WEBVTT - 9021CO-Host: It's James Eckhouse! 0:00:02.980 --> 0:00:09.610 It's 90210-MG with Jenny Garth and friends. You guys, James 0:00:09.770 --> 0:00:13.049 Egghouse is here. He's our co-host today. It's so exciting. 0:00:13.130 --> 0:00:14.050 I'm a co-host. 0:00:14.330 --> 0:00:16.869 No, you're not just a guest. You are a co-host. 0:00:17.910 --> 0:00:20.430 So you get to do and say whatever you want today. 0:00:20.550 --> 0:00:23.980 Okay. And we're not recording this, right? Oh, no. Just us. 0:00:24.940 --> 0:00:26.020 There's no video. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:28.320 It's all video, baby. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.020 Oh, my God. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.120 They're going to get a good look at you just 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:32.600 like I am. 0:00:33.310 --> 0:00:35.640 Yeah. Oh my gosh. 0:00:35.659 --> 0:00:37.919 I'm feeling a little Twitter painted. I gotta be honest. 0:00:39.500 --> 0:00:43.500 So here's the story, James. Oh, you used to be 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.540 like a parent figure. You were older. We were younger. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:47.940 I didn't pay any attention to you. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:48.720 Yes. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.860 Like I didn't listen to you very often. I loved you, 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.260 but like you were like, I was, you know, I 0:00:54.700 --> 0:00:57.570 was young and doing my thing. Yeah. And you were 0:00:57.590 --> 0:01:02.770 always just there. Consistent, happy. Pleasant to be around, working, 0:01:02.870 --> 0:01:05.590 always happy to be working. Everybody loved you. The crew 0:01:05.660 --> 0:01:08.319 loved you. Everyone loved you. And you had just the 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.120 best attitude all the time. Okay, so flash forward to 0:01:12.220 --> 0:01:16.260 now me watching the show back from the very first 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.410 episode all the way until season nine. I have developed, 0:01:21.750 --> 0:01:26.910 get ready for it, a crush on Jim Walsh. 0:01:28.110 --> 0:01:32.070 On Jim Walsh. Because if you knew the real me, 0:01:32.270 --> 0:01:34.530 you wouldn't have a crush on me. That's true. 0:01:35.490 --> 0:01:39.490 Well, you know, I really like him. He's such a 0:01:39.530 --> 0:01:41.570 good guy. And he's so cute. And I love your 0:01:41.650 --> 0:01:46.580 furry chest. I got to be honest. Okay. You guys, 0:01:46.590 --> 0:01:49.150 he's still got the furry chest. And you know what? 0:01:49.170 --> 0:01:50.440 I kind of like it that it's white now. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.590 Well, thank you. Well, I'm going to admit that I... 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.250 I thought you were quite something. And I was always 0:02:02.580 --> 0:02:05.850 nervous around you. Cause I, I had a crush on 0:02:05.890 --> 0:02:09.310 you too. No, I'm not kidding you. I did. I mean, 0:02:09.330 --> 0:02:11.429 I had a, that's creepy. 0:02:11.490 --> 0:02:12.490 No, you can't say that. 0:02:12.790 --> 0:02:14.549 No. Okay. I can't say that. Forget that. 0:02:14.690 --> 0:02:17.870 You just said it, but we're going to, I was 0:02:17.889 --> 0:02:18.870 character crush. 0:02:18.930 --> 0:02:21.779 Amazing. You know, I just thought you were amazing. And 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.520 I was, you know, I, I mean, this is so incredible. 0:02:25.900 --> 0:02:27.160 It's like perfect timing. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:29.119 Why is that? 0:02:29.150 --> 0:02:30.970 So much to me to be here with you right now. 0:02:31.190 --> 0:02:35.590 And then we did, you know, we, we, we were 0:02:35.630 --> 0:02:37.230 ships crossing in the night, you know what I mean? 0:02:37.250 --> 0:02:41.070 Because we never really had scenes together. Not a lot. 0:02:41.550 --> 0:02:47.190 And yeah. So it's not like we spent a lot 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.140 of time, you know, I spent a lot of time 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.960 at the video game with Jason and I see, you know, 0:02:52.980 --> 0:02:57.840 playing on that crazy video. Crazy dressing rooms. You know 0:02:57.860 --> 0:03:01.750 what I mean? It was like nuts. So here we are. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.489 So the problem is, I know you're going to probably 0:03:04.550 --> 0:03:06.649 ask me questions, but really, I want to hear all 0:03:06.710 --> 0:03:09.570 about you. That's all I care about. How long have 0:03:09.610 --> 0:03:11.390 you been doing the podcast for? 0:03:11.910 --> 0:03:15.500 Well, we have been doing it for eight seasons. I've 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.839 learned so much about the 90s, so much about this show, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.380 so much about why the fans loved it so much. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:24.040 Yeah. 0:03:24.650 --> 0:03:27.730 You know, watching it roll out episode by episode every 0:03:27.790 --> 0:03:31.209 week and seeing how people saw it originally like that. 0:03:31.230 --> 0:03:32.090 You had to wait for it. 0:03:32.570 --> 0:03:33.429 Yeah, yeah. 0:03:33.669 --> 0:03:36.750 So invested in the storylines. So angry when the storylines 0:03:36.810 --> 0:03:40.790 are not good. You know, just loving doing every step 0:03:40.850 --> 0:03:43.570 of it. And then now getting to see, you know, 0:03:43.610 --> 0:03:47.030 I had Jason on, Gab on, now you on. I mean, 0:03:47.170 --> 0:03:50.780 and I'm having another special guest on. It's so exciting. 0:03:50.790 --> 0:03:50.880 Yeah. 0:03:51.690 --> 0:03:54.740 It's just like we all love the opportunity to just 0:03:55.060 --> 0:03:57.540 face to face one another, whether we're in person or 0:03:57.580 --> 0:03:58.180 on a computer. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:58.280 Yeah. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.320 And really just kind of catch up and just even 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.750 just be in each other's presence is just the best feeling. 0:04:05.010 --> 0:04:05.590 Why is that? 0:04:07.370 --> 0:04:09.410 Well, that's a really interesting thing. And that's why I 0:04:09.490 --> 0:04:13.280 think I was like. Watching, I've watched the episode a 0:04:13.300 --> 0:04:15.800 couple of times, but then I, it got me to watch, 0:04:16.380 --> 0:04:19.940 like I watched the wedding, the non-wedding, which was an 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.360 incredible episode to watch. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.640 So good, so infuriating. 0:04:24.350 --> 0:04:28.450 But I, you know, I left the show after season five. So, 0:04:28.870 --> 0:04:30.570 you know, I didn't watch the show after that. 0:04:30.910 --> 0:04:32.590 No, that's what I was talking about with Gab. I 0:04:32.589 --> 0:04:34.830 was like, well, why didn't you watch the show, Gab? 0:04:36.610 --> 0:04:39.070 She was like, well, because I wasn't on it and 0:04:39.089 --> 0:04:39.710 I was kind of busy. 0:04:39.770 --> 0:04:39.849 Yeah. