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Speaker 1: New Jersey.
Speaker 3: We're gonna kick it off with these drones now. Note
Speaker 3: it is not just because I am hosting the show today,
Speaker 3: just with Ryan. I'm not the one who pushed this.
Speaker 3: I consider doing things, but I genuinely is crazy.
Speaker 1: Is what else can we do.
Speaker 3: It's a crazy story in the country. Nobody in the
Speaker 3: mainstream media is taking this seriously. We literally have a
Speaker 3: literal unidentified flying objects all over the state of New Jersey,
Speaker 3: acknowledged by the United States government, by the New Jersey
Speaker 3: State Police, by the governor of the state, by lawmakers,
Speaker 3: by residents. Many of them have been spotted over US
Speaker 3: military installations or a flurry of more drone sidings just
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 1: So what the hell are these? You know?
Speaker 3: According to our government, we don't know. So we're going
Speaker 3: to tell you everything that we do know about the situation.
Speaker 3: If anything, we're going to rule a bunch of things out,
Speaker 3: and I will allow you to make up your mind
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Speaker 3: About Luigi Mangioni, the alleged United CEO killer who has
Speaker 3: now been taken into custody and is fighting extradition to
Speaker 3: the state of New York have been some interesting again
Speaker 3: social fallout of that situation, Ryan comedians, Bill Burd, Joe Rogan,
Speaker 3: a few others weighing in. It's become a real cultural
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Speaker 3: Ken Klippenstein. He's going to join us. He's the one
Speaker 3: who made the decision to publish the manifesto, and he's
Speaker 3: going to give us some background where he actually has
Speaker 3: revealed that there is some tacit agreement between the police
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Speaker 3: link down in the description. With all of that, let's
Speaker 3: get to these new Jersey drones folks. First, let's start
Speaker 3: with the video show. We put it up there on
Speaker 3: the screen. We confirm some of the video that we
Speaker 3: are about to show you, So let's go ahead and
Speaker 3: play it as I talk over it. Where you're seeing
Speaker 3: there is a Bergen County, New Jersey. So yeah, you
Speaker 3: can just see linking lights that are in the sky.
Speaker 3: At least some of these drones were originally thought to
Speaker 3: be unidentified. However, at least one or two of them
Speaker 3: were known and I later identified as a small passenger aircraft.
Speaker 3: But many of these images that have been coming out
Speaker 3: have now been observed again all over the state, multiple
Speaker 3: different counties in the state of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Bedminster, New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's a bit concerning because that's where President elect
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's New Jersey golf courses as well. But in reality,
Speaker 3: you're also seeing these drones which appear to have lights
Speaker 3: and to be flying in groups as well, not only there,
Speaker 3: but over.
Speaker 1: Multiple US military installations.
Speaker 3: And I will get to the confirming of that in
Speaker 3: a little bit now, as I just set this up.
Speaker 3: As we said, there's been multiple days now investigation into
Speaker 3: these drones. Some you know, we knew were small passenger aircraft,
Speaker 3: but there's just literally not enough small passenger aircraft, especially
Speaker 3: at night, that are usually registered and confirmed in others
Speaker 3: to know that this is explicitly not what they are,
Speaker 3: so they are something, right. We know that they're not,
Speaker 3: at least according to United as Military, they're not US
Speaker 3: military assets. We believe at some point now that they
Speaker 3: are not. They're not foreign assets, as was speculating. We'll
Speaker 3: get that they were saying, oh it's a ron, yes,
Speaker 3: But what we do know are some shotgun comments here
Speaker 3: from the state of New Jersey's Governor Phil Murphy, who
Speaker 3: actually deployed state assets to try and intercept some of
Speaker 3: these drones. And here's what he had to say. The
Speaker 3: minute we get eyes on these drones, they go dark.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6: I don't blame people for being frustrated. Let me say
Speaker 6: most importantly right up front, we see no evidence. And
Speaker 6: I say this includes Homeland Security, FBI, Secret Service, our
Speaker 6: state police authorities, at all levels of government. The most
Speaker 6: important point to say is we don't see any concern
Speaker 6: for public safety. That's number one.
Speaker 1: Number two.
Speaker 6: Having said that, it's really frustrating that we don't have
Speaker 6: more answers as to where they are coming from and
Speaker 6: why they're doing what they're doing. We had last night
Speaker 6: forty nine sightings. I think twenty of them were over
Speaker 6: one hundred. Now those include I think I saw one
Speaker 6: mistaken a fixed wing air craft, a plane, a small
Speaker 6: piper cub for instance, for a drone, or you saw
Speaker 6: one and that counts, and then I saw the same
Speaker 6: one and that counts. So we think these are overstated,
Speaker 6: but it's a non zero number. I was on with
Speaker 6: the White House and Homeland Security leadership literally at the
Speaker 6: very top yesterday pretty much all day. I'm hoping we'll
Speaker 6: get answers sooner than later. I would just ask folks
Speaker 6: to continue to let the FBI or their local law
Speaker 6: enforcement know when they see something, and we'll continue to
Speaker 6: do everything we can with our federal partners to get
Speaker 6: clearer answers.
Speaker 3: Why is it hard to get answers?
Speaker 6: These are apparently very as I understand it, very sophisticated.
Speaker 6: The minute you get eyes on them, they go dark.
Speaker 6: And you know, we're obviously most concerned about sensitive targets
Speaker 6: and sensitive critical infrastructure. We've got military assets, we've got
Speaker 6: utility assets, we've got the President and Alex one of
Speaker 6: his homes here. This is something we're taking deadly seriously.
Speaker 6: We've gotten good cooperation out of the FEDS. But we
Speaker 6: need more and that's that was my plate. How much
Speaker 6: lower as I don't know, but if we have news,
Speaker 6: I'll come. I'll let you know. The minute we know something.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to hide it under a bushel because you.
Speaker 7: Governor you have I'm gonna have people saying, you know,
Speaker 7: I saw a drone and or I was spraying something,
Speaker 7: or I saw a drone crash in my yard and
Speaker 7: set it off in alarm when I tried to go
Speaker 7: near it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fear. Yeah, New Jersey residents on you.
Speaker 1: What is your message?
Speaker 6: Well, the message I just gave. But by the way,
Speaker 6: we're not aware of any nefarious drone that has crashed,
Speaker 6: or if there is one that's crashed, could someone please
Speaker 6: call me and let me know where that is. There
Speaker 6: are a couple of rumored downings for one reason or another.
Speaker 6: One of them was a toy, the other one was
Speaker 6: never found. But having something, having our hands on equipment
Speaker 6: that's on the ground would be helpful.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I think we can say at least this
Speaker 3: is not a crank incident, Ryan, this is something being
Speaker 3: taken very seriously. By the way, that was just three
Speaker 3: days ago, and the situation has gotten even worse with
Speaker 3: drone sietse or multiple as I said, that happened just
Speaker 3: last night. So this is pretty shocking stuff. You've got
Speaker 3: the State of New Jersey says the moment that we
Speaker 3: get eyes on them, they go dark. This is really
Speaker 3: something that fits with a lot of previous UAP incidents
Speaker 3: for people who have been following them and they in
Speaker 3: terms of the characteristics, I'll just break it down because
Speaker 3: a lot of these have the same ones. First and
Speaker 3: foremost is this number one over a military base. Number two,
Speaker 3: traveling in groups. Number three, no military or civilian explanation
Speaker 3: for what's going on. And then number four, which we're
Speaker 3: about to get to, is wild rumors circulating to cover
Speaker 3: up the real explanation, which is we have no earthly idea.
Speaker 1: We have no earthly idea.
Speaker 5: Separate from my favorite part of that was where the
Speaker 5: guy's like, what's your message to people in New Jersey's like,
Speaker 5: the message is what I just said. Yeah, So how
Speaker 5: is the UAP community reacting to this? Because freaking out,
Speaker 5: I'm not in that community, and I'm yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: let's go well for us, for us, the something something's
Speaker 5: up Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is a pattern.
Speaker 3: This is a recognizable pattern, multiple incidents. It fits with
Speaker 3: multiple reports of pilots and of other US Navy assets
Speaker 3: and others that have all talked about this. It's just
Speaker 3: the most high profile because it's over a populated center. Now,
Speaker 3: sticking with that, we have some testimony here from somebody
Speaker 3: who actually encountered one of these drones.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8: I know, in my own personal experience, I was driving
Speaker 8: home from a friend's house, passing by Flanders Valley golf
Speaker 8: course and I saw a drone that looked like the
Speaker 8: size of a small car, just hovering right above the
Speaker 8: golf course. And I tried to get a picture of it,
Speaker 8: but you know how it is the lights, it's kind
Speaker 8: of hard to get a true image out of it.
