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Speaker 2: They wanted to see the girls in lingerie.

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Speaker 3: And Bill Clintonner, Michael Milkin or Arnold Schwarzenegger. They weren't

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Speaker 2: You know, it's all of jealousy.

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Speaker 3: The truth is, people in this town have been in

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Speaker 2: A lot of girls got to be who they really

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Speaker 4: Drugs were part than parcel the life and breath of

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Speaker 4: Ortel von Naje, producer.

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Speaker 5: Previously on Heidi World, Heidi took over the world of

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Speaker 5: and became one of the most powerful people in Los

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Heidie World.

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Speaker 6: Chapter five.

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Speaker 5: Heidie's Empire from the peak of.

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Speaker 6: The Hollywood Hills to the pits of despair.

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Speaker 5: Heidie's madaming business takes off and crashes nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Heidie World. I'm your host, Molly Lambert.

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Speaker 5: The year is nineteen ninety two. Heidi Flice is on

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Speaker 5: She has five hundred Heidi Girls working all over the

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Speaker 5: world bringing back her forty percent cut to her house.

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Speaker 5: She has everything she'd ever wanted. A house in the

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Speaker 5: her wildest dreams. She has built her own brand to

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Speaker 5: a certain subsection of Los Angeles. The name Heidi flies

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Speaker 3: I learned about the intricacies of deals, the power of sex,

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Speaker 5: In Hollywood, glamorous facades tend to hide a darker reality.

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Speaker 5: Despite appearances, everything is not actually perfect in Heidie world.

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Speaker 5: First off, there is Heidie's own big mouth. She can't

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Speaker 5: She and her toxic on and off boyfriend Yvonne Nage

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Speaker 5: Premiere was a gossipy movie magazine that ran starky coverage

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Speaker 5: Brad Wyman was a rich kid producer from bel Air

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Speaker 7: I never got credit for producing one hundred movies, for

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Speaker 6: It was always negative.

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Speaker 1: Hairdresser John John Peters film producer.

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Speaker 5: Producer John Peters is another lifelong Hollywood hustler, a valley

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Speaker 5: celebrity hairdresser. Peters claims that his father was a Cherokee

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Speaker 8: The prostitutes had red hair, red pubic hair, and red poodles.

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Speaker 6: I made it so everything matched.

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Speaker 5: He moved back to la where he got a job

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Speaker 5: his ex girlfriend Sharon Tate, John Peters used hairdressing to

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Speaker 5: in Hal Ashby's film Shampoo apocryphally inspired by j Sebring

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Speaker 5: and Rodeo Drive hairdresser Gene Shakoverer hip La hairdressers like

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Speaker 5: John Peters really do know everyone in town. He started

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Speaker 5: his mom's families Beverly Hills Salon. Like many people in

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Speaker 5: Heidi world, John Peters was a born hustler. He had

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Speaker 8: Great ass, great tits, great body. Barbara may have had

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Speaker 5: Peters produced the remake of A Star Is Born, starring

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Speaker 5: got into producing by essentially schmoozing his way into Hall

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Speaker 5: it that. Their partnership lasted twelve years, in which they

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Speaker 6: She was probably the love of my life.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, she was the most.

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Speaker 7: Captivating, interesting, creative person I've ever met.

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Speaker 8: I owe her, I will always owe her for giving

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Speaker 5: He parlayed the huge success of A Star Is Born

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Speaker 3: John Peters knew Alex for years. He was a huge client.

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Speaker 5: John Peters once threatened to kill a producer he found out,

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Speaker 5: in Premiere instead. Meanwhile, there are also signs that Heidi's

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Speaker 5: perfectly oiled machine is malfunctioning. Some john's pose a threat

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Speaker 5: Don Simpson was a producer who became known as the

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Speaker 5: Sex work needs to be decriminalized so that no sex

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Speaker 6: This is all very bad.

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Speaker 5: From Heidie's point of view, I'm sure she thought she

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Speaker 5: When Heidi World returns, Heidi's high end escort empire begins

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Speaker 6: Of the wood work. Welcome back to Heidi World.

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Speaker 5: All of Heidi's flirtations with disaster and fuck ups might

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Speaker 5: One of them is a limo driver turned bodyguard named

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Speaker 5: This makes her ex boyfriend furious, so Natoli snitches on

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Speaker 9: Meaning Heidi for me was an answer to a short

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Speaker 9: That was not my plan. Alexandra Daydig.

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Speaker 5: Alexandra Dadeg was an aspiring actress who'd worked for Heidi

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Speaker 5: Heidi World, Dadig is another child of Hollywood, a second

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Speaker 9: I was expected to have most of the time just

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Speaker 9: The client helped my plane ticket and my money, and

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Speaker 5: So, after a year of working for Heidi, Daydig decides

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Speaker 9: I provided credit card numbers, I provided information on air flights,

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Speaker 3: Everyone knew he was a cop. At me, I'm just

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Speaker 5: Lee then joined the Army Reserves to pay for USC

434
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 5: medical school, where he became an ear nosen throat doctor.

435
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 5: He advanced to the position of major in the US

436
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 5: Army's Medical Corps and thought he would be sent out

437
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 5: for Korean War service. Instead, he was utilized for American

438
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: propaganda on a larger scale and sent back to the

439
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 5: Olympic Games, where.

440
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 6: He was told he was expected to win.

441
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 5: At the nineteen fifty two Helsinki Olympics, he meddled gold.

442
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 5: He was then sent to South Korea with the American

443
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: Medical Corps in nineteen fifty three.

444
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 6: For a tour of duty.

445
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 5: When Lee returned home to California in nineteen fifty four,

446
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 5: he found that, even as a multiple Olympic gold medalist,

447
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 5: a doctor, and a veteran who had demonstrated his American

448
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 5: patriotism endless times, racist housing discrimination practices against Asians and

449
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: Asian Americans persisted, even and especially in the supposedly progressive

450
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: state of California. Sammy Lee tried to purchase a house

451
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: in the Orange County neighborhood of Garden Grove and was denied.

452
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: Nearby residents drew up a petition against Sammy Lee moving

453
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 5: into quote their neighborhood, and he moved elsewhere. He married

454
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 5: a woman named Rosalind Wong and they had two children.

455
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 5: Their son became a detective with the Beverly Hills Police

456
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: Department named Sammy Lee the Second.

457
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: I had a bad feeling about him, but she kept saying, no,

458
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: he's a great guy. He drives a testa rosa and everything.

459
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 5: So in nineteen ninety three, Detective Sammy Lee the Second

460
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 5: decides to set up a sting to bust Heidi Flice's operation.

