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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Ben isn't

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Speaker 2: here this week. He is in Italy. Can't wait to

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Speaker 2: hear about that trip. But for now breaking down headlights

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Speaker 2: with me, we have Deanna Pappis.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Gianna back to the show. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I've become quite the regular you have been.

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Speaker 2: I know that we've talked about, well, I'll just dive

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Speaker 2: into it. We've talked about, you know, your recent divorce.

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Speaker 2: But now we want to like concentrate on talking about

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Speaker 2: some fun things. Well fun things are not fun things.

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Speaker 2: It's called dating. How has it been?

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Speaker 3: Have you done it at all?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not dying. I am so busy poking

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Speaker 4: fun at myself on social media, and people are just

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Speaker 4: like beside themselves, like text messaging me and saying it's

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Speaker 4: gonna be okay, hang in there, You're gonna find someone.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, I'm just joking.

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Speaker 4: I'm not actually trying to find someone. I'm just fun

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Speaker 4: at the reality of my situation. That's me on a

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Speaker 4: Monday night in my house alone, trying to make funny

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Speaker 4: videos on Instagram because truly, I'm in my pajamas and

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing anything but hanging out with myself.

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Speaker 3: So no, I have been.

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Speaker 4: On one date with this cute little thirty year old

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Speaker 4: kid who hit on me in the Nashville airport, and

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Speaker 4: I only went out with him because I was like,

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Speaker 4: bold move, dude, Like bold move hitting on me in

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Speaker 4: the airport with my two kids, mind you, And it

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Speaker 4: was that's fine.

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Speaker 1: But like.

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Speaker 4: He's thirty and I'm almost forty two and getting divorced,

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Speaker 4: Like what does that even look like?

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Speaker 2: You know, my friend is thirty three and she recently

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Speaker 2: hooked up on vacation with a twenty three year old.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because like when you know you're young,

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Speaker 2: but when you're young and then you see like your

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Speaker 2: celebrity crushes dating these older women, you're just like, why

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Speaker 2: wouldn't he I'm his age, like date your age, And

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Speaker 2: then when you're in your thirties and forties, you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, no wait, I see the appeal of a

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Speaker 2: younger man and met and younger men.

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Speaker 3: Always see the appeal older lady.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling older lady, quote quote quote you know, so,

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Speaker 2: like do you find yourself wanting to cougar a bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, this is this how Stella got her

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Speaker 4: groove back? You know what. I went to the Dodgers

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Speaker 4: Braves game a few nights ago. I think four kids

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Speaker 4: were sitting in front of us, and me and my

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Speaker 4: girlfriend are practically the only people in the stadium wearing

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Speaker 4: Braves jerseys. Because I'm from Atlanta, I'm a huge frames.

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Speaker 4: And as soon as we sit down, these kids turn

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Speaker 4: around and they start hackling us like ooh, braz blah,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, sit down, child, like sit down, no joke.

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Speaker 4: They were like twenty two years old. It took them

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Speaker 4: a hot minute, but then they realized I was this

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Speaker 4: woman from the Bachelorette. And then they were all over

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Speaker 4: me and like, let me take you to dinner, let

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Speaker 4: me do this. And I was like, I draw the line.

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Speaker 4: I am almost forty two years old. That is twenty

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Speaker 4: years your senior. No, I am not babysitting tomorrow night,

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Speaker 4: Like could you even afford to take me to do

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Speaker 4: I don't want to go somewhere that's not halfway decent.

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Speaker 4: But these kids were all over it. And so at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, I remember thinking like it's

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Speaker 4: super flattering obviously, Yeah, I still got it. I'm not

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Speaker 4: sure what that actually is what I do have, but

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Speaker 4: that somebody remotely finds me attractive. But you know, it

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Speaker 4: is funny. It is the younger kids that have the

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Speaker 4: actual balls to hit on you.

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Speaker 3: I'm totally this guy.

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Speaker 2: The twenty three year old was worshiping my thirty three

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Speaker 2: year old friend, like saying, like how can I what can.

