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Speaker 4: Quick warning at the top, fellow conspiracy realist, this episode
Speaker 4: may not be appropriate for all audiences. We are returning
Speaker 4: tonight with a new installment in our unfortunately ongoing series
Speaker 4: about the disgraced financier and sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein and guys.
Speaker 4: As we had pointed out I think on Strange News recently,
Speaker 4: we have been following this story for quite some time.
Speaker 4: I think around twenty nineteen we started.
Speaker 5: I think that's right, some years for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first time we did a full
Speaker 2: episode on the dude and his sweetheart deal that he
Speaker 2: got from the Justice Department after you know, being child
Speaker 2: sex offender.
Speaker 5: Yep, plus you know, I mean, that doesn't even cover it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the degrees of which this guy has operated in
Speaker 5: that despicable space.
Speaker 2: Is mind boggling. Well, in the biggest part of the
Speaker 2: Epstein story the whole time has been the other people
Speaker 2: that have been around him. Right, It's never the Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein story. It is the folks that Jeffrey runs with
Speaker 2: and does things with.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: In our previous episodes, we explore the rhy and fall
Speaker 4: of Epstein from his early life to his official death
Speaker 4: on August tenth, twenty nineteen. We also dive deep into
Speaker 4: those conspiracies allegations that cover up surrounding the numerous scandals
Speaker 4: and people associated with Epstein, as well as his massive
Speaker 4: web of alleged and proven connections. We also talk about Galay,
Speaker 4: Maxwell and Moore. So now we are returning to suss
Speaker 4: out some profoundly disturbing revelations that keep popping up in
Speaker 4: the wake of this predator's death. Please note, folks, we
Speaker 4: are recording this on Monday, March second, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: Hopefully we can get some questions answered. This is the
Speaker 4: Epstein Files what we know so far.
Speaker 5: It's definitely sus.
Speaker 4: Here are the facts, all right, guys? Are we bubbled gentlemen,
Speaker 4: are are we assuming that everybody already knows about Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 3: I feel like everybody. I think it's mainstream.
Speaker 5: I think it's penetrated beyond the bubble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we know everything about this dude at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 4: All so, for anyone who has been under a rock
Speaker 4: or falling for the Department of Justices current shenanigans. More
Speaker 4: on that in a bit. Jeffrey Epstein, we explore this
Speaker 4: in depth. He was born on January twentieth, nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 4: His parents seem to be pretty normal people. They're not billionaires.
Speaker 4: His childhood acquaintances later go on to describe him as
Speaker 4: kind of quiet, cheerful, pretty bright, average kid, gift for mathematics,
Speaker 4: and then we know things got really weird when he
Speaker 4: was about twenty one years old and started teaching at
Speaker 4: the Dalton School.
Speaker 5: Right, he spent some time with Bear Stearns and began
Speaker 5: to rise in the ranks of high finance and beyond
Speaker 5: really the beginnings of what would ultimately become a global
Speaker 5: human trafficking empire.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and he really started to get his wealth
Speaker 2: when he hooked up with Les Wexner. This billionaire dude
Speaker 2: that basically ran all the stores in the mall that
Speaker 2: you can imagine, the limiteds and the limited twos and
Speaker 2: the Victorious Secrets and the I was going to say bed,
Speaker 2: Bath and beyond, it's the bed it's the bath and
Speaker 2: bodyworks and shops and the candle shops.
Speaker 3: Like he literally owned the candle company.
Speaker 2: The whatever the one is. I don't think he's Yankees,
Speaker 2: the one that's inside the bath and body works, okay,
Speaker 2: because you can get White Barn or something. But he
Speaker 2: owned all of these things. And then he brings in
Speaker 2: this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, to be basically his financial manager
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, and that's where he really
Speaker 2: gains his wealth, Jeffrey Epstein's wealth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I propose already here at the jump, I propose
Speaker 4: that we do two more episod sudes on this subject,
Speaker 4: one about Zoro Ranch now Rafael Ranch, and one about
Speaker 4: the financial Intelligence agency connections, because following the money on
Speaker 4: Victoria's Secret guy gets really interesting and real murky very quickly.
Speaker 2: Then you get into the service capital management with a
Speaker 2: dude that's currently you know, in charge of the Pentagon
Speaker 2: right now at least from the civilian side, and there's
Speaker 2: connections up the wazoo going through all of this stuff.
Speaker 5: And so many rumors of Epstein himself being you know,
Speaker 5: an operative of some kind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I'm I'm moving toward that disposition to
Speaker 4: be quite off it.
Speaker 3: It feels that way.
Speaker 5: I mean, at the very least, just just knows far
Speaker 5: too much, you know, to be allowed to live.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, Barack and some of that stuff going, like
Speaker 2: the Masad angle.
Speaker 4: Is the banking alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't pretend like it's not there. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you do, you're doing it willingly, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like that's but at this point, that's where
Speaker 2: we are.
Speaker 5: Oh, there's a lot of willing you know, wool over
Speaker 5: eye pulling going on.
Speaker 4: Blissful ignorance for sure. Eventually we know Epstein's crimes did
Speaker 4: catch up with him. He escaped justice in multiple instances.
Speaker 4: As we mentioned there at the top, he was eventually
Speaker 4: convicted of something pretty problematic. Instead of saying that he
Speaker 4: sexually abused a minor, they said he solicited quote an
Speaker 4: underage prostitute. And he went down for this. In two
Speaker 4: thousand and eight, he made a mysterious sweetheart plea deal,
Speaker 4: and like an unprecedented one that he was indicted again
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen for sex trafficking federal charges. The official
Speaker 4: story is that he died by his own hand in
Speaker 4: August of that same year while in prison waiting for
Speaker 4: his trial. The trouble is, as we know well, folks,
Speaker 4: years later here in twenty twenty six, a great many
Speaker 4: people still do not believe that official conclusion. We've talked
Speaker 4: about this. There are numerous questions about the circumstances.
Speaker 5: I mean, the missing footage alone with the water mark
Speaker 5: of you know, poorly hastily edited using Adobe Premiere. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just you can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 2: We've been talking about how CBS in particular has been
Speaker 2: following the trail there of that specific footage that was
Speaker 2: released by the Justice Department when they came out and
Speaker 2: made a big statement, Hey, nothing to see here, we
Speaker 2: got all the footage. Nobody went up near Epstein's cell.
Speaker 2: We're all good if you want to continue down that pathway,
Speaker 2: and we can if you want to in here, but
Speaker 2: you can also do it on your own. Just look
Speaker 2: up CBS news coverage currently, you can look up who
Speaker 2: entered Epstein's jail tier the night of his death. Newly
Speaker 2: released videologues appear to contradict official accounts. That's from the
Speaker 2: second of February in twenty twenty six, and it does
Speaker 2: appear to show that somebody wearing an orange jumpsuit went
Speaker 2: up to Jeffrey Epstein's cell.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we also know that the charges were dropped against
Speaker 4: the guards. They went to court for a minute because
Speaker 4: of their odd behavior and the fact that they were
Speaker 4: asleep at the switch or something, and they went through
Speaker 4: the news cycle and then once the global attention turned
Speaker 4: to something else, they were free.
Speaker 5: I mean, all of this just reeks of fall guy.
Speaker 5: You know, even Epstein himself feels like the fall guy.
Speaker 5: And not to mention Maxwell, who is of course now
Speaker 5: you know, soaking it up with puppies and club fed.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is bigger than Epstein as an individual
Speaker 5: or as some sort of mastermind. I think he just represents,
Speaker 5: you know, the public facing individual behind something much much
Speaker 5: much more nefarious and generational and eyes wide shut.
Speaker 4: Yeah, putting the news loves a simple story, right, We
Speaker 4: love one single individual, one face to put upon a crime, right.
Speaker 4: And I agree with you, Noel, that it is bigger
Speaker 4: than Jeffrey Epstein, and I think a lot of journalist
Speaker 4: activist in the public overall would agree with us as well,
Speaker 4: continually pointing to these various disturbing puzzle pieces, and they'll
Speaker 4: ask even now whether Epstein took his own life or
Speaker 4: whether he was murdered or forced to take his own life.
Speaker 4: And then a little further along the spectrum, you'll find
Speaker 4: a growing number of people who tell you that they
Speaker 4: don't think Epstein ever actually died. I was surprised to
Speaker 4: hear this when we were hanging out with Killer Mike
Speaker 4: with Michael Render. That is his take, and we'll see
Speaker 4: as we get further into this, there are some puzzle
Speaker 4: pieces that are disturbing. But officially took his own life
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, he passed away. It is difficult to fake
Speaker 4: one's death well.
Speaker 5: For sure, And if that word to have happened, it
Speaker 5: would have had to have happened with the assistance of
Speaker 5: some very powerful people within the government most likely, and
Speaker 5: that narrative just doesn't make sense. It makes much more
Speaker 5: sense that they would have had him killed because he
Speaker 5: was the keeper of the keys to this whole operation.
Speaker 5: He could name names, you know, we already know all
Speaker 5: this talk of storage facilities littered across the country that
Speaker 5: supposedly have unreleased evidence, you know, dead hand type stuff.