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:41.500 Trying to do other things. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.719 It's more than that, though, because you're talking about like, look, 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:53.190 whenever actors, whether you're doing a play for six months 0:04:53.290 --> 0:04:56.299 or whether you're doing a film for maybe a month 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.460 to make a family. We were, you guys were together 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.770 for 10 years, you know, I was with you for 0:05:01.810 --> 0:05:02.410 five years. 0:05:02.430 --> 0:05:03.570 That's a long time still. 0:05:03.589 --> 0:05:06.969 Yeah. A long time. And I'm going to admit that 0:05:07.029 --> 0:05:10.020 when I, when I, not to get too much in 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.080 the weeds, but when I left the show and you know, I, 0:05:13.260 --> 0:05:16.560 it was, You know, it was so obvious because you 0:05:16.580 --> 0:05:19.580 guys were going to college and, you know, it wasn't horrendous. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.580 It wasn't unexpected. But, you know, they talked to me 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.339 and they were very sweet. And they said, look, you know, 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.880 you're not going to be, you know, you'll come on occasionally. 0:05:26.900 --> 0:05:29.979 I said, right. Got it. Ouch. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:31.810 Wait, first of all, don't breeze past that. 0:05:32.790 --> 0:05:33.170 Okay. 0:05:34.230 --> 0:05:37.349 I don't like that time, that day, that meeting you 0:05:37.410 --> 0:05:38.130 had with them. 0:05:38.150 --> 0:05:42.470 God. It was tough. It was a phone call. It 0:05:42.510 --> 0:05:43.190 was a phone call. 0:05:43.470 --> 0:05:44.030 Oh, of course. 0:05:44.110 --> 0:05:46.810 It was a shock. And it was like, you know, 0:05:47.190 --> 0:05:49.390 we're not going to offer you, you know, a series 0:05:49.430 --> 0:05:52.969 regular anymore. And I was like, I was, I was 0:05:53.029 --> 0:05:57.419 ready for it, you know? And, and I, you know, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.580 I also, you don't want to be around if you're not, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.760 you know, I mean, the, the, the, the Mr. And Mrs. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.260 Had been, you know, slowly. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:05.979 Yeah. 0:06:06.060 --> 0:06:09.180 Yeah. Not as quite as, as in the show. So, 0:06:09.790 --> 0:06:12.430 but that's, but I got really hit by it. I 0:06:12.470 --> 0:06:16.750 really did. unexpectedly. And the next couple of years, especially 0:06:16.770 --> 0:06:19.050 the next year was, it was tough. And it was 0:06:19.110 --> 0:06:23.180 tough because, and that's what I love about this episode 0:06:23.190 --> 0:06:27.600 is what is family, you know, and, and I sure 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.820 I'm hitting some nerves here, you know, when you've got 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.380 your own family and you're, you know, but then you've 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:39.180 got this other family that is heightened and in some 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.159 ways more idealized, you know what I mean? And, You 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.500 don't have to do the messiness. It's just, you know, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:46.280 when you go to work. 0:06:46.300 --> 0:06:47.760 Hopefully not. 0:06:49.190 --> 0:06:54.530 Yeah. Well, that's, we know this business. Yeah. Enough said. Right. 0:06:54.570 --> 0:06:55.490 You know what I mean? 0:06:55.510 --> 0:06:57.710 So are you saying it hurt to watch it? 0:06:58.690 --> 0:07:01.140 Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I couldn't, I couldn't, I 0:07:01.180 --> 0:07:03.980 had to let, I really had to make a like, James, 0:07:04.020 --> 0:07:06.080 you need to pick up your life again. You know, 0:07:06.140 --> 0:07:10.740 you've had this incredible experience where, you know, as an 0:07:10.860 --> 0:07:14.500 actor also, you've got a steady job, which is unheard 0:07:14.660 --> 0:07:18.460 of in our life, unheard of, you know, very rarely 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.440 have I had that experience. They made me do it. 0:07:20.460 --> 0:07:22.230 I did a play for a year in New York 0:07:22.290 --> 0:07:24.270 and that was great. So you knew that you were 0:07:24.290 --> 0:07:30.070 for a year, you were employed. So that, that's a 0:07:30.110 --> 0:07:36.030 shock to the system. And I have to admit it, it, it, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:41.140 It knocked me off my center. My self-worth, I didn't 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:46.630 realize how much that was wrapped up in that. Oh, wow. 0:07:46.670 --> 0:07:50.510 And it's interesting, too, because people like to say, oh, 0:07:50.510 --> 0:07:53.730 you're famous. And I go, no, I'm famous adjacent. I'm 0:07:53.750 --> 0:07:57.680 never famous. But certainly, I was in the public eye. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.110 But I was very... fortunate at the time to kind 0:08:01.150 --> 0:08:03.750 of well i know my kids were young then so 0:08:04.010 --> 0:08:06.250 i came on that show and had one just born 0:08:06.270 --> 0:08:10.850 and when it was three and we had a really 0:08:10.910 --> 0:08:13.000 weird experience which i will go i will tell you 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.140 the experience because it's a funny story but not right 0:08:15.180 --> 0:08:18.260 now yet um and i realized that i had to 0:08:18.340 --> 0:08:22.400 kind of protect protect my real family you know because 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:28.920 i could see it getting you know uh uh being 0:08:28.940 --> 0:08:31.620 an invasion of privacy and all that. So I always 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.700 kind of kept my distance. And I was never, you know, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.380 I wasn't in the spotlight like you guys. 0:08:36.730 --> 0:08:39.230 You weren't going out and partying with the boys or anything. 0:08:39.650 --> 0:08:40.870 You were going home to a newborn. 0:08:41.230 --> 0:08:43.429 I was going home to a newborn. But also I wasn't, 0:08:43.550 --> 0:08:47.470 you know, being hounded by People magazine and views. You 0:08:47.510 --> 0:08:51.550 guys had, and, you know, they relied on getting you 0:08:51.670 --> 0:08:56.800 out there in the publicity for the show's publicity. And, yeah. God, 0:08:56.820 --> 0:08:59.760 there was no real Instagram. And we didn't have Instagram then, right? 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:00.620 Can you imagine? 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:11.540 So, you know, it was. So that kept me sort 0:09:11.590 --> 0:09:14.650 of like. Yeah. Sort of a distance. 