Speaker 8: But it's honestly kind of been a little comical too
Speaker 8: as well, because people come in here with all their
Speaker 8: conspiracies and all their own ideas of what could be happening,
Speaker 8: and it is nice in a coffee shop environment to
Speaker 8: talk about it.
Speaker 3: And so you are telling me that some of these
Speaker 3: drones are as large as a car, some are as
Speaker 3: small as the more conventional drones.
Speaker 1: What are they they sound like, and what are they
Speaker 1: moving like? When you do see them.
Speaker 8: See sometimes it's hard to really get a true idea
Speaker 8: of what they sound like because some of them are
Speaker 8: very high up, looks like like ten thousand feet, and
Speaker 8: then others could be around five hundred feet. So the
Speaker 8: larger ones, I have seen stories and I have heard
Speaker 8: that it could sound like a helicopter, while the small ones,
Speaker 8: when they're high.
Speaker 1: Up, you can't really hear anything at all, can't really
Speaker 1: hear anything at all.
Speaker 3: Now keep in mind, in terms of the FAA, everybody says, oh,
Speaker 3: these might be civilian drones, might be a couple of
Speaker 3: other people. The technologies not fit with that. First and
Speaker 3: foremost is banned right on flying drones at night.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 3: I know, there's complicated rules, something about line of sight,
Speaker 3: but the higher ones they wouldn't even fit with that.
Speaker 1: So there's number one.
Speaker 3: Number two is that these have been investigated now at
Speaker 3: the state level, at the federal level, and now at
Speaker 3: the military level. And so for example from the FBI saying, quote,
Speaker 3: they have no idea what these drones are.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listener.
Speaker 9: You're telling me, we don't know what the hell these
Speaker 9: drones are in New Jersey?
Speaker 1: Are is that coright?
Speaker 9: That's right, It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 4: That's madness that we don't know what these drones are.
Speaker 3: That was from the United States Congress where a FBI
Speaker 3: agent there was testifying. Now, let's get to the wild rumors,
Speaker 3: shall we. So in the vacuum of all of this information,
Speaker 3: people always come out and they start hearing things from people. Right,
Speaker 3: some of those people are congressmen. Now, yesterday, Congressman Jeff V. Andrew,
Speaker 3: most famous I think for switching from Democrat to Republican,
Speaker 3: took to Fox News airwaves and made a wild claim
Speaker 3: that these drones are actually Iranian drones that are coming
Speaker 3: from a quote mothership off of the US East Coast.
Speaker 1: Let's take a lesson.
Speaker 9: Well, here's the real deal, Harris.
Speaker 10: You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee, on the
Speaker 10: Aviation Subcommittee, and I've gotten to know people and from
Speaker 10: very high sources, very qualified sources, very responsible sources. I'm
Speaker 10: going to tell you the real deal. Iran launched a
Speaker 10: mothership probably about a month ago that contained these drones.
Speaker 1: That mothership is off I'm gonna tell you the deal.
Speaker 10: It's off the East coast of the United States of America.
Speaker 10: They've launched drones. Is everything that we can see or hear.
Speaker 10: And again, these are from high sources. I don't say
Speaker 10: this lightly. Now, you know, we know there was a
Speaker 10: probability it could have been our own government. We know
Speaker 10: it's not our own government because they would have let
Speaker 10: us know.
Speaker 1: It could have.
Speaker 10: Been some really glorified hobbyist or hobbyists that we're doing
Speaker 10: something unbelievable. They don't have the technology.
Speaker 1: Hmm, all right, So I have a number of questions.
Speaker 4: First question, when can we do war with the run?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 1: First of all, does this fit with wanting to go
Speaker 1: to war with Ron? Yes?
Speaker 3: Number two mothership really the Iranian Navy, the vaunted blue
Speaker 3: water Iranian Navy has a capacity to come all the
Speaker 3: way to the US East Queen never saw there and
Speaker 3: to be able. Yet nobody on open source was able
Speaker 3: to track it. The US Navy wasn't or at maybe right,
Speaker 3: So it's like and then that mothership phones are allowed
Speaker 3: to fly back and forth from said mothership now for
Speaker 3: multiple weeks without anybody spotting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead and color me skeptical. These are very
Speaker 1: responsible sources.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very responsible, very respectable listen. I mean, and by
Speaker 3: the way, look, this is super annoying for the congressman
Speaker 3: to do this because I genuinely think it is irresponsible.
Speaker 3: There's not a single scrap of evidence to back up
Speaker 3: what he said. By the way, he did walk it
Speaker 3: all back later and he was like, well, I said
Speaker 3: it could be Iran, and it's like, no, bro, we
Speaker 3: just played the tape.
Speaker 1: That's how he said. That's all he said.
Speaker 5: Nothing authoritative has ever followed. I serve on the transportation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, By the way, I serve on the transportation. Okay,
Speaker 3: because joke Committee and all the Congress that they.
Speaker 5: Let anybody from New Jersey on the TRANSFEAH is appalling,
Speaker 5: exactly right, Okay, So yeah, especially if anybody wh's been
Speaker 5: on the turnpike.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So then finally we get a Pentagon press conference where
Speaker 3: they're asked about all of this, and they said two
Speaker 3: very important things. Number One, what the congressman saying is
Speaker 3: totally not true. But the most important one is this,
Speaker 3: according to assessment, it is not a foreign military asset.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: Representative Jeff Fan Drew, who is a Republican from New Jersey,
Speaker 7: was just on the air saying that Iran launched a
Speaker 7: mothership probably about a month ago that contains these drones,
Speaker 7: and that that mothership is off the coast of the
Speaker 7: east coast of the United States. Is there any truth
Speaker 7: to that?
Speaker 1: There is not any truth to that.
Speaker 3: There is no Iranian ship off the coast of the
Speaker 3: United States, and there's no so called mothership launching drones
Speaker 3: towards the United States. All right, No mothership, no drones.
Speaker 3: They also said it is not a foreign US military asset.
Speaker 3: It basically only leaves two options. One is we have
Speaker 3: no idea, and the other is that it's a US
Speaker 3: military drones. I mean, I guess is theoretically possible that
Speaker 3: it is and that they're not telling us, But there
Speaker 3: are a lot of weird things that continue to stack
Speaker 3: up against it. So, for example, can we put a
Speaker 3: nine please up on the screen. This is a statement
Speaker 3: from US North Command.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: US North Command says that they've quote conducted a deliberate
Speaker 3: analysis of the events in consultation with other military organizations
Speaker 3: and interagency partners. At this time, we have not been
Speaker 3: requested to assist with these events. So according to them,
Speaker 3: this is the military right responsible for US North Command
Speaker 3: and US Home Defense as well as Canada, and they
Speaker 3: tell us, no, we've done an analysis here and we've
Speaker 3: said that we have not even been requested to deal
Speaker 3: with any of this.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why I don't think it's Iranian.
Speaker 3: And the other funny thing is whenever you continue to
Speaker 3: read Ryan and you see some of the statements they're
Speaker 3: referring to it as a quote local law enforcement matter.
Speaker 3: But then when you talk to the state and the
Speaker 3: state troopers and others and including the government of Jersey,
Speaker 3: He's like.
Speaker 1: Guys, airspace is not us. That's a federal matter. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of finger pointing going on. And I
Speaker 1: think that the answer is they don't know.
Speaker 3: That's the terrifying part. And look, again, we are not
Speaker 3: dealing with is one or two. We've got multiple verified videos,
Speaker 3: got multiple incidents. We've got the freaking governor who says
Speaker 3: that every time a helicopter trusts at close to these things,
Speaker 3: they go quote unquote go dark.
Speaker 1: You don't think the Patterson Police Department can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, handle Pattison Police Department. They're totally unable to
Speaker 3: do all of this. And the other thing is is
Speaker 3: that you have multiple sidings across multiple different donains. So
Speaker 3: let's go ahead and put a eight please on the screen.
Speaker 3: This is from New Jersey Media. I mean they exhaustively
Speaker 3: list here all of the counties where these drone reports
Speaker 3: have happened. I mean, we're talking about all over the state.
Speaker 3: But one of the things that really caught my eye
Speaker 3: yesterday was actually a statement that came out of Naval.
Speaker 1: Air Station Earl.
Speaker 3: And what they said is, quote, we are aware of
Speaker 3: the reports of increased drone activity in New Jersey and
Speaker 3: are actively monitoring the situation. We have received reports from
Speaker 3: our neighboring communities and law enforcement.
Speaker 1: But here's this quote.
Speaker 3: We can confirm at least one instance of an unidentified
Speaker 3: drone entering the airspace above Naval Weapon Station Earl. Above
Speaker 3: Naval Weapon Station Earl. So you have here that's on
Speaker 3: the record from the United States Military.
Speaker 5: Unidentified object that was flying above the naval Unidentified flying object.
