Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we never throw the ball
Speaker 1: on third down near the goal line.
Speaker 2: Oh, Greg, Greg, I'm here in the.
Speaker 1: Chris Westleying podcast studio and so happy to be joined
Speaker 1: today by Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic and Colleen Wolf.
Speaker 3: You had to just start that way.
Speaker 4: I'm in the power chair, by the way, and it
Speaker 4: feels great.
Speaker 3: I feel alive right now.
Speaker 5: So how are you doing.
Speaker 4: You know, hanging in, hanging on by a thread?
Speaker 3: What the heck? Everything?
Speaker 2: That game?
Speaker 3: That game was such a roller coaster, all of the
Speaker 3: lead changes.
Speaker 4: And then at the end, I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: this day has been extremely annoying. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: things that happened and I just didn't feel like dealing with.
Speaker 4: And then it seemed like, okay, now I'm home. I
Speaker 4: took my makeup off, I have dinner in front of me.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting on the couch.
Speaker 4: The Eagles they just took the lead again, and it
Speaker 4: seems like everything now is just.
Speaker 2: A long drives push. We were back.
Speaker 3: Loved it.
Speaker 4: Jason Kelsey's in the booth for like all of the
Speaker 4: tush pushes.
Speaker 3: Everything's lovely. He was in.
Speaker 4: Nick Foles is getting honored at halftime. I mean, this
Speaker 4: was a night for Eagles fans. It should have been.
Speaker 4: It felt that way. Everything was trending in that direction.
Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley, you know, he looked like really great, just
Speaker 4: like he did in the debut. And then yeah, I
Speaker 4: feel like it all turned around when Saquon had the
Speaker 4: touchdown that then wasn't the touchdown and was ruled at
Speaker 4: the half yard line, and then just things sort of started.
Speaker 2: To fall scarred.
Speaker 3: But it just wasn't It wasn't right. Things were off.
Speaker 5: Does it make you feel better or worse to know
Speaker 5: that with one minute and fifty six seconds left the
Speaker 5: uh the Falcons had a zero point so percentage percentage.
Speaker 5: I didn't have a chance. I saw that game all
Speaker 5: that according to next Gen statses just wondering, you know,
Speaker 5: is it better to rip it all out now or
Speaker 5: like just dwell, Like I'm just trying to feel you
Speaker 5: out here on this.
Speaker 4: I was so annoyed after that game, Like I didn't
Speaker 4: even know what to do with myself. I was just
Speaker 4: walking around my place talking, talking to myself, and I
Speaker 4: was like I and then I went outside because like
Speaker 4: the wind was banging something against the house. And I'm
Speaker 4: like tripping over things in the dark, so annoyed about
Speaker 4: the each yells at the wind.
Speaker 3: I was yelling at the wind.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: And you know, if if you listen to our our
Speaker 1: Monday night football recap with me and Nick Schuk, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a sad image. And yet when I think that's
Speaker 1: probably gonna repeated more and more as you.
Speaker 4: Get you know what though, I mean, you just gave
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins too much time, too much. They marched right,
Speaker 4: It took like two seconds. Two seconds that Vic Fangio defense.
Speaker 4: I'm so annoyed.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, if you're listening, might be like,
Speaker 1: you guys already hit the Monday night football game. Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I like this, yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: we were doing therapy last week. This feels like a
Speaker 1: little extension of that therapy. But the more I thought
Speaker 1: about it, I was like, I feel like the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four season started on Monday night. I was pretty
Speaker 1: disappointed in that game too. I had the Eagles winning.
Speaker 1: I like, I kind of am a closet Eagles guy,
Speaker 1: Like I like that team, And it was just a
Speaker 1: moment where it was like, oh, yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: the NFL season is kind of about. And actually, then
Speaker 1: I thought back to it. The first two weeks didn't
Speaker 1: quite have those moments, those games like this is the
Speaker 1: game we're going to remember all season. And then I
Speaker 1: just thought about the poetry of it all, and how
Speaker 1: like the NFL has I hate this poem.
Speaker 2: A long life, I do too.
Speaker 1: But Nick Foles is there in the building, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: Nick Foles night. Meanwhile, Matt Ryan is on the Manning
Speaker 1: cast as it's happening, the old Falcons quarterback and saying, oh,
Speaker 1: when you're in a two minute drill, that's actually the
Speaker 1: easiest time for a new quarterback to because it's the
Speaker 1: simpler plays. That was a great point, Matt Ryan. And
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking back to when I was in the
Speaker 1: link last not last, but it's about you, it.
Speaker 2: Is about me.
Speaker 1: And that was Matt Ryan versus Nick Foles. And at
Speaker 1: the very end of the game, they're inside the ten
Speaker 1: yard line and Matt Ryan has Julio Jones why not
Speaker 1: I know exactly, and first down for a touchdown that
Speaker 1: would have ended Nick Foles and his Super Bowl run
Speaker 1: before it even happened. A couple of plays later, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't get it on fourth down either, and it's
Speaker 1: like Eagles Falcons either.
Speaker 2: It just it all was happening.
Speaker 4: I know you're right, everything would be so different. And
Speaker 4: I was thinking about Saquan in after playing so many
Speaker 4: years as a Giant against the Eagles in that building,
Speaker 4: and now this was his first night in prime time
Speaker 4: in an Eagles uniform, playing in front of like his
Speaker 4: new fan base, and he goes from almost scoring that
Speaker 4: touchdown he would have had a touchdown and would have
Speaker 4: been able to ice the game at the end, to
Speaker 4: having an absolutely horrific drop that then ended up costing
Speaker 4: the Eagles. And many other things played into that, but
Speaker 4: it was just such a turn of events, specifically for
Speaker 4: Saquon too.
Speaker 5: On the on the Falcon side too, the going into
Speaker 5: a two minute like that was the best thing that
Speaker 5: probably could have happened for Kirk Cousins, not just because
Speaker 5: of what you and Matt Ryan said about you're just
Speaker 5: not thinking, you're just yourself and unequal standing there in
Speaker 5: this conversation, but it also you could tell the way
Speaker 5: that he was dropping back, the way that he was executing,
Speaker 5: the way that he was getting down the field, he
Speaker 5: wasn't thinking about his leg every other throw he made
Speaker 5: in that game. He was very clearly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were pretty doubt on Kirk.
Speaker 1: You were like, let's you know, just reading between the
Speaker 1: lines that it was maybe not as encouraging a performance
Speaker 1: as people were trying to know.
Speaker 5: And but you know what, he looked great on that dray,
Speaker 5: that dry and again because he was he was playing
Speaker 5: instinctually and free. He wasn't thinking overthinking about his leg
Speaker 5: every time he dropped back, every time he hands off.
Speaker 5: Finally play action. Yeah, you know, all of those things
Speaker 5: that we didn't see in week one, but you could
Speaker 5: still tell he was moving and thinking and overthinking that
Speaker 5: entire game. And then forty seconds.
Speaker 4: Left the vibes vies are and then and then and
Speaker 4: then at the end, like after the game, you have
Speaker 4: Nick Sirianni talking about, oh, well, like you know on
Speaker 4: that call, there's a mechanism where if Jalen doesn't have
Speaker 4: what he wants, he just like takes the sack and
Speaker 4: falls down.
Speaker 3: Are you throwing Jalen under the bus?
Speaker 1: He's not. People I saw some of it, like why
Speaker 1: are you even saying that? Because it's obvious And the
Speaker 1: question was asked to him and they even said that
Speaker 1: on the broadcast, like of course he says if if,
Speaker 1: if it's not there, just slide all right, well we'll
Speaker 1: move on for your sake for years.
Speaker 3: This is set a great tone.
Speaker 5: You know she's Judge later, right, So that is why
Speaker 5: it look really nice today.
Speaker 2: Is in the power chair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, we appreciate it all
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Speaker 1: so we wanted to put her in the powerchair for later.
Speaker 1: But first we're going to do just a little bit
Speaker 1: of news.
Speaker 2: Found out on.
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon just before we tape that Tua Tongue of
Speaker 1: Iloa is indeed going to injured reserve are Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: had that first. That means that Tua is not eligible
Speaker 1: to return to the field until week eight at the earliest.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins are prioritizing his health, according to Ian, and
Speaker 1: there is no timeline being placed on his potential return,
Speaker 1: but the earliest possible return would be week eight and
Speaker 1: that's four games. And that's Skyler Thompson trying to keep
Speaker 1: this season aflow.
Speaker 5: Look at the language on this even even in the
Speaker 5: leak of it or even in what will officially become
Speaker 5: the announcement from the team, because sometimes you can place
Speaker 5: a player, like with an ankle injury, for example, on
Speaker 5: injured reserve and immediately have the like little forward slash
Speaker 5: designated to return also assigned to them. It's not officially
Speaker 5: designating to them to return. It sort of puts it
Speaker 5: in the ether. It sort of puts it in the
Speaker 5: air that like, hey, this isn't season ending with this.
Speaker 5: You could tell the language is just a lot more careful.
Speaker 5: The language of it itself is saying, Okay, he's going
Speaker 5: on injured reserve, and this in a way protects him
Speaker 5: maybe from himself a little bit, because there were also
Speaker 5: leaks and reports about how he's not planning on walking away,
Speaker 5: and Mike McDaniel's been very emphatic about how, hey, he
Speaker 5: needs to make his decision, take the time with the doctors.
