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Speaker 1: So Yes, Chris so Gabe.
Speaker 2: Today we're going to talk about a topic that is
Speaker 2: it's fraught, it's charged.
Speaker 1: We're talking about religion.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Before we dive in, I would like to
Speaker 2: know did you grow up in a religious household?
Speaker 3: Were you spiritual or religious at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's interesting because my mom wasn't very religious
Speaker 1: my grandmother was, but growing up in predominantly white neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: my mom thought that going to a black church would
Speaker 1: be a go way for us to build community, and
Speaker 1: so that's what we did. We would like drive almost
Speaker 1: an hour to the black part of town. But what
Speaker 1: happened was the kids were really nasty to my brother
Speaker 1: and I. They teased us a lot at about like
Speaker 1: I don't know, twelve or thirteen. I just like begged
Speaker 1: my mom, please do not make me go back. These
Speaker 1: kids are really really terrible. Yeah. I hated it.
Speaker 2: I hate because it felt like I was going to
Speaker 2: something that my parents wanted to go to to like
Speaker 2: try to fix something in their life.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm good. So this is a
Speaker 3: bit of my my lore.
Speaker 1: You don't know.
Speaker 2: I used to read at church. Oh, from the ages
Speaker 2: of ten to fourteen, my parents made me read at church.
Speaker 2: So like they were like, how do we channel this,
Speaker 2: Like obviously faggy child's energy towards something that we so
Speaker 2: they were like, get up on stage, great idea. So
Speaker 2: I'd be like reading from first Philippians like seek not
Speaker 2: Shelter from you.
Speaker 3: It was not I just made that up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's real.
Speaker 3: And then it was in Spanish, so.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh yeah, this is a whole nother layer.
Speaker 2: Whatever, you know what I mean. It was like really bad, insane.
Speaker 2: So that was my life for a while. And obviously
Speaker 2: all the old ladies flocked to the faggy child who
Speaker 2: would read a church and I'd be like, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be such a great young young man when you grow up,
Speaker 2: and you're going to marry a beautiful wife.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, we're.
Speaker 2: Not, okay, we aren't seeing ida yea very like gentle indoctrination.
Speaker 3: You're so talented and handsome and straight, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right. It is no secret that being raised in
Speaker 1: religious communities or households that have negative views on sexuality
Speaker 1: can impact queer kids in dramatic ways as we grow up,
Speaker 1: and for.
Speaker 2: Those of us who know this experience, we know it
Speaker 2: can sometimes take a really long time, sometimes years, to
Speaker 2: recover from these harmful teachings, leading to a string from
Speaker 2: those who claim to love us the most.
Speaker 1: It can change our fundamental relationship to religion and force
Speaker 1: us to question whether we want to worship a god
Speaker 1: who we've been told doesn't like our very existence.
Speaker 2: Many of our guests over the past three seasons have
Speaker 2: been people who have used their queer adulthood to prepare
Speaker 2: their trauma and embrace their sexuality. But our guest today
Speaker 2: is taking it one step further. They're forming a new church,
Speaker 2: a hoe Church spelled hgaux, and they're here today to
Speaker 2: spread the gospel.
Speaker 1: Our guest today, Brandon Kyle Goodman, is a writer, actor, host,
Speaker 1: and sexual and mental wellness advocate, best known for their
Speaker 1: work on netflix Immy nominated comedy series Big Mouth, and
Speaker 1: it's been off Human Resources as well as Amazon's Modern
Speaker 1: Love and ABC's Avid Elementary.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, Brandan Kyle Goodman launched their incredible
Speaker 2: podcast tell Me Something Messy on our very own iHeart Network.
Speaker 1: And now they're undertaking their biggest endeavor yet, making their
Speaker 1: off Broadway debut and their original one person show, Hoe Church,
Speaker 1: a celebration of self love that features spirited storytelling, divine music,
Speaker 1: and all things holy to heal the parts of ourselves
Speaker 1: that shame tries the erase.
Speaker 2: Presented in association with Lena Waithe. The Hoe Church is
Speaker 2: open now through November eighth, at ars Nova in New
Speaker 2: York City.
Speaker 1: Absolutely go please.
Speaker 2: Tickets are available at ars Nova NYC dot com.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Nippy's Cruising Confessions, The Honorable Revenue in the making.
Speaker 2: Brandon Kyle Goodman, Hi, how are you Ho Seminary Ben,
Speaker 2: it's been sexy.
Speaker 3: Thank you for bringing your ministry to the heathens.
Speaker 1: Of New York. Oh my god, my pleasure, my absolute pleasure.
Speaker 2: So now, without telling us too much, we're giving away
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: What exactly is Ho Church?
Speaker 3: How did it come about?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: My goodness, what is it? Well, it's my it's my baby,
Speaker 4: my brain child. I like to describe it as Pee
Speaker 4: Wee's Playhouse meets Doctor Ruth with a sprinkle or a
Speaker 4: dash of Wendy Williams if you will.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, like haven't seen the show? That is a
Speaker 1: perfect description.
Speaker 4: We call it like the sex education for adults, but
Speaker 4: in the framework of children's shows, using that nostalgia of
Speaker 4: learning or Sunday school to talk about the things that
Speaker 4: we do not talk about, which is our bodies, our desires,
Speaker 4: our love, and our families and our trauma, but in
Speaker 4: a way that feels safe, relatable.
Speaker 3: I love the Doctor Ruth comp sustainable and watch her
Speaker 3: on the Oxygen.
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Speaker 2: What a great comp right, because I think we are
Speaker 2: kind of lacking figures like that. It's really hard to
Speaker 2: find resources as an adult or even a young adult
Speaker 2: these days to talk honestly and without shame about sex, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the key is like how do you
Speaker 4: talk about these things without feeling shame? Like I think
Speaker 4: doctor Ruth was. It felt comforting because she was like
Speaker 4: a grandmother and you talk about these nasty things and
Speaker 4: she was always like uh huh, and you do this
Speaker 4: and you do that. It's like, oh yeah, that energy
Speaker 4: where if the person receiving it isn't like, oh scandal,
Speaker 4: then you w on the receiving end also get to
Speaker 4: be like, oh Okay, this isn't this isn't a big deal.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not alone, I'm normal, and we all want
Speaker 4: to feel normal.