Speaker 5: I just don't think they would allow him to go
Speaker 5: chill in the Bahamas or wherever, you know, in some
Speaker 5: secret island.
Speaker 3: That just doesn't make sability.
Speaker 2: And that stuff that Jeffrey Epstein put in place, that's
Speaker 2: right to make sure that he would not be killed, right,
Speaker 2: or to make sure if he were going to be killed,
Speaker 2: they would pay, and you would know you would pay
Speaker 2: if you were going to kill him. That was all
Speaker 2: part of the setup. That is not I'm no expert,
Speaker 2: but in my mind, that is not someone who takes
Speaker 2: their own life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tempted to agree as well. I mean, the fancy
Speaker 4: term for faking one's death is pseudo side and it
Speaker 4: is again incredibly difficult. Also, it does it not make
Speaker 4: you a liability at that point, right, Look, it's sticky
Speaker 4: no matter how you look at it. Even if you
Speaker 4: are the most skeptical person out there, you do have
Speaker 4: to question all these anomalies and irregularities. And that last
Speaker 4: theory of faking one's death, that would require a lot
Speaker 4: of planning. It would require pretty big cast of characters.
Speaker 4: But we do know that Epstein knew a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Politicians of all stripes, professors, celebrities, business tycoons, tons of
Speaker 4: the world's most powerful folks were in one way or
Speaker 4: another in his web. They might not have been aware
Speaker 4: of his sex crimes. That's what a lot of people
Speaker 4: are saying now, like the Clintons and their recent statements
Speaker 4: to Congress. But they people did rub shoulders with him.
Speaker 4: They sent off, you know, short, casual, sometimes cryptic emails,
Speaker 4: They went to the same parties. They asked him for
Speaker 4: financial advice. We had you know, his employees asking him
Speaker 4: for money. That's in the emails as well. He was
Speaker 4: one of those guys. It seemed like everybody somehow new That's.
Speaker 3: The thing I mean.
Speaker 5: And it's people on both sides politically, it's people that
Speaker 5: you might consider to be super innocuous and harmless, like
Speaker 5: I think Stephen Hawking. Was he not not as he's
Speaker 5: inherently innocuous or you know, just like the face of
Speaker 5: pure goodness. But I mean, that's not a dude you
Speaker 5: would have thought to have been wrapped up in things
Speaker 5: like this. So it becomes because you start to see
Speaker 5: so many people connected that you almost is hard parsing
Speaker 5: out who knew what and who was part of it
Speaker 5: and who wasn't, because it's tough to believe maybe that
Speaker 5: everybody knew or that everybody knew everything. So it's really
Speaker 5: easy to muddy the waters by just dropping all these
Speaker 5: names of people that you know are associated with, like, well,
Speaker 5: that guy wouldn't have done anything like that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also tough to know to believe when you've
Speaker 2: got someone like Bill Clinton that did you guys see
Speaker 2: the video he put out? So he gave sworn testimony, right,
Speaker 2: but then he also made a social video where it's
Speaker 2: just him sitting like this in front of a camera
Speaker 2: and talking to us, the American people about what he
Speaker 2: didn't know anything about the crimes and what was going on.
Speaker 2: So you have it's tough to know, well, am I being,
Speaker 2: is this man just lying directly to me and everybody
Speaker 2: else on purpose right now? Is he telling the truth?
Speaker 2: There's no way for us to know. You just got
Speaker 2: to choose to believe.
Speaker 5: And also not to mention that I am fascinated by
Speaker 5: the fact that he as a counter to a lot
Speaker 5: of the obfuscation that's been going on and you know
Speaker 5: Trump saying like, well, my buddy Bill Clinton, you know no.
Speaker 5: Clinton was like, release it, release all of it. You know,
Speaker 5: I've got nothing toe And that to me is has
Speaker 5: the ring of truth to it. When you're putting it
Speaker 5: all out there like that in the face of people
Speaker 5: that are covering up, you're saying, don't.
Speaker 3: Do it on my account. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He had some bangers in his testimony as well, Old
Speaker 4: Slick Willie. There was one line that stood out to
Speaker 4: me where he said he said, since I'm on the oath,
Speaker 4: I will not say I'm looking forward to your questions.
Speaker 4: I will say I am ready to answer that. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's like we have nothing to fear but fear itself,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: I mean that's good, Yes, good rhetoric. Correct, And it was.
Speaker 4: It was tense for sure. We also know that Epstein
Speaker 4: kept a lot of records. He wanted documents pat of
Speaker 4: his interactions with all of these powerful people. Much of
Speaker 4: this was later collected in criminal investigations. Over three hundred
Speaker 4: gigs of data as well as other media, are in
Speaker 4: the FBI's Sentinel case management system, which is itself another episode.
Speaker 4: Have you guys heard about Sentinel?
Speaker 3: I don't think I have.
Speaker 4: It's the solution to the FBI's problem with documentation and
Speaker 4: organizing cases. It's kind of like the Palenteer for their
Speaker 4: case management. And it is a foreign owned company.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's the first I've heard of that.
Speaker 5: What a creepy name too, I guess I think of
Speaker 5: the mean robots in the X Men.
Speaker 4: All this data, this aggregate data is that's what's loosely
Speaker 4: known as the Epstein Files. Millions of documents, emails, videos, images,
Speaker 4: court filings, transcripts, other artifacts. Also Epsteins quote unquote little
Speaker 4: black book, like his rolodex, his list of contacts, uh,
Speaker 4: the flight logs for his planes. In these files, we
Speaker 4: also find loads of similar names from both the public
Speaker 4: sphere and earlier episodes of our show. Thinking for example
Speaker 4: of Peter Teel, who speaks quite a bit with Epstein.
Speaker 5: Jannis Joplin's in there, guys, Kurt Cobain, Sorry, we'll get
Speaker 5: to that. The recent just drop of like a list
Speaker 5: of names that were mentioned in zero context for the
Speaker 5: nature of their mentioning, including some long dead rock stars.
Speaker 4: Wow, I didn't know Janis Joplin. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, but yeah, this is just human beings dropping
Speaker 2: names and emails.
Speaker 5: Right, But the way they released it was just like here,
Speaker 5: look at this, zero contexts are like.
Speaker 4: Flooding the zone.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just these are these are thousands of emails, right,
Speaker 2: millions of emails and documents. So there are just there
Speaker 2: are a bunch of a bunch of names in there
Speaker 2: in places and people that have nothing to do with
Speaker 2: any crime.
Speaker 5: So what's the point of releasing that as a list
Speaker 5: if not to just dilute to the situation and distract
Speaker 5: bit Yeah.
Speaker 4: To flood the zone. Quoting against Steve Bannon, who also
Speaker 4: shows up in the Epstein Files. Now, why you're asking yourself, folks,
Speaker 4: as you're tuning in and thanks for joining us, you're saying, guys,
Speaker 4: why do we even know some of this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Because the victim and survivor statements were ignored for years decades. Indeed,
Speaker 4: we know a lot of this because back in November
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five, US Congress passed something called the
Speaker 4: Epstein Files Transparency Act. This mandates Uncle Sam to quote
Speaker 4: make publicly available in a searchable and downloadable format, all
Speaker 4: files pertaining to Epstein everything, Gary Oldman, Gift right, and
Speaker 4: Sir here. Along with there is the sticky part, an
Speaker 4: unredacted list of old government officials and what they call
Speaker 4: politically exposed persons named in the files. Now, I want
Speaker 4: to be honest with everybody, I'm not quite clear on
Speaker 4: what politically exposed persons means.
Speaker 5: Well, it certainly it doesn't mean what maybe it would
Speaker 5: once mean in this climate, as we see careers being ruined,
Speaker 5: people being arrested in other parts of the country as
Speaker 5: a result of their participation or their names being named.
Speaker 5: But over here doesn't seem to do a damn thing
Speaker 5: in terms of like being politically exposed, and that being
Speaker 5: something that would actually bring someone down just seems like
Speaker 5: another you know, string of fall guys and minor slaps
Speaker 5: on wrists, And I don't know, I just don't know
Speaker 5: what it even means these days to be politically exposed.
Speaker 4: It feels like a chess move. It feels like they're
Speaker 4: positioning to aim at some peace.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of people who've actually in the
Speaker 2: US who have faced consequence or have been let go.
Speaker 2: I know there are a few doctors who have been
Speaker 2: let go by institutions who show up in the files.
Speaker 4: A couple professors retired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and that's because like in the
Speaker 2: case of the doctors, they appear to be only in
Speaker 2: the fact that they are providing services to girls, young
Speaker 2: women who are a part of Jeffrey's thing, and they're
Speaker 2: also they're usually doing it in a way that would
Speaker 2: not be the normal way, like a normal doctor patient
Speaker 2: relationship kind of deal. It's like the concierge doctor thing
Speaker 2: that you have, like a house call, like a doctor
Speaker 2: at Mount Sinai that you can call who happens to
Speaker 2: run the breast cancer research side, like an entire thing.
