1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, where we 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: discussed all things mental health, personal development, and all the 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: small decisions we can make to become the best possible 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy Harden Bradford, 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. To get more information 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: and resources, visit the website at Therapy for Black Girls 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: dot com. And while I hope you love listening to 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: and learning from the podcast, it is not meant to 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: be a substitute for a relationship with a licensed mental 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: health professional. Hey, y'all, welcome back for session thirty four 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: of the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. For today's episode, 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to take a deeper dive into something we 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: touched on in session seventeen, all about eating disorders. This 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: week we'll be talking about emotional eating Today. I am 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: joined by Lisa Savage. Lisa is a licensed clinical social 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: worker and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. Her 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: focus of study was on health and mental health. Most 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: of her career has been focused on the provision of 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: quality health care to underserved and impoverished communities. Miss Savage 20 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: is a strong proponent of taking services to people in 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: their communities. To that end, she began working in schools 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: and other community settings. In the past several years, she 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: has expanded her services to schools and opened the Center 24 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: for the Child Development, which focuses solely on the provision 25 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: of mental health services to children and families in the 26 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: school setting. Additionally, Miss Savage owns and manages the Delaware 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: Center for Counseling and Wellness, where the focus is on 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: helping adults in areas such as anger control, stress management, 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: emotional eating, and marriage counseling. Lisa and I chatted all 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: about why black women often engage in emotional eating, how 31 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: it's connected to trauma, and some strategies you can use 32 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: if emotional eating is something you struggle with. So thank 33 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today, Lisa, You're welcome. 34 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. So I'm excited to have you here. UM. 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: Earlier in the season, we had a psychologist on to 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: talk about UM eating disorders in general, but I did 37 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: want to get more specifically into the concept of emotional eating, 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: and I know that is one of your specialties. UM, 39 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: so I'm glad you're able to join us for this 40 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: conversation today. So can you talk with us more about 41 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: what is considered emotional eating. Yeah. Absolutely, UM. And and 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: this is a topic that I'm very passionate about because 43 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it impacts UM women in the Black 44 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: and Hispanic community a lot more than what we realize. So, 45 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: emotionally eating is the consumption of food that is in 46 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: response to an emotional state versus physical state. So some 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: physical signs of hunger UM that cause us to want 48 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: to eat our um, you know slight lightheadedness, are stummy 49 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: is growling, or we haven't eaten in a few hours. 50 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: People who are emotional eaters tend to eat in the 51 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: absence of those um physical symptoms of hunger. Emotionally eating 52 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: is again the response to eating, And what I find 53 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: is it's subconscious or unconscious eating. So, for example, a 54 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: person who sits down and consumes a bag of um eminem's, 55 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: an entire huge bag of M and m's, and then 56 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: a few minutes later goes, wow, how where did that 57 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: food go? How did I eat it? UM? To me, 58 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: that's a classic indication of a person who is UM 59 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: an emotional eater because there's very little UM thought about 60 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: the amount of consumption or even the fact that the 61 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: person is eating in a way that um is a 62 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: huge amount of food. Um So, that's kind of an 63 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: overview of what emotional eating is mean. Physical hunger is 64 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: one thing, and we typically need to nourish ourselves every 65 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: few hours, but people who are emotional eaters will eat 66 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: throughout the day with very little mindfulness about what they're 67 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: consuming and how much. So, Lisa, you mentioned in the 68 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: beginning that you feel like this really impacts black and 69 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: brown women UM in a higher level than we may realize. 70 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: Can you talk about why you think that might be. Yeah, 71 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons, so um As I'm going 72 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: about my business and I live I live in Baltimore, 73 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: I live in the city, and you'll here people talk 74 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot about how obesity is a problem in UM 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: black and Hispanic communities, and in some ways that is 76 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: very true. I think where we fall short is that 77 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: there is a little bit of and not enough research 78 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: I think on why there is this um um issue 79 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: of obesity and our kids and and our adults in 80 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: our communities. Um So, I feel like people in our communities, 81 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 1: particularly women, feel ashamed, feel embarrassed, feel shamed by having 82 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: weight problems, and they they blame themselves the the reason 83 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: I think that obesity and eating problems in our community 84 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: are huge because there is a tremendous amount of chronic 85 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: stress and UM, chronic exposure to trauma that goes on 86 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: treat it or people perceived that some of the experiences 87 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: that they go through a normal and so they don't 88 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: stop to think about the impact of some of the 89 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: experiences that they have. So for example, I work with 90 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: I work with kids, or I have a practice that 91 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: that where we work with kids, it's our specialty. And UM, 92 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: chronic stress in children literally changes the architecture of their brains. 