0:09:14.910 --> 0:09:17.189 I think I'm so happy that you brought that up 0:09:17.230 --> 0:09:18.750 because I was really trying to get that out of 0:09:18.790 --> 0:09:21.770 Gab the other day. Because she talked about like why 0:09:21.790 --> 0:09:23.730 I did, she said, I didn't watch the show. I 0:09:23.750 --> 0:09:25.030 didn't know what was going on. How can I do 0:09:25.070 --> 0:09:27.750 a co-hosting job of a show I don't watch? So 0:09:27.770 --> 0:09:29.510 she had to watch a few to get into the mode. 0:09:30.230 --> 0:09:32.090 And I was like, but why didn't you watch it? 0:09:32.150 --> 0:09:34.710 And she told me she was busy and she'd jump 0:09:34.730 --> 0:09:36.510 right off to do her own talk show. And she, 0:09:36.650 --> 0:09:38.709 you know, she was, she was very busy. But I 0:09:38.750 --> 0:09:41.530 was trying to get in there and like say, you know, 0:09:41.620 --> 0:09:43.960 because if it were me, I would have been like, 0:09:45.340 --> 0:09:47.460 I can't watch that. It hurts too much. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:52.630 Yeah. That's. Because it's like, that's the family that I 0:09:52.690 --> 0:09:53.790 just was in, but now I'm not. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.630 And now you're not. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.010 And it was it was hard. It was hard. 0:09:57.050 --> 0:10:01.550 You came back for a few, like, a little, maybe 0:10:01.630 --> 0:10:04.689 one episode in seven, six, six, seven and eight seasons, six, 0:10:04.710 --> 0:10:05.229 seven and eight. 0:10:05.710 --> 0:10:05.950 Yeah. 0:10:06.330 --> 0:10:06.949 How was that? 0:10:07.770 --> 0:10:12.300 Strange. That was strange. That was hard too. Because, you know, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.660 I was, it was, it was great to see everybody. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.140 And there was a lot, you know, a lot of love. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.400 And there's also the sense of like, well, you don't, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.089 you know, where do I fit? 0:10:22.250 --> 0:10:24.070 Where do I even stand? I mean, I don't want 0:10:24.110 --> 0:10:25.530 to get anybody's way. 0:10:25.870 --> 0:10:26.450 Yeah. Yeah. 0:10:26.690 --> 0:10:26.870 Yeah. 0:10:27.309 --> 0:10:31.550 And of course, you know, we got, we got sent 0:10:31.610 --> 0:10:34.690 out to Hong Kong, which I think is, I've got 0:10:34.730 --> 0:10:36.730 an idea. I don't think we're in Hong Kong anymore. 0:10:36.750 --> 0:10:39.349 I think at this point, I think what happened to 0:10:39.370 --> 0:10:48.170 Jim Walsh is that he grew a beard. Okay. Is he? Check. Yeah. Right. 0:10:48.690 --> 0:10:51.870 And then, and then, I think he moved to Nepal 0:10:51.950 --> 0:10:54.830 because I think he started a cult. 0:10:55.929 --> 0:10:57.469 Okay. 0:10:57.530 --> 0:10:59.010 So he is in Nepal now. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.959 If Jim Walsh were to start a cult, I would 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.079 be banging on your door to be in it. 0:11:07.429 --> 0:11:09.929 It's expensive and you've got to go through a whole, 0:11:09.950 --> 0:11:13.050 you know, initiation process. So we'll, we'll talk about that. 0:11:13.550 --> 0:11:16.030 We'll see if we can get you involved, but yeah. 0:11:16.330 --> 0:11:18.750 Oh my God. I've never heard a more fascinating, like 0:11:18.890 --> 0:11:20.140 what would they be doing now? 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:21.939 Yeah. 0:11:21.980 --> 0:11:23.480 But where's Cindy? Is she by your side? 0:11:23.500 --> 0:11:26.439 No, I think, I think we got, I think we 0:11:26.460 --> 0:11:26.820 split up. 0:11:26.980 --> 0:11:27.400 Why? 0:11:27.420 --> 0:11:32.300 I think she got bored with me and it's somewhere 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.770 along the line and she She married a rich shipping, 0:11:37.050 --> 0:11:41.750 Chinese shipping magnate. And so they've moved now. So she's 0:11:41.770 --> 0:11:43.770 not in Hong Kong. She's probably, I don't even think 0:11:43.809 --> 0:11:47.860 she's in mainland China. I think she's traveling the world. Yeah. 0:11:48.530 --> 0:11:49.860 I can see Cindy enjoying that. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:50.510 Yeah. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.219 Because, yeah, you are kind of boring, but in the 0:11:53.260 --> 0:11:56.059 best way. Like, you know, when you're younger, you don't 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.080 want boring. But then when you get older, you're like, please, 0:11:58.700 --> 0:11:59.680 I'm ready for boring stuff. 0:11:59.920 --> 0:12:03.750 Yeah, absolutely. She may come and visit me and she 0:12:03.790 --> 0:12:04.270 may come back. 0:12:04.290 --> 0:12:06.650 I don't know if she's going to think about your cult. 0:12:07.150 --> 0:12:10.069 Jason and I always had this idea. I swear to God, 0:12:10.110 --> 0:12:11.990 I think we pitched this to Chuck at one point, 0:12:12.730 --> 0:12:18.240 was that he and Izzy would come home. And rescue 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.800 us from Hong Kong because we were being captured by 0:12:20.860 --> 0:12:23.959 some terrorists. Okay. They'd come in with a helicopter and 0:12:23.980 --> 0:12:25.400 just sit down and we'd do a whole. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.579 You already lost me. If I was Chuck listening to 0:12:27.620 --> 0:12:30.199 this pitch, I'd be like, I'm out. Helicopters? 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.270 No. Not going to happen. 0:12:33.630 --> 0:12:34.590 Oh, my gosh. 0:12:34.950 --> 0:12:35.270 Yeah. 0:12:35.490 --> 0:12:39.750 Well, you were missed. You were the backbone of the 0:12:39.950 --> 0:12:43.850 OG show. Like, it was very weird when you and 0:12:44.050 --> 0:12:45.910 Mama Walsh were gone. Really? 0:12:45.929 --> 0:12:46.209 Really. 0:12:46.690 --> 0:12:49.349 It was. And then it just, in the show went 0:12:49.610 --> 0:12:53.030 on and that was the, like my first real experience 0:12:53.090 --> 0:12:56.819 of like, that's what happens in a series that's been on, 0:12:56.860 --> 0:12:59.120 like people come and go and while they feel like 0:12:59.140 --> 0:13:01.340 your family and you, it's like, how could I ever 0:13:01.380 --> 0:13:03.459 work here without them? And then all of a sudden 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.020 they're just gone and you must move on. You must 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:07.680 keep going. 0:13:07.700 --> 0:13:09.020 Yeah. Yeah. 0:13:09.100 --> 0:13:11.540 And then. you know, all the teenagers started living in 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.599 your house. I guess they're college age now. Started living 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.880 in your house. Like you are this, you can just, 0:13:17.900 --> 0:13:20.610 you're a tycoon. You can have a house in Beverly Hills. 0:13:21.070 --> 0:13:21.770 Yeah. 0:13:21.809 --> 0:13:24.170 Wherever you are in Hong Kong, hopefully not in a cage. 0:13:24.190 --> 0:13:25.410 Not in a cage, no. 0:13:26.130 --> 0:13:28.630 I just, it was just weird the way the show 0:13:28.650 --> 0:13:30.870 kept going with the house, with your house. 