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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Have an amazing show for everybody today, Ryan Morning's extra

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Speaker 3: amazing bro show.

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Speaker 1: People live for the pound. As they always say, We've.

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Speaker 3: Got a great show for everybody today. Let's see let

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Speaker 3: me see the bar folks. This is the toughest part

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Speaker 3: of the job.

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Speaker 1: New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna kick it off with these drones now. Note

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Speaker 3: it is not just because I am hosting the show today,

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Speaker 3: just with Ryan. I'm not the one who pushed this.

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Speaker 3: I consider doing things, but I genuinely is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Is what else can we do.

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Speaker 3: It's a crazy story in the country. Nobody in the

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Speaker 3: mainstream media is taking this seriously. We literally have a

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Speaker 3: literal unidentified flying objects all over the state of New Jersey,

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Speaker 3: acknowledged by the United States government, by the New Jersey

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Speaker 3: State Police, by the governor of the state, by lawmakers,

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Speaker 3: by residents. Many of them have been spotted over US

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Speaker 3: military installations or a flurry of more drone sidings just

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Speaker 3: last night.

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Speaker 1: So what the hell are these? You know?

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Speaker 3: According to our government, we don't know. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to tell you everything that we do know about the situation.

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Speaker 3: If anything, we're going to rule a bunch of things out,

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Speaker 3: and I will allow you to make up your mind

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Speaker 3: for yourself of what you think they are. Inflation, we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk about that shocking new numbers around eggs

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Speaker 3: and auto insurance inflation remaining troublingly high, thirteen percent spike

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Speaker 3: in a single month just in auto insurance.

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Speaker 1: We're going to dig into why it's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk.

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Speaker 3: About Luigi Mangioni, the alleged United CEO killer who has

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Speaker 3: now been taken into custody and is fighting extradition to

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Speaker 3: the state of New York have been some interesting again

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Speaker 3: social fallout of that situation, Ryan comedians, Bill Burd, Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 3: a few others weighing in. It's become a real cultural

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Speaker 3: touch point. Then we're going to have an interview with

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Speaker 3: Ken Klippenstein. He's going to join us. He's the one

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Speaker 3: who made the decision to publish the manifesto, and he's

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Speaker 3: going to give us some background where he actually has

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Speaker 3: and the mainstream media to not release the manifesto.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 3: When it's okay to release Manifested a little New York

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Speaker 3: Times scoop. That's right, he's got some time on what's

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Speaker 3: going on with his inside the New York Times insane. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, all right, Well, anyway, we are going

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Speaker 3: to figure out why what the hell is going on.

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Speaker 3: We've got some other interesting stories about Syria. Even though

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Speaker 3: advisors to al Qaeda to actually help topple Bashar Alsad's regime.

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Speaker 3: Interesting enemy of my enemy is my friend, as they

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Speaker 3: going to talk about an extraordinary clip from CNN in

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Speaker 3: Syrian Prison's very dramatic, very bit. You know, it was

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Speaker 3: very emotionally heart renting if you take it seriously. There's

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Speaker 3: some questions though, around the circumstances of all of that.

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Speaker 3: And then Independent Senate candidate Diane Osborne, who outperformed almost

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Speaker 3: all the Democrats in the entire country.

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Speaker 3: The entire country. He will join Ryan and I foreign interview.

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Speaker 5: And the week before we got Brooke who was the

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Speaker 5: We have a very cool audience, ye, diverse audience. So

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Speaker 5: sung so get that. And then a quick update on

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Speaker 5: the book campaign. I have mine now, Ray fat alerriers,

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Speaker 5: if I must die, you have until Saturday to buy

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Speaker 5: this and have it still count toward the New York

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Speaker 5: Times bestseller list. I have been told by a source

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Speaker 5: in the publishing industry that there is a quote high

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Speaker 5: probability that it actually will make the list.

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Speaker 1: How many copies did they sell already?

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Speaker 5: Well, so they printed seventy five hundred. They completely sold

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Speaker 1: So in normal times, that's enough to hit the list.

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Speaker 5: In normal time, that's enough. Now it's December, so it's

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Speaker 5: holiday season. Everybody's buying a lot of books. So we're

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Speaker 5: guessing fifteen k is definitely on there. And I think

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Speaker 5: we're at twelve or thirteen already. Okay, and Today's Thursday

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Speaker 5: can get hit top ten.

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Speaker 1: There's no way you don't. I think. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of books. Just throw everybody understand.

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Speaker 4: That if what is the appone to go get another.

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Speaker 1: Sell like fifty copy, five copies exactly. Yeah. The publishing

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Speaker 1: industry is kind of like the folks. It's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: If you can sell five thousand copies, that's like.

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Speaker 1: You've made it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the book business is a real racket. But

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll do a monologue on that at some point.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: You've only have a couple more days to have a

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Speaker 3: play it as I talk over it. Where you're seeing

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Speaker 3: there is a Bergen County, New Jersey. So yeah, you

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Speaker 3: can just see linking lights that are in the sky.

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Speaker 3: At least some of these drones were originally thought to

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Speaker 3: But many of these images that have been coming out

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Speaker 3: have now been observed again all over the state, multiple

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Speaker 3: Obviously that's a bit concerning because that's where President elect

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's New Jersey golf courses as well. But in reality,

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Speaker 3: you're also seeing these drones which appear to have lights

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Speaker 3: and to be flying in groups as well, not only there,

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Speaker 1: Multiple US military installations.

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Speaker 3: And I will get to the confirming of that in

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Speaker 3: As we said, there's been multiple days now investigation into

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Speaker 3: but there's just literally not enough small passenger aircraft, especially

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Speaker 3: to know that this is explicitly not what they are,

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Speaker 3: so they are something, right. We know that they're not,

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Speaker 3: at least according to United as Military, they're not US

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Speaker 3: But what we do know are some shotgun comments here

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: I don't blame people for being frustrated. Let me say

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Speaker 6: most importantly right up front, we see no evidence. And

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Speaker 6: I say this includes Homeland Security, FBI, Secret Service, our

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Speaker 6: Having said that, it's really frustrating that we don't have

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Speaker 6: forty nine sightings. I think twenty of them were over

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Speaker 3: Why is it hard to get answers?

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Speaker 6: These are apparently very as I understand it, very sophisticated.

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Speaker 6: And you know, we're obviously most concerned about sensitive targets

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Speaker 6: his homes here. This is something we're taking deadly seriously.

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Speaker 6: We've gotten good cooperation out of the FEDS. But we

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Speaker 6: need more and that's that was my plate. How much

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Speaker 6: lower as I don't know, but if we have news,

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Speaker 6: I'll come. I'll let you know. The minute we know something.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to hide it under a bushel because you.

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Speaker 7: Governor you have I'm gonna have people saying, you know,

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Speaker 7: I saw a drone and or I was spraying something,

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Speaker 7: or I saw a drone crash in my yard and

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Speaker 7: set it off in alarm when I tried to go

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of fear. Yeah, New Jersey residents on you.

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Speaker 1: What is your message?

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Speaker 6: Well, the message I just gave. But by the way,

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Speaker 6: we're not aware of any nefarious drone that has crashed,

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Speaker 6: or if there is one that's crashed, could someone please

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Speaker 1: This is a pattern.

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Speaker 3: This is a recognizable pattern, multiple incidents. It fits with

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Speaker 9: You're telling me, we don't know what the hell these

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Speaker 4: That's madness that we don't know what these drones are.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 9: Well, here's the real deal, Harris.

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Speaker 10: You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee, on the

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Speaker 10: It's off the East coast of the United States of America.