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Speaker 3: I do to like make you happy?

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Speaker 2: And like he was very proactive and texting and getting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, worshiping her maybe what she needs. Thirty and

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Speaker 2: That's a big one difference, right, that's not a big difference.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, so if he was twenty six

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Speaker 3: Twenty three and thirty three might be. It's it's so.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, like the minutia when it comes to age gaps

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Speaker 2: and when you feel it and when you don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess that The difference in being like

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Speaker 4: and emotionally and everything else is like I just don't

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Speaker 4: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like what I have?

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Speaker 4: I two my husband left me, I'm getting divorced. Like

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Speaker 4: I just I feel pretty good about myself. I know

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Speaker 4: who I am. I feel pretty secure at my core,

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Speaker 4: and like if someone finds that attractive to me, that's nice.

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Speaker 4: It's nice, you know. I mean, I've been through a lot.

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Speaker 4: I've been through a lot in the last few years,

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Speaker 4: and it's been really difficult. So if it's a thirty

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Speaker 4: it is. But no, I'm not dating. Not dating.

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Speaker 2: Will you be interested in dating? At some point you think, oh, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Of course. I would have thought if someone would ask me, okay, okay, Actually,

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Speaker 4: when I don't leave my house and you know, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: why doesn't anyone want to date me? I hang out here.

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Speaker 4: I went to bed at seven thirty last night, seven thirty.

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Speaker 2: Seven thirty. That like kind of freaks me out. Ben

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Speaker 2: freaks me out. I don't know what it is, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see any glimmer of sunlight if

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Speaker 4: No, No, I went to a really nice sushi dinner with.

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Speaker 3: My my get out and his wife.

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Speaker 4: I'm always the third wheel, and I held their baby

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Speaker 4: the whole time while they ate so they could get

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Speaker 4: a nice hot meal. So here I am holding the

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Speaker 4: I wake up at seven am, and I'm like, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, that's almost twelve full hours. I'm doing really well.

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Speaker 3: Well, you just said that like your husband left you.

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Speaker 2: Are you willing to talk a little bit about how

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Speaker 2: that went, I'll all run down, not really, okay.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I didn't want divorce. It was not something

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Speaker 4: that I chose. But this is where we're at, and

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Speaker 4: more so so now I am totally fine with it.

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Speaker 4: And obviously things were difficult for a long period of time,

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Speaker 4: challenging and just hard, just really hard. And the difference

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Speaker 4: is is like, marriage isn't meant to make you happy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're married, you have kids. Marriage is not

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Speaker 4: meant to make you happy. It is meant to refine you, hopefully,

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Speaker 4: and two people can learn to cohabitate, you know, as one.

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Speaker 4: But that's a big confusion when it comes to relationships.

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Speaker 4: People will say all the time. You don't make me happy.

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Speaker 4: You don't make me happy. I'm not meant to make

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Speaker 4: But marriage and relationships and companionship is meant to refine us.

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Speaker 4: And hopefully you learn to do that together and grow together.

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately we just couldn't. So now my goal is

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Speaker 4: to just be a great co parent. I had a

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Speaker 4: really difficult childhood because my parents fought constantly and fought

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Speaker 4: and like, that's awful, and I don't want to do

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Speaker 4: get along well with Stephen and be great co parents

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Speaker 4: because I want my children to have a very different

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Speaker 2: How will your experience over the past few years affect

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Speaker 2: dating in the future and finding a future spouse.

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Speaker 3: You'd like to get married again?

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Speaker 4: No, I actually do not ever want You don't want to.

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Speaker 3: Get married again?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're open to dating, but you don't want

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Speaker 2: the dating to result in marriage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to say that. I'm one hundred

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Speaker 4: fresh to me. Yeah, I am still healing in a

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Speaker 4: a few weeks ago with Bob and Trista. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: not that I don't ever want to get married again.

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Speaker 4: It's just that I don't necessarily need that piece of paper.

