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Speaker 2: Yes, I hear you can hear It's May twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 2: and one the Colombian is calling Andy georg Escu in

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Speaker 2: found someone to assist in getting weapons. He suggests they

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Speaker 2: all meet Juan, Flavio and Andy in Italy to square

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Speaker 2: away the deal. One is excited about this prospect, and

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Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, all right, I send you are a

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Speaker 3: So is there?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 3: All right, I should be home tomorrow night. I call

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: Well I'm done and I'm leaving the day after I

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Speaker 5: However, take you by a right all right phone call

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Speaker 5: time on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: By six two and.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen, one in Colombia stops the recorder he's about to

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Speaker 2: fly halfway across the world to meet with Andy and Flavia,

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Speaker 2: or at least that's what he thinks. I'm Trevor Aronson

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Speaker 2: from Western Sound and I Heart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys,

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Speaker 2: Episode five. You guys are not serious. What I'm about

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Speaker 2: to tell you is the most expensive example of gaslighting

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard. A week after that phone call you heard,

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes ago, Juan flies to Rome along

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Speaker 2: been talking about this arms deal for two years at

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Speaker 2: this point, and now it seems it's finally going to happen.

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Speaker 2: The day before they're scheduled to meet, Juan is in

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Speaker 1: All right, so are you going tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting.

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Speaker 4: I still didn't give the stuff to get care. Come

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Speaker 4: on tomorrow. I'm the only one that I can go to.

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Speaker 1: The one up money for.

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Speaker 4: The guys just's available tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But that's.

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Speaker 4: There to get someone, I'm trying to get somebody to

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Speaker 4: come the word.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you this, let me let's send

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Speaker 1: What is going on? Are you gonna comply with me? Man,

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Speaker 1: don't let me down. Please, No, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Not letting you down.

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Speaker 2: What Andy is saying it's bizarre. He'd promise Wan he'd

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Speaker 4: To strug You make me up name, a phone number

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Flavio.

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Speaker 3: But Anne says for me to call you on this

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Right.

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Speaker 2: Consider this from one's perspective. He boarded a flight in

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Speaker 3: Yes, Andy, I call him and no call by I

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Speaker 1: And this I need to live.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that the culture several folk, I mean's

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Speaker 2: It's tough to hear. But Andy says he doesn't know

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Speaker 3: morning Stursday, we're running out of the time. Yeah, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: we're not okay, brother, see you later. Way calls on

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Speaker 2: That call ended at eight fifty am. As you heard

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Speaker 2: Wan state, it was recorded by eight pm. Flavio still

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Speaker 3: And the and the Andy.

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Speaker 1: You don't kill him, brother, you call.

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Speaker 3: I never called.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he's playing or something. But he's supposed to flight

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Speaker 4: He didn't call you. You called me back just to

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Speaker 1: Only you gotta listen, listen to this straight. There's no

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Speaker 3: And then it's okay, don't Probably if you couldn't make

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Speaker 1: Just be honest with me.

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Speaker 4: Correct, But I'm very honest.

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Speaker 2: Again, from Want's perspective, he's been talking to Andy for

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Speaker 2: two years. Finally this mysterious Flavio guy is going to

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Speaker 3: Well, let me let me tell you this tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 1: We all have I have.

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Speaker 3: These people with me. They're not with me right now,

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Speaker 3: but I have to have them visit that it's not

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Speaker 2: I have these people with me, while tells Andy, referring

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Speaker 2: In other words, this could kill any potential for a deal.

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Speaker 2: One informs Andy that if he wants the salvage things.

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Speaker 2: He's gotta find this I Flavio, and that has to

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Speaker 1: I totally understand.

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Speaker 4: No, No, that's I mean.

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Speaker 1: Going down find the guy called me in a three

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Speaker 1: I see you the next morning.

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Speaker 2: Flavio still hasn't called, so Wan calls Andy yet again.

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Speaker 3: He needs to call me now. I'll leave it in

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Speaker 4: Okay, No, you don't want to come by seven talk

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Speaker 3: all right, see if you can't hold me now, I

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Speaker 2: All right, another day passes. Wan is now supposed to

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Speaker 1: Then hello, hello, Flavio, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: This is the moment Wan's been waiting for. Juan and

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Speaker 2: arms deal. It's not exactly going smoothly. Juan is scheduled

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Speaker 4: You know, like all the time when you're living a message,

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Speaker 4: I just shoot the number without the area for it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know how can I die? I'd say it

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Flavia's excuse for not calling is that he couldn't see

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Speaker 1: Says, where are you now?

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Speaker 4: Right now, I'm in London and just finally I got

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Speaker 2: Flavia is referring to someone who can actually sell the

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you.

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Speaker 3: I understand you were in New York this week according

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Speaker 3: to your concert to Andy.