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Speaker 10: Been some really glorified hobbyist or hobbyists that we're doing

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Speaker 3: Number two mothership really the Iranian Navy, the vaunted blue

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Speaker 3: So it's like and then that mothership phones are allowed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead and color me skeptical. These are very

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very responsible, very respectable listen. I mean, and by

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Speaker 3: There's not a single scrap of evidence to back up

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Speaker 1: That's how he said. That's all he said.

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Speaker 5: Nothing authoritative has ever followed. I serve on the transportation.

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Speaker 5: Let anybody from New Jersey on the TRANSFEAH is appalling,

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Speaker 3: So then finally we get a Pentagon press conference where

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Speaker 1: There is not any truth to that.

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Speaker 3: There is no Iranian ship off the coast of the

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Speaker 3: This is from New Jersey Media. I mean they exhaustively

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Speaker 3: And what they said is, quote, we are aware of

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Speaker 5: Unidentified object that was flying above the naval Unidentified flying object.

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Speaker 1: So you can call them, let's just call them UFO.

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Speaker 3: flying all over the most part one of the most

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Speaker 3: populated and dense areas in the entire United States. Ignite

443
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Speaker 3: a local panic. You have the governor of the state

444
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Speaker 3: of New Jersey. I think the mayors of every town

445
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 3: in New Jersey convened yesterday for a meeting. Many of

446
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 3: the mayors came away from it, some of them had

447
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 3: drove up to three hours, and we're like, we didn't

448
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 3: learn anything from this. They basically just said the same thing,

449
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 3: we have no idea what's happening here this legislators, Yeah,

450
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 3: that's what they said. State legislators said, I don't know,

451
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 3: you know, we have no clue about what's happening here.

452
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 3: That they keep saying that we need more federal resources

453
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Speaker 3: to tell us what's happening.

454
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Speaker 5: And interestingly, the President has been briefed, Yes, we Okay,

455
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Speaker 5: the president has a limited amount of time, and this

456
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Speaker 5: president has extra limited amount of time.

457
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Speaker 1: He's got tend.

458
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Speaker 3: Nothing right, that's going to take photos at Christmas parties.

459
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 3: That's about what he's got.

460
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Speaker 1: This roads to his level. We've got I believe it's

461
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Speaker 1: a seven. Yeah, a seven. Let's go and play it.

462
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Speaker 12: So we are certainly aware the president is where so

463
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Speaker 12: we're closely tracking and the activity and coordinating closely with

464
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Speaker 12: relevant agency including DHS and FBI to continue to investigate

465
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Speaker 12: these incidents. Don't have anything beyond that to share.

466
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Speaker 9: Obviously, this is.

467
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Speaker 12: Something that DHS and FBI are tracking very very closely,

468
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Speaker 12: and so I would have to refer you to them directly.

469
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Speaker 1: There you go.

470
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Speaker 3: The president has been brief they are monitoring the situation.

471
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Speaker 3: You take it for whatever you will.

472
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Speaker 1: You know. That's that's all we've got so far, folks.

473
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Speaker 3: And you know, even as I continue to scour, I

474
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 3: don't see the national media really taking this seriously at all.

475
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: But if you consider it at a base and this

476
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: is part of the reason why many lawmakers who when

477
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 3: you strip apart the stigma and people calling you crazy,

478
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: at a baseline level, it's crazy to have things that

479
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: are flying around in your airspace and you don't know

480
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Speaker 3: what they are, as we multiple congressmen and others have

481
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Speaker 3: said they said, we have reports of these things over

482
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 3: US military installations. We have reports of them interfering with equipment.

483
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 3: We have reports of sailors and airmen who have no

484
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: idea what to do, They're afraid, or they just simply

485
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 3: you know, it's a threat to them because things are

486
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Speaker 3: going around in your airspace without any knowledge of it.

487
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Speaker 3: And this is perhaps the most high profile example that

488
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Speaker 3: we've had in years now of something that is like

489
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Speaker 3: this happening. It's already the national media, I think, is

490
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: trying to memory hol it, and I think the main

491
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: reason why is it's embarrassing and it's difficult right when

492
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 3: to tell a story and just have of I don't know,

493
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Speaker 3: nobody knows, but anytime completely, you know, they have zero idea.

494
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Speaker 1: All we have our little little data point.

495
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Speaker 5: If they are unidentified objects flying over the remains of

496
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Speaker 5: Evanna Trump like that's important.

497
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you joke, but this is the

498
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Speaker 3: president of Lexical Compound. Yeah, I think he's going to

499
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: be there for Christmas something like that, or.

500
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Speaker 1: Let possibly he's in New York today.

501
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 3: I know that at the New York Stock Exchange, So

502
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 3: what does that mean, probably will be stopping off at Bedminster.

503
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Speaker 3: And then you have these drones that are flying around

504
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: that are up there. We have US military installations that

505
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening in daval air stations. You have

506
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: reports here from the governor of the state. And then

507
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Speaker 3: you had so many incidents that happened just last night

508
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Speaker 3: apparently where multiple other residents and others are reporting them

509
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Speaker 3: to authority. So if you see anything going on, if

510
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: you see anything, just let us know. If you can

511
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: post the video, report it to your local authorities, and

512
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 3: we'll continue to monitor the situations.

513
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Speaker 1: Totally crazy stuff. All right, Let's move on to inflation.

514
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: This is a really crazy story, Ryan, and potentially it

515
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: could be you know, it's going to be an issue

516
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: there for Donald Trump. This is one of the main

517
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Speaker 3: reasons why he won the presidency. Let's put this up

518
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 3: there on the screen. Quote unquote, Strengthening inflation poses challenge

519
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: for Trump and for the Fed. So inflation actually ticked

520
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: up this month two point seven percent.

521
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Speaker 1: Quote assigned to that path to.

522
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Speaker 3: Bringing down price pressures remains bumpy quote unquote progress on

523
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Speaker 3: bringing down inflation stalled in November, CPI ticked up two

524
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Speaker 3: point seven percent increase. But it's the prices of consumer

525
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: goods that are really jacking things up right now. Quote,

526
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 3: everything from cars to living room furniture excluding food and

527
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: energy increase at the fastest month over month pace in

528
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Speaker 3: a year and a half, largely led by a jump

529
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Speaker 3: in vehicle prices. That was partly because drivers were replacing

530
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: damaged cars and trucks after recent devastating hurricanes. But also

531
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Speaker 3: the rise is notable because the prices for many goods

532
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Speaker 3: had been falling for about a year through August and

533
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: now appears to have been reversed. One of the ways

534
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: that you can really look into this is that it's

535
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Speaker 3: in the core areas in terms of making everyday life

536
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Speaker 3: more expensive. Whenever you see the actual dig into the numbers.

537
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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there from the Washington Post, and

538
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Speaker 3: I'm going to read here this is actually really crazy.

539
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Speaker 3: So what they show is that the is that with

540
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Speaker 3: eggs and with auto insurance. In particular, food prices, which

541
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Speaker 3: weighed heavily on Americans, rose point four percent over the month,

542
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Speaker 3: but prices for meat, fish, poultry, and eggs rose one

543
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Speaker 3: point seven percent. Beef price increased three percent and are

544
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Speaker 3: up five percent on the year. Eggs are up eight

545
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Speaker 3: point two percent and are up forty percent on the year.