Speaker 2: But she also used to date Jeffrey Epstein. And also
Speaker 2: she was a beauty pageant queen at one point, but
Speaker 2: now she's married to a different billionaire. But she has
Speaker 2: connection to all these other people fascinating stuff.
Speaker 4: And is willing to bend the room. Some of those
Speaker 4: doctors I'm looking forward to diving into, well looking forward
Speaker 4: it's not correct, but we do have to dive into
Speaker 4: some of that. We also know, we know some of
Speaker 4: what's been released. Folks were talking about the Epstein files,
Speaker 4: but as we record again on Monday March second, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six, these files have still only been partially released,
Speaker 4: and a portion of what has been released has also
Speaker 4: been scrubbed from the Internet and then put back online,
Speaker 4: and it's also been redacted imperfectly in some cases. Right,
Speaker 4: we all remember the copy and paste story from Gosh
Speaker 4: that was earlier last year.
Speaker 5: I want to mean in some of the reactions, yeah
Speaker 5: about how you could just load them up in Adobe
Speaker 5: and yeah, easily just remove the layer. I know we're
Speaker 5: going to get into it too, but all the four
Speaker 5: Chance stuff, guys. Yes, there's so much fascinating new stuff
Speaker 5: about that and what Pizzagate really was, and the idea
Speaker 5: of once again been flooding the zone in advance of
Speaker 5: some of these allegations coming out in order to further
Speaker 5: I'm sorry we should hold off.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just we've got to get to it.
Speaker 3: We know good, we know.
Speaker 4: This entire scandal has only become more controversial as time continues.
Speaker 4: The public is accusing the FBI, the Justice Department, and
Speaker 4: a lot of politicians have actively covered up the crimes
Speaker 4: in the Epstein files of protecting powerful people from being
Speaker 4: identified as co conspirators collaborators of Jeffrey Epstein, possibly in
Speaker 4: shady financial dealings, but also more directly in the horrific
Speaker 4: sexual abuse of children. So the DOJ real quick on
Speaker 4: the timeline, folks. In response to this outcry, they release
Speaker 4: an additional three point five million or so pages of
Speaker 4: EPSTEIN files in January of this year, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: This also includes around two thousand videos one hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty thousand images, some of which are going to keep
Speaker 4: you up at night disturbing, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because they in several of them, they did not redact
Speaker 2: the victim's faces nights, but they did redact the abusers'
Speaker 2: faces and names.
Speaker 5: I mean that was a big problem too. I mean,
Speaker 5: so many of the abusers, or at least a handful
Speaker 5: of them, were doxed in some of these drops, and
Speaker 5: the Justice Department never apologized for it. But weirdly the
Speaker 5: names of potential co conspirators seemed to have been redacted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, many times.
Speaker 5: It's not under the terms of the law, which there
Speaker 5: was a law that forced the release of this stuff,
Speaker 5: as we know. I don't call the exact official name,
Speaker 5: but that was what led to this these drops, and
Speaker 5: they were supposed to get more, but it appears that we're.
Speaker 4: Not going to the Epstein transparency yet, Thank you, Ben.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until members of Congress approached the Department of
Speaker 2: Justice and said, hey, you forgot to do these things,
Speaker 2: and you did all the these other things. You need to
Speaker 2: fix it, and then several of them, to I guess
Speaker 2: the credit of the DOJ, they fix them, but only
Speaker 2: after giving certain congress people access to these files like
Speaker 2: personal quiet, access to these files.
Speaker 5: On hardwired machines, mind you, in or their department. They
Speaker 5: let them come in, take a look for a couple
Speaker 5: of hours, I mean, that's what we're talking.
Speaker 4: And then walk out without those files, without copies of them.
Speaker 4: Basically skiff rules. And we know that right now. Well
Speaker 4: as of February, three people aside from Galain Maxwell, have
Speaker 4: undergone criminal investigations due to what was revealed in the
Speaker 4: Epstein files. And these three people are they're high value
Speaker 4: targets you could call them, but none of them are
Speaker 4: from the United States. It's the Norwegian former Norwegian prime minister.
Speaker 4: It's this real pill over in the UK, Andrew and
Speaker 4: then another British guy, a politician named Peter Mandelsson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe Andrew got stripped of his princely title
Speaker 5: and down to a smaller estate. You know, he no
Speaker 5: longer gets a castle or something like that. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's what we're talking here, and that is ongoing. He
Speaker 5: was arrested and collared, put in you know, given a
Speaker 5: purp walk, which is a big deal.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't hold my breath ready jail time.
Speaker 2: And Peter Mandelsson was the he was in some way.
Speaker 2: He was in the House of Lords, right, I believe
Speaker 2: that's correct, the right honorable Lord Mandelsson.
Speaker 4: I love, right, honorable. By the way, I am sad
Speaker 4: that we don't have that in the United States.
Speaker 2: He's a former UK ambassador to the US.
Speaker 4: That's okay, And he had some sketchy financial dealings. And also,
Speaker 4: by the way, folks, as we mentioned in our previous
Speaker 4: Strange News program, which you can find wherever you find
Speaker 4: your favorite shows, Prince Andrew did not get arrested for
Speaker 4: allegations of sexual abuse. He got arrested for insider trading.
Speaker 3: Basically, I thought it was some sort.
Speaker 5: Of like political misconduct of some kind. It was a
Speaker 5: little more broad.
Speaker 4: It was financial stuff, kind of like how Capone went
Speaker 4: down for income tax evation.
Speaker 5: Sure or again, even the ultimate or the first charge
Speaker 5: that Epstein received felt like a real downgrade.
Speaker 2: Well, guys, tell me if I'm wrong here. I imagine,
Speaker 2: if you're in this position, you're a billionaire, your royalty,
Speaker 2: you're whatever in those echelons. You've done some things in
Speaker 2: your life, probably that you're not proud of, that probably
Speaker 2: at least skirted the law in some way to get
Speaker 2: where you are. The last thing you want is to
Speaker 2: have some form of discovery process that's wide in your life.
Speaker 2: You do not want. This, do not want because all
Speaker 2: the other little cracks start to show, all the other
Speaker 2: little rats start to run out and scurry around, because
Speaker 2: now everybody's scared that you're under investigation. I think I
Speaker 2: just imagine that that kind of thing is one of
Speaker 2: the worst fears with all of this stuff. You just
Speaker 2: don't want the investigation to begin because what's at stake
Speaker 2: is your legacy, right, maybe your treasure that you've accrued,
Speaker 2: maybe your family's wealth at some point, but ultimately it's
Speaker 2: your name. And I wonder that if these people are
Speaker 2: not mostly worried about that.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if it's also personal safety, because one thing
Speaker 4: that's happened in counter terrorism that required some nuance is
Speaker 4: you know, you can rattle the cage. Right, you can
Speaker 4: rattle the bag of badgers, say you're looking for one,
Speaker 4: and then see who else starts to behave in a
Speaker 4: strange way because they think they'll get found out as
Speaker 4: you go through the skeletons in the closet.
Speaker 5: Well, that when people flip.
Speaker 4: But that's yeah, that's not just when people flip. But
Speaker 4: at this level, it is not inconceivable that some of
Speaker 4: these folks say, hey, if liability the eye turns to me, Yeah,
Speaker 4: do I become a liability? Is the not my legacy,
Speaker 4: but is my physical life and the life of my
Speaker 4: family in danger of ending?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Because those other badgers don't want to get pulled out
Speaker 4: of the bag.
Speaker 2: You might be right, man, but I think at these
Speaker 2: levels you've got security, and you know, if you pay
Speaker 2: people enough, I think you're I I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know, because we know, we do know that a
Speaker 2: supreme leader, let's say of Iran, can get touched if
Speaker 2: you have the right munitions, or let's say Maduro, a
Speaker 2: guy who runs an entire country, can get just whisks away.
Speaker 2: But you know there are there are intense like contractor
Speaker 2: security teams around a lot of these folks. And I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe they have a fear of death, but
Speaker 2: I feel like people that operate on that level are
Speaker 2: somehow like I. Maybe that's just my imagining that people
Speaker 2: aren't as afraid of death once you get somewhere in
Speaker 2: those levels, and I wonder why you're.
Speaker 5: There's always a level above you know, there's always a
Speaker 5: bigger badger.
Speaker 3: You know that you don't want to poke a rattle.
Speaker 5: That could potentially trump any of those measures or even
Speaker 5: get to the folks who are protecting you. I just
Speaker 5: I don't know, not to sound too paranoid, but I
Speaker 5: just feel like there are wheels within wheels, and no
Speaker 5: matter what level you might be at, there's always someone
Speaker 5: above you. There's always a bigger fish that can just
Speaker 5: snatch you up.
Speaker 4: That makes sense, And we know also, speaking of bigger fish,
Speaker 4: that despite the five arrests Okay Epstein, Galain, Maxwell Thorburn, Joggland, Yogland,
Speaker 4: Prince Andrew and Peter Mendelssohn, despite those five arrests, the
Speaker 4: world seems certain that there are way more Epstein related
Speaker 4: offenders out there. So our question becomes what's getting covered up?
Speaker 4: This is what we know about the Epstein files so far.