461
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: He gets a tip, probably from Alexandra dadeg that Heidi

462
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: will be throwing a party that night at a place

463
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 5: called the Rangoon Racket Club, a faux British colonial themed

464
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 5: club in Beverly Hills that's modeled after a British tennis

465
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 5: club in Burma whose very offensive theme and overpriced bar

466
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 5: food lasted from the seventies to the early nineties. Heidi

467
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 5: is hanging out with some of her friends, including her

468
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 5: old pal Jenjung, at the Rangoon Club, when Sammy Lee

469
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 5: and another officer crash her party undercover. In character, Sammy

470
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 5: Lee the second poses as a Hawai in Japanese textile

471
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 5: merchant named Nico Akai who wants to set up himself

472
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: and some Japanese businessman friends with late night entertainment from

473
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: Heidi's girls. He brings the aforementioned Ferrari Testarosa, which is

474
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 5: his own real personal car.

475
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 11: We knew that she was having a function there and

476
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 11: we borrowed a Ferrari. People were having drinks and then

477
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 11: she was playing the hostess. There were probably six or

478
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 11: seven girls. I basically was able to get her phone

479
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 11: number that night and introduce myself as a businessman, and

480
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 11: I kept it very generic, said maybe we can try

481
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 11: to do business in the future, and that I'd like

482
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 11: to call her Detective Sammy Lee, Beverly Hills Police Department.

483
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 5: Heidi takes the bait and gives Detective Lee her phone number.

484
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 5: He calls and they set up an appointment at the

485
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: Beverly Hilton Hotel to talk through the logistics. On June eighth,

486
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety three, Heidi meets with Sammy Lee and one

487
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: other in investigator. Lee sets up a sting with audio

488
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 5: and video recording equipment in a Beverly Hilton suite, then

489
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: gets Heidi talking about her business, which, as we all

490
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 5: know by now, is not very hard to do.

491
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: In the history of this business, no one has ever

492
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: been able to do what I did. I know one

493
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: percent of the wealthiest people in the entire world. So

494
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: maybe I'll meet one hundred girls in two weeks and

495
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: I'll only pick one. Every girl I select has some

496
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: quality or value about her that I think is different

497
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: from the rest, a special kind of person. I have

498
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: a fixed price, and no one is hustled, and no one.

499
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: Is like crude.

500
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: You won't find some like drugged out freak coming in

501
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: with her fingernails all dirty. I can't afford stuff like

502
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: that because of the people I deal with.

503
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Basically I have everything to perfection.

504
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 11: You're more squared away than I I am. And for

505
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 11: fifteen hundred, what are we talking.

506
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: We're talking. Everybody's gonna have a good time.

507
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: But like, I'm not into this group sex and swapping

508
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: and things like that. I tell people that I think condoms.

509
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer in condoms. But what girls and

510
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: guys do when I'm not in the room, I can't

511
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: oversee everything. If you're not happy with someone in the

512
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: first fifteen minutes, if she offends you in any way,

513
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: or something about her strikes you as wrong, it's one

514
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: hundred dollars, thank you go.

515
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 11: So the arrangement is basically straight sex, but basically nothing bizarre.

516
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 11: I don't want to see Allama coming through the house.

517
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: No, no, nothing bizarre. And you know some guys like

518
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: two girls.

519
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: To be together.

520
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, can that be arranged?

521
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a normal man thing, a boy thing.

522
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 11: As far as money exchanged, cash okay.

523
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: Cash cool? No yet.

524
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: I know people who run countries and rule worlds, and

525
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: they are so amorous leaving a business meeting. They can

526
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: change the Worldy God, that's bizarre. Men and women must

527
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: be a whole different thing, like cats and dogs or something. Basically,

528
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: that's how I see it. I think I just learned

529
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 3: real quick because I learned it with something, you have

530
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: to get right or it's not going to work at all.

531
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: I wish I had some competition.

532
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: There are people all over town, like these two hundred

533
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: or three hundred dollars madams who say they're my competition,

534
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: and they send they're made out on a job or something.

535
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: You're going to get what you pay for. Do you

536
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: have a preference in your type? Tell me about your

537
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: dream girl?

538
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 11: Umm, probably around five foot eight, brunette, pretty slim, nice legs,

539
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 11: nice spot.

540
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: Okay, no problem. What time?

541
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: The people I pick, I consider them my friends. Like

542
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: we work together or we don't work at all. We

543
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: have good chemistry.

544
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 12: So how would you like to work?

545
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 11: The money?

546
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: Just give it to the girls, straight to the girls.

547
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: I have to trust them, because if there's no trust,

548
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: it's not going to work. And if you're not happy

549
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 3: with something, and just call me and I'll make sure

550
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: it's all fixed.

551
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 5: A date is set for a Heidi girl to come

552
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 5: meet Nico Akai in his room that night Heidi sends

553
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 5: Samantha Burdette, a beautiful girl from a rich family in

554
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 5: Colorado who became a model in Japan and dated head

555
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 5: of the elite modeling agency John Casablancas and Guns N'

556
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 5: Roses singer Axel Rose before she started working for Heidi.

557
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: Samantha is beautiful, but she's a lost soul.

558
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 5: Lee meets with Burdette and pays her fifteen hundred dollars.

559
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 5: She strips down to her underwear and according to the

560
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 5: police report, Lee claims he suddenly has to run. He

561
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 5: lets her keep the money and calls Heidi the next

562
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 5: night to ask for another date with way more party favors.

563
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: The next night, he asks for three more girls and

564
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: two a balls of cocaine. Then Charlie called me and

565
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: said he wanted some coke as a faber, and another

566
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: client asked for mandras and I got them.

567
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: I threw the mandraques in the back of my car.

568
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 5: A few days later, Sammy Lee brings three other Asian

569
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: American cops, including a Japanese American detective named Stephen Takeshida,

570
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: and they all pose as Japanese businessmen with bad fake accents,

571
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 5: speaking gibberish. They hope the girls won't notice, isn't Japanese.

572
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 5: They meet with the four girls and pay fifteen hundred

573
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 5: dollars to each one for what they say will be

574
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 5: some oral sex followed by straight sex. Kim Birch, a

575
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: rookie on her first date, responds to one of the

576
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: undercover cops, speaking fake broken English, asking to do American thing,

577
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: special thing, by saying you mean, like stand on my

578
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 5: head or what. The entire scenario, which is videotaped and

579
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 5: played later for jurors in court, sounds completely absurd. They

580
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 5: ask the girls to strip for them, and as they

581
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 5: can at Topless, a task force persts in placing all

582
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 5: four of the girls under arrest.

583
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 11: We had the girls in one big room and once

584
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 11: they started to address then we called it and the

585
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 11: officers came in and arrested everyone. We arrested the girls,

586
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 11: and we had another team at Heidi's house waiting to

587
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 11: arrest her.