546
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Speaker 3: Gasoline up by point six percent, but still down some

547
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Speaker 3: eight percent from the year ago period. It's the auto

548
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: insurance that really stuck out to me, because what you

549
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: saw in that number, Ryan, was a thirteen point seven

550
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Speaker 3: percent or sorry, twelve point seven percent increase in auto

551
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: insurance in just a single year. And this is really

552
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Speaker 3: shocking because what it shows is that not only is

553
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Speaker 3: the price of carrying a car up significantly, but the

554
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: price of the car itself is also up significantly. And

555
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: then you consider that rates are still very high, so

556
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: the car loans themselves. So you now have a situation

557
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: where average car payment is going to rocket up from

558
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Speaker 3: the price of the car, the rate of the car,

559
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Speaker 3: and now the physical carrying cost with auto insurance. And

560
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Speaker 3: one of the really sad parts about this is I

561
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Speaker 3: talked a lot about this in terms of families, is

562
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: that you know, now used to be like you had

563
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Speaker 3: your sixteen year old kid. Everyone is annoyed because oh

564
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: it jumped from one hundred and twenty to four hundred

565
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: dollars or something. Nowadays, you would be praying and wishing

566
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Speaker 3: for a four hundred dollars insurance payment just for you

567
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: and your wife, all right, for you and your husband.

568
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Speaker 3: Nowadays it's like five hundred dollars, two two thousand dollars

569
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Speaker 3: of what that jump is.

570
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely shocking.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the days where the sixteen year old, Like when

572
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Speaker 5: I was sixteen, you know, I scraped together seventeen hundred dollars.

573
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Speaker 5: I got five hundred dollars from a car accident I

574
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Speaker 5: was in and I was working at.

575
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Speaker 1: A side job flush yeah, yeah, combined and was for

576
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Speaker 1: seventeen hundred bucks.

577
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Speaker 5: Was able to get a hont A cord used as hell,

578
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Speaker 5: And that was very normal, yes, even for lower income people,

579
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Speaker 5: for teenagers be able to And then yeah, the insurance

580
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 5: is a little more because you're a terrible driver, and

581
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 5: it should be more because sure you're a danger on

582
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Speaker 5: the roads just as much as a ninety five year old,

583
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Speaker 5: maybe even more so.

584
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Speaker 1: But it was affordable.

585
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 5: This is getting this is getting unaffordable for the average

586
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Speaker 5: middle class family at this point.

587
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Speaker 1: And we counterpoints.

588
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 5: We were flagging this more than a year ago, and

589
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 5: actually a piece you read there is a nice little vindication.

590
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Speaker 1: We can put it up there.

591
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Speaker 5: People that were dunking on me about pointing out all

592
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 5: the storming storms and the floods were driving a significant

593
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: amount of the auto insurance becris. People like, what, that's crazy,

594
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 5: that's impossible. No, dude, what do you think happens when

595
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 5: you get much more hail than used to get.

596
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: Hail destroys cars.

597
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: That's a couple thousand bucks to get that fixed.

598
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 5: Maybe flooding more than that, Yes, because it's doing it's

599
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 5: destroying the whole body. Flooding your carget, your car gets

600
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 5: filled with water. How much do you think that costs

601
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 5: to get fixed?

602
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: Look?

603
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 5: Western North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, George, Louisiana, Like all of

604
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 5: these places getting whacked with storms. And that's before we're

605
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 5: talking about all the all the tornadoes and the and

606
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: as costs of cars rise, then the cost of fixing

607
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 5: them rises. Yes, And there is also then and this

608
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 5: needs this requires a lot more investigation. But there is

609
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 5: a something Dave Dan's outlet would be good at looking into.

610
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll team up with him on that. Private equity

611
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: is like buying.

612
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 5: Up a whole bunch of car and rolling up the

613
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 5: auto repair industry. And so what private equity does when

614
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 5: they when they buy up, say medical facilities, they figure

615
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: out how to upcode to insurance companies and medicare, and

616
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 5: all of a sudden they're extracting a whole lot more

617
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 5: money out of these insurance companies, whether it's medicare or

618
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 5: private insurance. They're doing the same thing with auto insurance,

619
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 5: and so they're figuring out, how do we maximize what

620
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 5: we can get out of this insurance company. Meanwhile, the

621
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Speaker 5: car makers themselves are making everything automated. So every time

622
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: you roll in now and you've got you know, you

623
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 5: might have your tire pressure might be low in the

624
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: old days, like just a couple of years ago, you go.

625
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: And you fill up, you fill up your tire.

626
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: Now they're like, we got to run the system because

627
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 5: we've got to do something about that code. And that's

628
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 5: like a hundred bucks interesting, And then they find something

629
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Speaker 5: else and it's like auto mechanics have always been good

630
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 5: at figuring out ways to charge you more, but private

631
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: equity takes that to an exponential new level, right, and

632
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 5: it's just and then the insurance company is like, okay,

633
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 5: well we're raising prices by thirteen percent.

634
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: Price is actually shocking because put that New York Times

635
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: tear sheet up there on the screen.

636
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a little bit from this B three please.

637
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: So what they talk about in here is about the

638
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: quote era of the twenty thousand dollars family car insurance bill.

639
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: And they quote one particular woman who said that she

640
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: called to add her sixteen year old to her car insurance.

641
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: She drives a twenty eighteen Subaru, and the representative casually

642
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: informed her her annual premium would go from seventeen hundred

643
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: to over five thousand dollars. They say, quote, it turns

644
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: out she has it pretty good. There are plenty of

645
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: families with three or four children whose annual premiums will

646
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: top twenty thousand dollars this year. That can be enough

647
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: to replace one of the cars that the entire policy covers.

648
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: Quote how can this be?

649
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: It's the insurance industry, which means it's complicated, unpredictable, and

650
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: more or less especially because you literally have to have

651
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: insurance to be able to drive.

652
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

653
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: One other vicious cycle that's going on here. Yeah, and

654
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 5: you see this all over the country. People are confronting

655
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 5: this The more that prices rise, the more unaffordable it becomes.

656
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 5: The more people are uninsured, Yes, because they can't pay,

657
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 5: just can't make the bills.

658
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: I was about to get to that, and then boom,

659
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: uninsured people. That raises the tub.

660
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Speaker 3: We have a critical mass of uninsured population. Some of

661
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Speaker 3: it is immigration related, apparently, that's what a lot of

662
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: people are speculating around the large number of people who

663
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: are here illegally and largely drive.

664
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Speaker 1: Without a legit analysis. It's true.

665
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just at a basic level, you have

666
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: a twenty million people who are illegally ten million people

667
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 3: are probably driving, all of them legally, are uninsured because

668
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: that's what this is admitted by them and by social

669
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: scientists and others. So if you're getting to a car accident,

670
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: that's number one. Number two, that's tail as old as time.

671
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: In Texas, everybody in Texas got a story getting rear

672
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: ended by a guy and he's like, oh, sorry, you know,

673
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: insurance drives away.

674
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll pay some cash, you know whatever.

675
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: This has been going on for twenty five since I

676
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: was since I was a kid, I remember hearing stories

677
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: about this. Now the whole country gets to experience what

678
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: we in Texas got to grow up with second though,

679
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: is the rise actually, and this is why I think

680
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: you can't just blame it all on immigration. A lot

681
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: of this has to do with cars. And I didn't

682
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: think about this, but the nicer the cars become, the

683
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: more expensive they are to fix. And what I mean

684
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: by that is that even the baseline models of a

685
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: lot of cars these days, they've got you know, the

686
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: rear end sensors and all that stuff. Well, it used

687
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: to be when you crash or let's say somebody sideswipes

688
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: you and they hit your side, Okay, you just have

689
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: to replace the piece of metal.

690
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: You go to it. Now that's why I used to

691
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: just go to a jug yard exactly.