Speaker 5: But when you are designated to injured reserve, there's nothing
Speaker 5: you can do about it. You got to get better,
Speaker 5: you got to rest, you got to get better, you
Speaker 5: got to figure some stuff out. And then not immediately
Speaker 5: placing that sort of language run but then you know
Speaker 5: that also sort of sends a very subtle signal that like, hey,
Speaker 5: give it time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what I thought when I saw this,
Speaker 4: that Okay, they're obviously protecting Tua, but it's almost like
Speaker 4: when you're in an argument with someone and you give
Speaker 4: yourself let's just like cool down, let's not make any
Speaker 4: important decisions right now, or rash decisions right now. Let's
Speaker 4: all just like take a time out and come back
Speaker 4: to this. And this is just a prolonged time out
Speaker 4: for Tua at this point, and who knows what he's
Speaker 4: going to decide, But I just have to think being
Speaker 4: such a competitive player, I don't know if he's going
Speaker 4: to retire, and that is something that he's going to
Speaker 4: have to figure out with his family and his teammates
Speaker 4: and everything else. But I'm glad that they're doing this
Speaker 4: and putting him on IR so he can't make any decisions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a little different situation than the last time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he had this concussion. He was in the
Speaker 1: locker room on Monday. He was in the locker room
Speaker 1: last week. They said he was in good spirits. He's
Speaker 1: talking to his teammates. Not all concussions are equal, Not
Speaker 1: all concussion histories are equal, and so it's up to Tua,
Speaker 1: but it's more up to the doctors, and they, you know,
Speaker 1: did do further evaluations and after those further evaluations telling
Speaker 1: that they put him on injured reserve. But you know,
Speaker 1: some people like Derek Carr had two concussions in pretty
Speaker 1: quick succession last year. I feel like, no like and
Speaker 1: that happens and then even just returned to the field.
Speaker 1: So not every situation is the same, but we've obviously
Speaker 1: followed the to a situation very closely. In his you
Speaker 1: can even just see on the field, it's a very
Speaker 1: serious situation. And you do wonder if the situation for
Speaker 1: their team is a factor on whether he returns to
Speaker 1: the field or not. You would hope not that. Ultimately
Speaker 1: it's going to be about health first and foremost. They're
Speaker 1: at Seattle this week, Tennessee, at the Patriots, then a bye,
Speaker 1: and then at the Colts, so they will have Skyler
Speaker 1: Thompson try to, you know, pilot a team that to
Speaker 1: me had some real concerns over the first two weeks,
Speaker 1: even if to a tongue of Iiloa was healthy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the offensive line is in dire straits. The receivers
Speaker 5: don't look fully healthy. It's just, you know, there's already
Speaker 5: concerns with this team, and particularly the main concern and
Speaker 5: the major thing is that Tua figures out what the
Speaker 5: steps will be for him to be okay.
Speaker 4: What if Ryan Tannehill still out there, yeah, free agent?
Speaker 4: What if Ryan Tannehill completes the circle goes back to Miami.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they're interested. And maybe he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like a great fit for what you know, Mike
Speaker 1: McDaniel does No, I don't know. I mean, I that
Speaker 1: would be up to Mike McDaniel. I could imagine it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was pretty good in play action and
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 5: I think Danna Hill would be a fit.
Speaker 1: But he's also not Ryan Tannehill that you remember his
Speaker 1: last handful of games for the Titans, and I was
Speaker 1: a big Ryan Tannehill guy overall, Like he was not
Speaker 1: the same guy they signed Tyler Huntley, who's going to
Speaker 1: back up Skylar Thompson. I don't know if the difference
Speaker 1: between Tyler Huntley, Skylar Thompson and Ryan tannel was big
Speaker 1: enough in Miami's mind to bother because he would cost
Speaker 1: a lot of it.
Speaker 5: There's also like the matter of like what does Ryan
Speaker 5: what would Ryan Tannehill want? He was sort of public
Speaker 5: earlier this year about it being if he was going
Speaker 5: to go somewhere, it would have to be the right deal.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, if you're not desperate enough to offer
Speaker 5: him a bump, a little bump in that money, then
Speaker 5: I mean his speculation obviously, but it's also two people
Speaker 5: get to decide on that it's.
Speaker 2: A good position to be in.
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill only come for like the absolute right situation.
Speaker 1: I guess Tom Brady is not returning. That was the
Speaker 1: one I was more interesting, Greg, how do hope I
Speaker 1: uh would be spicy? Bryce Young? We talked about it
Speaker 1: on Monday Night's show, but Jordan, I, you know I
Speaker 1: thought you had. Yeah, we text points about about the
Speaker 1: whole Bryce Young fiasco. I'm ready to call it a
Speaker 1: fiasco because I have my doubts that he's going to
Speaker 1: play again for the Panthers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think two things will happen now. One is really
Speaker 5: irritating and the other is super intriguing. I think the
Speaker 5: irritating thing is you'll start to particularly this weekend when
Speaker 5: Andy Dalton returns as a starter and then through the
Speaker 5: week and even frankly up to the trade deadline. Most
Speaker 5: likely you'll start to have these reports leak out. It'll,
Speaker 5: you know, oftentimes it'll be like the coach is talking
Speaker 5: to some one or the assistant or the GM or
Speaker 5: someone in the building is talking to someone about how
Speaker 5: it was the best situation for quote unquote the locker room.
Speaker 5: How it certainly is very obvious that Bryce Young was
Speaker 5: not giving them a better chance of winning than they
Speaker 5: had already. He was not playing well, so let's hold
Speaker 5: that as a truth. But he's playing worse than twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three. But also, the same head coach who is
Speaker 5: making this decision two games in took this job with
Speaker 5: all that tape that was available in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 5: in twenty excuse me, in twenty twenty three, and took
Speaker 5: this job knowing that his number one task was to
Speaker 5: be a to either get a fair assessment of Bryce
Speaker 5: Young in live action football and b to fix him.
Speaker 5: There was like a huge fanfare. I have not seen it.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen any development in Bryce Young and like
Speaker 5: he in fact, he looks like he's regressed a little bit.
Speaker 5: And I think that, you know, I think there's less
Speaker 5: even less help in that offense. But that doesn't excuse
Speaker 5: Bryce Young for for any of the poor play. But
Speaker 5: it's like, you took the job with the premise of
Speaker 5: fixing the quarterback, and you can back right out of
Speaker 5: that situation. So can the owner in the GM who
Speaker 5: made the decision, enabled the decision in the case of
Speaker 5: Dan Morgan, who wasn't the GM at the time. And
Speaker 5: like you've you've ripped through multiple coaching staffs, like trying
Speaker 5: to figure this thing out, ripped through multiple pro scouting
Speaker 5: department personnel, ripped through and like at a certain point,
Speaker 5: you know you're basically able to just pull the old
Speaker 5: switcheraroo two games in and and maybe it's for the
Speaker 5: best of for Bryce's confidence, maybe there's a lot of
Speaker 5: other reasons involved. But there you're gonna start seeing this
Speaker 5: irritating thing where it's like the coach who took the
Speaker 5: job to fix the player is suddenly completely removed from
Speaker 5: the situation in which the player was failed to be fixed,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense. And that's that's the irritating thing,
Speaker 5: and it's the intriguing thing in a minute, but I
Speaker 5: want to hear you guys think.
Speaker 3: Of it well, no, it's just that was why. That's
Speaker 3: why they brought him in.
Speaker 4: He had this track record with Baker Mayfield and Gino
Speaker 4: Smith before that, and I guess in all of this,
Speaker 4: the one thing I've learned is that the Panthers are
Speaker 4: an organization that has patients. I mean, are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: Two weeks in this is what you do? I understand
Speaker 4: this is a bad situation for Bryce Young. He looks
Speaker 4: like he has lost all of his confidence, and honestly,
Speaker 4: who wouldn't at this point. But they made all of
Speaker 4: these quote unquote additions and put in all of these
Speaker 4: resources in the off season to help out Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: Traded for Deontay Johnson, drafted Xavier Lguette, they tried to
Speaker 4: improve the interior of that offensive line. Nothing has helped
Speaker 4: bring in Dave Canalis all of it, and it just
Speaker 4: feels so reactionary to do this eighteen starts into his career,
Speaker 4: but also two starts into the season.
