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Speaker 1: sound argument. If Ida's winds verify that one fifty mile

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Speaker 1: Kimbro and I am the coach for the Dealer University

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Speaker 1: mock trial team. Today is September the twentieth. Our campus

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Speaker 1: The city UM is still very much in recovery. I

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Speaker 1: of Class Action. A ram in the Bush. It's a desert.

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Speaker 1: It's a desert, one week after the campus of Dillard

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Speaker 1: Students like DeAndre Bell are making the best of it.

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Speaker 1: This is lawless chapel. This is where we hold all

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Speaker 1: The point is the same, The principle is the same,

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Speaker 1: while there is truth to it. Twice as good as what,

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Speaker 1: If it's excellence, it's excellence period. You all know the

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Speaker 1: Adria and having been on this team, this kim Bro

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Speaker 1: to walk, so I'm not really too bothered by it

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00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: because you know, it's difficult we walk down street. Now,

430
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: what you don't see while this daytime is there are

431
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: homeless people that do sleep alongside this, so you know

432
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: it's dangerous because it can't get dark really fast. But

433
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: with that in mind, I feel like a lot of

434
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: students have begun to use something of a buddy system,

435
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, walking their parents, driving their parents, things of

436
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: that nature, just to ensure that people are safe. This

437
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: right here is my room. It's pretty clean. A problem

438
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: with that, but this is where I lay my head

439
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah, it's literally just a standard hotel room.

440
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: No amenities necessarily for students or anything like that. Just

441
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: simple living quarters. Your mother won't sit on the bed,

442
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: but you're simple living quarters. Usual things. But I try

443
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: to make it as close to home as possible. So

444
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: I got some season it right here. Um, A couple

445
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: of sauce packets and things in case I get nuggets,

446
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: so you know, whatever the case may be. UM, A

447
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: couple of cups, so whenever I go out to take

448
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: a little souvenir cup, putting it right here. Students that

449
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: do it were allowed to bring some of their items

450
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: from the norm to the hotel. So I brought my microwave. Um,

451
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: I brought a second refrigerator because the one here is

452
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: absolutely tiny. It's just some left food from last night. Obviously,

453
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: drawers right here. I don't necessarily use them all too often,

454
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to just have stuff

455
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: sitting here. But I do have like my belts and

456
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: my ties for whenever mock trial prime example, it's my

457
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: little tie box, so I have a bunch of different

458
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: colored ties and things of that nature. I do have

459
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: some snacks right here, so I can explain these are

460
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: not all mine. These are also some of my friends.

461
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: You know. Again there are times where I have to

462
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: link up with them outside of school. So this is

463
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: our snack drawer in case we need to get a

464
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: bite to eat or something before we leave, you know,

465
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: something like that. Disregard to our promise, those are not

466
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: all mine. This is like my quote unquote library, if

467
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: you will. I love to read titles. Absolutely so we

468
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: have black Power, which is a book by Qualmy Terray,

469
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: um Stocally, car Michael, and Charles V. Hamilton's part of

470
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: my politics is helping black people, just like everybody else

471
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: is getting helped, and so they have that kind of

472
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: background would be very essentral moving forward. Barack Obama, Yes,

473
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: I got this book for my birthday actually, so as

474
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, I started telling my family wants to run

475
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: for president. Man Barack Obama has been a big influence

476
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: for me terms of doing that. The man did it all.

477
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: My dad once said, and I disagree with this, but

478
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: he was like, if you know Barack Obama was perfect

479
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: and everybody had a problem with them, then you're gonna

480
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: have to work even harder because you're not as perfect.

481
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: And he's right, absolutely, but like Barack Obama wasn't perfect either,

482
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 1: and the Promise Land is a prime example of that.

483
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: And now look at them, you know, for in President

484
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: United States, he was a lawyer, he was doing all

485
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: these big things. Naturally, it's some shoes that you know,

486
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to fill into. And departure time is set

487
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: for three and either departure would be in front of

488
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: the books. I guess it's Halloween weekends and you can

489
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: feel the excitement in the air. The team's first competition

490
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: is coming up at the University of Mississippi Ole MISS.

491
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: This is their first in person tournament and more than

492
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: a year, and for a lot of the students it's

493
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: their first time ever competing without Zoom. It's a big deal.

