zero chance of

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Speaker 2: that happening before the World Series if they get there,

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Speaker 2: and maybe not even in the World Series. But I

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Speaker 2: would not be surprised if he's on the roster as

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Speaker 2: a DH only, and that might cost Anthony santanderra a spot.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point decisions call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a tough call. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: Santander has I think three hits since coming back. He

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Speaker 2: and to be able to ask a guy to be

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Speaker 2: for me. It was one for ten with six strikeouts

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Speaker 2: three hits in this ALCS. He's a poor defensive outfielder.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to put George Springer out there

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Speaker 2: and to have Bow's bat back. He's missed a month,

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Speaker 2: but his swing's a little bit different than Santander's and

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Speaker 2: Tony Tatter's missed a lot of time and really hasn't

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Speaker 2: done it. He's had some great at bats since he's

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Speaker 2: gotten back, but they haven't resulted in any hits. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, the one the game three was that the two

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Speaker 3: That was big.

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Speaker 1: I know they lost the game, but that was big.

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Speaker 2: But that is fair.

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Speaker 3: That is fair.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a tough year for him, and

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Speaker 1: I think everyone would agree if bo can hit, they

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Speaker 1: will take that bat because he also, I think has

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Speaker 1: the clutch gene, which we could spend an hour talking

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Speaker 1: about alone. Mike, this was awesome, man. We will invite

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Speaker 1: you back sooner, especially if these Wouldjays keep doing their thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Always a pleasure to be here, guys,

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Speaker 2: thanks H,