Speaker 1: Hey, can you don't your visit? Can you hear me? Andy?
Speaker 2: Yes, I hear you can hear It's May twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: and one the Colombian is calling Andy georg Escu in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Andy's told Wan that his guy Flavio has
Speaker 2: found someone to assist in getting weapons. He suggests they
Speaker 2: all meet Juan, Flavio and Andy in Italy to square
Speaker 2: away the deal. One is excited about this prospect, and
Speaker 2: he tells Andy that he sent an updated, expanded list
Speaker 2: of weapons that he wants to buy.
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, all right, I send you are a
Speaker 3: note on the Skype. I'll tell you the list, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So is there?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: All right, I should be home tomorrow night. I call
Speaker 3: you when I get there. Okay, we'll still right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: Well I'm done and I'm leaving the day after I
Speaker 3: talked to a little more. All right, okay, brother, take
Speaker 3: it out. Let me know if any questions please, it's important.
Speaker 5: However, take you by a right all right phone call
Speaker 5: and your Jesus at five or three pm follow in
Speaker 5: time on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: By six two and.
Speaker 2: Fourteen, one in Colombia stops the recorder he's about to
Speaker 2: fly halfway across the world to meet with Andy and Flavia,
Speaker 2: or at least that's what he thinks. I'm Trevor Aronson
Speaker 2: from Western Sound and I Heart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys,
Speaker 2: Episode five. You guys are not serious. What I'm about
Speaker 2: to tell you is the most expensive example of gaslighting
Speaker 2: I've ever heard. A week after that phone call you heard,
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes ago, Juan flies to Rome along
Speaker 2: with two of his Colombian colleagues. Andy and Wan had
Speaker 2: been talking about this arms deal for two years at
Speaker 2: this point, and now it seems it's finally going to happen.
Speaker 2: The day before they're scheduled to meet, Juan is in
Speaker 2: a hotel room rum and he calls Andy.
Speaker 1: All right, so are you going tomorrow?
Speaker 3: I'm waiting.
Speaker 4: I still didn't give the stuff to get care. Come
Speaker 4: on tomorrow. I'm the only one that I can go to.
Speaker 1: The one up money for.
Speaker 4: The guys just's available tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But that's.
Speaker 4: There to get someone, I'm trying to get somebody to
Speaker 4: come the word.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you this, let me let's send
Speaker 3: let's be sending see it to each other.
Speaker 1: What is going on? Are you gonna comply with me? Man,
Speaker 1: don't let me down. Please, No, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not letting you down.
Speaker 2: What Andy is saying it's bizarre. He'd promise Wan he'd
Speaker 2: be in Italy. Now he's saying something about Abu Dhabi,
Speaker 2: but Andy says, don't worry, Flavio is still coming. So
Speaker 2: he gives one Flavio's number. A couple of days past,
Speaker 2: one calls and calls, and all he gets is Flavio's voicemail.
Speaker 4: To strug You make me up name, a phone number
Speaker 4: and a police message, and I'll count at you as
Speaker 4: soon as possible.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Flavio.
Speaker 3: Vermoning is one as have your message on your UK number,
Speaker 3: But Anne says for me to call you on this
Speaker 3: number as well. When on your phone call so we
Speaker 3: can plan a meeting tomorrow. First thing Flavio give me
Speaker 3: a call back is now Wednesday, eight o'clock am in Rome.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Right.
Speaker 2: Consider this from one's perspective. He boarded a flight in
Speaker 2: Colombia with two revolutionaries from the jungle. There are no
Speaker 2: direct flights from Bogata to Rome with one or two layovers.
Speaker 2: Wan and his colleagues are looking at about twenty four
Speaker 2: hours of travel time in a six hour time difference.
Speaker 2: They land, they take a taxi from the airport, They
Speaker 2: check into a hotel. They shower with you know, those
Speaker 2: tiny bars of soap, and they're no doubt exhausted. And
Speaker 2: now that they're here in Rome, they discover Andy and
Speaker 2: Flavio aren't. Wan calls Andy and he's frustrated. He's done
Speaker 2: his part and now he doesn't know what's happening.
Speaker 3: Yes, Andy, I call him and no call by I
Speaker 3: know you about to go to sleep, or please call him.