494
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: It takes about five hours worth sold to get to

495
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: Oxford a week where all miss located. There will be

496
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: a midpoint stock for dinner. Based upon our calculations, Jackson,

497
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: Mississippi appears to be like a bad way point, so

498
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: we'll be scouting out places to eat in Jackson, but

499
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: probably Adrea is sending two teams to Mississippi. Team A

500
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: features DeAndre and Caitlin, who will play an expert witness.

501
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: Team B is led by Amaya and Lagene. Both teams

502
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: will be coached by Judge Reese and Alicia Fryson. The

503
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: biggest thing is jelling and becoming incredibly comfortable in a courtroom.

504
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a space that's supposed to beat

505
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: professionalism into you and make you feel like you don't belong,

506
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: especially for black people and people of color. It's a

507
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: space institutionally rooted in disenfranchising people of color and I

508
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: really intentfully wanted to be a part of this team

509
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: to help train future black litigators to embrace that space,

510
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: like you belong here and we're gonna make it work.

511
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: It rewrites history, It takes back all that strength from

512
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: our ancestors. The Diller team is the first to arrive

513
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: and they take their seats right down in front, something

514
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: unthinkable a generation ago. James H. Meredith is formally enrolled

515
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: at the University of Mississippi, ending one chapter in the

516
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: federal government's efforts to desegregate the university. The town of

517
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Oxford is an armed can following riots that accompanied the

518
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: registration of the first Negro in the universities one year history.

519
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Much of this film record was destroyed when our cameraman,

520
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Gordon Jordry, was attacked, but he didn't salvage pictures of

521
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: Governor Ross Barnett at the sea. The governor thought the

522
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: court order long and middle fifty years ago, well, maybe

523
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: go back to about three. We wouldn't have been here

524
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, that's that's a given. And actually

525
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I was a child. I caught the tail in the

526
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: segregation and some of it's after math, and it wasn't

527
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: that pretty. It was humiliating, the humanizing, embarrassing, mortifying, and

528
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: every other superlative you can come up with. UM. So,

529
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: first off, I just want to say give a big

530
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 1: thank you for everyone who decided to come to our

531
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: tournament this year. We're really excited to have y'all here

532
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: and thank you for coming to the second annual Chucky

533
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Mullins Uh Spectacular Invitational. First, a few things, Uh, the

534
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: University of Mississippi does have a mask protocol. Here. We

535
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: have six rooms. With that being said, we're going to

536
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: start with the challenge order. So Rhodes A, who would

537
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: you like to challenge? We would like to talk okay?

538
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: And you see Knox, which side would you like to be? Okay?

539
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: And that leads us to delay day. Who would you

540
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: like to challenge? All right? Um? And which side of

541
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: the case would you like to be? All right? And

542
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: then you maybe okay? And which side of the case

543
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: would you want? Is our first time being back and

544
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: I just really missing people in real life, so we

545
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to introduce ourselves, you know, just

546
00:34:47,719 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: to get this is so this last time ago? So

547
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, ohiaya you got to Dylan Aversy, Yeah,

548
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: what's your name, Mackenzie Lily lilying it here. There have

549
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: been times when we went to competitions and as an

550
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: all black team when there are other black people within,

551
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: like all white teams, being all black team is gonna

552
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: stand down and those people are gonna gravitate to you. Naturally.

553
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: People will be like, you know, I've been trying to

554
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: be an attorney for the past, like um two competitions.

555
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I've been trying out, but you know, they've been kind

556
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: of just sticking me in this witness role. Or I'll

557
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: try to be an expert witness and they kind of

558
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: just want me to, you know, play the cook and

559
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: make it about like Southern style cooking or like soul

560
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: food cooking. You have people come up to us saying

561
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: like I'm being placed in this box. It's not what

562
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: we're noticing is, but what we're being told. If you

563
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: would buy your his close your eyes, praying your culture

564
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: as I do, and my Father God, we come to

565
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: you right now saying thank you, Father, thank you for

566
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: giving us this season, thank you for delivering us from

567
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: all sorts of hurt, harm, and dang Your Father, God,

568
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: we thank you for bringing us to this courthouse. We

569
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: thank you for this competition. We thank you for the

570
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: growth that we've had, the journey that we've been on.

571
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: We thank you Father God. But we're here now. Amen, Amen.