692
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: You have the famous you know, you have the what

693
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: the door that doesn't match everything else looks like shit,

694
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: but whatever. But now you have that it needs a

695
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: sensor and it has that and it is wired to

696
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: the computer. And so whenever that happens, you actually have

697
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: to replace like three or four different things.

698
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: Also electric vehicles.

699
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: There is there's a famous story of a Rivian like

700
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: a Rivian got involved in a rear end or something,

701
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: and it costs forty thousand dollars to fix, because it's

702
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: not just the sensors. It was something about the way

703
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: that the car itself is configured, and they needed a

704
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: brand new pay.

705
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: You might as well totaled it to me, honest.

706
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: But that's the point is that in basic fender benders

707
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: and other small accidents, is that as the cars get nicer,

708
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: first of all more expensive, but second really is nicer,

709
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: more complex.

710
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 5: With a lot more and sensors, the way they crumple. Right,

711
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 5: So this crumpling is good for the human, yes, bad

712
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: for the bad.

713
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 11: For the car.

714
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different things that are going

715
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: on in terms of that. Second is also something that

716
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: was flagged to me by somebody in the insurance industry.

717
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. I don't

718
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: know how much of this is true. This could be

719
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: coped by them, but I thought I would mention it anyways.

720
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: It says quote the big impact of quote unquote social

721
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: inflation on small and mid size commercial auto insurans. And

722
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: it says the term social inflation brings to mind jury

723
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: trials and multimillion dollar verdicts, often claims for involving serious

724
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: injury for the claimant, but the effects of social inflation

725
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: go beyond these headline grabbing cases. The whole dynamic of

726
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: social inflation that leads to verdicts has trickled down effects

727
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: that can impact any claim, including basic auto injury for

728
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: something as benigned as a sprain ankle. This means that

729
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: even small and mid sized companies with relatively small autoliability

730
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: exposure can and do pay the price. Commercial auto a

731
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 3: claim severity has now risen seventy two percent since twenty thirteen,

732
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: with a median annual increase of six point three. Economic

733
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: and social inflation are big culprits behind the increase, contributing

734
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: to some ninety six billion if increase in the combined

735
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: claim payouts for US personal and commercial auto liability in

736
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: the last decade.

737
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: So what that means is that there's also I mean,

738
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, lawyers and all.

739
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: These other people talk about it too, that a lot

740
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: of the tort reform and there's a lot of lawyers

741
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: who obviously pray not just okay, so they justify it

742
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: by representing people against auto companies whatever.

743
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Don't I don't know the whole story. I'm sure there's

744
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: something in between.

745
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: The point is is that you have a lot of

746
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: claimants with insurance route by the way right now is rampant.

747
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: By the way, get a dash cam. If you're out there,

748
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: got a dash camp. It's important. It could save you

749
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: a lot of money sometime in the future. So there's

750
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: a famous video going around right now of a guy

751
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: who slams his car rear ends his car into somebody.

752
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: The only reason she isn't held liable is because she

753
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: has a dash camp showing that the other guy clearly

754
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: is at fault. So insurance fraud and personal injury lawyers

755
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: and all these other people are milking the auto insurance companies.

756
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: A lot of those judgments are trickling down. You have

757
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 3: the illegal immigrant situation, You've also got these more expensive

758
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: car situation, and you've got the storms. So it does

759
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: seem like it was a perfect storm quote unquote of events. Also,

760
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 3: I think a lot of claims were new on December,

761
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: so that's another reason why this particular month was very high.

762
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: But I feel for people out there.

763
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: Man, if you got three kids or something like that

764
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: and you're paying fifteen twenty grand a year in car insurance,

765
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: that's crazy, especially if you, Oh, Man, if you live

766
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: in Florida, your home insurance rate if you're lucky to

767
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: have it jacked up your auto insurance rate.

768
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: Crazy if you live in California.

769
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: Apparently California just instituted some new regulations about mandatory coverage

770
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: for every person with increasing the amount that you legally

771
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: have to have for your coverage, which again drives the

772
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: price up. So there's a huge confluence of events, but

773
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 3: the bottom line is always the same as that it's

774
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: harder to just be an everyday American.

775
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just sucks.

776
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: I can't I cannot imagine paying twenty thousand dollars a

777
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 3: year for car insurance. That's crazy, It's absolutely crazy.

778
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 5: Might need a national car insurance at some point, I

779
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 5: don't know.

780
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you need something singlet You've got to figure

781
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: out a way to get you know, because you know

782
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: these This is, as we said, the basics.

783
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: It's the carrying cost.

784
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: Because if you go from a situation of oh, about

785
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: a fifteen dollars saved up a lot of money, fifteen

786
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year, fifteen thousand dollars car, which is

787
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: not it used to be expensive. Nowadays it's bigger and

788
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: barely go and buy you anything. Probably something used with

789
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: seventy thousand miles or something on it, maybe even one

790
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: hundred thousand. So you buy that car, but now the

791
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: carrying cost of said car, with car payment and with

792
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: insurances now goes very very high. So the burn rate

793
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: of the average balance sheet for an American just makes

794
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: it very, very difficult. If you're the average income on

795
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: seventy five thousand dollars a year household, good luck. I honestly,

796
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: I don't know how I have two cars. Then almost

797
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: impossible do whatever you have.

798
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 5: Help with grocery prices, oh right, if that's if that's

799
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: fifty percent more than it was a few years ago,

800
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: you're getting killed, even if you got the best coupons

801
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: for food line that you can find.

802
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: It's very sad, it really is. It makes me sad.

803
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what.

804
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: It's like for people who are out there, maybe with

805
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: a couple of kids or whatever. Maybe you decide to

806
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: have to downside to one car downside, so you quote

807
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: unquote one car for one family.

808
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: But that can be very difficult.

809
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: As well, you know, especially if you live in modern

810
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 3: suburb or somewhere like that. If you know, not like us,

811
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: you don't live in an urban area, and you literally

812
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: have to drive everywhere for it. This is a lot

813
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: of downstream implications, you know, in terms of why this

814
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: is all bad, so really really sad story.

815
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: Wanted to make sure that we flagged it.

816
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: Trump certainly has his work cut out for him, because

817
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: this is gonna be one of those number one things.

818
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: And honestly, that'd be one of the things that I

819
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: would focus on too.

820
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: I'd be like, we need to lower the price of

821
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: car and carrying cost for these for everybody.

822
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: It's not just homes.

823
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: It's also just very basic stuff like this, food, car, gas, home.

824
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 11: You know.

825
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: I mean, if you focus just on those four, you'd

826
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: be here. But you know, nobody in Washington likes.

827
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 11: To talk that way.

828
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: All right, So speaking of skyrocketing insurance, shall we We'll

829
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: get to Luigi Mangioni and the current developments in the

830
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: case and also the social thought. Well, I wouldn't go

831
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: that far. He didn't follow any of us, thank got that,

832
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: you know, I was.

833
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: I was a little worried about it.

834
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 5: You were like, okay, dodge that one.

835
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Well, I don't.

836
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: I don't need New York Times up my ass talk

837
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: asking me about why this guy was was a fan

838
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: or anything like that, even though we did swim in

839
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: very very similar circles. So we've got two comedians winging,

840
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan and Bill Burr with some cutting analysis with them.

841
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll get to that next. Let's take a list

842
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: of the comedians.

843
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 13: Bad und denying clams. Thirty thirty four percent denial rate,

844
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 13: so normals like sixteen. Yeah, yeah, so those guys.

845
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's gonna like be crying too.

846
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 13: Hard over that. Yeah, maybe it's family, but that's about it. Yeah,

847
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 13: it's a dirty, dirty business. The business of insurance is

848
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 13: fucking gross. It's gross, especially healthcare insurance just yeah, fucking grows.

