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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. John Schunk pulled the Tino

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Speaker 1: the phone number for you two four five one three

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Speaker 1: or hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter if you want to

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Speaker 1: participate that way you can. A lot going on in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League today. It's Draft Day, Part two.

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Speaker 1: It's the Supplemental Draft. One o'clock is when we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get the um the bids put in for these players,

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Speaker 1: and we'll explain to you how that works with John

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Speaker 1: Ledyard from the Draft Network coming on in just a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes and he'll talk about that um with us. Poetots.

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Speaker 1: How are you, hey, Dave? Can you have Mike met

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Speaker 1: Paul's Mike as muchs I would love to have as

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Speaker 1: Mike meeting the whole show? It would be wonderful for me.

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Speaker 1: I think the fans might want to hear him a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I'm not sure. Uh. Good to see you, John.

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Speaker 1: Very excited about what we've got on tap today between

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Speaker 1: talking about the Supplemental Draft and the Carolina Panthers, well,

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Speaker 1: by the way, are certainly one of the more intriguing

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Speaker 1: teams the Giants have on the schedule. This year, they

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Speaker 1: really are. Jordan and Rod Reeg from the Charlotte Observer

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Speaker 1: covers them for that paper will be joining us at

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Speaker 1: twelve thirty. Al Right, before we get to John real

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Speaker 1: quick on how the supplemental draft works is really if

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Speaker 1: you've been in like an email based fantasy draft, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of how it works. Everybody kind of sends an

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Speaker 1: email to the league and saying I'm willing to bid

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Speaker 1: and the teams are put into groups based on record

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Speaker 1: from the year before, and the teams with the worst

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Speaker 1: record to get priority over the teams with the better record,

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Speaker 1: And whichever team puts the highest bid in on that

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Speaker 1: particular player, they will lose their draft pick in the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen NFL draft, um, and they will

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Speaker 1: select that player now. So if you think a player

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Speaker 1: is is legitimately worth the round in which they're selected, um,

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Speaker 1: you get them a year ahead, which obviously a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams would like to do. The Giants have used

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Speaker 1: a supplemental draft in the past. If you really go

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Speaker 1: back in time, I believe wasn't Gary Zimmerman, the offensive

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Speaker 1: onman from the Broncos a supplemental draft, but then he

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Speaker 1: went to the U s FL. He was a USFL

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Speaker 1: uh dissolved pick. That's what it was. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know. I knew it was a special circums. USFL

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Speaker 1: draft for those players. Zimmerman was that guy. Dave Brown

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Speaker 1: was a supplemental. That was the next mention was a supplemental.

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Speaker 1: And so what we know? One turned out, Why didn't

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Speaker 1: Zimmerman wind up with the Giants? They traded him. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it was trade. They traded, They traded his rights. That

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Speaker 1: was something like that. Oh, no, eight five. Well, let's see,

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Speaker 1: the USFL was eight three, eight four and eighty five

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Speaker 1: That's when the you know, Trump had pushed the whole

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Speaker 1: five anyway. Anyway, So Zimmerman was traded to the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: And you don't usually get um a lot of really

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Speaker 1: good players coming out of the summon mental drafts. A

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Speaker 1: lot of times this player is with some checkered backgrounds

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Speaker 1: and that's why they're in the supplemental draft to begin with,

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Speaker 1: Josh Gordon has been one of the most recent um

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Speaker 1: ever been a whole lot of them. So there's about

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Speaker 1: five guys that have their name in the mix, So

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Speaker 1: why don't we learn a little about them? And for

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Speaker 1: that we're joined by John Ledyard, our good buddy from

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Speaker 1: the Draft Network, Johnny got Schmilking Tatino here and his

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Speaker 1: mother Fred. How are you pal? Hey, I'm doing great, guys,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having mar John. Well, it's the

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Speaker 1: as from n d T scoutings. Why don't you tell

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Speaker 1: the folks a little bit about what you guys are doing?

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Speaker 1: You and Kyle Crabs another one of our frequent guests

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Speaker 1: here during draft season, and what's your new venture is? Yeah? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So the Draft Network is getta launch on August six,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be an exciting time because it's really

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Speaker 1: You can mock draft, you can pick whatever team you

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Speaker 1: a really cool simulation. We're excited to release. Build your

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft for really content. Will have a database of

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Speaker 1: length scouting reports for myself from Trevor Sikamo, from Joe Marino,

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Speaker 1: and then from Kyle Crabs. So it's just a really

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Speaker 1: exciting project because everybody loves the draft, but just getting

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Speaker 1: Twitter account for that endeavor. And there's were already previewing

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Speaker 1: look like tremendous. Well, John, let's talk about what you

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Speaker 1: know you've looked at the five guys that are available

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Speaker 1: what Sam bill All is all about as a football player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: As far as the interceptions, no, I think that when

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Speaker 1: there will be excess baggage that would force a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams not to even consider him. Right, and it

431
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Speaker 1: seems like there's still been a lot of buzz around

432
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Speaker 1: his name group based on the media reports, but I just,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, I really doubt those reports. I guess is

434
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Speaker 1: what I'm getting out. I just it's hard for me

435
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Speaker 1: to the team justifying a poor workout pour off the

436
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 1: field poor character in terms of you know, pademic coledge

437
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 1: ability or whatever like that and things like that, do

438
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Speaker 1: no work ethic, poor understanding of the defense that happened,

439
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Speaker 1: why it was a Brandiginia Tech and then really not

440
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Speaker 1: great cape and not great production either. So where's the

441
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Speaker 1: upside with Alexander? Where is something to get excited about?

442
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Speaker 1: You know, potential wise? And I know they don't have

443
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Speaker 1: quite as long to get ready for these pro days

444
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Speaker 1: as they do for the NFL Draft obviously for the

445
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Speaker 1: combine and stuff, but you would still hope that the

446
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Speaker 1: guy about to go into this season would be in

447
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Speaker 1: you know, the pretty good shape and be able to

448
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Speaker 1: at least, you know, show out him. And he was

449
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 1: rumored he jumped for the inches and jumped thirty five

450
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Speaker 1: and so just kind of everything's been underwhelming about him.

451
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Speaker 1: I was only gonna say, John, he checks all the

452
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Speaker 1: boxes you don't want to check. Yeah, pretty much, all right, John,

453
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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's jump to Brandon Bryant. Three year starter,

454
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Speaker 1: big program like Mississippi State um ran A four five

455
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Speaker 1: five as a free safety. Those are all pretty good

456
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Speaker 1: numbers that you like to see. Um what are the

457
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Speaker 1: some of things you like about Brandon Bryant. What are

458
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Speaker 1: some of the things that you think of some red flags. Yeah,

459
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 1: odd situation with Brian. You don't see a lot of

460
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Speaker 1: guys start early on in their career and then eventually

461
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Speaker 1: flame out. You know, largely I don't do the understanding

462
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Speaker 1: of the defense or whatever might be. It seemed like

463
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Speaker 1: he didn't really execute things very quickly. You know, mental

464
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Speaker 1: processing and instinct for him seemed to be really lacking.