Speaker 3: Unidentified flying object that was flying over Naval Station role.
Speaker 1: So you can call them, let's just call them UFO.
Speaker 3: Quality, UFO quality, UFO if you want to, So listen.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I've only given people the facts here.
Speaker 3: You can you can make up your own mind. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think the real thing that we could take away
Speaker 3: from this is the FEDS just don't know, they have
Speaker 3: no and clue, or they're hiding something colossal. There's some
Speaker 3: secret government but you know, everybody always thinks that it
Speaker 3: could be some secret government program. But it'd be pretty
Speaker 3: stupid to have a secret government drone program to be
Speaker 3: flying all over the most part one of the most
Speaker 3: populated and dense areas in the entire United States. Ignite
Speaker 3: a local panic. You have the governor of the state
Speaker 3: of New Jersey. I think the mayors of every town
Speaker 3: in New Jersey convened yesterday for a meeting. Many of
Speaker 3: the mayors came away from it, some of them had
Speaker 3: drove up to three hours, and we're like, we didn't
Speaker 3: learn anything from this. They basically just said the same thing,
Speaker 3: we have no idea what's happening here this legislators, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what they said. State legislators said, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, we have no clue about what's happening here.
Speaker 3: That they keep saying that we need more federal resources
Speaker 3: to tell us what's happening.
Speaker 5: And interestingly, the President has been briefed, Yes, we Okay,
Speaker 5: the president has a limited amount of time, and this
Speaker 5: president has extra limited amount of time.
Speaker 1: He's got tend.
Speaker 3: Nothing right, that's going to take photos at Christmas parties.
Speaker 3: That's about what he's got.
Speaker 1: This roads to his level. We've got I believe it's
Speaker 1: a seven. Yeah, a seven. Let's go and play it.
Speaker 12: So we are certainly aware the president is where so
Speaker 12: we're closely tracking and the activity and coordinating closely with
Speaker 12: relevant agency including DHS and FBI to continue to investigate
Speaker 12: these incidents. Don't have anything beyond that to share.
Speaker 9: Obviously, this is.
Speaker 12: Something that DHS and FBI are tracking very very closely,
Speaker 12: and so I would have to refer you to them directly.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: The president has been brief they are monitoring the situation.
Speaker 3: You take it for whatever you will.
Speaker 1: You know. That's that's all we've got so far, folks.
Speaker 3: And you know, even as I continue to scour, I
Speaker 3: don't see the national media really taking this seriously at all.
Speaker 3: But if you consider it at a base and this
Speaker 3: is part of the reason why many lawmakers who when
Speaker 3: you strip apart the stigma and people calling you crazy,
Speaker 3: at a baseline level, it's crazy to have things that
Speaker 3: are flying around in your airspace and you don't know
Speaker 3: what they are, as we multiple congressmen and others have
Speaker 3: said they said, we have reports of these things over
Speaker 3: US military installations. We have reports of them interfering with equipment.
Speaker 3: We have reports of sailors and airmen who have no
Speaker 3: idea what to do, They're afraid, or they just simply
Speaker 3: you know, it's a threat to them because things are
Speaker 3: going around in your airspace without any knowledge of it.
Speaker 3: And this is perhaps the most high profile example that
Speaker 3: we've had in years now of something that is like
Speaker 3: this happening. It's already the national media, I think, is
Speaker 3: trying to memory hol it, and I think the main
Speaker 3: reason why is it's embarrassing and it's difficult right when
Speaker 3: to tell a story and just have of I don't know,
Speaker 3: nobody knows, but anytime completely, you know, they have zero idea.
Speaker 1: All we have our little little data point.
Speaker 5: If they are unidentified objects flying over the remains of
Speaker 5: Evanna Trump like that's important.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you joke, but this is the
Speaker 3: president of Lexical Compound. Yeah, I think he's going to
Speaker 3: be there for Christmas something like that, or.
Speaker 1: Let possibly he's in New York today.
Speaker 3: I know that at the New York Stock Exchange, So
Speaker 3: what does that mean, probably will be stopping off at Bedminster.
Speaker 3: And then you have these drones that are flying around
Speaker 3: that are up there. We have US military installations that
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening in daval air stations. You have
Speaker 3: reports here from the governor of the state. And then
Speaker 3: you had so many incidents that happened just last night
Speaker 3: apparently where multiple other residents and others are reporting them
Speaker 3: to authority. So if you see anything going on, if
Speaker 3: you see anything, just let us know. If you can
Speaker 3: post the video, report it to your local authorities, and
Speaker 3: we'll continue to monitor the situations.
Speaker 1: Totally crazy stuff. All right, Let's move on to inflation.
Speaker 3: This is a really crazy story, Ryan, and potentially it
Speaker 3: could be you know, it's going to be an issue
Speaker 3: there for Donald Trump. This is one of the main
Speaker 3: reasons why he won the presidency. Let's put this up
Speaker 3: there on the screen. Quote unquote, Strengthening inflation poses challenge
Speaker 3: for Trump and for the Fed. So inflation actually ticked
Speaker 3: up this month two point seven percent.
Speaker 1: Quote assigned to that path to.
Speaker 3: Bringing down price pressures remains bumpy quote unquote progress on
Speaker 3: bringing down inflation stalled in November, CPI ticked up two
Speaker 3: point seven percent increase. But it's the prices of consumer
Speaker 3: goods that are really jacking things up right now. Quote,
Speaker 3: everything from cars to living room furniture excluding food and
Speaker 3: energy increase at the fastest month over month pace in
Speaker 3: a year and a half, largely led by a jump
Speaker 3: in vehicle prices. That was partly because drivers were replacing
Speaker 3: damaged cars and trucks after recent devastating hurricanes. But also
Speaker 3: the rise is notable because the prices for many goods
Speaker 3: had been falling for about a year through August and
Speaker 3: now appears to have been reversed. One of the ways
Speaker 3: that you can really look into this is that it's
Speaker 3: in the core areas in terms of making everyday life
Speaker 3: more expensive. Whenever you see the actual dig into the numbers.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there from the Washington Post, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to read here this is actually really crazy.
Speaker 3: So what they show is that the is that with
Speaker 3: eggs and with auto insurance. In particular, food prices, which
Speaker 3: weighed heavily on Americans, rose point four percent over the month,
Speaker 3: but prices for meat, fish, poultry, and eggs rose one
Speaker 3: point seven percent. Beef price increased three percent and are
Speaker 3: up five percent on the year. Eggs are up eight
Speaker 3: point two percent and are up forty percent on the year.
Speaker 3: Gasoline up by point six percent, but still down some
Speaker 3: eight percent from the year ago period. It's the auto
Speaker 3: insurance that really stuck out to me, because what you
Speaker 3: saw in that number, Ryan, was a thirteen point seven
Speaker 3: percent or sorry, twelve point seven percent increase in auto
Speaker 3: insurance in just a single year. And this is really
Speaker 3: shocking because what it shows is that not only is
Speaker 3: the price of carrying a car up significantly, but the
Speaker 3: price of the car itself is also up significantly. And
Speaker 3: then you consider that rates are still very high, so
Speaker 3: the car loans themselves. So you now have a situation
Speaker 3: where average car payment is going to rocket up from
Speaker 3: the price of the car, the rate of the car,
Speaker 3: and now the physical carrying cost with auto insurance. And
Speaker 3: one of the really sad parts about this is I
Speaker 3: talked a lot about this in terms of families, is
Speaker 3: that you know, now used to be like you had
Speaker 3: your sixteen year old kid. Everyone is annoyed because oh
Speaker 3: it jumped from one hundred and twenty to four hundred
Speaker 3: dollars or something. Nowadays, you would be praying and wishing
Speaker 3: for a four hundred dollars insurance payment just for you
Speaker 3: and your wife, all right, for you and your husband.
Speaker 3: Nowadays it's like five hundred dollars, two two thousand dollars
Speaker 3: of what that jump is.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely shocking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the days where the sixteen year old, Like when
Speaker 5: I was sixteen, you know, I scraped together seventeen hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: I got five hundred dollars from a car accident I
Speaker 5: was in and I was working at.
Speaker 1: A side job flush yeah, yeah, combined and was for
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred bucks.
Speaker 5: Was able to get a hont A cord used as hell,
Speaker 5: And that was very normal, yes, even for lower income people,
Speaker 5: for teenagers be able to And then yeah, the insurance
Speaker 5: is a little more because you're a terrible driver, and
Speaker 5: it should be more because sure you're a danger on
Speaker 5: the roads just as much as a ninety five year old,
Speaker 5: maybe even more so.
Speaker 1: But it was affordable.
Speaker 5: This is getting this is getting unaffordable for the average
Speaker 5: middle class family at this point.
Speaker 1: And we counterpoints.