Speaker 1: I would love to know what your definition of a
Speaker 1: hoe is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I spell it h gau X
Speaker 4: and I say it's the bougie, it's upgrade. But I
Speaker 4: define a hoe as someone who commits to the liberation
Speaker 4: of themselves and others by thoughtfully interrogating their relationship to
Speaker 4: sex using curiosity, communication and compassion.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the three c's, the three c's.
Speaker 2: Well, how did you go about kind of developing this
Speaker 2: this working definition? What was it in your life that
Speaker 2: kind of helped you hone in on this?
Speaker 4: Well, I wrote on Big Mouth for a while, and
Speaker 4: then the pandemic happened, and I'm still working on the show,
Speaker 4: and I ended up becoming one of the people talking
Speaker 4: about race and identity and intersectionality, which you know, I
Speaker 4: was very grateful to be able to have my platform
Speaker 4: to do that, but also, like I like telling dick jokes,
Speaker 4: I missed that part of my life. So I went
Speaker 4: on my stories and I said, tell me something good,
Speaker 4: tell me something messy, And of course people were at
Speaker 4: home and they were horning us up, and so everything
Speaker 4: that I was getting was about sex. And then this
Speaker 4: working definition of a hoe came up, and then I
Speaker 4: was starting to explore my own hoe festivities if you will, okay,
Speaker 4: And then it was just like talking about it and
Speaker 4: sharing it, because you know, when we share about a thing,
Speaker 4: the shame goes away. So then it just started it
Speaker 4: started to take office, like this messy Monday's brand and
Speaker 4: messy pose and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I love mess.
Speaker 6: I love mess Murray Condo.
Speaker 1: I actively engage in mess sometimes. I do say this.
Speaker 4: Difference between messy and sloppy messy were not sloppy. MESSI
Speaker 4: is human like just like perfectionism is a fallacy. So
Speaker 4: being messy like going through life, like figuring things out.
Speaker 6: You might function up, but that is.
Speaker 1: Part of it, you know.
Speaker 6: But sloppy is like, that's a different girl.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 7: Love it.
Speaker 6: Therapy love readable.
Speaker 3: I do you feel like MESSI is natural? Sloppy is intentional, right.
Speaker 1: That is it?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly So for our listeners, what does the
Speaker 2: whole church look like?
Speaker 3: Like I'm walking in for the first time to mass
Speaker 3: What am I seeing?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the designers Launce Emote in the third
Speaker 4: and civo Ark Nosey and Matt Lazarus, who are set
Speaker 4: projections and lighting design just really teamed up to build
Speaker 4: a fucking church. So when you walk in, it looks
Speaker 4: like a church. But the archways are modeled after volvas,
Speaker 4: and if you look on the floor there are volvas,
Speaker 4: and my like runway is.
Speaker 6: A penis and the stained class windows are penises.
Speaker 1: But I also wanted.
Speaker 6: It to feel like it could be architectural digest like.
Speaker 1: That was the thing we wanted.
Speaker 4: Wanted to feel like something You look at me like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's actually beautiful, and then when you look a little closer,
Speaker 4: you're like, and that's a penis.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The hope is that it immediately makes you feel joy,
Speaker 4: the same way that when you saw Pee Wee Set,
Speaker 4: or you see Sesame Street immediately go, oh my god,
Speaker 4: that's I want to be there.
Speaker 1: I want to touch everything. Speaking of Pee Wee and
Speaker 1: Sesame Street, there are puppets, are there? There are puppets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love puppets. We love puppetry.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Greg Corbino, who's our puppet designer and puppeteer, is just
Speaker 4: a genius and we've been working with him from the
Speaker 4: inception of the show. The first puppets that we had
Speaker 4: were Pussy Puppet and but Whole aka Pussy Pussy is
Speaker 4: modeled after Earth the Kits, so she has a very
Speaker 4: like Darling but hold a model after Beaker, so he
Speaker 4: doesn't really.
Speaker 1: Love that.
Speaker 4: And then Floppy, who is our emotional penis who can
Speaker 4: only get hard when he's emotionally connected, so there's.
Speaker 1: Room for floppy to grow.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean there is something kind of inherently
Speaker 2: phallic about church symbology. I feel like the Catholics love
Speaker 2: a like hard dick hidden somewhere in their imagery.
Speaker 3: We got the columns. Jesus on the cross is carrying it.
Speaker 1: He's grunted.
Speaker 6: Jesus is always hot, like always bodied.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering why who is painting Jesus for all
Speaker 2: those years?
Speaker 1: Yea, all those gates. I'm something exactly.
Speaker 7: That was.
Speaker 2: Yes, from Michaelangelo to you direct connection.
Speaker 3: Now in the show, you use.
Speaker 2: Your own experiences to kind of share why you founded
Speaker 2: a new church that celebrates host So let's dive in.
Speaker 2: Could you tell us a bit about your experience with
Speaker 2: organized religion growing up and how that kind of impacted
Speaker 2: your sense of spirituality and identity today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the show starts with me sharing that
Speaker 4: I'm a PK, a pastor's kid. So my grandmother was
Speaker 4: a minister, So I grew up in the church. My
Speaker 4: mom and grandmother and I all live together, and so
Speaker 4: I was just replacing my mom as the p K.
Speaker 4: I was in church every Sunday, I was you know,
Speaker 4: Bible studies, and then my mom was often exploring other
Speaker 4: things outside of Christianity, and so in my teenage years
Speaker 4: I started hanging out with her, and so we were
Speaker 4: going to like metaphysical church, Unity Church of New York.
Speaker 1: But then we also did like Buddhism.
Speaker 4: We did Ancient Egyptian ideology, we did the Secret we
Speaker 4: did like just she was like always bouncing around, always searching,
Speaker 4: and so my spiritual background was kind of started with Christianity,
Speaker 4: but then also got exposed to all these other things.
Speaker 4: And so I just had a fascination with religion and
Speaker 4: people's ways of worship. When I was in my twenties
Speaker 4: early twenties, my mom became born again after my grandmother
Speaker 4: passed away, and so then.
Speaker 6: My mom went right back to the church and harder
Speaker 6: way than my grandma.