465
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Speaker 1: He's the real deal as an athlete, though, I mean

466
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Speaker 1: a legit four four guy five eleven, two oh seven

467
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Speaker 1: like he's built. He will hit. Uh, he's very physical.

468
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Speaker 1: He just doesn't make a lot of plays on the ball.

469
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Speaker 1: He just doesn't make a lot of plays period. No,

470
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Speaker 1: you talked about guy that just he was okay on tape,

471
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Speaker 1: but just lack production. I just did not think there

472
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Speaker 1: was a lot of great production with Brian. I wonder

473
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Speaker 1: if he's instinctive enough to really use his athleticism in

474
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Speaker 1: zone conquage on the back end. You know, you'd see

475
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Speaker 1: it guy his size, his build, with his range and

476
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Speaker 1: his ability to run and you think, oh, single high

477
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Speaker 1: free safety. He just didn't make any plays in that

478
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Speaker 1: type of role. You know, he just wasn't he wasn't

479
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Speaker 1: a factor. I think his whole career. He only had

480
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Speaker 1: a handful of pass break this whole career, and that

481
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Speaker 1: can sometimes be misleading, but when you look at the tape,

482
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Speaker 1: he's just he's never on the ball. He just doesn't

483
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Speaker 1: make him lot of play. So, you know, I wonder

484
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Speaker 1: if he might be at his best in the NFL

485
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Speaker 1: and like a slock corner role, you know, in a

486
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Speaker 1: man heavy coverage scheme where he's just asked to do

487
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Speaker 1: focus on one thing and I have to probably get

488
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Speaker 1: there technically. He did see us a little bit of

489
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Speaker 1: reps like that in the Mississippi State, But I wonder

490
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Speaker 1: if that's a role for him in the NFL. Um Again,

491
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Speaker 1: hard to see a guy like that that's had his

492
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Speaker 1: issues and he and he talked about before. He said

493
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Speaker 1: before that he thought about walking away from the game

494
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Speaker 1: of football. That is going to scare teams, wrong as

495
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Speaker 1: it might be. That will scare teams more than some

496
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Speaker 1: of the offield issues that these other guys have. I mean,

497
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Speaker 1: that will scare teams because they want to know he's committed. Yeah, John,

498
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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny what I've done some tapework on him,

499
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Speaker 1: and I saw a very inconsistent motor, and you know

500
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Speaker 1: that lends itself to all the kinds of characteristics that

501
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Speaker 1: you just talked about. And if I'm gonna waste, I

502
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Speaker 1: don't want to say waste. If I'm going to an

503
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Speaker 1: effect trade one of next year's draft picks for a guy,

504
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Speaker 1: he better have the int angebles of of someone who's

505
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Speaker 1: going to go out there and compete on every play.

506
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Speaker 1: That's gonna have to be one of the boxes that

507
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Speaker 1: I checked. It's gotta be absolutely absolutely And I think

508
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Speaker 1: with Brant, one thing you are getting is I think

509
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Speaker 1: you will help you on special teams. Um, he is

510
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: a pretty good tackler and he will hit. You see

511
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Speaker 1: that aggressive us is him. But you're right, the motor

512
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of comes and goes. I think if you can

513
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Speaker 1: get him to buy in, and you're confident that he's

514
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Speaker 1: bought in and he's gonna work hard, you can get

515
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Speaker 1: special teams are upside of him right away. Like you said,

516
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Speaker 1: he has playing experience. He's not like a super raw

517
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Speaker 1: guy or anything. I just don't know if his athletic

518
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Speaker 1: traits will ever match up with on field production, which

519
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Speaker 1: is ultimately what you want. Plus there's the other concerns.

520
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Speaker 1: So depending on where he's at with how teams view

521
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Speaker 1: him in terms of his commitments to the game of

522
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Speaker 1: football and effort and things like that, character, he could

523
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Speaker 1: go anywhere from probably that fifth to not being drafted

524
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Speaker 1: at all. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. But if

525
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Speaker 1: he's not drafted, you're gonna know why. If I donnost

526
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Speaker 1: Alexander isn't drafted, it could be for a myriad of reasons.

527
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Speaker 1: If Brandon Branson's asked that, it's gonna because nobody believes

528
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Speaker 1: and who he was off the field, who he was

529
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Speaker 1: a character wise, you know, in terms of that kind

530
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Speaker 1: of stuff. So if that happens, you'll know what the

531
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Speaker 1: reasons were for Brandon Bryan John final question um from me,

532
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Speaker 1: And there are two guys that kind of joined the

533
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Speaker 1: fray late here. Most people think they're not gonna go

534
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Speaker 1: drafted Bright Wibu and I think I got that right,

535
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: the linebacker of Oregon State and then um the running

536
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Speaker 1: back UM out of Grand Valley State, Martevious Carter. Can

537
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Speaker 1: you give me a little thumbnails on those two guys

538
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Speaker 1: and whether or not do you think they have any

539
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Speaker 1: chance of being selected in the supplemental draft. Yeah, I've

540
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Speaker 1: seen very little of them. I know the linebacker and

541
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Speaker 1: I won't to venture to try and say his name.

542
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Speaker 1: He tested, He tested horrendously. I think he's like two

543
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Speaker 1: hundred and five pounds or something, and he tested horrendously

544
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Speaker 1: this pro day. So, I mean, I don't know that

545
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Speaker 1: there's a lot offside for drafting a guy like that.

546
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Speaker 1: You know, it's just a full on project. I would

547
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: be flowed if anybody looked at him. Um, for the

548
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Speaker 1: running back, I think you Carter was interesting. I think

549
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Speaker 1: that he actually has some ability. I just I don't

550
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: think he's like a great athlete or anything like that,

551
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: but decent size and he did look okay on tape

552
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: that I saw. So again, it's just kind of a

553
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: crowd of position in the NFL A lot of times.

554
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: If you're gonna bring a guy, and at this point

555
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 1: in the process, you want to know there's some upside

556
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Speaker 1: with him. You know, running backs not a position that

557
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: typically pervertize anyway in the draft, and he would definitely

558
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Speaker 1: be in that fifth to seventh round range, you know.

559
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Speaker 1: So you know, once you get into that range of

560
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Speaker 1: draft picks, I wonder how much teams think, because I mean,

561
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Speaker 1: the vast majority of fifth to seventh rounders probably aren't

562
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Speaker 1: gonna make your team. So you're one guys that are

563
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Speaker 1: have some upside, you know, to be an outlier in

564
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Speaker 1: that way, and I just don't know that he has that.

565
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Speaker 1: So I'd be surprised if either of those guys that

566
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Speaker 1: get drafted today. I think your best bets are Beal

567
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Speaker 1: and Alexander, and Briant could go above Alexander just kind

568
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Speaker 1: of depends on where teams see him in terms of

569
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Speaker 1: his commendment to football, John, I kind of saw Carter

570
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: to me as a really good practice squad player, which

571
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Speaker 1: means you don't use subpimental draft choice on him. Okay,

572
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I think he can help you out in practice. I

573
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: think you know he can mimic and mock other teams

574
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: key players and help you out that way, but you

575
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: don't want to use a pick on them. I'm gonna

576
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: ask you this, John, because I said to John here yesterday,

577
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if none of these guys got picked,

578
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: because I suspect there are a number of teams that

579
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Speaker 1: will wait till after this draft is over and say,

580
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm kind of interested, but not for

581
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Speaker 1: a draft pick. I'd much rather make that free agent

582
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: call at the end of the day, because this way,

583
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm only putting a couple of dollars on the table,

584
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna have to forfeit a draft pick.