Speaker 5: We were flagging this more than a year ago, and
Speaker 5: actually a piece you read there is a nice little vindication.
Speaker 1: We can put it up there.
Speaker 5: People that were dunking on me about pointing out all
Speaker 5: the storming storms and the floods were driving a significant
Speaker 5: amount of the auto insurance becris. People like, what, that's crazy,
Speaker 5: that's impossible. No, dude, what do you think happens when
Speaker 5: you get much more hail than used to get.
Speaker 1: Hail destroys cars.
Speaker 4: That's a couple thousand bucks to get that fixed.
Speaker 5: Maybe flooding more than that, Yes, because it's doing it's
Speaker 5: destroying the whole body. Flooding your carget, your car gets
Speaker 5: filled with water. How much do you think that costs
Speaker 5: to get fixed?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 5: Western North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, George, Louisiana, Like all of
Speaker 5: these places getting whacked with storms. And that's before we're
Speaker 5: talking about all the all the tornadoes and the and
Speaker 5: as costs of cars rise, then the cost of fixing
Speaker 5: them rises. Yes, And there is also then and this
Speaker 5: needs this requires a lot more investigation. But there is
Speaker 5: a something Dave Dan's outlet would be good at looking into.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll team up with him on that. Private equity
Speaker 1: is like buying.
Speaker 5: Up a whole bunch of car and rolling up the
Speaker 5: auto repair industry. And so what private equity does when
Speaker 5: they when they buy up, say medical facilities, they figure
Speaker 5: out how to upcode to insurance companies and medicare, and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden they're extracting a whole lot more
Speaker 5: money out of these insurance companies, whether it's medicare or
Speaker 5: private insurance. They're doing the same thing with auto insurance,
Speaker 5: and so they're figuring out, how do we maximize what
Speaker 5: we can get out of this insurance company. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 5: car makers themselves are making everything automated. So every time
Speaker 5: you roll in now and you've got you know, you
Speaker 5: might have your tire pressure might be low in the
Speaker 5: old days, like just a couple of years ago, you go.
Speaker 1: And you fill up, you fill up your tire.
Speaker 5: Now they're like, we got to run the system because
Speaker 5: we've got to do something about that code. And that's
Speaker 5: like a hundred bucks interesting, And then they find something
Speaker 5: else and it's like auto mechanics have always been good
Speaker 5: at figuring out ways to charge you more, but private
Speaker 5: equity takes that to an exponential new level, right, and
Speaker 5: it's just and then the insurance company is like, okay,
Speaker 5: well we're raising prices by thirteen percent.
Speaker 3: Price is actually shocking because put that New York Times
Speaker 3: tear sheet up there on the screen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a little bit from this B three please.
Speaker 3: So what they talk about in here is about the
Speaker 3: quote era of the twenty thousand dollars family car insurance bill.
Speaker 3: And they quote one particular woman who said that she
Speaker 3: called to add her sixteen year old to her car insurance.
Speaker 3: She drives a twenty eighteen Subaru, and the representative casually
Speaker 3: informed her her annual premium would go from seventeen hundred
Speaker 3: to over five thousand dollars. They say, quote, it turns
Speaker 3: out she has it pretty good. There are plenty of
Speaker 3: families with three or four children whose annual premiums will
Speaker 3: top twenty thousand dollars this year. That can be enough
Speaker 3: to replace one of the cars that the entire policy covers.
Speaker 1: Quote how can this be?
Speaker 3: It's the insurance industry, which means it's complicated, unpredictable, and
Speaker 3: more or less especially because you literally have to have
Speaker 3: insurance to be able to drive.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 5: One other vicious cycle that's going on here. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: you see this all over the country. People are confronting
Speaker 5: this The more that prices rise, the more unaffordable it becomes.
Speaker 5: The more people are uninsured, Yes, because they can't pay,
Speaker 5: just can't make the bills.
Speaker 1: I was about to get to that, and then boom,
Speaker 1: uninsured people. That raises the tub.
Speaker 3: We have a critical mass of uninsured population. Some of
Speaker 3: it is immigration related, apparently, that's what a lot of
Speaker 3: people are speculating around the large number of people who
Speaker 3: are here illegally and largely drive.
Speaker 1: Without a legit analysis. It's true.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just at a basic level, you have
Speaker 3: a twenty million people who are illegally ten million people
Speaker 3: are probably driving, all of them legally, are uninsured because
Speaker 3: that's what this is admitted by them and by social
Speaker 3: scientists and others. So if you're getting to a car accident,
Speaker 3: that's number one. Number two, that's tail as old as time.
Speaker 3: In Texas, everybody in Texas got a story getting rear
Speaker 3: ended by a guy and he's like, oh, sorry, you know,
Speaker 3: insurance drives away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll pay some cash, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: This has been going on for twenty five since I
Speaker 3: was since I was a kid, I remember hearing stories
Speaker 3: about this. Now the whole country gets to experience what
Speaker 3: we in Texas got to grow up with second though,
Speaker 3: is the rise actually, and this is why I think
Speaker 3: you can't just blame it all on immigration. A lot
Speaker 3: of this has to do with cars. And I didn't
Speaker 3: think about this, but the nicer the cars become, the
Speaker 3: more expensive they are to fix. And what I mean
Speaker 3: by that is that even the baseline models of a
Speaker 3: lot of cars these days, they've got you know, the
Speaker 3: rear end sensors and all that stuff. Well, it used
Speaker 3: to be when you crash or let's say somebody sideswipes
Speaker 3: you and they hit your side, Okay, you just have
Speaker 3: to replace the piece of metal.
Speaker 1: You go to it. Now that's why I used to
Speaker 1: just go to a jug yard exactly.
Speaker 3: You have the famous you know, you have the what
Speaker 3: the door that doesn't match everything else looks like shit,
Speaker 3: but whatever. But now you have that it needs a
Speaker 3: sensor and it has that and it is wired to
Speaker 3: the computer. And so whenever that happens, you actually have
Speaker 3: to replace like three or four different things.
Speaker 1: Also electric vehicles.
Speaker 3: There is there's a famous story of a Rivian like
Speaker 3: a Rivian got involved in a rear end or something,
Speaker 3: and it costs forty thousand dollars to fix, because it's
Speaker 3: not just the sensors. It was something about the way
Speaker 3: that the car itself is configured, and they needed a
Speaker 3: brand new pay.
Speaker 1: You might as well totaled it to me, honest.
Speaker 3: But that's the point is that in basic fender benders
Speaker 3: and other small accidents, is that as the cars get nicer,
Speaker 3: first of all more expensive, but second really is nicer,
Speaker 3: more complex.
Speaker 5: With a lot more and sensors, the way they crumple. Right,
Speaker 5: So this crumpling is good for the human, yes, bad
Speaker 5: for the bad.
Speaker 11: For the car.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different things that are going
Speaker 3: on in terms of that. Second is also something that
Speaker 3: was flagged to me by somebody in the insurance industry.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. I don't
Speaker 3: know how much of this is true. This could be
Speaker 3: coped by them, but I thought I would mention it anyways.
Speaker 3: It says quote the big impact of quote unquote social
Speaker 3: inflation on small and mid size commercial auto insurans. And
Speaker 3: it says the term social inflation brings to mind jury
Speaker 3: trials and multimillion dollar verdicts, often claims for involving serious
Speaker 3: injury for the claimant, but the effects of social inflation
Speaker 3: go beyond these headline grabbing cases. The whole dynamic of
Speaker 3: social inflation that leads to verdicts has trickled down effects
Speaker 3: that can impact any claim, including basic auto injury for
Speaker 3: something as benigned as a sprain ankle. This means that
Speaker 3: even small and mid sized companies with relatively small autoliability
Speaker 3: exposure can and do pay the price. Commercial auto a
Speaker 3: claim severity has now risen seventy two percent since twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: with a median annual increase of six point three. Economic
Speaker 3: and social inflation are big culprits behind the increase, contributing
Speaker 3: to some ninety six billion if increase in the combined
Speaker 3: claim payouts for US personal and commercial auto liability in
Speaker 3: the last decade.
Speaker 1: So what that means is that there's also I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, lawyers and all.
Speaker 3: These other people talk about it too, that a lot
Speaker 3: of the tort reform and there's a lot of lawyers
Speaker 3: who obviously pray not just okay, so they justify it
Speaker 3: by representing people against auto companies whatever.
Speaker 1: Don't I don't know the whole story. I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: something in between.
Speaker 3: The point is is that you have a lot of
Speaker 3: claimants with insurance route by the way right now is rampant.
Speaker 3: By the way, get a dash cam. If you're out there,
Speaker 3: got a dash camp. It's important. It could save you
Speaker 3: a lot of money sometime in the future. So there's
Speaker 3: a famous video going around right now of a guy
Speaker 3: who slams his car rear ends his car into somebody.
