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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always looking for an

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Speaker 1: excuse to talk about Philip Rivers. Yeah, I'm Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with my friend

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Speaker 1: Jordan Rodrigue for the first time since got back from Tokyo.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Excited for this show, Excited to welcome one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players that you ever covered.

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Speaker 2: Later on in the show, Luke Keikley will be joining us. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That was a this is your life kind of moment

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Speaker 3: for me watching him pop up on the screen. That

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Speaker 3: dude has not changed at all. He still is so

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Speaker 3: serious and handles everything with such preparation and clarity. It

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Speaker 3: just it's so it was he's like a time capsule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, peek behind the curtain, Like he wanted to know,

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Speaker 1: like does he need to prepare for anything on the show.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, you do, man, do were you're

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Speaker 1: Luke Keikley? But that was that was a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: So we will listen to that a little bit later.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's interesting he's already, you know, going for

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Speaker 1: his second year, potentially being considered for the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: But he's only thirty four years old. Obviously because that

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Speaker 1: early retirement and messes with you. He really is that young.

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Speaker 1: We are going to hit some news at the top

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Speaker 1: as we do. We're going to highlight just five injury situations.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of the news that's happening in these

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Speaker 1: first days of training camp. As we're taping Wednesday, the

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Speaker 1: majority of the league is having their very first practice

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Speaker 1: of training camp on Wednesday. And we also have a

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Speaker 1: little fun kind of inside the show news.

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Speaker 3: I'm wearing a shirt with a smiley face on Smiley Face.

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Speaker 1: It's related to Jordan, So stick around for the end.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Whip Bash for the listener. After a whole episode about

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Speaker 3: death earlier this week, now we're talking about smiley face

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Speaker 3: t shirt.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed the hell out of that conversation.

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Speaker 1: So yes, check out my conversation with Colleen Woolf about

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Speaker 1: the mortality that we all have to face every day,

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Speaker 1: including with our own careers. But first, let's go positive.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to the most positive coach we have love

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Speaker 1: to have, Pete Carroll back in the league, talking about

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Speaker 1: whether people like me are right to be just irrationally

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Speaker 1: exuberant about the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: We got, we win a ton, we win a bunch

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Speaker 4: of games.

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 4: I can't even imagine anything. I haven't winning ten games

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Speaker 4: a year for twenty years or something, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: what are my expectations? We don't win a bunch and

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Speaker 4: I don't care. You know who hears that? I mean,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter to me. It ain't about what anybody hears.

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Speaker 4: It's about what we do.

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Speaker 3: I love him so much, He's just I am all

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Speaker 3: the way in, man. I have been high on the

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Speaker 3: Raiders since John Spytech and Pete Carroll took over shop

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Speaker 3: over there. I am high on the moves that they made,

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Speaker 3: the Gino Smith trade I loved, and I am all

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Speaker 3: the way in. I mean, I know that is a

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Speaker 3: crazy The AFCUS is crazy, like literally like crazy people

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Speaker 3: are coaching these teams. But also, oh my gosh, I'm

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Speaker 3: all the way in on the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: You can't fake belief, and it's really such a tricky

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Speaker 1: thing I think for a young coaches or coaches in

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Speaker 1: general to have, because I truly do believe in the

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Speaker 1: Raiders more because of the way Pete Carroll talks and

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Speaker 1: the way he carries himself and the way he does

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Speaker 1: believe in the way it has worked ten wins a

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Speaker 1: it took a minute to get it going. But I

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Speaker 1: do think that is an intangible, tangible that the belief

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Speaker 1: that he has that's genuine can go across that building

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Speaker 1: and it can actually make a difference. But also, there's

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Speaker 1: only like one peak Carroll. You can't really fake it

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Speaker 1: in like so, I know the secondary doesn't look great

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Speaker 1: they'll overcome it. On the flip side, I feel like

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Speaker 1: the Colts have relatively bad vibes like over the last

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to Chris Ballard, their general manager, talk about

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Speaker 5: Do you think people regret Baker Mayfield's timeline, Sam Darnold's timeline.

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Speaker 2: Let's just go.