0:13:31.970 --> 0:13:37.280 Crazy. I'm like, do I call, you know, it's like, Steve, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.950 you know, is he paying rent? No. They're not. 0:13:42.950 --> 0:13:45.309 Anybody they meet, they're like, come stay at our house. 0:13:46.150 --> 0:13:47.410 Nobody's paying you a dime. 0:13:48.170 --> 0:13:51.010 And what do our neighbors think? And do they have, 0:13:51.290 --> 0:13:53.150 you know, our phone call? Do they phone us in 0:13:53.210 --> 0:13:57.140 Hong Kong and say, Jim, Cindy, do you know what's 0:13:57.179 --> 0:13:59.820 going on at your house right now? I don't know. 0:14:00.100 --> 0:14:03.780 In Brandon's defense, I don't think he ever had like 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:08.199 a balls out conversation. party at the Walsh house after 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.480 you guys left. I think he was pretty like, no, 0:14:10.500 --> 0:14:12.960 this is my parents' house. We have to be respectful. Steve, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:13.740 on the other hand. 0:14:14.220 --> 0:14:17.140 Yeah. No. Not so much. Not so much. 0:14:17.220 --> 0:14:18.260 Oh my gosh. 0:14:18.540 --> 0:14:20.440 Yeah. Well, I was going to say though. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:21.720 Tell me. 0:14:22.180 --> 0:14:26.150 What? No. What's it? I, I really, it's, it's incredible 0:14:26.190 --> 0:14:28.670 to watch because I hadn't watched and to catch up, 0:14:28.990 --> 0:14:33.880 see the progression of the show, see the, you guys 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:41.020 mature as both human beings and actors. And I have 0:14:41.060 --> 0:14:44.360 to say like the, the, the, the wedding episode where 0:14:44.380 --> 0:14:46.180 the two of you decide not to do, not to 0:14:46.220 --> 0:14:48.680 go through with it. That scene is one of the 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.200 best scenes I think, and not having watched the whole show, 0:14:53.260 --> 0:14:56.240 but I think it's one of the truly great scenes. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.230 You guys played that so well. And then to see 0:15:00.260 --> 0:15:08.750 it reflected in this episode, where what are lifelong friends? 0:15:08.890 --> 0:15:13.750 And it reflects on both personally as an actor and 0:15:14.510 --> 0:15:20.530 my late dotage, my having done this for 167 years, 0:15:23.410 --> 0:15:27.950 the number of families that you form and theater companies 0:15:28.010 --> 0:15:30.960 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And your heart 0:15:30.980 --> 0:15:33.520 being torn apart and then reformed and torn apart, you know, 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.400 and this episode a lot, you know, with, with, with, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.130 you know, with Ian, I want to say Ian and Brian, but, 0:15:43.210 --> 0:15:47.530 you know, Steve and David, you know, that no, we're 0:15:47.690 --> 0:15:50.250 even with Sophie and all that stuff. We're still friends. 0:15:50.670 --> 0:15:54.479 And then you guys, you and you and Brandon trying 0:15:54.500 --> 0:15:58.970 to figure out what is this now, you know, And 0:15:59.410 --> 0:16:01.190 being able to let him go, oh, it makes me cry. 0:16:01.670 --> 0:16:02.270 I cried too. 0:16:02.290 --> 0:16:02.370 Yeah. 0:16:03.070 --> 0:16:04.700 This episode got a tear out of me. 0:16:05.170 --> 0:16:05.390 Yeah. 0:16:05.980 --> 0:16:07.900 Because what you're saying is so true. It felt like 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.330 the end of something really big. 0:16:21.590 --> 0:16:24.520 Did you know that Jason was, did you realize that 0:16:24.580 --> 0:16:28.200 Jason was actually, he went off the show for a while, right? 0:16:28.260 --> 0:16:28.980 But he came back. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:35.760 Came back. And that's when they got engaged and really 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:40.590 became a couple. But then he, this is the last 0:16:40.630 --> 0:16:43.210 time we see him ever again, except for a cameo 0:16:43.250 --> 0:16:47.060 that he does in the final episode on video. And 0:16:47.100 --> 0:16:48.800 he was just here talking to me about it. And, 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.520 you know, he said things like if I had known 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.960 it was only going to go two more seasons, I 0:16:53.980 --> 0:16:54.500 would have stayed. 0:16:55.260 --> 0:16:56.200 Really? Mm-hmm. 0:16:56.460 --> 0:17:00.080 Which I was like, oh, I'm glad to hear you 0:17:00.100 --> 0:17:02.840 thought that way because I thought you were just like, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.200 peace out, see ya. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:05.000 Yeah. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:11.710 So that was really touching. And also to just be 0:17:11.950 --> 0:17:15.810 with him kind of in a work environment doing the podcast, 0:17:15.850 --> 0:17:19.600 you know, we're doing jobs here but just to be 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.760 able to hang out with him and feel that connection 0:17:22.020 --> 0:17:25.340 again you know and I just afterwards I texted him 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.080 I was like it was so good to be with 0:17:28.140 --> 0:17:30.480 you for an hour solid of just you and me 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.710 talking no interruptions yeah and catching up I really loved 0:17:34.790 --> 0:17:37.750 it just like I'm loving this conversation and Gab's conversation 0:17:37.770 --> 0:17:42.790 and such a such an incredible bond we all have 0:17:42.970 --> 0:17:45.250 even though like you're saying yeah we'll go do other 0:17:45.270 --> 0:17:48.810 projects we'll have other little you know, momentary families on 0:17:48.890 --> 0:17:49.840 all the projects we do. 0:17:49.859 --> 0:17:50.670 Of course, yeah. 0:17:50.820 --> 0:17:54.920 I think we all learn something pretty huge by that experience. Like, yes, 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:59.320 you're a family and then it's over. Yeah. Like, you know, 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:01.720 we all move on to something else because we have 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:02.880 to because that's our job. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:08.430 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've been teaching for a long time. 0:18:08.470 --> 0:18:13.630 I didn't do, I went to it not reluctantly because, 0:18:13.710 --> 0:18:15.330 you know, you always think, oh my God, those who 0:18:15.369 --> 0:18:20.670 teach Can't. Right? And it was like 20-some years ago, 0:18:20.730 --> 0:18:23.470 and a wonderful actor friend of mine who I've worked 0:18:23.510 --> 0:18:24.930 with a lot came up to me and he said, 0:18:25.730 --> 0:18:28.130 you're going to teach. And I was like, can we 0:18:28.410 --> 0:18:31.970 use the word S-H? Can I use that word? Yes. 0:18:32.210 --> 0:18:35.450 I said, you're full of shit. No. What, you're saying 0:18:35.470 --> 0:18:38.930 my career's over? And Robin was like, no, no, no, no. 0:18:39.050 --> 0:18:42.709 You've been doing all these workshops before. You know, and I, 0:18:43.210 --> 0:18:44.959 the way you direct and all that. So, and I'm 0:18:44.980 --> 0:18:47.100 your first student. I was like, oh, okay. So I 0:18:47.140 --> 0:18:48.320 just did it by word of, I've always done it 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.260 by word of mouth. So I don't advertise or anything 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:54.100 like that. But I've been very, very fortunate. Wait, wait. 0:18:54.180 --> 0:18:56.179 If I needed you to be my teacher, how would 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:56.770 I find you? 0:18:57.740 --> 0:19:00.440 Good luck. You can just, you know, I've got a, 0:19:00.530 --> 0:19:02.669 I've got a website and I'll, I'll, it's a, what 0:19:02.730 --> 0:19:04.950 is it? Working Actors Workshop or something like that. 0:19:04.990 --> 0:19:05.510 Oh my gosh. 0:19:05.530 --> 0:19:08.220 It was a long ago. And I and that's a 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.359 long story how I got there. But what was my point? 0:19:11.980 --> 0:19:18.570 My point. I'll get there with with with teaching for 0:19:18.590 --> 0:19:24.869 a long time. And oh, because the work that I do. OK, 0:19:24.869 --> 0:19:27.250 do you mind? I'm going to digress a little bit 0:19:27.310 --> 0:19:28.810 about where I where I got. Please. 0:19:29.070 --> 0:19:30.270 No, it's fascinating. Go ahead. 0:19:30.510 --> 0:19:33.689 So. Coming out here, you know, I had gone to 0:19:33.730 --> 0:19:36.720 Juilliard and I was doing theater, theater, theater, theater, theater. 0:19:37.260 --> 0:19:40.060 Never thought when we were living in New York, you know, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.920 you're living at the center of the universe as everyone knows, right? 0:19:44.350 --> 0:19:48.810 Been there for 15 years. Was working all the time. 0:19:48.850 --> 0:19:51.939 We already had a kid. but we were poor as 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.480 church mice. I mean, I was working off Broadway doing 0:19:54.540 --> 0:19:57.979 regional theater, same with Keller, her, my wife. And, you know, 0:19:58.020 --> 0:20:00.859 she woke up one morning and said, we're moving to 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.139 Los Angeles. And I was like, are you insane? Why would, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.840 you know, and she said, we can't eat right now. 0:20:06.859 --> 0:20:09.090 We have a one and a half year old. we 0:20:09.109 --> 0:20:10.930 need to move to Los Angeles because you've already done 0:20:10.950 --> 0:20:14.290 some pilots and blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, okay. 0:20:14.310 --> 0:20:20.250 So came out here, got on the show. And I 0:20:20.590 --> 0:20:24.330 felt like something was missing between me and the camera. 0:20:25.210 --> 0:20:26.869 You know, I felt like, and I don't know if 0:20:26.930 --> 0:20:30.150 it was all the theater stuff, but I just felt like, 0:20:30.170 --> 0:20:34.910 I felt like there was some part of me that 0:20:35.430 --> 0:20:41.189 was hidden or not showing up. And good, lovely Gabrielle 0:20:41.609 --> 0:20:44.170 Carteris said, you got to come with me to a 0:20:44.190 --> 0:20:49.490 Meisner class. And I'd never taken Meisner training. You know, 0:20:49.530 --> 0:20:53.570 I knew about him in New York. And I came 0:20:53.590 --> 0:20:55.189 to class with her and I ended up studying with 0:20:55.210 --> 0:20:57.190 that teacher for three years. Then I ended up studying 0:20:57.210 --> 0:21:00.190 with another teacher for four years while I was doing 0:21:00.530 --> 0:21:03.350 all this. And it really changed. It was like the 0:21:03.390 --> 0:21:06.340 missing piece of, you know, it's not the be all 0:21:06.410 --> 0:21:08.800 end all, but it was really a part of the 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.590 training that sort of got me into like, yeah, what, like, 0:21:12.690 --> 0:21:15.770 what is the quanta of acting? Like, what is, what 0:21:15.830 --> 0:21:20.330 is the real moment of acting? Not what you think 0:21:20.690 --> 0:21:22.360 getting out of your head. You know what I mean? 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:27.920 Really connecting and being affected, which is watching you very powerful. 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.609 And yeah, But it's very challenging to do what we 0:21:32.630 --> 0:21:36.520 do because we have to become vulnerable. Like, you know, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:40.100 other people use their writing skills or other people use 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.719 their head for lawyerly skills. And, you know, we use 0:21:42.780 --> 0:21:45.510 our heart. We use our heart and our psyche and 0:21:45.550 --> 0:21:46.630 we have to be vulnerable. 0:21:46.950 --> 0:21:48.310 Our emotions. 0:21:48.750 --> 0:21:53.250 Our emotions. Yeah. And, you know, how do you do 0:21:53.330 --> 0:21:57.830 that and really contact another human being and really be affected? 0:21:57.850 --> 0:22:00.290 Because the only thing, the only thing that we want 0:22:00.310 --> 0:22:03.370 to watch is being affected by another human being. 0:22:03.990 --> 0:22:07.550 So we want to feel that. Yeah. It's so interesting 0:22:07.570 --> 0:22:10.669 that you said, we're supposed to be recapping an episode, 0:22:10.690 --> 0:22:13.270 by the way. But it's so interesting that you said 0:22:14.650 --> 0:22:18.879 you felt a disconnect between you and the camera and us. 0:22:19.300 --> 0:22:22.120 No one's ever discussed that before with me. But I've 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:27.220 always thought I don't like anything else about what I 0:22:27.260 --> 0:22:29.680 do except the moment I have with the camera. 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:30.920 That's interesting. 0:22:31.100 --> 0:22:33.680 And so it's been really hard for me to go 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.420 back to sitting on a set 14 hours a day 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.940 because I don't really like it. I don't like shooting 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:41.240 the shit. I don't like small talk. 0:22:41.700 --> 0:22:42.940 Yeah. 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.570 I love acting. Yeah. But it's so fleeting. It's just 0:22:46.609 --> 0:22:48.659 a moment every maybe three hours. 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.180 Yeah. But you learn to make friends with it. You 0:22:52.220 --> 0:22:55.940 learn to understand that. I think that's another thing is 0:22:55.980 --> 0:22:57.669 that for a while I was kind of like, oh, 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.750 why are you invading my space? And it changed it 0:23:00.830 --> 0:23:02.970 all for me. It was like, no, no, no, no. 0:23:03.070 --> 0:23:07.990 Invite the camera in. It's your friend. It's your most trusted, 0:23:08.109 --> 0:23:12.910 intimate friend. And it loves watching you. You know what 0:23:12.930 --> 0:23:13.210 I mean? 0:23:13.350 --> 0:23:15.600 It doesn't have an opinion about it. 0:23:16.010 --> 0:23:17.350 No, no, it doesn't. 0:23:17.470 --> 0:23:22.110 This hard glass... It was black and metal and nothing else. 0:23:22.590 --> 0:23:26.149 Yeah. But I love hearing how, for you, what that's like. 0:23:26.530 --> 0:23:30.679 And so you, but because I know you, you, I mean, 0:23:30.700 --> 0:23:33.399 you started working as an actress when, how old were you? 