Speaker 3: The only reason she isn't held liable is because she
Speaker 3: has a dash camp showing that the other guy clearly
Speaker 3: is at fault. So insurance fraud and personal injury lawyers
Speaker 3: and all these other people are milking the auto insurance companies.
Speaker 3: A lot of those judgments are trickling down. You have
Speaker 3: the illegal immigrant situation, You've also got these more expensive
Speaker 3: car situation, and you've got the storms. So it does
Speaker 3: seem like it was a perfect storm quote unquote of events. Also,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of claims were new on December,
Speaker 3: so that's another reason why this particular month was very high.
Speaker 1: But I feel for people out there.
Speaker 3: Man, if you got three kids or something like that
Speaker 3: and you're paying fifteen twenty grand a year in car insurance,
Speaker 3: that's crazy, especially if you, Oh, Man, if you live
Speaker 3: in Florida, your home insurance rate if you're lucky to
Speaker 3: have it jacked up your auto insurance rate.
Speaker 1: Crazy if you live in California.
Speaker 3: Apparently California just instituted some new regulations about mandatory coverage
Speaker 3: for every person with increasing the amount that you legally
Speaker 3: have to have for your coverage, which again drives the
Speaker 3: price up. So there's a huge confluence of events, but
Speaker 3: the bottom line is always the same as that it's
Speaker 3: harder to just be an everyday American.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just sucks.
Speaker 3: I can't I cannot imagine paying twenty thousand dollars a
Speaker 3: year for car insurance. That's crazy, It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 5: Might need a national car insurance at some point, I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you need something singlet You've got to figure
Speaker 3: out a way to get you know, because you know
Speaker 3: these This is, as we said, the basics.
Speaker 1: It's the carrying cost.
Speaker 3: Because if you go from a situation of oh, about
Speaker 3: a fifteen dollars saved up a lot of money, fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year, fifteen thousand dollars car, which is
Speaker 3: not it used to be expensive. Nowadays it's bigger and
Speaker 3: barely go and buy you anything. Probably something used with
Speaker 3: seventy thousand miles or something on it, maybe even one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand. So you buy that car, but now the
Speaker 3: carrying cost of said car, with car payment and with
Speaker 3: insurances now goes very very high. So the burn rate
Speaker 3: of the average balance sheet for an American just makes
Speaker 3: it very, very difficult. If you're the average income on
Speaker 3: seventy five thousand dollars a year household, good luck. I honestly,
Speaker 3: I don't know how I have two cars. Then almost
Speaker 3: impossible do whatever you have.
Speaker 5: Help with grocery prices, oh right, if that's if that's
Speaker 5: fifty percent more than it was a few years ago,
Speaker 5: you're getting killed, even if you got the best coupons
Speaker 5: for food line that you can find.
Speaker 1: It's very sad, it really is. It makes me sad.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what.
Speaker 3: It's like for people who are out there, maybe with
Speaker 3: a couple of kids or whatever. Maybe you decide to
Speaker 3: have to downside to one car downside, so you quote
Speaker 3: unquote one car for one family.
Speaker 1: But that can be very difficult.
Speaker 3: As well, you know, especially if you live in modern
Speaker 3: suburb or somewhere like that. If you know, not like us,
Speaker 3: you don't live in an urban area, and you literally
Speaker 3: have to drive everywhere for it. This is a lot
Speaker 3: of downstream implications, you know, in terms of why this
Speaker 3: is all bad, so really really sad story.
Speaker 1: Wanted to make sure that we flagged it.
Speaker 3: Trump certainly has his work cut out for him, because
Speaker 3: this is gonna be one of those number one things.
Speaker 1: And honestly, that'd be one of the things that I
Speaker 1: would focus on too.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, we need to lower the price of
Speaker 3: car and carrying cost for these for everybody.
Speaker 1: It's not just homes.
Speaker 3: It's also just very basic stuff like this, food, car, gas, home.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you focus just on those four, you'd
Speaker 3: be here. But you know, nobody in Washington likes.
Speaker 11: To talk that way.
Speaker 3: All right, So speaking of skyrocketing insurance, shall we We'll
Speaker 3: get to Luigi Mangioni and the current developments in the
Speaker 3: case and also the social thought. Well, I wouldn't go
Speaker 3: that far. He didn't follow any of us, thank got that,
Speaker 3: you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was a little worried about it.
Speaker 5: You were like, okay, dodge that one.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't need New York Times up my ass talk
Speaker 3: asking me about why this guy was was a fan
Speaker 3: or anything like that, even though we did swim in
Speaker 3: very very similar circles. So we've got two comedians winging,
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan and Bill Burr with some cutting analysis with them.
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll get to that next. Let's take a list
Speaker 1: of the comedians.
Speaker 13: Bad und denying clams. Thirty thirty four percent denial rate,
Speaker 13: so normals like sixteen. Yeah, yeah, so those guys.
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's gonna like be crying too.
Speaker 13: Hard over that. Yeah, maybe it's family, but that's about it. Yeah,
Speaker 13: it's a dirty, dirty business. The business of insurance is
Speaker 13: fucking gross. It's gross, especially healthcare insurance just yeah, fucking grows.
Speaker 14: Well, you know what's annoying me about this, this kid
Speaker 14: who killed this ceo is none of these news programs
Speaker 14: are talking about the incredible lack of empathy from the
Speaker 14: general public about this because of how these insurance companies
Speaker 14: treat people when they are at their most vulnerable, after
Speaker 14: we've all given them our money every fucking month and
Speaker 14: now we finally need you, and all you do is
Speaker 14: deny us. And then these pussies and all of these
Speaker 14: things are taking the pictures of their CEOs off their websites.
Speaker 14: You know, I gotta be honest with you. Okay, I
Speaker 14: love that the fucking CEOs are fucking afraid right now.
Speaker 14: You should be, by and large, you're all a bunch
Speaker 14: of selfish, greedy, fucking pieces of shit, and a lot
Speaker 14: of you are mass murderers. You just don't pull the trigger.
Speaker 14: That's why it looks clean. That's why these people look,
Speaker 14: Oh my god, Oh he was just you know, walking
Speaker 14: into a hotel. It's like, okay, well, what was his job,
Speaker 14: what did he do? What was the results of it?
Speaker 1: Whoo Bill, my god, the beeps couldn't even keep up
Speaker 1: with Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was interesting, you know, got I mean, look,
Speaker 3: it's funny. I knew that the comedians were going to
Speaker 3: have a field day with this one, But with Bill,
Speaker 3: I don't even think he's joking.
Speaker 1: Completely.
Speaker 3: You already know that there's going to be some great,
Speaker 3: great sets that come out of this entire thing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he certainly is trying to capture I would guess, what's
Speaker 3: the underground Internet mood of the country. And before we
Speaker 3: get to Elizabeth Warren, you know, we just have to
Speaker 3: put some of this stuff up there because you can
Speaker 3: see that there is a ground swell out there. I'm
Speaker 3: not endorsing it, but it is certainly out there. Let's
Speaker 3: go ahead and put what is it, C three up
Speaker 3: there on the screen. We play some vo of this.
Speaker 3: People are posting wanted pictures apparently all over the city
Speaker 3: of New York, showing the photos of CEOs of various
Speaker 3: different healthcare companies.
Speaker 1: You all so have.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one up there on the screen.
Speaker 3: You have the book the Delay, Deny, Defend Book, which
Speaker 3: was sited on the shell casings by LUISG. Mangioni that
Speaker 3: has surged to number three on the Amazon best seller list.
Speaker 1: Next see five.
Speaker 3: Please the jacket apparently worn by Mangioni is quote flying
Speaker 3: off the shelves. This is let's see a similar green truck.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, you know, this is.
Speaker 3: Just a basic green trucker jacket. I don't really know
Speaker 3: what's so special about it. The Sherpa line hooded jacket
Speaker 3: from Levi's rings in at two hundred and twenty five dollars,
Speaker 3: just quote flying off the shelves. After people speculated it
Speaker 3: was the same coat that was worn there. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess you know, I'll put in a plug for
Speaker 3: trucker jackets, specifically Levi's trucker jackets.
Speaker 1: They can be very stylish, they are very nice.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you could see there is a lot of
Speaker 3: hidden energy behind this, so much so that apparently people
Speaker 3: have been offering to the lawyer of Luisiami Manioni to
Speaker 3: pay his legal bills, something that the lawyer addressed in
Speaker 3: an interview. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 15: But but you said you were retained today. One big
Speaker 15: question that everyone has is are you being paid by
Speaker 15: his family to represent him?
Speaker 9: Yeah? I'm not going to comment on that.
Speaker 15: Well, can you say that it's not his family who
Speaker 15: is who is asking you to retain him or to
Speaker 15: retain you to represent him.