572
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: Glory kill kill kill blood makes the grass grow. Kill

573
00:36:48,520 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: kill kill blood makes grass Grassoula. With teams from all

574
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: over the South competing, the ole Miss courtrooms are positively

575
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: buzzing for Dillard. The action bounces from one courtroom to

576
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: the next. Team A is squaring off against ole Miss.

577
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, So you have limited experience in fraud

578
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: and that's because you failed the Certified Fraud Examiner accreditation.

579
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: Isn't that correct? Yes, but that credential wasn't necessary now,

580
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: just to clarify, to be a forensic financial investigator, you

581
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: have to have expert level of knowledge and fraud. Isn't

582
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: that right? Yes? But I also I did get the

583
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Certified Financial Forensics and I did that completing the exam

584
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: and doing our five thousand hours in the field. As

585
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, Thank you for that, But my question

586
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: was very specific. You failed the Certified Fraud Examiner test,

587
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: but you need expert level fraud knowledge to testify about fraud.

588
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Isn't that correct? This place I mentioned earlier that credential

589
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: wasn't necessary. Thank you. I have nothing for them. You're

590
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: being paid by the defense to be here today. Yes,

591
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: but that's the endered in my field, and in her

592
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: debut as a witness, Caitlyn Douglas is acting out the

593
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: role of the fire inspector, and your job was to

594
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: review Dr Webber's report. It was to review his investigation.

595
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: Is you also visited the scene, didn't you? But this

596
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: was three months after the fire had occurred, correct, That's correct,

597
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: And it actually made the scene a little better to

598
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: view because I was able to look at everything that

599
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: had transpired over a course of time. But within that

600
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: three months, alterations could have been down the hall. Dillard's

601
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: upper class members, La Jane and Amaya are already in

602
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: fighting form. May it please the court opposing counsel members

603
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: of the jury. These photos that I have in my hands,

604
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: and that were presented before you earlier in this trial,

605
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: show you exactly how beloved firefighter Jalen Williams died on

606
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: August one, two thousand twenty. The damages in these photos

607
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: show how the fire was started in the kitchen by

608
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: an accellert found in paint thinner. These damages show every

609
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: horrific dec I think it's important that there's a place

610
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: for lawyers that, you know, work with empathy, that sympathize

611
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: with their clients, that understand that there's more behind the story.

612
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: And I think whenever you get in that courtroom, it's

613
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: important that the person that's sitting at the defendant's table

614
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: that their story is portrayed in a way that that

615
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: makes the jury or the judge empathize or placed themselves

616
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: in their shoes. But what these photos can't show you

617
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: is the real damage that happened that night. You see,

618
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: when you go to breckon Ridge County Fire Department, you'll

619
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: find Jalen Williams locker empty. When you go to his home,

620
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: you'll see that his seat at the table is gone.

621
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: And when you talk to his parents, that's all you

622
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: how they'll never see his smiling face again. It was

623
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: easy for the defendant to forget that when she let

624
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: the match at Chuggy's, someone else's life could go up

625
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: in flames with it. It was easy for her to

626
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: forget because the only thing she was we're out trial today.

627
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: There was a story painted to you by the prosecution,

628
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: and I just want to go over that store. They

629
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: wanted to tell me the Dacode Sutcliffe walked around their

630
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: business and looked at everything They poured into it, pouring

631
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: into the lights for the business, having a new electrical

632
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: box installed, redoing the floor, revamping the bar, even opening

633
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: a patio area in a downstairs seating area. Decided to

634
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: open a can of paint dinner and spread it all

635
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: a way. And then after spreading that paint that or around.

636
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: They want you to believe that as she looked upon

637
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: this place, she decided to take a match and lighted.

638
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: Not only do they want you to believe that she

639
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: is the person who could have done this and that

640
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: she wanted her place to burn down, they want you

641
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: to believe that she would go to put it out.

642
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: She wanted this place burned down, but instead she went

643
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: to the firehouse to stop the fire. Ladies and gentlemen.

644
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: That is a story. There are three things that you

645
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: heard today from the prosecution. They talked about debt, They

646
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: talked about distress, and they talked about debt more than

647
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: the three elements they had to prove. But there's one

648
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: thing they left out, and that's doubt. Now let's talk

649
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: about that doubt that we see. It's in the back

650
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: of my head like this is the last, like this

651
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: is your last, like the first time you're getting in

652
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: the gate, for your last time of being on this team.