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.660 Oh, not until like seven, 16, 17, 16. Oh, 16, 0:23:35.660 --> 0:23:36.230 not until 16. 0:23:36.220 --> 0:23:38.080 Hello, 23 or whatever. So, but you, so you had 0:23:38.100 --> 0:23:48.760 an experience with a camera early on and you, It 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:53.119 sounds to me like you were never like freaked out 0:23:53.180 --> 0:23:56.480 by it. You never were like, ooh, ooh, self-conscious. 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.370 No, now I am. I'm like, is that, do you 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:00.870 want to back that up a little bit? It gets 0:24:00.910 --> 0:24:02.090 a little, right? 0:24:02.109 --> 0:24:04.770 Broadcast news. Yeah, broadcast. Close, close. Not that close. 0:24:04.810 --> 0:24:05.430 No, not that close. 0:24:06.290 --> 0:24:14.429 Give me a break. That's also where watching yourself on camera, 0:24:15.260 --> 0:24:18.300 I wasn't used to it. I couldn't stand it. So 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.120 the first I think the first episode I directed was 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.899 in season four. What was it? It was God, I 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:27.160 can't even remember which one it was. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.520 Anyway, you can't remember. I can't remember. 0:24:30.540 --> 0:24:34.220 Yeah, no, but but it was really a powerful experience. 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.909 And I remember being in the editing room and I 0:24:37.970 --> 0:24:40.210 love editing and I'd never done that before. So I 0:24:40.250 --> 0:24:43.070 just I I came in even with the assistant editor 0:24:43.090 --> 0:24:45.270 just to watch the whole thing, the whole process, you know. 0:24:46.100 --> 0:24:48.439 So I'm sitting there watching and there's this actor on 0:24:48.460 --> 0:24:52.600 the screen and I'm like, what are you doing? You're not, 0:24:52.980 --> 0:24:55.960 you're not repeating. And I started throwing, it was me. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.180 And I was like, it was so hard to watch 0:24:59.220 --> 0:25:01.700 myself on camera. I was like, you idiot. What are 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:02.480 you doing? 0:25:02.500 --> 0:25:04.600 Oh my God. You're talking to yourself. 0:25:05.100 --> 0:25:05.899 I was talking to myself. 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:06.960 Oh, bless your heart. 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.060 The editor was like, you know, that's you. I said, 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:11.300 I know, I know. 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:15.639 Oh God. That's it's the hardest to watch yourself. 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:25.720 I think so. 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:30.920 You directed episodes on season four. I see that you 0:25:30.940 --> 0:25:33.340 directed six and 29. 0:25:33.340 --> 0:25:34.520 Yes. Very good. 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.159 I'm not good. Lorraine's good. 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:41.020 Little Monsters season five. The one where what's her name? 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.260 She almost kills herself at the end of the. 0:25:43.340 --> 0:25:43.960 Tiffany Val. 0:25:45.310 --> 0:25:45.969 No, no, no. 0:25:45.990 --> 0:25:47.270 Oh, somebody else tries to kill herself? 0:25:47.730 --> 0:25:48.790 Oh, yes. 0:25:49.310 --> 0:25:49.970 The stalker? 0:25:50.750 --> 0:25:52.659 Truth and Consequences. That was what it was. So it 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.840 was Truth and Consequences. It was the actress who was 0:25:55.900 --> 0:26:01.160 kind of, you know, obsessed with Shannon's character and thought 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.619 that she should play the role. Oh, yeah. 0:26:04.050 --> 0:26:06.570 Oh, yes, yes. The whole theater episode. 0:26:06.590 --> 0:26:08.610 The whole theater episode. 0:26:08.630 --> 0:26:09.430 Perfect for you. 0:26:09.790 --> 0:26:14.310 Yeah, it was. Yeah. So, yeah. And that was, and 0:26:14.369 --> 0:26:15.450 Rick was the DP. 0:26:16.710 --> 0:26:18.909 We had such a good family. I mean, and it shifted. 0:26:18.990 --> 0:26:21.580 Our crew changed a lot. That was always hard to 0:26:21.619 --> 0:26:23.600 let people go and then have somebody come in. 0:26:23.619 --> 0:26:23.699 Yeah. 0:26:24.460 --> 0:26:26.040 But that's the business, man. 0:26:27.340 --> 0:26:30.100 It's, and that's what I'm getting at is that, you know, 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.740 opening your heart because you don't have a show unless 0:26:33.780 --> 0:26:38.560 you open up, unless you become that very connected with 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:45.820 each other. So watching this episode, Tell me. It's like, particularly, 0:26:45.859 --> 0:26:47.899 come on, with you and, you know, I know how 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.899 you and Jason are, you know, close and I won't 0:26:51.940 --> 0:26:56.359 even talk about Dearly Departed, which is going to make 0:26:56.380 --> 0:27:04.320 me upset. Yeah, that was hard. To see, you know, 0:27:04.340 --> 0:27:12.790 there's unspoken chemistry between you, you know, so much that's 0:27:12.830 --> 0:27:16.790 happened and it's all reflected in what you're doing and 0:27:18.410 --> 0:27:21.230 and it so it makes it so that you guys 0:27:22.050 --> 0:27:28.010 could play all those subtleties of you know what are 0:27:28.050 --> 0:27:31.530 we with each other are we lifelong friends when this 0:27:31.630 --> 0:27:38.010 is over are we still going to you know. 0:27:37.260 --> 0:27:40.240 Yeah, I remember. Because this is the episode we're talking about. 0:27:40.260 --> 0:27:44.580 We're talking about episode five of season nine, everybody. Brandon leaves. 0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.550 And to remind you, I'm here with special, very, very 0:27:48.590 --> 0:27:54.530 special co-host, James Eckhouse. But it aired in November, early 0:27:54.730 --> 0:27:55.290 November of 1998. 0:27:55.270 --> 0:27:56.109 Okay. 0:27:56.130 --> 0:28:04.669 And this was hard. really hard to, I cried when 0:28:04.710 --> 0:28:07.510 I watched this episode. It was hard to watch, hard 0:28:07.570 --> 0:28:12.190 to film, I remember. Yeah, yeah. Because it wasn't like, oh, 0:28:12.650 --> 0:28:15.619 he might pop back in. He wasn't going to be 0:28:15.650 --> 0:28:18.500 on the show anymore. And that's what he wanted. 0:28:20.020 --> 0:28:21.900 That's what he, Jason wanted, you're saying? 0:28:22.540 --> 0:28:24.679 Yes, he wanted to do other things. He wanted, he 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:25.399 needed to step up. 