Speaker 1: I think it was two things can be true. I
Speaker 1: think it was the right decision. Yeah, I agree right now,
Speaker 1: and that they deserve a good chunk of the blame
Speaker 1: too for not being able to deliver on what Dave
Speaker 1: Canalis promised essentially when he took the job, and not
Speaker 1: you know, building the right structure around him. Ollie Connelly
Speaker 1: who's been on this show a couple of times and
Speaker 1: does a great job. You should check out his read
Speaker 1: optional substack. And I'm going to take his point here,
Speaker 1: which before the season started he thought this offense made
Speaker 1: no sense for Bryce Young because it's like a Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson Gino Smith, like you know, County on a guy
Speaker 1: to be able to throw the ball deep, and that
Speaker 1: you know, just wasn't going to be his strength. I
Speaker 1: don't know what his strengths were, but it would be
Speaker 1: a sort of a point guard type of offense where
Speaker 1: the ball's coming out quick and you know you're you're
Speaker 1: an empty and all this stuff, and maybe that would
Speaker 1: have its problems as well, but that he just didn't
Speaker 1: seem like a fit and they were trying to fit
Speaker 1: him into an offense where they need a guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, literally doesn't happen trying to force a square peg
Speaker 5: into a round hole. You can't come in fans a
Speaker 5: blaring whatever, like sirens going off, like celebrating. You know
Speaker 5: that you're going to come in and fix somebody. If
Speaker 5: you're fitting it. Like I agree with Allie's point on that,
Speaker 5: And it's a great, great sub stack. I read it
Speaker 5: all the time, I'm a subscriber, but like it. It's
Speaker 5: as if you're fitting a square peg into a round
Speaker 5: hole and not figuring out how to reshape the peg
Speaker 5: or the hole that at the foundation point, Like that's
Speaker 5: the problem if and and I think it's the height
Speaker 5: of hubris. Also if you're going to come in and
Speaker 5: be a first time head coach and not know that
Speaker 5: you actually won't get any time to develop the quarterback.
Speaker 5: Those guys have no time to do anything. They have
Speaker 5: no time to actually sit and coach from the ground up.
Speaker 5: That there are so many other things you have to
Speaker 5: do as the head coach of a football team. You
Speaker 5: are running the organization less so the time that you're
Speaker 5: taking throughout every piece of the week to game plan
Speaker 5: and to strategize, and to do media and to sit
Speaker 5: in production meetings and to run meeting other meetings and
Speaker 5: to you're not I'm saying for any coach, not just
Speaker 5: this one, for any coach, they need to know this
Speaker 5: when they're going into it, exactly how little time you're
Speaker 5: going to get to spend with that quarterback if you
Speaker 5: think you are going to quote unquote fix or develop someone.
Speaker 5: I think the intriguing thing about all of this, I
Speaker 5: do applaud if they think that this is not a
Speaker 5: situation that can continue. I do applaud the fact that
Speaker 5: they're just making a quick decision and going to try
Speaker 5: to move on, especially before the trade deadline. I feel
Speaker 5: like making this decision now. The intriguing thing about this,
Speaker 5: for my second point, is that this sends a signal
Speaker 5: to other teams. Other teams, by the way, in a
Speaker 5: league that is filled with people who think I can
Speaker 5: fix him like we did an entire segment on a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago, and people who eyeball the cheap contract.
Speaker 5: And I wouldn't be surprised if benching him is in
Speaker 5: part a signal that he is open and available for trade.
Speaker 5: The other part is benching him is because he was
Speaker 5: playing terribly and the offense was not a fit for him,
Speaker 5: and his confidence was shot. And if you do move him,
Speaker 5: I do applaud you know, the owner in the GM
Speaker 5: for that, because if when you mess up so obviously
Speaker 5: and again, you run through all of those staffers just
Speaker 5: to fix this one decision that the organization made. You
Speaker 5: have to move quickly, and you have to move without
Speaker 5: regret and without looking back, and you have to immediately
Speaker 5: set a new course in a new path. And that
Speaker 5: might be what's happening here.
Speaker 3: This is going to go down as one of the
Speaker 3: worst trades in NFL.
Speaker 4: H Yeah, the fact that they still have a second
Speaker 4: round pick that they're sending to Chicago in this year's draft.
Speaker 1: They're still Here's the thing, Like most almost every team
Speaker 1: was going to take him. So I put this trade
Speaker 1: in a slightly different bucket than let's say that the
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson trade or the Russell Wilson trade. Those to
Speaker 1: me are truly disastrous trades because we you kind of
Speaker 1: knew what you were getting. Most teams have traded this
Speaker 1: amount of player now that DJ Moore throwing it in
Speaker 1: was a little crazy, But the evaluation was the problem.
Speaker 1: And I also think multiple things can true be true.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of the draft knick types getting
Speaker 1: really mad about how.
Speaker 2: The Panthers have blown this at every turn.
Speaker 1: That is true, But I think it's also very possible
Speaker 1: to likely that everyone's evaluation of Bryce Young was pretty off,
Speaker 1: that he should not have been the number one overall pick,
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have a lot of special skills, and
Speaker 1: that what you saw on him was wrong ultimately, and
Speaker 1: there will be enough people out there that still believe
Speaker 1: in their evaluation to make a trade possible.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I looked, and I thought, who's been as bad, you know,
Speaker 1: on their first contract as a rookie and then got
Speaker 1: traded similar to this, Josh Rosen is really the only
Speaker 1: one statistically that's even in the same ballpark. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: actually gave up a late second for Josh Rosen. I
Speaker 1: forgot that, Yeah, that it was that good of a pick.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could get that for Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: I think he's like a mid round pick, which is crazy,
Speaker 1: like a fourth that could turn into a third. You're
Speaker 1: not going to get much for Bryce young age.
Speaker 5: But you have to try. And that's again why this
Speaker 5: is so public right now and happening right now. You
Speaker 5: have to try because also if you are truly saying
Speaker 5: and there's also some chatter sort of circulating about this
Speaker 5: over there as well, if this is what's best for
Speaker 5: Bryce as well as what's best for your football team,
Speaker 5: and it is the position for the football team, let's
Speaker 5: be clear on that. But you also can't say that
Speaker 5: and then have him sitting around as the backup or
Speaker 5: in your locker room like as a reminder, and then
Speaker 5: also continue to kill his confidence by showing up to
Speaker 5: this place every single day like you have to move him.
Speaker 4: I feel like you're gonna have to help Panthers fans
Speaker 4: again like you did a couple of episodes.
Speaker 5: I want better for them. They deserve better.
Speaker 3: Settle in. It's gonna be a long ride.
Speaker 5: I want them to have joy. I want them to
Speaker 5: have joy.
Speaker 1: At least they have their first round pick this year,
Speaker 1: and it might be a high one. Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and when we return, it is the return.
Speaker 3: Of Judge conn coming back.
Speaker 6: Everyone is talking about the honorable Colleen Wool, the go
Speaker 6: to voice for everything football, real cases, real solution.
Speaker 2: She's Judge Connie.
Speaker 4: All right, everybody, welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the courtroom.
Speaker 3: Bailiff. I believe you have some things to say here.
Speaker 2: Please rise, Okay.
Speaker 3: Yep, we're gonna We're gonna do it. We're going through.
Speaker 5: Is the height of Hubris, Well not you, You're not
Speaker 5: the height of Hubrit.
Speaker 6: It's all right, Order order the Court of the Third
Speaker 6: Judicial Circuit Civil Division is now in session. The Honorable
Speaker 6: Judge Connie presiding.
Speaker 3: All right, everyone, but the jury may be seated.
Speaker 4: As it turns out, I am judge and jury here,
Speaker 4: So mister Roberts, please swear in the jury.
Speaker 6: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear or
Speaker 6: affirm that you will truly listen to this case and
Speaker 6: render a true verdict and a fair sentence as to
Speaker 6: this defendant?
Speaker 2: I do. You may be seated.
Speaker 4: All right, here we go. Thank you guys for coming
Speaker 4: in here. I'd like to wrap things up by four o'clock.
Speaker 4: I got a detective I gotta meet.
Speaker 3: So listen.
Speaker 2: A lot of traffic out there on prairies.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, poor lanes down to one. Don't even
Speaker 4: get me started. They have no one directing traffic out there.
Speaker 5: Objection baiting the judge and jury.
Speaker 3: All right, sustained.
Speaker 4: So I see today's case is the passing game versus
Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 3: Is the prosecution ready?
Speaker 2: I am all right?
Speaker 3: Is the defense ready? Sure? All right? Let's be good.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: I want to take you back to twenty twenty, a
Speaker 1: magical time justin Herbert's rookie year. I mean there were
Speaker 1: some issues with twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, not a magical year, mister Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: I want to point out in that twenty twenty season,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert had the most yards passing per game per
Speaker 1: start in NFL history. I want to point out that
Speaker 1: he had the most passing touchdowns for a rookie in
Speaker 1: NFL history, more than Andrew Luck, more than Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: more than Peyton Manning. There was a guy back then
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed watching that I think all of America
Speaker 1: enjoyed watching that threw the ball with a little daring
Speaker 1: do There was that like sixty five yard passed from
Speaker 1: the Bucks against the Bucks while he's getting absolutely crushed
Speaker 1: in air to Jalen Geiton down for a touchdown. There
Speaker 1: were all these bombs to Mike Williams like he was
Speaker 1: the man. Now I want to take you to today.
Speaker 1: The Chargers have attempted forty six forward passes in the season.
Speaker 1: They have run the ball seventy one times. Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: came in talking about balance, balance bout, like where is
Speaker 1: the balance? It's all running And then I can here
Speaker 1: the defense talking now, yes, but they're efficient, and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Harbaugh loves to slap his shoulder pads. No, they're not efficient.
Speaker 1: He's throwing the ball worse than he's ever thrown the ball.
Speaker 1: Six yards per attempt, twentieth in the NFL, in EPA,
Speaker 1: twentieth in success rate. There isn't a stat you can
Speaker 1: find of Justin Herbert throwing the ball that is positive.
Speaker 1: They have turned him into Justin Fields throwing the ball,
Speaker 1: but without all the rushing fun. Let's go back to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty because we're here in the Chris Westling podcast courtroom.