653
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: And of course that's always gonna like that's looming over

654
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: this whole entire competition, and you want to do your best,

655
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: of course, but I also want to be in the

656
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: moment and enjoy this competition. I don't want to be

657
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: so caught up in the competing aspect, like the competitive

658
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I want to also have fun, because my will should

659
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: be fun. It's so fun now when you go into

660
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: that jury room and you deliberate over the evidence that

661
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: you have saw today, and you see that doubt, You

662
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: see the very thing the prosecution has tried to pull

663
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: the roll over your eyes forlor and we asked that

664
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: you delivered the only just verdict, not just for Jamie

665
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: and Williams, but to CoA subclick, that you find a

666
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: coda subclick, not guilty, because the prosecution didn't do the

667
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: job for Jamie. Willis Day didn't wait smoke to clean. Hey,

668
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: that's right. The judges in both rooms give high praise

669
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: to the Dealer team. We had some good attorney exchanges.

670
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: Uh Anthony and uh watching what's your nay? Sorry, Okay,

671
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you get it occasionally an you all had

672
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: a really good get back and forth there on the witnesses.

673
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the witnesses. Make sure you keep eye contact

674
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: with the judges. Make sure you slow down. Some of

675
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: you speak really quickly. For us southern born lived people,

676
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't talk that fast, so just slow it

677
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: down a little bit. But I thought y'all did a

678
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: really good job. I think you're all doing quite well.

679
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: Opening for the prosecution was good. It would occurred to

680
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: me at that point in time that I kind of

681
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: wish we had jurors and and and there was a

682
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: moment where I thought about asking everybody go sit over there,

683
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: going to the prosecution's first witness, very vibrant witness. And

684
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: enjoyed that that was very strong cross examination. Oh, I

685
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: really like when you're you're I'm sorry, thank you, but

686
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: that's not exactly what I asked. Let me reward that question. No,

687
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: I love that. That was great. I mean, what a

688
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: great way to deal with an evasive witness. I was

689
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: I was very impressed with that. On the other hand,

690
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: impeachment with the affidavit didn't quite go as well as

691
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: you planned him. These these are little little tidbits on

692
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: top of the basic thing, which is you guys did

693
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: a great job. Good luck out your head. I just

694
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: need some He has to go get the boxes. Yeah.

695
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: The team spills out onto some of the couches in

696
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: the hallways while lunch boxes are passed around, memorizing stuff

697
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: for the next round. You want to do one run

698
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: through name, but I think I should tell you something

699
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: would The young lady who was the middleist turning, She

700
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: said she really used and how we were all black

701
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: and a team of color as attorneys, all black open

702
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: tip of post. She said, I liked how all your

703
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: attorneys were with it made her feel really empowered as

704
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: a woman. She said, I feel really intimidated by men

705
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: in this space, and just to see all all women

706
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: attorney team and especially women of color, and she said

707
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: it was really impactful. That's great, especially coming from pastball

708
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: to let me keep um. Caitlyn Douglas, I think, first

709
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: of all, I'm very proud of my team. All the

710
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: practice really showed up today and I think we got

711
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: a chance to work out some of those nerves between

712
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: leaving campus, congregating on the bus and then getting into

713
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: the hotels and kind of getting comfortable and settled. So

714
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of the outcomes. A Gene and DeAndre

715
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: have crossed me way harder and practice like they make

716
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: it to where you're prepared, and so I feel like

717
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: y'all are competing at the law school level. Comment. I

718
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: feel like it's because we have team members who who

719
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: push us, and that's important for somebody like me. But

720
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: their coaches are not about to let them get too overconfidence.

721
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: When you let that sit there and rest, you let

722
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: them set the tone for what's going on. They don't

723
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: your judge doesn't know your law. Your judge isn't judging out.

724
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: They're going like, okay, this is the state's bringing their case.

725
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: It's just how we're gonna go shut it down. Do

726
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: not respond back to the relevant issue on their grounds.

727
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: They have to prove that the purpose was too deep fraud.

728
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: If you burned down its own building and you ended

729
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: right there and you make them look stupid by letting

730
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: them know like you don't even know what and I

731
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: would walk all over them in the clothing. Well, everybody,

732
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: this this is the first round of the first tournament,

733
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: so there's always room for improvement. I thought something were

734
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: done very well. Some things were done okay, something needs

735
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: some work. I think that from a technical proficiency standpoint,

736
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: we did well. I thought you handled the objections well.