Speaker 4: My grandmother was dope actually, like she was like Jesus
Speaker 4: was king, but like she wasn't like fire and brimstone,
Speaker 4: And for some reason, my mom's return to church became
Speaker 4: very fire and brimstone, and so that preated a rupture
Speaker 4: between us, and so we haven't spoken in about fifteen years.
Speaker 4: It really forced me to like rebuild my own church
Speaker 4: for myself. I think what was interesting to me is
Speaker 4: that my mom tried to get me to go back
Speaker 4: to this thing, but I was already raised, like she'd
Speaker 4: already raised.
Speaker 1: A very kind of open minded person.
Speaker 4: She'd already taken me through all these different things, and
Speaker 4: so it was hard to put the girl back in
Speaker 4: a box, you know. And so yeah, with that, with
Speaker 4: that relationship severed, I just started to ask more intentional
Speaker 4: questions about like what is belief, what is spirituality?
Speaker 1: What is it to me?
Speaker 6: What do I want it to be? Who is God?
Speaker 1: And so all of.
Speaker 4: That exists inside of who Church, which is really just
Speaker 4: asking the audience to critically think for themselves what works
Speaker 4: for you?
Speaker 1: What do you want?
Speaker 4: Just because you were told one thing doesn't mean it's true.
Speaker 4: I'm I use a Walt Whitman quote in the show,
Speaker 4: re examine all you've been told in school or in church,
Speaker 4: in any book, and dismiss whatever insults your own soul.
Speaker 6: And so that to me is like the anchor of
Speaker 6: the show, like, just re examine it.
Speaker 4: If you like it, you like it, but if you don't,
Speaker 4: you get to say, oh, I don't actually like this,
Speaker 4: this actually don't work for me.
Speaker 1: Let me go find something else. Were you close with
Speaker 1: your mom and your grandmother and when you came out,
Speaker 1: and what did that process look like.
Speaker 4: When I came out, I was like twenty. My grandmother
Speaker 4: that point was in the nursing home. I never actually
Speaker 4: came out to my grandmother, but my mom, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: did come out to her. We were very close and
Speaker 4: we remained close after I came out. Then after Grandma died,
Speaker 4: that's when it flipped. So that's what made it jarring,
Speaker 4: is that, like her flip happened at my apartment that
Speaker 4: I lived with my boyfriend. So she like came over
Speaker 4: to the apartment that she'd been too many times to
Speaker 4: like read me Bible verses.
Speaker 1: It said my life was a sin and so you're
Speaker 1: just like okay, and the Bible verses are she found.
Speaker 3: She found the good one and.
Speaker 2: I guess has opinions on shrimp, has opinions on core people,
Speaker 2: has opinions opinion.
Speaker 3: She was spiraling one night and I don't like any
Speaker 3: of this is a crash.
Speaker 2: She went to a red lobster and an it she
Speaker 2: sweater and had a mean gay server.
Speaker 1: That's what happened.
Speaker 4: And there are like three solid verses that she she
Speaker 4: read to me all from like Corinthians, Liviticus, and the
Speaker 4: first Book of Timothy. And it was just like, oh
Speaker 4: ship in the moment, I mean, if I can go
Speaker 4: back to that time, there's like a disassociating because there's
Speaker 4: true confusion, Like you know, the first one, I was
Speaker 4: truly like, okay, cool, great, yeah for sure, the sexually
Speaker 4: immoral and all learners, yeah whatever. And the second one
Speaker 4: was limited kiss and it's like a man lays with
Speaker 4: a mail, they should be put to death, and you're like, uh.
Speaker 6: Huh, so wait, tell me what this is about.
Speaker 4: By that last one, I was like, Oh, all the
Speaker 4: dots are putting together. We put our parents and our
Speaker 4: families and pedestals. Yes, and so especially I think as
Speaker 4: an only child with a single mom, that's my world,
Speaker 4: Like that's my constellation. Naturally, I'll do anything to not
Speaker 4: fuck up the stars. So my brain is telling me
Speaker 4: everything else besides like oh no, this is homophobia that's
Speaker 4: happening in front of your face. And so it was
Speaker 4: pretty devastating. Once I like put it together, and yeah,
Speaker 4: we've never been the same since.
Speaker 2: Obviously we end up talking about religion with so many guests,
Speaker 2: just by virtue of the fact that we ask them
Speaker 2: about their coming out, and a lot of people will
Speaker 2: often point to, like, religious parents, we're sort of religious
Speaker 2: trauma growing up surrounding that. It's just so tough to hear, right,
Speaker 2: that you like somebody you love and that your whole
Speaker 2: world revolves around is just like, Okay, well I read
Speaker 2: these things written thousands of years ago and then edited
Speaker 2: by a bunch of old, rich guys one hundred years
Speaker 2: after that, and so it's like it can be heartbreaking
Speaker 2: to see somebody put more stock in text than ye built.
Speaker 4: That is the heartbreaking part. The heartbreaking part is that like,
Speaker 4: I'm here, I'm right in front of you. This is
Speaker 4: a book, and it's a valuable book and a holy book,
Speaker 4: but like.
Speaker 6: It doesn't have to do anything with what's happening right here.
Speaker 4: It's hard to compute, it's hard to process because it's like, well,
Speaker 4: we've had at that point twenty years together. Why wouldn't
Speaker 4: you go, oh, this doesn't make sense because I'm in
Speaker 4: front of this person, right, But instead you're going, oh,
Speaker 4: you don't make sense.
Speaker 1: It's a betrayal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a betrayal because you know, family
Speaker 4: is supposed to be where you are you're safest, and
Speaker 4: when that doesn't happen, it's a death, it's a it's
Speaker 4: a grieving that you have to go through that you
Speaker 4: don't even realize is a grief because when you say
Speaker 4: it's like my mom, like my mother isn't dead to me,
Speaker 4: Like that's not the thing, but it's like, oh, this
Speaker 4: relationship has died, Like even if we were to reunite,
Speaker 4: it has.
