WEBVTT - 5. You Guys Are Not Serious 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:13.600 Hey, can you don't your visit? Can you hear me? Andy? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.440 Yes, I hear you can hear It's May twenty fourteen, 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.360 and one the Colombian is calling Andy georg Escu in 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:27.960 Los Angeles. Andy's told Wan that his guy Flavio has 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.240 found someone to assist in getting weapons. He suggests they 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:36.400 all meet Juan, Flavio and Andy in Italy to square 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:41.440 away the deal. One is excited about this prospect, and 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.600 he tells Andy that he sent an updated, expanded list 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.360 of weapons that he wants to buy. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.919 Okay, go ahead, all right, I send you are a 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.640 note on the Skype. I'll tell you the list, okay, okay, 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:54.240 So is there? 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:54.800 All right? 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.440 All right, I should be home tomorrow night. I call 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:08.640 you when I get there. Okay, we'll still right, yeah, okay. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:07.600 All right. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.880 Well I'm done and I'm leaving the day after I 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:15.080 talked to a little more. All right, okay, brother, take 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.319 it out. Let me know if any questions please, it's important. 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:23.320 However, take you by a right all right phone call 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:28.160 and your Jesus at five or three pm follow in 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.319 time on Tuesday. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:30.479 By six two and. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:36.760 Fourteen, one in Colombia stops the recorder he's about to 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.640 fly halfway across the world to meet with Andy and Flavia, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:48.840 or at least that's what he thinks. I'm Trevor Aronson 0:01:49.120 --> 0:02:08.160 from Western Sound and I Heart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys, 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:28.320 Episode five. You guys are not serious. What I'm about 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.880 to tell you is the most expensive example of gaslighting 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:40.160 I've ever heard. A week after that phone call you heard, 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.400 a couple of minutes ago, Juan flies to Rome along 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:48.080 with two of his Colombian colleagues. Andy and Wan had 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.600 been talking about this arms deal for two years at 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:55.680 this point, and now it seems it's finally going to happen. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.120 The day before they're scheduled to meet, Juan is in 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.320 a hotel room rum and he calls Andy. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.519 All right, so are you going tomorrow? 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:07.720 I'm waiting. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.120 I still didn't give the stuff to get care. Come 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.880 on tomorrow. I'm the only one that I can go to. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:16.240 The one up money for. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:22.800 The guys just's available tomorrow. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:23.320 But that's. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.000 There to get someone, I'm trying to get somebody to 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:29.840 come the word. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.800 Okay, let me ask you this, let me let's send 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:36.800 let's be sending see it to each other. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.040 What is going on? Are you gonna comply with me? Man, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.160 don't let me down. Please, No, I'm. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:43.840 Not letting you down. 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:52.480 What Andy is saying it's bizarre. He'd promise Wan he'd 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.280 be in Italy. Now he's saying something about Abu Dhabi, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:03.120 but Andy says, don't worry, Flavio is still coming. So 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.560 he gives one Flavio's number. A couple of days past, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:13.960 one calls and calls, and all he gets is Flavio's voicemail. 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.360 To strug You make me up name, a phone number 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.320 and a police message, and I'll count at you as 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:22.240 soon as possible. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.320 Thank you, Flavio. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:30.320 Vermoning is one as have your message on your UK number, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.200 But Anne says for me to call you on this 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.039 number as well. When on your phone call so we 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.800 can plan a meeting tomorrow. First thing Flavio give me 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.680 a call back is now Wednesday, eight o'clock am in Rome. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:45.720 Thank you. Right. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.080 Consider this from one's perspective. He boarded a flight in 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.320 Colombia with two revolutionaries from the jungle. There are no 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.680 direct flights from Bogata to Rome with one or two layovers. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.440 Wan and his colleagues are looking at about twenty four 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.080 hours of travel time in a six hour time difference. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.800 They land, they take a taxi from the airport, They 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.440 check into a hotel. They shower with you know, those 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.760 tiny bars of soap, and they're no doubt exhausted. And 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.240 now that they're here in Rome, they discover Andy and 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:29.080 Flavio aren't. Wan calls Andy and he's frustrated. He's done 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.919 his part and now he doesn't know what's happening. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.320 Yes, Andy, I call him and no call by I 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.440 know you about to go to sleep, or please call him. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.640 I ask him to call me, otherwise we're gonna waste 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:42.440 Wednesday as well. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:43.680 And this I need to live. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:51.000 I don't know that the culture several folk, I mean's 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.080 all possible. Face So he'll get it and he'll call 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.600 you don't he will coach. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.599 It's tough to hear. But Andy says he doesn't know 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.680 what's happening. Maybe Flavio fell asleep. But don't worry, he 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:09.600 sures Wan, Flavio is going to call, all right. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:10.440 I want to wait for it. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.360 Do you probably want to call him as well? Because 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.640 you know the time goes by today ways at the 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.040 morning Stursday, we're running out of the time. Yeah, no, no, no, 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:26.159 we're not okay, brother, see you later. Way calls on 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:32.240 the fourteenth of Fight twenty fourteen Local time is uh 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.960 a fifty am in drome read Daly. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.320 That call ended at eight fifty am. As you heard 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:44.799 Wan state, it was recorded by eight pm. Flavio still 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:49.880 hasn't called him, and so Wan called Andy again. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.039 And the and the Andy. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:57.400 You don't kill him, brother, you call. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:00.599 I never called. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.200 Maybe he's playing or something. But he's supposed to flight 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:04.839 yesterday life. Maybe he's sleeping. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:05.400 I don't know what. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.840 He didn't call you. You called me back just to 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:08.920 get get that stuff. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.960 Only you gotta listen, listen to this straight. There's no 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.520 one who's can tell me. So I don't, I don't. 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.200 I can't hang around. I'm just gonna leave. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.520 And then it's okay, don't Probably if you couldn't make 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.160 it this time, you'll make it the next time around. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:23.320 Just be honest with me. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.440 Correct, But I'm very honest. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.880 Again, from Want's perspective, he's been talking to Andy for 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.160 two years. Finally this mysterious Flavio guy is going to 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.560 help him get his weapons. But now the moment of 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:46.200 truth and nothing. Then again from Andy's perspective, this Colombian 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.360 guy has been putting up with his delays for a 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.640 very long time, a surprising amount of time. What's a 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.880 few more hours. And he's like, come on, man, I 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:01.000 told you Flavio is on his way. He's coming from London. Basically, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.600 sip on an espresso and wait, but I know he 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:06.560 went back to London. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.400 Well, let me let me tell you this tomorrow. It's 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.840 only so many hours. We're gonna meet from end of 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.880 the morning, having them look at night. Then I gotta 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.240 go to sleep because I need to be out there 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.119 for on the wee hours of the morning. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.320 We all have I have. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.760 These people with me. They're not with me right now, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.200 but I have to have them visit that it's not 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.280 your fault. Otherwise again, they want to think that you're 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:32.720 full of it. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.960 I have these people with me, while tells Andy, referring 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.319 to the two Colombian colleagues who joined him on the 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:47.440 trip to Rome. If Andy or Andy's friend Flavio doesn't 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.640 show up, they're going to think you're full of it. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.679 In other words, this could kill any potential for a deal. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.800 One informs Andy that if he wants the salvage things. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.200 He's gotta find this I Flavio, and that has to 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.760 happen very soon. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:07.720 I totally understand. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:08.679 No, No, that's I mean. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.880 Going down find the guy called me in a three 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.040 way and we can talk. Please, Okay, all right, okay, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.800 I see you the next morning. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:26.079 Flavio still hasn't called, so Wan calls Andy yet again. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.240 He needs to call me now. I'll leave it in 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.120 the hotel. I leave it in the hotel at seven 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:31.640 in the morning. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.280 Okay, No, you don't want to come by seven talk 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.559 about I won't call him right now doing this number two, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.040 the other number they're still got work, don't gonna work. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.280 I think he's out all time, out of money. Okay, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.160 all right, see if you can't hold me now, I 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:50.079 don't mind, but I have one more jump on the showery. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:57.079 All right, another day passes. Wan is now supposed to 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.880 fly out of Rome in hours. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:11.480 Then hello, hello, Flavio, what's going on? 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.840 This is the moment Wan's been waiting for. Juan and 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:39.520 Flavio are finally talking more after the break this international 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:46.600 arms deal. It's not exactly going smoothly. Juan is scheduled 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.280 the flat of Rome in just a few hours, and 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.000 he's finally talking to Flavio, who was supposed to meet 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.679 in person with one days ago. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.800 You know, like all the time when you're living a message, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.680 I just shoot the number without the area for it. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.360 I didn't know how can I die? I'd say it 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:10.240 was trying try. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:12.840 Yeah. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.280 Flavia's excuse for not calling is that he couldn't see 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.960 a properly formatted number on a Smith's calls. One is 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.920 audibly skeptical. Uh huh, he. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.479 Says, where are you now? 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:35.320 Right now, I'm in London and just finally I got 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.440 a guy which she wants to It's from Mania. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.400 Flavia is referring to someone who can actually sell the 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.160 weapons to one. He's got a guy now, apparently. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:48.800 Well, let me ask you. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.160 I understand you were in New York this week according 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.800 to your concert to Andy. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:01.520 Oh One consistently refers to Flavio and Andy cousins. They 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:06.679 aren't related, but neither Andy nor Flavio bothers to correct him. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.680 I already came on, spending a week here waiting for 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.920 so one to show up, and no one show up. 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.600 I'm living in three hours back to the to the 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:21.600 United States. Okay, why not you your guy, Why you 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.880 or your guy can't come to Miami in a couple 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.800 of weeks and we can't talk. No big deal, you 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:31.680 didn't make it. You didn't make it when it's gonna 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.600 be hard for me to come back to Europe when 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.120 I came the first time. On one show up, you 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:37.280 have to understand that. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.160 Flavio blames Andy for the mix up, saying he wasn't 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.320 given enough notice for the Italy trip and that he 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.959 had never confirmed to Andy that he could even make 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.720 it to Italy. But Flavio assures one that he's a 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.680 serious guy, that he's on top of this deal and 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.599 he has the contact they need to move forward. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.400 Actually, I have to I have to talk with this 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:11.640 guy from Romania, which expession handing business the right person 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:12.760 which we have to talk. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.560 Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.320 I know this is the first time you and I 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.960 are talking. I really appreciate you calling me back. You 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.160 know it took a few days, but here you are 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.800 talking to me. Is there any way possible that you 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.959 guy in Romania can't call me used to say hello? 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:31.840 You can give me his phone number. I will not 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.760 talk business. I just want to say hello to the guy. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.080 The gentleman can't hear my boys, I can't hear his, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.520 and then we can make some kind of an arrangement 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.720 for you guys to come. Okay, I will not go 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.920 to Romania at this point because I just wasted a 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.840 whole week here down the road. Perhaps maybe and you 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.840 guys can come maybe in two weeks to Miami. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:57.679 Okay. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.040 I spend a day or two and we talk business, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.400 because that's a lot of things we can not talk 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.200 over the phone. We need to see each other face to. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:11.640 Face, basically one saying we need to do these super 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:16.480 secret meetings about illegal stuff in person. And after this, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.880 I'm not traveling anywhere else for a while. You guys 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.480 need to come to me. You blew it for now. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.760 Flavia is contrite and apologizes that once trip to Italy 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:30.840 didn't work out. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.640 And oh, you know, I'm really studied my apology by 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.200 things like that. You know I have, I have, and 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:43.120 you know, you know, people are hard to catch real 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.880 people to talk with it. They try all the time, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.600 and sometimes they say thet if like a lo profile, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.560 he's not, he's not, He's. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.720 I hear you. But the best way to do this 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.840 is for him. For you guys to come I to Miami. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:02.960 That's the only way. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:03.280 Really. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.160 I already spend my times and spend my time, so 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:07.880 you need to come. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.240 Yeah, exactly. I had to tell your point, like you 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.680 like you have one to rights. Don't be really happy 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.960 because the stay there with no reasons. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.880 I asked Flavia, what was happening behind the scenes during 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.240 the Italy fiasco? Why didn't you show up in Roame? 