93 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: There are some studies that have shown that in children 94 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: who are exposed to chronic stress, and I'm gonna talk 95 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: about a little bit what that looks like a minute, 96 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: but those children who have been exposed to chronic stress 97 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: in childhood, UM, even early childhood, as early as infancy, 98 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: it changes the brain that then puts them at risk 99 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: for obesity. Okay, so that's one party, and that's the 100 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: structure of the brain. UM. And so if you can 101 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: think about these kids and they're exposed to stress, and 102 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: some stressors that we identify and working with kids are violence, poverty, UM, 103 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: food and security, UM, let's say abuse of any type, 104 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, bullying. These conditions are 105 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: ongoing in a child's life. So any one of these 106 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: issues UM wouldn't is a big deal. But often what 107 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: we're seeing is children and then adults have been too 108 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: exposed to multiple UM issues of trauma and chronic stress 109 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: that then go on to impact them UM physiologically, physically 110 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: and often leads to adult physical problems, including obesity. And 111 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: so when I started UM looking further in into this, 112 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: it really helped me to transform how I look at 113 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: obesity in the Black and Hispanic communities. UM. And again, 114 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: I feel like in our society we shame people who 115 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: are overweight without really taking a look at the causes 116 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: of why people overweight. UM. So when I'm driving through 117 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: a Black community where I live and I see children 118 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 1: are overweight, one of my concerns is not so much 119 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: about the impact Obviously the impact is on these kids physically, 120 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: but also I think about the untreated trauma and chronic stress. Yeah, 121 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: and Lisa, and I think you bring up an interesting 122 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: point around UM being exposed to it so much that 123 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: you don't know that it's like not normal. And so 124 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: then if you don't know that it's not something everybody 125 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: is experiencing, then you might not get help for it, 126 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: which then results in you becoming an adult still dealing 127 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: with this untreated trauma. Yeah, I mean absolutely, it's amazing 128 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: what people experience that they consider to be normal. And 129 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: what happened is because people don't have oftentimes people don't 130 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: have and childhood, some want to say that's not normal, 131 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: that should not have happened to you, and let's talk 132 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: about it. And so people kind of go on with 133 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: their lives UM still carrying the baggage of things that 134 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: happened to them in childhood. And then what we see 135 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: is as adults depression, anxiety UM um and and emotional eating, 136 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: poor self esteem. And then when you when you add 137 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: all those together, because those are typical issues that people 138 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: who have obesity struggle with, UM, you have a really 139 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: unhappy and unhealthy person on every level. And so a 140 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: lot of the work that I'm trying to do is 141 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: to address UM these issues in children. And I work 142 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: a lot with adult women who have emotionally eating. But 143 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: I feel like if we could address these chronic stress, 144 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: the trauma um and and support kids and teach kids 145 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: how to cope with things in their lives that we 146 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: can then avoid UM physical problems. We could also avoid 147 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: UM emotional eating and therefore obesity. I read a study 148 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: recently that said thirty one percent of all adults who 149 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: are overweight UM have endured trauma. I mean, that's that's 150 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: huge to me, that's huge. Um So, I think doctors 151 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: medical doctors UM miss the boat when they don't refer 152 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: a person who has UM a problem with weight to 153 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: a therapist first. I feel like oftentimes doctors will shame 154 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: the person, blame the person, and the last thing that 155 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: they do with the person who's sitting in their office 156 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: who may have a b M I that's high is 157 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: they will say you need to lose weight. Everybody who's 158 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: overweight knows they need to lose weight, so for a 159 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: doctor said you need to lose weight kind of misses 160 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: the point. Um So. One thing that I'm doing, too 161 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: is really trying to educate doctors that if you see 162 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: children and adults in your practice who have UM problems 163 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: with weight, refer them to a therapist first and have 164 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: that person assessed. That sounds like a really good suggestion, Lisa, 165 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if you have some ideas about what 166 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: might make someone kind of use emotional eating. I mean 167 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: basically it's like a coping mechanism, right, like something that 168 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: you're doing to kind of deal with stress. What might 169 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: make a person choose emotional eating versus something else um 170 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: to cope. Yeah, that that's a great question. Um, it's 171 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: I think for some people in earlier childhood, they identify 172 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: food with feeling good, food with feeling better. UM. So 173 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: I'll work with some people who will crave um, sweet 174 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: sugary things. I think at when and when we go 175 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: back and do history with that person, what I find 176 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: is that when they were feeling badly or um or 177 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: even as a treat, sometimes parents will do this. They 178 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: will parents or or the child will soothe themselves with food. 179 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: And in most instances food is available, not necessarily healthy 180 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: food all the time, but you know, cornered store, you 181 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: can go and get back potato ships, you can get 182 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: a candy bar. Um. And so for some people, food 183 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: becomes the object that doesn't reject them, the object that 184 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: causes them to feel um temporarily better, um, the object 185 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: that is available, and they begin to associate that good 186 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: feeling thing with eating UM and and feeling of comfort 187 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: with eating. It's also a control issue too, So if 188 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm if everything in my world is out of control, UM, 189 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, if my parents are fighting or there's domestic violence, 190 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: or I'm being sheltered from residents to residents, the one 191 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: thing that that child might have control over is the 192 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: food in the amount of consumption that they have, And 193 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: so it becomes habitual, and it becomes UM becomes a 194 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: maladaptive way of coping, very much like any other addictions. 