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Speaker 5: Exactly and so how about a little Sometimes you gotta

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Speaker 5: you just know this guy, no he can't do it.

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Speaker 5: But if you think, hey, he's on the right trajectory,

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Speaker 3: Okay. The first thing that when we were going over

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Speaker 3: this sound before the show, the first thing both of

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Speaker 3: really developmental coaching. But I do appreciate someone, does my

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Speaker 3: colleague get the athletic James Boyd does try to say

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Speaker 2: Does anyone regret it?

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Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, two teams, the Browns with Babe

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Speaker 3: At the point was attempted and he goes exactly, but

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Speaker 3: it's like, no, no, that's not what he was. That's

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Speaker 3: you're disagreeing with the point while agreeing with yourself. It's

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Speaker 3: just oh Man Dower comes to mind. Dower are the

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Speaker 1: It's a difficult situation because I think Chris Ballard and

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Speaker 3: And so toolsy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also think the team is the one that has

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Speaker 2: But his floor is higher than Daniel Jones's ceiling almost.

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Speaker 3: I really it's interesting because I do feel like this

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Speaker 3: But this is going to get complicated between what the

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Speaker 1: I also believe Brian Dabole that Russell Wilson is the

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Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson will definitely be the starter. I get that,

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Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin is not at training camp. Just kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like a few things about what how the

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Speaker 3: Bucks have handled this. Obviously they're giving him as much

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Speaker 3: to watch grim last year, and then I sort of

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Speaker 3: his back pay for out producing the previous contract. Great

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Speaker 3: point he was also working on. He's a franchise face

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Speaker 3: like the team building that they've done, not basically holding

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Speaker 3: This is still one of the deepest and best receiving

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Speaker 3: not always a bad thing when key players join the

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Speaker 3: team late. If you think you're a team that's going

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Speaker 3: to make a postseason run because you're fresh in November

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Speaker 3: when you come.

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Speaker 1: Back, that's fair. It's just with that big of an injury,

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Speaker 1: you just hope for the best. Because he's one of

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Speaker 1: his last ACL He didn't really look like Chris Godwin,

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Speaker 4: Thankful for the most sixteen years and for and trusting

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Speaker 2: And certainly never took it for granted. No, keep fighting,

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Speaker 1: in that video too. It's getting a little misty up

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Speaker 1: in Santa Monica me watching that. One of my favorite

436
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Speaker 1: players and I think one of the most underrated players

437
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: of his generation.

438
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I have some longtime friends who are

439
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: San Diego Chargers fans who were San Diego Chargers fans

440
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 3: who have been disappointed for a couple of years just

441
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: about everything, the move and all of that. But one

442
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: thing everyone can agree on is Philip Rivers and the

443
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: fact that the team and himself collaborated on this, the

444
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 3: fact that they're practicing in San Diego in the Harbaugh regime.

445
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: You know, it speaks quietly and also loudly of the

446
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 3: efforts that are trying. They're trying to do as an

447
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: organization and as a team. And Philip Rivers is like

448
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: this universal. I mean, I could listen to every single

449
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 3: micd up of him that's ever existed. I could listen

450
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: to him read the dictionary as long as he sprinkled

451
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: in his version of expletives gosh, golly all darn.

452
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Speaker 1: And one of the And I love all that about

453
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: him too, And we're going to go to break with

454
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Speaker 1: him actually kind of talking about some of that trash stock.

455
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Speaker 2: I love that.

456
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Speaker 1: But also just the way he played football I think

457
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: brought people in. I mean, I don't think he was

458
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: a gun slinger, because I don't think he made He

459
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: wasn't reckless, but with that throwing motion to be as

460
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: vertical a quarterback as he was, he is still one

461
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: of the all time leaders in NFL history in yards

462
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Speaker 1: per attempt And he's going to be up for the

463
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame soon and like, if Eli Manning makes

464
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: it ahead of Philip Rivers, I'll go insane because at

465
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: every single point, in every single year of their career,

466
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Speaker 1: the entire NFL would have taken Philip Rivers over Eli Manning,

467
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: and Philip Rivers got MVP votes a couple of times

468
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Speaker 1: he was top five quarterback.