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.640 Andy hel was call me and tells me in the night, 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.960 he said, you have to fly tomorrow to Italy to 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.560 meet this Columbian guy. He's around with business. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.080 Flavio says Andy was moving things too fast and made 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.000 him nervous. 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.840 Andy he was very pushed me to send me money 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.040 and he was having like half million dollars from Juani 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.280 his accounting. I was scared, be honest with you all 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.080 the whole time, was I was scared. 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.960 Flavio says that Andy had allegedly received money from one 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.400 and Andy was insistent that he sent Flavio some cash. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.880 He offered as much as one hundred and fifty thousand 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.600 dollars as an advance on what Flavio would earn broker 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.880 in the arms deal. But Flavio says he didn't want 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.960 any of Wan's money landing in his account that would 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.640 have compromised him. And he says he couldn't be compromised 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.520 since he was working with the CIA. And I should 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.600 point out here that Flavio and the evidence in his 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:33.360 case are consistent on this. Flavio never received any money 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.800 from his work on the arms deal, not from Wan, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.520 not from Andy, not from anyone. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.840 And all the time I push him around, I push 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.680 him on, no I have money, I'm okay, I'm okay, 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.960 I'm okay. Well, the time was chicking my account because 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.720 if I see that balance, at least to reverse the transaction, 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.120 because I know if I take money that one is 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.360 a crime. And that's why at one point I push 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.080 him away and I said, let me talk with one directly, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.200 because he was really pressing me all the time with 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.440 the money. With the money, he will try to lock 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.560 me up the way I will trying to lock everybody. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.760 And you see when I call Sier the first time, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.080 I give you the framework. Right now, I have to 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.639 put all those pieces together, because it was pointless for 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.479 me to call again and said, you know what I 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.520 was doing this? I was doing this. I'm not an 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:19.280 informant for you. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:20.520 I work with you. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.439 That means I give you the framework and let you 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.320 know in April twenty twelve what I'm gonna do for 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.720 you right now. Let me produce all those things and 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:29.399 put it together. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.200 And I said, I want to pause for a minute, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:36.600 because what Flavio mentions here, It's important to remember Flavio 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.679 called the CIA in April twenty twelve and told the 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.960 agents about Andy and Wan. He told the agents pretty 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:48.080 much everything. The first conversation Flavio has with one is 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.920 in May twenty fourteen, two years later. In that two 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:58.000 year period, Flavio never calls the CIA, and the CIA 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:04.280 never calls Flavia. Make of that what you will. And 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.080 I don't say that flippantly. I mean make a mental 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:12.480 note that two year period of silence. It's a question 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.400 that hangs over so much of Flavio's story to come. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.080 In May twenty fourteen, jan and his two Colombian colleagues 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.639 travel to Italy. Andy and Flavio stand up one in 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.960 his colleagues. Flavio's first call to Wan happens just hours 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.920 before he scheduled to leave Rome, and Flavio isn't even 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:39.760 in Rome, He's in London. It's a total shit show 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.679 for Wan. I think it's reasonable to say that just 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.800 about anyone looking to buy millions of dollars worth of 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.600 illegal weapons would have walked away at this point, convinced 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.119 that Andy and Flavio were nothing more than time killing wannabes, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.639 but not Wan. At times, though, one does seem to 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:00.879 lean to throwing in the towel. 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:02.560 Listen, listen, listen. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.239 If you cannot do it, then let's forget about this. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:10.119 I cannot you. Guys, don't have you, guys have no serious. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.200 This is from a later call one has with Flavia. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:15.679 He dresses him down for being a no show in 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.440 Rome and for constantly changing plans. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:20.720 You change every five minutes. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.720 You want a play by your rules and a time 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.960 to undug and when the first time you told me 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.000 it wasn't your fault and now you're telling me a 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.040 different story. I don't care about Andy, I don't care 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.280 about you. I don't care only about my business. If 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.119 you're gonna work with me, we need to be serious 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.119 about working. That's a bottom line. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:35.760 So you need to. 