195 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: So some people will say, you know, I would never 196 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: touch alcohol, I would never do drugs, but their their 197 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: their addiction, their compulsion of choice is food. UM. It's 198 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more socially acceptable than you know, getting 199 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: drunk or getting high, and so people tend not to 200 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: associate it with UM something negative. Although we do know 201 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: that the consequences of eating and overeating can be UM 202 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: as deadly as UM other other addictions. So UM, I'll 203 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: when I'm working with with children, UM, it's it's become 204 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: becomes very apparent to me, kids who are struggling with 205 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: emotional eating, because they'll look to me to reward them 206 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: with food UM, or they'll come to my uh my office, 207 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: and they'll have tons of food with no aware of 208 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: this as to how much they're consuming and um and 209 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: the fact that they're not hungry, but it's a way 210 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: uh that they learn to deal with the chaos that's 211 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: occurring in their world. Wow. M And I can imagine 212 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, um, something about like food insecurity, and 213 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: so I can imagine, you know, for a child who 214 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: grows up not kind of knowing where there meal is 215 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: going to come from maybe for days, that could also 216 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: be something that kind of turns into this emotional eating. 217 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: That's a really good point. UM. We see some kids 218 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: UM in our practice who see a lot of kids 219 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: actually who have experienced food and security. And so what 220 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: that means is um, not knowing where your next meal 221 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: is going to come from, not knowing if there is 222 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: going to be another meal. UM. So these kids sometimes 223 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: tend to hoard food UM, and it it puzzles their 224 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: teachers because they will um quote unquote steal from the cafeteria, 225 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: which in my mind, it's not stealing, it's a way 226 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: of survival, and they'll hoard food in their lockers and 227 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: their desk drawers, and teachers don't understand, like why is 228 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: this kid doing this, Um, they just had lunch. But 229 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: a lot of it stems from food and security. And 230 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: so if you don't know when your next meal is 231 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: going to come, if there's going to be another meal again, 232 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: food become you become attached to food UM. And it 233 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: is the unhealthy UM connection. Although we have to eat, 234 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: so it's not like we can say you can abstain 235 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: from food because we have to eat. It's what keeps 236 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: us alive. But when you develop an unhealthy attachment to it, 237 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: either because of things that you're experiencing your life, food insecurity, UM, 238 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: it can often lead to to bad habits and then 239 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: a longer term UM unhealthy attachment to food. UM. And 240 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: so I try to work with people around UM learning 241 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: how to love themselves, their bodies, body acceptance because one 242 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: of the other things that I've seen, and this to 243 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: me is so fascinating joy is people who are overweight 244 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: tend to not have a good perception or accurate perception 245 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: of their body. So here's an example. UM. You know, 246 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: I was working with someone who was really quite obast 247 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: and UM, who had very little Her perception of herself 248 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: was sewed based on how other people saw her. So um. 249 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: She was puzzled why friends and family would say things 250 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: like you're you're eating too much. She because she had 251 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: no true sense of her body. UM. And so that's 252 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: problematic too, because people learn at an early age, because 253 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: of experiences like trauma, sexual abuse, physical abuse, UM, to 254 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: separate themselves from their bodies UM. And again that's another 255 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: symptom of emotional eating as well, because people who are 256 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: not connected to their body in a sense of having 257 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: a realistic perception of themselves UM tend to then over indulge. 258 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: So it's really sad when that happens. But I find 259 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: that is is very accurate and true with a lot 260 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: of people who struggle with emotional eating UM. And so 261 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: they don't look at themselves in the mirror. They might 262 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: wear clothes that are a little bit um that don't 263 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: fit again because their perception of their true weight or 264 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: size is skewed, and they end up um continuing to 265 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: to engage in emotional eating because it's a way of 266 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: avoiding literally looking at themselves. And that's real sad when 267 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: that happens. Yeah, and we talked UM. You know, in 268 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: the previous Eating disordered episode, we talked about you know 269 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: how UM because food is so big a part of 270 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: culture typically in black and brown communities. How sometimes it 271 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: can be easily missed. You know, like you said, we 272 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: all have to eat and a part of like celebrations, 273 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: a part of morning, a part of everything. Really, it 274 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: feels like in black and brown culture really does involve food. 275 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: So do you feel like there are other cultural pieces 276 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: that really kind of make this really important for us 277 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: to talk more about in black and brown communities? Oh? Absolutely. Um. 278 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: In our communities, UM, we tend to center things around eating. 279 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: So like you said, you know there's a funeral, if 280 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: there's a birthday, we we center things around eating. Um. 281 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: If there's a baby that's born and that baby is 282 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: not shubby, uh, you know the grandmother other family is 283 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: gonna say, you gotta put some light on that baby, 284 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: you gotta feed that baby, when in fact baby is 285 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: healthy and being properly nourished. So. Um, you know the 286 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: cultural things are if we're if we're not eating, if 287 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: we are too thin, and people's minds, um or other 288 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: people's minds, then that's a problem. Um. You know, our 289 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: nurturing Sometimes I see parents nurturing kids around food. Um, 290 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: and I see that in kids that I see, like, 291 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: if they've done really well, they want misleads to feed them, 292 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: and I try to really avoid that because I don't 293 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: want to associate eating necessarily with something positive. So I 294 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: try to reward them in other ways. UM. And so 295 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: it very much is part of our culture. It's sometimes 296 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: the way that we show we love each other. You know, 297 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: come to my house and I'm gonna fix you know, macaroni, 298 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have greens and chicken. Um. And it's 299 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: our way of showing that we love people. And so 300 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: the intent, of course is not to is not to 301 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: hurt one another, um or to to to make others 302 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: feel badly. Our intent and our culture is to make 303 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: people feel loved and welcomed. UM. And that's fine except 304 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: when we um failed to make the connection that food 305 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: can sometimes be a problem for for some people, much 306 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: in the same way that that alcohol can be. And 307 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: so if we have a UM an alcoholic in our family, 308 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: we're not gonna say, come on in and have this drink. 