Speaker 4: Before we continue again, folks, as we said at the top,
Speaker 4: please note this may not be appropriate for all audiences.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back years where it gets crazy. When
Speaker 4: would we say the Epstein files begin to coalesce?
Speaker 2: Gosh, when Epstein meets Gallaine and her dad?
Speaker 4: Oh, Robert Maxwell?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I guess when you say coalesce, you mean
Speaker 5: like the the you know, when does the story begin?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's tricky because we know we can loosely
Speaker 4: say that the collection of these files begins around two
Speaker 4: thousand and five, but the events recorded in this yeah,
Speaker 4: the stuff they collect, to your point, nol, it dates
Speaker 4: back far earlier. As we said earlier. In two thousand
Speaker 4: and six, the FBI was investigating Epstein again, following reports
Speaker 4: that he had been paying minors for sexual acts in
Speaker 4: his mansion in Florida. Fast forward a year two thousand
Speaker 4: and seven, the FEDS have a draft indictment of thirty
Speaker 4: two counts against Epstein and two of his employees. But
Speaker 4: we all know how that worked out, courtesy of US
Speaker 4: Attorney Alexander Acosta.
Speaker 3: What do you guys, I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's often criticism by the current administration and certain mouthpieces
Speaker 5: of it that, well, if it was so bad, if
Speaker 5: everything that was in there was so damning to the
Speaker 5: president and all his cronies or whatever, why didn't the
Speaker 5: Biden administration release it? And the answer to that as always, well,
Speaker 5: it was an active investigation.
Speaker 3: Do you guys buy that? Does that really matter?
Speaker 5: Is that as ironclad a thing as folks seem to
Speaker 5: say on the left, or could there have been something
Speaker 5: done in terms of trying to politically damage folks?
Speaker 4: It's I think it's an a political cover up. No,
Speaker 4: it has been politicized, weaponized in various ways. But uh,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people on the so called
Speaker 4: or public facing left were also in the files. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and active in uh, active in preventing that from getting
Speaker 4: to the public.
Speaker 5: To your point, if they release the trumpy bits, they
Speaker 5: also have to release some other, you know, damning things
Speaker 5: that get swept up in there, and it could just
Speaker 5: be a zero sum game in terms of political damage.
Speaker 2: Well, let's remember, really think back how important the concept
Speaker 2: of releasing the Epstein files has been for the Trump
Speaker 2: administry as.
Speaker 5: A political talking points, as a campaign promise.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, as a giant ramp We're gonna get there
Speaker 2: one day, and it's gonna happen. So people who support
Speaker 2: that administration, who wanted that, that was a huge part
Speaker 2: of it. Right, So once you get up there, you
Speaker 2: have to take action. You have to do something so
Speaker 2: you get the performative stuff that happened last year. Right,
Speaker 2: we all remember the giant folders that were the buying
Speaker 2: and buyer. Oh look at all this stuff we got.
Speaker 2: This is incredible. But ultimately, what you've got or appointed
Speaker 2: human beings at key positions within the Department of Justice,
Speaker 2: within the FBI, within all these other places, that the
Speaker 2: primary directive, if if we're talking about like a programmed robot,
Speaker 2: the primary directive is to protect Number one, protect the
Speaker 2: president right, and protect everybody who's connected to Number one
Speaker 2: and within the administration. That that is my opinion on
Speaker 2: what their prime directive is because of what I've seen
Speaker 2: them do and say. You have to take action, so
Speaker 2: you do release things, but you also have to protect
Speaker 2: Number one. With both of those things happening at the
Speaker 2: same time, you see exactly what we see today.
Speaker 4: We also know that when Epstein was arrested for the
Speaker 4: last time on Saturday, July sixth, twenty nineteen, he was
Speaker 4: over at the Teeterborough Airport in New Jersey. He seemed
Speaker 4: to know what was up. He had gotten wind of
Speaker 4: what was going to happen. He probably knew before he landed.
Speaker 4: But it's interesting if you look at agent's notes from
Speaker 4: the FBI guys who arrested him getting off his private jet.
Speaker 4: The notes they have are him asking questions literally as
Speaker 4: he's cuffed and in the car. He says, is this
Speaker 4: about sex trafficking? Is this about underage? Like? He did
Speaker 4: not say lawyer, He did not you know, he did
Speaker 4: not clam up the way you're supposed to. He seemed
Speaker 4: to anticipate what was going to happen. Five weeks later,
Speaker 4: per the official story, he dies.
Speaker 2: Well, doesn't it make you wonder his reaction there from
Speaker 2: the plane. Doesn't it make you wonder a little bit
Speaker 2: about maybe that's not the worst thing that he was doing.
Speaker 2: Hell no, or maybe that's not the scariest Iceberg.
Speaker 5: It's the surface level stuff. It's almost charming to him. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: I'll answer.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm bringing it up. It's like you're getting
Speaker 4: arrested and you go, oh, which one for which thing?
Speaker 5: His demeanor in some of those depositions videos it's cool
Speaker 5: as a damn cucumber man. That is not a dude
Speaker 5: that is experiencing remorse, that is not a dude that
Speaker 5: is worried. It's comical the degree of cool that he
Speaker 5: exhibits in some of those interviews.
Speaker 4: And we all remember hearing the news right for a
Speaker 4: brief period of time, it was similar to UFO disclosure conversations. Right,
Speaker 4: we're on the cusp of exposing this vast conspiracy. The
Speaker 4: network of fellow predators will be identified, investigated, possibly detained
Speaker 4: or prosecuted. But we saw folklore kick in too high
Speaker 4: gear because the public did not have much in the
Speaker 4: way of transparency or official confirmation. So without transparency, speculation thrives.
Speaker 4: And this is where we see modern conspiracy engines kicking
Speaker 4: up into high gear. People started taking the news that
Speaker 4: we could prove and folding it into their own existing
Speaker 4: lore right about shadowy cabals or maybe Clinton corruption, or
Speaker 4: murky tales of similar trafficking rings and financial entrapment by
Speaker 4: intelligence agencies. It was going nuts. But none of Epstein's
Speaker 4: known proven associates other than Gallaine Maxwell, have been criminally
Speaker 4: charged in the United States even now.
Speaker 2: Well because at the through all of this until the
Speaker 2: full release. There were so many rumors, right, and as
Speaker 2: you said, been conspiracy theories, ideas, possibilities. Maybe possibly this
Speaker 2: person was connected. I've heard rumors this person was connected.
Speaker 2: But now we actually get them and still their reactions
Speaker 2: on alleged perpetrators of this stuff.
Speaker 5: What's the best way to discredit something true, It's to
Speaker 5: mix it in with a bunch of crazy sounding stuff.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 5: I mean, no question, we'll get to the four channel
Speaker 5: that now, maybe this was done intentionally from the jump.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Emily Dickinson once wrote, tell the truth, but
Speaker 4: tell it slant right. Give people a little taste of
Speaker 4: the truth, but make sure the solution is ninety eight
Speaker 4: percent embellishment and bs. It's it's understandable that the lack
Speaker 4: of prosecution six plus years after this guy's death has
Speaker 4: given rise to outrage and conspiracy theories. It's logical to ask,
Speaker 4: why do these powerful people go if not unpunished, uninvestigated,
Speaker 4: And when the newest files released, those accusations of cover
Speaker 4: up only grew. We go to folks like Deputy Attorney
Speaker 4: General Todd Blanche who said, yeah, he had the following
Speaker 4: quote we're not going to play it, but we'll give
Speaker 4: it to you. Quote. I can't talk about any investigations,
Speaker 4: but I will say the following, which is that in July,
Speaker 4: the Department of just This said that we had reviewed
Speaker 4: the Epstein files and there was nothing in there that
Speaker 4: allowed us to prosecute anybody. We then released over three
Speaker 4: and a half million pieces of paper, which the entire
Speaker 4: world can look at now and see if we got
Speaker 4: it wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't know about that. We can't look at much.
Speaker 4: Right, we're officially saying we did everything, We looked at everything,
Speaker 4: and everything is we can't prosecute anybody.
Speaker 2: Isn't it funny because the US, justin de Bartman says
Speaker 2: it's over, We've done it, We're all done. But then
Speaker 2: let's say, I mean, if you're in another country and
Speaker 2: you're aware of other things related to Jeffrey Epstein, like
Speaker 2: in let's say France, and you're aware of a guy
Speaker 2: named Jean Luke Brunel, maybe you set up your own
Speaker 2: independent review to fully analyze and investigate what is available
Speaker 2: in the Epstein files. So like this is real and
Speaker 2: it is happening. France is setting up their own basically
Speaker 2: special team of magistrates who are going to go through
Speaker 2: and redig through this entire thing because they know. Among
Speaker 2: people in France that were a part of this whole thing,
Speaker 2: there was a guy named Jean Luke Brunell, who have
Speaker 2: we talked about him at all?