469
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Speaker 3: I would say, never miss Ames.

470
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Speaker 1: I did the QB Index and stuff, and he was

471
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Speaker 1: very often a top five quarterback throughout his career, probably

472
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Speaker 1: six seven, eight years of his career, which to me

473
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Speaker 1: is not you know, stamp him into the hall right away,

474
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: but it means it's a guy that will probably get

475
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: there and should get there eventually, and was certainly a

476
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Speaker 1: better player than Eli Manning.

477
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm just saying.

478
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Speaker 1: And when he pointed out and it is one of

479
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Speaker 1: the things they lost moving from San Diego. The atmosphere

480
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: and what he remembers is riding down that hill into

481
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Speaker 1: Qualcomm and the parking lot San Diego charges fans used

482
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Speaker 1: to get grief. It was one of the best atmospheres

483
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: in the entire You would smell they would be tailgating

484
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: the entire day. You would smell that food. You would

485
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: smell that weed and it was just thousands and thousands

486
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: of people and it was an incredible atmosphere. And they're

487
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: essentially renting this Sofi stadium and that's one thing they've

488
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: they've really lost, and I think was really unfortunate. I

489
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: don't think that should be lost either. So when Rivers

490
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Speaker 1: said that, that really stuck with me because I was

491
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Speaker 1: at one of the last games, last couple games at

492
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Speaker 1: Qualcomm and it was just awesome happen.

493
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Speaker 3: And let's be clear, he is a San Diego Charger

494
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Speaker 3: until the end. Because this. I know I'm not the

495
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: only one cares about this, but sometimes it feels like

496
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: these little gestures just get so lost in are just

497
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 3: collective zeitgeist and all the things that happened all the time,

498
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: But the class with which he showed the local newspaper

499
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: people that covered him for so many years for the

500
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Speaker 3: San Diego Union Tribune. He announced his first retirement to

501
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: the local columnist who had covered him for so long,

502
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 3: been in the trenches, watched him grow up, essentially Kevin Ace,

503
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: and I will never forget that that was a big

504
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: moment for somebody of that platform to go to the

505
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: local people versus the national platforms to announce something that significant.

506
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: It just that homy vibe that Philip Rivers always had,

507
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: that like that locality. I feel like it was just

508
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: a big part of who he was.

509
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Speaker 1: Great dude, I almost kind of forget he was an

510
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: LA charger taking the you know, the trip up to

511
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: up the four h five and through some big time

512
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: touchdowns to Mike Williams, who just retired this week. I

513
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: remember in that game against Kansas City in Arrowhead. We

514
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: will be back on the other side of the break

515
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: with lou Keikley. But yeah, let's first listen on the

516
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: way out to Rivers talking a little trash good night.

517
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: There's some clips that I'll look at and just shake

518
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Speaker 1: my head.

519
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: Gord I go dang hounds.

520
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: A lot of fun.

521
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm just having fun. Yeah, is there an edginess to it?

522
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: You know?

523
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: Are you trying to get under the skin of the opponent?

524
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 5: Of course?

525
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: Is there someone who is just a lot of fun?

526
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Speaker 5: Number fourteen, Luke Keickley.

527
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Speaker 1: Yick to top ten, third five, right side AJ one.

528
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: There's little Chickle up there.

529
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: That's little Chicky, very quiet, goes onto the field, flips

530
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 5: the switch, won't it thy?

531
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Speaker 6: Alright?

532
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm all over him. Hey, we gotta go now shut.

533
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 7: Ain't nobody know you? Third and three and here the

534
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 7: comments kick Lee who gets them back at the.

535
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: Nine favorite blitz shit in.

536
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: These linebackers open side and Luke Keighley just so fast.

537
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: Luke Keith clep.

538
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Speaker 7: He reminds me of Peyton Manning, guy that is totally prepared,

539
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 7: that is going to know what's going to happen before

540
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 7: it takes place because he has studied so much. On

541
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Speaker 7: second down, Rombo looking to throw has time, sings it

542
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 7: and it's.

543
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: Intercepted at the thirty eight yard line. Keith Lee has it.

544
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Speaker 6: He's gonna go into the house.