Speaker 1: To be a different relationship. Same, like this version of
Speaker 1: us is gone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's devastating because I loved that version, but
Speaker 4: I also multiple truths get to co exist. I also
Speaker 4: realized that that version wasn't actually real because I wasn't
Speaker 4: able to be my full self and so that version
Speaker 4: hinged on an authentic version of me or withholding right,
Speaker 4: we haven't actually had a real relationship yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why I felt with my mom for
Speaker 3: so long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh, we don't really know, we
Speaker 2: don't really know what I feel like I got into
Speaker 2: my late twenties before we spoke to each other honestly, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4: We have ideas of each other or you have an
Speaker 4: idea of me. And that's also like a very Caribbean
Speaker 4: where like it's not allowing your child to become an
Speaker 4: adult to keep them in that child box. That's a
Speaker 4: level of control that like I think we should examine
Speaker 4: and we should like pull a thread at it again.
Speaker 4: If you choose it beautiful, but also some of us
Speaker 4: are choosing it by default as opposed to really intentionally
Speaker 4: be like.
Speaker 6: Is this okay? Is this the type of dynamic I
Speaker 6: want to be itt.
Speaker 2: Were you raised in a particular denomination of Christianity or
Speaker 2: was it one of those kind of open turns.
Speaker 4: No, it was some Moravian, which is a Moravian which
Speaker 4: is like Protestant.
Speaker 6: Get this wrong, but it might be like Swedish or
Speaker 6: some shit. It came to Trinidad, Oh wow.
Speaker 4: What our churches were Black and Caribbean, which is also
Speaker 4: interesting because it came to the islands obviously colonization, and
Speaker 4: it was something that the culture took into the States
Speaker 4: because my grandma's church was here in Brooklyn. You know,
Speaker 4: Caribbean is like wild you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 4: Calypso and we are very like in.
Speaker 6: This church, just pulled together ways quiet.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just like interesting to be like that's not culturally
Speaker 4: yours and yet it's what we have held on to.
Speaker 6: And if you trace that back, why is.
Speaker 4: That now our culture when like homosexuality for example, like
Speaker 4: you know, Caribbeans famously do not fucks with homosexuals, right,
Speaker 4: But then if you like go back and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: but in African cultures, homosexuals were there, trans folks were there.
Speaker 4: We were not homophobic, we weren't transphobic that hours, and
Speaker 4: yet we've adopted it.
Speaker 6: How do we shake that?
Speaker 4: And also how devastating that is that we've adopted these
Speaker 4: things that actually don't belong to us, and we're used
Speaker 4: against us and now we use against.
Speaker 1: Our own Yeah, and we're like really set fast in
Speaker 1: that too. Yes, why are we holding onto this because
Speaker 1: we're scared? Scared? No, yeah, we don't know any other way.
Speaker 4: And also, there is a powerlessness that we have as humans,
Speaker 4: and there are these things that allow us to feel
Speaker 4: our power. It's a false sense of power. But I
Speaker 4: understand why you're homophobic. I'm not excusing it, but it's
Speaker 4: like it makes you feel your power and all you
Speaker 4: want is to feel like, oh, I have some control
Speaker 4: over this. So if I can tell you that you're
Speaker 4: wrong or you're bad. That gives me a fake boost,
Speaker 4: but a boost Nonetheless. My mom was a theater actress,
Speaker 4: so like a lot of my godparents are gay, I
Speaker 4: grew up around gays. But she's also Caribbean, so that
Speaker 4: homophobia was there. When your mother passes away my grandmother,
Speaker 4: you lose control and so you're looking for control in
Speaker 4: any way you can.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm working for some power.
Speaker 6: How do I get that back?
Speaker 4: I can't bring my mother back, and so I can
Speaker 4: control my child's sexual orientation. I couldn't understand it then,
Speaker 4: but fifteen years in retrospect to go, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 4: were just trying to find yourself again, find your footing,
Speaker 4: and you didn't go to therapy.
Speaker 1: So you know, what is it like for you to
Speaker 1: sit on that stage and to be sharing this thing
Speaker 1: that still feels like an open wound. Yeah, on stage
Speaker 1: in front of an audience of people.
Speaker 4: It feels necessary and not for me, but because I
Speaker 4: know other people have similar stories and kind of feel
Speaker 4: like how I felt fifteen years ago, which is like
Speaker 4: the world is over and I will never be able
Speaker 4: to come back from this, and so it feels necessary
Speaker 4: to say it because it's like you will come back
Speaker 4: like look, we're in Ho church, like, yeah, here, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So it feels I don't want
Speaker 4: to say it feels good, doesn't feel bad. It just
Speaker 4: feels necessary. It feels like this is important. It's important
Speaker 4: for me. I'm asking you to be vulnerable. Let me
Speaker 4: be vulnerable with you, and this is probably the most
Speaker 4: vulnerable thing I can.
Speaker 1: Share with you. All right, when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to step inside the Hoe church and learn some
Speaker 1: of the teachings of Pastor Goodman so that we can
Speaker 1: become even better Hoes. Is that Is that possible?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to say, let's get in touch with
Speaker 2: the body of Christ.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Now that Brandon has taken us to church, it is
Speaker 2: time to do as Florida Governor's time immemorial have.
Speaker 3: Have accused us of doing. We're gonna indoctrinate you all
Speaker 3: the whole church, all right.
Speaker 2: In this act, we're going to hear some of the
Speaker 2: commandments you should follow to be the best Hoe that
Speaker 2: you can be. So, without giving away the entire show,
Speaker 2: I'm curious, how does a ho church start instructing its
Speaker 2: parishioners to have better sex? What are some kind of
Speaker 2: crucial teachings or places where you're you're starting from the first.
Speaker 4: The biggest thing is that it starts with you, right
Speaker 4: that when we think about sex, we always think about
Speaker 4: the other partner or the other person, and it's really
Speaker 4: about like, well, what do you want? What are your
Speaker 4: desires that you can communicate. That's why I say it's
Speaker 4: like gently interrogating your relationship ship, what's your relationship to it,
Speaker 4: and being able to be brave enough to say what
Speaker 4: you want.
Speaker 6: I give an acronym the show called BEMA.
Speaker 4: Which I've written about, so it's not a giveaway, but
Speaker 4: BEMA is a way to help you identify your turn ons,
Speaker 4: body environment, moods. So it's like, where in your body
Speaker 4: do you want to be touched, kissed, licked? So like
Speaker 4: I like my nipples sucked. I like my neck kissed.