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Speaker 2: Oh One consistently refers to Flavio and Andy cousins. They

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Speaker 3: I already came on, spending a week here waiting for

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Speaker 3: I'm living in three hours back to the to the

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Speaker 3: of weeks and we can't talk. No big deal, you

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Speaker 3: didn't make it. You didn't make it when it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be hard for me to come back to Europe when

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Speaker 2: Flavio blames Andy for the mix up, saying he wasn't

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: I know this is the first time you and I

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Speaker 3: know it took a few days, but here you are

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Speaker 3: talking to me. Is there any way possible that you

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Speaker 3: You can give me his phone number. I will not

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Speaker 3: talk business. I just want to say hello to the guy.

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Speaker 3: The gentleman can't hear my boys, I can't hear his,

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Speaker 3: and then we can make some kind of an arrangement

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Speaker 3: for you guys to come. Okay, I will not go

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Speaker 3: I spend a day or two and we talk business,

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Speaker 2: Flavia is contrite and apologizes that once trip to Italy

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Speaker 4: And oh, you know, I'm really studied my apology by

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, people are hard to catch real

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Speaker 3: I hear you. But the best way to do this

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Speaker 3: is for him. For you guys to come I to Miami.

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Speaker 3: That's the only way.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 3: I already spend my times and spend my time, so

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I had to tell your point, like you

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Speaker 4: because the stay there with no reasons.

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Speaker 2: I asked Flavia, what was happening behind the scenes during

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Speaker 6: Andy hel was call me and tells me in the night,

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Speaker 6: meet this Columbian guy. He's around with business.

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Speaker 2: Flavio says Andy was moving things too fast and made

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Speaker 6: Andy he was very pushed me to send me money

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Speaker 6: and he was having like half million dollars from Juani

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Speaker 6: his accounting. I was scared, be honest with you all

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Speaker 2: Flavio says that Andy had allegedly received money from one

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Speaker 2: He offered as much as one hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: case are consistent on this. Flavio never received any money

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Speaker 6: And all the time I push him around, I push

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Speaker 6: And you see when I call Sier the first time,

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Speaker 6: I give you the framework. Right now, I have to

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Speaker 6: me to call again and said, you know what I

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Speaker 6: was doing this? I was doing this. I'm not an

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Speaker 1: I work with you.

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Speaker 6: That means I give you the framework and let you

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Speaker 6: know in April twenty twelve what I'm gonna do for

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Speaker 6: you right now. Let me produce all those things and

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Speaker 2: And I said, I want to pause for a minute,

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Speaker 2: because what Flavio mentions here, It's important to remember Flavio

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Speaker 2: agents about Andy and Wan. He told the agents pretty

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Speaker 2: much everything. The first conversation Flavio has with one is

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Speaker 2: year period, Flavio never calls the CIA, and the CIA

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Speaker 2: never calls Flavia. Make of that what you will. And

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Speaker 2: I don't say that flippantly. I mean make a mental

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Speaker 2: note that two year period of silence. It's a question

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Speaker 2: that hangs over so much of Flavio's story to come.

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Speaker 2: In May twenty fourteen, jan and his two Colombian colleagues

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Speaker 2: travel to Italy. Andy and Flavio stand up one in

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Speaker 2: his colleagues. Flavio's first call to Wan happens just hours

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Speaker 2: before he scheduled to leave Rome, and Flavio isn't even

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Speaker 2: in Rome, He's in London. It's a total shit show

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Speaker 2: for Wan. I think it's reasonable to say that just

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Speaker 2: about anyone looking to buy millions of dollars worth of

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Speaker 2: that Andy and Flavio were nothing more than time killing wannabes,

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Speaker 2: but not Wan. At times, though, one does seem to

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Speaker 2: lean to throwing in the towel.

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Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 3: If you cannot do it, then let's forget about this.

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Speaker 3: I cannot you. Guys, don't have you, guys have no serious.

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Speaker 2: This is from a later call one has with Flavia.

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Speaker 2: He dresses him down for being a no show in

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Speaker 1: You change every five minutes.

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Speaker 3: You want a play by your rules and a time

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Speaker 3: to undug and when the first time you told me

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Speaker 3: it wasn't your fault and now you're telling me a

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Speaker 3: different story. I don't care about Andy, I don't care

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Speaker 3: about you. I don't care only about my business. If

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Speaker 3: you're gonna work with me, we need to be serious

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Speaker 3: about working. That's a bottom line.

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Speaker 1: So you need to.