309 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: You know, it won't hurt you, you know. So just 310 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: being mindful of the messages that we send to children, 311 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: to ourselves, to each other about eating and associating it 312 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: all the time with something that's positive. UM. And again, 313 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: we can't get away from eating because we have to 314 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: we have to nurture ourselves. But we have to UM, 315 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: we have to do a shift in our thinking that UM, 316 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: food really is solely for nurturings. UM. It is not 317 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: to make us feel good. UM. And unfortunately analytic cultures, 318 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: that's the association that is along with food is that 319 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: it's to make you feel good, it's to celebrate. UM. 320 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: It's two mourn because it can become for vulnerable people. 321 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: Not everyone, but for vulnerable people it can become that UM, 322 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: they can form that unhealthy attachment to eating that helps 323 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: them to avoid dealing with painful emotional states or baggage 324 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: that they have not dealt with in childhood. UM. So 325 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: for women who have been sexually abused, and we know 326 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: UM from recent news events that lots and lots of 327 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: women have been sexually abused. UM, there's already a disconnect 328 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: with your body because UM, because of the abuse, and 329 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: so oftentimes women who have been sexually sexually abused UM 330 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: have have problems with eating as well. And so if 331 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: you I think there's some studies that have draw a 332 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: correlation between sexual abuse and and people who are overweight. 333 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: We know that there are issues UH that come out 334 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: of past childhood traumas or adult traumas that will greatly 335 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: contribute to people having an unhealthy attachment UM to eating UM. 336 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: It would be you know, it's remiss of medical professionals 337 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: to not get that. UM. So another anecdotal story is 338 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: that a lot of I know I've known several women 339 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: and men who have gone through baryatric surgery, which for 340 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: some people has become a lifesaver, and I'm really glad 341 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: that that it exists. However, the downside to that is 342 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: most of the people that I know who have gone 343 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: through bariatric surgery and lost tons and tons of weights 344 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: because it is effective in that way, what do you 345 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: think happens in less than a year? Joy They That's right, 346 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: they gain it back. And the reason they gained it 347 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: back is because they didn't deal with the emotional and 348 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: so the way that the problem that caused them to 349 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: UM have to be overweight UM never never gets resolved. 350 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: And so again I'm not saying that people should not 351 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: have bariatric surgery, because I think it certainly is an 352 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: option for people but what I'm suggesting that is if 353 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: you do that UM, and you elect to go through 354 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: the surgery, that it is extremely important that you deal 355 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: with UM trauma UH you know, stress, UM and any 356 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: other unresolved issues that may have caused the problem in 357 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: the first place. Because a doctor can UM you know, 358 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: cut you and and and change your your um digestive system, 359 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: but that does not change the mental at all. So 360 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: it's very frustrating for people who have gone through it 361 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: to then turn back around and gain that weight back. 362 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: And it's really really sad when that happens, because that's 363 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: not an easy ceregery for people to endure UM, you know. 364 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: So again I I leaned back on the medical field 365 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: and our medical professionals and say, UM, in childhood, when 366 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: you see a child who is struggling with obesity, the 367 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: very first thing to do is to get that child 368 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: connected to UM a mental health professional for at the 369 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: minimal um an assessment to see if there's any underlying 370 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: issues that's causing that child to eat. And I can 371 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: guarantee you that fifty percent of them have some emotional 372 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: attachment to food or some unresolved issue that will only 373 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: get worse as they get older. UM. So in my practice, UM, 374 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: we just integrated in the pediatrician's office and I talked 375 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: to the pediatrician about allowing us to UM bring in 376 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: our childhood obesity program, and she was all on board 377 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: with that because she said that one out of every 378 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: four of the kids that she sees is UM has 379 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: a high B and mine and leading towards obesity. And 380 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: so what we're gonna do in her practices will have 381 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: a therapist and we'll have a dietitian is that's also 382 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: part of the treatment UM to work in the pediatrician's office, 383 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: of the three of them will be working together to 384 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: address UM that child's weight problem and that of the family, 385 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: because you can't treat the child UM in in the 386 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: family where there is unhealthy eating and not treat the 387 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: entire family. Right m hm. So you have already talked 388 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: Lisa UM a little bit about, you know, working on 389 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: somebody acceptance kinds of things with your clients. But I'm 390 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: wondering if you can share with us any other like 391 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: techniques or strategies that you might use with clients that 392 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: would help them to like better manage emotional eating. Yeah, 393 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: So I am what I do with with the clients. UM, 394 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: I'll take you from the beginning and UM through kind 395 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: of the process that we go through. So when someone 396 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: calls me and they want to UM get help for 397 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: emotionally eating, the first thing I do as a complete 398 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: psycho social history, So that means that I UM talked 399 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: to that person about their childhood, about their current life, UM, 400 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: got any physical problems that they might have, UM, and 401 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: if I see where there are some concerns for either 402 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: anxiety or depression, then I will assess them for it 403 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: for those as well, because often that is the case. UM. 404 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: After that, then I tell them the important three important 405 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: things that they have to do if they're gonna work 406 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: with me. They have to commit to journaling. They have 407 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: to commit to exercising. And most people look at me 408 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: like I'm crazy, UM, but I try to tell people 409 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: that when I say exercising, I mean they just have 410 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: to move their body. So if that means that beginning, UM, 411 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: in the beginning, all they can do is walk around 412 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: the corner. I just want them to commit to that, 413 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: because in order to feel more connected with our bodies, 414 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: we've got to engage with our bodies. And the best 415 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: way to engage with our bodies. Is one of the 416 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: best ways is to exercise and so and it's also 417 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: of course good to help for for health as well. 418 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: So they have to journal. They have to be willing 419 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: to UM exercise and they have to be willing to 420 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: see our dietitian. Then they have to be willing to 421 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: change one thing um that they do that they know 422 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: is unhealthy in terms of eating. So if they are 423 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, let's say they're addicted in quote to sugar, 424 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: so they have to be willing to give up one 425 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: thing that they know is unhealthy and contribute getting to 426 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: their problems. So you know, let's say they love to 427 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 1: eat Snickers bars, so they have to be willing to 428 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: give up Snickers bars. And I try to start very 429 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: slowly with people because it is a process. And oftentimes 430 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: when adults come to me, I mean, they've struggled with this. 431 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: They they've been through every diet UM and they know 432 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: they know what they need to do. They need to 433 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: support so UM journaling because that helps people to become 434 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: more mindful of their emotional state. UM. A lot of 435 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: times we're walking around and we're living and acting unconsciously UM, 436 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: meaning we're just not aware of why we're doing what 437 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: we're doing, We're thinking at any time what we're feeling. 438 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: And so journaling helps clients people that I work with, 439 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: to become more aware of their internal experiences. So you know, um, 440 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'll use myself as an example today. Um, 441 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: this morning, I got to the office at six thirty am, 442 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: and as soon as I walked into the office, I 443 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: was like, I was hit with all this stuff. I 444 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: had all these things that I needed to get done. 445 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: And so I plucked down on my sofa at one 446 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: point and I did like a five minute meditation because 447 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: I could feel myself getting keyed up and to the 448 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: point where I wanted to screen. And so being unconscious 449 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: about our emotional state can lead us to making, um, 450 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: some wrong decisions. So I could have, you know, easily 451 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: snapped at someone or made a mistake or miss something. 452 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: So in order to be more conscious, um of myself, 453 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: my thoughts, my feelings, my body, I sat down for 454 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: five minutes and I did a mental assessment of my body. 455 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: So where my feeling the stress at. You know, my 456 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: shoulders were tense. Um, I was breathing, you know, probably 457 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: unconsciously rapidly low down my breathing, relax my muscles, and 458 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: then come up with a strategy for I'm going to 459 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: get through the rest of the morning. UM. So being 460 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: mindful and a lot of people have heard of mindfulness. 461 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: It is an extremely important UM tool that I use 462 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: in working with people who UM struggle with emotional eating, 463 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: because we a lot of people who have emotional eating 464 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: move through the world through the day without being aware 465 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: of what's going on internally. Okay, And so those are 466 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: the techniques that I used to help people to become 467 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: more body aware and more UM conscious in every single 468 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: thing that they do, but but particularly the food that 469 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: they put in their mouths. So another thing that they 470 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: do is they're journaling. UM. They have to journal every 471 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: single morsel of food that they put in their mouths. 472 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: And UM, I know that. When I did this for 473 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: the first time, I was struck because if I if 474 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: you had asked me before I started journaling my food intake, 475 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: I would say, oh, I don't. I don't eat that 476 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: much during the day. I know. I you know, I 477 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: eat my breakfast and my my launch and I come 478 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: on and have dinner. When I started journaling, what I realized, 479 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: which was a little bit overwhelmed me was the amount 480 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: of mindless eating that I used to engage in. So 481 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: between clients running down to the break room and grabbing 482 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, crackers or candy or whatever. When you become 483 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: aware of how much you consume that you're you're you're 484 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: not aware of and you're and it's it's just mindless eating. 485 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: It's a lot, and so typical people need to have 486 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: between it depends on your body way, but between calories women, Um, 487 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: a day, well, when we start to write down what 488 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: we're eating and we add up the calories, it's a 489 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: huge AMV calorie. It's um, and some of us can 490 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: consume that a day's worth of calories and one meal. 491 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: So UM. When I'm coaching people, I'm coaching them to 492 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: cook a lot more at home because then they can 493 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: control what goes into their food and they can make 494 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: better and less emotional decisions about what they're eating. Because 495 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: when we're eating out a lot of times, um, and 496 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: I know this is true for me, I'm looking on 497 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: the menu and it all sounds so so good, um, 498 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 1: and then inevitably I'll make a choice that I end 499 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: up regretting. So if I'm cooking at home, then I 500 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: can can be, I can plan, can be mindful um, 501 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: and then I can um make better choices about what 502 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: it is that I'm gonna eat because I'm slowing down 503 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: to be aware of how hungry am I really? What 504 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: are the physical signs of hunger? Um? Sometimes I'll ask 505 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: people to rape their hunger on a scale from zero 506 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: to ten UM, and that helps people to become more 507 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: aware or of whether or not they're physically hungry versus 508 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: emotionally hungry. So zero being um not hungry at all, 509 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: and tend being starving and most of us never ever, 510 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: thank god, get to ten because we're never truly starving. Um. 511 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: I try to get people to change their language around 512 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: eating so um again rather than using the word I 513 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: am starving, because again, most of us don't ever starve, 514 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: So you might say, I'm you know, I'm hungry, like 515 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: I haven't eaten um in about three or four hours, 516 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: my tummy is growling, and I'm feeling a little bit 517 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: of light lightheaded. I'm I'm hungry um. And if it's 518 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: like between meals, like saying between lunch and dinner, and 519 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: a person is feeling hungry, I'll get them to rate 520 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: themselves on that scale zero to ten, Where is your 521 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: hunger If it's below a five, do you really need 522 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: to eat something right now? Um? And oftentimes the answer 523 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: is no, I can wait until dinner time, so I 524 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: can imagine. Um, you know, like we've talked about, since 525 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: food is so accessible, right, Like you can have a 526 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: bag of Eminem's in your person, you can have like 527 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: just snacks around you all the time. I think that's 528 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 1: probably also a reason why we kind of just turn 529 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: to food. So are there other, um, you know, like 530 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: really accessible kinds of things that you teach people to 531 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: use instead of like grabbing a bag of Eminem's. Ye. 532 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: So um for me personally, and what I what I 533 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: did and what I teach my client to do is 534 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: to do meal prepping. Um. It's a lifesaver to do 535 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: meal prepping because you can anticipate what your day is 536 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: going to be like and then you can plan your 537 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: meals accordingly. So UM, what we do here and my 538 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: office now is rather than um. And again we work 539 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: with a lot of kids and adults as well, But 540 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: rather than keeping candy around, will keep fruit in the kitchen. 541 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: And so if for for example, I have a super 542 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: busy day today, so I was able to go. I 543 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: had a salad for lunch. I'm gonna work until seven 544 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: o'clock tonight, so I know between now and seven o'clock tonight, 545 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to be hungry. I'm going my hunger is 546 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: probably gonna be at like the six or seven by 547 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: the time I'm done. So if I've planned out how 548 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to manage that hunger, that makes it a 549 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: lot easier for me to become agitated, frustrated and feel 550 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: the need to run down to the vending machine and 551 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: grab something that's completely unhealthy. So I have fruit, I 552 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: know that I can go to my kitchen and I 553 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: can eat it, you know, quickly between clients, and then 554 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: i can go to my ex client and I'm satisfied. 555 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm not agitated because I've I've um, I've eaten, and 556 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: then I can wait until dinner. And so simple meal prep, 557 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: which means that for the week you plan out what 558 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: every single meal is, including any snacks. It's also important 559 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: to UM to be mindful of what your most vulnerable 560 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: times are. So again, for me, I got here to 561 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: work at six thirty in the morning, I'm not leaving 562 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: until seven, so I know that today's a vulnerable day 563 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: for me. UM, I need to plan for that. So 564 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: I consume lots of water because water is good for you, UM. 565 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: And then I have my fruit down the hall. I 566 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: know I can go make myself UM. You know, a 567 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: quick fruit salad that's already made, put it in a cup, 568 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: takes me five minutes to eat it. I'm nourished, it's healthy. 569 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: I can go on to see my next clients. So planning, planning, planning, UM. 570 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: When we work with kids, we teach parents to plan 571 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: for the kid because obviously the kid UM is not 572 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: necessarily in control of the food process. When we work 573 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: with adults, the dietitian that we work with UM literally 574 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: excuse me, walks UM each client through their own individualized 575 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: food plan. So we have some people who are vegetarians 576 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: and some people who love meat. And so she's able 577 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: to sit with that person and say, let's kneel plan 578 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: around your favorite foods UM, and let's build in UM, 579 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, your snacks, and and based it on the 580 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: kind of day that you're gonna have. So, you know, 581 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: if I'm working with woman and she's a busy, professional woman, 582 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: and she's got children, and she's got to take them 583 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: to soccer tonight. I know that at the end of 584 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: the day, when she's picking up her kids to go 585 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: to the soccer field, she needs to make sure that 586 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: she has a snack with her that she could enjoy 587 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: while she's UM. Well, she's UM at soccer practice with 588 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: her kids. UM, and the same thing for her children. 589 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: So being slowing down and um planing, how you're gonna 590 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: how are you gonna eat and what you're gonna eat 591 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: through UM through the entire week. Now, obviously things happen 592 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: and and UM you can throw you off, but if 593 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: you stick to your meal plan of time, you're doing great. 