585
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: I bet you they're gonna be a lot more suitors

586
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: who feel that way, even about Beal, who I think

587
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: is probably in my mind, the only guy who really

588
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: has a chance to get drafted at all. Yeah, I

589
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: think that one thing is for sure, You're you're more

590
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: it's more likely to lean your way in terms that

591
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: nobody getting drafted than it is for a couple of

592
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Speaker 1: these guys to get drafted higher than people are saying.

593
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: You know, the topple all draft is not get a

594
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Speaker 1: lot of people drafted for a good reason. You know,

595
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: it's just not a process a lot of teams really

596
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: invest themselves in. There. Seems like there's been some real

597
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: investment in this process. So I do buy the noise

598
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. But if Bill's the only one drafted,

599
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be very surprised, being we'll know why. I

600
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: think it'll be because of some characters, stuff with Alexander

601
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: and Brant. But you know I I have gone with you,

602
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: I would not be super surprised if he's the only

603
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: undrafted that wouldn't be super surprised if he ends up

604
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: being lower than a third round bit either, because it's

605
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: just we we hype up this upper we all draft

606
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of that much to talk

607
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: about in this year. We actually have prospects that aren't

608
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: better than typical years. They are and er names and

609
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: typical years, but the reality is still that teams are

610
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: not really highly invested in these guys. Well, John, I'm

611
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: gonna ask you an impossible question, but I'm gonna expect

612
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: a great answer. So here we go. Broad stroke two

613
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen draft class any positions were particularly heavy

614
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Speaker 1: at what are we looking at next year in terms

615
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: of UM Where we think there's gonna be a real

616
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: focus in the first couple of rounds of this draft,

617
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: obviously understanding it's super duper early, Yeah, it is, it's

618
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: extremely early. I think interior defensive line looks like why

619
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: you can probably count on um. You know, there's a

620
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: really good group there at Oliver's the real deal, you know,

621
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Raakwan Davis, Jeffrey Simmons from Mississippi State, Roshad Lawrence from LSU.

622
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: There's of course the Auburn who have the Clemson guys

623
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: get a lot of love, Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins.

624
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: I think that luster will fade a little bit with

625
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: those guys, but I still think they're gonna be in

626
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: the top one hundred discussion um Derek Brown and don

627
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: Javius Russell and probably even Andrew Williams from Auburn, Terry

628
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: Backham from Missouri, Jerry Killery from Notre Dame. There's just

629
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: a ton of names for the interior defensive line group

630
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: and it could be the comeback of the big receiver.

631
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, we just haven't had a lot of big receivers,

632
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Williams stands out, and a lot of

633
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: them haven't been good that have been in the last

634
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: couple of drafts. So there are names that are intriguing.

635
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: There are athleticism concerns about just about all of them,

636
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: and that's been somewhat at the downfall with the Lakwan

637
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: Treadwell types. A J. Brown from will miss and kill

638
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: Harry from Arizona State. So you've got some guys in

639
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: that mold Juwan Jennings from Tennessee. I'm trying to think

640
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: of a couple others, the kid from Kelvin Harmon from

641
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: NCY State. You've got some big receivers, even calling Johnson

642
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: from Texas. A lot of big receivers that are probably

643
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: gonna put up some good college production this season, especially

644
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: with a lot of their quarterback situations, a lot of

645
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: their offenses. It's kind of an ideal fit. I think

646
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna see these guys get a lot of buzz,

647
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: but that could fade again as the combine rolls around

648
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: because the ton is going to depend on their athletic testing,

649
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: so that type of receiver might be back. And then

650
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: you've got, of course, some running backs. There's some tackles

651
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: that are worth talking about. No other position group looks

652
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: really great right now though, outside of interior defensive line.

653
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: Who who like the consensus top guy everyone's watching that

654
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: people think is going to be the top overall picket

655
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, so Joey Boss Brother Nick Bosum

656
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: Ohio State is is really in the discussion. It would

657
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: be you know, I would be Florida if he isn't

658
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: a top five pick, you know, I mean at least,

659
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: and it will depend. He'll be probably one the best

660
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: other non quarterback. He'll probably be the top guy taken.

661
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: If he isn't, it'll be because at Oliver Houston, for

662
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: his defensive tackle at Oliver, he could also be in

663
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: that conversation. I mean, just insane athlete on the interior

664
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: defensive line for Houston, moves really really well. Gonna get

665
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot of Aaron Donald comps. I don't think he's

666
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: quite as polished as Donald was coming out, but he's

667
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: got this whole year to prove, you know how far

668
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: he's coming. Stuff so awesome. I think both those two

669
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: guys are looking like the top two guys. John, great

670
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: stuff as always, Man, We appreciate it. We're probably not

671
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Speaker 1: gonna talk to you for a few months here, so

672
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: stay busy. Good luck. Again. It's the Draft Network dot

673
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Speaker 1: com folks. Make sure you uh you go check it out.

674
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Speaker 1: And what's the launch date for that again, John, launch

675
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Speaker 1: date is August six, Make sure you go check it out. John.

676
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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks absolutely,

677
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Speaker 1: Thanks John, Thanks Paul, appreciate it. John Ledier The Draft Network.

678
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Speaker 1: Go to um Draft Network LLC on Twitter and you

679
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Speaker 1: can get it there and you heard the release date.

680
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Speaker 1: And now we jump to our next guests as we

681
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Speaker 1: continue our previewing of Giants opponents, and for that we're

682
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: joined by Jordan rod Reeg. She covers the Carolina Panthers

683
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: for the Charlotte Observer. Jordan, you've got John Schmilk and

684
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Paul Datino up here in East Rutherford, New Jersey. Good afternoon.

685
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: How are you today? Hey, guys, I'm doing great. That

686
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: sounds like you're about ten disciples short of a full

687
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: plate over there, John and Paul, you're right, good call.

688
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: All right, Jordan, let's get going here first. But I

689
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: think the Panthers are very interesting. Um, you're changing offensive coordinators,

690
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: You've brought in some skill position players in the off season.

691
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: What's the expectation here for how much change? Um? We

692
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: think we're going to see out of this Panther's offense

693
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: this year with Norv Turner coming in there. Well, what

694
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: what I think people forget is that the Panthers offense

695
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: since Ron Rivera got there in two thousand eleven and

696
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: hired Rob Chizinski to run the offense, UM, it has

697
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: been borrowing from Norv Turner for you know, the last

698
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: almost a decade at this point, Mike Schula also borrowed

699
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: from the North Turner offense as well. So while some

700
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: terminology has changed, and I think some concepts will look

701
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: different because the skills of some of the players are different.