849
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 14: Well, you know what's annoying me about this, this kid

850
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 14: who killed this ceo is none of these news programs

851
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 14: are talking about the incredible lack of empathy from the

852
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 14: general public about this because of how these insurance companies

853
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 14: treat people when they are at their most vulnerable, after

854
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 14: we've all given them our money every fucking month and

855
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 14: now we finally need you, and all you do is

856
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 14: deny us. And then these pussies and all of these

857
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 14: things are taking the pictures of their CEOs off their websites.

858
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 14: You know, I gotta be honest with you. Okay, I

859
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 14: love that the fucking CEOs are fucking afraid right now.

860
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 14: You should be, by and large, you're all a bunch

861
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 14: of selfish, greedy, fucking pieces of shit, and a lot

862
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 14: of you are mass murderers. You just don't pull the trigger.

863
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 14: That's why it looks clean. That's why these people look,

864
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 14: Oh my god, Oh he was just you know, walking

865
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 14: into a hotel. It's like, okay, well, what was his job,

866
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 14: what did he do? What was the results of it?

867
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: Whoo Bill, my god, the beeps couldn't even keep up

868
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: with Oh.

869
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was interesting, you know, got I mean, look,

870
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: it's funny. I knew that the comedians were going to

871
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: have a field day with this one, But with Bill,

872
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: I don't even think he's joking.

873
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Completely.

874
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: You already know that there's going to be some great,

875
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: great sets that come out of this entire thing. But yeah,

876
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: he certainly is trying to capture I would guess, what's

877
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: the underground Internet mood of the country. And before we

878
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: get to Elizabeth Warren, you know, we just have to

879
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: put some of this stuff up there because you can

880
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: see that there is a ground swell out there. I'm

881
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: not endorsing it, but it is certainly out there. Let's

882
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: go ahead and put what is it, C three up

883
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: there on the screen. We play some vo of this.

884
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: People are posting wanted pictures apparently all over the city

885
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: of New York, showing the photos of CEOs of various

886
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Speaker 3: different healthcare companies.

887
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: You all so have.

888
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one up there on the screen.

889
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: You have the book the Delay, Deny, Defend Book, which

890
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: was sited on the shell casings by LUISG. Mangioni that

891
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: has surged to number three on the Amazon best seller list.

892
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 1: Next see five.

893
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: Please the jacket apparently worn by Mangioni is quote flying

894
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 3: off the shelves. This is let's see a similar green truck.

895
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 11: Yeah.

896
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, you know, this is.

897
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: Just a basic green trucker jacket. I don't really know

898
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: what's so special about it. The Sherpa line hooded jacket

899
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: from Levi's rings in at two hundred and twenty five dollars,

900
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: just quote flying off the shelves. After people speculated it

901
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: was the same coat that was worn there. I mean,

902
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: I guess you know, I'll put in a plug for

903
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: trucker jackets, specifically Levi's trucker jackets.

904
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: They can be very stylish, they are very nice.

905
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, you could see there is a lot of

906
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: hidden energy behind this, so much so that apparently people

907
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: have been offering to the lawyer of Luisiami Manioni to

908
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: pay his legal bills, something that the lawyer addressed in

909
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: an interview. Let's take a listen.

910
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 15: But but you said you were retained today. One big

911
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 15: question that everyone has is are you being paid by

912
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 15: his family to represent him?

913
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 9: Yeah? I'm not going to comment on that.

914
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 15: Well, can you say that it's not his family who

915
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 15: is who is asking you to retain him or to

916
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 15: retain you to represent him.

917
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 16: I'm not going to comment on I'm not going to

918
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 16: comment on that. That's I've been retained. I'm not court appointed.

919
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 16: I've been retained, and that's all I can tell you.

920
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 15: We had seen reports earlier that that there was, you know,

921
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 15: people were inundating you with with offers to help pay

922
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 15: for his his legal bills.

923
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 9: Is that accurate?

924
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 16: I I have she's some emails. I have not seen

925
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 16: him personally, but my understanding from my staff is people

926
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Speaker 16: are are doing that.

927
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 15: The people are reaching out to you and offering to

928
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 15: help pay for his legal bills.

929
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 9: That's correct. Do you would you.

930
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 15: Accept those offers? I mean, I imagine you maybe have. I

931
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Speaker 15: don't know, have you ever gotten that before?

932
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Speaker 9: Nah?

933
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Speaker 7: Nah?

934
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Speaker 9: Be honestly, I probably wouldn't.

935
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Speaker 4: Why do you think you would not accept that?

936
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Speaker 9: I don't know. I just don't. I don't know.

937
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 16: I just don't feel comfortable about that.

938
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Speaker 9: So I don't know. I haven't given that much thought.

939
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 9: But I'm not looking, you know.

940
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Speaker 16: I mean, I you know, obviously my client appreciates the

941
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Speaker 16: support that he has, but I don't know.

942
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 9: I just it I had that look in but it

943
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 9: just doesn't sit right with me.

944
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 11: Really.

945
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 3: I love how non plus this guy is the entire

946
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: injury refuses to look at the camera.

947
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Speaker 1: Short answers, yeah, exactly.

948
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Speaker 3: It's like all the worst things you could possibly ask

949
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: for in a television guest is to doing of not

950
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: giving anything clear. So what do you think you think

951
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: the family's paying him? I think so, yeah, you got

952
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: I would think so. I mean, they're super wealthy, right,

953
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: you know.

954
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: But let the public pay if they pay maybe.

955
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: But then that's the other question, is that did somebody

956
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: reach out and to preemptively, you know, retain cat I.

957
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 5: Would as the family he went to Gilman, which is

958
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 5: like the one of the most expensive schools in the

959
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 5: Maryland area.

960
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Question, yeah, you could know.

961
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: I mean that's already been coming out, is that his

962
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: own family has been very wealthy. They own a bunch

963
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: of golf courses apparently or whatever. And then what do

964
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: they own golf courses?

965
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: They his brother's a GOP state his cousin, his cousin

966
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: was a GOP state legislator.

967
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Speaker 3: So clearly they're influential, apparently very well known in the

968
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Speaker 3: Baltimore area, the Manngioni family.

969
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, Ryan, what do you think.

970
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the first, the first politician to really kind

971
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: of channel some of this, and she's getting a lot

972
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: of backlash, is Elizabeth Warren. Okay, I think this This

973
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 5: is a really interesting interview. And when you watch this interview,

974
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 5: bear in mind the cliche in politics that they say

975
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 5: everything that comes before the butt doesn't actually matter what

976
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 5: it's what comes after the butt. And that's why people

977
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 5: are like, oh, interesting, let's roll old base Elizabeth Warren.

978
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 10: Here.

979
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 17: What happens when you turn this into the billionaires run

980
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 17: at all is they get the opportunity to squeeze every

981
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 17: last penny. And look, we'll say it over and over,

982
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 17: violence is never the answer. This guy gets a trial

983
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 17: who's allegedly killed the CEO of United Health. But you

984
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 17: can only push people so far and then they start

985
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 17: to take matters soon it's her own hands.

986
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she's agel anti justice her whole career.

987
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 5: She's been going after CEOs more than probably any other

988
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 5: democratic ar. She did walk it back, though, has she

989
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 5: already walked it back?

990
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: Of course she's already walked.

991
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: Well, you knew that, you knew that was bad, et cetera. Yeah,

992
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: I mean, look, they're all trying to thread the needle,

993
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: which I kind of find amusing, especially well for them

994
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: and take It's like, oh, how do we do this?

995
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we don't want to endoors violence.