Speaker 3: I ask him to call me, otherwise we're gonna waste
Speaker 3: Wednesday as well.
Speaker 1: And this I need to live.
Speaker 4: I don't know that the culture several folk, I mean's
Speaker 4: all possible. Face So he'll get it and he'll call
Speaker 4: you don't he will coach.
Speaker 2: It's tough to hear. But Andy says he doesn't know
Speaker 2: what's happening. Maybe Flavio fell asleep. But don't worry, he
Speaker 2: sures Wan, Flavio is going to call, all right.
Speaker 1: I want to wait for it.
Speaker 3: Do you probably want to call him as well? Because
Speaker 3: you know the time goes by today ways at the
Speaker 3: morning Stursday, we're running out of the time. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we're not okay, brother, see you later. Way calls on
Speaker 3: the fourteenth of Fight twenty fourteen Local time is uh
Speaker 3: a fifty am in drome read Daly.
Speaker 2: That call ended at eight fifty am. As you heard
Speaker 2: Wan state, it was recorded by eight pm. Flavio still
Speaker 2: hasn't called him, and so Wan called Andy again.
Speaker 3: And the and the Andy.
Speaker 1: You don't kill him, brother, you call.
Speaker 3: I never called.
Speaker 4: Maybe he's playing or something. But he's supposed to flight
Speaker 4: yesterday life. Maybe he's sleeping.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 4: He didn't call you. You called me back just to
Speaker 4: get get that stuff.
Speaker 1: Only you gotta listen, listen to this straight. There's no
Speaker 1: one who's can tell me. So I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't hang around. I'm just gonna leave.
Speaker 3: And then it's okay, don't Probably if you couldn't make
Speaker 3: it this time, you'll make it the next time around.
Speaker 1: Just be honest with me.
Speaker 4: Correct, But I'm very honest.
Speaker 2: Again, from Want's perspective, he's been talking to Andy for
Speaker 2: two years. Finally this mysterious Flavio guy is going to
Speaker 2: help him get his weapons. But now the moment of
Speaker 2: truth and nothing. Then again from Andy's perspective, this Colombian
Speaker 2: guy has been putting up with his delays for a
Speaker 2: very long time, a surprising amount of time. What's a
Speaker 2: few more hours. And he's like, come on, man, I
Speaker 2: told you Flavio is on his way. He's coming from London. Basically,
Speaker 2: sip on an espresso and wait, but I know he
Speaker 2: went back to London.
Speaker 3: Well, let me let me tell you this tomorrow. It's
Speaker 3: only so many hours. We're gonna meet from end of
Speaker 3: the morning, having them look at night. Then I gotta
Speaker 3: go to sleep because I need to be out there
Speaker 3: for on the wee hours of the morning.
Speaker 1: We all have I have.
Speaker 3: These people with me. They're not with me right now,
Speaker 3: but I have to have them visit that it's not
Speaker 3: your fault. Otherwise again, they want to think that you're
Speaker 3: full of it.
Speaker 2: I have these people with me, while tells Andy, referring
Speaker 2: to the two Colombian colleagues who joined him on the
Speaker 2: trip to Rome. If Andy or Andy's friend Flavio doesn't
Speaker 2: show up, they're going to think you're full of it.
Speaker 2: In other words, this could kill any potential for a deal.
Speaker 2: One informs Andy that if he wants the salvage things.
Speaker 2: He's gotta find this I Flavio, and that has to
Speaker 2: happen very soon.
Speaker 1: I totally understand.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's I mean.
Speaker 1: Going down find the guy called me in a three
Speaker 1: way and we can talk. Please, Okay, all right, okay,
Speaker 1: I see you the next morning.
Speaker 2: Flavio still hasn't called, so Wan calls Andy yet again.
Speaker 3: He needs to call me now. I'll leave it in
Speaker 3: the hotel. I leave it in the hotel at seven
Speaker 3: in the morning.
Speaker 4: Okay, No, you don't want to come by seven talk
Speaker 4: about I won't call him right now doing this number two,
Speaker 4: the other number they're still got work, don't gonna work.
Speaker 3: I think he's out all time, out of money. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, see if you can't hold me now, I
Speaker 3: don't mind, but I have one more jump on the showery.
Speaker 2: All right, another day passes. Wan is now supposed to
Speaker 2: fly out of Rome in hours.