702
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: You know, they have Cam Newton and his ability to

703
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: run as well as pass, and you Christian mccalf reasability

704
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: to pass, catching back, a lot of versatile pieces in

705
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: the offense. So I think some concepts that will change,

706
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: But in terms of the overall offense, I think it's

707
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna look very similar to what we've seen from North

708
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: Turner offenses in the past. Um. I kind of like

709
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: in it too when North Turner coached the Chargers obviously

710
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: with Ron Rivera, that defensive coordinator and um, but instead

711
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: you add the threat of a running quarterback, and I

712
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of have been trying to describe what I think

713
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: we'll see from Carolina as similar to that, but with

714
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback you can run the football as well. Where

715
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: where do you believe Cam Newton's career is going from here?

716
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: He's had some spectacular seasons, He's also had some very

717
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: difficult moments. Let's not kid ourselves at times, you shake

718
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: your head and you wonder where this guy is coming from.

719
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: It's time that, you know, we take the kid gloves

720
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: off and we talk about Cam Newton is what Cam

721
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: Newton is. He's no longer a guy who has potential.

722
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: He's no longer in the early stages of his career.

723
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Let's face it, he's been in this league now for

724
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: over a handful of years as a starter. We now

725
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: have to identify him as what he is. So exactly

726
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: what is he? In your mind? Well, I kind of

727
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: actually have to disagree with you a little bit there.

728
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: I think that there is potential there, but the potential

729
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: is for consistency, and I think that's something that North

730
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: Turner really wants to implement more, is having that consistent

731
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: game over game is you know, the best game of

732
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: his life mentality, um and performance. You know, we see

733
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of a wake up call for this team in

734
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: last year's wild card game when you know they're playing

735
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: with receivers that read like, you know, the the last

736
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: four names on a legal document. Nobody has heard of them.

737
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's just kind of one of these

738
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: these things where you know, he he has he's trying

739
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: to play the best game of his life with no

740
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: pieces around him other than Christian McCaffrey. So I think

741
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: one of those one of the things that north Turner

742
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: wanted to do is make sure that everyone in that

743
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: offense on the same page. That's what they brought in

744
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: all these new receivers. UM drafted Dj Moore and will

745
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: continue to use Christian McCaffrey the way that they have.

746
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: But in terms of of Cam Newton's performance, we all

747
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: see what he is capable of. I mean, defenses are

748
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: constantly having to throw out the playbook and reprepare for

749
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: him because of what he can do with his legs.

750
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: So north Turner, I think, will want to capitalize on

751
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: the threat that he can be as well as just

752
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: getting things a little bit more consistent. And I think

753
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: with consistency will come more success um, you know, game

754
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: over game than maybe we've seen in recent years with

755
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: that consistent factor. Joyan's funny with with Cam and to me,

756
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: he's really unique because I almost feel like watching him,

757
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: he's more accurate on those twelve to twenty yard passes

758
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: down the field on slants and in cuts and outs

759
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: then he is on some of those touch passes that

760
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: he's maybe thrown McCaffrey out of the backfield in the

761
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: five to seven yard range. And I think with north

762
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: Turner's offense, the way he likes to get the ball

763
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: down the field, it seems like Newton's arm strength and

764
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: his ability to throw accurately down the field really fits

765
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: with the type of stuff that Newton is good at

766
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: as a passer. No, yeah, it absolutely does. I think

767
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: that they also brought in pieces around him that can

768
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: get down the field. You know, it's a huge mistake

769
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: to have Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess has kind of

770
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: these twin powers on the outside. UM and Devin funches

771
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, he's a speedy guy, but you know Kelvin

772
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: lumbering down the field. You know, there's not a whole

773
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: lot of options there if you're if you're just running

774
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: straight down the field. Time master time in that in

775
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: that Shoela's authensic system. So I think that, you know, UM,

776
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: that type of pass will be something we'll see maybe

777
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more of. UM. I also think that

778
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: they're not going to shy away from these types of

779
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: check down and it's it's about trusting the guy you're

780
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: checking down to to be able to create space with

781
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: his legs. I think that not having a rookie pass

782
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: catching back um catching those checkdowns, you know Christian will

783
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: be a second year player. DJ Moore can create a

784
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: ton of space using his body and his legs um,

785
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: which is why the O there's really really liked him

786
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: and and those types of things. I think they want

787
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: to create more yards of some of those passes, as

788
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: well as opening the filled up with those deepots that

789
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: we all know, Keviny you can sling the ball. I

790
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: mean what Porrigo set over the mountains, so we we

791
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: know he could do that. So I think he wants

792
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: to hold defensive accountable with the kind of adding depth

793
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: in the route levels, but also making sure that they're

794
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: not straying away from the gifts that he does. And

795
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: you're right that the gift of the deep ball is

796
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: still there. Yeah, And look, I don't think any of

797
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: us doubt Christian McCaffrey's ability as a receiver. In fact,

798
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they used them down the

799
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: field a little bit more this year than they used

800
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: them last year on some wheel rous and things like that.

801
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: How much more are we going to see him you

802
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: think though as a traditional running back this year obviously,

803
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: I think what he has six or seven carries a

804
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: game last year, maybe eight, How much of an uptick

805
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: in load as a runner are we going to see

806
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 1: from McCaffrey this year. Yeah, you know, I know they'd

807
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: like to get him more carries because he's got to

808
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: establish a rhythm and he's got to get that confidence

809
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: when he's finding his gats and having that patience to

810
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: see what's opening up in front of him. But I

811
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: think that UM, with a guy like C. J. Anderson

812
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: on the roster, they really want him to be the

813
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: lead workhorse back in terms of a loosening the defensive

814
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: front up. So we're probably gonna see something similar to

815
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: the Stuart McCaffrey comment that we saw last year. I

816
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: could see Christian getting a few more carried, but we

817
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: can't get ourselves here. His gifts are just so much

818
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: there's so much value with him as a receiver UM

819
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: and using him in the intermediary, in into intermediary and also,

820
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: like you said, on the wheel routes, there's there's just

821
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: no stopping it. So I think mixing it up a

822
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: lot will be UM really important with him as a receiver.

823
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: As far as this carried, I think he's he's got

824
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: a lot to prove. Honestly, averaged something like three yards

825
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: a carry um when he did get carried, you know,

826
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: last year, and that's just unacceptable for our running back

827
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: in this league. How much do you think Greg Olson

828
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: has left as a top notch passing threat in in

829
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: this offense? I mean there was some talk I thought

830
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: last year that he had done some TV although he

831
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: almost has one foot in the broadcast, So I mean,

832
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: is he going to still be the player that we're

833
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: used to seeing or is he not not all there

834
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: right now? Oh? He's He's he's fully there. You know

835
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: his broadcast um demos. I guess yeah, what you could

836
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: call it was kind of for getting reps um. You know,

837
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: there's there's always talk about contracts, extensions and things like that,

838
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that had a little something to do

839
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: with it as well. Um, But I think that Greg

840
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: Greg we kind of call him Mr. Reliable because you

841
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get from him consistently, You're going

842
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: to get kind of this perfect route running and a

843
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: wide catch window and camp Newton can just pit the

844
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: ball wherever with with Greg Olson and Greg we'll we'll

845
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: catch it. So that's the thing that you're going to

846
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: get from him, um, which is just another layer that

847
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: the Panthers need. You know, they meet that big, that

848
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: big tight end out there running routes. And you know,

849
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sleep on a guy like Ian Thomas. He's

850
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: the rookie fourth round draft who was just so far

851
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: even in the spring when you know you're ready against air,

852
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: that he has just shown some explosive and massive potential.