588
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: That day, I went out in the sun. I was

589
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: disturbed all day. I was on a sobriety kick. I

590
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: had started going.

591
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 6: To the gym.

592
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: I took a soma, a muscle relaxer, but that day

593
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: I was feeling really weird around a thirty It was

594
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: one of the clearest, most beautiful nights. They arrived twenty

595
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: cops and four dogs all at my house.

596
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 5: June ninth, nineteen ninety three, eight thirty pm. Heidi is

597
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: wheeling out the trash cans to the curb in front

598
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: of her Tower Grove mansion when she is confronted by

599
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 5: twenty cops and four police dogs. She immediately cracks a

600
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: joke about how this must be the reason Los Angeles

601
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 5: is broke, since they're spending all their money on her.

602
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 6: She's not wrong.

603
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 5: The police sees some travelers checks signed by Charlie Sheen,

604
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: thirteen grams of cocaine, a plastic baggie of mandrax, which

605
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 5: is an old type of sedative like a queylude, and

606
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 5: the red Gucci notebooks that Heidi used in lieu of.

607
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 6: A black book.

608
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 5: Beverly Hills Lieutenant Jim Smith says Heidi didn't flip out

609
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: and was remarkably calm.

610
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 6: Even jovial.

611
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 5: Heidi is charged with felony him bang, pandering, and narcotics.

612
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 5: She has released on one hundred thousand dollars bail, which

613
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 5: a bail bombsman puts up because Heidi hasn't saved anything,

614
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 5: let alone one hundred thousand dollars. A seventeen year old

615
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 5: girl found living in her house is booked as well.

616
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 5: The four girls who were booked earlier that day by

617
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 5: Sammy Lee flip on Heidi immediately and start telling.

618
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 6: The cops everything.

619
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 5: As soon as the Heidi Fly's story breaks in Los Angeles,

620
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: every newspaper in town starts receiving phoned in tips claiming

621
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 5: to know the names of famous clients. The only names

622
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 5: publicly associated with Flice at this point are people known

623
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: to be her social friends, Billy Idel, who she met

624
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 5: at on the Rocks, her friend Victoria Sellers, and music

625
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 5: manager Elliot Mintz. Nobody has been confirmed as a john

626
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 5: or a client, but the rumor mill continues. Columbia Pictures

627
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 5: is alleged to have diverted funds meant for a Three

628
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 5: Stooges movie towards what they call improper executive entertainment, and

629
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 5: the heirs to the Three Stooges brand are demanding an investigation,

630
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: possibly related as well to a three Stuges merchandising deal

631
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: they got screwed on by the studio. One name that

632
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 5: keeps bobbing back up is Charlie Sheen, who allegedly likes

633
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: his Heidi girls to dress as cheerleaders. Aside from not

634
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 5: being old enough to be her father, Charlie Sheen is

635
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 5: completely Heidi's type, possibly her male equal. Charlie Sheen is,

636
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: once again, maybe you're getting tired of this, a second

637
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: generation child of Hollywood. He and Heidi are very similar.

638
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: They have addictive personalities, a history of self destructive behavior,

639
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 5: are incredibly charismatic, and grew up in close knit bohemian

640
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 5: families in Los Angeles. Charlie Sheen's father, Martin Sheen born

641
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 5: Ramon Antonio Harado Estevez, is an anti war leftist and

642
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 5: a famous actor.

643
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 6: In Demi Morri's.

644
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 5: Autobiography, she talks about spending time at the Estevo Sheen

645
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: house when she was dating Charlie's brother Emilio, and being

646
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 5: captivated by the warmth and intelligence of the family in

647
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: contrast to her own incredibly fucked up and fractured family dynamic.

648
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: Charlie Sheen was born Carlos Irwin Estevez in New York

649
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 5: in nineteen sixty five, and shortly thereafter the family moved

650
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 5: to Malibu, just Like Heidi, Charlie Sheen also made Super

651
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 5: eight movies with his friends and family.

652
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Speaker 6: As a kid.

653
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Speaker 5: His friends included fellow Santa Monica High students Rob Lowe

654
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 5: and Sean Penn. Like Heidi, he came from an upper class,

655
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 5: supportive family, but was drawn into the underworld of la

656
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 5: Charlie Sheen was brought into the industry by his father,

657
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 5: Martin Sheen. His first role was an uncredited appearance in

658
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 5: Terrence Malick's bad Land, starring Martin. Charlie Sheen was part

659
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 5: of the eighties brat pack of young actors that also

660
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 5: included his brother Emilio Estevez. The Brat pack included several handsome,

661
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 5: burgeoning leading men whose screen persona was angry young man.

662
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 5: Sheen's breakout role was Red Dawn, the nineteen eighties red

663
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 5: scare fantasy about Russian forces descending on a small American

664
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: town that has to fight back. From then on, he

665
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 5: played the archetypal nineteen eighties alpha male in a series

666
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 5: of hit movies. As we learn more about the producers

667
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 5: of the eighties, you can see why they fell Like edgy,

668
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 5: dark haired leonine, sexually charismatic, Charlie Sheen was a perfect

669
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 5: Avatar for their idea of the ideal man. In nineteen

670
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 5: eighty five, Charlie Sheen stars in a Penelope Spirris movie

671
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 5: called The Boys next Door, where he and Grease two

672
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: star turned Rex Manning Maxwell Calfield play proto red pilled

673
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 5: spree killers who set out on a string of racist, misogynist,

674
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 5: and homophobic murders around la This movie is fucking spine

675
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 5: chilling and should be screened for It's also hilariously a

676
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 5: total dry run for Wayne's World in that a lot

677
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: of the scenes are focused on the two guys just

678
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 5: driving around. Charlie Sheen then appears in Ferris Bueller's Day

679
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 5: Off as the scariest hottest guy you have ever seen

680
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 5: in your life, where he hits on Farris's sister played

681
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 5: by Jennifer Gray, giving maybe a lot of Jewish girls

682
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 5: a complex for the rest of their lives. But his

683
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 5: critical breakthrough is in Oliver Stone's Platoon. In nineteen eighty six.

684
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 5: Oliver Stone uses Charlie Sheen's lineage of Vietnam movies his

685
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 5: father starred An Apocalypse Now to make a movie drawing on

686
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: his own experiences as a Vietnam vet. Realizing that everything

687
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 5: he'd been told was a lie. Like The Boys next Door,

688
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: Platoon uses the all American looking Sheen to critique American

689
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 5: man hood to show how male bravery and valiance are

690
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 5: propaganda used a further American empire, how men are exploited

691
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: by war and lose their souls to it, and how

692
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 5: the empire's coffers depend on it. This is how Charlie

693
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 5: Sheen functioned as an eighties A list movie star, as

694
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: a sort of walking commentary on masculinity. He played fucked up,

695
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 5: charming eighties men in Wall Street, another Oliver Stone mega

696
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 5: hit and major League, which showed that he could also

697
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 5: do comedy. But when it came to his personal life,

698
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: Charlie Sheen did not stick to the script that other

699
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: people expected from him. Like the other brat pack bad boys,

700
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: he was legitimately a loose cannon. The same wild energy

701
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 5: that made him a star also made him a liability.