545
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: HiT's the second pick six of the game for the

546
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Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers.

547
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Speaker 1: Yes, my choice as the number fourteen player of the

548
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Speaker 1: last twenty five years. The great linebacker of the Carolina Panthers,

549
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Speaker 1: Luke Keighley is joining the show. And Luke, you've been

550
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: out of the game now for five years. I'm sure

551
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: you're not thinking at the time. You know, when you're

552
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: winning Defensive Player of the Year in your second year

553
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: and you're making these big plays and leady a super

554
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: bowlun like I hope I get on a list in

555
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: five years on some podcasts that might beat writer Jordan

556
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: Rodriguez on but you were on that list, and can

557
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: you at least look back and maybe not about the list,

558
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: but but enjoy the body of work that you put

559
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: out there as a player back then.

560
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes me feel It makes me feel old.

561
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 7: You feel like you just got out of the NFL

562
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 7: and it's it's been five full years. I'm going into

563
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 7: year six being out and it's, Uh, you watched those

564
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 7: videos and you're like, man, I looked so.

565
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 6: Young in those pictures. But h man, it was. It

566
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 6: was so fun I had. I had.

567
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Speaker 7: That's the thing that I tell everybody is I had

568
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 7: so much fun playing the game of football. I loved

569
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 7: being in Carolina. I loved Ron Rivera, all the guys

570
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 7: in our team we were super close with, and it

571
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 7: was a special time for me. It was a special

572
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 7: time for my family, and I think I was just

573
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 7: so fortunate to have the opportunity to play in Carolina

574
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 7: for that team, for that organization, inside of that defense.

575
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 6: I think it really helped me during my career.

576
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Luke, I remember my first day, you know,

577
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: scared out of my mind by the way young journalists,

578
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 3: young be going into this team of absolute superstars. And

579
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: I was talking to your pal JJ Jansen last week.

580
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 3: He's still going somehow, I mean, long snapper and linebacker

581
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: a little bit different, but somehow he's the iron Man still.

582
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: And just to me, you seemed so veteran at that time,

583
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: and yeah, you'd been in the league for a while.

584
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: We were the same age, but you seemed beyond anything

585
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: I could even comprehend because of the level that you

586
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: were playing at and because of how everybody in that

587
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: locker room respected you, but you were able to cut

588
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: loose with them and vibe with them a little bit too.

589
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: I remember the first day I walked in, music was

590
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: playing Tolbert. I think had brought the boombox in. Yeah,

591
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: it just those days were so much fun, and it's

592
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: cool that you remember him that way.

593
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, we had such a good group, and I think

594
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 7: that's really what it came down to. And I got

595
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 7: into the locker room as a twenty one year old player.

596
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 7: Our best players were our best guys, and you know,

597
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 7: you look at the older guys in the team that

598
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 7: we're just our dudes were Steve and Jordan Gross, and

599
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 7: then that middle tier group of guys that I really

600
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 7: grew up behind and learned from and modeled my game after.

601
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 7: You know, you look in my room, it was Thomas

602
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 7: and then Charles Johnson, and then you know, on the

603
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 7: offense side of the ball was Greg and Khalil and

604
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 7: Stu and we just always had really good veteran guys

605
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 7: and beasts. Was in that room. You know, my first

606
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 7: couple of years in the linebacker room, you saw what

607
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 7: it looked like. Not only did I have success on

608
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 7: the field, but you saw what it looked like to

609
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 7: handle yourself correctly off the field as well, and in

610
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 7: meetings in the locker room with the media in public.

611
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 7: And so when I got into the NFL, it's like, hey, look,

612
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 7: I want to have success like John Beeson and Thomas

613
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 7: Davis on the field, and you know, I'm going to

614
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 7: watch how they practice, how they prepare, And then you know,

615
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 7: you get in the locker room and you look around

616
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 7: the locker room. You know, guys like Thomas with his charity,

617
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 7: and you know Greg Olsen is what he does with

618
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 7: the heart, with his with his foundation.

619
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 6: It's just unbelievable what they're able to do.

620
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 7: And you say, hey, I want to be a lot

621
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 7: like those guys, and what can I do to to emulate.