Speaker 16: I'm not going to comment on I'm not going to
Speaker 16: comment on that. That's I've been retained. I'm not court appointed.
Speaker 16: I've been retained, and that's all I can tell you.
Speaker 15: We had seen reports earlier that that there was, you know,
Speaker 15: people were inundating you with with offers to help pay
Speaker 15: for his his legal bills.
Speaker 9: Is that accurate?
Speaker 16: I I have she's some emails. I have not seen
Speaker 16: him personally, but my understanding from my staff is people
Speaker 16: are are doing that.
Speaker 15: The people are reaching out to you and offering to
Speaker 15: help pay for his legal bills.
Speaker 9: That's correct. Do you would you.
Speaker 15: Accept those offers? I mean, I imagine you maybe have. I
Speaker 15: don't know, have you ever gotten that before?
Speaker 9: Nah?
Speaker 7: Nah?
Speaker 9: Be honestly, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Why do you think you would not accept that?
Speaker 9: I don't know. I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 16: I just don't feel comfortable about that.
Speaker 9: So I don't know. I haven't given that much thought.
Speaker 9: But I'm not looking, you know.
Speaker 16: I mean, I you know, obviously my client appreciates the
Speaker 16: support that he has, but I don't know.
Speaker 9: I just it I had that look in but it
Speaker 9: just doesn't sit right with me.
Speaker 11: Really.
Speaker 3: I love how non plus this guy is the entire
Speaker 3: injury refuses to look at the camera.
Speaker 1: Short answers, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like all the worst things you could possibly ask
Speaker 3: for in a television guest is to doing of not
Speaker 3: giving anything clear. So what do you think you think
Speaker 3: the family's paying him? I think so, yeah, you got
Speaker 3: I would think so. I mean, they're super wealthy, right,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But let the public pay if they pay maybe.
Speaker 3: But then that's the other question, is that did somebody
Speaker 3: reach out and to preemptively, you know, retain cat I.
Speaker 5: Would as the family he went to Gilman, which is
Speaker 5: like the one of the most expensive schools in the
Speaker 5: Maryland area.
Speaker 1: Question, yeah, you could know.
Speaker 3: I mean that's already been coming out, is that his
Speaker 3: own family has been very wealthy. They own a bunch
Speaker 3: of golf courses apparently or whatever. And then what do
Speaker 3: they own golf courses?
Speaker 1: They his brother's a GOP state his cousin, his cousin
Speaker 1: was a GOP state legislator.
Speaker 3: So clearly they're influential, apparently very well known in the
Speaker 3: Baltimore area, the Manngioni family.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Ryan, what do you think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the first, the first politician to really kind
Speaker 5: of channel some of this, and she's getting a lot
Speaker 5: of backlash, is Elizabeth Warren. Okay, I think this This
Speaker 5: is a really interesting interview. And when you watch this interview,
Speaker 5: bear in mind the cliche in politics that they say
Speaker 5: everything that comes before the butt doesn't actually matter what
Speaker 5: it's what comes after the butt. And that's why people
Speaker 5: are like, oh, interesting, let's roll old base Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 10: Here.
Speaker 17: What happens when you turn this into the billionaires run
Speaker 17: at all is they get the opportunity to squeeze every
Speaker 17: last penny. And look, we'll say it over and over,
Speaker 17: violence is never the answer. This guy gets a trial
Speaker 17: who's allegedly killed the CEO of United Health. But you
Speaker 17: can only push people so far and then they start
Speaker 17: to take matters soon it's her own hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she's agel anti justice her whole career.
Speaker 5: She's been going after CEOs more than probably any other
Speaker 5: democratic ar. She did walk it back, though, has she
Speaker 5: already walked it back?
Speaker 1: Of course she's already walked.
Speaker 3: Well, you knew that, you knew that was bad, et cetera. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, look, they're all trying to thread the needle,
Speaker 3: which I kind of find amusing, especially well for them
Speaker 3: and take It's like, oh, how do we do this?
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we don't want to endoors violence.
Speaker 1: And she pushed the needl the furthest time. Do you
Speaker 1: think so?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, where you say, look, I don't support murder, but
Speaker 5: but but you can only.
Speaker 1: Push people so far, push people like that so far.
Speaker 4: That's about as far as a politician is going to
Speaker 4: take it.
Speaker 11: That's fair.
Speaker 1: I think that that is a certain and.
Speaker 5: Was certainly expected that that politician would then be forced
Speaker 5: to walk that back.
Speaker 3: We also have a hilarious clip so good that has
Speaker 3: come out of Luigi Mangioni's fellow prisoners who were able
Speaker 3: to shout at a cameraman for News Nation. Now as
Speaker 3: you and I were discussing, why are they playing News
Speaker 3: Nation in prison? Of all the yeah, of all the
Speaker 3: networks that's out there, NewsNation, but in prison.
Speaker 5: The context here is that Jesse Waters, apparently the most
Speaker 5: out of touch man in the entire United States, said
Speaker 5: that United Health CEO Brian Thompson's allies behind bars would
Speaker 5: give Luigia rough time. Yes, he was going to be
Speaker 5: really in for it because obviously inmates love nothing more
Speaker 5: than health insurancey.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, and.
Speaker 5: So his theory was actually put to the test as
Speaker 5: he's in a Pennsylvania prison here.
Speaker 3: So here Pennsylvania prisoners who are shouting back and forth
Speaker 3: with the News Nation camera crew about the conditions and
Speaker 3: other things inside the prison.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 18: This is just from a few hours ago, and here
Speaker 18: they are ten o'clock, as promised they said earlier today.
Speaker 18: Tell Ashley Banfield that Luigi is watching at ten o'clock.
Speaker 18: I mean, obviously, you know, that's just a hard roast
Speaker 18: at this point because they're not near Luigi in any way.
Speaker 19: Can I just ask the guys if they can hear
Speaker 19: me right now to answer yes or no very loud?
Speaker 19: Does Luigi have television in his single cell?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 20: They said no, Right, Obviously we have a little bit
Speaker 20: of a delay that they're getting. Yeah, they're getting the
Speaker 20: questions and they're and they're giving us the answer to me,
Speaker 20: he does not have Wow, this is quite something. This
Speaker 20: is the strangest interview I've ever conducted.
Speaker 18: Me too, Ashley. Uh, you know, according to the Department
Speaker 18: of Corrections, he's got his own solitary cell. It's not
Speaker 18: solitary confinement, but he's by himself. It's not dorm style.
Speaker 18: I'm not sure exactly what those guys got going on
Speaker 18: in terms of a living situation. It sounds like they're
Speaker 18: all clustered together. Isn't it interesting to see with the
Speaker 18: accommodations that they have. They got their own light switches.
Speaker 18: They're obviously watching TV any sort of ten o'clock curfew,
Speaker 18: you know, Yeah, they're they're doing at this very moment.
Speaker 3: That is pretty extraordinary. Also, what kind of facility. Is
Speaker 3: this guys can just yell out, you know, it's like cav.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is this a jail?
Speaker 13: Ye?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so this is this is most American prisons.
Speaker 5: So basically those dudes are in a common room. The
Speaker 5: windows are open. Probably they in fact, maybe they have
Speaker 5: the windows open and the heat on just just to
Speaker 5: make it miserable from both directions. But so it seems
Speaker 5: like all those guys are in the common room, it's
Speaker 5: you know, it's not yet time, you know, time to
Speaker 5: go back and sell and go to sleep. So they
Speaker 5: all sit around there and they and they're watching television news. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and they had like as you saw there, they had
Speaker 5: told they had yelled out the window to the crew,
Speaker 5: tell Ashley, we're gonna be watching at ten pm. Then
Speaker 5: sure enough they were there for their appointment at ten
Speaker 5: ten pm and communicating back and forth.
Speaker 1: You love to see it.
Speaker 5: So I think that waters theory that Luigi's gonna be
Speaker 5: persona no grada in American prisons is not not panning
Speaker 5: out so far.
Speaker 1: So I was speculating because so first of all, this
Speaker 1: is jail.
Speaker 5: Maybe he thought he was going to Dan. Maybe maybe
Speaker 5: Waters thought he was going to Dan.
Speaker 1: Berry, Dan Berry. That's in Connecticut.
Speaker 5: That's that's the that's the Connecticut one where all the
Speaker 5: rich people there.
Speaker 1: Luigi might have a problem, that's right, he certainly.
Speaker 3: Maybe you'd have more problem in the federal system, which
Speaker 3: is probably more phill filled with with criminals, white collar
Speaker 3: criminals and others. But if convicted, right, he would be
Speaker 3: in the New York State penitentiary system. We were speculating
Speaker 3: as to whether he'd be sent to that Dana Mora
Speaker 3: prison from the show Escape at Dana Mora with other
Speaker 3: violent criminals in the New York state system all the
Speaker 3: way up I think in upstate New York. But yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see what happens to him. It's going
Speaker 3: to be, as we said, it's going to be the
Speaker 3: trial of the century. I think we can at.