996
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: And she pushed the needl the furthest time. Do you

997
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: think so?

998
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 6: Yeah?

999
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, where you say, look, I don't support murder, but

1000
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 5: but but you can only.

1001
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: Push people so far, push people like that so far.

1002
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: That's about as far as a politician is going to

1003
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: take it.

1004
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 11: That's fair.

1005
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: I think that that is a certain and.

1006
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 5: Was certainly expected that that politician would then be forced

1007
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: to walk that back.

1008
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 3: We also have a hilarious clip so good that has

1009
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: come out of Luigi Mangioni's fellow prisoners who were able

1010
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: to shout at a cameraman for News Nation. Now as

1011
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: you and I were discussing, why are they playing News

1012
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: Nation in prison? Of all the yeah, of all the

1013
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: networks that's out there, NewsNation, but in prison.

1014
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 5: The context here is that Jesse Waters, apparently the most

1015
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 5: out of touch man in the entire United States, said

1016
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 5: that United Health CEO Brian Thompson's allies behind bars would

1017
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 5: give Luigia rough time. Yes, he was going to be

1018
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 5: really in for it because obviously inmates love nothing more

1019
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 5: than health insurancey.

1020
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, and.

1021
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 5: So his theory was actually put to the test as

1022
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: he's in a Pennsylvania prison here.

1023
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: So here Pennsylvania prisoners who are shouting back and forth

1024
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: with the News Nation camera crew about the conditions and

1025
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: other things inside the prison.

1026
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1027
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 18: This is just from a few hours ago, and here

1028
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 18: they are ten o'clock, as promised they said earlier today.

1029
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 18: Tell Ashley Banfield that Luigi is watching at ten o'clock.

1030
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 18: I mean, obviously, you know, that's just a hard roast

1031
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 18: at this point because they're not near Luigi in any way.

1032
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 19: Can I just ask the guys if they can hear

1033
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 19: me right now to answer yes or no very loud?

1034
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 19: Does Luigi have television in his single cell?

1035
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 3: No?

1036
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 20: They said no, Right, Obviously we have a little bit

1037
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 20: of a delay that they're getting. Yeah, they're getting the

1038
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 20: questions and they're and they're giving us the answer to me,

1039
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 20: he does not have Wow, this is quite something. This

1040
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 20: is the strangest interview I've ever conducted.

1041
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 18: Me too, Ashley. Uh, you know, according to the Department

1042
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 18: of Corrections, he's got his own solitary cell. It's not

1043
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 18: solitary confinement, but he's by himself. It's not dorm style.

1044
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 18: I'm not sure exactly what those guys got going on

1045
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 18: in terms of a living situation. It sounds like they're

1046
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 18: all clustered together. Isn't it interesting to see with the

1047
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 18: accommodations that they have. They got their own light switches.

1048
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 18: They're obviously watching TV any sort of ten o'clock curfew,

1049
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 18: you know, Yeah, they're they're doing at this very moment.

1050
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: That is pretty extraordinary. Also, what kind of facility. Is

1051
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: this guys can just yell out, you know, it's like cav.

1052
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 4: I mean, this is this a jail?

1053
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 13: Ye?

1054
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so this is this is most American prisons.

1055
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 5: So basically those dudes are in a common room. The

1056
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 5: windows are open. Probably they in fact, maybe they have

1057
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 5: the windows open and the heat on just just to

1058
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 5: make it miserable from both directions. But so it seems

1059
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Speaker 5: like all those guys are in the common room, it's

1060
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 5: you know, it's not yet time, you know, time to

1061
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 5: go back and sell and go to sleep. So they

1062
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 5: all sit around there and they and they're watching television news. Yeah,

1063
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 5: and they had like as you saw there, they had

1064
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 5: told they had yelled out the window to the crew,

1065
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 5: tell Ashley, we're gonna be watching at ten pm. Then

1066
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: sure enough they were there for their appointment at ten

1067
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: ten pm and communicating back and forth.

1068
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Speaker 1: You love to see it.

1069
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 5: So I think that waters theory that Luigi's gonna be

1070
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 5: persona no grada in American prisons is not not panning

1071
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 5: out so far.

1072
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: So I was speculating because so first of all, this

1073
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Speaker 1: is jail.

1074
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Speaker 5: Maybe he thought he was going to Dan. Maybe maybe

1075
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Speaker 5: Waters thought he was going to Dan.

1076
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Speaker 1: Berry, Dan Berry. That's in Connecticut.

1077
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Speaker 5: That's that's the that's the Connecticut one where all the

1078
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Speaker 5: rich people there.

1079
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Speaker 1: Luigi might have a problem, that's right, he certainly.

1080
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 3: Maybe you'd have more problem in the federal system, which

1081
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: is probably more phill filled with with criminals, white collar

1082
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: criminals and others. But if convicted, right, he would be

1083
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: in the New York State penitentiary system. We were speculating

1084
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: as to whether he'd be sent to that Dana Mora

1085
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: prison from the show Escape at Dana Mora with other

1086
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: violent criminals in the New York state system all the

1087
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: way up I think in upstate New York. But yeah,

1088
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Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see what happens to him. It's going

1089
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: to be, as we said, it's going to be the

1090
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: trial of the century. I think we can at.

1091
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: Least guy's never gonna have to buy a cigarette, he thinks. So,

1092
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: he thinks, so all right, yeah, maybe we're right.

1093
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: Maybe, But are people going to remember in twenty years

1094
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 3: how long is he going to get if he gets convicted?

1095
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 5: Well, I mean also he's going to be so he's

1096
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 5: got back pain and to be in prison, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: that's rough.

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Speaker 3: And he also, I mean look, we I still don't

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Speaker 3: know what he's gonna pleade. He could be he still

1100
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Speaker 3: could plead not guilty by reason of insanity, especially.

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Speaker 4: Not guilty by reason of just finding not guilty.

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Speaker 1: Certainly it could happen. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think so, just because of the

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Speaker 3: way that I mean, people have tried that before, right

1105
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 3: in terms of like, oh I was justified in the crime.

1106
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 3: Usually the jury instructions are very narrow, so they're able

1107
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Speaker 3: to get around these. Yeah, the revolutionary time, they know

1108
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Speaker 3: how to go the FEDS and the cops. They know

1109
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 3: how to rig the system to make sure that stuff

1110
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Speaker 3: like that is not going to fly. But hey, look,

1111
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: maybe you're right, you know, speaking of that In terms

1112
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Speaker 3: of some of the questions surrounding Luigi Mangioni the Manifesto

1113
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Speaker 3: in the media's relationship, We've got Ken Clippenstein standing by.

1114
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Speaker 3: He's going to talk to us about his decision to

1115
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: publish the manifesto and why other media organizations have decided

1116
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Speaker 3: not to.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 3: Joining us now is independent journalist Ken Clippenstein. He's famous

1119
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Speaker 3: now for publishing the Luigi Mangioni Manifesto. Let's go and

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Speaker 3: put it up there on the screen on his substack,

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Speaker 3: the only journalist to actually do so. So yesterday counterpoints

1122
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: it a good job breaking the manifesto down. So maybe Ken,

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Speaker 3: we can get into the decision of your decision to

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Speaker 3: publish this manifesto and also what you discovered about the

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Speaker 3: mainstream met and why they decided not to publish it.

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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, good to be with you.