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.640 Understand my position. These people have no game. No they 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.679 don't play games. As you say, these people you know 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.760 as serious. I can't get in trouble with them back 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.800 at home because of not keeping my work. You need 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.159 to understand that this is a serious business. If you 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.000 guys are not ready to do this, then forget about it. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.320 One leaves it all out, insinuating in so many words 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:07.680 that his bosses are serious, they don't play games, they're killers. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.159 But One doesn't want to walk away from Flavio. He 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.520 stays in this burgeoning deal, appearing to think that Flavio 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.520 can make good on his promises to deliver, and One 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:26.879 isn't operating solely on blind faith. Flavio engages Wan in 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.320 a big way after the Italy trip, with Flavio and 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.520 Wan speaking regularly by phone. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:38.040 Now I have okay, good, good, Okay, I find I 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.000 want I find perfect, perfect perfect. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.000 The solution Flavio finds is an arms dealer who has 0:20:47.000 --> 0:21:00.120 connections to a manufacturer in Ukraine. That's after the break. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.680 Hey, Flavio, how are you? I was talking to your friend, 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:20.160 Jim hints from uh dear. 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.320 Okay, Flavio has put one in touch with a guy 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:30.919 named Guintautis. Flavio doesn't know Gintautus, someone Flavio knows in 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.440 Romania had referred him, so Flavio put him in touch 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.840 directly with Wan. Gintautas has connections with an arms manufacturer 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.120 in Ukraine. He can act as a broker between Wan 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:43.760 and Ukrainian factory. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.720 Yeah, okay, okay, good, well he this is the guy, 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.680 This is the main guy, right that you say, Yeah, 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.040 he's a killer. 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.040 The reason Wan is calling Flavio now is that he's 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:03.159 just talked to Ginetoutis and Wand's impressed. He thinks Favia 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:08.119 is right. This is the solution. Gintautis can make this 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:08.960 arm steal happen. 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.600 Okay, all right, all right, Well he's gonna call me tomorrow. 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.879 He's going to change he's a schedule. He's not gonna 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.120 gook to Africa, but he's gonna let me know tomorrow 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.639 for sure that he's gonna meet me in Rome on 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:24.480 the twenty second. 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:29.960 Okay, Wan and Flavio had been tentatively discussing another trip 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.920 to Rome. Wan is hesitant about making a second trip 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:38.520 after having already been stood up once. But this Gintoutis guy, 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.920 he's changing things for Wan. If he'll be there one 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.520 says he might be willing to give Rome a second try. 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.840 Don't bring any one, don't bring Daddy, don't bring no fighty. 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.560 Flavio tells Juan that gin Tautus is a careful operator. 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.920 One can't bring a bunch of people to a meeting 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:07.359 with him. This is secret agent stuff. 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:07.200 Your ceres, your seasiness. If you bring more people into 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:08.359 his business, you lose it. 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.959 No, no, no no, I'll be there by myself, Olivia. 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:15.679 I'm gonna have these two other Colombians in town, but 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.000 they will not come to the meeting because I already 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.720 explained to him that you didn't show up, not because 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:21.440 it was your fall. 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:22.800 I know what's on this fall now. 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.240 You told me this is gonna be pretty much of 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:31.840 a short thing. I need I need you to tell him. No, 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.080 I tell him him person, I tell him in person. 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.639 Why not you do me a favor of you. 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.280 Talk with them than I thank your sixness is right 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:41.640 now with his whole name. 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.720 Okay, listen, you need to meet me there in Rome. 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:46.440 You don't have to go to the meeting with him. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.920 You need to meet me there in room for breakfast 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.840 on a twenty second and then we can discuss how 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:54.000 I'm gonna take care of you. 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.359 Once recording ends abruptly there, but he tells Flavia that 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.520 King Tautus is coming to meet him in Rome and 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.760 Flavio needs to be in town so they can discuss 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.160 how Wan's going to take care of Flavio. That is, 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:14.600 how Flavio's going to get paid. One is definitely excited, 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:18.200 you can hear it in his voice, but it's excitement 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:26.480 doesn't last. On July twelfth, twenty fourteen, two days after 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:31.159 talking to Gintautis, One calls Flavio. 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:39.320 Te Flavio, Flavio, give me a call as soon as possible, 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:43.600 very origin is One, call me as soon as possible. 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.639 It's urgent. Please thank you. 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.480 Ten minutes later, Flavio returns Wan's call. 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:58.840 Hello, Hey, I got a serious problem. I spoke to 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:04.679