702
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 5: Charlie's issues surface early on in his career, but he

703
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: is carried by the sheer power of being a famous

704
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: white man through one scandal after another. He impregnates his

705
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 5: high school friend, who gives birth to their child.

706
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety.

707
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 5: He's engaged to the actress Kelly Preston when he accidentally

708
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 5: shoots her in the arm and the engagement.

709
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 6: Is called off.

710
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 5: Charlie Sheen seems to have been a troubled person from

711
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 5: the beginning, which doesn't excuse or absolve him from exhibiting

712
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: a lot of awful, violent and abusive behavior towards women

713
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 5: over the years. Like many players in this story, he's

714
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 5: haunted by the demons of addiction. However, him hiring and

715
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 5: dating sex workers is not evidence that he's fucked up.

716
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 5: It's actually the most charming thing about him. Despite being

717
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 5: one of the most famous mainstream Hollywood leading men, she

718
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: in dates some leading ladies from the other local film industry,

719
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 5: the one in the San Fernando Valley.

720
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 13: We had this relationship. It was fabulous, It was wonderful.

721
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 13: The hardest part was attorneys and managers and agents and

722
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 13: publicists and people saying do this, don't do that. Ginger's

723
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 13: going to ruin your career and that's not going to

724
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 13: be good for you. Lynn Allen, adult film star.

725
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 5: After Kelly Preston, Charlie Sheen dates Ginger. Lynn Allen, a

726
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 5: legendary adult star who worked behind it in front of

727
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 5: the camera. Alan was as famous in porn in the

728
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: early eighties as Sheen was in Hollywood. Alan starred in

729
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 5: the hit adult film New Wave Hookers, which became controversial

730
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: when it was revealed that one of its stars, Tracy Lords,

731
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 5: had filmed it underage. It was re edited to exclude Lords,

732
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: whose scenes jeopardized the legality and legitimacy of the adult

733
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: film industry. Lords was edited off the cover and replaced

734
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 5: with ginger Lynn Allen. And maybe the dating pool among

735
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 5: actors is just really small, but I just wanted to

736
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 5: point out that George Clooney also dated both Kelly Preston

737
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: and ginger Lynn Allen. After appearing as herself in Bachelor

738
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 5: Party with Tom Hanks, Allan left porn in nineteen eighty

739
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 5: six to try and make the jump to mainstream film.

740
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: She appears in a small part in Young Guns Too

741
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 5: with Sheen and Svez. In nineteen ninety, ginger Len Allen

742
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 5: and Charlie Sheen enter rehab together. He writes her love letters.

743
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 12: I'm sitting in bed writing to you from my penthouse

744
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 12: suite at the Hotel du Camp. The view up here

745
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 12: is incredible. I can see the Eiffel Tower Matt Rushmore,

746
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 12: Niagara Files, Riverfront Stadium, and I Can See You as well,

747
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 12: which happens to be my favorite side of all. Charlie Sheen.

748
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 5: Actor Sheen also dated adult actress Heather Hunter, an aspiring

749
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 5: musician from the Bronx who was dancing at a club

750
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: when porn star Hyapacia Lee aka Vicky Lynch suggested Hunter

751
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: could make a lucrative career in adult films. Heather Hunter

752
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 5: is mentioned in at least as many rap songs as

753
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 5: Heidi Flie. She's in the video for Tupacs how Do

754
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 5: You Want It with fellow porn icons Angel Kelly and

755
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 5: Nina Hartley, and she is absolutely legendary as well as

756
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 5: one of the few black women who was able to

757
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 5: become an a list porn star in the very racist

758
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 5: porn industry of the eighties and nineties. Back to Heidi.

759
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 5: Heidi immediately denies to the La Times that she is

760
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 5: involved in prostitution, even though she already bragged about it

761
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 5: once to Sean Hubler, who didn't name her in print.

762
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 5: Lapd Captain Glenn Ackerman tells the press that Flice was

763
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 5: the target of a month's long investigation that showed she

764
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 5: was operating a highly sophisticated prostitution ring where a group

765
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 5: of high end call girls got paid fifteen hundred dollars

766
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: an hour in what Ackerman calls a milia of money

767
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 5: and well, shall we say power. One person who speaks

768
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 5: out immediately to deny that he has bought any sex

769
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 5: from Heidi is producer Robert Evans, a super producer of

770
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 5: the nineteen seventies behind movies like The Godfather. Evans is

771
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 5: now entering the twilight phase of his producing career.

772
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 14: I'm the one guy in town who's never touched her

773
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 14: and never seen any of her girls, and yet I'm

774
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 14: the only one mentioned why. I don't know, Robert Evans, producer.

775
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 5: The many powerful men in Los Angeles who hired Heidi

776
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: and her girls start sweating bullets, worrying their names are

777
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 5: going to leak to the press. According to the book

778
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 5: Hit and Run, How John Peters and Peter Gouber Took

779
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 5: Sony for a Ride in Hollywood by Nancy Griffin and

780
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 5: Kim masters, yvon nauj and Heidi Flies are longtime Hollywood friends,

781
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 5: with Columbia Pictures president of Production, who is one of

782
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 5: the people most concerned he will get outed in the scandal.

783
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: One rumor starts circulating claiming that Steve Roth, one of

784
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 5: the producers of Colombia's huge recent bomb Last Action Hero,

785
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 5: was a friend of Heidi who hired her girls as

786
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 5: extras on the very over budget film. Producer Robert Evans's

787
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: name also gets mentioned in connection with Heidi, which he

788
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: immediately and strenuously denies. Rumors circle that Paramount might use

789
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 5: Heidigate as an excuse to dump Evans, who produce seventies

790
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 5: blockbusters like The Godfather and The Sting before a cocaine

791
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 5: conviction in the nineteen eighties. Evans has been back at

792
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: Paramount for two years, but had decamped to Palm Springs

793
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: to work on his autobiography, The Kid Stays in the Picture,

794
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: neglecting his commitments to producing movies The Saint in the Phantom.

795
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 14: Everything couldn't be on a more go level than it

796
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 14: is now. My relationship with Paramount has never been better.

797
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: In addition to his possible connection with the Heidi scandal,

798
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 5: Evans has been connected to another scandal involving a company

799
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 5: called Axiom Entertainment defrauding private investors of two hundred million

800
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 5: dollars one point two million of which allegedly went to Evans.