Speaker 1: That season, I had the fortune of driving our friend
Speaker 1: Chris back from Chemo to his house every week. Chris
Speaker 1: was still writing QB Index at the time. A lot
Speaker 1: of those conversations were about football, and Justin Herbert was
Speaker 1: a man as a rookie that was making us feel
Speaker 1: something we would talk about Justin Herbert saying like, this
Speaker 1: is the quarterback since we've been doing this job that
Speaker 1: moved us the most. So you can talk about your
Speaker 1: wins and your losses, but he connected with us on
Speaker 1: a spiritual football entertainment level, and this is an entertain product.
Speaker 2: Now they've made him boring. I want that old Justin
Speaker 2: back and Jim Harbaugh is not giving it.
Speaker 4: Okay, are there any with the with the defense like
Speaker 4: to speak now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, aside from the clear emotional manipulation of the previous argument,
Speaker 5: because Soup can picture it right, incredibly moved by that
Speaker 5: it's being weaponized in this case against this argument twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: I recall also the time that the Chargers went seven
Speaker 5: and nine. You know this this arguer lawyer, I don't
Speaker 5: know the right word, but this person arguing things right
Speaker 5: now absolutely loves watching Justin Herbert throw the football. But
Speaker 5: it sounds like the argument on the other side is
Speaker 5: being made despite the disguise of true feelings and empathy
Speaker 5: in actuality for the sake of his perhaps fantasy football
Speaker 5: team or one of his few. Because he doesn't interrupting,
Speaker 5: interrupting some sort of penalty on that, you know, because
Speaker 5: regardless of he's thinking about it from that perspective. Less
Speaker 5: so a game strategy perspective, you want balance. Let's talk
Speaker 5: about pin and pull and counter and duo and the
Speaker 5: gorgeous aerial footage of these tight ends who can block
Speaker 5: so effectively. They are restoring balance to this offense of
Speaker 5: line that will need to protect Justin Herbert. Should they
Speaker 5: actually play like a real football team and need to
Speaker 5: come out of a deficit and throw the football. This
Speaker 5: offensive line, these blockers, this run game will protect the
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert who recently was missing practice due to plantar fasciis.
Speaker 5: Daniel Popper of the Athletics said he told reporters that
Speaker 5: he would be managing this all season. So I ask
Speaker 5: you this, why don't you want to protect Justin Herbert?
Speaker 5: Instead of thinking about the flash of the ball sailing
Speaker 5: through the air, look at the aerial shots of this
Speaker 5: run game. Look at the beauty of the old school.
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh sold this whole idea a great offensive line argument.
Speaker 5: He's already closed.
Speaker 3: I've already I've reached a decision, all right.
Speaker 4: The court does not need to hear anything further on this.
Speaker 4: After not a lot of deliberating at all, I think
Speaker 4: here that the passing game versus Jim Harball. Harball is
Speaker 4: not guilty, fortunately, of making Justin Herbert boring because they
Speaker 4: are a two and oh team and they are fun
Speaker 4: to watch, and just because Justin Herbert isn't exciting, Jim
Speaker 4: Harball comes in.
Speaker 3: He's exciting. He fills that gap for me, so look.
Speaker 1: Hon rightame chection, there is no way your honor as watched.
Speaker 3: Are you questioning the court.
Speaker 2: I'm exciting.
Speaker 3: I find you in conject of the court.
Speaker 5: They make me feel alive.
Speaker 1: The thirtieth in past block win rate, Jim Harbough was
Speaker 1: selling this whole idea that the offensive line is going
Speaker 1: to be affected.
Speaker 5: Number is skewed a little bit because of the low
Speaker 5: sample size, maybe.
Speaker 1: Maybe thirty first in run block winter. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: I has their offensive line even played that well, I
Speaker 1: just want to see an effect, Like, give me at
Speaker 1: least an effect of Herbert.
Speaker 3: He hasn't even dridden thirty passing yards.
Speaker 4: That was the second lowest in any game ever that
Speaker 4: Herbert has played. It's a different justin Herbert. It's a
Speaker 4: different year, and there's been a league wide shift in
Speaker 4: going towards the running game. So it's not just the
Speaker 4: Chargers that are doing this, and.
Speaker 1: It's and you're gonna have to throw the ball at
Speaker 1: some point for them to be the team that they
Speaker 1: want to be. But yeah, you mentioned two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy four yards combined passing.
Speaker 2: He averaged more than that per game.
Speaker 5: And I'm just saying, I just remember a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago when people were like frothing at the mouth
Speaker 5: to get Joe Lombardi and Kellen Moore up out of there,
Speaker 5: and like this is this is a different kind of football.
Speaker 5: Beauty looks different. That's fair, every Jody, We are all
Speaker 5: in football God's creatures, and all of our run schemes,
Speaker 5: in passing schemes are yeah, full and flowers don't compete
Speaker 5: with each other.
Speaker 1: I just need or Sane Sneiken was his offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: back then. Anthony Lynn his coach, and yeah, he was
Speaker 1: really thinking about those rides with Wes as I'm watching
Speaker 1: this Panthers Chargers game on condensed, mostly for it is
Speaker 1: really nice and and the coaches stuff, and because I
Speaker 1: was watching because of Bryce Young, and then I'm watching
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, what happened to that guy?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Because we all thought, we meaning me and Wes, that
Speaker 1: like this is going to be the next great quarterback.
Speaker 1: And he's been very good. He's been unquestionably a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback, maybe top seven or eight, and we've blamed
Speaker 1: a lot of what's going on around him, and I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get there with Jim Harbaugh, at some
Speaker 1: point they're.
Speaker 5: Gonna have to throw the ball, and he will. I
Speaker 5: know this offense is built to have his back when
Speaker 5: he does have to start throwing the ball. That's the
Speaker 5: that's the foundation they're laying right now. It's not that
Speaker 5: they're never going to run the ball until he disappointed.
Speaker 2: Can I be disappointed?
Speaker 3: Can be disappointed?
Speaker 1: But legally, if I if I was telling Wes this
Speaker 1: is how the next five years of Herbert's going to go,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be like, oh, I well.
Speaker 5: I think we all are like, man, just throw the
Speaker 5: ball a hundred times a game if you're justin Herbert.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, that's not what's happening here.
Speaker 4: Working the way that they're doing it right now now
Speaker 4: and now they they play the Steelers this week, which
Speaker 4: you know, final score prediction nine to seven.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. Who wins?
Speaker 5: That's beautiful in its own way.
Speaker 3: Not Greg, he doesn't win. Okay, Uh, miss rod Reeg.
Speaker 4: I believe that you are up next uh in your
Speaker 4: case for uh why don't you tell the court?
Speaker 3: Why don't you enlighten the court.
Speaker 5: The case sport which oh and two football team is
Speaker 5: going to turn things around a case by the way
Speaker 5: in which the judge herself and the jury herself, uh huh,
Speaker 5: has made a significant preseason investment in a certain O
Speaker 5: and two team that we must decide now. So here
Speaker 5: are the list.
Speaker 4: Of This is very difficult for the judge to internalize.
Speaker 2: The court.
Speaker 5: Yes, so here here are the list of oh and
Speaker 5: two teams. Okay, So the Ravens, the Panthers, the Bengals,
Speaker 5: the Broncos, the Colts pause for effect, the Jaguars, the Rams,
Speaker 5: the Giants, the Titans. I argue that of any of
Speaker 5: these zero to two teams, and because I'm doing this
Speaker 5: a little for the show as well, that the Bengals
Speaker 5: will be the team to turn this round. But I
Speaker 5: authorize the judge and the jury in this case if
Speaker 5: she so chooses to stick to her guns from the
Speaker 5: preseason prediction that the Indianapolis Colts would be a super
Speaker 5: superstar team this year, I authorize the judge to overrule
Speaker 5: both arguments. My argument is that the Bengals will be
Speaker 5: on the team of this group to turn this around.
Speaker 5: I need to see more data on Joe Burrow, but
Speaker 5: he played well against the Chiefs, as we hoped that
Speaker 5: he would, talked about on this show. But three of
Speaker 5: their next four games are Washington, Carolina and the New
Speaker 5: York Giants. They could at least be three three through
Speaker 5: six games, So I'm going to keep it simple. That's okay,
Speaker 5: simple arm.
Speaker 3: Well, miss Roderigue.
Speaker 4: I would say here that the Bengals are guilty of
Speaker 4: finding success.
Speaker 3: I think that that will happen.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the Court is a little upset that you are
Speaker 4: playing on the emotional heartstrings of the judge and Jerry,
Speaker 4: and I was already annoyed off the top of the
Speaker 4: show because of the evils.
Speaker 5: Greg did that, Okay, Greg did.
Speaker 3: Now you both have crossed me.
Speaker 2: I am wondering, like.
Speaker 4: I am so upset by what I have watched from
Speaker 4: the Colts. I I cannot render any type of decision
Speaker 4: at this point on the Colts because I want to
Speaker 4: believe in them still and I can't. I can't just
Speaker 4: say no, it's them. But what I've seen, the evidence
Speaker 4: that's out there is really pointing to this season not
Speaker 4: being a great one.