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.200 He was directing up in Canada by then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.380 he became quite, he's had an amazing career. Yeah, no, 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:32.500 I totally understand that. 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.040 But, So the character was dealing with all her feelings 0:28:35.140 --> 0:28:38.560 and me, the actress, was dealing with all my feelings of, 0:28:38.780 --> 0:28:41.960 you know, as crazy as feeling abandoned or, you know, 0:28:42.180 --> 0:28:45.490 left behind or not good enough. Why wouldn't you stay 0:28:45.550 --> 0:28:48.030 and work here with me? You know, it's so weird. 0:28:48.090 --> 0:28:51.110 We work so beautifully together. Yeah. And then to have 0:28:51.130 --> 0:28:52.870 to like put all of that on the, you know, 0:28:52.890 --> 0:28:56.090 aside and remember this is, I've got a, this is 0:28:56.110 --> 0:28:57.710 my friend in front of me. I want him to 0:28:57.750 --> 0:28:59.970 be happy. Just like Kelly had to do that, you know? 0:29:00.570 --> 0:29:02.430 So it was so life imitating art. 0:29:04.470 --> 0:29:08.610 About that. And you know, it's interesting because Jay, you know, 0:29:08.650 --> 0:29:12.070 Jay has a, you know, hockey player, you know, all, 0:29:12.110 --> 0:29:15.890 you know, full of confidence. You know what I mean? 0:29:15.950 --> 0:29:18.570 And he has that. And that's Brandon's character is having 0:29:18.610 --> 0:29:22.610 that kind of, not placid exterior, but that calm, you know, 0:29:22.770 --> 0:29:26.570 the exterior kind of stays. And I don't, I don't 0:29:26.590 --> 0:29:33.510 think I've ever seen Jay, that idea of He gets 0:29:33.530 --> 0:29:40.400 the job in the newspaper in DC, the Washington, the 0:29:40.540 --> 0:29:43.500 New York, obviously New York times, but when you are chronicles, 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:48.000 you know, becoming a journalist out there. And then, then 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.510 at one point he decides not to do it. And 0:29:51.550 --> 0:29:53.910 then he comes in the beach pit for the first 0:29:53.970 --> 0:29:56.890 anniversary of the, of the, of the newspaper that I 0:29:56.910 --> 0:29:59.890 didn't even know that he and Steven started. And, um, 0:30:01.610 --> 0:30:04.210 you guys all sort of convince him that no, you, 0:30:04.310 --> 0:30:07.570 you have to take the job. And it was interesting 0:30:07.610 --> 0:30:10.640 to watch Jay. I mean, he was wrestling with something, 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.060 you know, and you could really, I started thinking about 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.640 what is he thinking right now? And what is he 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:22.200 thinking about? Yeah, because we've all, you know, the show 0:30:22.260 --> 0:30:24.820 is over for you. The next step is next season, right? 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.770 Where do we go from here? You know, what, what 0:30:28.850 --> 0:30:33.080 is life like afterwards? And, and, It's a real deal 0:30:33.140 --> 0:30:34.840 that we deal with. You know, I mean, I think 0:30:34.900 --> 0:30:38.000 sometimes also, I mean, I always, and you get to 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.660 contact with fans, below fans out there, and they appreciate 0:30:41.700 --> 0:30:46.540 you listening. And I think it's probably interesting to take 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.880 the mask off, you know what I mean? Take the 0:30:49.620 --> 0:30:52.719 thing off and go, yeah, no, no, this is what 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:53.980 we deal with, you know? 0:30:55.540 --> 0:30:58.400 Yeah, I mean, because we're solidified in their minds as 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:02.480 those characters, right? And thank God they were great characters. 0:31:03.500 --> 0:31:04.660 Yeah. 0:31:04.980 --> 0:31:08.040 But, yeah, our fans have been so loyal. 0:31:08.300 --> 0:31:11.700 So loyal. I'm always amazed. You know, I'm always amazed. 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.840 We're so lucky. So lucky. Hey, James, will you read 0:31:14.860 --> 0:31:15.620 the synopsis? 0:31:16.380 --> 0:31:22.110 Okay. So, Donna and Noah struggle with his grief. David 0:31:22.150 --> 0:31:25.610 and Steve no longer have beef. Nice. Sophie will do 0:31:25.970 --> 0:31:30.880 whatever fame. She even gets billboards that spell out her name. 0:31:31.980 --> 0:31:35.480 Val's mom decides not to turn her in after all. 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.650 Kelly and Donna open up a boutique at the mall. 0:31:40.630 --> 0:31:44.010 Brandon is hurt when Kelly won't ask him to stay, 0:31:44.510 --> 0:31:49.210 and for the very last time, Brandon Walsh drives away. 0:31:49.610 --> 0:31:55.020 Okay, I'm feeling feelings. That's the best synopsis reading we've 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.180 ever had. Don't tell Amy, everyone, but You just crushed 0:31:58.220 --> 0:31:59.380 her with that reading. 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.780 The Juilliard training comes out. Wow. 0:32:03.900 --> 0:32:08.800 Yeah, you're good. Directed by Christopher Hibbler. Love him. 0:32:09.430 --> 0:32:10.470 Did you love him? Yeah. 0:32:10.630 --> 0:32:10.990 Yeah. 0:32:11.010 --> 0:32:13.450 I only met him once. And John Eisendrath. 0:32:14.530 --> 0:32:15.970 This was the Eisendrath era. 0:32:16.510 --> 0:32:18.890 Yeah, which was right after my era. So I never 0:32:19.010 --> 0:32:20.770 got to know John. But I did meet him, I think. 0:32:21.290 --> 0:32:21.510 I was. 0:32:23.590 --> 0:32:28.010 Going back to directing, trying to. And I was, I would, 0:32:28.150 --> 0:32:30.810 you know, follow directors around, you know, you would shadow 0:32:30.850 --> 0:32:33.130 a director, which was, and I was doing that a lot. 0:32:33.550 --> 0:32:35.390 And an old friend of mine had been my roommate, 0:32:36.260 --> 0:32:40.100 Ken Olin, who was, became the showrunner on Alias and 0:32:40.580 --> 0:32:45.140 Brothers and Sisters and stuff quite well for himself. So 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.080 John was, I think, one of the showrunners on Alias 0:32:48.540 --> 0:32:53.520 with Ken. That was a great show. Yeah, it was 0:32:53.540 --> 0:32:55.460 a great show. So I got to follow Ken around, 0:32:55.500 --> 0:32:56.200 which was terrific. 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.900 Well, I thought that they did, you know, a really 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:04.320 good job with all the emotional kind of ups and downs, 0:33:04.380 --> 0:33:08.870 backs and forth between especially Kelly and Brandon. Totally. Trying 0:33:08.890 --> 0:33:11.930 to convince themselves that they were doing the right thing. 0:33:11.950 --> 0:33:13.630 Yeah. Yeah. 0:33:13.650 --> 0:33:16.830 But at the same time, wondering, like, am I doing 0:33:16.870 --> 0:33:17.290 the right thing? 0:33:17.790 --> 0:33:17.990 Yeah. 0:33:18.390 --> 0:33:20.010 Is this what we should do? 