Speaker 1: Least guy's never gonna have to buy a cigarette, he thinks. So,
Speaker 1: he thinks, so all right, yeah, maybe we're right.
Speaker 3: Maybe, But are people going to remember in twenty years
Speaker 3: how long is he going to get if he gets convicted?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean also he's going to be so he's
Speaker 5: got back pain and to be in prison, Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: that's rough.
Speaker 3: And he also, I mean look, we I still don't
Speaker 3: know what he's gonna pleade. He could be he still
Speaker 3: could plead not guilty by reason of insanity, especially.
Speaker 4: Not guilty by reason of just finding not guilty.
Speaker 1: Certainly it could happen. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think so, just because of the
Speaker 3: way that I mean, people have tried that before, right
Speaker 3: in terms of like, oh I was justified in the crime.
Speaker 3: Usually the jury instructions are very narrow, so they're able
Speaker 3: to get around these. Yeah, the revolutionary time, they know
Speaker 3: how to go the FEDS and the cops. They know
Speaker 3: how to rig the system to make sure that stuff
Speaker 3: like that is not going to fly. But hey, look,
Speaker 3: maybe you're right, you know, speaking of that In terms
Speaker 3: of some of the questions surrounding Luigi Mangioni the Manifesto
Speaker 3: in the media's relationship, We've got Ken Clippenstein standing by.
Speaker 3: He's going to talk to us about his decision to
Speaker 3: publish the manifesto and why other media organizations have decided
Speaker 3: not to.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
Speaker 3: Joining us now is independent journalist Ken Clippenstein. He's famous
Speaker 3: now for publishing the Luigi Mangioni Manifesto. Let's go and
Speaker 3: put it up there on the screen on his substack,
Speaker 3: the only journalist to actually do so. So yesterday counterpoints
Speaker 3: it a good job breaking the manifesto down. So maybe Ken,
Speaker 3: we can get into the decision of your decision to
Speaker 3: publish this manifesto and also what you discovered about the
Speaker 3: mainstream met and why they decided not to publish it.
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, good to be with you.
Speaker 21: So what I learned in the course of reporting on
Speaker 21: this and obtaining it, I didn't realize at first that
Speaker 21: so many of these major media outlets, from The New
Speaker 21: York Times, the NBC, ABC, the Washington Post had their
Speaker 21: own copies of it. We're sitting on it, we're quoting
Speaker 21: selectively from it, perfectly happy to do so, but for
Speaker 21: whatever reason, they weren't willing to publish it. And what
Speaker 21: I learned after speaking with friends and other contacts at
Speaker 21: these various outlets was that there was some pressure to
Speaker 21: report it, but that in the case of every one
Speaker 21: of those companies, senior management didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Interesting all right, So when you say senior management didn't
Speaker 3: want to, was it a management decision or there was
Speaker 3: some speculation there was some deal with the police.
Speaker 21: What can you tell us about that. Yeah, So there
Speaker 21: are a couple of reasons that are cited. I think
Speaker 21: it's mainly an access problem, a problem of source capture,
Speaker 21: where you get this document from law enforcement, and if
Speaker 21: you look at the reporting that's out there that initially
Speaker 21: was paraphrasing it, and I said before quoting in some
Speaker 21: cases from it, it's almost always attributed to a senior
Speaker 21: law enforcement official. That probably means the FBI, and what
Speaker 21: I was told in the case of NBC, at least
Speaker 21: there was an explicit deal with law enforcement that we
Speaker 21: give you this, you're not going to publish it. I
Speaker 21: don't know for certain that that's the case with other outlets.
Speaker 21: Yesterday I published a story based on internal chat records
Speaker 21: among the editorial staff on The New York Times in
Speaker 21: which is said, we're not going to publish it, and
Speaker 21: they made explicit reference to the wishes of their sources.
Speaker 21: So I think there's a serious problem of source capture here,
Speaker 21: which in the case of my publishing, it didn't apply
Speaker 21: to me, but applied to basically all these major outlets.
Speaker 21: So I think there's a really important critique of media here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a thing that happens between and it's
Speaker 5: when you go, as Ken knows, is called going in
Speaker 5: the front door. You go in the front door of
Speaker 5: an agency. You're going right to the people basically, and.
Speaker 4: You're saying, hey, do you have this manifesto?
Speaker 1: Can I have it?
Speaker 5: And when you go in the front door, they have
Speaker 5: the leverage because then they can say, yeah, we do
Speaker 5: have it actually, and I will give it to you.
Speaker 5: But the condition is you can't quote these parts or
Speaker 5: you can't publish it in full, but you can paraphrase
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then you're stuck.
Speaker 5: Okay, I can either you agree to these terms and
Speaker 5: get something, or what you do is you go find
Speaker 5: other sources, you go in back doors, or you go
Speaker 5: inside doors. What I was curious about there are a
Speaker 5: couple of times in the manifesto where it says indecipherable.
Speaker 5: Did you get a printed a print version of it
Speaker 5: and it already said indecipherable? Or could you yourself not
Speaker 5: decipher the handwriting?
Speaker 21: So what law enforcement did was they were circulating their
Speaker 21: own copy of it because it's based on handwritten notes.
Speaker 1: May they typed up a version see exactly? So nobody
Speaker 1: has the original handwritten version.
Speaker 21: Yet I'm not sure that they don't have a photo
Speaker 21: of it some you know somewhere. But what was interesting
Speaker 21: about it was when law enforcement circulated this, it wasn't
Speaker 21: just the kind of senior national security reporters. It ended
Speaker 21: up being shared with a bunch of people at these outlets,
Speaker 21: I think, which I think undermines their whole argument that,
Speaker 21: you know, if people see this thing suddenly, like the
Speaker 21: Manchurian candidate, there's going to be an activation. It's an
Speaker 21: activation word that's just going to turn everyone into homicidal maniacs. Somehow,
Speaker 21: that doesn't apply to the media or their friends that
Speaker 21: they were sharing this stuff with, because I you know,
Speaker 21: I had heard that there were people not at all
Speaker 21: related to law enforcement or the story or national security
Speaker 21: that were just socially like, oh hey, check this out,
Speaker 21: you want this, And it's just the public. It's just
Speaker 21: the general public that can't see it. The media was
Speaker 21: all sharing with each other.
Speaker 3: So what I'm curious with here, then, Ken is I
Speaker 3: know that you had some reporting about inside of New
Speaker 3: York Times also about them not publishing a photo of
Speaker 3: Luigi MANGIONI.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what's up with that?
Speaker 21: Yeah, so I got internal chat records of their editorial
Speaker 21: decision making, They had a for they had they had
Speaker 21: a directive from senior management that was sent out to
Speaker 21: the reporter saying, hey, let's quote dial down our use
Speaker 21: of photos of this guy, not not use a picture
Speaker 21: of his face in the In the statement I quoted
Speaker 21: in the story said something like we're not sure about
Speaker 21: the ongoing newsworthiness of this or something. And then the
Speaker 21: next morning they have a picture of him being marched
Speaker 21: to his arraignment and it's just his back.
Speaker 11: He's completely it's just like his debt. It was comical
Speaker 11: and it was like so childish.
Speaker 21: And I know that people at the Times are frustrated
Speaker 21: about this because again, something I want to stress when
Speaker 21: I critique the you know, major media, these are not monolists.
Speaker 21: There are people, there are good people in them that
Speaker 21: do good work and that don't agree with, you know,
Speaker 21: the dictates of senior management. But in this case, that's
Speaker 21: what the Time said, and I think it relates to
Speaker 21: the exact same thing we're talking about a moment ago,
Speaker 21: which is source capture.
Speaker 11: Law enforcement doesn't like that.
Speaker 21: They want to control the narrative, and look at how
Speaker 21: they've quoted from this story and used it to paint
Speaker 21: a certain picture of this guy. I give you very
Speaker 21: CNN had a segment where they were like, yep.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 21: Manifesto, it gives you a really clear idea that this
Speaker 21: guy's nuts, he's got some really serious psychiatric issues. And
Speaker 21: then we're not going to tell you probably know that,
Speaker 21: and we're not going to give you a passage that
Speaker 21: illustrates that, but just trust us.
Speaker 11: That's what it shows.