Speaker 5: I will say before Greg makes his argument. And I
Speaker 5: did note that he started to interrupt you but then
Speaker 5: pulled back. Yeah, he was trying to, like, you know,
Speaker 5: Curry favor. I think on that one. It's noted by
Speaker 5: the four five seasons, only two teams, the twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three Texans and the twenty twenty two Bengals, have made
Speaker 5: the playoffs after zero and two starts, and so the
Speaker 5: Bengals have been here before. Their schedule is a walk
Speaker 5: through a spring valley over the next few games, and
Speaker 5: I think they can do this again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of the argument for the Bengals coming into
Speaker 1: the season was this fourth place schedule that they were
Speaker 1: going to get with really easy games like starting out
Speaker 1: at home against the Patriots. You gotta be worried about
Speaker 1: just chalking up wins on a you know, chocol.
Speaker 5: I think we all knew because you don't stop talking
Speaker 5: about it that the Patriots were you have a good Ah.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: Even think the prosecutor here understands sort of how this
Speaker 1: segment works, like who is the defendant?
Speaker 2: Who's uh?
Speaker 3: I am judge and jury the case? That's what I know.
Speaker 2: You get to decide to sack the courtroom. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it.
Speaker 1: Would be the raven The Ravens have the twenty audacity
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three MVP. Okay, if you simulated that game.
Speaker 1: They do this football the former Football Outsiders. Now they're
Speaker 1: on FDN where it's like probability to win. If you
Speaker 1: look at what happened in Sunday's game and you simulated it,
Speaker 1: like the Ravens easily outplayed the Raiders for all that game.
Speaker 2: It was a very fluky game.
Speaker 1: These things happen when Gardner Minshew goes to Baltimore for
Speaker 1: some reason, it happened to year ago when he was
Speaker 1: a member of the Colts one of the craziest games
Speaker 1: of that season.
Speaker 2: And more to the point, it's September. These first couple
Speaker 2: of weeks are often wise, and the Ravens are consistently
Speaker 2: an organization that improves, especially defensively, as the season wheres on.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about the data.
Speaker 5: Tells us that since twenty fifteen, seventy four teams have
Speaker 5: started zero to two, and those seventy four eight have
Speaker 5: made the playoffs. The two to do it recently. I
Speaker 5: have previously named so, yeah, it's not that that OHO
Speaker 5: and two starts are actually not fluky. Based on yeah
Speaker 5: it is, I also think, thank you, I also think
Speaker 5: that that's that is fluky because it's counting sixteen game seasons.
Speaker 1: To me, that only that's that is only kind of
Speaker 1: relevant in the last three years.
Speaker 2: So throw it out. It's out of art.
Speaker 5: So the twenty twenty two Bengals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would stay, would wor Yeah, the Bengals always
Speaker 4: start slow. They'll they'll figure it out. They'll get it going.
Speaker 4: I think the Ravens will too.
Speaker 3: The Colts just really not.
Speaker 5: You know. I dangled it as an option because I
Speaker 5: believe in the empowerment that you have as miss Rodrigue.
Speaker 3: I know what you are doing here, all right.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get I wouldn't give up on the Colts.
Speaker 1: The defense is more concerning to me than what's going
Speaker 1: on with Anthony Richardson. And the running game has looked
Speaker 1: pretty good. They've just missed a couple of plays. They
Speaker 1: were right there with the Texans. I think their offense
Speaker 1: is going to be fine. The defense is a little
Speaker 1: all right, we.
Speaker 3: Got to move on to our next case here, Okay.
Speaker 4: On the docket, we have the Super Bowl versus the
Speaker 4: New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: She didn't even make a ruling because the oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so vague. I said that, She said, Jordan,
Speaker 1: that was like Connie.
Speaker 3: Style finding success.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
Speaker 5: I'm two and now I just want to let you know.
Speaker 3: All right, super Bowl versus you're not gonna.
Speaker 1: Win this one, all right, I am gonna make a
Speaker 1: case for the Saints as Super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 2: I barely need to make a case.
Speaker 1: I'll just show you the newspaper if those still exist, Like,
Speaker 1: just show you the facts. The fourth best DVOA through
Speaker 1: two weeks. Ever, that's just total efficiency offense defense. Number
Speaker 1: one in offense by far, almost double the rest of
Speaker 1: the league, number three on defense. If you look at
Speaker 1: the rest of the top tens in terms of the
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season, of like who's been
Speaker 1: the best through two weeks, the average win total for
Speaker 1: those ten teams over the course of a season is thirteen.
Speaker 1: So by average, if you start this well, you end
Speaker 1: up about a thirteen and three thirteen and four season.
Speaker 1: Any team that wins thirteen games is a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: The eye test, it's just there. They're cohesive. You watch
Speaker 1: the running game, They're just moving. It's fantastic. They've got
Speaker 1: leaders on the defense with the Mario Davis Honey Badger.
Speaker 1: A Lante Taylor is playing, oh yeah, out of his mind.
Speaker 1: And then there's something they call in New Orleans, you know,
Speaker 1: creole culture, land yap.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just just like a little extra.
Speaker 3: Mister Rosenthal, can you explain to the court what this is?
Speaker 1: Okay, It's it's like Supreme Justice Potter Stewart said, what
Speaker 1: land yap is rather lan yap is. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: a little extra. It's like a little some a little
Speaker 1: extra something could be like a little extra gift.
Speaker 3: You how is that spelled exactly?
Speaker 2: La n G?
Speaker 1: And I A ppe pretty good. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was right or not, but I tried just a
Speaker 1: little something extra. And this team has that. You can
Speaker 1: just tell by looking at him. They've just got a
Speaker 1: certain energy, a certain sort of juice. It's like, like
Speaker 1: I was saying, Supreme Justice Potter Stewart, Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: your old co workers said about porn. Actually in the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four Supreme Court case Yacabellas versus Ohio.
Speaker 2: You know what, when you see it, and we all
Speaker 2: see it with this.
Speaker 3: Saints team, what a great reference. Okay, So miss Rodrigue.
Speaker 5: Oh actually Greg's arguing against himself.
Speaker 3: Oh wonderful.
Speaker 5: So he'll win.
Speaker 1: One, Okay, I don't know. I'm torn about this Saint's team.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue against the Saints team too.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is so good?
Speaker 2: What is happening here?
Speaker 3: Cook?
Speaker 2: We're an extended preseason.
Speaker 1: Everyone talks about like the preseason matters, like I might
Speaker 1: really gonna fall for this Saint's team.
Speaker 2: That two weeks ago, no one liked this Saint's team.
Speaker 1: They were totally forgot, and the coaches all wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: the fans all wanted the coaches fired. No one was
Speaker 1: happy with Derek Carr. It's Derek Carr. We do have
Speaker 1: like a ten year track record here with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Do we really want to believe in it? Trevor Penning
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about him is like, okay, it's this great
Speaker 1: rejuvenation story pff as and ranked fifty eighth out of
Speaker 1: seventy one qualifiers in terms of his pass protection. At
Speaker 1: some point, they are gonna have to pass protect and
Speaker 1: not just win.
Speaker 2: You scored thirty.
Speaker 3: All over the place.
Speaker 1: I mentioned that Cboa stat earlier that some of the
Speaker 1: teams ahead of them on that list include the twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen Patriots, remember them Tom Brady's last season there They
Speaker 1: started out seven and zero. They totally petered out the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins over the last few years. You remember, like
Speaker 1: how they started a house on fire. You know, these
Speaker 1: teams were interesting, they were kind of fun. They weren't
Speaker 1: real Super Bowl contenders in the again, this is just
Speaker 1: a fun story. Furthermore, the secuter went to Tulane and
Speaker 1: had season tickets to the Saints back in the nineties,
Speaker 1: So he's biased.
Speaker 4: Can the judge and jury object here? And I'd like
Speaker 4: to object to that.
Speaker 5: I'm dying to see who wins. I hope it's okay.
Speaker 4: So, mister Rosenthal, what you're saying is Derek Carr will
Speaker 4: finally get a playoff win in.
Speaker 3: This Yeah, correct, Okay.
Speaker 4: I will say that the court did think coming into
Speaker 4: the season that the Saints seem to be one of
Speaker 4: the most boring teams in the NFL in terms of
Speaker 4: pop and storylines and excitement, and then once the season started,
Speaker 4: it's been the complete opposite. No offense has looked better now.
Speaker 4: Clint Kubiak is being crowned as like the best play caller.
Speaker 4: Derek Carr is being aggressive, he's taking shots down field.
Speaker 4: Their offensive line can cover up some of those liabilities
Speaker 4: in the past. Protection with the ground game that they have,
Speaker 4: and Alvin Kamara has been insane. He's been great. Sure
Speaker 4: the defense is older, but they're wiser. And you mentioned
Speaker 4: so many of these players. Cam Jordan obviously is a
Speaker 4: cornerstone of this defense, but don't.
Speaker 3: Forget about to Mario Davis.
Speaker 4: He seems to be one of the most underrated linebackers
Speaker 4: in the entire league.
Speaker 3: They're stacked with versatile dbs.
Speaker 4: I can't decide how winnable this division is because the
Speaker 4: Bucks and Baker Mayfield they look good again, and then
Speaker 4: what the Falcons did to the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Can't really talk about it. I shudder, I shudder.
Speaker 1: But he's a super Bowl contender though, just the super
Speaker 1: Bowl content super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I hope you win this, Greg contender.