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Speaker 3: Understand my position. These people have no game. No they

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Speaker 3: don't play games. As you say, these people you know

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Speaker 3: as serious. I can't get in trouble with them back

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Speaker 3: to understand that this is a serious business. If you

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Speaker 2: One leaves it all out, insinuating in so many words

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Speaker 2: But One doesn't want to walk away from Flavio. He

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Speaker 2: isn't operating solely on blind faith. Flavio engages Wan in

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Speaker 3: Now I have okay, good, good, Okay, I find I

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Speaker 2: The solution Flavio finds is an arms dealer who has

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Speaker 2: connections to a manufacturer in Ukraine. That's after the break.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Flavio, how are you? I was talking to your friend,

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Speaker 3: Jim hints from uh dear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Flavio has put one in touch with a guy

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Speaker 2: named Guintautis. Flavio doesn't know Gintautus, someone Flavio knows in

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Speaker 2: Romania had referred him, so Flavio put him in touch

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Speaker 2: directly with Wan. Gintautas has connections with an arms manufacturer

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. He can act as a broker between Wan

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, good, well he this is the guy,

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Speaker 3: This is the main guy, right that you say, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: The reason Wan is calling Flavio now is that he's

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Speaker 2: just talked to Ginetoutis and Wand's impressed. He thinks Favia

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, Well he's gonna call me tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: He's going to change he's a schedule. He's not gonna

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Speaker 3: for sure that he's gonna meet me in Rome on

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Speaker 2: Okay, Wan and Flavio had been tentatively discussing another trip

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Speaker 2: after having already been stood up once. But this Gintoutis guy,

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Speaker 2: he's changing things for Wan. If he'll be there one

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Speaker 1: Don't bring any one, don't bring Daddy, don't bring no fighty.

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Speaker 2: Flavio tells Juan that gin Tautus is a careful operator.

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Speaker 2: One can't bring a bunch of people to a meeting

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Speaker 4: Your ceres, your seasiness. If you bring more people into

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Speaker 3: No, no, no no, I'll be there by myself, Olivia.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have these two other Colombians in town, but

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Speaker 3: they will not come to the meeting because I already

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Speaker 3: explained to him that you didn't show up, not because

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Speaker 1: I know what's on this fall now.

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Speaker 3: You told me this is gonna be pretty much of

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Speaker 3: a short thing. I need I need you to tell him. No,

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Speaker 3: I tell him him person, I tell him in person.

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Speaker 3: Why not you do me a favor of you.

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Speaker 4: Talk with them than I thank your sixness is right

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Speaker 4: now with his whole name.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, you need to meet me there in Rome.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to go to the meeting with him.

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Speaker 3: You need to meet me there in room for breakfast

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Speaker 3: on a twenty second and then we can discuss how

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take care of you.

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Speaker 2: Once recording ends abruptly there, but he tells Flavia that

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Speaker 2: Flavio needs to be in town so they can discuss

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Speaker 2: how Wan's going to take care of Flavio. That is,

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Speaker 2: how Flavio's going to get paid. One is definitely excited,

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Speaker 2: you can hear it in his voice, but it's excitement

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Speaker 2: doesn't last. On July twelfth, twenty fourteen, two days after

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Speaker 2: talking to Gintautis, One calls Flavio.

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Speaker 3: Te Flavio, Flavio, give me a call as soon as possible,

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Speaker 3: very origin is One, call me as soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: It's urgent. Please thank you.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, I got a serious problem. I spoke to

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Speaker 3: that he cannot help me. That he was that he

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Speaker 3: has some kind of a misunderstanding or mission between between

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Speaker 3: you guys. I think that's what he said, and that

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Speaker 3: he cannot that whatever I'm trying to louis beyond what

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Speaker 3: he can't do.

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Speaker 1: So you need to talk to him.

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Speaker 3: Make sure that he understands because I told him, Look,

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Speaker 3: what what what do.

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Speaker 1: We used mean?

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Speaker 3: I'm talking because maybe you're missing something on translation when

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Speaker 1: He says, no, no, I won't be able to help you.

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Speaker 2: One also gets in touch with Andy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: Something spooked him. Andy tells one. What Andy means, Istas

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Speaker 2: It's radio silence from him. He's not talking to anybody anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he said was that there was a

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Speaker 1: Guy, you are you guys or whoever?

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Speaker 4: Is on between somebody somebody hired. Well, something stooked him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, well what I'm gonna find out what.

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Speaker 1: I didn't push it, but the guy was very nice.

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Speaker 1: He knew it was me. Hey Juan, Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: he does.

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Speaker 4: She does. But I mean it's like, you know, he's

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Speaker 4: something stooked him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guing Tautus is spooked. That's true. What Wan and

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Speaker 2: Andy don't know is that the problem is Wan, after

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Speaker 2: who originally connected him with Flavio ging Tautus wrote, if

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Speaker 2: you ever bring me clients like this again, I will

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Speaker 2: never answer the phone for you. Guan Tutis includes in

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Speaker 2: his email a news article about a man from Africa

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Speaker 2: his conversation with Juan. Jabber was arrested by federal agents

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Speaker 2: of the US government. This gingoutis guy. He smells a

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Speaker 2: Every time is twelve forty two pm local Montenegro time

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Speaker 5: This is a meeting between CS one, two.

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Speaker 1: And three and Fabrio Georgeski Christ John In two young

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Speaker 1: known males in Laudos something I want to head.

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Speaker 2: You may have guessed this because it's kind of weird

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Speaker 2: one is not with the FARC. He's with the DEA.

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Speaker 2: That's in the next episode. This is up in arms,

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Speaker 2: season two of Alphabet Boys. Alphabet Boys is a production

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