Speaker 1: Then hello, hello, Flavio, what's going on?
Speaker 2: This is the moment Wan's been waiting for. Juan and
Speaker 2: Flavio are finally talking more after the break this international
Speaker 2: arms deal. It's not exactly going smoothly. Juan is scheduled
Speaker 2: the flat of Rome in just a few hours, and
Speaker 2: he's finally talking to Flavio, who was supposed to meet
Speaker 2: in person with one days ago.
Speaker 4: You know, like all the time when you're living a message,
Speaker 4: I just shoot the number without the area for it.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how can I die? I'd say it
Speaker 4: was trying try.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Flavia's excuse for not calling is that he couldn't see
Speaker 2: a properly formatted number on a Smith's calls. One is
Speaker 2: audibly skeptical. Uh huh, he.
Speaker 1: Says, where are you now?
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm in London and just finally I got
Speaker 4: a guy which she wants to It's from Mania.
Speaker 2: Flavia is referring to someone who can actually sell the
Speaker 2: weapons to one. He's got a guy now, apparently.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you.
Speaker 3: I understand you were in New York this week according
Speaker 3: to your concert to Andy.
Speaker 2: Oh One consistently refers to Flavio and Andy cousins. They
Speaker 2: aren't related, but neither Andy nor Flavio bothers to correct him.
Speaker 3: I already came on, spending a week here waiting for
Speaker 3: so one to show up, and no one show up.
Speaker 3: I'm living in three hours back to the to the
Speaker 3: United States. Okay, why not you your guy, Why you
Speaker 3: or your guy can't come to Miami in a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks and we can't talk. No big deal, you
Speaker 3: didn't make it. You didn't make it when it's gonna
Speaker 3: be hard for me to come back to Europe when
Speaker 3: I came the first time. On one show up, you
Speaker 3: have to understand that.
Speaker 2: Flavio blames Andy for the mix up, saying he wasn't
Speaker 2: given enough notice for the Italy trip and that he
Speaker 2: had never confirmed to Andy that he could even make
Speaker 2: it to Italy. But Flavio assures one that he's a
Speaker 2: serious guy, that he's on top of this deal and
Speaker 2: he has the contact they need to move forward.
Speaker 4: Actually, I have to I have to talk with this
Speaker 4: guy from Romania, which expession handing business the right person
Speaker 4: which we have to talk.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: I know this is the first time you and I
Speaker 3: are talking. I really appreciate you calling me back. You
Speaker 3: know it took a few days, but here you are
Speaker 3: talking to me. Is there any way possible that you
Speaker 3: guy in Romania can't call me used to say hello?
Speaker 3: You can give me his phone number. I will not
Speaker 3: talk business. I just want to say hello to the guy.
Speaker 3: The gentleman can't hear my boys, I can't hear his,
Speaker 3: and then we can make some kind of an arrangement
Speaker 3: for you guys to come. Okay, I will not go
Speaker 3: to Romania at this point because I just wasted a
Speaker 3: whole week here down the road. Perhaps maybe and you
Speaker 3: guys can come maybe in two weeks to Miami.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I spend a day or two and we talk business,
Speaker 3: because that's a lot of things we can not talk
Speaker 3: over the phone. We need to see each other face to.
Speaker 2: Face, basically one saying we need to do these super
Speaker 2: secret meetings about illegal stuff in person. And after this,
Speaker 2: I'm not traveling anywhere else for a while. You guys
Speaker 2: need to come to me. You blew it for now.
Speaker 2: Flavia is contrite and apologizes that once trip to Italy
Speaker 2: didn't work out.
Speaker 4: And oh, you know, I'm really studied my apology by
Speaker 4: things like that. You know I have, I have, and
Speaker 4: you know, you know, people are hard to catch real
Speaker 4: people to talk with it. They try all the time,
Speaker 4: and sometimes they say thet if like a lo profile,
Speaker 4: he's not, he's not, He's.
Speaker 3: I hear you. But the best way to do this
Speaker 3: is for him. For you guys to come I to Miami.
Speaker 3: That's the only way.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: I already spend my times and spend my time, so
Speaker 3: you need to come.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I had to tell your point, like you
Speaker 4: like you have one to rights. Don't be really happy
Speaker 4: because the stay there with no reasons.