622
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I kind of want to get into, like what made

623
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: you know you stand out as a player, because I

624
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting in that clip to hearing Tony

625
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: Dungee said, you're like a Peyton manning on the defensive side.

626
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: Obviously like your speed, speeding explosiveness, they pop, but it

627
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: felt like watching you sometimes you were half a step

628
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: ahead with what a broadcaster we'll call instincts. But I

629
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of preparation goes into that. So maybe

630
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: like walk through for a listener what it took preparation

631
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: wise to to get to that point.

632
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 7: I think a lot of it started when I was

633
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 7: in high school. So when I was in high school,

634
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 7: or head coach Steve Spet he's actually still coaching there now,

635
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 7: won a bunch of state championships throughout his time at

636
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 7: Saint Xavior.

637
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 6: He would bring guys in during lunch and we'd go

638
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 6: bring our luncheon.

639
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 7: To the to his office and he'd put on an

640
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 7: old v HS tape And now I'm sounding old, but

641
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 7: you put a VHS tape on or a DVD or

642
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 7: whatever it was, and we'd watch the team that we're

643
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 7: getting ready to play against. And when you're in high school,

644
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 7: you don't really know what you're doing. You don't know

645
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 7: what you're looking at. But every once in a while,

646
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 7: SPEC would be like, Hey, look like this is one

647
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 7: of their top concepts. This is what defense I anticipate

648
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 7: us being in. Would just talk through responsibilities, run fits,

649
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 7: pass responsibilities, where we need to be. So then the

650
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 7: game would roll around and you know, you'd be like, wow,

651
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 7: like here's that. Here's what Speck was talking about. And

652
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 7: a lot of times for me early on, I know

653
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 7: what happened after the play was over, so the play

654
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 7: would happen, I'd be like, oh, man, that was that

655
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 7: play that he was talking about. But then what it

656
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 7: did teach you was, hey, if I prepared during the

657
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 7: week and I'm prepared to pre snap and I know

658
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 7: what's going to happen, I can be one step ahead.

659
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 7: So I wasn't very good at putting it all together

660
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 7: as a young freshman or you know, young high school kid.

661
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 7: But then when you got the college, then it's all

662
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 7: digital and I can sort everything. I can sort you know,

663
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 7: personnel groupings down in distance situations, who's in.

664
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 6: The game, all of that stuff.

665
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 7: And I had an older guy that I learned from

666
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 7: named Wes Davis that was a big tape guy, and

667
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 7: he did the same thing that spected, Hey, here's a look,

668
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 7: here's a play, here's a formation. This is how we're

669
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 7: going to be lined up on the defense side of

670
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 7: the ball. This is what we need to do to

671
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 7: be to have success. So then I really kind of

672
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 7: learned it from a young age, and then going into

673
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 7: in the college, I had access to way more information

674
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 7: and data and you know, resources, and I learned a

675
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 7: lot from Wes, and then I took that as a

676
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 7: freshman through my sophomore, in my junior year, and then

677
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 7: when I got to Carolina, it was just I was

678
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 7: just continuing to try to refine my pre pregame routine

679
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 7: and my preparation and I think we always talked about

680
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 7: what how are you able to differentiate yourself before the

681
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 7: ball gets snapped and you know, rest recovery, are you

682
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 7: in good shape, you are you healthy? And then you know,

683
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 7: obviously this one the preparation side of where do I

684
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 7: need to be, where do I fit inside the defense?

685
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 7: And then ultimately what is the offense trying to do

686
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 7: to us?

687
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, including, by the way, preparation to the point where

688
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: I remember the story Ron Rivera likes to tell where

689
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: he made you go home on Christmas because you are

690
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: the only one with the light on in the tape room.

691
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, no one.

692
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 6: My parents weren't town you saw.

693
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, longer as much time as you can get, Luke.