Speaker 4: Environment where do you like to have sex? Like it
Speaker 4: in the kitchen. I like it, in the bedroom, I
Speaker 4: like it in you know, the park? Mood is like
Speaker 4: how are you sitting the vibe? I need a candle,
Speaker 4: I need clean sheets, I need cookies.
Speaker 1: Do I like work specific cookie?
Speaker 6: I like a Choco cookie for aftercare?
Speaker 4: Like you because after you when you come, if you
Speaker 4: have yourself a nice little sweet after baby changes your life.
Speaker 6: And then like what are the props that you need
Speaker 6: for play or the accessory so lingerie.
Speaker 4: Lube, lubelube, yeah, you know, cock rings, like because when
Speaker 4: people say what turns them on or like what are
Speaker 4: you into, it's like I'm into blowjobs and like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's fine, but like give me more specifics. I say,
Speaker 4: like put that acronym in your like your notesap and
Speaker 4: as you discover things, just add it to the list.
Speaker 4: Oh I like that, or I don't like that, or
Speaker 4: oh I fucked in Central Park.
Speaker 1: And I really love that. Add that to your environment.
Speaker 4: Or I smelled this like lavender Vanella candle and that
Speaker 4: really did something for me. Write that under mood just
Speaker 4: a way to start to know who.
Speaker 1: The fuck you are.
Speaker 4: Otherwise you just like let it go happen to chance,
Speaker 4: and I think that that ends up having worse sex
Speaker 4: because you're not able to curate. I think being a
Speaker 4: hoe is about curating the vibe that you want, curating
Speaker 4: the kind of sex that you want, as opposed to
Speaker 4: just letting sex happen to you.
Speaker 1: Because we're too old for that, too grown I'm not
Speaker 1: having bad sex.
Speaker 6: I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: It's a waste of ceber.
Speaker 6: If I'm douching for as long as i'm doing talk
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 4: You think I'm douching to come fuck for two minutes
Speaker 4: and your fuck is girl again, you're a stairwells ye
Speaker 4: what love?
Speaker 1: Get out of here with overhead lighting overhead and.
Speaker 6: Not even a nice little rug on the stairs, steel.
Speaker 1: In the corner, we're doing it.
Speaker 6: I'm out, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm oh, I fuck somebody. His apartment was the dirtiest
Speaker 4: thing I've ever seen. Like I do say in the show,
Speaker 4: I lost my clothes, like because he took my clothes off,
Speaker 4: and then after I like literally couldn't find it, like
Speaker 4: literally hat But when I was leaving, I fully saw
Speaker 4: a mouse run across to his ship, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I'll never be here yet. I asked for something to drink,
Speaker 4: like water, and all they had was like kool aid,
Speaker 4: like red kool aid.
Speaker 6: It was like it was.
Speaker 1: It was wild.
Speaker 6: It was wild, but but it was also very good.
Speaker 3: Dick, it's always the messy. It's the ones with a
Speaker 3: messy that's the thing.
Speaker 6: You know, when it's messy, the dick is probably gonna.
Speaker 3: Hit well, Okay, actually it sounds like that apartment was sloppy.
Speaker 1: No, I'm messy. That apartment was slopped, right, it was sloppy.
Speaker 2: So we've talked a bit about kind of embarrassing maybe
Speaker 2: sexual forays. Okay, but as you are discovering your own
Speaker 2: holy word and path, how did you deal with any
Speaker 2: sexual shame that you might have held onto growing up
Speaker 2: as you sort of became more independent, more confident in
Speaker 2: your beama approach to sex.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's my community, or you know, I
Speaker 4: call them my hommunity.
Speaker 1: That's what the point of home Church is.
Speaker 4: I say, like, being in safe spaces with supportive people
Speaker 4: talking about sex signals to yourself that you are not
Speaker 4: alone and you're not to be ashamed of and that
Speaker 4: you matter. And so it was my friends and being
Speaker 4: able to have these conversations and like, what.
Speaker 1: Did you do last night?
Speaker 4: I have some nasty friends, Like I'm not the biggest
Speaker 4: hoe in my group, and to like to hear it
Speaker 4: and to like receive it and to like share and
Speaker 4: to like learn from each other makes you go, okay,
Speaker 4: like this is normal. It's people telling us that we're
Speaker 4: not normal people. Who are repressed on their own terms,
Speaker 4: and it's like mm hmm. Everybody wants to be out,
Speaker 4: and the more they protest that they don't they do,
Speaker 4: it's like the more they're trying to control you. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you want you want to be free, because really being
Speaker 4: a ho is on a about fucking.
Speaker 6: It's about freedom.
Speaker 4: It's about freedom to use your body and have sex
Speaker 4: in the way that feels good to you. If that's
Speaker 4: with everybody, if that's with one person, if that's every day,
Speaker 4: if that's once a month, that's up to you. But
Speaker 4: it's like the freedom to choose what you want to
Speaker 4: do is what I think AHA is and that triggers
Speaker 4: the fuck out of people. I mean, that's why the
Speaker 4: trans community continues to be under attack. It's because you're
Speaker 4: watching people be free, You're watching them choose to be
Speaker 4: who the fuck they want to be, and there are
Speaker 4: people who are.
Speaker 1: Very upset by that. Liberation is scary for it, it's.
Speaker 3: Terrifying, well, especially for organized institutions like the church.
Speaker 6: Who need the control. Who needs you to be afraid?
Speaker 4: I'm always like church is beautiful, but like if you
Speaker 4: were in a church where the person on the pulpit
Speaker 4: is telling you that their word is law. Something's off here,
Speaker 4: somebody that's translating something and giving you space to critically
Speaker 4: think beautiful, but like you are both the shepherd and
Speaker 4: the sheep, not just the sheep. So like that energy
Speaker 4: of like just defer to somebody, and usually it's a man.
Speaker 1: Nah, babe.
Speaker 4: They don't know what they do and they like the control,
Speaker 4: and you got to get from under that thumb.
Speaker 1: What is the most religious part of sex for you?
Speaker 4: There's so many parts of it that are incredibly religious
Speaker 4: or spiritual. Perhaps religious, I would say in terms of
Speaker 4: like ritual, the most religious part of it for me
Speaker 4: is choice and really honoring when I want to have
Speaker 4: it and when I don't want to have it, and
Speaker 4: I feel like this gays where you're like, I should
Speaker 4: be having more sex because you see your friends having
Speaker 4: sex and you're like I should want and I'm like, baby,
Speaker 4: I'm really not horny like that, and like being able
Speaker 4: to say okay, cool, like I don't so like that.