Speaker 4: We judge and jury in the case of the Super
Speaker 4: Bowl versus the New Orleans Saints find the Saints guilty
Speaker 4: of being contenders.
Speaker 2: Yeah you won.
Speaker 5: Here we go Rosenthal v. Rosenthal.
Speaker 2: What a joy?
Speaker 4: What a win for you to watch Greg go at
Speaker 4: Greg's I got to witness that.
Speaker 5: I feel joy.
Speaker 1: This is that team that's like, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with this, Like two weeks, and
Speaker 1: that's why I was like, when I thought about them,
Speaker 1: it's like you could present either side so strongly, but
Speaker 1: they they have been fun.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to make a negative, maybe you could
Speaker 1: say Clint Kobiat first week's Panthers, and then second week
Speaker 1: is Mike Zimmer, a guy he saw operate in Minnesota
Speaker 1: when he was his offensive coordinator for three years in
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 2: Uh, but they passed the eye test.
Speaker 4: I like being so you know how much you love
Speaker 4: the Saints too, Like when the state, when you talk
Speaker 4: about New Orleans, it's just a whole separate thing.
Speaker 5: I just think it's like, it's great to approach this
Speaker 5: the same you would on like Pink Floyd on DVD
Speaker 5: Papa Gummy and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 2: Mmmmmm hm.
Speaker 5: This team is fun, so fun.
Speaker 3: Okay, we have a final case.
Speaker 4: We're getting right up against it, so we're not gonna
Speaker 4: take a whole lot of time on this one. I'm
Speaker 4: just going to throw that out there right now. It
Speaker 4: is the postseason versus the NFC West.
Speaker 3: I believe it was.
Speaker 5: Roderick correct, and I think there's been a shift in
Speaker 5: hierarchy due to the combination of multi week injuries suffered
Speaker 5: by previous favorites Rams and forty nine ers to key players,
Speaker 5: and a increase in productivity and performance and excitingness excitabilityness
Speaker 5: in the Seahawks and the Arizona Cardinals. I am arguing
Speaker 5: today to the judge, the jury and also against Greg
Speaker 5: that the Seahawks and the Cardinals are going to be
Speaker 5: the premier teams in the NBA WHOA down the stretch.
Speaker 5: And I also wonder, Judge Connie, if weeks twelve and fourteen,
Speaker 5: we'll even decide the NFC West Coals to teams play
Speaker 5: each other, and again in consideration of old TI week
Speaker 5: losses to previous favorite star players. Gino Smith is playing
Speaker 5: lights out. He had probably his best game. Greg and
Speaker 5: I were texting about it when I was watching. Greg
Speaker 5: was talk you know, it just was like one of
Speaker 5: those do you like set a match in and just
Speaker 5: like light it off and it just goes right and
Speaker 5: so but he played with and I even text him
Speaker 5: I said, I like to kind of keep an unbiased,
Speaker 5: like middle perspective when I'm looking at quarterbacks. And I
Speaker 5: felt alive watching Giano Smith play this last week. He
Speaker 5: was pressured so fast at nearly constantly on his dropbacks,
Speaker 5: but he showed no rattle, good decision, good decisions, mostly sharp,
Speaker 5: really clean throws. The manipulation and the control he showed
Speaker 5: over the way that they go tempo, the way that
Speaker 5: they move around some of the formations in that offense.
Speaker 5: He's feeding the ball around to multiple receivers. Ninth in
Speaker 5: EPA per play through two weeks, per drop back for
Speaker 5: two weeks, and fifth despite that pressure and success rate
Speaker 5: fifty one point three percent. And then there's Kyler Murray
Speaker 5: and the Cardinals offense, and that, by the way, the
Speaker 5: Seahawks defense will keep growing up. The adjustments Mike McDonald
Speaker 5: made at halftime against New England I thought were really impressive.
Speaker 5: They basically took away the only way they were getting gashed.
Speaker 5: And they said, all right, you're gonna run the ball
Speaker 5: against us. We understand that we're going to take away
Speaker 5: your passing game. And then by moving some different assignments around.
Speaker 5: And then Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't know that the defense will sustain what it
Speaker 5: did against a very depleted RAMS team, but this offense
Speaker 5: is built not just to win right now, but also
Speaker 5: to win in November and December and January and February
Speaker 5: because of all the different ways that they can run
Speaker 5: the probery and the way that Kyler Murray can create
Speaker 5: on the run. I've not seen him play like this
Speaker 5: in person yet, and he is. He is alive in
Speaker 5: Drew Petson's offense. Drew Petson calls a smart game. He
Speaker 5: understands how to attack defenses, and they're moving this heavy
Speaker 5: personnel run game all around the line in terms of
Speaker 5: their attack points on these defenders. Yes, the Rams defensive
Speaker 5: line is terrible and it showed on in this game,
Speaker 5: but they can do this to opponents we've seen. We've
Speaker 5: seen this down the back half of last season and
Speaker 5: they came out swinging. I think that these two teams
Speaker 5: are are taking over as the premier teams in the
Speaker 5: NFC West parts this year alone. And Kyler is third
Speaker 5: in EPA per drop back in the NFL zero point
Speaker 5: four zero and then success percentage. He's also third fifty
Speaker 5: four point seven success rate on passing plays. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just outstanding through two games. I understand, but the
Speaker 5: way that these guys play is sustainable.
Speaker 2: You're honor.
Speaker 1: The prosecutor has a case of having too much dip
Speaker 1: on her chip.
Speaker 2: I mean she said February.
Speaker 5: Well, let me be clear. Let me be clear, February Claire,
Speaker 5: you can they order order my god, maybe clear. So
Speaker 5: we're not misleading here. Running the ball in that fashion
Speaker 5: is what wins you give.
Speaker 1: The only way you can play in February is if
Speaker 1: you were going to make the Super Bowl. And I
Speaker 1: can understand saying that the Seahawks are a real pro
Speaker 1: season threat. I agreed with that before the season even started,
Speaker 1: but to essentially replace the forty nine Ers with the
Speaker 1: Cardinals is a step too far. This defense is very
Speaker 1: shorthanded up front and on the back end, two very
Speaker 1: important parts of your defense. I would say, among the
Speaker 1: least talented defenses in the entire NFL. Totally agree that
Speaker 1: it could be a sneaky playoff contender, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that the forty nine ers are going to fall apart.
Speaker 1: Despite all the injuries for the forty nine ers, may
Speaker 1: I present honor some players still on the field for
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Sure, Brandon Ayuk second team All
Speaker 1: Pro last year. Juwan Jennings sneaky great wide receiver in
Speaker 1: terms of blocking, Trent Williams, the best tackle on the planet.
Speaker 1: All these players would be better than just about anyone
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals except for Kyler Murray. Hey, how about
Speaker 1: the quarterback who led the number one EPA P play
Speaker 1: offense in the NFL last year and delivered series after
Speaker 1: series in the freaking Super Bowl when he needed to
Speaker 1: to try to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: That's brock Perty He's still around.
Speaker 1: George Kittle, Nick Bosa, like Fred Warner, these are all pros,
Speaker 1: after all pros. This team has had injuries before tar
Speaker 1: various words, and they have a great coaching staff, including
Speaker 1: Kyle Sanahan. I hear you on the whole Seahawks. I
Speaker 1: even like so acquiesced the Seahawks. It's not the Cardinals, says.
Speaker 1: He even says the real postseason threats. I would even
Speaker 1: go with Seahawks. Cardinals and forty nine ers are real posts.
Speaker 5: I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: But wording is important in the courtroom, and I think
Speaker 1: it was just a little.
Speaker 2: To lose, especially when that February well came out.
Speaker 5: Okay, the February word that was disinterpreted by my opponent
Speaker 5: here by the way, I'll allow it.
Speaker 3: I will allow it.
Speaker 5: If not they've not dealt with They've dealt with injuries, yeah,
Speaker 5: but they've not dealt with achilles tendonitis for their star player.
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. That's that's a sketchy one.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the Cardinals and the Seahawks they are
Speaker 4: for sure real threats in the division, partially because they
Speaker 4: are healthy right now.
Speaker 3: The Rams have just been obliterated with injuries.
Speaker 4: This is already Sean mcvay's what first time starting zero
Speaker 4: to two, probably oh to three because they're playing the
Speaker 4: Niners this week, but you know, we'll see crazier things
Speaker 4: have happened.
Speaker 3: San Francisco feels a.
Speaker 4: Little bit off, but I would like to attribute that
Speaker 4: to the injuries. Jordan Mason has done an admirable job,
Speaker 4: admirable job.
Speaker 3: Filling in for Christian McCaffrey, but just obviously not the
Speaker 3: same the defense.
Speaker 4: We'll still keep them in games, but maybe maybe they're
Speaker 4: not the threat that we thought they were. But I'm
Speaker 4: just saying as where we stand right now after two weeks.
Speaker 4: The Seahawks, though, that defense looks completely different from last season.
Speaker 4: They are so aggressive, they're flying to the ball. Like
Speaker 4: you said, those halftime adjustments were insane. That defensive line
Speaker 4: is so good when they are healthy. They are absolutely
Speaker 4: stacked with talent. And then Gino Smith he is supremely underrated,
Speaker 4: Greg and I at.
Speaker 2: This point it's not even underrated.