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Speaker 4: I've had a big wedding, I've done the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: I don't need that To be in a relationship and

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Speaker 4: be fully committed with someone that I choose as a companion,

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily need to get married again. But I

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Speaker 4: realize that may be important to whoever I should choose

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Speaker 4: I'm open to the conversation. But it's just not important

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Speaker 2: And I'm and like, you already have the kids, and like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you plan on more kids.

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Speaker 4: I don't want any more children. Like I feel pretty

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Speaker 4: solid where I'm at, and I feel really great with

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Speaker 4: am with my kids. I'm totally open, Like if someone

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Speaker 4: a good night's rest. And I am open to dating

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Speaker 4: someone who has children and having a blended family, like

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Speaker 4: that's totally fine. I just don't know that I necessarily

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Speaker 4: need that sheet of paper more, you know. And that's

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Speaker 4: also a blessing to Ashley. In this phase of my life.

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Speaker 4: When dating, there's there's no pressure, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm not sitting across on the table from someone thinking,

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Speaker 4: oh I see my future husband. Like there's literally no

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Speaker 4: pressure whatsoever because I've done it and I don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't have that biological clock being like

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Speaker 3: I need to find someone now, like you can just

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Speaker 3: take your time in finding someone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, Well, thank you for sharing all that.

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Speaker 2: I know you shared more with just Bob on the

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Speaker 2: almost famous og. So you guys can check that out.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Deanna is going to help me break down headlines this week.

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Speaker 3: We have quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: They're good ones. So first up we have Jesse Palmer.

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Speaker 2: He says that the Golden Bachelor contestants are rock stars.

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Speaker 2: The night did not end at ten pm. He said

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Speaker 2: that he was kind of expecting, because of their age,

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Speaker 2: I don't imagine most of my friends are on board.

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Speaker 4: Where are the forty two year old divorces that come

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Speaker 3: So you would like to be the lead if they

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Speaker 4: I am open to the conversation.

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Speaker 2: No, they'd get all like annoyed because then, like the

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Speaker 4: Not that going into it. There's no pressure. Twenty five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be good, It would definitely be good.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I don't understand how. I don't get like,

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Speaker 2: No way, Okay, let's move on from that. But I

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Speaker 3: Spin off for the forties and fifties could be on

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Speaker 2: Now. This one took a long time to get so

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying what happened quick, but it could happen.

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Speaker 4: But what would they call it? They can't call it

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Speaker 3: Definitely not your middle aged bachelor. Mama comes back saying

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Speaker 2: So other big headline this week is Joe Amable grocer

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Speaker 2: And the Bachelor Nation couples and just a lum that

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Speaker 5: I think that's it.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, yes, sa I am missing a few.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Spencer went public with Becca me she who's not

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Speaker 4: There were a lot of people that were there, but

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Speaker 3: Got married in the past week.

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Speaker 5: That yeah, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, next up is so so ridiculous. Jesse loves like

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Speaker 2: putting these things out there, and it's like, Jesse, why

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Speaker 2: are we even joking like this? Okay, let's like not

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Speaker 2: The ratings would be incredible. Yes, of course they would.

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Speaker 2: But Tom would never ever do it. There's not even

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Speaker 3: He doesn't need the money. He could.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he'd be there for love. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: But okay, fine, I got it hot.

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Speaker 4: From Bradley Cooper to him.

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Speaker 2: Oh exactly, thank you for that. It's just like they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, but yes, a little bit more on

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Speaker 2: it would be legendary. It would be great because we

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Speaker 2: the backyard.

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Speaker 3: And she just wanted to see his little body.

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Speaker 2: But it's just time to move on, she goes, I

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00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: held on for so long trying to trust my body,

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Speaker 2: but it is time to get to the other side

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Speaker 2: of this loss and start to heal. And then she said,

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Speaker 2: I've been trying to procab my peace and respect my baby.

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Speaker 2: So she's only sharing little bits and pieces to it.