Speaker 4: And part of religion, I would say, it's like choice
Speaker 4: and not feeling like I need to be something that
Speaker 4: I'm not. The spiritual part of it, I think is
Speaker 4: connection and it can be to another person but also
Speaker 4: to myself. And this could also be through a glory
Speaker 4: whole or through actual like love making fuel. But it's
Speaker 4: making sure that there is connection that at the very
Speaker 4: least I'm connected to myself, Like I can take thirty
Speaker 4: five loads if I want, but I'm connected to it.
Speaker 4: I know that I'm making that choice act presently intentionally,
Speaker 4: not just trying to escape something or hide from something.
Speaker 4: So that's the spiritual part, is how do you connect
Speaker 4: to yourself inside of sex with yourself or sex with others.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had some guests who I guess would
Speaker 2: engage in what some would call more extreme sexual activities,
Speaker 2: whether you're pushing your body to its limits in like
Speaker 2: a physical way or a sort of endurance way, but
Speaker 2: some of them do talk about how you kind of
Speaker 2: almost reach a meditative state after something like that, And
Speaker 2: so I think it's so interesting how people kind of
Speaker 2: find clarity find that then, like for some people it's
Speaker 2: walking on the woods, for some people it's prayer, for
Speaker 2: some people it is taking thirty five low. It's like,
Speaker 2: and that's so interesting to me because it's like that
Speaker 2: kind of self discovery takes work.
Speaker 3: So to get to that place to be.
Speaker 2: Like, what is my spirituality, what is my meditation, what's
Speaker 2: my ritual, my belief system?
Speaker 6: And your body is a temple?
Speaker 4: Right, And so sex again, whether it's you masturbating by
Speaker 4: yourself or with the person or with a group, is
Speaker 4: you engaging with your body and learning what your body
Speaker 4: likes and also what it may not like. And this
Speaker 4: all you have is this. So there's nothing more spiritual
Speaker 4: than getting to know what brings it pleasure, what it likes,
Speaker 4: what it doesn't like, so that you can give it
Speaker 4: more of it, what it wants, and make sure you
Speaker 4: keep it away from what it doesn't want. Like that
Speaker 4: that is empowering, that's emboldening, and that is spiritual. And
Speaker 4: most people walking around do not know what turns them on.
Speaker 1: They don't know if.
Speaker 4: Like when people go I don't like, oh yeah, then
Speaker 4: you're really not connected to yourself. If you can't tell
Speaker 4: me if you like your nipples played with or not,
Speaker 4: then like you haven't even done that to know if
Speaker 4: this feels good? Oh interesting, yeah right right, And not
Speaker 4: a judgment, but it's like, oh, you're so you're so
Speaker 4: removed from yourself that you haven't even tried to see.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you got to get fisted to know,
Speaker 4: like whatever. Some things might be like I'm not doing that,
Speaker 4: but there are basic things that are like when you
Speaker 4: touch me like this, that feels good, When you touch
Speaker 4: me like that that feels good, or I don't like that.
Speaker 4: Those basics we should all know that, we should all
Speaker 4: be curious about that.
Speaker 2: So touch yourselves, touch yourself right in that wild how
Speaker 2: so much of religion is like, don't touch yourself. So
Speaker 2: many conservative religions, right, don't touch yourself, don't ever, don't
Speaker 2: ever engage, yeah, with pleasure or your body.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I mean you see the way they
Speaker 1: dance period read that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had a woman come to the show and afterwards
Speaker 4: she said she was She's a forty year old version
Speaker 4: and self proclaimed church girl. He said to me, I
Speaker 4: realized after watching this show, like, what if the shame
Speaker 4: wasn't mine? What if this shame of having sex.
Speaker 1: Was given to me? It's like.
Speaker 4: You're given that shamean so then you don't explore yourself,
Speaker 4: you don't touch yourself.
Speaker 1: You got one life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta lay some of the shit down and
Speaker 4: like figure out how to live it for yourself.
Speaker 1: Don't let other people dictate who you should be, how
Speaker 1: you should live.
Speaker 4: I have a mentor, Ellen Barber, who says, take what
Speaker 4: you need, take what's useful, leave the rest, And I
Speaker 4: feel that about any any religion or any spiritual thing
Speaker 4: you engage with, Like, take what you need, take what's useful,
Speaker 4: and the rest of it drop it. You have to
Speaker 4: take what works for you, not what worked for people
Speaker 4: who aren't even here anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in this show, you mentioned that you grew
Speaker 1: up with all the fear and anxiety amount HIV aids
Speaker 1: that a lot of us kids from the nineties experience.
Speaker 1: How did prep aiding your journey to becoming a better ho.
Speaker 4: I think what it did was it gave me ownership
Speaker 4: over my body. Because I can't really control how another
Speaker 4: person takes care of their health or if they were
Speaker 4: getting tested regularly, or but I can control that about myself,
Speaker 4: and so I think PREP gave me a little bit
Speaker 4: more autonomy. It gave me a peace of mind. It
Speaker 4: gave me a way to take care of myself as
Speaker 4: opposed to hoping that this other person was also going
Speaker 4: to be taking care of themselves.
Speaker 1: To have my own autonomy in that. Did you find
Speaker 1: yourself experimenting a lot more?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say probably yes. Even just like prep aside,
Speaker 4: I always say, ahoe cares about their health and you
Speaker 4: care about the health of others. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is what kandaria is, this is what syphilis is.
Speaker 4: Allowed me to start to be like, Okay, now I
Speaker 4: can be curious, and now I know how to take
Speaker 4: care of myself and take away the shame from it.
Speaker 6: Talking to your friends about it and be like everyone gets.
Speaker 1: Something and like they're all treatable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is wonderful.
Speaker 1: I took my doxy this morning period this morning too.
Speaker 1: I had a lovely weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like y'all went out this weekend.
Speaker 1: I love that. Right.
Speaker 2: So, Brandon, your hip podcast is called tell Me Something Messy,
Speaker 2: which I love.
