WEBVTT - It's a Numbers Game: AI Regulation Showdown: Privacy, Chatbots, Data Centers & Big Tech Power 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.680 Welcome back to a Numbers Game with Ryan Gerdosky. Thank 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.880 you guys for being here. Happy Friday everyone, we made 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:10.200 it through another week. This is going to be our 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.920 last episode on AI. It was AI Week. Next week 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.000 we're going to right back to politics, right back to 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.759 polling and the midterms and all that good stuff. I'm 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.200 hopefully going to announce some pretty big guests coming up 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.360 in the future very soon, and some things have been 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.120 working on to really elevate this podcast to the next level. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:31.640 So I'm very excited for that and we'll see where 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.080 that goes. So on this episode, I want to talk 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.480 about AI and what the numbers say about how Americans 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.480 are feeling about the AI revolution and what is going 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.160 on with our entire world when it comes to AI, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.199 because there's an obvious hostility that you can feel in 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.839 the streets that you could just talk to people and 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.760 it's very palpable. This big backlash not even among just 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.480 people organizing against AI, like on the left and stuff 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.280 and against data centers, but just regular people. You may 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.440 have seen in the last few days at these college 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:12.640 graduation ceremonies, a number of commencement speakers have been booed 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.280 for even mentioning AI during their speeches. In the case, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.440 let's say you missed it. If you missed it, here's 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.880 a clip of exte Google CEO Eric Schmidt speaking at 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.839 the University of Arizona last December. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.440 Time magazine selected its person view for twenty twenty five, 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:35.840 and with this time it was the architects of Artificial Intelligence. Interesting. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:44.920 It will touch every profession, every classroom, every hospital, every laboratory, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.840 every person, and every relationship you have. I know what 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.520 many of you are feeling about that. I can hear you. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.000 There is a fear. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:00.960 We do not know. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.680 We do not know the precise contours of what this 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:12.360 transformation will look like. Choose a diversity of perspectives including 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.560 let me add and if you if you'd let me 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:15.640 make this point please. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.160 If you don't care about science. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.639 That's okay, because AI is going to touch everything else 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:32.200 as well. Whatever path you choose, AI will become part 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.359 of how work is done. If you have a pro 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.320 problem in the world you want to solve, you can 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.400 now assemble a team of AI agents to help you 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.160 with the parts that you could never accomplish on your own. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.000 Let me give you some advice. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:51.280 First, find a way to say yes and thank you 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:52.320 very much and good night. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.360 I give him credit after, you know, being booed like 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.000 that for the first I mean, he was like, no, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.920 I'm just gonna I'm as dig to it. I'm gonna 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:05.799 keep getting booed. And he just kept getting booed. I mean, 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.480 there's something to say about that. But he wasn't the 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.799 only one. Gloria Clawfield, a real estate executive, was met 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.280 with similar responses over the University of Florida play clib too. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:20.720 Now that said, we are living in a time of 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:29.160 profound change. That's an understatement, right, profound change. Change is exciting, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:35.640 very exciting, and let's face it, change can be daunting. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:43.720 The rise of artificial intelligence is the next industrial revolution? 0:03:47.560 --> 0:04:03.240 WHOA what happened? Okay? I struck a chord? May I finish? 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:03.600 Okay? 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:12.000 Only a few years ago, AI was not a factor 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:27.039 in our lives, all right, Okay, we've got a bipolar 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:34.839 topic here, I see, okay, And now AI capabilities are 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:42.760 in the palm of our hands, and and oh I 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.839 love it, passion, let's go. Okay. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.680 There were more speeches. I'm not going to get into 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.000 all of them, but you can obviously see where I'm 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.920 going with this, So let's talk about the numbers, right, 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.440 What does it say not only on the college campus, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.000 I mean grade wuation ceremonies, but a broad level of 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.480 where the numbers are when it comes to AI and 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:09.599 how people are feeling about it. Americans are concerned about AI, 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.279 and that concern has grown over time. According to Pew Research, 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.240 the amount of Americans who are more excited than concern 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.840 was at eighteen percent in twenty twenty one. Now it's 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.440 at ten percent, and those who are more concerned than 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.080 excited whereas at thirty seven percent in twenty twenty one, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.520 and now it's at fifty percent. So you see the 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:33.000 clear trajectory where it's going. They believe it will make 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.200 it harder. The people believe that AI will make it 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.200 harder to think creatively, to form meaningful relationships and make 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.720 difficult decisions. The only field that people think AI will 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.160 be more of a positive than a negative according to 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.920 this Pew Research study, is medical care. The area that 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.960 they think that what the worst effect is on personal relationship, news, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.120 and elections. They believe that it will only increase social 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:06.239 distrust and continue to work down our fraying institutions. Of course, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.720 this isn't all people. AI experts, of course, think that 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.880 AI will be more of a positive than an egga 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.760 fifty six percent to fifteen percent. That margin a yoga 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.080 pull on it. Seventy one percent Americans think that AI developed. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.680 This AI development is moving to quickly for that's sixty 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.600 four percent, including for young people eighteen to twenty nine 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.440 years old, so seventy one percent overall, sixty four percent 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.599 among young people. The presumption by a lot of people 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.640 is that this is just it's just baby boomers and 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.000 old people who don't like it. It's not the truth. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.120 It is very much young people who are increasingly hostile 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:47.960 towards you know, AI is in encourasion into every fragment 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.400 of our life. When as they think that AI will 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.679 create economic games that will benefit everybody, sixty three percent 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.040 Americans said no, while thirty six percent said yes. Young people, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.840 like those doing the commencement speechers, were more optimistic about 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.520 the question of AI, but still a majority said no 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.680 fifty five to forty five. And even though they're the 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.320 most optimistic but economic benefits, they're also the most worry 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.880 that AI will take their jobs. By a sixty two 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.960 forty percent margin. A Quinnipiac poll from March split people 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.160 up between those who know AI a great deal, you 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.040 know a lot about AI that use it a lot, 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.080 and those who know about it very very little and 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.680 they don't use that often. Fifty six percent of those 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.480 who knew a lot about AI and use it very 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.480 often were not excited about the developments, compared to sixty 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.320 percent who knew very little about it and use it 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.440 not that often. So the divide among people who use 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.360 it very often and those who don't is not as 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.320 extreme as I think people would expect. I think people 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.360 would expect that if you use it a lot, you 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.760 love it, and if you don't use a lot, you're 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.120 mostly fearful. The numbers are fairly similar. There is a 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.120 small there are more people who are accepting who use 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:02.440 it often. However, it's not this double digit wide extreme 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.800 on those who knew the most about AI were the 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.440 most concerned, seventy nine percent being very concerned to twenty 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.800 one percent say they were not concerned. And a Gallup 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.480 poll found that while the majority of gen zers use 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.240 AI on a weekly basis, probably to get them to 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.400 pass tests so that they could attend the graduation. Cermone 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:26.200 that they bowed the executive talking about AI while they 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.840 were using AI the most, and while that usage has 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.920 gone up, the excitement for the product has gone down. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.800 Gen zers were reporting to feeling excited about AI went 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.480 from thirty six percent to twenty two percent in just 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.560 a year, and those that the AI makes them angry 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.000 went from twenty two to thirty one percent once again 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.560 in just one year. And it's easy to understand why 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.360 there's there's why they're anxious, why they're angry, why all 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.880 these bad feelings are coming when it comes to AI, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.080 Because all you have to do is just listen to 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.120 what tech executives are saying. A twenty twenty three Yale 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.800 survey of one hundred and nineteen CEOs, including leaders from 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.200 companies like Walmart, Coca Cola, Xerox, Zoom, and others across 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.520 the industry, gave AI a forty two percent chance of 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.920 destroying humanity in the next ten years. Another story out 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.079 of Berkeley University of twenty seven hundred AI researcher said 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.720 there was a five percent chance of AI bringing the 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.480 extinction to humanity. Yeah, five percent is pretty low. It's 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.160 a little too high for me. Though that's a high number. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.839 Elon Musk said it was about twenty percent, and Dario 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.240 Amodi said that it was about ten to twenty five percent. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.600 That's a big number. That's obviously not very comforting for 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.880 someone who's starting out their life, for someone who's starting 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.679 out their business, who just finished off school, all the 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.160 rest of it. But the bigger problem, aside from the 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.760 extinction of humanity for a lot of people, the problem 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.120 that is more in people's face is obviously jobs. And 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.000 that's understandable given what the AI business leaders are saying 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.120 I will do to their jobs. Listen to a Daria 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.880 Emodi of Anthropic has been saying. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.760 You've said AI could wipe out half of all entry 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.520 level white collar jobs and spike unemployment to ten to 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.800 twenty percent in the next one to five years. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.320 Yes, that is shock. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.440 That is that is the future we could see if 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.439 we don't become aware of this problem now, half. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:17.960 Of all entry level white collar jobs. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:25.320 Well, if we look at entry level consultants, lawyers, financial professionals, 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.040 you know, many of kind of the white collar service industries, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.240 a lot of what they do, you know, AI models 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.559 are already quite good at and without intervention it's hard 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.400 to imagine that there won't be some significant job impact there. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.040 And my worry is that it'll be broad and it'll 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.599 be faster than what we've seen with previous technology. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.280 Just this week, leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg came out 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:53.000 where he told Meta employees that before he fired ten 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.200 percent of their workforce, a Meta's workforce AI have been 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.120 monitoring their what they did on their computers, on their 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.480 work computers to train to replace them. And then at 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.520 four am in an email, he sent it out to 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.400 thousands of Meta employees that they were fired and their 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.040 computers no longer work, their tags no longer work, Thank 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.280 you and have a great day. When you look at 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:23.200 tech companies and big tech companies like Oracle, Amazon, Meta, Block, Cisco, Into, it, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:29.600 Wise Tech, Snap, Ocado, eBay, Coinbase, Pinterest, they have let 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.160 go of well over one hundred thousand jobs this year alone. Now, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.559 the employment rate among recent college graduates, if you're talking 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.319 about why college graduates is so fearful, is not that high. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.640 It's five point three percent, which is lower than their 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.040 peers who did not go to college. The overall unemployment 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.280 rate for young people seven point two percent, So for 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.320 college graduates. It's fairly a decent labor market. What is 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.920 changing that is concerning is a trend that we've seen 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.840 with employment numbers for the last thirty plus years is 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.920 that recent college grads have lower levels of unemployment than 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.320 the broader workforce. That's been the truth the last three decades. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.960 That reversed a couple of years ago around twenty nineteen 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:14.080 to twenty twenty, and it's gotten worse over time. Recent 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.040 college graduates have the unemployment rate about a one point 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.520 higher than the overall workforce of all workers. Now, tech 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.320 executives have been saying that, you know, they've been changing 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.920 their tune when it comes to what AI will do 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.280 to employment. James Manika, I believe I'm saying that last 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.520 time correctly, but you guys know me, I'm probably butchering it. 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.800 He is a senior Google Alphabet executive. On a recent 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.520 podcast episode that he doesn't believe though the duomer predictions 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.640 over mass unemployment. Sam Altman of Open AI said he 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.160 doesn't believe that these predictions about fifty percent unemployment is possible, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.160 and Jeff Bezos he gave actually one of the best 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.320 defenses up for why AI won't take people's jobs. This 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:54.559 is what he said on CMBC. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.840 So there are so many smart people and they aren't smart, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.320 and they are saying, oh my god. You know, there's 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:04.480 gonna be no more radiologists because you know, AI can 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.400 read X rays better than a radiologist can. And they're 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.719 going to be no more software engineers because a I 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.839 can program better than a software engineer can. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:13.600 These people are wrong. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.760 So what's really going to happen is that it's going 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.240 to elevate all of these people and they're gonna it's 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.880 like it's it's like you've been digging. Let's say you're 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.840 a software engineer, right, what it's the analogy and giving 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:29.440 you is you've been uh, digging out a basement for 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.600 your house with a shovel and somebody's about to hand 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:34.559 you a bulldozer. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.880 You're you're so you should be so. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.840 Happy if you're digging the basement to your house and 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.840 somebody says, hey, how about this, I have a tool here. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.400 That's gonna And what's really. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.120 Going to happen is we're going to have so much 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:53.280 productivity in our economy that, for example, this is this 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.120 is one effect a lot of people who have two 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.440 earner income households. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.600 One of the people is going to drop out of 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:02.280 the workforce. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.160 That's why we're gonna have a labor shortage. Because of 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.480 the productivity gains, you're gonna be able to afford things. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.880 We're gonna have, I predictable actually. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:16.760 Have deflation of certain core Assuming we let this technology 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.200 play out and don't you hamstring it with regulation too early, 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.920 we will actually have you know, everything will get food 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:26.800 will get cheaper. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.560 So what does the future of employment look like with AI, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.880 I honestly don't know. I don't believe anyone really knows. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.800 And I believe these guys more than I believe the 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.920 fear porn armed Dario Modi that there is going to 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:46.240 be fifty percent unemployment rates among recent college graduates, don't. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.040 I don't believe that. But I'm not sure. None of 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.080 these people really are sure. But what I can tell 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.240 you is that tech executives realize that they have created 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.480 their own bad PR and now they're desperately trying to 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.600 fix with good PR. And what they absolutely don't want 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.600 in this point, in this moment, is more regulations on AI, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.200 or any regulations on AI. When the Trump administration, who 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.880 has been extremely pro AI, more than the Biden administration 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.720 for sure, but very pro AI. When they were considering 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:23.720 a review board process to look at new AI developments, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.120 that AI models before they were released, just for public safety, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.720 for their own security, for national security, the tech world 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.080 swarmed the White House with lobbyists to stop them. What 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.800 the framework the White House is going to release? And 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.320 I have not read the official framework or what's expected 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.520 to be. Is it ending up a voluntary framework for 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.760 developers for frontier models to inform the government about planned 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.960 new releases up to ninety days before the public really, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.680 so for three months beforehand. They would have to submit 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.440 the release to the government voluntarily. There's no demandate for this, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.160 and the government would give it the okay. This, of course, 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.600 wasn't good enough for the AI companies, even though it's voluntary. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.040 They only wanted fourteen day review, just two weeks to 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.800 understand the entire process and then get the green light 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.400 from the government. Of course, the White House fears aren't 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.840 just on job development, because President Trump and other people 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.480 administration believe that AI is going to create more jobs 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.080 and it will take What they're worried about is national 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:29.200 security and AI being used to hack government programs and 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:34.520 government departments. Remember, nothing is all good and nothing is 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:39.320 all bad. Something that is something that is very positive, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.120 like some AI developments will come with bad you know, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.920 bad results because that's just human nature. They will use 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.840 something to to harm people. That is how things have 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.000 always worked with technology. But this national security risk from 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:58.040 these new AI frontier models is very serious. That's and 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.040 it's changed a lot since since last sweep with Mythos 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.720 and Open. AI's latest models have raised concerns that AI 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.119 is helping exploit software vulnerabilities. I talked about this on 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.840 my podcast on Wednesday. What happens if a terrorist is 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.000 able to use AI to hack the FAA and stop 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.159 communications between planes, people in the sky, and people on 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.440 the ground directing them, it will be a catastrophe. It 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:27.480 will be a nine to eleven like episode nationwide. And 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.199 forget what could happen, let's talk about what has happened. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.399 AI has already been used to plan mass shootings in 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.960 the United States and Canada. In April twenty twenty five, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.160 a man named nix Erker He exchanged more than thirteen 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.040 thousand messages with chat ebt and lead up to an 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.080 attack that killed two people and injured others. Authorities in 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.879 a lawsuit claimed that he received advice on gun and 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.480 ammunition types, optimal times and locations on campus from maximum victims, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.119 media attention strategies, that he even had to operate a 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.639 shotgun minutes before the shooting. This led to a criminal 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.480 investigation by the Flora Attorney General into Open AI and 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.280 the lawsuit from victims of families alleging that AI that 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.360 chat GPT is a co conspirator. In February twenty twenty six, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:14.600 a shooter in Canada use chat GPT for planning guidance 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.760 in a mass casualty event. Victims of victims families file 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.640 lawsuits against Open AI, and in January twenty twenty five, 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.760 the cyber truck attack remember that happened in Vegas that 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:29.119 near the Trump Tower. Chat GBT was used to plan 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.840 the device, on explosives and how to evade law enforcement. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.960 Investigations and independent tests by the Center for Countering Digital 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.560 Hate found that in eight out of every ten major 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:46.439 AI chat box including chat GPT, frequently assisted users in 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:51.880 helping to plan school shootings, bombings, and assassination attempts. This 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.600 is a real question. I'm going to post everybody. How 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.639 long until we see chat GPT or some other AI 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.679 chatbox use. How long until we see it used to 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:07.080 plan an assassination of a tech ceo. And it's sometime 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:11.200 I'm wishing for or I'm hoping for, but I really 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.480 feel that is a possibility in our future, a Luigi 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:20.120 Mangioni style assassination of a tech ceo who the planning 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.919 and plotting will be used, will be worked with the 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.440 chatbox and they will plan the murder of somebody, somebody 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.280 that we've seen on television, somebody talking about, you know, 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.840 job disruptions or or the fact that you know gen 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.680 zs are just too lazy, or or putting down or 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.199 saying that this is going to make you lots of money. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.280 Part of the outcry. I think you have to understand, 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.760 it's part of the outcry against a I is a 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:55.520 class struggle, right. It is gen xers and baby boomers 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.320 making enormous sums of money while gen Zers or struggling. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.800 As all young people struggle, there's something special about gen 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:08.120 z struggle. But as they're struggling to start their foothold 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.480 in life and they feel the rug is cut from 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.639 under them, that their jobs won't exist while there's an 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:24.200 immense concentration of wealth among very very few, and there's 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.480 going to be someone who cracks, and there's going to 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.440 be somebody like a Luigi Manngioni who will be idolizing 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.480 that kind of style of behavior, that violence, and take 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.560 it upon themselves somebody probably with mental health issues. And 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.399 that's the case is for a lot of these kids, 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.040 a lot of these kids who are angry and nowhere 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.560 to feel their anger, They're going to look to take 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.080 it out on somebody. And that is what I am 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.680 really afraid is going to happen in a very short 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.119 period of time. Look at the amount of kids who 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:58.600 use CHATTP to harm themselves. It's not it's not a 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.960 small number. And yeah, I never I've never told this 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.280 story before, but this is something that I've experienced in 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:09.200 my own life. I have I have a I don't 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:14.400 have a friend. Someone I've known for probably twenty years, married, kids, 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.720 seemed fairly normal, like always a little bit of an 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.000 odd person, but on the periphery of odd, like normal, 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.919 like overall very normal, hell down, a job, had a family, 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:28.440 had a kids, had a house, who fell for better 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.399 or worse in love, with their chat box. So I mean, 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.440 I mean, I know this person and I and I 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.600 couldn't understand, but they were. But they were spending fourteen 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:43.000 hours a day talking to their chat box. They came 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.520 to certain opinions about knowing when the end of the 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.520 world was happening. Would send me messages saying, hey, this 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.200 is going to have I've talked to chat gibt and 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:52.040 the world's going to happen on this day. I was like, 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:56.640 you are losing it. And this person's wife said to everybody, 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.719 please stay with my husband. He's he's entered into an 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:04.080 AI induced psychosis. And where that AI and DO psychosis 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:09.320 led to was he his AI bot told him that 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.760 his father killed his grandfather, murdered his grandfather, and he 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:16.320 was going to seek justice out even though that wasn't true. 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:22.680 And now he's in prison for I presume an attempted 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.720 attack against his father that he was planning out. It is. 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:28.760 It's shocking. And I know you're saying to yourself that 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.480 could never be me. And I said to myself, that 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.840 could ever be me. It wouldn't be me. I want 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:36.160 an unused chattipa too. I'm too rational, I'm too saying 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:42.520 I'm too normal. There are people who were normal. We're 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.320 saying maybe they were a little lonely, maybe they were 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.439 a little on the perfery, maybe they were on just 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.040 the borderline. They were getting by and the introduce to 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:55.040 an AI and do psychosis because it was it confirmed 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:58.679 all of their places, which is what these AI chatbots do. 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:04.719 They confirm all your pre existing beliefs. I don't believe 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:06.960 in a lot of the conspiracies gonna AI, like a 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.520 fifty percent unemployment rate. I don't. I don't. I don't 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.840 trust what most of the CEOs are saying tech on 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.400 AI in any direction, whether they're saying it's all way 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.720 great or they're saying it's going to be a big problem. 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.640 I do know, because we've had on this podcast that AI, 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.080 that left wing politicians blue AI will will open the 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.159 doors towards socialism in America, and that I'm fearful of. 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.560 I do know that AI has been used to plan attacks. 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:33.320 I do believe that AI will be used to plan 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.760 attack against the tech CEO. And I do believe this 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:39.520 disruption in the market and the safety concerns around AI 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.840 is enough for some kind of regulation at the federal 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.520 level that the belief that these AI companies will simply 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.040 be able to monitor themselves and everyone will be playing 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.879 you know, everyone will be an angel I do all 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.800 the right things and monitor themselves over profits. I don't believe. 0:23:58.200 --> 0:23:59.720 I don't that. I don't believe. And I think that 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.080 when some kind of levels of AI production over data, 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:08.120