801
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 5: He's also already made one bomb for paramount, the erotic

802
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 5: Thriller's Sliver, which had Basic Instincts star Sharon Stone and

803
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 5: screenwriter Joe Esther Haass, but none of Basic Instinct's success.

804
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 5: Don Simpson calls Heidi and offers to pay off her

805
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 5: legal bills if she keeps his name out of it,

806
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 5: and she takes the money.

807
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety.

808
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 5: Three, Hollywood, the greatest good Eighties have supposedly given way

809
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 5: to the more minimalist nineties, where consumption is just as conspicuous,

810
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: but macrobiotic foods have replaced drugs. Hollywood's coke ears are

811
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 5: supposedly waning, as being a raging drug addict starts to

812
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 5: be seen as a liability, and everyone gets sober at

813
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: the increasingly upscale rehab facilities in Malibu, like promises becoming

814
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 5: addicted to expensive coffee instead of coke. But beneath the

815
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 5: thin at crew Linen Veneer of the early nine Vice

816
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 5: still booms underground, and Heidi's business hasn't slowed as the

817
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 5: decade changed over, not at all. Some agents even allegedly

818
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 5: set up their often married clients with call girls to

819
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 5: ensure they wouldn't get caught with their pants down publicly

820
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 5: cheating with a random civilian fluozy who could sell her

821
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: story to the tabloids. In the early nineties, Hollywood claims

822
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 5: to be cleaning house of the sexism, racism, and hedonism

823
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 5: that has plagued its halls forever, but behind closed doors

824
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 5: things haven't changed. Colombia Pictures is still a boys club.

825
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 5: One anonymous employee describes it to the authors of Hit

826
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 5: and Run like this quote. When I think about Colombia,

827
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 5: I think about all those tiny little men in tiny

828
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 5: little genes, high fiving each other endlessly.

829
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 6: I love that quote because I feel like it still

830
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 6: applies to everything.

831
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 5: Heidi and Evonnage are regulars at Colombia Pictures own Michael

832
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 5: Nathanson's holiday parties and football game viewings at his house,

833
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 5: where they supposedly suck out like a sore thumb among

834
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 5: the besuited executive dirt bags, although that seems besides the point.

835
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 5: This fuels the speculation that Yvonne naj hooked Nathansen and

836
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 5: friends up with narcotics and Heidi Girls to get ahead

837
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 5: of the Heidi Fly scandal, potentially naming him. Michael Nathanson

838
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 5: checks into a rehab facility in Marina del Rey, claiming

839
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 5: he developed an addiction to the painkiller Perkadan after a

840
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 5: jogging accident. But the war that von naj and Heidie

841
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 5: Flies are waging against each other will claim Michael Nathanson

842
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 5: as its first casualty in the press. When the Heidi

843
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 5: Fly story breaks in the public sphere, the first names

844
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 5: to surface are Nathansen and Nase, and Nathanson attempts to

845
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 5: sue two journalists working on the story for The Hollywood Reporter.

846
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 5: The New York Post runs blind items about a certain

847
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 5: studio being in hot water with Heidi, and the La

848
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 5: Times Prince story after story about the Heidi Fly scandal,

849
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 5: but no publication claims hard enough evidence to run any names.

850
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 5: By August, no Johns have come forward or been named,

851
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 5: and Heidi hasn't snitched. But this doesn't make the rich

852
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 5: Johns any less paranoid.

853
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 15: This rumor has gone to epic proportions, and it just

854
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 15: isn't true. He never had anything to do with this woman,

855
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 15: and obviously never did anything improper at Columbia, and has

856
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 15: no knowledge of anyone else at Columbia who has had

857
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 15: any dealings with this woman. Anthony Pelicano, private investigator.

858
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 10: You always want to be on the right side of

859
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 10: Anthony Pelicana.

860
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 5: Michael Nathanson hires Anthony Pelicano, a private detective specializing in

861
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 5: Hollywood shakedowns. He hired him four months earlier, when the

862
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 5: rumors first started circulating that Nathansen had set up fake

863
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: development deals as fronts for buying sex and drugs. Pelicano

864
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 5: advises Nathansen to issue a public denial, even though his

865
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 5: name hasn't come up in the press. On August third,

866
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 5: Nathansen goes on the record through his lawyer, Howard Whitezman,

867
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 5: saying he has no business or personal relationship with Heidie

868
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 5: Flies and has not done anything that should cause concern

869
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 5: on behalf of Columbia pictures with his lawyer using some

870
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 5: very unfortunate wording about putting the rumors to bed. This

871
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 5: brings out the Wolves to report on his statement. This

872
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 5: is the first concrete evidence that some of the bigger

873
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 5: Heidi rumors might be true, and the rumor mill starts

874
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 5: churning off the hook. Suddenly, Nathanson's face is on the

875
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 5: local news associating himself and Columbia Pictures with the Heidi

876
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 5: Fly scandal. Anthony Pelicano is another wild character, a scandal

877
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 5: fixer for Hollywood people. He grew up with a single

878
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 5: mom in Chicago and then came out West. Rich people

879
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: put him on retainer to run wire taps on people

880
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 5: they want monitored, enemies, ex.

881
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 6: Wives, etc.

882
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 5: Anthony Pellicano knows everyone in Los Angeles and all of

883
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 5: their dirty secrets. He came to LA in the late

884
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 5: seventies and set up shop after helping John Dolorean, the

885
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 5: original seller of cars with suicide doors, fight charges of

886
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 5: cocaine distribution. The Nathanson story is the biggest Hollywood scandal

887
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 5: since David Begelman, who produced movies like Shampoo and Close

888
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 5: Encounters of the Third Kind, was discovered siphoning money from

889
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 5: Columbia Pictures. Flies supports Nathanson's claim that the two are

890
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 5: merely social friends. Now, Nathansen had not run the denial

891
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 5: statement by any of his studio bosses first, so while

892
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 5: Nathanson denies it vehemently, bank records show that he wrote

893
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: at least two personal checks to Yvonne nauj in nineteen

894
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 5: eighty and nineteen ninety, albeit for the relatively paltry amounts

895
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 5: of five hundred dollars and seven hundred and fifty dollars,

896
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 5: which just seem very low considering the rumors of Heidie's

897
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 5: girls commanding five thousand dollars for blowjobs at the peak.

898
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 5: When Heidie World returns the story of JJ the King

899
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 5: of Beavers and Cookie Orgad the Israeli Ecstasy King Pan

900
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 5: of La.

901
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 6: Welcome back to Heidie World.

902
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 4: Hookers. They have no life. Their only friends are other hookers.

903
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: That's the club, and they live and die for the club.