Speaker 2: I asked Flavia, what was happening behind the scenes during
Speaker 2: the Italy fiasco? Why didn't you show up in Roame?
Speaker 6: Andy hel was call me and tells me in the night,
Speaker 6: he said, you have to fly tomorrow to Italy to
Speaker 6: meet this Columbian guy. He's around with business.
Speaker 2: Flavio says Andy was moving things too fast and made
Speaker 2: him nervous.
Speaker 6: Andy he was very pushed me to send me money
Speaker 6: and he was having like half million dollars from Juani
Speaker 6: his accounting. I was scared, be honest with you all
Speaker 6: the whole time, was I was scared.
Speaker 2: Flavio says that Andy had allegedly received money from one
Speaker 2: and Andy was insistent that he sent Flavio some cash.
Speaker 2: He offered as much as one hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars as an advance on what Flavio would earn broker
Speaker 2: in the arms deal. But Flavio says he didn't want
Speaker 2: any of Wan's money landing in his account that would
Speaker 2: have compromised him. And he says he couldn't be compromised
Speaker 2: since he was working with the CIA. And I should
Speaker 2: point out here that Flavio and the evidence in his
Speaker 2: case are consistent on this. Flavio never received any money
Speaker 2: from his work on the arms deal, not from Wan,
Speaker 2: not from Andy, not from anyone.
Speaker 6: And all the time I push him around, I push
Speaker 6: him on, no I have money, I'm okay, I'm okay,
Speaker 6: I'm okay. Well, the time was chicking my account because
Speaker 6: if I see that balance, at least to reverse the transaction,
Speaker 6: because I know if I take money that one is
Speaker 6: a crime. And that's why at one point I push
Speaker 6: him away and I said, let me talk with one directly,
Speaker 6: because he was really pressing me all the time with
Speaker 6: the money. With the money, he will try to lock
Speaker 6: me up the way I will trying to lock everybody.
Speaker 6: And you see when I call Sier the first time,
Speaker 6: I give you the framework. Right now, I have to
Speaker 6: put all those pieces together, because it was pointless for
Speaker 6: me to call again and said, you know what I
Speaker 6: was doing this? I was doing this. I'm not an
Speaker 6: informant for you.
Speaker 1: I work with you.
Speaker 6: That means I give you the framework and let you
Speaker 6: know in April twenty twelve what I'm gonna do for
Speaker 6: you right now. Let me produce all those things and
Speaker 6: put it together.
Speaker 2: And I said, I want to pause for a minute,
Speaker 2: because what Flavio mentions here, It's important to remember Flavio
Speaker 2: called the CIA in April twenty twelve and told the
Speaker 2: agents about Andy and Wan. He told the agents pretty
Speaker 2: much everything. The first conversation Flavio has with one is
Speaker 2: in May twenty fourteen, two years later. In that two
Speaker 2: year period, Flavio never calls the CIA, and the CIA
Speaker 2: never calls Flavia. Make of that what you will. And
Speaker 2: I don't say that flippantly. I mean make a mental
Speaker 2: note that two year period of silence. It's a question
Speaker 2: that hangs over so much of Flavio's story to come.
Speaker 2: In May twenty fourteen, jan and his two Colombian colleagues
Speaker 2: travel to Italy. Andy and Flavio stand up one in
Speaker 2: his colleagues. Flavio's first call to Wan happens just hours
Speaker 2: before he scheduled to leave Rome, and Flavio isn't even
Speaker 2: in Rome, He's in London. It's a total shit show
Speaker 2: for Wan. I think it's reasonable to say that just
Speaker 2: about anyone looking to buy millions of dollars worth of
Speaker 2: illegal weapons would have walked away at this point, convinced
Speaker 2: that Andy and Flavio were nothing more than time killing wannabes,
Speaker 2: but not Wan. At times, though, one does seem to
Speaker 2: lean to throwing in the towel.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 3: If you cannot do it, then let's forget about this.
Speaker 3: I cannot you. Guys, don't have you, guys have no serious.
Speaker 2: This is from a later call one has with Flavia.
Speaker 2: He dresses him down for being a no show in
Speaker 2: Rome and for constantly changing plans.
Speaker 1: You change every five minutes.