594 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: UM and and it's I think for a lot of 595 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: the adult women that I work with as well. I 596 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes women in particular and and black and 597 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: brown women sometimes don't engage in self care and the 598 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: way that we should. Um. We're busy, we're working, we're 599 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: taking care of children. You know, we may have a 600 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: partner that UM, you know, requires a lot of our time. 601 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: Those of us who are self floyd, UM, there's a 602 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on us. So learning how to slow 603 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: down and make UM healthy decisions for ourselves really is 604 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: part of the process of recovering from UM things have 605 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: happened in childhood because oftentimes people who have gone through 606 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: UM difficult childhood's experienced UM really difficult traumatic experiences don't 607 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: learn how to take care of themselves because it was 608 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: not model to them when they were growing up, and 609 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: so they don't know how to do it to live 610 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: walking through life. They might look good on the outside, 611 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: but on the inside there are mass and so I 612 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: had to teach people this is what you need to 613 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: do to take care of yourself. And now I need 614 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: you to come up with a UM with the self 615 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: care plan. What does that look like? Write it down 616 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: for me and let's let's talk about it. If this 617 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: makes sense? No, sound like great suggestions, Lisa. So I'm 618 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: wondering if you have some favorite resources that you could 619 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: suggest for people who may struggle with emotional eating. Yeah, yeah, 620 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. UM. So there's a couple of things that 621 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: I would UM. There's an author, Janine Roth, who is 622 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: UM in my mind, she is the best resource on 623 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: emotional eating. So anything by Janine Roth. There's a book 624 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: called It's not what You're eating, It's What's eating you 625 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: and it's by Dr Roth R. O. T. H. Her 626 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: first name is spelled g e n e n rath 627 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: r o t h UM. She has been around. I 628 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: mean I would go as far as to say she 629 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,439 Speaker 1: is probably one of the pioneers UM in my mind 630 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: as far as mental health professionals are concerned with dealing 631 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: with emotional eating. So it's it's called One of her 632 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: famous books is called It's Not what You're Eating, It's 633 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: what's eating you. I think that's kind of like the 634 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: UM the first to go to a book that I 635 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: would suggest for people who feel like, UH, emotional eating 636 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: maybe UM an issue for them. I also feel like 637 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: people who UM have gone through childhood trauma or chronic stress. 638 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: I think UM a good SUGG question is for them 639 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: to do an ACE score and A stands for Adverse 640 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: Childhood Experiences and it gives you a number UM based 641 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: on you answering some questions about just how significant your 642 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: childhood adverse childhood experiences UM were on you and continue 643 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: to impact you. So it's A A, C, A And 644 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: if you google ACE or maybe google adverse childhood Experience, 645 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: you'll come you can find UM the an assessment that's 646 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: online that's free and it's it's valid UM and and reliable, 647 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 1: and so I would strongly suggest anyone feels like they're 648 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: struggling with emotional eating UM, take a look at what 649 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: their childhood experiences were and how they might still be 650 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 1: impacting them. Another book that I loved that really helped 651 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 1: so solidify in me UM the impact of childhood trauma 652 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: and its effect on our body kind of generally speaking, 653 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: is called The Body Keeps Score. Awesome book. I have 654 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: it on um um audiobook that I listened to in 655 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: my car UM and it just reinforces the work that 656 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing with women and children in terms of helping 657 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: to address childhood issues. So it's called The Body Keeps 658 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: Score and the author's name is Escaping My Mind. But 659 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 1: if you google the Body Keeps Score you'll find it UM. 660 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: But it's it's an excellent book that helps UM. That 661 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: will help UM people to understand just UM, the physiological 662 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: impact of trauma and stress and what that does to 663 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: our bodies and furthermore, how that impacts our physical and 664 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: emotional health UM. And it will help people to understand 665 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: even more how UM how they're emotionally eating is derived 666 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: nine times out of ten derived in UM childhood issues 667 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: unreasolve childhood issues. So those are great resources, Lisa, and 668 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: I definitely will include links to all of those in 669 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: the show notes so people can find them easily. I'll 670 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: find out the I'll remember the author's name. I'll send 671 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: that to you. Um, she has an unusual last name 672 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,439 Speaker 1: and I can't remember it, but I have the book, 673 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: so I'll give you her the author's name. Sounds good. Yeah, 674 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: So can you tell us more about your practice? I mean, 675 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,439 Speaker 1: you've already kind of mentioned that you work a lot 676 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: with both kids and adults, but I'd like to hear 677 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: more about your practice and if there's anything exciting you 678 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: want to share about what's going on. Yeah. So, UM, 679 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: I own actually two practices. One is called called the 680 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: Center for Child Development and UM that's um, that's my 681 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: largest practice. We focus obviously on children and children's issues. UM. 682 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: We we work, um primarily in school, so it's school based. UM. 683 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: There's twenty eight therapists at work in my practice. We 684 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 1: are in Delaware and we cover oh my goodness, probably 685 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: over a hundred schools and county at this point. So 686 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: the need for mental health services for children is just increasing, 687 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: and UM, brandy therapists out there that are listening UM, 688 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: and you have experience and skilled working with children, I 689 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: would strongly encourage you to think about developing a school 690 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: based mental health practice. It's rewarding, but you're also going 691 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: to make a tremendous impact on children's lives by being 692 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: accessible to them in their schools. And then the second 693 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: practice that is Hell's were all housed in the same office, 694 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: is called Delaware Center for Counseling and Wellness, and that's 695 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: where I work with adult women who have emotional eating 696 00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:00,040 Speaker 1: problems UM. So in that practice, it's mostly coaching it 697 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: not so much therapy UM. It is really coaching people 698 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: towards better self care, being more mindful of their lives, 699 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: living more consciously in self care. And then we have 700 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,399 Speaker 1: the dietitian Patty who UM consults with um our our 701 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: clients in that practice as well. When I'm working with 702 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: women with emotional health emotionally eating, I like to also 703 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 1: collaborate with their medical doctors as well UM and and 704 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: try to help help people to get healthy on on 705 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: every domain, so physically, UM, emotionally, spiritually. Because people who 706 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: have gone through childhood traumas UM tend to UM have 707 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: a lot of issues on most domains of living. So 708 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: I feel like if we can kind of help them 709 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: to pull those together and create UM holistic plan for 710 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: helping them UM, then they stand a better chance of success. 