737
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: A lot of objections weren't made a lot from the

738
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: very first competition though I expected people to, you know,

739
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: just kind of let a little see how it goes well.

740
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: You know, you will come against teams that will be

741
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: well prepared, so especially at this this is this is

742
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: the first blush. It gets more interesting as we go overall.

743
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, I was I was not displeased with the performance,

744
00:47:41,560 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: because if I was, I would let you know. As

745
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: the tournament moves on to the second day, Dillard is

746
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: clearly stacking up the winds. This is de Andre. Yes,

747
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: I know what my team score is. I think everyone

748
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: will be pleased with the outcome. My team the you

749
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: know me, Caitlin. Everybody is six and old, meaning we

750
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: won both ballots for all three rounds. So it's amazing.

751
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: And you can feel the confidence and the focus coming

752
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: through from their team huddles. He's covered suspicion and Madox

753
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: just want to say that he spilled bad? Did he not? Y,

754
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: you're going to do that to you? Didn't really good? Um, Alex,

755
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: you did good. You were a little combative and you

756
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: know that. Um. They're gonna if y'all need to make

757
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: any comments, y'all, y'all focus on this men and latin.

758
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna practice this runs cross boy, which it's this one. Mother. Yeah,

759
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: you were hired by the SCRECT. You were hired to

760
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: review the record of Officer Robert Right, Yes, I will.

761
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: You would agree with me that Officer Webber made a

762
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: determination of the way beany made y'all. Yeah, I just

763
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: thought of something. They're saying, medics Diddy in medics field accelerate.

764
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: They can't say that the cause of the fire wasn't accelerant.

765
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: What do we do? What do we mentioned that inclosed? Yes,

766
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: I think we should go in earlier. I need to

767
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: share those documents. That would be the time now it's right.

768
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: So I read a really interesting clip about or about Lagene,

769
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: about your voice and the tenor the tone, the volume

770
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: and the at how that gets construct rude and how

771
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: there's a judgment that comes especially for women when it

772
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: comes to how we use our voice literally sometimes how

773
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: do you use your voice? So as a small anecdote,

774
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: I was in court one time with a judge and

775
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: this judge knew me very well, and I was cross

776
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: examining a defendant, as you guys know, is very rare

777
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: and criminal court because defendants usually don't take the stand,

778
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: but he did and I was cross examining him. And

779
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: it was just a probation violation hearing, so there was

780
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: no jury, It was just the judge, but it was

781
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: a packed court room and the judge because the public

782
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: defender objected and said that I was badgering the witness,

783
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: which was really the defendant, right, And the judge goes, ah,

784
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really going to sustain that, but misspaying,

785
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: I'd asked that you stay behind the podium because I

786
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 1: had come out from behind the podium to be able

787
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: to approach the witness box where the defendant was testifying.

788
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: So what I did was, because it wasn't bolted down,

789
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: I just took the podium with me. So I moved

790
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: the podium closer to the witness box and I looked

791
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: at the judge and I said, I'm still behind the podium, judge.

792
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: So my question for you logen A is do you

793
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: feel offended when it's brought to your attention that you

794
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: sound aggressive or does it just kind of water off

795
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: your back, because you know that part of that is

796
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: just it's perception, right, it's because you're a woman, maybe

797
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: because you're a woman of color and somebody has a

798
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: problem with how you're using your voice. That is an

799
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: excellent question, Katie, because when we talk about this so often,

800
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: I'll bring up a small anecdote to just kind of

801
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: like go into how I personally feel about it. At

802
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: a tournament, keep in mind, my counsel, it's all women,

803
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: and we're all black women, and I think at that

804
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: time every witness we had was also a woman too.

805
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: So there's these three female attorneys, black female attorneys, and

806
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: a Maya says this all the time. She's like watching it.

807
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: Is always gonna do her best when she's going up

808
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: against a white man, like that's what they were. And

809
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, I put my I put my poker face

810
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: on the whole time, you know, and I do what

811
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: I have to do. At the end of trial, one

812
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: of the opposing counsels, this young man, he comes up

813
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: to me, he shakes my hand really aggressively and says,

814
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: you're literally so scary. You are so scary, you know.

815
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to agree act too much to it.