Speaker 3: You want a play by your rules and a time
Speaker 3: to undug and when the first time you told me
Speaker 3: it wasn't your fault and now you're telling me a
Speaker 3: different story. I don't care about Andy, I don't care
Speaker 3: about you. I don't care only about my business. If
Speaker 3: you're gonna work with me, we need to be serious
Speaker 3: about working. That's a bottom line.
Speaker 1: So you need to.
Speaker 3: Understand my position. These people have no game. No they
Speaker 3: don't play games. As you say, these people you know
Speaker 3: as serious. I can't get in trouble with them back
Speaker 3: at home because of not keeping my work. You need
Speaker 3: to understand that this is a serious business. If you
Speaker 3: guys are not ready to do this, then forget about it.
Speaker 2: One leaves it all out, insinuating in so many words
Speaker 2: that his bosses are serious, they don't play games, they're killers.
Speaker 2: But One doesn't want to walk away from Flavio. He
Speaker 2: stays in this burgeoning deal, appearing to think that Flavio
Speaker 2: can make good on his promises to deliver, and One
Speaker 2: isn't operating solely on blind faith. Flavio engages Wan in
Speaker 2: a big way after the Italy trip, with Flavio and
Speaker 2: Wan speaking regularly by phone.
Speaker 3: Now I have okay, good, good, Okay, I find I
Speaker 3: want I find perfect, perfect perfect.
Speaker 2: The solution Flavio finds is an arms dealer who has
Speaker 2: connections to a manufacturer in Ukraine. That's after the break.
Speaker 3: Hey, Flavio, how are you? I was talking to your friend,
Speaker 3: Jim hints from uh dear.
Speaker 2: Okay, Flavio has put one in touch with a guy
Speaker 2: named Guintautis. Flavio doesn't know Gintautus, someone Flavio knows in
Speaker 2: Romania had referred him, so Flavio put him in touch
Speaker 2: directly with Wan. Gintautas has connections with an arms manufacturer
Speaker 2: in Ukraine. He can act as a broker between Wan
Speaker 2: and Ukrainian factory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, good, well he this is the guy,
Speaker 3: This is the main guy, right that you say, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a killer.
Speaker 2: The reason Wan is calling Flavio now is that he's
Speaker 2: just talked to Ginetoutis and Wand's impressed. He thinks Favia
Speaker 2: is right. This is the solution. Gintautis can make this
Speaker 2: arm steal happen.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, Well he's gonna call me tomorrow.
Speaker 3: He's going to change he's a schedule. He's not gonna
Speaker 3: gook to Africa, but he's gonna let me know tomorrow
Speaker 3: for sure that he's gonna meet me in Rome on
Speaker 3: the twenty second.
Speaker 2: Okay, Wan and Flavio had been tentatively discussing another trip
Speaker 2: to Rome. Wan is hesitant about making a second trip
Speaker 2: after having already been stood up once. But this Gintoutis guy,
Speaker 2: he's changing things for Wan. If he'll be there one
Speaker 2: says he might be willing to give Rome a second try.
Speaker 1: Don't bring any one, don't bring Daddy, don't bring no fighty.
Speaker 2: Flavio tells Juan that gin Tautus is a careful operator.
Speaker 2: One can't bring a bunch of people to a meeting
Speaker 2: with him. This is secret agent stuff.
Speaker 4: Your ceres, your seasiness. If you bring more people into
Speaker 4: his business, you lose it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no no, I'll be there by myself, Olivia.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have these two other Colombians in town, but
Speaker 3: they will not come to the meeting because I already
Speaker 3: explained to him that you didn't show up, not because
Speaker 3: it was your fall.
Speaker 1: I know what's on this fall now.
Speaker 3: You told me this is gonna be pretty much of
Speaker 3: a short thing. I need I need you to tell him. No,
Speaker 3: I tell him him person, I tell him in person.
Speaker 3: Why not you do me a favor of you.
Speaker 4: Talk with them than I thank your sixness is right
Speaker 4: now with his whole name.
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, you need to meet me there in Rome.
Speaker 3: You don't have to go to the meeting with him.
Speaker 3: You need to meet me there in room for breakfast
Speaker 3: on a twenty second and then we can discuss how
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take care of you.