Speaker 21: And so it's very beneficial to law enforcement to be
Speaker 21: able to construct their own narrative and shape the public
Speaker 21: consciousness around what exactly happened when they don't give them
Speaker 21: the underlying documents. And that's the case now with the
Speaker 21: photograph too, because I think there are kind of two
Speaker 21: arguments mad tandem, one being that, oh, like I said before,
Speaker 21: the activation code is going to cause the public to
Speaker 21: become violent, which to me is just like the nineties
Speaker 21: debate about violent video games cause of shootings. You know,
Speaker 21: I don't find it very compelling, But you have to
Speaker 21: wonder if they even believe that, because in those same chats,
Speaker 21: well that might be the pretext, oh, you know, we
Speaker 21: care so much about public safety or whatever, which I
Speaker 21: think is problematic and self The reality is that they
Speaker 21: also have relationships with their sources and law enforcement that
Speaker 21: have their own whish is who they don't want to
Speaker 21: alienate to me.
Speaker 11: So those are kind of the two reasons that I saw.
Speaker 3: It seems really paternalistic in the age of Twitter, in
Speaker 3: an election where everybody was online, this idea that they
Speaker 3: can control, like whether people see this guy's photo or not.
Speaker 1: Go on social media, it's everywhere. It's all over twit.
Speaker 3: You can go check his own profile, like who are
Speaker 3: we to tell you what not to check or whatever?
Speaker 3: Show's show you a photo of the guy. This is
Speaker 3: the photo that he put out there.
Speaker 1: Right. This is now.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe there's a bigger conversation about glorifying killers
Speaker 3: or not, but Ken, you and I have been here
Speaker 3: long enough to know that there are plenty of terrorists
Speaker 3: and other people who have been front page on the
Speaker 3: New York Times.
Speaker 1: So what's up with this now? It's all about being selective.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 21: And it just speaks to the ludicrous self egoism that
Speaker 21: these major outlets have that they think that, oh, we
Speaker 21: didn't use the photo. Everybody time to go home. We
Speaker 21: don't know what he looks like anyway. It's like, guys,
Speaker 21: the Times hasn't had that kind of power in like decades,
Speaker 21: you know, like you're not that important.
Speaker 5: And what's interesting about that decision is that The Times
Speaker 5: in recent years has become and especially their editors, have
Speaker 5: become increasingly obsessed about traffic numbers, like in a way
Speaker 5: that they didn't used to be used to be. Everybody
Speaker 5: in the snake pit was fighting over getting on a one.
Speaker 5: Now now it's about the push alert in traffic numbers
Speaker 5: and hot image like that is going.
Speaker 1: To drive traffic.
Speaker 5: And so for them to cut against their own self
Speaker 5: interest is interesting because it suggests that there are these deeper, broader,
Speaker 5: more powerful interests at play here, Like what are you
Speaker 5: hearing anything about how The Times is directing or we're
Speaker 5: talking about guiding and framing the coverage itself, like because
Speaker 5: they're trying to grapple, I guess with this upsurge of
Speaker 5: support for him while pushing it down because of their
Speaker 5: own politics exactly.
Speaker 21: And I want to stress that directive came from the top.
Speaker 21: So it was a senior editor and he was saying, hey,
Speaker 21: we just got that. I don't remember what the exact words were,
Speaker 21: but we just got this from upstairs and then they
Speaker 21: just quoted a statement.
Speaker 11: So this is clearly coming from the leadership of the paper.
Speaker 21: I don't want to give people the impression that I
Speaker 21: just found some you know, random comment from some marginal person.
Speaker 11: This is the policy of the paper.
Speaker 21: And I would encourage people to go and check out
Speaker 21: on my subseat the exact quotes so they can see
Speaker 21: that this is something that's systemic and speaks to the concerns.
Speaker 21: I mean when you get to that, I can only speculate.
Speaker 21: I don't know what's going on in the you know,
Speaker 21: c suite of The New York Times, but I can
Speaker 21: see what's going on in the rest of major media
Speaker 21: on television and the public facing side, which is that
Speaker 21: they are extremely uncomfortable about all this and they'd rather
Speaker 21: just pretend it's not happening. I mean, in the case
Speaker 21: of the in the case of the manifesto that I published,
Speaker 21: you know, very shortly after, the Daily Beast confirmed its
Speaker 21: authenticity based on their own law enforcement sources, as did
Speaker 21: a couple of other websites. None of the major media
Speaker 21: has said a word about it. And when I try
Speaker 21: to get them on the record to even just tell
Speaker 21: try to be responsible like, here's their side of the story.
Speaker 21: Here's why they said that they don't want to publish it.
Speaker 21: They wouldn't even respond, not one I contacted for major media. Wow,
Speaker 21: think gets single or something. They won't even articulate a
Speaker 21: reason for why you're not allowed to see this.
Speaker 5: The Times published the entire Unibomber manifesto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess they're probably a little bit.
Speaker 3: Theoretically under under what was it? If I remember the circumstance,
Speaker 3: it was like he was like, if you don't publish it,
Speaker 3: then I'm going to attack somebody by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but the irony is that that's ended up being his
Speaker 3: demise because the only reason he got caught is because
Speaker 3: his brother recognized the Yeah, exactly. So if anything, it's
Speaker 3: a justified I mean again, you know, if we could
Speaker 3: think back to the whole unibaber thing. Also, how funny
Speaker 3: is it that he four starred the Unibomber manifesto And
Speaker 3: let's all be honest, is manifesto is craped. It's a
Speaker 3: totally phoned in manifesto. You can get you could say
Speaker 3: a lot about ted, but he put a lot of
Speaker 3: thought into that thing. Okay, it was it was long
Speaker 3: it was a reasoned, especially volume one, Volume two, things
Speaker 3: get a little crap, a little weird. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think with this case Ken, in terms of other
Speaker 3: stories and other things that you're chasing with respect to that,
Speaker 3: you have found an extraordinary amount of support from the
Speaker 3: public for just telling people what they want to hear,
Speaker 3: which I think is great. You know, they want information,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying in a bad way, so like they
Speaker 3: want information, you're giving them the information. And instead these
Speaker 3: media outlets decide that they should be responsible for what
Speaker 3: other people get to hear and editorialize here and there.
Speaker 3: So can you just speak to that dynamic and how
Speaker 3: it's actually helped your own substack now by doing this.
Speaker 21: Yeah, this whole thing that I regard as a pretext
Speaker 21: that oh, we're protecting the public safety and they say
Speaker 21: other things. Did they did this when I published the
Speaker 21: Vance Dossier as well, which is a very similar parallel
Speaker 21: case where all these outlets had it, they wouldn't publish it.
Speaker 21: They say things like, oh, it's not newsworthy, or hey,
Speaker 21: our paraphrase basically told you everything in there, so what
Speaker 21: do you need to see what's under it?
Speaker 11: For which there's two problems with.
Speaker 21: I mean, you know, the coverage is dominated by a
Speaker 21: certain type of you know, person in Washington or New
Speaker 21: York City, who, even if they're trying their best to
Speaker 21: give the public a sense of what's relevant to their
Speaker 21: lives in.
Speaker 11: How are they going to know.
Speaker 21: How is vulf Blitzer going to know what some guy
Speaker 21: in I live in Wisconsin, who is going to be like, oh,
Speaker 21: you know, this guy would be interested in that. He's
Speaker 21: going to have a Washington idea of what's interesting in it.
Speaker 21: So that's problematic in itself, But I think the bigger
Speaker 21: issue here is the fact that they think that they've
Speaker 21: sort of deputized themselves into being these public safety officers.
Speaker 21: They're going to decide what's safe for the public, if
Speaker 21: that's even what they believe, if it's not just deals
Speaker 21: that they've cut with law enforcement, like we were talking
Speaker 21: about before, and so in the case of in the
Speaker 21: case of all this, I just wish there was some
Speaker 21: kind of public discussion about they never articulate any of
Speaker 21: their policies around these things, including around mass shooters and
Speaker 21: whatever their policy is on publication of photos.
Speaker 11: There's just no discussion.
Speaker 21: It's just kind of pretend it didn't happen, which is
Speaker 21: precisely what's happened to the manifesto. Not one of these
Speaker 21: outlets has even I have messages I didn't publish these
Speaker 21: saying yes, we know this is authentic. That's the real thing, guys,
Speaker 21: just to give you a heads up, and they link
Speaker 21: to my sub sect. They won't acknowledge that publicly. They're
Speaker 21: just all pretending it didn't happen. It's very strange, so stupid.
Speaker 5: Well, your your substacks blowing up as a result of it,
Speaker 5: and that's that's great.
Speaker 1: Great to see.
Speaker 5: Great great scoop Ken, thanks so much for joining us
Speaker 5: as Ken Clippenstein dot com. Right, and that's where people
Speaker 5: can get your substack, right.
Speaker 11: Yeah, probably the only one under that name.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, and we will have a link to
Speaker 3: it down in the description of this video. Thanks for
Speaker 3: joining us, man, We appreciate you.
Speaker 11: Good see you, guys,