Speaker 4: Well everyone, well, not in this not in this courtroom.
Speaker 4: The Cardinals are absolutely electric with Kyler Murray at this point,
Speaker 4: and I haven't seen him play this well in years
Speaker 4: and years. Watching that game on Sunday, he looked so good.
Speaker 4: The offense was insane. The way it moved so well.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of some of those games where Kyler
Speaker 4: Murray would pull out like a hail Mary at this
Speaker 4: like right at the end, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like it was like how many years ago was
Speaker 3: before against.
Speaker 2: The Bills, who he also got one yes at.
Speaker 4: The defense is a potential week spot though for the Cardinals.
Speaker 3: That's where I start to worry. But they are all.
Speaker 4: Over the place in Week two making plays against the
Speaker 4: Rams when you go back and watch the film, so
Speaker 4: maybe Gannon has them cooking and can elevate the ceiling
Speaker 4: on them. But we the jury and the judge in
Speaker 4: the case of the postseason versus the NFC West, we
Speaker 4: find the Cardinals and Seahawks not guilty of rising to
Speaker 4: the top of the division, and it is because I
Speaker 4: am split with the Cardinals and the Seahawks. I think
Speaker 4: the Seahawks will rise up in the division, but I
Speaker 4: still believe in the Niners, So I think it'll end
Speaker 4: up being somewhere between the Seahawks and the Niners up top,
Speaker 4: and then Cardinals and Rams.
Speaker 5: Can't can't truly argue with the honorable judge and respected jury.
Speaker 3: That is corrected this courtroom.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that the the forty nine ers are always dangerous,
Speaker 5: even when you think they're not right, they are always dangerous.
Speaker 5: I agree with that. I just think they're in a
Speaker 5: bit of uncharted territory with the amount of time that
Speaker 5: some of these players, some of the situation, particularly with stars,
Speaker 5: might be able to just hinder their their season, delay
Speaker 5: their progress a little bit. You know, you catch momentum
Speaker 5: at the right time in this league. That's that's important.
Speaker 5: And by the way, the Cardinals, the Cardinals the way
Speaker 5: that they were, I technically still won this because you
Speaker 5: argued against yourself.
Speaker 3: So it's like it's a fair point.
Speaker 5: So the Cardinals the way that they're they're able to
Speaker 5: run the ball. The multiplicity with the way they're able
Speaker 5: to run the ball, that's gonna just smother people. That's
Speaker 5: that's reminiscent of the Kyle Shanahan suffocation forty nine Ers.
Speaker 5: That's just darkness right there. Like, that's that's gonna take
Speaker 5: this team to the postseason. Regardless of what they're doing.
Speaker 5: It does not matter how sheer defense is, if you
Speaker 5: could play keep away from the other side, which is
Speaker 5: what they almost did to the Bills and what they
Speaker 5: will continue to try to do two opponents down the stretch.
Speaker 1: I do remember that forty nine Ers team from a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago twenty twenty one, that started three
Speaker 1: and five and they were a dropped interception in the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game against the Rams from making the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that year and having a real chance to win it.
Speaker 1: I think of their team last year that lost a
Speaker 1: couple games in the middle of the season in a row.
Speaker 1: Granted they had a little cushion in terms of their
Speaker 1: record at that point, but they lost a couple games
Speaker 1: in a row when they had injuries.
Speaker 4: Their offensive line is also struggling outside of Trent, Like
Speaker 4: I just I'm wondering if we're going to see more
Speaker 4: of these bad games from Rock Purty too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been a Brian Florest thing.
Speaker 1: They'll have a much better matchup this week against the Rams.
Speaker 1: Other the Rams always find a way to play them close.
Speaker 1: This will be a challenge.
Speaker 2: All right, Judge.
Speaker 1: Connie, I respect you, I admire.
Speaker 3: I got to get out of here.
Speaker 1: It's one I'm looking forward to U season three. Get
Speaker 1: that syndication deal going. We will be back after this
Speaker 1: a little quick break and we're going.
Speaker 2: To do a t F review. Jets and Patriots.
Speaker 1: All right, it's time for our TNF preview presented by
Speaker 1: Prime Video. It's the Patriots heading to the Meadowlands to
Speaker 1: face the New Jersey Jets.
Speaker 2: Almost said Nets.
Speaker 1: I'm thankful to the Patriots for showing up these first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks and being a representative interesting football team
Speaker 1: and making this Thursday night football rivalry game interesting. I
Speaker 1: know they wanted to put the Patriots early. They don't
Speaker 1: have any other Prime times like before the bottom fell out,
Speaker 1: and they look like a real team to me. I
Speaker 1: am concerned, Calleen that their passing game is as bad
Speaker 1: as expected. Yeah, actually, like I know, they got Hunter
Speaker 1: Henry over one hundred yards last week, but any measurement
Speaker 1: you want to look at, or any eyeball tests that
Speaker 1: that I've been looking at. In terms of the past protection,
Speaker 1: it is that big of a problem that you know,
Speaker 1: when your left tackle gets benched and then thinks about
Speaker 1: retiring and leaves the team like, that's.
Speaker 4: Usually Tante Sarka would never Yeah, it's usually a bad sign.
Speaker 1: They're twenty eighth in yards per play, they are dead
Speaker 1: last in past block win rate, second worst pressure rate allowed,
Speaker 1: and their average separation is twenty eighth. So when I
Speaker 1: watched this film, Jacoby Brissette I think has played well enough.
Speaker 2: He hasn't been the issue.
Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of open receivers here, and it's
Speaker 1: a tough matchup against a Jets secondary where they've you know,
Speaker 1: they've got the player sas Gardner and DJ Reid and CJ. Moseley,
Speaker 1: by the way, are all considered kind of day to
Speaker 1: day and might be game time decisions.
Speaker 2: So that's a big factor here.
Speaker 1: But if they're healthy, this is a Jets team that
Speaker 1: I think can feel with confidence we can just man
Speaker 1: up against your receivers.
Speaker 3: What about Ramandre Stevens.
Speaker 2: Okay, and there we go.
Speaker 4: That's the strength that's this is the strength of the team.
Speaker 4: They are run heavy. Now he's the entire offense, Ramandre Stevenson.
Speaker 4: This is the second straight week he had twenty plus carries,
Speaker 4: and that's where the Jets are susceptible on the ground,
Speaker 4: allowing an average of one hundred and fifteen yards per
Speaker 4: game through these two so like four point five yards
Speaker 4: per carry. Also the six most receiving yards to opposing runners,
Speaker 4: which not Remandre's wheelhouse, but that could mean that Antonio
Speaker 4: Gibson gets involved too. So if they're going to have success,
Speaker 4: it's going to be on the ground. I don't know
Speaker 4: how viable that will continue to be because defenses will
Speaker 4: obviously be keying.
Speaker 3: But it's like right.
Speaker 4: Now, it's been working for them and they're exciting, and
Speaker 4: obviously Jacoby Brissett he's limited in what he can do.
Speaker 5: I don't know that the Jets have shown a capability
Speaker 5: of king in against to stop the run. They've just
Speaker 5: been really porous in terms of allowing that significant volume
Speaker 5: is something like one hundred and thirty yards allowed in
Speaker 5: week two, one hundred and eighty yards allowed in week one.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just an enormous amounts of holes found
Speaker 5: by these running backs. And I think that if you
Speaker 5: are trying to keep the ball out of Aaron Rodgers' hands,
Speaker 5: which you should be, because even though he's clearly still
Speaker 5: kind of getting back to his physical form, looked better
Speaker 5: last week. They also helped him out a lot with
Speaker 5: the quick game, helped mitigate some of their own offensive
Speaker 5: line issues with the quick game. We'll get to that
Speaker 5: in a minute, But if you're trying to play keep
Speaker 5: away from Aaron Rodgers, your game plan has to be
Speaker 5: to load up and run the ball. If you're the Patriots,
Speaker 5: and there really is not another And to add to
Speaker 5: the list to Michael Carter with the ankle right also
Speaker 5: to me one of the best inside corners in the NFL.
Speaker 5: He's dealing with the ankle and he's limited this week
Speaker 5: so and he's also been managing it so he's he
Speaker 5: might not play a full snap count. So again, if
Speaker 5: you are again shorthanded, even on the inside and the
Speaker 5: linebacker situation, you're really going to have to like smash
Speaker 5: the ball into this Jets front because they shoul haven't
Speaker 5: proved that they can stop.
Speaker 1: It, and they're without Jermaine Johnson, who tours Achilles. There
Speaker 1: obviously without Hassan redsk so sad. Yeah, that's really sad,
Speaker 1: and mostly to me is so important for what they do.
Speaker 2: I misspoke earlier.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you corrected when I said sas Gardner is
Speaker 1: Michael Carter, who would be kind of a game time
Speaker 1: decision potentially for this. So that's really important. But again,
Speaker 1: Vermandri's playing so well. Antonio Gibson had one of the
Speaker 1: best games of his career. I've always been an Antonio
Speaker 1: Gibson fan from his days in Washington, and it kind
Speaker 1: of got like worse and worse, and like breaking tackles
Speaker 1: is not exactly an offense, but that's basically what they've
Speaker 1: been doing. It hasn't been that the run blocking has
Speaker 1: been great. It's been up and down. But they do
Speaker 1: have some plays where they look like they kind of
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. And I do love that they'll
Speaker 1: break out seven offensive linemen at once. They'll just go
Speaker 1: crazy jumbo, They'll go six offensive linemen at once, like
Speaker 1: that's who they are. They're trying to keep it close,
Speaker 1: and you can win that way if you don't make
Speaker 1: mental mistakes, which they did in the fourth quarter in
Speaker 1: overtime of that game before for that, they played three
Speaker 1: really clean quarters and we're this close to the you know,
Speaker 1: being two and oh, I mean they they're in field
Speaker 1: goal range with four minutes left to go, you know,
Speaker 1: up up three, with a chance to maybe go up ten.