Speaker 3: But now we're going to turn the tables on you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, but I'm wondering, what is your messiest
Speaker 2: cruising confession. It can be about actual cruising, could be
Speaker 2: hook up, it can.
Speaker 1: Be any Oh yeah, like tell me something messy.
Speaker 4: Madrid Pride. Well, I'm sure this happened a lot of us,
Speaker 4: but I met this very cute guy. It's tall, beautiful.
Speaker 4: I like them tall for whatever reason. I like them
Speaker 4: shore too.
Speaker 2: Just thank you, thank you for making me feel everyone's.
Speaker 6: Everyone's walking, I like, I like. So we went to
Speaker 6: the bathroom.
Speaker 4: I started sucking him and then you know, he ship
Speaker 4: and the toilet print was out and there was a
Speaker 4: line of people waiting, and you know, ship out of
Speaker 4: water is not is very polent.
Speaker 6: So as soon as that door open.
Speaker 1: So he took a ship. After the fun.
Speaker 4: No no, she pay so he like leaves and he
Speaker 4: grabs the like last bit of paper towel that's the
Speaker 4: that's in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Obviously the smell is traveling down.
Speaker 4: At this time he comes back, We're trying to like,
Speaker 4: oh whatever, my best friend, I'm like.
Speaker 6: Can't do anything because it's just ship all down.
Speaker 4: Cleans it up as much as he can, and of
Speaker 4: course so apologetic and I'm doing my best because you know,
Speaker 4: it happens. So I'm like trying not to make him
Speaker 4: feel shamed. So I'm like, it's cool, We're good.
Speaker 1: I don't worry.
Speaker 6: At Saint time, like texting my best friend and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, get me out of here, leave best friend, swoop
Speaker 4: me up and water like, water like water like, I
Speaker 4: need to get this off.
Speaker 1: But that was Yeah, that was a wild night. The
Speaker 1: thing about poop, though, is that it lingers. It does
Speaker 1: awesome because infections exactly. God, I swear to god.
Speaker 2: I got a ut I once and I went to
Speaker 2: a walk in and the nurses like, men don't get
Speaker 2: U T I s And I was.
Speaker 1: Like, baby, gotta leave.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, let me tell you. Granted, this
Speaker 3: is like eleven years ago.
Speaker 1: This is all right. Now we've reached the end of
Speaker 1: the interview, but there's still so much more we want
Speaker 1: to know about you. Yes, it's time for some rapid
Speaker 1: fire questions. Are you ready? I'm ready?
Speaker 2: Okay, So the first one is describe your Sniffie's profile picture.
Speaker 1: I don't have. I don't have one.
Speaker 3: The first photo you would send somebody if you're talking
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to them.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a face bit because I want to
Speaker 4: make sure that you like the mug first.
Speaker 3: The booty will get my attention. The mugg will seal
Speaker 3: the deal.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm a I'm a face card. I like, please
Speaker 4: don't let it decline. You know what I'm saying sufficiently
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I just want to work. And then
Speaker 4: depending on what she's the verse really so am I
Speaker 4: dealing with my verse bottom top? Because I got a
Speaker 4: nice dick pic of me standard to the side. You
Speaker 4: see a side profile.
Speaker 7: Get.
Speaker 3: Smart, rap.
Speaker 1: A lot of it. Okay, they never are. Describe the
Speaker 1: last person you sucked in three words.
Speaker 2: Tall, bald, hairy, on Okay, that's half a Brooklyn. So work,
Speaker 2: We'll track them down. Give them the three options, your place,
Speaker 2: third place or a third place third place?
Speaker 1: What would that secret? Their place?
Speaker 4: Hotel work, this nice little fancy hotel room, because then
Speaker 4: I don't have to worry. Like they come in, they
Speaker 4: clean the sheets, you can leave, you know, like a
Speaker 4: water room service.
Speaker 1: You get a little support for figuring the vibes. All right,
Speaker 1: what's the corniest opening line that has worked on you? You
Speaker 1: have beautiful lashes? You think that's corny? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Because to me it's corny because like you're you're I
Speaker 4: know you do on line love Like why you look
Speaker 4: at this much of my eyes like this?
Speaker 1: How could I not?
Speaker 4: Chris, let's talk after. Do you think my lashes are pretty?
Speaker 4: They're gorgeous? Thank you? Yeah, thank you, You're welcome. What's
Speaker 4: the next question, please?
Speaker 3: I think we all have beautiful lash.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: All right, what's the last place you hooked up with someone?
Speaker 6: The lasts of their apartment?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, cute, it's cute.
Speaker 4: It was like, I love fucking in New York because y'all,
Speaker 4: because I also love a view and so l everything
Speaker 4: is like short and so ITHI was not bad.
Speaker 5: We love tall places too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all got like, you know, high rises, so like
Speaker 4: it was like on like the seventeenth floor.
Speaker 6: That was like, that's why I said.
Speaker 1: When he told me that, I said, what apartment?
Speaker 6: This is seventeen?
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, when the apartment is letters and
Speaker 2: not a number, that's when I'm like, oh.
Speaker 6: Let me dress up for the absolutely.
Speaker 1: And the last of our rapid fire questions.
Speaker 2: What is your most controversial take related to sex, square, life, cruising, anything,
Speaker 2: anything queer.
Speaker 4: I think it's okay, Like my best friend disagrees with this,
Speaker 4: but like if we're at a party and we fucking
Speaker 4: the same guy and I come in that guy, I
Speaker 4: think it's okay for my friend to put their dick
Speaker 4: in there. Come in there too, Yes, my friend says, no,
Speaker 4: Like if you already came in there. I don't want
Speaker 4: to put my dick. I don't want your come touching
Speaker 4: my dick.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I see both sides of that.
Speaker 6: You see what break it down?
Speaker 1: Because I still there are certain friends that I will
Speaker 1: go to a sex party with, but I will not
Speaker 1: have sex with that fucking someone. Then your com is
Speaker 1: on there. I'm that's why. Why because we're family, because
Speaker 1: it's in a way. But yeah, but there are also
Speaker 1: some friends that I would like absolutely get in there
Speaker 1: after them.
Speaker 6: Okay, but there's.
Speaker 1: Like ten loads in there.
Speaker 3: What does it matter?