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Speaker 2: But she just wanted to say to all the ladies

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Speaker 2: out there who have gone through this or are going

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Speaker 2: through this, I see you, I feel your pain, and

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 4: I think there's something really beautiful in that. I that

448
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Speaker 4: kind of loss was just so taboo to talk about

449
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 4: even even ten years ago, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Likes the thing where you don't tell people you're pregnant

451
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Speaker 4: until twelve weeks just to make sure nothing bad happens.

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Speaker 4: I never quite understood that, because should you experience the

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Speaker 4: devastating grief of loss like that, wouldn't you want your

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Speaker 4: people to walk alongside you, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So I've appreciated seeing her post and also Sarah Sarah

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Speaker 4: Heron she shared a lot about her loss and Ashley

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Speaker 4: Spivey and I just so much. Have just really appreciated

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Speaker 4: that because I don't feel like it should be this

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Speaker 4: taboo thing that we can't talk about, because why should

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Speaker 4: they experience that kind of grief and walk alongside it alone?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've been in my not all my child bearing

462
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Speaker 2: years have been in the ten years, but you know

463
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Speaker 2: what I mean, Like the years that I would have

464
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Speaker 2: been in that trying to conceive process have all been

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Speaker 2: with miscarriages being more talked about that I legit cannot

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Speaker 2: imagine ten years ago when they were just something that

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Speaker 2: you don't really share, and it's like it just seems

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Speaker 2: so wrong.

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Speaker 4: It does, right, but yes, he just the times in

470
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Speaker 4: general changing, like women are really proud of our bodies.

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Speaker 4: And when you're pregnant and you no longer have to

472
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Speaker 4: wear a tent and hydrobelly like you can wear a

473
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Speaker 4: he's like a normal human being, you know. Yeah, So

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Speaker 4: it's just really I think it's really beautiful the way

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Speaker 4: everything is progressing, and social media in particular giving people

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Speaker 4: a space to process and process grief and not have

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Speaker 4: to process alone, because grief in itself is something that's

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Speaker 4: really traumatic. And what gosh, what she has gone through, right, Jane,

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Speaker 4: what they have gone through, It's it's like devastating. It's devastating.

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Speaker 4: I know, you have to suffer through that alone.

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Speaker 2: It's awful to see her go through this when she

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Speaker 2: wanted that baby so bad, Like she just feels it

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Speaker 2: in her bones that she's supposed to have for So,

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Speaker 2: we'll see where this goes. They did say this week

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Speaker 2: that it's up in the air on mother they'll try

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Speaker 2: for another one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well.

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Speaker 2: In other baby news, Whitney Bischoff secretly gives birth to

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Speaker 2: baby number two, Welcome's daughter with Ricky Angel, her husband.

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Speaker 3: The new baby's name is Brady. Full circle moment here

491
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Speaker 3: Brady Carolina, and she posted on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: You were more than we ever expected and better than

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Speaker 2: we could have ever imagined. But she's speaking about like

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Speaker 2: hiding pregnancies and all that. She actually has kept this

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Speaker 2: private because they went through secondary infertility.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any idea what secondary infertility means?

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't, but I remember she was a fertility.

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Speaker 2: She is a she is a fertility nurse, so you know,

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Speaker 2: of all people going through this, I'm sure she had

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Speaker 2: a great amount of knowledge along the way. But they

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Speaker 2: had a baby four years ago and they have been trying.

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Speaker 2: She said last year that they were just not going

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Speaker 2: to give up on this and that Brady Carolina is Carolina.

504
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: Brady Carolina is an unexpected miracle after multiple rounds of

505
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Speaker 2: IVF egg retrievals, doctor visits three losses in an ectopic pregnancy.