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Speaker 21: So what I learned in the course of reporting on

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Speaker 21: this and obtaining it, I didn't realize at first that

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00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 21: so many of these major media outlets, from The New

1130
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 21: York Times, the NBC, ABC, the Washington Post had their

1131
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 21: own copies of it. We're sitting on it, we're quoting

1132
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 21: selectively from it, perfectly happy to do so, but for

1133
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 21: whatever reason, they weren't willing to publish it. And what

1134
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Speaker 21: I learned after speaking with friends and other contacts at

1135
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 21: these various outlets was that there was some pressure to

1136
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Speaker 21: report it, but that in the case of every one

1137
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Speaker 21: of those companies, senior management didn't want to.

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Speaker 3: Interesting all right, So when you say senior management didn't

1139
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 3: want to, was it a management decision or there was

1140
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: some speculation there was some deal with the police.

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Speaker 21: What can you tell us about that. Yeah, So there

1142
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 21: are a couple of reasons that are cited. I think

1143
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 21: it's mainly an access problem, a problem of source capture,

1144
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 21: where you get this document from law enforcement, and if

1145
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 21: you look at the reporting that's out there that initially

1146
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 21: was paraphrasing it, and I said before quoting in some

1147
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 21: cases from it, it's almost always attributed to a senior

1148
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 21: law enforcement official. That probably means the FBI, and what

1149
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 21: I was told in the case of NBC, at least

1150
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 21: there was an explicit deal with law enforcement that we

1151
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 21: give you this, you're not going to publish it. I

1152
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 21: don't know for certain that that's the case with other outlets.

1153
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Speaker 21: Yesterday I published a story based on internal chat records

1154
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Speaker 21: among the editorial staff on The New York Times in

1155
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 21: which is said, we're not going to publish it, and

1156
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 21: they made explicit reference to the wishes of their sources.

1157
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 21: So I think there's a serious problem of source capture here,

1158
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 21: which in the case of my publishing, it didn't apply

1159
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 21: to me, but applied to basically all these major outlets.

1160
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 21: So I think there's a really important critique of media here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a thing that happens between and it's

1162
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 5: when you go, as Ken knows, is called going in

1163
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 5: the front door. You go in the front door of

1164
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 5: an agency. You're going right to the people basically, and.

1165
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 4: You're saying, hey, do you have this manifesto?

1166
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: Can I have it?

1167
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 5: And when you go in the front door, they have

1168
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: the leverage because then they can say, yeah, we do

1169
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 5: have it actually, and I will give it to you.

1170
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: But the condition is you can't quote these parts or

1171
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: you can't publish it in full, but you can paraphrase

1172
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 5: or whatever.

1173
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Speaker 1: And then you're stuck.

1174
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 5: Okay, I can either you agree to these terms and

1175
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 5: get something, or what you do is you go find

1176
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 5: other sources, you go in back doors, or you go

1177
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Speaker 5: inside doors. What I was curious about there are a

1178
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: couple of times in the manifesto where it says indecipherable.

1179
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 5: Did you get a printed a print version of it

1180
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 5: and it already said indecipherable? Or could you yourself not

1181
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 5: decipher the handwriting?

1182
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 21: So what law enforcement did was they were circulating their

1183
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 21: own copy of it because it's based on handwritten notes.

1184
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: May they typed up a version see exactly? So nobody

1185
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: has the original handwritten version.

1186
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 21: Yet I'm not sure that they don't have a photo

1187
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 21: of it some you know somewhere. But what was interesting

1188
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 21: about it was when law enforcement circulated this, it wasn't

1189
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 21: just the kind of senior national security reporters. It ended

1190
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 21: up being shared with a bunch of people at these outlets,

1191
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 21: I think, which I think undermines their whole argument that,

1192
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 21: you know, if people see this thing suddenly, like the

1193
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 21: Manchurian candidate, there's going to be an activation. It's an

1194
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 21: activation word that's just going to turn everyone into homicidal maniacs. Somehow,

1195
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 21: that doesn't apply to the media or their friends that

1196
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 21: they were sharing this stuff with, because I you know,

1197
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 21: I had heard that there were people not at all

1198
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 21: related to law enforcement or the story or national security

1199
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Speaker 21: that were just socially like, oh hey, check this out,

1200
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Speaker 21: you want this, And it's just the public. It's just

1201
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 21: the general public that can't see it. The media was

1202
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 21: all sharing with each other.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm curious with here, then, Ken is I

1204
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: know that you had some reporting about inside of New

1205
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: York Times also about them not publishing a photo of

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Speaker 3: Luigi MANGIONI.

1207
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us what's up with that?

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00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 21: Yeah, so I got internal chat records of their editorial

1209
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 21: decision making, They had a for they had they had

1210
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 21: a directive from senior management that was sent out to

1211
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Speaker 21: the reporter saying, hey, let's quote dial down our use

1212
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 21: of photos of this guy, not not use a picture

1213
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 21: of his face in the In the statement I quoted

1214
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 21: in the story said something like we're not sure about

1215
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 21: the ongoing newsworthiness of this or something. And then the

1216
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 21: next morning they have a picture of him being marched

1217
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 21: to his arraignment and it's just his back.

1218
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Speaker 11: He's completely it's just like his debt. It was comical

1219
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 11: and it was like so childish.

1220
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 21: And I know that people at the Times are frustrated

1221
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 21: about this because again, something I want to stress when

1222
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 21: I critique the you know, major media, these are not monolists.

1223
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 21: There are people, there are good people in them that

1224
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 21: do good work and that don't agree with, you know,

1225
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 21: the dictates of senior management. But in this case, that's

1226
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 21: what the Time said, and I think it relates to

1227
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 21: the exact same thing we're talking about a moment ago,

1228
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Speaker 21: which is source capture.

1229
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 11: Law enforcement doesn't like that.

1230
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Speaker 21: They want to control the narrative, and look at how

1231
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 21: they've quoted from this story and used it to paint

1232
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 21: a certain picture of this guy. I give you very

1233
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 21: CNN had a segment where they were like, yep.

1234
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Speaker 1: The.

1235
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 21: Manifesto, it gives you a really clear idea that this

1236
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 21: guy's nuts, he's got some really serious psychiatric issues. And

1237
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 21: then we're not going to tell you probably know that,

1238
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 21: and we're not going to give you a passage that

1239
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 21: illustrates that, but just trust us.

1240
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 11: That's what it shows.

1241
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 21: And so it's very beneficial to law enforcement to be

1242
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 21: able to construct their own narrative and shape the public

1243
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 21: consciousness around what exactly happened when they don't give them

1244
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 21: the underlying documents. And that's the case now with the

1245
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 21: photograph too, because I think there are kind of two

1246
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 21: arguments mad tandem, one being that, oh, like I said before,

1247
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 21: the activation code is going to cause the public to

1248
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 21: become violent, which to me is just like the nineties

1249
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 21: debate about violent video games cause of shootings. You know,

1250
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 21: I don't find it very compelling, But you have to

1251
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 21: wonder if they even believe that, because in those same chats,

1252
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 21: well that might be the pretext, oh, you know, we

1253
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 21: care so much about public safety or whatever, which I

1254
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 21: think is problematic and self The reality is that they

1255
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 21: also have relationships with their sources and law enforcement that

1256
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 21: have their own whish is who they don't want to

1257
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 21: alienate to me.

1258
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 11: So those are kind of the two reasons that I saw.

1259
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: It seems really paternalistic in the age of Twitter, in

1260
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: an election where everybody was online, this idea that they

1261
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: can control, like whether people see this guy's photo or not.

1262
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: Go on social media, it's everywhere. It's all over twit.

1263
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: You can go check his own profile, like who are

1264
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: we to tell you what not to check or whatever?

1265
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: Show's show you a photo of the guy. This is

1266
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: the photo that he put out there.

1267
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: Right. This is now.