853
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that lights of

854
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: fire and her griggles and feels a little bit and

855
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: we see a couple early solid years for him. We're

856
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: drawn by Jordan Rodery covers the Carolina Panthers for the

857
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: Charlotte Observer. How about the offensive line, Jordan, I think

858
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: that gets lost in the mix a little bit. Um

859
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: not a ton of room to run. Last year you

860
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: mentioned Christian McCaffrey yards per carry. You know, Cam Newton,

861
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: if he wasn't two hundred and fifty pounds, I feel

862
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: like he woant to survive the year he got hit

863
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: an awful lot. I know a lot of that has

864
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: to do with him running the ball and also holding

865
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. But do you think the team expects

866
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: some progression here from this offensive line and being a

867
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: little bit more consistent this year. Well, they expect it,

868
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if they're gonna get it, guys,

869
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: because they love to Andrew Norwell. So, um, I think

870
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: that you're absolutely right, you have to. You know, look,

871
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: they they they're preaching so much this wanting to have

872
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: the longittivity of the quarterback. They want Cam Newton to

873
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: be held be and we know he's at his best

874
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: when he feels good. Um, when he's getting the crap

875
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: kicked out of him by opposing defensive linemen and linebackers,

876
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: that's just not possible. We've seen that by the way

877
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: up here too. Well, that happens to the quarterback. Yeah, yeah,

878
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: I know, you guys, that's something something about her flowers.

879
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but um, yeah, so I think that

880
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where, um, you know,

881
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: they preached this year over a year that they want

882
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: to protect, protect, protect, but a lot of time you

883
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: see that there's this kind of this early early in

884
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: the year especially, you see kind of the failure of

885
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: that to happen, and this year they need to really

886
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: get out of the gate quickly, especially establishing that despite

887
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: the fact that they lost their All Pro guard engineer,

888
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: while one of the best in the game, you know

889
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: they're going to be okay behind him. There's kind of

890
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: this rotating contingency plan so far that training camp is

891
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: going to kind of settle once and for all who

892
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: can take that spot. But it's between you know, a

893
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: guy like a minie see it's all who's kind of

894
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: floated around um and been in and out of injury,

895
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: and the second year player who nobody was nobody's even

896
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: seen him take a staff at guard and he's who

897
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: playing swing tackle. So it's one of those things where

898
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, you preach and preach, but you know, I

899
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: got to see some action on that front before I

900
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: believe that they think they can be more consistent offensive line.

901
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: When I said Cam Newton will run the ball as

902
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: much as he has in the past, I hate to

903
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: say it, but I think he might have to. And

904
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: and you know what, you don't want that that that's

905
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: not something you want, but if you know, if you

906
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: have to, you have to, not for a guy who's

907
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: seven years into the league. Now that's a bad idea.

908
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Let me flip into defense. If I can't. Let's talk

909
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: about that front seven, because they're terrific. Obviously a man

910
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: handle people against the run, the linebackers, Thompson, kick Lee,

911
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: Davis what. We don't even have to tell you. They're terrific.

912
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: We all know that. But I wonder about Addison and Peppers,

913
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: who last year each had double digit sacks. And Peppers

914
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: it seems as though he is as long in the

915
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: tooth as a mastodon, but he keeps going. I don't

916
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: know how he does it, but he keeps going. So

917
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: please describe for me. Would you expect to see out

918
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: of this front seven? Are they able to repeat you

919
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: think what they did last year when they were very stout?

920
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: Or or is the clock ticking on some of these guys?

921
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: Can I use that? By the way, can I do

922
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I have permission to use that in the lead somewhere?

923
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: Because that's pretty good long in the tooth of a mastadon,

924
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: because you're about the size of one too. I mean,

925
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen him. He's a terrifying figure when

926
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: he's chasing chasing a quarterback down. But um, yeah, you

927
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: know I think it's going to be interesting because Eric Washington,

928
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: who obviously got the promotion the defensive coordinator, UM kind

929
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: of has a lot on his plate in terms of

930
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: this rotation that this defensive line likes to use and

931
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: communicating that UM into you know, new coordinators in the

932
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: in the system. And I think that UM, Eric really

933
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: appreciates the fact that these guys will play, you know,

934
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: of the snaps, rotating with you know, fresh legs every

935
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: two or three snaps, and they like to rush on

936
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: the inside, they like to rush on the outside, they

937
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: like to blit all the different types of waves. I

938
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see just as aggressive side of Julius

939
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: Peppers and Mario Addison. Mario Addison is one of those

940
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: rare players who he's actually only just now hitting kind

941
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: of his prime after a long climb from an undrafted

942
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: free agent into what he is now. And I think

943
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: we're also going to see a big year from Wes Horton,

944
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: the kid from California who's gonna um come in and

945
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: rotate with Julius Peppers to make sure he can spell

946
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: him and have fresh legs and and he can also

947
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: rush from the inside as well. UM. But I think

948
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: a big important question that this defense faces is actually

949
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: with the linebackers, which is rare because the linebackers are

950
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: the most consistent thing year over year UM that that

951
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: has been on this team. But Thomas Davis will miss

952
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: the first four games with suspension UM after violating the

953
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: least performance enhancing substance policy. So Shaq Thompson will be

954
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: starting at linebacker, and I think there'll be a lot

955
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: more in their traditional nickel package to start the year. UM.

956
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: But I also think that they're going to rotate the

957
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: players in and out a lot because I think they're

958
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: gonna want to play more matchup instead of UM just

959
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: kind of these linebackers who have been able to stay

960
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: on the field and and do whatever has been asking them,

961
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to rotate players in and

962
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: out a lot based on whoever is facing them. So

963
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: Eric Washingman has a handful with that front. But I

964
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: honestly think this defensive line, UM, it's kind of being overlooked,

965
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: and I think we'll add a lot of stability into

966
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: what happens behind them with those linebackers in that nickel package.

967
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: I want to follow up on on another player in

968
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: that front seven and you know, heading out of Super

969
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty, I think everyone looked and they said, wow,

970
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: Kawan Short, coney Ely two young guys that are on

971
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: their rookie contracts. They look like, you know, world beaters.