Speaker 2: It's probably just yours this this field. You've had an
Speaker 2: experience recently, But how would you know? But if you
Speaker 2: never told, they wouldn't know.
Speaker 3: Like where do we draw?
Speaker 4: Okay with the same people, but like you're not okay
Speaker 4: if my com is in there?
Speaker 1: God, that's crazy.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's not crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. But I'm going to ask the friend group.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get in the chat tonight.
Speaker 2: I ask the viewers write a sane how about you
Speaker 2: leave a comment below? Is it weird if you're close
Speaker 2: to somebody to come with somebody right after they came
Speaker 2: in them? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I feel like that's that's like, that's a Brooklyn pastime.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: That is?
Speaker 1: Like, are taking answer? Yeah? Absolutely absolutely. We have one
Speaker 1: more thing lef to cover, Brandon.
Speaker 2: We have heard some of your cruising confessions, but next
Speaker 2: up in our show, we are going to have a
Speaker 2: listener call in and share one of their cruising confessions anonymously.
Speaker 3: Would you like to stick around and listen?
Speaker 1: I would love to. Amazing, Yeah, the park was hot.
Speaker 1: So this one time I was at this bisexual guy.
Speaker 8: Has and somebody from an anonymous account threatening me, saying
Speaker 8: that I better watch myself as I leave the building.
Speaker 1: And then I eventually amassed to stay the night and
Speaker 1: I wake up the next.
Speaker 7: Morning and he had like.
Speaker 8: Three filing cabinets in front of the door, and like
Speaker 8: what four or five laundry baskets in front of those
Speaker 8: filing cabinets.
Speaker 7: I'm like, should I be concerned for my life? I'm
Speaker 7: leaving this building, Like what's going on? I was holding
Speaker 7: on to my pocket knife with.
Speaker 1: A death grip. That was so scary. I was never scared.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was saying that that person is crazy crazy
Speaker 8: eggs crazy crazy man.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me get this right. You're at a
Speaker 1: hookups place and the crazy X is clocking who's at
Speaker 1: the same location, then messaging them to say you better
Speaker 1: watch out because I'm going to kill you.
Speaker 2: From an anonymous account. So the person at the apartment
Speaker 2: is like, first, so are you hosting what?
Speaker 1: You know? We just need to you?
Speaker 6: And then why did they spend the.
Speaker 1: Night Right after the first message? I'd have been like,
Speaker 1: I actually have to go, but.
Speaker 2: Well you're getting curled up into bed and you hear
Speaker 2: scar and it's like filing cabinets against the door.
Speaker 4: No, I would have hit the group chat, dropped the location,
Speaker 4: called the car, and gotten the fun.
Speaker 1: I must have been good because you gotta be.
Speaker 6: Like the head on that dick, like what is going on?
Speaker 3: But also for the gotta be like, it's my crazy ex.
Speaker 3: It's like if you knew this, if this has.
Speaker 6: Happened before, Yeah, because you had a system.
Speaker 1: It's the filing cabinets and the lottery basket. What those
Speaker 1: laundy right? First of all, that would make my pussy
Speaker 1: clothes immediately, what do we do?
Speaker 2: I'm also like loving the detail that was never explained
Speaker 2: of So I was at this bisexual guys, is that coming?
Speaker 1: Because that's anonymous profile, so it could have been.
Speaker 3: Could have been a woman. It was a hysterical woman.
Speaker 6: I just feel like it wasn't a necessary detail, didn't.
Speaker 1: Do anything to the plot. Okay, I guess they just
Speaker 1: wanted us know that they can pull it.
Speaker 6: Bisexual work, bisexual representation.
Speaker 2: I love that absolutely, A lot of interesting details sprinkled
Speaker 2: in the bisexual man the switchblade I was holding.
Speaker 1: Couldn't imagine if my ex was just like messaging people
Speaker 1: on sniffees, like after all my hookups, I would be like,
Speaker 1: call the lady, Call the lady because you need a lady,
Speaker 1: because you need lady. Kay, you know what I'm talking
Speaker 1: about on the one that gets you on the couch
Speaker 1: talking about why why are you hitting up your exes?
Speaker 4: But I also fight first. I'll swing first. Okay, now
Speaker 4: I have a crazy ex is doing that. I'm a
Speaker 4: swing first because you already telling me that you about
Speaker 4: to do something wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't need to wait, right, I don't need.
Speaker 4: To wait to figure out you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: because you know you know who you I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not waiting for you to make the move. I
Speaker 1: will make the first move for you.
Speaker 2: Love you was the head of the whole church. What's
Speaker 2: your like official penance that you would assign them? How
Speaker 2: do they need to fix this or makeup for this block?
Speaker 1: Everybody there? We go.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, safety comes first.
Speaker 4: And so if you're ever in a situation that you
Speaker 4: don't feel safe or with somebody who didn't take care
Speaker 4: of your safety, like that to me, like on a
Speaker 4: real level, that that partner not telling you that this
Speaker 4: was a situation is not taking care of your safety. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so that person, they might be a good person,
Speaker 4: but that's not ready.
Speaker 1: For you to be in relationship with them. Yeah. Love that.
Speaker 2: Five Hill, Mary's in a block, that's where's Yeah, absolutely great.
Speaker 1: I love that. If you want to hear your own
Speaker 1: cruising confessions on an upcoming episode of this podcast, you
Speaker 1: can call our Cruising Confessions hotline at three zero two
Speaker 1: two one nine three eight nine eight. That's three zero
Speaker 1: two two one nine three eight nine eight.
Speaker 3: And obviously we have to thank you our guest, Brandon
Speaker 3: Kyle Goodman.
Speaker 2: It's been such a pleasure getting your story, getting to
Speaker 2: learn more about your show.
Speaker 3: And just kind of shooting the shit. This has been
Speaker 3: so much fun, truly that much my dream.
Speaker 2: But before we let you go. Where can folks find
Speaker 2: you online? And where can they get tickets to Hot.
Speaker 4: You can find me at Brandoncylegodman dot com and that's
Speaker 4: where you can also get tickets and on.
Speaker 1: Instagram Brandon cal Goodman.
Speaker 6: Very easy. You don't just put money bay, you won't
Speaker 6: find me.
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Speaker 1: Do it? Follow me in these eyelashes.
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