Speaker 5: I don't think so. To please tell me more about
Speaker 5: what you know. This is not something that I've followed
Speaker 5: that closely.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, this guy named Jean Luke Brunell, who
Speaker 2: was the former boss of a modeling agency, was accused of,
Speaker 2: according to The Guardian, rape and suspicion of supplying underage
Speaker 2: girls to Jeffrey Epstein. He's arrested in twenty twenty. In
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, he was found dead hanging in his cell.
Speaker 2: Seems pretty similar, seems pretty close to it that he
Speaker 2: had been questioned about human trafficking. He led this basically
Speaker 2: talent model agency for a long time and for years
Speaker 2: in the ninth he was a model talent scout and
Speaker 2: he was a boss of this thing called Karen Models
Speaker 2: ka r I n or Karne Models. Maybe he was.
Speaker 5: Had in public facing, like you know, business reason to exist, right,
Speaker 5: We're talking fashion type stuff and photo shoots and various
Speaker 5: things like that.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, it was a big deal. He discovered he is.
Speaker 2: He is credited with discovering Christy Turlington and Mila Djoviovic.
Speaker 2: He also met Glene Maxwell in the nineteen eighties and
Speaker 2: that's when he was introduced to Epstein, which so you
Speaker 2: can see if it goes back that far, right with
Speaker 2: a French modeling agency guy who is potentially possibly supplying
Speaker 2: underage girls to this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, and that's only
Speaker 2: one of the people that's doing that. And then you
Speaker 2: also start to hear rumors about what was this one Wasserman,
Speaker 2: Casey Wasserman who had a talent agency called Wasserman that
Speaker 2: now people are leaving in droves because he may or
Speaker 2: may not have some kind of connection to the Epstein file.
Speaker 5: Let's not forget about John Casablancas as well, Julian Casablancas
Speaker 5: from the Strokes' father, who has huge modeling magnate and
Speaker 5: very very buddy buddy with Epstein and named many times
Speaker 5: and a lot of these accusations.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you're somebody that runs a beauty pageant, a massive,
Speaker 2: popular beauty pageant that goes on television every year and
Speaker 2: you're all over this person's life, doesn't it. It sucks
Speaker 2: because you can't go out and say, like the thing
Speaker 2: that you feel, you know, but damn, it feels like
Speaker 2: there's a pretty close connection to those specific gentlemen and
Speaker 2: the things that they were doing and their connections with
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein and another person who is currently leading the
Speaker 2: United States of America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to this point, multiple other countries clearly don't trust
Speaker 4: the DOJ's conclusions. That's why they're doing their own independent investigations,
Speaker 4: which we applaud.
Speaker 5: By the way, aren't there people over here calling for
Speaker 5: a special master or like some kind of there, Yes,
Speaker 5: the kind of what would what would be as similar
Speaker 5: to an independent.
Speaker 4: Review, and the House Oversight Committee, which we'll get to,
Speaker 4: has made some strident statements as well. But obviously, again logically,
Speaker 4: I keep going back to this. You learn about all
Speaker 4: these all these horrific things, and you say, well, don't
Speaker 4: we have rule of law? Shouldn't someone get in trouble
Speaker 4: if they commit a crime. These released files contain specific
Speaker 4: information about individuals, timelines, illegal activities, including accusations that two
Speaker 4: women were murdered and buried on Epstein's orders, possibly more
Speaker 4: so this is heavy, heavy stuff, and uh, there's there's
Speaker 4: a great debate, a bit of a schism in mass
Speaker 4: media right now about why these investigations indicated in the
Speaker 4: files went on so long with so little action. The
Speaker 4: New York Times had a piece a while back explaining
Speaker 4: this as a series of miscommunications and drop like fumbles. Basically,
Speaker 4: the people in government agencies who should have been talking
Speaker 4: to each other were not talking to each other, or
Speaker 4: survivors of abuse would contact the authorities and they would
Speaker 4: be ignored, or someone would leave an anonymous tip, also ignored.
Speaker 4: Drug agents investigated, they found nothing.
Speaker 2: I don't know if people protecting each other because there's
Speaker 2: dirt on them.
Speaker 4: This is where I'm wondering. Is it really a lack
Speaker 4: of justice due to miscommunication and discordination, or is it
Speaker 4: you know, to your point there, Matt, is it something.
Speaker 3: Bigger at play?
Speaker 4: Is it people trying to cover up the truth and
Speaker 4: protect their keysters.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, that's it's opinion, But damn it, it
Speaker 2: seems exactly like that. That's sure what it looks like.
Speaker 4: It's sure what it looks like from here outside of
Speaker 4: the cabul.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think to everybody, though, it's that's the thing, man,
Speaker 2: It's so transparent at this point, it's like so obvious
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 3: It's cliche.
Speaker 5: It's the most cliche version of evil men doing evil things.
Speaker 3: And doing a real bad job covering it up. It's
Speaker 3: just like, come up, give me.
Speaker 2: A break, and what are we? What are we the
Speaker 2: public of every country, every human being on the planet
Speaker 2: that like is aware of it and just looks at
Speaker 2: it and goes, oh, holy crap, what do we do?
Speaker 2: How do you fight against those guys? Those guys are
Speaker 2: the ones that are currently dropping bombs on Iran because
Speaker 2: they don't want you to think about the Epstein files. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. That's not why they're doing that. It's
Speaker 2: kind of why they're doing it.
Speaker 5: It's historically why things like that have been done. It's
Speaker 5: to distract from bad poll numbers. It's to distract from
Speaker 5: other scandals.
Speaker 3: To wag the dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and to interfere, obviously with midterm elections.
Speaker 2: Let's not us that give reason to suspend that election.
Speaker 4: Maybe an emergency of some sort. Now, we don't have
Speaker 4: all the information from these investigations, but we do have
Speaker 4: multiple bizarre events from the files bizarre interactions that have
Speaker 4: been released, you know, like the recently revealed news. Also
Speaker 4: a great article in the New York Times about this
Speaker 4: that Epstein had that network of private doctors we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 4: they tailored medical service to himself and to his victims.
Speaker 4: So maybe we explore some of these activities people and
Speaker 4: incidents mentioned. First off, a lot of the Epstein files
Speaker 4: that you can read on the DOJ website or on
Speaker 4: a couple of Epstein wikis searchable databases. A lot of
Speaker 4: the stuff you're going to read is going to be
Speaker 4: a ton of sometimes casual, sometimes cryptic chatter, like a
Speaker 4: lot of brief emails back and forth, and then every
Speaker 4: so often something you'll mention a torture video or a
Speaker 4: harem right. And some of these things are inane, you know.
Speaker 4: Some of them are as simple as like what are
Speaker 4: you doing in December? You should come hang out at
Speaker 4: the island. And then some seem to be dark inside
Speaker 4: jokes or these veiled references that, depending on how we
Speaker 4: interpret them, could be alluding to trafficking an abuse of miners.
Speaker 4: It gets very murky, very.
Speaker 2: Quickly when there's all the allegations of cannibalism as well,
Speaker 2: which are just rumors, and you know people putting jerky, right,
Speaker 2: we talked about jerky a little bit.
Speaker 3: I know, I kind of just read a quick little
Speaker 3: thing from Reddit.
Speaker 2: This redditor.
Speaker 3: I think that's just so smart.
Speaker 5: So you release the information on Clinton, Gates, elon even
Speaker 5: a bit on tru However, you ensure that the stuff
Speaker 5: about Trump is either ambiguous due to redaction, or has
Speaker 5: some sort of deniability built in. On further reflection, Since
Speaker 5: your goal is distraction and you're deliberately choosing ambiguity and
Speaker 5: inherent deniability, make sure anything about Trump appears to be
Speaker 5: as salacious as possible for maximum impact. Anything that is
Speaker 5: actually damaging to Trump or any truly important allies without
Speaker 5: the requisite built in ambiguity or deniability goes into the
Speaker 5: proverbial incinerator. The end goal is to release enough volume
Speaker 5: that you and your supporter as concredibly as in other
Speaker 5: people they would have been happy with zero pages. Claim
Speaker 5: you complied and released all the documents, and ideally you
Speaker 5: want it to look plausibly authentic from a content standpoint.
Speaker 5: But once again, you're mixing in that stuff about cannibalism.
Speaker 5: You're mixing in the most salacious stuff sometimes the most
Speaker 5: salacious stuff is the stuff that is waved away because
Speaker 5: it's too it's too crazy.
Speaker 3: Cannibalism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's outside of the overt window. It's a similar
Speaker 4: strategy that some bad kids in grade school might remember
Speaker 4: where you didn't want your parents to know you were
Speaker 4: smoking weed, but you had to give them something, so
Speaker 4: you left a cigarette butt on the patio. And now
Speaker 4: that's the big story that.
Speaker 5: Was from Reddit or del varies by the way. I
Speaker 5: just wanted to want to take any credit for this
Speaker 5: person's analysis I think is smart.
Speaker 2: I never did that, Ben, I never did that. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that was a thing to do.
Speaker 4: Well, watch out the kids getting older every day. We
Speaker 4: know that there have been a lot of independent Reddit
Speaker 4: investigations or posted on Reddit because the public journalists are
Speaker 4: doing the work that they feel a lot of mass
Speaker 4: media is not. I want to go to a story
Speaker 4: we mentioned briefly. I brought this up in our Strange
Speaker 4: news program or a group chat maybe a while back.