972
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: And coney Ely's gone. He's been on two or three

973
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: different teams since not now he's with the Cowboys, And

974
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Kauan Short hasn't quite fulfilled the potential

975
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: and the promise that a lot of people saw. What's

976
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: your take on him? Do you still think there's room

977
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: for him to grow and fulfill that potential or has

978
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: he kind of settled into what he is? Well? Actually,

979
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: I quite disagree with you, respectfully, of course, is I

980
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: think I could. I just I don't want to disagree

981
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: that's respectfully. Of course we all disagree with him. Um,

982
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: I think k K Short is is one of the

983
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: most weirdly versatile and productive defensive lineman in this National

984
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Football League, to be honest with you, because the little

985
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: things that he does during a game. Um, not only

986
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: do they expect him to rush from the interior, but

987
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: they also expect him to eat space alongside. Now it'll

988
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: beat Dontaripo, but he is kind of the heart and

989
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: soul of this defensive line. So when you see guys

990
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: like Julius Peppers get freed up, when you see um

991
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: Mario Addison get freed up, it's because a guy like

992
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: KK has gotten penetration UM, and it's because he's wrecked

993
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: one or two players up. And it's because he's kind

994
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: of done these little things that that a lot of

995
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: people don't see that kind of have made him so

996
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: consistent on this defensive line. You know, you see that

997
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: they build pieces around him. I mean, even a legend

998
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: like Julius Peppers and and let's face it, on off

999
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: theme biased we all know he's going to be a

1000
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer, they're not building a defensive

1001
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: line around him. Look at this defensive line over the

1002
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: last five years, they've built this around the potential of

1003
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: of KK short and so I think that, um, that's

1004
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: something that will be really important this year, not only

1005
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: his health, but also how he maintains through getting a

1006
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: new guy lining up beside the letter they lost Starlow

1007
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: two lay, but also this rotation that's going to continue happening,

1008
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: and so far, you know last year he balanced that

1009
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: pretty well. After you know, the team lost Charles Charles

1010
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: Johnson peb suspension, you know, he still had to hold

1011
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: everything together, and I think that that was a really

1012
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: impressive sign of what he's capable of, the fact that

1013
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: that line produced even better in the latter half of

1014
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: the year with so much inconsistency and with everyone bang

1015
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: that's the way they were um, which I thought was

1016
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: pretty telling. Jordan, And honestly, this is why we like

1017
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: having people that that cover the teams on because you know,

1018
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: you look, you looked at Kuan Shorts eleven and a

1019
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: half sack season three years ago and then it's been

1020
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: down to seven or six, and from the outside looking

1021
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: if you're not watching the team every day, you don't

1022
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: see the little things that you do covering the team,

1023
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: which is exactly why we like having people like you.

1024
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, in John's defense, and two fifteen, he goes

1025
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl, has not gone in each of

1026
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: the ensuing two ters. So from the outside looking in,

1027
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: you say, well, maybe he's not fulfilled his potential. Why

1028
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: didn't he go to three straight Pro Bowls? Right? But

1029
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: obviously that's not the case because he because he's not

1030
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: being put in position to be that three technique or

1031
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: all you're asking to do is get after the quarterback.

1032
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: His responsibilities are a lot different. Same deal with Demon

1033
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: SNACKX Harrison here, by the way, he's never made he's

1034
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: never made a Pro Bowl, and he's the best run

1035
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: stopping defensive lineman in football. And until you see some

1036
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: of these guys in the trenches close up, you're not

1037
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: gonna see the effect they have on the entire defense. Well,

1038
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate the question, Then all right, let's go to

1039
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: the secondary second, because you guys got a former Giant

1040
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: in Ross Cockrell who signed a pretty healthy deal to

1041
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: go to Carolina, and from what I understand, the comments

1042
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: he made when he got to Carolina was, hey, it

1043
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: was too good of of a financial package for him

1044
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: to turn down. The Giants were happy with him last

1045
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: year when they got him in a trade from the

1046
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: Steelers right before the season. A lot of people didn't

1047
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: know what he was gonna do. But he played here

1048
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: in a in a different scheme than he had in Pittsburgh,

1049
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: played a lot of press man to man, did a

1050
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: very solid job, and and Carolina opened up the bank

1051
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: vault and game a really nice package. I'm curious as

1052
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: to how you see him fitting in down there, Well,

1053
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: I think, well, I'm he's probably one of the players

1054
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: that I'm most interested in in watching this training camp

1055
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: because Ron Rivers is something kind of sobering, um, kind

1056
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: of a message to his entire defense, and that the

1057
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: secondary had not had the same players in it year

1058
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: over years since he got here, and she does eleven

1059
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: because and we all saw what happened when the Panthers

1060
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: let Josh Norman walk and had to shop Hungary in

1061
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: that draft and picked up three quarters and the second

1062
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: and third round and fourth rounds and only one of

1063
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: them is left now. And I think that so adding

1064
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: a guy with the smarts that rasp krkl had because

1065
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to him, and you guys know

1066
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: this better than I do, that the guy seems brilliant,

1067
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: honestly and and really has a great mind for the

1068
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: game and just tremendously athletic as well. Again, obviously I've

1069
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: only seen his tape and watched him play against air

1070
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: in spring workouts, But camp will be really interesting because

1071
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: I know, like I said about that front seven, they

1072
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: want to play a lot of matchups. They want to

1073
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: be more aggressive and more physical um than they have

1074
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: been in in in this NFC South especially you know,

1075
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: got games are excuse me, offenses they're gonna be facing,

1076
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, twice a year at least. Um, there's a

1077
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: ton of mismatches that these teams have kind of been stockpiling.

1078
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: And you know, they'll have like the big intel receiver

1079
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: on the outside. They'll have the pass catching tight and

1080
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: past catching back, you know, running them up in the middle.

1081
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: And they also have a speedy slot guy and a

1082
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: speedy outside another speedy outside guy. And I think that, um,

1083
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: the Panthers, what they're trying to do is establish one

1084
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the quote unquote shutdown corner, the

1085
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: one that you know you always hear about. James Bradberry

1086
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: needs to step up and still that role. Um, he

1087
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: has not done that yet, so this year will be

1088
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: big for him in his third year. And and I

1089
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: think they're trying to figure out where everyone else fits in.

1090
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: They brought in you know, John st Jackson, the lightning

1091
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: fast kids, free ballashi sail over the field, Rashaan Galden.

1092
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: He's kind of this big, physical, maybe a little bit slow.

1093
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: I kind of likened him to like a Humby vehicle,

1094
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: you kind of can just do go on whatever terrain,

1095
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna get their super fast. Um. So

1096
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: he's smart kid, though, so you know his versatility will

1097
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: be important. And they have all these pieces, ros Coco

1098
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: being one of them, Keevan Seymour being another one, Donors

1099
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: Star seeing another one. Mike Adam's obviously holding it down

1100
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: at safety, and I think that that will be really

1101
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: interesting to see the types of matchups that they play

1102
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: in which they play ross cock roll, because he seems

1103
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: capable of playing anyone on the field. And I think

1104
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: they were even working that a little bit at Nickel Um,

1105
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: which they're going to rely on heavily early on with

1106
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: Shack Thompson playing linebacker. UM. So I think that watching

1107
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: what he can do this camp will be really exciting

1108
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: because you know what I've seen and what I've heard

1109
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: of him, He's really smart. He knows where to put

1110
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: his body in his hands to kind of disrupt routes

1111
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: and disrupt a receiver at the catch point. Um. And

1112
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be something that the Panthers

1113
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: really are wanting to rely on and and most importantly,

1114
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: they want consistency. Whoever steps up at that opposite corner

1115
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: position needs to do it consistently from day one, and

1116
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: I think ross Cock is in a good position to

1117
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: do that. We're drawn by Jordan Rodrigue. Charlotte Observer covers

1118
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: the Panthers. Jordan's I don't know the Panthers this year.