816
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I hope I and on a bad way,

817
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: and he's like, um no, not really. It's just like

818
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: you were just really going after what you want. And

819
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: then he's like, they you just know too much, like

820
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: you just know a lie and that's just crazy. And

821
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so I might not supposed to know enough.

822
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: Maybe you need to know what I know. The comments come.

823
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: It's not gonna it's not my first comment like that,

824
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be my last. Those comments like that

825
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: we get all the time. You kind of just realize

826
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: it and you take it, and you very much take

827
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: it as a compliment, you know, because that's that's basically

828
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: what it is. They were threatened by you in some way,

829
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: shape or form. They weren't expecting you to give the

830
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: performance that you gave, so that that's them. That's all

831
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: on them. So yeah, it hurts in the moment, but

832
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: then you remember, but that's life, and I'm like, I'm

833
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna get this regardless, so I'm gonna keep doing what

834
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I still got a ten on that. On

835
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: whatever the part he said, I scared him, Matt, And

836
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: that's all that matters. A special element that was referenced

837
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: in that closing. Ladies and gentlemen, you heard today that

838
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: that very witness has no certification to be able to

839
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: examine fraud and to see if fraud was around in

840
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: any evidence they bought today. And even with that, they

841
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: got up on this stand and told you I saw

842
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: no evidence of fraud. I looked over alone statement, I

843
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: looked over a fire restaurants policy. I looked at every

844
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: single transaction of Chucky's, and I saw no fraud. Ladies

845
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, the fraud is an element in their case,

846
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: and they bought for a witness that disproves that element.

847
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: And last, but not least, they bought to you, Alex

848
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: Silva of berken Bridge County Firefighter and why we do

849
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: sympathizemy in a family of overall is great job, Mr Bella.

850
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: You're speaking rhythm is outstanding. If you never decided to

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Speaker 1: not go to law school, I think you could be

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Speaker 1: a preacher. I'm telling you, man, just your rhythm and

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Speaker 1: pacing is like outstanding, is an amazing and so if

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Speaker 1: you choose to not do law could find a vacation. Man,

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Speaker 1: I can't think of any other general comments. You know

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Speaker 1: you'll you'll think, did well, keep it up, keep up

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Speaker 1: the good work, and yeah, good luck the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season. Oh what school? It's prosecution from Dealer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm Troy Skipworth. I'm from the University of North Alabama

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Speaker 1: and Florence, Alabama. Dealer. Uh. The kids always come with

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Speaker 1: such joy. You can tell they enjoy what they do.

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Speaker 1: They enjoy being there, they enjoy the opportunity, and that

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Speaker 1: comes across on what they do, and so they're a

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Speaker 1: joy to judge in that sense. And so you don't

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Speaker 1: find that from all the teams, but they always bring

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Speaker 1: the energy. So I enjoy judging them. Everybody did Gray,

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Speaker 1: but I will call both of you out the two

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Speaker 1: in the end. My is that my ya? Is that right?

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Speaker 1: And then Ella, I think y'all were excellent overall. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: same thing. Clothing is very polished, like a good job,

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Speaker 1: the very job. They're mostly about intonation and where to

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Speaker 1: start vocally as they started left here or we don't

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Speaker 1: hear concerning the middle back on stuff think Peaks and

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Speaker 1: Valley's vocal intensity, because they're both very good pulp speakers.

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Speaker 1: But you just need to know where to start because

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Speaker 1: if you start all the way up here vocally like

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Speaker 1: whether it's with her tone, whether you're volume and thing

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Speaker 1: like God, the only place you can go down where

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Speaker 1: we start out here is up. So it kind of

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Speaker 1: started happy mediums. They have to room to flush weight

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Speaker 1: as we're all so, yeah, thank you, thank you, YEA

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Speaker 1: loved it in It's great. It's really enjoytle those seeing.

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Speaker 1: Seems like you all actually prepare and do stuff, flesh

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Speaker 1: out theories, flesh out character stuff like that. But the

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Speaker 1: thing is, seems like I'll make it worth it showing

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Speaker 1: up and actually being engaging, being entertaining stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: because we don't want to be bored to tears for

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Speaker 1: three hours. So thank you all for that. That was

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Speaker 1: really nice. The single let's pick a fark you in this.