Speaker 4: Business Insider, a journalist named Jacob Shamseion revealed something fascinating
Speaker 4: I think to all of us. The site four chan,
Speaker 4: which don't visit on your work computer. It seemed to
Speaker 4: have brought news of Jeffrey Epstein's official death thirty eight
Speaker 4: minutes before the rest of the world knew about it.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's weird, right eight sixteen am August tenth,
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, anonymous four Chan user said, quote, don't ask
Speaker 4: me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago
Speaker 4: from hanging cardiac arrest screencap.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 4: Before we take this as a reputable source, we do
Speaker 4: have to tell everybody who is not familiar with the
Speaker 4: dirty streets of the internet. Four Chan is a wild place.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Not ideal.
Speaker 5: No, no, it's it's successful, it's it's problematic as hell.
Speaker 3: And apparently there was a lot of.
Speaker 5: Connection between prominent four chan folks and Gallaine Maxwell herself,
Speaker 5: who was I believe buddy buddy.
Speaker 3: With with some of these folks.
Speaker 4: It was actually read it, Oh she's yeah, she was
Speaker 4: an active Reddit user.
Speaker 5: What I'm gonna go, what I'm getting at, is that
Speaker 5: they that she may well have been responsible for creating
Speaker 5: a lot of the q and on stuff, like on
Speaker 5: purpose in order to flood the zone, like you were saying, Ben,
Speaker 5: in order to like mix in some of that truth
Speaker 5: with some stuff that's just absolutely outlandish, uh, and therefore
Speaker 5: become the stuff of conspiracy theory rather than you know,
Speaker 5: the because because to the point of what the previous
Speaker 5: Reddit post that I was reading was saying is that
Speaker 5: you got to have it have the ring of truth,
Speaker 5: So you gotta have some wild stuff in there that
Speaker 5: could be plausible. But then when you mix it in
Speaker 5: with all of this like outlandish stuff like the q
Speaker 5: Andon stuff and all of that Pizzagate, et cetera, it dish.
Speaker 5: It kind of discredits all of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which would be the end goal, right, because investigators
Speaker 4: only have so much time, is the assumption.
Speaker 5: But also public opinion, right, and public opinion is ever fickle.
Speaker 4: It moves with the wind. We know that. In the
Speaker 4: recently released tranch of Epstein files, we see the FBI
Speaker 4: and the Department of Justice were aware of this four
Speaker 4: chan post, and it's not just one post, it's a conversation.
Speaker 4: They tried to identify the four chan user, but apparently
Speaker 4: they had no luck. They reached out to AT and T,
Speaker 4: the telecom provider in question, and AT and T said,
Speaker 4: we can't comply because we don't keep those kind of
Speaker 4: records on a day to day basis. They did find
Speaker 4: the FBI and DOJ that this user, whomever this user
Speaker 4: may be, did stick around to answer questions on this chat.
Speaker 4: They seemed to know medical terminology, implying that maybe they
Speaker 4: were a medical professional. They gave a blow by blow
Speaker 4: on how authorities intubated Epstein, gave them fluids, moved them
Speaker 4: to that er in Manhattan. And this is also where
Speaker 4: we see one of the earliest conspiracies about Jeffrey Epstein's death.
Speaker 4: It was a deleted post that was apparently recovered via
Speaker 4: an FBI subpeda, and the user wrote, you guys, I'm
Speaker 4: shaking right now, but I think they switched them out,
Speaker 4: meaning this person was saying they think Epstein was taken
Speaker 4: to this medical facility in Manhattan, declared dead, and then
Speaker 4: his body was switched out with another body flooding the zone.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's exciting to think about. Feels like an
Speaker 2: X Files episode, feels like something you know, you might
Speaker 2: see on your television and maybe it really did happen.
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody, you know, if you imagine in a large
Speaker 2: hospital or something, or even in a prison system, somebody
Speaker 2: who's manning the security system, who has access to all
Speaker 2: the cameras, that Hey, they're all functioning right now when
Speaker 2: everything goes down, but when there's an investigation, oh, only
Speaker 2: two of the cameras work. It's I mean, you can
Speaker 2: imagine somebody like that might actually be in that position
Speaker 2: to see something and have their phone and be able
Speaker 2: to just you know, make a quick anonymous post if
Speaker 2: they feel safe. They think they're on a VPN that's
Speaker 2: protecting them. They think they can anonymously post, you know,
Speaker 2: on a four channel or Reddit. Maybe that's real. Maybe,
Speaker 2: but in the end, there's no way. Right now, I
Speaker 2: don't think there's any way to prove that at least
Speaker 2: the exist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so without extraordinary evidence.
Speaker 2: You know exactly.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say before we move on, I
Speaker 5: know we've been in this uh you know, branch of
Speaker 5: it for a minute, but the prevalence of in the
Speaker 5: Epstein files of the terms pizza and grape soda, uh,
Speaker 5: and it just feels like that's the kind of stuff
Speaker 5: that we were hearing about, you know, with QAnon, this
Speaker 5: idea of pizzagate, and like it was obviously cast as
Speaker 5: a more of a democratic issue, where it was this
Speaker 5: democratic cabal of child molesters and Satanists and child murderers
Speaker 5: and all this stuff and Hillary Clinton. It was all
Speaker 5: kind of it seemed to be used to, you know,
Speaker 5: politically damage her, and you know it worked to a
Speaker 5: certain degree. But now we're seeing pizza coming up time
Speaker 5: and time again, talking about having a pizza party. Really
Speaker 5: enjoyed that pizza. Let's go for pizza and grape soda.
Speaker 5: No one else can understand a redacted sender was writing
Speaker 5: in some of these released files. It feels like all
Speaker 5: of that stuff was kind of referring to Epstein all along.
Speaker 4: Quite possibly. Yeah, I mean every accusation is a confession.
Speaker 2: Or maybe there's more than one giant child trafficking cabal
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 4: Check out the Monster of Belgium, right, check out boystout right,
Speaker 4: check out the Franklin abuse ring. Right, and see how
Speaker 4: murky that stuff gets, and how few people actually went
Speaker 4: down or got convicted, how few survivors saw justice. It
Speaker 4: is quite possible that the world is more terrible than
Speaker 4: people would like to imagine. I'm sorry, this bothers me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, yeah, yeah, I think it's pretty bothersome.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the money really quickly, because the one
Speaker 2: thing you learn in investigations of any kind follow the money.
Speaker 2: That's generally one of the one of the best ways
Speaker 2: to discover new things. Something came out last year in October.
Speaker 2: This is from The Guardian. A Senator Elizabeth Warren here
Speaker 2: in the US was urging regulators to investigate a few
Speaker 2: particular individuals in the banking sector because of transactions. Basically
Speaker 2: the money that Jeffrey Epstein had access to and was
Speaker 2: using and was investing and then would end up paying out,
Speaker 2: you know, fifty thousand dollars here, three hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. There are a couple of million over
Speaker 2: here to different institutions as donations, just keeping money. Huge, huge,
Speaker 2: to the tune of hundreds of thousand of dollars withdrawals
Speaker 2: from different accounts from this one little piece from the Guardian,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren urges US regulators to investigate Jess Stanley ties
Speaker 2: to Epstein. Just Stanley was a part of Barclay's Barclay's
Speaker 2: I guess is how you would say it. He's a
Speaker 2: former Barclay's boss, and there's really interesting information about the
Speaker 2: money that Epstein was playing with. I'm gonna just read
Speaker 2: this directly. This is from Mikaylina Markotov. During his fifteen
Speaker 2: year relationship with JP Morgan, Epstein opened at least one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four accounts, processed over one billion dollars
Speaker 2: US in transactions, and brought in several other lucrative clients.
Speaker 2: And JP Morgan has already paid two hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: million dollars US in settlements to Epstein's victims, because that
Speaker 2: is the money that was a part of controlling them
Speaker 2: and trafficking them, right, so, but the but that's the
Speaker 2: institution itself, So it ends up paying a huge fine
Speaker 2: of two hundred ninety million dollars. The individuals who are
Speaker 2: in charge of these banks at the time have not
Speaker 2: seen any kind of pushback or blowback against them, besides
Speaker 2: a couple of a couple of things. Because Staley did
Speaker 2: have what he has a lifetime ban operating any kind
Speaker 2: of banking system or working for any kind of banking
Speaker 2: system in the UK, like he cannot work in the
Speaker 2: UK financial sector because it was found that he lied
Speaker 2: to authorities about his relationship with Epstein, because there was
Speaker 2: a cash of over twelve hundred emails between him and
Speaker 2: Epstein between the head of a bank and this man,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4: I'd want to also point out we mentioned the name
Speaker 4: Ehud Barak look into him, folks. For a while, Wexner
Speaker 4: and Epstein's financial relationship went through a series of proxies
Speaker 4: and Matroshka dolls, and the trail went cold at Duiche
Speaker 4: Bank and from there, if you follow that, and this
Speaker 4: is what I want to do that second episode about
Speaker 4: the intel allegations. From there, it goes to banks in Israel,
Speaker 4: eventually three different categories of banking, and a lot of
Speaker 4: that news is getting scrubbed from the internet as we speak.