1119
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: You're in what I consider the best division in football

1120
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. You've got some very good teams.

1121
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: We'll see about the pant With the Buccaneers and Jameis

1122
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: win then obviously that's a big red flag, but there's

1123
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of margin for error. When you're

1124
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: in a scene division is the Falcons and the Saints.

1125
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: You have a couple of bad games that can knock

1126
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: ge out of the playoffs. Just like that. If there

1127
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: was one aspect of this Panther's team that you worry

1128
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: about the most that could short circuit their season and

1129
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: keep them out of the playoffs, what would it be. Well, honestly,

1130
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: I think if they can't find their answers in the secondary. UM.

1131
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's been so much shuffling around UM,

1132
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: and you're going against these really prolific receivers all across

1133
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: the NFC South. UM. You're also going against these quarterbacks,

1134
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: and and like you said, Jameis Winston, we're not sure

1135
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: about his set, what his whole status will be. But

1136
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: you're going against these franchise quarterbacks who can really spling it,

1137
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, twice a year at least in a NFC

1138
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: South that really just cannibalizes itself because constantly. I mean,

1139
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: we saw the race was so close down to the

1140
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: tongue of the wire last year. And so I think

1141
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: that the secondary they have, they have some promising pieces,

1142
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: they have a really bright talent, bright spots of talent

1143
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: that they've brought in, but if they can't figure away

1144
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: to piece it all together, have it complement each other,

1145
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: have the communication on point, and have guys like James

1146
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: Spreadbrey really step up and be that lockdown corner that

1147
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: that he physically seems and mentally seems like he can

1148
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: be able to to be um but just has been inconsistent.

1149
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: Then I think they're in trouble, honestly, because there's two

1150
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: the opposing offenses, especially in the NFC style, they're evolving

1151
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: too rapidly, and they're they're too shifty, and they're too

1152
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: good at capitalizing on these mismatch options that they have

1153
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: Um to even let you know, one big play go

1154
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: by and chunk plays is what really in the secondary

1155
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: especially is what really killed the Panthers last year, particularly

1156
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: against the Falcons and stage. And I think that's definitely

1157
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: something that I know they're going to try to hinder

1158
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: this year, but um, I'm just not sure yet until

1159
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: I see them put pads on. So that's the one

1160
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: thing that's the main thing I'm concerned about. Obviously that

1161
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: left guard spot uh put the thorn in my side

1162
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: as well, but the secondary I think would probably be

1163
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: my biggest concern. I'd like to reverse the Ross Cockrell thing.

1164
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: We know a lot more about Cockrell than you do.

1165
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: You know a lot more about Shula and Stewart and

1166
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: Scott former Panthers than we do, having only seen them

1167
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: for a couple of months. So what can you tell

1168
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: me about the offensive lineman, the offensive coordinator and the

1169
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: running back that the Giants picked up from Carolina during

1170
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: the all season? Well where you want me to start?

1171
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: My friends? How about? What? How about with Scott? The

1172
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: guy who may or may not even make the roster,

1173
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: but certainly because he's an offensive lineman, he's intriguing to

1174
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: some people. Um, Yeah, you know, I didn't see a

1175
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: whole lot from him. Kind of a Swiss Art, but

1176
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: he's a kind of a Swiss Almi night player. When

1177
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: he's healthy, Um, he can he can pretty much plug

1178
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: and play, which is why um, John Mark the Rundy

1179
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: in coordinator. Um, they really like guys that can do that,

1180
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: be dependable and stable. UM kind of plug and play figures.

1181
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: He's honestly got the size. Uh. You know, I'm not

1182
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: sure about the health factor. UM, you know obviously have

1183
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: to when I I didn't follow up that much that

1184
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: closely knowing he's going to stay there. But UM, when

1185
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's really versatile. That and that much I

1186
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: can tell you about him. How about Jonathan Stewart. You,

1187
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys will have a better

1188
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: guy in that locker room better locker room guy than

1189
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart. Um. Just one of the most high quality

1190
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: individuals I have ever met in my entire life, in

1191
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: or outside of the NFL, in or outside of football. UM.

1192
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: And I think that it's really interesting to see someone

1193
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: like that paired up with Sa Kwan Barkley. Now, I

1194
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: covered Tae Kwan as well when he was in high

1195
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: school and then when he was in college and um,

1196
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: and I think that and just knowing the personality that

1197
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: he has um in and being a rookie and kind

1198
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: of wanting to to do everything for everybody else and

1199
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: to to really just make a great impression on everybody's

1200
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's an earnest kid. And I think Jonathan

1201
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: Stewart and first of all, off the field, I think

1202
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: will be such a calming present and a great mentor

1203
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: for a kid like that. Jonathan Stewart has been the

1204
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: franchise running back. He already has done that. Now he's

1205
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: kind of on the last few years of his career

1206
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: health health permitting. I think they'll be strong one. But

1207
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: this is a guy who can show a kid like

1208
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: say Kwan Varkley, how to not only be a franchise

1209
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: running back for an organization, for a single organization for

1210
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: almost a decade if not more, but also how to

1211
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: elevate himself um as a human being. Um and as

1212
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: someone who this the organs of Giants organization will come

1213
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: to really depend on. And I think that's incredibly important,

1214
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: something that you really can't understand. Date when you have

1215
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: a guy who is your you know, you know, your

1216
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, when you have a guy who

1217
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: you are putting that much hope into as an organization,

1218
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: who physically has, you know, transcendent skills. I think being

1219
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: able to match that with the kind of headspace that

1220
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart will help him find, it's going to be

1221
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: really kind of remarkable to watch. Now on the field,

1222
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: Jonathan Swart can loosen up some defenses. Man, that guy

1223
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: can rumble. So I'm actually kind of excited to watch

1224
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: him far to see what he can do, especially maybe

1225
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: in some of these goal line packages. I think that

1226
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: he's still an exciting guy to watch, you know, if

1227
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: he stays healthy. Um, there's there's parts where you can

1228
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: kind of see him flip the switch and he starts

1229
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: to run really really angry, and uh, during those parts

1230
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: you kind of just like hold onto your water cup

1231
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: because it's gonna start rattling, like in Jurassic Park. So

1232
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: I think he'll he'll be He'll be pretty fun to

1233
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: watch for you guys. Those are two dinosaur references in

1234
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: one interview. By the way, very well done you too.

1235
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: I like to scrabble we're playing here today and the

1236
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: final the final comments if you could on him. Well,

1237
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: I think that what he's doing, my understanding of what

1238
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: he's doing in New York is is kind of perfect

1239
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: for him, because I think he struggled a little bit with, um,

1240
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: maybe finding a rhythm in in Carolina this last year.