904
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: But you have to accept the club for what it

905
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 4: is to be a hooker. You have to accept that

906
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 4: you're living a lie. You can only be yourself with

907
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 4: the other working girls. The rest, the rest is a lie.

908
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 5: Heidi talks to attorney Robert Shapiro, soon to become famous

909
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 5: himself as a key player on OJ Simpson's defense team.

910
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 5: He tells Heidi that he heard Yvonne Naj is going

911
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 5: down next.

912
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: You're going to jail, you motherfucker.

913
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety three, as the scandal was breaking, Naj

914
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 5: was trying to release Skinner, his low budget horror movie

915
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 5: that he directed about a serial killer named Dennis Skinner

916
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 5: who prays on skid Row Prostitutes, starring Ted Raimie in

917
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 5: the title role. On August fourth, Yvonne Naje and Julie

918
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 5: Connister get busted. Not only has ivon Nage been running

919
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 5: his own escort ring with Connisseur, he's been taking a

920
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 5: percentage from every other working madam in town. Madame Alex

921
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,479
Speaker 5: as she calls him, mister twenty percent for his cut

922
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 5: taking tendencies. Yvonne naj is parking his white Mercedes Benz

923
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 5: outside a cafe on Los Sienaga when the cops arrived

924
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 5: for him with his own pandering charges. Heidi is absolutely thrilled.

925
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't care what kind of drup I'm in. I'm

926
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: going out tonight.

927
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 16: The dynamic between Alex, Yvonne and Heidi is hard to describe.

928
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 16: They're like a bunch of jackals, all feeding off the

929
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 16: same carcass. Fred Klapp LAPD Detective.

930
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 5: Yvonne Naje and Julie Connister were probably busted because of

931
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 5: a wire tap tape where they discussed specifics of their

932
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 5: plan to run an escort service and cut out Heidi.

933
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 5: That tape was provided to Heidi by an ex associate

934
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 5: of Yvonne naj An Israeli drug dealer named Jacob Orgad

935
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 5: who goes by the nickname Cookie. Allegedly Heidi may have

936
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 5: leaked it to the police in order to help Pinyvon

937
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: Naje with a pandering charge. Jacob Cookie Orgad becomes part

938
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 5: of the public story in August when he's linked to

939
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 5: the death of a twenty two year old girl named

940
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 5: Lorie Dolan earlier that year in March, Lorie Dolan died

941
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 5: of an overdose of cocaine, morphine, and codine at Cookie's

942
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 5: West Hollywood condo. Because he has a known connection to Heidi,

943
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 5: the press start speculating that Lorie Dolan was one of

944
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 5: Heidi's girls. Cookie Orgad is an Israeli ecstasy kingpin who

945
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 5: allegedly employs Hasidic Jewish teenagers as drug mules and couriers.

946
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 6: He also was part of.

947
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 5: An electronics store called Jay and Jay Imports with a

948
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 5: guy named Judah Alza. Alza and Orgad dissolved the partnership,

949
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: and Alza went on to run a successful pager and

950
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 5: electronics store called Jay and Jay Beeper, whose billboards show

951
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 5: him wearing a king's crown and robe surrounded by bikini girls.

952
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 5: In one, a lingerie clad girl straddles a giant beeper.

953
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 15: I'm JJ and I'm the King of Beepers JJ King

954
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 15: of Beepers aka Judah Alsett.

955
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 5: Cookie Orgad was supposedly just a small time coke dealer

956
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 5: until Heidi Flies came in to buy a big screen

957
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 5: TV from him. One day, Cookie brought the TV to

958
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 5: Heidie's Tower Grove estate and from there he became part

959
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 5: of the operation, working as Heidi's new enforcer. Heidie told

960
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 5: everybody that Cookie was in masade, which he wasn't, but

961
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 5: it scared people into complying. Cookie also became Heidie's main

962
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 5: recruiter of new talent. He made himself useful and got

963
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 5: a kickback for recruits. Cookie Orgad moved up the ranks

964
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 5: of drug dealing as well, becoming a major player in

965
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 5: the burgeoning ecstasy trade. He moved out of his shitty

966
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: apartment into a swanky twelfth floor high rise in West Hollywood.

967
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 5: While Cookie or God might not have been Mosad, he

968
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 5: was looped in with some Israeli mob families who were

969
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 5: smuggling MDMA tablets from labs in the Netherlands in Belgium

970
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 5: to Los Angeles, using a pre existing model they'd set

971
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 5: up to smuggle diamonds. This way, ecstasy tablets were sewn

972
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 5: into the shoulder pads of women's jackets and shipped overseas.

973
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 5: Hi Walk nine, an Israeli American racketeer from Van Nys,

974
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 5: and Cookie orgd were both getting the ecstasy from the

975
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 5: same supplier, an Israeli mob boss known as ITSUK Big

976
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 5: Friend Abergil, sometimes called the Man from the South.

977
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: I had a lot of enemies.

978
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 3: Sometimes I needed to find out something about a girl,

979
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 3: and he'd helped me.

980
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 5: Lori Dolan was a young party girl from the San

981
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 5: Fernando Valley in many ways a carbon copy of Heidi

982
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 5: from a few years prior. Dolan waitressed at the Sagebrush

983
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 5: canteena in Calabasas and started running with a fast crowd

984
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 5: that liked to go clubbing and do hard drugs. On

985
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 5: the night of her death, Dolan went to a club

986
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 5: that Heidi also frequented, called Tattoo and called her dad,

987
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 5: whose name is coincidentally the same.

988
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 6: As Heidi's dad, Paul. She told Paul.

989
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 5: Dolan she was going out late with friends but would

990
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 5: be fine. They went to bar one next, which Cookie

991
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 5: co owned, and Cookie showered his guests with buckets of

992
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 5: expensive champagne. Then everyone went back to Cookie's place in

993
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 5: West Hollywood, where Lorie Dolan did the fatal cocaine cut

994
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 5: with heroin. Her so called friends freaked out when everyone

995
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 5: woke up hungover the next morning, except Lori, who didn't

996
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 5: wake up, so they didn't take her to the er

997
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 5: until five pm that day, where she was pronounced brain Dad.

998
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 5: Three days later, her family took her off life support.

999
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 5: Then the connection between Cookie, Yvonne Naj and Heidie Flies

1000
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 5: was reported, and suddenly Lori Dolan was being dragged into

1001
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 5: the Heidi scandal as well. The media loved this angle

1002
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 5: because it played into their narrative that sex work led

1003
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 5: to automatic ruin for anyone.

1004
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 6: Who so much as dabbles.