Speaker 1: So they've done a lot of good things their defense.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that matchup against the Jets offense and Rogers.
Speaker 1: Can they get any pressure on Rogers? Rogers is four
Speaker 1: for ten for twenty six yards against pressure, and you
Speaker 1: might be saying, like, well, that's not very good. That's
Speaker 1: obviously at the bottom of like any sort of metrics
Speaker 1: you want to look at. But the thing that stands
Speaker 1: out to me is ten that he's only been pressured
Speaker 1: on ten plays. He also has zero passes this year
Speaker 1: outside the tackle box, so like no creation. So a
Speaker 1: lot of the things we said about Kirk Cousins coming
Speaker 1: out of week one are true to the other guy
Speaker 1: coming off of torn Achilles. It's just not quite as dramatic.
Speaker 1: But when you guys watch him, does he look like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? No, because the old Aaron Rodgers created now
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers I think's been better than the Kirk and
Speaker 1: I are in terms of he's getting rid of the ball.
Speaker 1: And I do have more faith in the Jets winning
Speaker 1: this game because of the second half of that game
Speaker 1: that they did kind of lock down defensively in terms
Speaker 1: of their run Stoppy and Rogers made three or four
Speaker 1: just fantastic one on one throws to his receivers, and
Speaker 1: I came out of that game thinking like, Okay, the
Speaker 1: second half of that game, like he got his mojo back.
Speaker 1: We'll see if that continues. But I felt a lot
Speaker 1: better about him after watching that.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm just writing down, okay for Patriots to load
Speaker 5: up and run ball, not okay for Chargers to load up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, all right, all right, freaking Herbert and the.
Speaker 5: You lost your mind there for a second to do that.
Speaker 5: You lost your mind there it worked. I do think
Speaker 5: to your Rogers.
Speaker 1: One got like my my grandfather is ninety one, super you.
Speaker 3: Want to take a lap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got like a Ferrari Greg.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, So to your point, yes, they are helping
Speaker 5: him to and maybe Aaron is helping himself if he's
Speaker 5: like calling this, calling these games right, but kind of it,
Speaker 5: he probably exactly. But the quick game that they're using,
Speaker 5: it's helping him. It's not just helping avoid that pressure.
Speaker 5: It's obviously keeping his air yardage pretty short, which is
Speaker 5: strange to see from Aaron Rodgers. It's only five passes
Speaker 5: over ten air yards, which is the third lowest for
Speaker 5: him since twenty sixteen per season. Only five Yeah, per
Speaker 5: next My god, that's so.
Speaker 1: But they're going three of them were dimes that Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can still down the Garrett.
Speaker 5: He can still he can still do it, but they're
Speaker 5: clearly trying to protect him and get him into a
Speaker 5: rhythm as he gets his like literal legs back under him.
Speaker 5: So this was interesting again per next Gen eighteen passes
Speaker 5: under two and a half seconds, getting the ball out
Speaker 5: super fast. When thirteen of eighteen for one hundred and
Speaker 5: twenty five yards and two touchdowns downs in this last game,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's it's interesting because that mitigates pressure
Speaker 5: on the offensive line. I don't I'm not confident that
Speaker 5: the Jets can amass or excuse me, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 5: not confident that that's going to make such a difference
Speaker 5: in this game, in the state of the Jets offensive line.
Speaker 5: But I think that, you know, getting him into a
Speaker 5: rhythm like that and getting him like feeling good, feeling
Speaker 5: like moving, feeling like things are clicking. I think you'll
Speaker 5: start to see him open up a little bit more.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this is the game to do it, though,
Speaker 5: because you know you're trying to just get a clean
Speaker 5: win out of this one.
Speaker 4: I do think that Bristol and maybe even Braylan Allen
Speaker 4: are the focal point. It's a ball control offense and
Speaker 4: they're sort of saving Rogers for those big third downs
Speaker 4: and like the end of half plays, and Garrett Wilson
Speaker 4: he still hasn't scored a touchdown yet. There's like different
Speaker 4: things I think that you can point to with both
Speaker 4: of these teams. How the Jets defense can just blow
Speaker 4: things up, and it's something that they should be able
Speaker 4: to do against the Patriots this week with that offensive line,
Speaker 4: that defront going up against the Patso line, which the
Speaker 4: pats O line for so long was like they're strong
Speaker 4: suit in Foxborough. And so now I kind of I'm
Speaker 4: just looking at both run games because both teams are
Speaker 4: sort of shifting to a run first approach, so it's
Speaker 4: gonna be which one has the ball longer.
Speaker 1: So the Patriots I think will play them similarly to
Speaker 1: the Titans, which is the Titans didn't stack the box
Speaker 1: like Breese Hall is Love and Life with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: That is the difference between this year and last year
Speaker 1: in terms of like what they're running game is facing
Speaker 1: in The Patriots lost Juwon Bentley, who's a good run
Speaker 1: stopper for them, and they will count on their guys
Speaker 1: to just do it. But if I had to pick
Speaker 1: a defense in this game, like which defense do I
Speaker 1: trust more, it's close. They're both veteran groups that have
Speaker 1: played together a while. I think Jeron Meo has done
Speaker 1: some really good disguises in terms of how they change
Speaker 1: before the snap and after the snap played. Ken White
Speaker 1: has four sacks this season, a lot of really quick
Speaker 1: pressures last week too, and they they play like a
Speaker 1: veteran group that's in sync. I think that the Jets
Speaker 1: do two on the back end, but I think the
Speaker 1: Patriots actually a little better up front.
Speaker 2: I brought up the.
Speaker 1: Line here while we were talking because I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm curious what it is, because I'm confident the Patriots
Speaker 1: are just gonna ugly this thing up and keep it close.
Speaker 1: At this point, I think these two teams have looked
Speaker 1: pretty average. If you look at like the DVOA through
Speaker 1: two weeks. I know it's only two weeks. They're both
Speaker 1: just right in the middle of the NFL. That's how
Speaker 1: they've played, and so I would think they'd keep it close.
Speaker 1: So six and a half to me is way too
Speaker 1: much for the Jets. I like the Patriots to keep
Speaker 1: it close, but the Jets to ultimately win in a
Speaker 1: matchup where man, even at the very end of the
Speaker 1: Belichick era, the Jets were struggling to ever find wins
Speaker 1: against the Patriots. So I do think they get one
Speaker 1: here at home. But I like the Patriots to cover
Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, I think not that you have to
Speaker 1: pick that. I just found that interesting.
Speaker 2: Six and a half. I feel pretty strong about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's too too much or I don't
Speaker 5: really know how to describe this type of thing. You
Speaker 5: explain this to me all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything else I could say. The Patriots
Speaker 2: like if you can the.
Speaker 5: Lines and the like, I don't. That's my huge weak spot.
Speaker 5: But I do think that they're going to keep it
Speaker 5: closer than what that says. I think because I think
Speaker 5: they could win, because I think the Patriots are going
Speaker 5: to go keep trying to play keep away from Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5: Like I said at the very top, but I do
Speaker 5: think the Jets are going to win this game.
Speaker 3: Jets too, so we're sweeping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 5: I'm owing to by the way I am, I am
Speaker 5: the curse.
Speaker 3: Last week was a bad week for everyone.
Speaker 1: I do think, Yeah, there are some matchup issues. Christian
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is playing well in the secondary, but you know,
Speaker 1: one on one, some of these Patriots cornerbacks I think
Speaker 1: can be a little a little more of.
Speaker 4: A what if the Patriots do win because things have
Speaker 4: been so good for them unexpectedly, do we end up
Speaker 4: seeing Drake May a little sooner than sooner?
Speaker 5: Not with that line, No way I will know.
Speaker 2: I think this is the best of both worlds for them.
Speaker 2: They're like being it.
Speaker 1: They're confirming why they're not playing him in a way,
Speaker 1: and they're setting the foundation and they're winning some games and.
Speaker 5: They're literally like why is everyone yelling? We're right?
Speaker 2: That is awesome?
Speaker 1: And that was this week's TNF preview, presented by Prime Video.
Speaker 1: Be sure to watch the New England Patriots take on
Speaker 1: the New York Jets this Thereday on Prime Video Jordan
Speaker 1: and Colleen.
Speaker 2: What a day Judge Connie.
Speaker 5: Colleen Pick said the judge. Okay, I'm just you know what,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to curry points.
Speaker 3: I know, but we're done. We're done in the courtroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Judge Connie returning at some point. Yeah, we'll see
Speaker 1: if it's a regular season thing postseason. Who knows. I
Speaker 1: know I'm doing court for jury duty in a month.
Speaker 1: That's not happening. So I got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to get out of that because they've already delayed it
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