694
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: When as you're in the league, you know, because in

695
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: part of defense is like yours and and like what

696
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: you guys were able to do in Carolina, the league

697
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: started changing faster than ever, and these coaches of these

698
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: younger coaching trees started coming up and taking from you know,

699
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: the Shanahan's, the mcvays, from the older patrons of that

700
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: offense and trying to like literally move you because and

701
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: other talented and signed linebackers because of what you were

702
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: so able to do and how you're able to affect

703
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: the game and all of these pre snap motions and

704
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: at snap motions and these shifts and these formations started

705
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: really taking over and changing offense faster than ever. So

706
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: how did you surf that wave? Because preparation was always

707
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: such a gift of yours and understanding the cycles and

708
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: the philosophical shifts of the league when it starts moving

709
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: faster than ever for somebody who is the quarterback of

710
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: the defense, how did you try to keep defenses from

711
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: being reactive and more so assertive.

712
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 6: I think we always.

713
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 7: Thought about was we need to have our feet set

714
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 7: when the ball is snapped right, So, you know, you

715
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 7: look at you referenced all these guys, the Shanahans and mcveigh's,

716
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 7: La Floors and McDaniels, Ben Johnson in Chicago now and

717
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 7: the list goes on with you know, there's a pre

718
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 7: snap shift and then there's a motion and then on

719
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 7: the when the ball is snapped.

720
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 6: Like you said, you nailed it.

721
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 7: What they're trying to do is get guys moving sideways

722
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 7: pre snap, and when the ball gets snapped.

723
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 6: They're not able to get downhill right away.

724
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 7: So what we always talked about was, you know, what

725
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 7: is the final formation off of this motion? So once

726
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 7: that guy goes in motion, get to your new alignment immediately,

727
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 7: get your feet set, put your eyes on your new key,

728
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 7: and go. I think when people get in trouble is

729
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 7: they they're following this jet motion and they're moving sideways

730
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 7: and they're high and their feet aren't set and they're

731
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 7: looking at the wrong thing, and then the ball gets

732
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 7: snapped and their eyes are on the wrong key and

733
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 7: they have a they're slow to pick up you know

734
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 7: what the play concept might be.

735
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 6: So our thought process always.

736
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 7: Was get aligned, get set, have our feet in the ground,

737
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 7: and be able to put our foot in the ground

738
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 7: and get vertical and get downhill right.

739
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: Like watching some of the tape that we're showing if

740
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: you're watching us on YouTube, is a lot of look

741
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: Eegley in coverage, and I think that is what you

742
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: symbolized for a lot of people watching the game, was

743
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: this new type of linebacker. It was almost a transition

744
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: back when the other linebacker on this list, ray Lewis,

745
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: was playing from run stopping as your primary objective too.

746
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: You have to be able to read.

747
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: The keys in coverage and that was obviously a strength

748
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: of yours. Like when you look at the game today

749
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: and even back when you were doing it, kind of

750
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: what were the keys to being a complete linebacker that

751
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: can survive because it's become one of the toughest positions. Luke,

752
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen in the NFL where now there's

753
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: only one of you on the field a lot of

754
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: the times because it's so hard for linebackers to survive

755
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: in that part of the game and coverage.

756
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 7: I think, you know, I think I'm gonna go back

757
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 7: to the scheme. You know, I've talked a lot about

758
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 7: scheme in Carolina. And the one guy that allowed me

759
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 7: to do what I did really well, which was I

760
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 7: felt like I was better in past coverage. We had

761
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 7: a really good blitzing linebacker and Thomas Datus And that

762
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 7: was the big thing for me that was super helpful.

763
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 6: Was I rather playing coverage and Thomas rather pressure.

764
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 7: And our coaches understood that and knew that and weren't

765
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 7: too proud to say, you know what you like doing that,

766
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 7: TV like doing this, let's kind of make it work.

767
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 6: So I think I think that helped me a lot.

768
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 7: And then, you know, the one thing when you get

769
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 7: line when you play inside linebacker, especially early in my career,

770
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 7: you get matched up on tight ends a lot. You know,

771
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 7: you're on tight ends, you're on the number three receiver,

772
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff is going over the middle of

773
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 7: the field, and you know, we always had we always

774
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 7: had Greg And so you're in OTAs and training camp

775
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 7: and I always trained with Greg in the offseason, and

776
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 7: to have somebody like Greg that you got to practice

777
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 7: against who was the best tight end in the NFL.