1005
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 5: The LAPD even declared that the investigation would now look

1006
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 5: into whether Lorie Dolan was a Heidi associate. The problem

1007
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 5: was that it wasn't true. The only clear connection between

1008
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 5: Heidi and Lourie Dolan was that they ran in overlapping circles,

1009
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 5: frequented the same clubs, and bought drugs from the same dealer.

1010
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 5: But the news cycle ran with the story anyway, because

1011
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 5: everyone was now waiting with baited breath for more salacious

1012
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 5: news to emerge from the Heidi news cyclone. Whether Lorie

1013
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 5: Dolan was or wasn't a Heidi girl hardly mattered to

1014
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 5: the La Times. They had already written the copy high

1015
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 5: school girl gone bad, sucked into a world of drugs

1016
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 5: and prostitution, leading right to death. Cookie bales town after

1017
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 5: the story breaks, and JJ the Beeper King takes his

1018
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 5: Beeper Empire to Las Vegas. After busting Yvonne and Julie Connister,

1019
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 5: the cops also bust another West side escort service run

1020
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 5: by two women named Thomasina Asformis and Alisha Radkey, in

1021
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 5: an attempt to make a big show a force of

1022
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 5: cracking down on wes, particularly prostitution. After the embarrassment of

1023
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 5: Heidiflis running her empire right under their complicit noses was

1024
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 5: made public, LAPD's administrative vice Captain Glenn Ackerman says they

1025
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 5: are waging a full scale war on organized commercial prostitution

1026
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 5: on LA's West Side, adding there will be further shoes

1027
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 5: to fall, a warning to some of the big money

1028
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 5: rustlers whose names had not come out. Ivan naj Out

1029
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 5: on bail for his own pandering charges, retaliates against Heidi

1030
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 5: by leaking what he alleges is a stolen page from

1031
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 5: the Black Book to the New York Post. It runs

1032
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 5: on August sixth and introduces a couple of new names

1033
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 5: to the public. It quote Barry with a phone number

1034
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 5: that leads to producer Barry Josephson's off and a Canton,

1035
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 5: which is allegedly probably Mark Canton, who did Last Action Hero.

1036
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 5: As head of Columbia, Heidi tells the press that the

1037
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 5: page was stolen from her against her will and doctored

1038
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 5: before going to print. It's just an old calendar, she says.

1039
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: My battle isn't going to be in the media. My

1040
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: battle is going to be in court.

1041
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 5: Columbia Pictures parent company Sony, gets dragged into the scandal.

1042
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: Sony higher up, Michael Mickey Schulhoff, rounds up everyone powerful

1043
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 5: at the company in his office one at a time

1044
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 5: and tells them they'll be protected if they confess or

1045
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 5: destroyed if they try to keep any information they have

1046
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 5: about Heidifly and Colombia from him. Sony Columbia make no

1047
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 5: public statement, but the story spreads through legitimate magazines as

1048
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 5: well as tabloids like Wildfire. While the tabloids and newspapers

1049
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 5: openly name Sony and Colombia Pictures as the center of

1050
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 5: the Heidi Fly sex scandal st M, the studio decides

1051
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 5: they will attempt to just wait it out. Peter Goober,

1052
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 5: who runs Sony, demands Nathanson's head on a platter. A

1053
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 5: previously planned corporate retreat becomes a Sony brand strategizing session

1054
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 5: where the decision comes down that they will demote Nathanson

1055
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 5: to the do nothing job of vice president and appoint

1056
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 5: Lisa Henson, a thirty three year old Warner Brothers executive

1057
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 5: who is the daughter of legendary puppeteer Jim Henson, as

1058
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 5: the new head of production at Columbia. This decision had

1059
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 5: supposedly been in the works pre scandal, but the optics

1060
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 5: were clear. Nathansen would be punished for sullying the studio's

1061
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 5: name and reputation, and he would be replaced with a

1062
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 5: woman with clear ties to a clean cut, family oriented brand,

1063
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 5: Jim Henson's muppets.

1064
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 6: The studio orders.

1065
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 5: An internal investigation to cut all the scandal tainted weight

1066
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 5: dropping and blacklisting Yvonne naj just as Heidi had hoped

1067
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 5: they would, even though his pandering charges actually stick. They

1068
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 5: do a budget audit of recent films like Last Action Hero,

1069
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 5: looking for suspicious expenditures. The public announcement is made that

1070
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 5: Lisa Henson will replace Nathan Sen. According to Heidi, Barry, Josephson,

1071
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 5: and Michael Nathanson were not the biggest culprits by any means.

1072
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 5: They were punished to protect other people higher up at

1073
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 5: Sony who were involved with Heidi. People like allegedly John.

1074
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 3: Peters, Barry and Michael were fall guys big time. They

1075
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 3: were both innocent, but they were practically the only ones

1076
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 3: who were, and not just a Columbia at every studio.

1077
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 5: Heidi is out on bail awaiting her court hearing Monday.

1078
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 5: She hires a lawyer named Anthony Brookleier.

1079
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 6: More on him.

1080
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 5: Later, Her lawyer says Heidi has been flooded with offers

1081
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 5: for book and screenplay deals while she awaits her first hearing.

1082
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 5: There's a rumor that a rich Italian man wants to

1083
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 5: buy Heidie's house from her. Newspaper ers make reference to

1084
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 5: leaked recordings that have two high profile producers offering to

1085
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 5: pay for Heidi's legal bills, but they never named the

1086
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 5: producers in question. Heidi tells a reporter she'll sell her

1087
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 5: story to Hollywood for a cool million. Anthony Pelicano continues

1088
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 5: to deny that Nathanson paid Flis for call girls, but

1089
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 5: admits that Ivon Naje did once have a deal in

1090
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety two with Columbia for a movie with Brad

1091
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 5: Wyman producing called Twice Seduced. Pelicano claims the development deal

1092
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 5: had been cabashed and the movie put in turnaround. This

1093
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 5: would mean that von Nage never received any money from

1094
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 5: the studio at all, let alone money that would have

1095
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 5: been in compensation for drugs and escort services.

1096
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 4: I have no involvement in any escort services, no gambling.

1097
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 4: It's another out lie. These are vicious, vindictive people.

1098
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 5: Nag Is let out on a twenty five thousand dollars

1099
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 5: bail and claims complete innocence. He says, other than a

1100
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one book making charge, he pled no contest to.

1101
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 5: He has a perfect angel who has never so much

1102
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 5: as set foot outside the law. Heidi Flie is just

1103
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 5: trying to drag him into her own dirty laundry. Madame

1104
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 5: alex Is overjoyed that Heidi is suffering consequences and offers

1105
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 5: to help the police. The tapes are going to be important.

1106
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 12: Anthony Brooklaer, attorney.