1268
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: You know, maybe there's a bigger conversation about glorifying killers

1269
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: or not, but Ken, you and I have been here

1270
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: long enough to know that there are plenty of terrorists

1271
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: and other people who have been front page on the

1272
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: New York Times.

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00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: So what's up with this now? It's all about being selective.

1274
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly.

1275
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 21: And it just speaks to the ludicrous self egoism that

1276
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 21: these major outlets have that they think that, oh, we

1277
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 21: didn't use the photo. Everybody time to go home. We

1278
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 21: don't know what he looks like anyway. It's like, guys,

1279
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 21: the Times hasn't had that kind of power in like decades,

1280
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 21: you know, like you're not that important.

1281
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 5: And what's interesting about that decision is that The Times

1282
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 5: in recent years has become and especially their editors, have

1283
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 5: become increasingly obsessed about traffic numbers, like in a way

1284
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 5: that they didn't used to be used to be. Everybody

1285
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 5: in the snake pit was fighting over getting on a one.

1286
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 5: Now now it's about the push alert in traffic numbers

1287
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 5: and hot image like that is going.

1288
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Speaker 1: To drive traffic.

1289
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 5: And so for them to cut against their own self

1290
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 5: interest is interesting because it suggests that there are these deeper, broader,

1291
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 5: more powerful interests at play here, Like what are you

1292
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 5: hearing anything about how The Times is directing or we're

1293
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 5: talking about guiding and framing the coverage itself, like because

1294
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 5: they're trying to grapple, I guess with this upsurge of

1295
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 5: support for him while pushing it down because of their

1296
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 5: own politics exactly.

1297
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Speaker 21: And I want to stress that directive came from the top.

1298
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 21: So it was a senior editor and he was saying, hey,

1299
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 21: we just got that. I don't remember what the exact words were,

1300
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 21: but we just got this from upstairs and then they

1301
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 21: just quoted a statement.

1302
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Speaker 11: So this is clearly coming from the leadership of the paper.

1303
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 21: I don't want to give people the impression that I

1304
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 21: just found some you know, random comment from some marginal person.

1305
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 11: This is the policy of the paper.

1306
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 21: And I would encourage people to go and check out

1307
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 21: on my subseat the exact quotes so they can see

1308
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 21: that this is something that's systemic and speaks to the concerns.

1309
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 21: I mean when you get to that, I can only speculate.

1310
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 21: I don't know what's going on in the you know,

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Speaker 21: c suite of The New York Times, but I can

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Speaker 21: see what's going on in the rest of major media

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Speaker 21: on television and the public facing side, which is that

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Speaker 21: they are extremely uncomfortable about all this and they'd rather

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Speaker 21: just pretend it's not happening. I mean, in the case

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Speaker 21: of the in the case of the manifesto that I published,

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Speaker 21: you know, very shortly after, the Daily Beast confirmed its

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Speaker 21: authenticity based on their own law enforcement sources, as did

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Speaker 21: a couple of other websites. None of the major media

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Speaker 21: has said a word about it. And when I try

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Speaker 21: to get them on the record to even just tell

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Speaker 21: try to be responsible like, here's their side of the story.

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Speaker 21: Here's why they said that they don't want to publish it.

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Speaker 21: They wouldn't even respond, not one I contacted for major media. Wow,

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Speaker 21: think gets single or something. They won't even articulate a

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Speaker 21: reason for why you're not allowed to see this.

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Speaker 5: The Times published the entire Unibomber manifesto.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess they're probably a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Theoretically under under what was it? If I remember the circumstance,

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Speaker 3: it was like he was like, if you don't publish it,

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Speaker 3: then I'm going to attack somebody by the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but the irony is that that's ended up being his

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Speaker 3: demise because the only reason he got caught is because

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Speaker 3: his brother recognized the Yeah, exactly. So if anything, it's

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Speaker 3: a justified I mean again, you know, if we could

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Speaker 3: think back to the whole unibaber thing. Also, how funny

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Speaker 3: is it that he four starred the Unibomber manifesto And

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Speaker 3: let's all be honest, is manifesto is craped. It's a

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Speaker 3: totally phoned in manifesto. You can get you could say

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Speaker 3: a lot about ted, but he put a lot of

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Speaker 3: thought into that thing. Okay, it was it was long

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Speaker 3: it was a reasoned, especially volume one, Volume two, things

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Speaker 3: get a little crap, a little weird. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I think with this case Ken, in terms of other

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Speaker 3: stories and other things that you're chasing with respect to that,

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Speaker 3: you have found an extraordinary amount of support from the

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Speaker 3: public for just telling people what they want to hear,

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Speaker 3: which I think is great. You know, they want information,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying in a bad way, so like they

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Speaker 3: want information, you're giving them the information. And instead these

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Speaker 3: media outlets decide that they should be responsible for what

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Speaker 3: other people get to hear and editorialize here and there.

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Speaker 3: So can you just speak to that dynamic and how

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Speaker 3: it's actually helped your own substack now by doing this.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, this whole thing that I regard as a pretext

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Speaker 21: that oh, we're protecting the public safety and they say

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Speaker 21: other things. Did they did this when I published the

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Speaker 21: Vance Dossier as well, which is a very similar parallel

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Speaker 21: case where all these outlets had it, they wouldn't publish it.

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Speaker 21: They say things like, oh, it's not newsworthy, or hey,

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Speaker 21: our paraphrase basically told you everything in there, so what

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Speaker 21: do you need to see what's under it?

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Speaker 11: For which there's two problems with.

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Speaker 21: I mean, you know, the coverage is dominated by a

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Speaker 21: certain type of you know, person in Washington or New

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Speaker 21: York City, who, even if they're trying their best to

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Speaker 21: give the public a sense of what's relevant to their

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Speaker 21: lives in.

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Speaker 11: How are they going to know.

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Speaker 21: How is vulf Blitzer going to know what some guy

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Speaker 21: in I live in Wisconsin, who is going to be like, oh,

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Speaker 21: you know, this guy would be interested in that. He's

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Speaker 21: going to have a Washington idea of what's interesting in it.

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Speaker 21: So that's problematic in itself, But I think the bigger

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Speaker 21: issue here is the fact that they think that they've

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Speaker 21: sort of deputized themselves into being these public safety officers.

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Speaker 21: They're going to decide what's safe for the public, if

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Speaker 21: that's even what they believe, if it's not just deals

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Speaker 21: that they've cut with law enforcement, like we were talking

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Speaker 21: about before, and so in the case of in the

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Speaker 21: case of all this, I just wish there was some

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Speaker 21: kind of public discussion about they never articulate any of

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Speaker 21: their policies around these things, including around mass shooters and

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Speaker 21: whatever their policy is on publication of photos.

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Speaker 11: There's just no discussion.

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Speaker 21: It's just kind of pretend it didn't happen, which is

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Speaker 21: precisely what's happened to the manifesto. Not one of these

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Speaker 21: outlets has even I have messages I didn't publish these

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Speaker 21: saying yes, we know this is authentic. That's the real thing, guys,

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Speaker 21: just to give you a heads up, and they link

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Speaker 21: to my sub sect. They won't acknowledge that publicly. They're

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Speaker 21: just all pretending it didn't happen. It's very strange, so stupid.

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Speaker 5: Well, your your substacks blowing up as a result of it,

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Speaker 5: and that's that's great.

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Speaker 1: Great to see.

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Speaker 5: Great great scoop Ken, thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 5: as Ken Clippenstein dot com. Right, and that's where people

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Speaker 5: can get your substack, right.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, probably the only one under that name.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, and we will have a link to

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Speaker 3: it down in the description of this video. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: joining us, man, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 11: Good see you, guys,