778
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 7: He could do everything he could. He was vertically fast,

779
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 7: he had great feel in zone coverage, he knew how

780
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 7: to get open in small places. But then he can

781
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 7: also be in line and block and you wouldn't come

782
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 7: out of the game. You got you got a really

783
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 7: good feel at least you know, we did on the

784
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 7: defense side of the ball for what a real tight

785
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 7: end looks like, what it feels like. A guy that

786
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 7: not only physically can do it, but mentally was way

787
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 7: above everybody else. So I think that helped me a

788
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 7: lot as well, was just having the opportunity to practice

789
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 7: against a really good player in Greg my whole career.

790
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 7: And then, like I said, Thomas was the pressure guy,

791
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 7: so I could sit back and coverage and let Thomas

792
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 7: go do his thing.

793
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for just hearing who were like the

794
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: toughest guys to go against. So you had Greg Olsen

795
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: in practice, but you mentioned you're always lined up against

796
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: tight ends who were some of the toughest that you

797
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: had to face. Between a tight end and a quarterback,

798
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: while we're here.

799
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I you know, tight ends and quarterback.

800
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 7: I think I'm going to kind of go to a

801
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 7: different direction. I thought Marshawn Lynch at the running back.

802
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, was as big of a challenge.

803
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 7: I felt like that we had on a consistent basis.

804
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 7: Obviously they were not a division opponent of us. Obviously

805
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 7: they're an NFC team, but we played them pretty much

806
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 7: every year and sometimes twice a year in the playoffs.

807
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 7: When I was playing in Carolina and he was so

808
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 7: he hit so many natural physical abilities from I felt

809
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 7: how he was built to his power, in his speed

810
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 7: and how he ran the ball. He was kind of wide.

811
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 7: He had a very wide base, and it allowed him

812
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 7: to get very lateral very quickly. He could sink down

813
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 7: in his hips, so he could change direction really well.

814
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 7: He had great bursts, but he could also put his

815
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 7: shoulder down and run right through. So it was one

816
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 7: of those guys where you had to really be smart

817
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 7: with how you attacked him and what angle you attacked him,

818
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 7: because if he got you head up, he had so

819
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 7: many tools in his pocket that he could do. He

820
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 7: could put his head down and run through you. He

821
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 7: could slow speed you down slow. You know, he could

822
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 7: slow down, speed up, He could put a stiff arm

823
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 7: in your chest and push you away or just run

824
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 7: away from you. So and he was built so physically

825
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 7: strong and thick and dense, and he and he ran

826
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 7: with an edge, and he was a fun guy to

827
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 7: play against. But when you when you played against Marshawn Lynch,

828
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 7: You're like, man, I better buckle it up, because this

829
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 7: is a real running back.

830
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think those were some of the most underrated,

831
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: like became a rivalry. Really not a lot of people

832
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: talk about that. Everyone talks about divisions and conferences that,

833
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: but you guys in the Carolina and the Seahawks, I mean,

834
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 3: the trash talk was unreal leading up to those games

835
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: and in those games, and the energy was insane.

836
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: Luke.

837
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: I know we're running on time here. But when I

838
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: covered you, I did a story about you and fly

839
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: fishing and your hobby and one of your passions, and

840
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 3: you said something that I have never forgotten and it

841
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: broke my heart at the time listening to it because

842
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 3: it was so real about what your life was like

843
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: at that time. And for those listeners who don't know

844
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: fly fishing is such a meticulous craft and you are

845
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: natural for Luke because you study so much about the

846
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: movement of the river and the movement of the patterns

847
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: of the ecosystem around you. And you have to tie

848
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: your own flies, and the real fly fishermen tie their

849
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: own flies. But you told me, and this crushed me,

850
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: that you couldn't tie your own flies during football season

851
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: because your hands were so messed up. It killed me.

852
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: I've never forgotten it about the physicality and the sheer

853
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: dedication to year craft have to ask, can you finally

854
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 3: tie your own flies?

855
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: And do you still tell you what?

856
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: You know?

857
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 6: What?