1107
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 5: In law, a private investigator, an FBI informant named Dan

1108
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 5: Hanks has mysterious access to a tape of calls wiretapped

1109
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 5: directly from Heidi's phone. Hanks says he thought he could

1110
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 5: catch Heidi with someone famous and sell photos to one

1111
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 5: of the tabloid news magazine shows like a Current Affair. Instead,

1112
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 5: he ends up with these Heidi tapes of unknown origin.

1113
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 5: Hanks claims that he didn't tap the calls himself, but

1114
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 5: that they mentioned some prominent names. Games Some reporters hear

1115
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,879
Speaker 5: the tape, but no one has the kahonas to actually

1116
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 5: publish the contents, which may have been obtained extra legally.

1117
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 5: Heidi buys the tape herself to use as part of

1118
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 5: her defense. There are some tidbits about these phantom tapes

1119
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 5: in a two thousand and four book written by Andrew

1120
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 5: Whitebart called Insanity Chic in Babylon, The Case against Celebrity.

1121
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 5: Now look the margins between like TMZ and the far

1122
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 5: right are razor. Then I do not vouch for anything,

1123
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 5: Andrew Breitbart says ever obviously, but in this book, he

1124
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 5: claims that a tape existed of Robert Evans and Heidi

1125
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 5: Flice talking about an underage girl who Evans wanted to

1126
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 5: order from. Heidi, referred to in the alleged recordings as

1127
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 5: quote the little Girl you. The book claims that Hanks

1128
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 5: bugged the recordings to sell them to a tabloid, but

1129
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 5: then sold them to Heidi instead. Some people think the

1130
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 5: cops bugging Heidi themselves, and that Hanks was working with

1131
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 5: them or.

1132
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 6: Just hacked the feed.

1133
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 5: It's obviously possible that Heidi was also bugging her own

1134
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 5: clients in case she needed blackmail. The cops didn't find

1135
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 5: the tape at Heidi's house during their police sting because

1136
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 5: Heidi had cleverly hidden it in a VHS box for

1137
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 5: Shirley Temple's nineteen thirty seven movie Heidi Will Her famous

1138
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 5: clients are eager to run away from her in public,

1139
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 5: they all reach out to her.

1140
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 6: Behind the scenes.

1141
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:36,480
Speaker 5: Heidi hears from a laundry list of former clients, rock impresarios, financiers,

1142
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 5: a list actors, producers, directors, and real estate heirs, all

1143
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 5: of whom are eager to express feelty and frustration over

1144
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 5: Heidie's turn in fortunes. All of them are trying their

1145
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 5: hardest to stay on Heidi Fleis's good side.

1146
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 6: Should she be.

1147
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 5: Tempted to start ratting out her powerful clientele.

1148
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 8: I have warned her, you cannot mention John's, not even privately.

1149
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:13,520
Speaker 8: It ruins careers. Alex Fleming Madam.

1150
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 5: A Heidie girl using a pseudonym, tells the La Times

1151
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 5: she was recruited outside a check cashing office on Hollywood

1152
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 5: Boulevard by a man claiming to be a photographer who

1153
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 5: is actually a talent scout for Heidi. A year later,

1154
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 5: the girl who goes by Karen in the story was

1155
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 5: desperate to move out of her mom's apartment and called Heidi,

1156
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 5: who sent her to London on assignment. Karen tells of

1157
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 5: middle aged men and elderly sheikhs who pay for her

1158
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 5: company at fight nights in Vegas and steak dinners at Morton's.

1159
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 5: She recalls being gifted to a famous young actor at

1160
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 5: his birthday party whose name might rhyme with barley Bean.

1161
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 5: Then she quits, But that doesn't fit the LAPDS narrative,

1162
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 5: where prostitution is always dehumanizing and always life ruining. Another

1163
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 5: name comes out of one of the girls who was

1164
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 5: part of the Beverly Hilton bust, Brandy McLain. Brandy starts

1165
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 5: talking to the press.

1166
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:05,480
Speaker 6: Immediately.

1167
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 5: I realized it was illegal, but I never thought anything

1168
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 5: could happen to me.

1169
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:13,839
Speaker 6: Brandy McClain.

1170
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 5: Heidie's habit of spending more than she makes finally comes

1171
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 5: around to get her, as she has no real assets

1172
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 5: when she's arrested. Besides the house, most of the money

1173
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 5: has seemingly gone towards drugs, clothes, and lavish partying at

1174
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 5: the mansion where the rest of the money went. Also,

1175
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 5: the Tower Grove mansion is technically owned by her father,

1176
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 5: Paul Flice, who co signed. This brings Paul Flice, the

1177
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:48,440
Speaker 5: mild mannered pediatrician, into a burgeoning IRS investigation into Heidie's finances.

1178
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 3: My parents were very supportive and left real nice messages

1179
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 3: on my answering machine, but I just told them.

1180
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: To stay away.

1181
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 5: Stress of getting her father involved, letting down the girls

1182
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 5: who trusted her, and the realization that she might really

1183
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 5: be in big fucking trouble now causes Heidi to feel crushing, intense,

1184
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 5: all encompassing guilt, but also anger at those who betrayed

1185
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 5: her and fear at what might happen. Heidi has talked

1186
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 5: her way all to the top, only to hit a

1187
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 5: brick wall that she probably cannot talk her way out of.

1188
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 2: I've been bankrupted. I have no money none.

1189
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 5: Heidi's streams of income have been cut off at the

1190
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 5: moment that she suddenly needs a robust amount of savings

1191
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,879
Speaker 5: to pay for lawyers. But Heidie Flis's name and brand

1192
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 5: have become cultural currency. Her name now more than ever,

1193
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 5: carries cachet, but her life is hell. Four of her

1194
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 5: employees have flipped on her after the bust, or ratting her.

1195
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 6: Out to the cops.

1196
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 5: Late night hosts and magazine headlines make every conceivable. Heidie

1197
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 5: pun Heidi ho jokes about Wendy Washerstein's play The Heidi Chronicles,

1198
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 5: which was coincidentally running in La rep Theaters at the

1199
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 5: time the Heidi fly story broke, leading me personally to

1200
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 5: wrongly believe it was a play about Heidi Flas until

1201
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 5: I finally read it and found out it's about feminism

1202
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 5: in the seventies and eighties, Heidi is saturating the news

1203
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 5: cycle and the glamorous high rolling myth of the Heidi

1204
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 5: Girls has surpassed even the reality, but Heidi Fleis herself isn't.

1205
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 6: Making any money off of it.

1206
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 5: Yet. Next time on Heidi World, Heidi's high end escort

1207
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 5: empire comes crashing down around her in front of the

1208
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 5: entire world when the Los Angeles and Beverly Hills police

1209
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 5: departments decide to team up to make a big show

1210
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 5: of busting her because she refuses to play the game

1211
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 5: and bribe them