Speaker 2: Once recording ends abruptly there, but he tells Flavia that
Speaker 2: King Tautus is coming to meet him in Rome and
Speaker 2: Flavio needs to be in town so they can discuss
Speaker 2: how Wan's going to take care of Flavio. That is,
Speaker 2: how Flavio's going to get paid. One is definitely excited,
Speaker 2: you can hear it in his voice, but it's excitement
Speaker 2: doesn't last. On July twelfth, twenty fourteen, two days after
Speaker 2: talking to Gintautis, One calls Flavio.
Speaker 3: Te Flavio, Flavio, give me a call as soon as possible,
Speaker 3: very origin is One, call me as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: It's urgent. Please thank you.
Speaker 2: Ten minutes later, Flavio returns Wan's call.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, I got a serious problem. I spoke to
Speaker 3: your friend the Russian and he and he fails with
Speaker 3: that he cannot help me. That he was that he
Speaker 3: has some kind of a misunderstanding or mission between between
Speaker 3: you guys. I think that's what he said, and that
Speaker 3: he cannot that whatever I'm trying to louis beyond what
Speaker 3: he can't do.
Speaker 1: So you need to talk to him.
Speaker 3: Make sure that he understands because I told him, Look,
Speaker 3: what what what do.
Speaker 1: We used mean?
Speaker 3: I'm talking because maybe you're missing something on translation when
Speaker 3: someone talks to you and maybe they're missing something.
Speaker 1: He says, no, no, I won't be able to help you.
Speaker 2: One also gets in touch with Andy.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Something spooked him. Andy tells one. What Andy means, Istas
Speaker 2: has broken off community cations and he's not coming to Rome.
Speaker 2: It's radio silence from him. He's not talking to anybody anymore.
Speaker 3: Well, I think he said was that there was a
Speaker 3: misunderstanding between him and his friends, her friends.
Speaker 1: Guy, you are you guys or whoever?
Speaker 4: Is on between somebody somebody hired. Well, something stooked him.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, well what I'm gonna find out what.
Speaker 1: I didn't push it, but the guy was very nice.
Speaker 1: He knew it was me. Hey Juan, Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: he does.
Speaker 4: She does. But I mean it's like, you know, he's
Speaker 4: something stooked him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, guing Tautus is spooked. That's true. What Wan and
Speaker 2: Andy don't know is that the problem is Wan, after
Speaker 2: talking to Juan Gintautas, sent an email to the person
Speaker 2: who originally connected him with Flavio ging Tautus wrote, if
Speaker 2: you ever bring me clients like this again, I will
Speaker 2: never answer the phone for you. Guan Tutis includes in
Speaker 2: his email a news article about a man from Africa
Speaker 2: named Foulsy Jabber. Just three months before King Tutus has
Speaker 2: his conversation with Juan. Jabber was arrested by federal agents
Speaker 2: in Prague in April twenty fourteen for trying to sell
Speaker 2: weapons to the FARC, the Colombian rebel group. From the
Speaker 2: fall of twenty twelve through early twenty fourteen, Jabber had
Speaker 2: met with Colombian men he believed were representatives of the FARC.
Speaker 2: Turns out they weren't with the FARC, but instead they
Speaker 2: were undercover informants for the US Drug Enforcement Administration the DEA.
Speaker 2: Following his arrest, Jabber was extradited to New York and
Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to conspiring to provide material support to a
Speaker 2: terrorist organization. He was sentenced to fifteen years in prison.
Speaker 2: Gin Tautas suspects that wont On, like the Colombians in Prague,
Speaker 2: isn't really with the FARC either, but instead an agent
Speaker 2: of the US government. This gingoutis guy. He smells a
Speaker 2: rat and it only took him a couple of phone
Speaker 2: calls with Juan and you know what guingetutis is right.
Speaker 2: Every time is twelve forty two pm local Montenegro time
Speaker 2: dates October eight, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5: This is a meeting between CS one, two.
Speaker 1: And three and Fabrio Georgeski Christ John In two young
Speaker 1: known males in Laudos something I want to head.
Speaker 2: You may have guessed this because it's kind of weird
Speaker 2: that someone with the FARC would record their conversations, but
Speaker 2: one is not with the FARC. He's with the DEA.
Speaker 2: That's in the next episode. This is up in arms,
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