858
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 7: It's whatever you said? Five six years out, I feel

859
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 7: pretty dagon good. Announced there's not much that I can't

860
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 7: do physically, which is hopefully stays that way for a

861
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 7: long time.

862
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

863
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: And yeah, as we mentioned, you're you're on the show

864
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: in park, you know because you and Jordan have a

865
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: history together, but mostly because, yeah, you were on this list.

866
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: So let's let's put up the list here for a second.

867
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: You were.

868
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: You were number fourteen on our list. I mentioned like

869
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: the the other linebacker on the list was was ray

870
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Lewis there up there at eight? I got a lot

871
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: I got heat from Panthers fans.

872
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: He's not high enough. Kickley's got to be higher. And

873
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: then some people are like, he got.

874
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: Heat for me, Luke, he's not high at us.

875
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: You don't have to admit Jordan had had nothing to

876
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: do with the making of this list. I said, don't,

877
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: don't falter, but that that's pretty great. I mean, it's

878
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: tough when you have all time legends, you have Hall

879
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: of famers ahead of you and and behind you. I know, uh,

880
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: you will be a finalist for the Hall of Fame

881
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: this year. The way it works now, they revealed you

882
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: were in the top seven last year, so you're automatically

883
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: a finalist this year.

884
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: So we wish you luck.

885
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: And to me, this isn't even greater honor than the

886
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame there, Luke, So congratulations.

887
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: My god, this is what I deal with.

888
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: Luke.

889
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: Come on now, this is come.

890
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: On, like, appreciate you coming on the show. Thanks Luke.

891
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks guys, thanks again to the great Luke Keigley.

892
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: And before we say goodbye to this show, I want

893
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: to announce something I'm very excited about that Jordan Rodrieg

894
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: is not only going to be back with NFL, daily

895
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: for another season, but is going to be with us

896
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: more often in an expanded role. Like you wanted more,

897
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: Jordan rodrig you got her. She will be part of

898
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: the show. We're hoping three times a week all season long.

899
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm really excited.

900
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 3: Please don't tell me yes.

901
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: So congrats. I'm really excited. It's one of the things.

902
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: Obviously, we've been talking about this a long time, our

903
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: vision for the show, and I look at it as

904
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: our vision, you having a a big.

905
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Voice in that.

906
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: I just I'm grateful. I mean, I feel like, I mean,

907
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 3: the first day on the show kind of out of nowhere,

908
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: being you know, at you calling me asking if I

909
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: could help out, and me thinking it was just going

910
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: to be a short term thing, and crying, and of

911
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: course becoming the person that feels all the things all

912
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: the time on the show. I just I've learned so

913
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: much and I like working with you because, first of all,

914
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: you're so supportive, and you're such an advocate, and you

915
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: say you said recently, you said recently on the show

916
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: you're trying to get better at taking compliments. So this

917
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: is a test for you here. I mean, you changed

918
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: my life, honestly, and I've said that to you before,

919
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: and I never thought I could get an opportunity to

920
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: do this in this studio. That means a great deal

921
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: to me to sit in and to sit in more

922
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: frequently than I was last season. And I just want

923
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: to keep getting better, and I want to keep sharing

924
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: with people how much love I have for football and

925
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 3: how much joy I find in even the mundane, tiny

926
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: details of football. And I want to thank you and

927
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: and the folks that I heard, and NFL media and

928
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: everybody's been so invested in helping me get better. And

929
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: I just want to keep growing.

930
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: And we're going to do that. It's going to be

931
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: onwards and upwards and kind of related to that. Yeah,

932
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Jordan's on the show Thursday, so get used to.

933
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: Oh I'm going to sit right between you and Bridge

934
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: at Condon.

935
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're having really.

936
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: Wilt in my chair as they trained. It'll be fine,

937
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: Northeast Bostonian insults.

938
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. Yes, we're going to talk a little

939
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: bit on Thursday show. Of course, update you with all

940
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: the news, but we're also introducing you to the corridor

941
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: of insert look when when we're getting a big contract

942
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: sign not just the NFL teams to start training cam Man.

943
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: You know football is back pumped. Jordan's gotta be with

944
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: us three times a week.