711 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: So all those clients come in, they get an assessment 712 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: for depression, anxiety, their ACES score UM, and then we 713 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: individualize a plan with that person and we provide a 714 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: lot of online coaching so that if a person is 715 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: struggling over the weekend and you know they are, they 716 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 1: have a party that they're going to and they're really 717 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: anxious about making a good decision, they can connect with 718 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 1: us online UM, so we can coach them through UM 719 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of times people just need that emotional support. 720 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: You can do this. Here are some options that you 721 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: have UM. Now now go make a good decision for yourself. 722 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: So really empowering people UM to make some changes in 723 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: their lives. And then UM. The third thing that I'm doing, 724 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: and this is specifically with therapists who are starting a 725 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: practice UM or want to grow their practice. Meet and 726 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: Kim Night UM, who's another therapist in New York, are 727 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: doing a training online called the University of Private Practice 728 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: where we are coaching therapists to build their practice UM 729 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna work with people who want to build 730 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: a school based mental health practice, but also just traditional 731 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: UM office practice as well. So that's going to start 732 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: on November theft. I believe UM and so if you 733 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: don't catch it this time, then we'll do it again 734 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,840 Speaker 1: in the spring. UM and Dr Joy will post informations 735 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,720 Speaker 1: UM on this broadcast about how people can UM connect 736 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: with us around that training. Yes, I've definitely heard some 737 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: great things about the training, so highly recommend anybody who 738 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: is interested in opening a private practice to definitely get 739 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: in touch with Lisa and him to join the University 740 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: of Private Practice. Thank you, Joy, appreciate that you're welcome. 741 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: So where can we find out about all of this 742 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: amazing stuff that you're doing. What are your websites and 743 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: any social media handles you'd like to share? So form 744 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: the children's practice, it's the Center for Child Development dot com. 745 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: And then for UM the adult practice, it's Delaware Center 746 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: for Counseling and Wellness dot com. So thus Enter for 747 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,280 Speaker 1: Child Development dot com and then Delaware Center for Counseling 748 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: and Wellness dot com. And so that's how I can 749 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: be reached and for the emotional eating I can work 750 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,760 Speaker 1: with anyone across the country because it is not therapy, 751 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: it is coaching. But if you want therapy services, you 752 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: have have to live in Delaware because that's what my 753 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 1: practices um. And the same thing for getting your child 754 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: connected with services we do. UM we do, I think 755 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: a really good job with children. And so if there's 756 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 1: anybody out there in Delaware, even though we're really tiny, 757 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: um we UM, we are accessible and available to work 758 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: with kids in person here in the state of Delaware. Perfect. 759 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Lisa, You're welcome. I hope you 760 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: enjoyed my conversation with Lisa and encourage you to check 761 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: out some of the resources she mentioned. You can find 762 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 1: those in the show notes at Therapy for Black Girls 763 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,319 Speaker 1: dot com. Maxim last session thirty four. And if you're 764 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,320 Speaker 1: a therapist looking to start or grow your private practice, 765 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: you're in for a real treat because Lisa's University of 766 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,359 Speaker 1: Private Practice is open for one more day, so you 767 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: haven't until November two thousand seventeen to sign up for 768 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: this incredible program. You can, of course, also find out 769 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: the information about how to sign up for this in 770 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: the show notes. I'd like to thank all of you 771 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: that completed the survey mentioned in last week's episode. If 772 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: you haven't completed it and would like to, you can 773 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: find it at Therapy for Black Girls dot com backslash 774 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: m E d i Q. If you're thinking that starting 775 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: therapy is something you'd like to do as we approach ten, 776 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 1: please make sure to use the therapist directory to find 777 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: a therapist in your area. You can find it at 778 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls dot com backslash directory. And if 779 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: you love the episodes of the podcast that you've heard before, 780 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: I want you to do two things. First, come on 781 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: hang out with us in the Facebook group. You can 782 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: find that at Therapy for Black Girls dot com backslash 783 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: tribe and that's where we continue all of the conversations 784 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: that we start here on the podcast. And the second 785 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: thing I want you to do is text your friend, cousin, line, sister, 786 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,879 Speaker 1: and any other special sister in your life and tell 787 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,799 Speaker 1: her to listen to the podcast as well. Let's keep 788 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: the love going. Make sure that you're following us across 789 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 1: all social media. You can find us on Twitter at 790 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: Therapy for the Number four be Girls, and you can 791 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: find us on Instagram and Facebook at Therapy for Black Girls. 792 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 1: Please keep sharing your thoughts about the podcast by using 793 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,879 Speaker 1: the hashtag tb G in Session. I love to see 794 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,240 Speaker 1: you mentioning the podcast in your Instant stories and on Twitter, 795 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,439 Speaker 1: so please keep doing that until next week. Make sure 796 00:51:53,480 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: to take good care of yourself. Doctor doctor, doctor I, 797 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:34,239 Speaker 1: doctor doctor doctor F