Speaker 4: So I think I would pose the possibility to all
Speaker 4: of us tonight that the horrific sexual abuse is the
Speaker 4: focus of the mainstream news, and we do wish justice
Speaker 4: for the survivors, but I would positive goes much further
Speaker 4: than that. I see that abuse and the trafficking and
Speaker 4: the blackmail and extortion. I see that as one tool
Speaker 4: in a larger toolkit to have leverage and influence over
Speaker 4: very powerful people.
Speaker 2: Yes, Ben, there's there's a security firm that Ahud was
Speaker 2: a part of that we need to we need to
Speaker 2: drill down into completely that appears to have connections to
Speaker 2: this whole thing that has had it's been renamed several times,
Speaker 2: which we know as we followed, like let's say private
Speaker 2: contractors over the years who renamed themselves a dozen times.
Speaker 2: It's usually for very specific reasons that they're trying to
Speaker 2: save face or change you know, change course.
Speaker 4: Skip the you know, get get the heat of public
Speaker 4: attention off them for a little bit and wait for
Speaker 4: the next thing. I mean, there's so much we're not
Speaker 4: going to get to tonight. This feels like the beginning
Speaker 4: of a longer journey. I think we can agree. We
Speaker 4: know that Bill Gates.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Bill Gates has rejected the claims from Jeffrey Epstein in
Speaker 4: the files, where Jeffrey Epstein appears to indicate that Gates
Speaker 4: caught an STI from a Russian victim, and that he
Speaker 4: also asked Jeffrey Epstein how to, instead of telling his
Speaker 4: wife that he contracted this SDI, how to secretly dose
Speaker 4: her with antibiotics.
Speaker 3: So that she didn't know, so that she never found out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean sealacious, Yes, does it have the ring of truth?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 5: Really quickly, guys, I just wanted to I was searching
Speaker 5: for this earlier and I was sort of fumbling my
Speaker 5: way through it, but I did find it is contained
Speaker 5: in the Epstein files that Jeffrey Epstein was acquainted with
Speaker 5: Christopher Poole, the founder of four chan, who goes by
Speaker 5: the handle Moot. They were introduced, in fact by a
Speaker 5: guy named Boris Nikolik, who was a biotech guy, a
Speaker 5: money guy, and also a doctor and a former advisor
Speaker 5: to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, saying that that
Speaker 5: Epstein needed to meet this cool kid, one of the
Speaker 5: greatest hackers and a real sensitive guy. Epstein said that
Speaker 5: he liked him. They had a nice hang, and then
Speaker 5: of course it was a board on four chan where
Speaker 5: Pizzagate began, and then pole that's correct, and there's an
Speaker 5: excellent Vanity Fair piece by Clara Malow or Malot that
Speaker 5: I'm pulling from here, and she points out there is
Speaker 5: no evidence that Epstein influenced the creation of that board
Speaker 5: or that he had any direct hand in any of
Speaker 5: this stuff, but the timing's weird, and they definitely knew
Speaker 5: each other. And also Julane Maxwell is thought to have
Speaker 5: been a power user on Reddit and potentially carrying over
Speaker 5: some of those things from the four Chance sphere into
Speaker 5: the Reddit sphere, which is a little bit more mainstream.
Speaker 4: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Speaker 3: No, I know, I just think it's wild. I think
Speaker 3: it's right.
Speaker 4: I agree with you there, and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of us do. I mean, we know. Look, we know
Speaker 4: that victim statements or I prefer the term survivors statements
Speaker 4: tell us that these people are are not satisfied with
Speaker 4: the DOJ's conclusions. They're describing the release and the way
Speaker 4: the government handles it as a slap in the face
Speaker 4: and outrageous because, as we noted, I've been having a
Speaker 4: hard time with it, it's such a dumb mistake to
Speaker 4: make unredaction that easy. I wonder if they were purposely
Speaker 4: dog whistling to say, hey, docs, these people like I.
Speaker 4: The odds seems stacked against the survivors. We talked about
Speaker 4: the Lolita book, We talked about the idea of you know,
Speaker 4: the graphic depictions of violence on the part of the
Speaker 4: current United States president. The DOJ says, we're in compliance
Speaker 4: with the Transparency Act. We're not trying to protect anyone.
Speaker 4: There is no cover up. Don't believe the evidence. We
Speaker 4: have no plans to release any further information, and that's
Speaker 4: where we see the government disagreeing with itself through Congress.
Speaker 2: Ben you shared with us something that was was showing
Speaker 2: how the administration did like remove some specific things right
Speaker 2: that were related.
Speaker 5: To pages Yeah, yeah, p stages that were out of sequence.
Speaker 5: So there was gaps that would have been contained in
Speaker 5: the official release, but they seem to have not redacted
Speaker 5: but just completely omitted.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That comes to us thanks to Stephen Fowler for an
Speaker 4: MPR exclusive investigation where they found that, despite their earlier statements,
Speaker 4: the Justice Department of the United States has been proven
Speaker 4: to have withheld Epstein files related to allegations that the
Speaker 4: current US president sexually abused a minor, and folks like
Speaker 4: Robert Garcia from the House Oversight Committee reviewed unredacted evidence
Speaker 4: logs and said, yeah, the DOJ is doing a cover up.
Speaker 4: There were files that got scrubbed from public view about
Speaker 4: multiple people who were key witnesses in prosecution. Right now,
Speaker 4: what the House Oversite Committee is saying, and what the
Speaker 4: MPR investigation concludes is that someone at the DOJ is
Speaker 4: trying their damnedest to keep the president out of this
Speaker 4: protect number one like.
Speaker 2: You, like you were saying, Matt, I want I want
Speaker 2: to add something in here because it's not it's it's
Speaker 2: part of the administration, but it's not the president. Right.
Speaker 2: Current Department of Defense Deputy secretary a guy named Steve
Speaker 2: and Andrew Feinberg. He once ran and founded this thing
Speaker 2: called Cerberus Capital Management. And there's a great piece from
Speaker 2: Project on Government Oversite that you can find from February
Speaker 2: sixth that detail how involved Cerberus Capital Management, a private
Speaker 2: equity firm, was with Jeffrey Epstein's finances from two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine to twenty thirteen, just how close they were connected.
Speaker 2: And then listen to this The Epstein Files is from
Speaker 2: the article. The Epstein files also include emails about Cerberus
Speaker 2: sent by higher ups from Deutsche Bank, which you had
Speaker 2: mentioned ben as being a part of this thing they managed.
Speaker 2: Deutsche Bank are the people that managed Epstein's investments from
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen. They played an essential role
Speaker 2: in his trafficking scheme because that's where he got his
Speaker 2: money and how he moved it around. And the Deutsche
Speaker 2: Bank employees identified Cerberus as a high risk account in
Speaker 2: an email that exists within those files. But then it
Speaker 2: all it's just interesting how becomes a web of connections
Speaker 2: tied back to each other, and that there is a
Speaker 2: human being that is not provably but potentially tied to
Speaker 2: this whole Ski who is now the Deputy Secretary of
Speaker 2: the Department of Defense.
Speaker 4: And tying back again, you know, to want to be
Speaker 4: careful with this, but tied back again to the current
Speaker 4: president of the United States as well as past presidents.
Speaker 4: I mean he was appointed right, right, Yeah, these are
Speaker 4: not the part of government you get to vote for,
Speaker 4: even in a democracy. So other files are Some were
Speaker 4: briefly taken down and the Internet went crazy, and they
Speaker 4: got put back up online in some form, and the
Speaker 4: DOJ replied, oh, our website was overloaded. So again nothing
Speaker 4: to see here, no attempt at conspiracy.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't look.
Speaker 4: Great and I'm still I think we all are still
Speaker 4: pretty offended. When the White House was asked about this,
Speaker 4: and a White House spokesperson said, look, the current president
Speaker 4: has done more for Epstein's victims than anyone before him.
Speaker 3: It's just not true. It's just not even remotely true.
Speaker 5: I mean, at the we haven't even talked about the
Speaker 5: Pam BONDI hearing right, the Holy crowd, I mean, good lord,
Speaker 5: what a show just I'm sorry, a politically speaking exactly
Speaker 5: an utter embarrassment of a human person just looking like
Speaker 5: a looney tune. I mean, who has everything to hide?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's just it if it's yeh, quacks like
Speaker 5: a duck.
Speaker 4: But we love of we just want clowns in their place.