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Speaker 1: We're done, that's what the the books, all right, come on,

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Speaker 1: let's go with that. As the tournament comes to a close,

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Speaker 1: all of the exhausted students pile into the auditorium for

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Speaker 1: the closing ceremonies and award announcements. You can actually breathe easy,

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Speaker 1: analyst competitions over with and it's time for closing, so

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Speaker 1: get excited. We actually had no eighteen ranks top attorneys,

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Speaker 1: so we go straight into nineteen with nineteen ranks from

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Speaker 1: Team the Conjuring Dillard A on the defense side, DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Bell also with nineteen ranks on the prosecution side from

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Speaker 1: Team Insidious Dillard B A Mayor Rondo, and finally we

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Speaker 1: had a perfect scoring attorney on the defense side, Dillard B.

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Speaker 1: We had two nineteen ranked witnesses they are actually both

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Speaker 1: from the same team on defense with nineteen rates from

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Speaker 1: Team Insidious Dillard B. It's sterling Ball and that second

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Speaker 1: ninth team ranked witness also won an attorney award from

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Speaker 1: Team and Citius Dillard B. Lajen A Shelter. We had

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Speaker 1: one witness who received a perfect score on the defense

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Speaker 1: side with twenty ranks from Dillard A, Caitlin Dougs. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to all of our top witnesses and our attorneys. Now

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Speaker 1: we're going to move on to the spirit of antil Lord.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It shows that you are a kind team,

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Speaker 1: that you care about others, that you people like to

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Speaker 1: work with you, and that you're just a good sport

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Speaker 1: so it's honestly my favorite award. I think it's the

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Speaker 1: best award to receive. We had one team receive it,

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Speaker 1: and that would be Dillard B. So at this tournament

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Speaker 1: we are giving out three team awards, but we do

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Speaker 1: have first and honorable mention that we'd like to announce

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Speaker 1: um with five and a half ballots, a CS of

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Speaker 1: thirteen and a half and a p D of twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: That is roadsby Friday the thirteen in third place, Diller

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Speaker 1: Day the Conjuring m and in second place, Road See

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Speaker 1: the Perch, and finally first place, the winner of this

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Speaker 1: year's second annual Chucky Mullin spook Tacular version of the

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Speaker 1: Invitational Poulter guys turn us out yet so regulated you yea,

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Speaker 1: so probably you don't. Yeah, I was so happy to

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really am surprised if we

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Speaker 1: had a top perform was all on the same thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But we want to teach the younger ones how we're

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Speaker 1: doing right, So we broke the team up and put

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Speaker 1: uh inexperienced people with the battles so they learned, like

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Speaker 1: even though we dropped those two ballots, like obviously more

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Speaker 1: working should be done. I love that I'm not upset about.

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Speaker 1: The two ballets were times because I can see where

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Speaker 1: you need to him fool and it's good that we

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Speaker 1: have We're having these moments early on because it's we're

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Speaker 1: getting to have a temperature, what's going on where we

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Speaker 1: need to fuck her energy. So this was great. It

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Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, but I'm gonna call my dad. He

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Speaker 1: deserves Yes, I am overjoyed. Admittedly, Now I do have

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Speaker 1: some reservations in terms of the last round. Y'all were

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Speaker 1: in there, so y'all kind of heard on what was

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Speaker 1: going on. I could have sworn the team could have

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Speaker 1: sworn that we were about to go in there and

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Speaker 1: take the first place trophy with a perfect score. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. We're looking at the ballots, especially revereing

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Speaker 1: them with Judge Reese. But all in all, Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: proud of the team. We all came with the mission

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Speaker 1: that that mission was to grow and we did just that.

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Speaker 1: Where you took them home, we got a five hour

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Speaker 1: ride in front of us, and we gotta stop and

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Speaker 1: get something to eat subways, so we'll probably get home

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Speaker 1: around midnight. And what happens tomorrow? Tomorrow they get a

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Speaker 1: day off and get ready for the next tournament, which

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Speaker 1: is in two weeks. Yes, your Honor, the plaintiff has

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Speaker 1: a few housekeeping matters to attend to. Firstly, would your

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Speaker 1: Honor like a courtesy copy of the plaintiff's notice of appearance? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't need one. Would your Honor like a brief

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Speaker 1: recitation of the facts for today's case? Not as a

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Speaker 1: housekeeping matter? Now? Additionally, your honor permission to have local

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Speaker 1: rules constructively ready into the record. Local rules do not

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Speaker 1: need to be ready into the record. That's next time

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