1241
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, obviously such a high powered offense in that

1242
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: opposing defense has kind of figured out the next year,

1243
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: and obviously the Panthers really struggled as a result of

1244
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: that as well. Um and then getting new pieces in

1245
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: like Christian McCaffrey and in Mike's final year in Carolina

1246
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: and kind of balancing everything out limited pieces and injuries

1247
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: and and and everything. I think it was tough finding

1248
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: a rhythm, and I think that was where the rhythm

1249
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: and the cadence of the play calling kind of struggled

1250
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. Now, I think that play design is fantastic.

1251
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: I think that Mike Shula is one of the most

1252
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: creative play designers that you can find in this in

1253
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: this league. Um So what it sounds like, from what

1254
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like to me, his job will be more

1255
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: about play design and less about actual decision making and

1256
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: play calling. Honestly, sorry, I suspect as much hands on here,

1257
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Yeah, yeah, which makes sense. And

1258
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: I think that that's actually kind of a perfect marriage

1259
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: for a guy like Mike Shula who really wants to

1260
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: just kind of be under the radar, behind the scenes,

1261
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like one of those I always

1262
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: compared it to, like, um, you know, those those sitcoms

1263
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: where you walk into like the kid walks into the

1264
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: library and like someone's something like nerdy kids. Disheveled head

1265
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: pops up over the bookshelf and they're like, Oh, I've

1266
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: been here all night. You know. That's kind of Mike Shula,

1267
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: you know. So I think that he's just a really

1268
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: creative mind. I think that this this position will allow

1269
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: him to be I think in a more comfortable spot,

1270
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: and I think in a spot where he can really

1271
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: um put his own his own touch on things, his

1272
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: own style on things, especially if he doesn't have to

1273
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: be the one calling the plays on game. Jordan, I

1274
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: have to ask you, I'm sure it was it was

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00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: killing your quote book when you didn't have Dave Gentleman's

1276
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: a creative descriptions of whomever the Panthers drafted in those

1277
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: post draft press conferences. Boy, when when he started dropping

1278
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: that Yiddish. It's It's entertaining, isn't it. Oh my gosh,

1279
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: I missed that guy. You know, Marty Hernie over here

1280
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: is just a tremendous person and I think he's been

1281
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: really great to work with. Um. You know, sometimes Dave

1282
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: will walk in and play all the hits and kind

1283
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: of walk out. You know. That's that side to side,

1284
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: like a little limp walk that he does him and

1285
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: you're like, what goes on in that guy's brain. I mean,

1286
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: he's just delightful. It's always on. I'll tell you that.

1287
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: I on a serious note, I do wish him all

1288
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: the best of health, and I reached out to him

1289
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to um check in on how

1290
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: he's doing and just wish him all the best of health.

1291
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: And you know, he's part of my language. But he's

1292
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: a he's a teugh old son of a bit. So

1293
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: I think he can. I think he can beat this,

1294
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: and I think he'll I think he's tougher than this

1295
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: for sure. Jordan. The good news is that he was

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01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: actually around the facility yesterday. He was in great spirit,

1297
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: so we we think he's on the men and we

1298
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: hope everything is going well. By the way. He was

1299
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: very cagy about it. Maybe you can give us a

1300
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: better answer. Why exactly did they let him go? What

1301
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: was the final reason for the for why they made

1302
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: the move the way they did with him, given this,

1303
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: given the success he had building that Super Bowl team. Well,

1304
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, we we kind of did a deep dive

1305
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: on this UM last year about how, uh just kind

1306
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: of some of the butting heads with some of the

1307
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: veteran players that the former owner had had kind of

1308
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure we're we're tenured and players, and

1309
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of the the style of negotiation. I mean, we

1310
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: we all know Dave Gentleman is not going to sugarcoat something.

1311
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think the bedside manner in terms of

1312
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: some of the UM releases of players and the contract

1313
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: negotiations was kind of getting back to, uh, the guy

1314
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: up stairs. Although it's funny, you know, it's actually not funny. Um,

1315
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: this is very serious. I don't know I said that,

1316
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: but it's. Um, it's interesting to think. You know, when

1317
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: we asked Dave of the same question at the at

1318
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: the combine this past year, he said asked Mr Richardson, Well,

1319
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: we can't do that anymore either, because he's gone too,

1320
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: So I think it's all very interesting how how the

1321
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: world works sometimes, And I guess we should ask you

1322
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: and again thank you for all the time. And this

1323
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: will be the final question, I promise. Has that ownership change,

1324
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: how has that really affected the team in the organization

1325
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: or have they really been able to kind of maintain

1326
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: their focus with all that going on in the background. Yeah.

1327
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: You know what's been really cool is how Ron Rivera

1328
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: has been this entire time. They extended him right before

1329
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: all of this chaos hit. They sent him because they

1330
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: knew a guy like Rowan having the kind of the

1331
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: stability factor in that locker room and being as we

1332
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: all know around the league, he's one of the best

1333
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: locker room guys that they're that there is. I mean,

1334
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: he's he's a player's coach, So having him around to

1335
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: kind of provide that stability, he was a guiding presence

1336
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: for these guys they had if they had questions, um,

1337
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, so they weren't just getting all their information

1338
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: from when we were writing it, um, so they could

1339
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: go to him with questions. And I think that was

1340
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: really helpful. Um. And I think it really hasn't done

1341
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: much to affect a ton of the team. I think

1342
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: some of the veterans might feel, um, you know, a

1343
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: little bit torn obviously having been there getting brought there

1344
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: by Jerry Richardson in the first place. But then also,

1345
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'd be lying if I were saying that

1346
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: there wasn't a substantial difference in um, you know, kind

1347
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: of the the ability of these players to now talk

1348
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: to this owner talked to David Tepper about things. I

1349
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: feel like they have a voice, feel like they have uh,

1350
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 1: I feel like their voice matters in in the job

1351
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: that they do. So I think that that's, um, I

1352
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 1: think that's going to be important. I think they're they're

1353
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: all feeling it out. Everyone's in that period. David Tepper

1354
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: is wanting to meet with them as much as possible,

1355
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: but obviously they're all on vacation now, so um, you know,

1356
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 1: it'll be really interesting to see some of those changes

1357
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: start to shift this fall. Jordan's great stuff. We appreciate

1358
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: the extended time today. Enjoy the rest of your couple

1359
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: of weeks off before the marathon begins. Once again. We'll

1360
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: see you in week five. Absolutely, yeah, thanks guys, seeing October.

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01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: Thanks Jordan. Jordan Roderig does a great job and great information.

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01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: They're covering the Panthers for the Shaw Observer. Very colorful

1363
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: as well. That was a fun interview. She was a

1364
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun, absolute stuff. Tomorrow it's Tatino and Fiegels

1365
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: and what team you got Tomorrows another excellent NFC South team,

1366
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: But the Giant schedule is not easier this year. It's

1367
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: going to be quite the challenge. So enjoy your afternoon.

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Speaker 1: We'll see tomorrow and Giants dot com. Everybody, have a

1369
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: great day.