Speaker 5: Nose this notion of these victims that were in attendance,
Speaker 5: all of them raising their hands as having never been
Speaker 5: contacted by the DOJ, never been contacted by the FBI,
Speaker 5: I never given the opportunity to tell their story, to
Speaker 5: give their you know, testimony, and all of them saying yes, please,
Speaker 5: we want to they just don't want to hear it.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, there's no bit literally turned around to not
Speaker 4: look at them.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's one important thing that is the the the
Speaker 2: political pushback on that kind of thing, if it's if
Speaker 2: that argument is taken as a political stance, and the
Speaker 2: pushback is these aren't the first people who run the
Speaker 2: FBI or the Department of Justice, and this Epstein dude
Speaker 2: has been around for a long time. Wise we talked
Speaker 2: about at the top of the show, right, but that
Speaker 2: is definitely one of the first things. And it is
Speaker 2: because there are so many people who have stuff to
Speaker 2: hide and have controllable assets that are within some of
Speaker 2: these files. There's dirt on folks who get to those
Speaker 2: levels we've talked about before on the show. Right. Once
Speaker 2: you get to some of these levels, you are actively
Speaker 2: sought after by certain powers and that is not a
Speaker 2: conspiratorial thing.
Speaker 3: And you're part of the system, whether you like it
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 5: You're interconnected with even the people who you might not
Speaker 5: on paper or in the public eye be aligned with,
Speaker 5: and you have.
Speaker 4: To there's also an argument this is true in some echelons.
Speaker 4: There's an argument to even reach that level in the
Speaker 4: first place, you have to be compromised, right, Like you know,
Speaker 4: we could quote whatever Black Mirror episodes we want. But
Speaker 4: part of being in the Skull and Bones for instance,
Speaker 4: part of right, part of being in some selective societies
Speaker 4: I won't say secret, I'll play nice, but part of
Speaker 4: that is for you to give compromising information on yourself
Speaker 4: which establishes you as a trustworthy entity.
Speaker 3: That's crime talk, man. That's what happens when.
Speaker 5: You're in I'm sure destruction if that is what it is,
Speaker 5: and in a gang initiation that you have to kill somebody,
Speaker 5: you got to do a thing so they know they
Speaker 5: have this thing on you, and then you're not allowed
Speaker 5: to leave the gang or the mafia or whatever it
Speaker 5: might be.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Yes, we know all this stuff. And
Speaker 2: it makes me think about our early early discussions of
Speaker 2: Dave Chappelle and the offer that he got and then
Speaker 2: why he left the country went to Africa, right, because
Speaker 2: when you get offered millions and millions of dollars, tens
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars, there's usually something some extra comes
Speaker 2: with that deal. Those are the rumors, that's what we've heard.
Speaker 2: I've never been in that position.
Speaker 4: Do you want to be prime minister? We've gotta we
Speaker 4: gotta get you on film doing this thing.
Speaker 3: We're gonna need you to eat this baby. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I know that's but that's being discussed as well.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know out there, it makes me wonder
Speaker 2: about that whole hide the truth within a mass of
Speaker 2: other things. Right, I think back to the very first
Speaker 2: I think it's the pilot episode of Black Mirror.
Speaker 4: You remember this, right, Yeah, the way to the be
Speaker 4: prime minister.
Speaker 3: We is forced to check it out there There is.
Speaker 4: A unfortunately, there is a pork chop of truth to it.
Speaker 4: I will say, yeah, we don't want to spoil it
Speaker 4: too much, but we do want you to know. Files
Speaker 4: are still being hidden despite the Transparency Act that we
Speaker 4: mentioned at the top. We're talking more than fifty pages
Speaker 4: of FBI interviews, notes from conversations with a woman who
Speaker 4: accused the current president of sexual abuse decades ago, back
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty three, when she herself was a minor.
Speaker 4: You can find more of that. We're not going to
Speaker 4: we don't want to re traumatize any survivors of abuse,
Speaker 4: but we do need you to know again, even if
Speaker 4: you are skeptical, even if you are as objective as possible.
Speaker 4: But Dylan beat me here. This is so fed up.
Speaker 4: This is not a real investigation, no dude.
Speaker 2: But you know what I would say, It is nice
Speaker 2: to see people who are connected up to this thing
Speaker 2: losing their positions and their jobs in other parts of
Speaker 2: the world. We talked about in our Strange News episode
Speaker 2: A little bit Someday. Came out pretty recently on the
Speaker 2: twenty sixth, was that the head of the World Economic Forum,
Speaker 2: the CEO of the World Economic Forum, those folks that
Speaker 2: do that thing, what's it called guys at the World
Speaker 2: Economic Forum, that big party, they all have Davosh that
Speaker 2: guy he resigned after review, after a review into his
Speaker 2: links to Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4: You get a chance to resign or exactly the other consequences.
Speaker 2: Just remember when you see that news when somebody resigns
Speaker 2: or loses their position at a prestigious college or something,
Speaker 2: that is not really punishment.
Speaker 4: They're not going to jail. They're going to a chalet,
Speaker 4: right to a life of luxurious obscurity and perhaps quietly
Speaker 4: publish a memoir later. Right, Yeah, people are giving away.
Speaker 4: There's so much to unpack here, folks, we didn't need.
Speaker 4: We are gonna have to do an entire episode on
Speaker 4: Raphael or Zoro ranch over in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yes, yeah, we have to.
Speaker 4: And we have to look into again a deep dive
Speaker 4: into Epstein's possible ties with intelligence agencies. We'll have to
Speaker 4: be careful with that one.
Speaker 5: I think we just lay it out, dude, I agree,
Speaker 5: I agree, and guys, but on early in early January,
Speaker 5: I was seeing a lot of articles about saying how
Speaker 5: only about one percent of the total the totality of
Speaker 5: the Epstein files have been released. But then there was
Speaker 5: that massive drop, and now I'm seeing some other sources,
Speaker 5: largely led by the DOJ themselves, saying that they have
Speaker 5: released one hundred percent and that they are.
Speaker 3: In full compliance with the law. Okay, is that just smoke?
Speaker 3: I feel like it is. I feel like that's not
Speaker 3: That's certainly not the case.
Speaker 4: You are absolutely correct, my friend, that is certainly not
Speaker 4: the case. There's some tricky legalese there. When they're saying
Speaker 4: we've released one hundred percent of it, they're saying we've
Speaker 4: released one hundred percent of what we think is in
Speaker 4: compliance with the Epstein Transparency Act of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: They say that they're not releasing stuff they find redundant
Speaker 4: or irrelevant or a if.
Speaker 3: That's up to them to determine.
Speaker 5: They're curriating it like themselves their opinion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a non idea.
Speaker 2: Before we wrap, ban can I shout out two sources
Speaker 2: just for people to look up, and then we'll just
Speaker 2: move forward. Here we mentioned that it appears the Justice
Speaker 2: Department is specifically withholding files related to the current potus.
Speaker 2: If you go to NPR February twenty fourth, twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: Justice Apartment withheld and removed some Epstein files related to Trump.
Speaker 2: It just lays out the allegations. There are the specifics
Speaker 2: of those claims, and that.
Speaker 4: Again is Steve Fowler. That's your journalist.
Speaker 2: Yes, And if you head over to the New York Times,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna name the writers there you can look
Speaker 2: at there are three of them for this one. But
Speaker 2: the title is elite doctors served Jeffrey Epstein while treating
Speaker 2: his quote girls. This is from February twenty eighth, and
Speaker 2: it just outlines the connections there are between a lot
Speaker 2: of doctors, specifically Mount Sinai and doctor Ava Dubin, and
Speaker 2: then her connection to a bunch of other people, including
Speaker 2: a separate one in Palm Beach named doctor Bruce Moskovitz,
Speaker 2: which there's just a whole bunch of information in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You'll also see phrases in the Epstein files like an
Speaker 4: associate of his at mar A Lago nearby. What next?
Speaker 4: That's the billion dollar question. We stated way back in
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. Anyone who has participated in this kind of
Speaker 4: stuff should be identified, investigated, and if warranted, they should
Speaker 4: be fully prosecuted. Under the rule of law. No one
Speaker 4: should be indemnified. No one should be immune. It's happening
Speaker 4: in other countries, but here in the US it's not happening,
Speaker 4: and for now that seems to be the stuff they
Speaker 4: don't want you to know. Last note, if you or
Speaker 4: anyone you know may be a victim of human trafficking,
Speaker 4: please know their resources available if you are in immediate
Speaker 4: danger called nine one one. If you are looking for
Speaker 4: resources and assistants, go to the National Human Trafficking Hotline
Speaker 4: at one eight eight three seven three seven eight eight eight.
Speaker 4: We'd love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 5: And as we know too, I mean, oftentimes folks who
Speaker 5: are are being human traffic may not even know that's
Speaker 5: what's happening. They may have been Stockholm syndromed into a
Speaker 5: sense of security or into a sense of safety by design,
Speaker 5: you know. So it's it's not always clear, and there's
Speaker 5: a lot of emotional and psychological abuse that has part
Speaker 5: and parcel with all of this kind of stuff too.
Speaker 5: So very grateful to first responders and folks working in
Speaker 5: like ers for example, who maybe even clock that stuff
Speaker 5: like this is going on and try to reach out
Speaker 5: to get information from folks who might not otherwise ask
Speaker 5: for help. I'm just it's there's yeah, there's a lot,
Speaker 5: a lot of.
Speaker 4: Time pack so please please do avail yourself of those
Speaker 4: resources and reach out again. We cannot emphasize that enough.
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