506
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Speaker 2: And so after all that, they took a break, took

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Speaker 2: some time to heal, and now we're not sure whether

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Speaker 2: or not they started the IVF process or not, or

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Speaker 2: that just they conceived naturally. But it's been nine months

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Speaker 2: and now the baby is here, and that's just like

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Speaker 2: really awesome. That's so awesome. She documents it all in

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Speaker 2: a reel on Instagram. So happy for them. Yeah, this

513
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: is a fun headline. Justin Bieber accidentally photo bombs Matt

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Speaker 2: James's season alum Kit Keenan. She was at Hailey Bieber's

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Speaker 2: launch at a Krispy Kreme store for her new skincareline,

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Speaker 2: wrote Skin, And of course Hailey Bieber's husband, Justin Bieber,

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Speaker 2: was there and Kit was doing some little like kitchy

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Speaker 2: thing with like a little Krispy Kreme donut, and in

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00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: through the frame walks Justin Bieber. And this video of

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Speaker 2: her has got almost a million views right now. It

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Speaker 2: got over nine hundred thousand views in just sixteen hours.

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Speaker 2: And the comments are just like, oh my god, I

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00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: would have died completely floored. I would have simply passed away,

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Speaker 2: you know all the things.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I'm a believer. I would have done it too.

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Speaker 3: That's like awesome.

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Speaker 2: Like she probably was like not planning on getting a

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Speaker 2: picture with Justin, and then there it is.

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Speaker 3: She also got a picture with Haley, who.

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Speaker 2: She loves, and then finally we just got worried about

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Speaker 2: this about an hour ago.

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Speaker 3: It seems as if.

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00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: The Michael Alio and Danielle Malty relationship is could put

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Speaker 2: because while there's been speculation of this four months because

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Speaker 2: they haven't posted each other and they've said some strange

536
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Speaker 2: things about keeping their relationship now private, you know, after

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Speaker 2: being public for an entire year. But yeah, so she

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Speaker 2: deleted all of her Instagram pictures of him. So if

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Speaker 2: that doesn't tell you they're broken up nothing else. Well, Now,

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Speaker 2: what I think is really particularly unfortunate about this, Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was a very meaningful relationship because they both like

542
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: said I love you for the first time in a

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Speaker 2: long time since like the death of their loved ones.

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Speaker 2: It's the fact that she moved to Ohio and she

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Speaker 2: just picked up her life, that she'd been living in

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Speaker 2: Nashville for quite some time and now she's like settled

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Speaker 2: in Ohio and like, I don't think that she's gonna

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Speaker 2: be happy about that, and like she has I think

549
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: she may have opened her own medspa there or like

550
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Speaker 2: she's high in their rings at one there, and it's

551
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Speaker 2: just like.

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Speaker 3: Ugh, that sucks. How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 4: It's also Ohio, not a I'm in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like and it was like Akron, Ohio.

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Speaker 4: God in comparison to Nashville too. Uh, well, you know,

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00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: there's some beauty in it. She gave it her, all right, Like,

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00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: how else would it have worked? One of them had

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Speaker 4: to go to you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he wasn't going to because the child right right.

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Speaker 4: So you know, maybe she'll find beauty and starting over.

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Speaker 2: There maybe, or maybe she'll run back to Nashville. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's only a matter of time now that

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Speaker 2: we get an official announcement from them. Even though they

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Speaker 2: said they're not going to talk probably about the relationship,

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00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: I think we can say it's done.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, no reading machine lines.

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Speaker 2: No, all right, well, Gianna, it has been a pleasure

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Speaker 2: to have you here. Anything to say about headlines this

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Speaker 2: week or Bachelor Nation going forward?

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Speaker 4: No, but I appreciate you catching me up on all

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Speaker 4: the gossip.

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Speaker 3: Oh good. Thank you watching.

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Speaker 4: Cooking videos on Instagram to keep up with all the

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Speaker 4: bach the Nation couples. So thank you for filling me in, Ony.

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Speaker 2: Yes, anytime, all right, Well until then, until we see

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Speaker 2: you next time, we'll be rooting for more thirty year

577
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: olds to hit on you, and we'll also be rooting

578
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: for you to be the middle aged bachelorette.

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Speaker 4: All right, Okay, I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see you next time. Until then you know

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Speaker 2: how we sign off here. I've been Ashley, I'm Deanna amazing,

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Speaker 2: See yah bye.

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