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:25.130 Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the residue of not going 0:33:25.150 --> 0:33:28.410 through with a marriage, but leading everything up to it. 0:33:28.890 --> 0:33:35.500 I mean, that leaves a huge amount of, not baggage, 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:41.280 but emotional, you know, residue of that. And, you know, 0:33:41.300 --> 0:33:45.740 I think we all, when we see somebody that we 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:52.920 were connected with a long time ago, It's still there. Yeah. Always. Always. 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:54.760 40 years later. 0:33:54.900 --> 0:33:57.980 I think like Brandon, like you said, he comes back 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:02.230 and then he decides he's going to stay because it's 0:34:02.290 --> 0:34:05.610 familiar and he likes it and that's what he knows. 0:34:05.650 --> 0:34:08.210 And I'm sure, you know, living in New York City, whew. 0:34:09.510 --> 0:34:12.450 Yeah. That was a lot. I thought it was D.C., 0:34:12.469 --> 0:34:12.890 but maybe. 0:34:12.969 --> 0:34:15.790 Is it D.C.? You said the New York Chronicle, and 0:34:15.850 --> 0:34:16.870 that threw me, James. 0:34:17.130 --> 0:34:20.670 Well, come on now, Jenny. It was the New York Chronicle. 0:34:20.989 --> 0:34:21.770 In Washington. 0:34:21.890 --> 0:34:23.970 In Washington, D.C. Thanks, thanks. 0:34:24.050 --> 0:34:25.489 You know I can't remember certain things. 0:34:25.510 --> 0:34:31.060 Well, maybe not. Yes, but you also, because of the 0:34:31.140 --> 0:34:34.380 way that he looks at you... So there's the scene 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:40.239 when you guys open the boutique, which is... which is 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:45.850 running through the whole thing. And Noah and Donna are 0:34:45.890 --> 0:34:49.790 having this very complicated, I mean, she's in love with him. 0:34:49.810 --> 0:34:55.819 He's a troubled child. He's a mess. And you say 0:34:55.840 --> 0:35:00.900 to her, look, after a certain point, Also, I don't 0:35:00.940 --> 0:35:04.000 think they deal with his alcoholism. Do they ever deal 0:35:04.500 --> 0:35:06.580 with Noah's alcoholism? Because he's quickly an alcoholic. 0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:07.279 It continues on. 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:07.940 Oh, he is. 0:35:08.180 --> 0:35:10.700 It continues on. But this is all, I guess, brought 0:35:10.820 --> 0:35:12.680 on from the grief of losing his father. 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:14.350 Yeah. 0:35:14.370 --> 0:35:15.850 You know, he killed himself violently. 0:35:15.870 --> 0:35:17.890 Yeah, yeah. 0:35:17.989 --> 0:35:19.790 So he's all messed up. 0:35:19.810 --> 0:35:24.850 Yeah, yeah. Very troubled. Messed up. Yeah. So. 0:35:26.030 --> 0:35:30.300 I feel bad for Donna because she's, you know, wants... 0:35:30.250 --> 0:35:33.239 be there for him but oof he's just not a 0:35:33.260 --> 0:35:34.520 veils right now. 0:35:35.140 --> 0:35:37.779 No no and you're you know you're protecting her and 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.160 i think you see you know but you but so 0:35:40.180 --> 0:35:43.120 what i so when the shop is opening and you 0:35:43.140 --> 0:35:47.640 have the party there you see brandon off to the 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:52.169 side looking wistfully at you and that's where i thought 0:35:52.210 --> 0:35:55.990 he made the decision is he went this is nuts 0:35:56.170 --> 0:36:00.989 there's still I don't know. Not almost unconsciously, you know, 0:36:01.010 --> 0:36:03.009 and that, oh, he does. And then, and then he 0:36:03.030 --> 0:36:04.890 tells Steve and then Steve goes in and tells you, no, 0:36:05.510 --> 0:36:09.700 he's not leaving. And you're like, okay, what are we 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.660 going to do this? This, I don't know about this. 0:36:11.739 --> 0:36:13.660 You know, I feel like Kelly had to have like 0:36:13.739 --> 0:36:17.380 incredible strength to throughout this whole episode, actually, because the 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.790 last episode she was trying to get her stuff back together. 0:36:20.810 --> 0:36:26.160 We met Matt Durning attorney at law. At the last, 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:26.920 before you. 0:36:26.940 --> 0:36:30.180 A little conflict of interest going through this episode, but 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:30.930 that's okay. 0:36:31.050 --> 0:36:34.570 But interestingly enough, those two aren't connecting in this episode 0:36:34.690 --> 0:36:37.210 or the next that I've seen. Sorry, I might have 0:36:37.230 --> 0:36:39.810 watched ahead just so I could prepare for another podcast recording. 0:36:40.810 --> 0:36:46.310 Never done that before. But she's moving forward, no matter 0:36:46.370 --> 0:36:48.190 how much it hurts. And I admired her strength. 0:36:48.210 --> 0:36:49.450 Absolutely. Absolutely. 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.060 Because all of me, Jenny, wanted her to cave and 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.920 be like, yes, move back. It'll be amazing. 0:36:55.380 --> 0:36:58.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see that. And you see that, 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:01.410 but I love the conflict in him, too. I love that. 0:37:02.620 --> 0:37:05.680 You can say that, yes, I can imagine this fear 0:37:05.930 --> 0:37:10.410 of moving to the East Coast and leaving his friends. 0:37:10.530 --> 0:37:14.170 And that gets touched on, but that look is so 0:37:14.250 --> 0:37:18.250 powerful of when he's watching you, you know, in the 0:37:18.270 --> 0:37:22.200 party and you go, yeah, right. You know, there's so 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.680 much unfinished business between you so that's what pulls him, 0:37:25.940 --> 0:37:31.259 you know. Another scene that I love, because you and, 0:37:31.500 --> 0:37:35.219 you know, you and Tori have had an incredible relationship, obviously, 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:41.650 even back then. And seeing you and Donna, That scene 0:37:41.690 --> 0:37:44.770 when you're talking, she's doubtful. You're like, well, here it is. 0:37:44.910 --> 0:37:47.359 You know, you fixed up the place magically, very quickly. 0:37:47.380 --> 0:37:47.839 Very quickly. 0:37:47.910 --> 0:37:55.860 In TV land. And yeah. And there's something really terrific about, 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.759 I'm sorry, but just from a feminist point of view, 0:37:58.780 --> 0:38:05.060 you know, about two very young women at that point 0:38:06.020 --> 0:38:10.990 and being defined by their work. as opposed to their 0:38:11.350 --> 0:38:16.049 male-female relationships, which I don't know if you've noticed, does 0:38:16.110 --> 0:38:20.290 happen in our society a little bit. And, you know, 0:38:20.310 --> 0:38:23.880 so we're talking also 1995, and it was just really 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:29.540 refreshing because Tori was hysterical. She was wonderful in her doubts, 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.000 you know, and the two of you, I thought, okay, 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.640 I want to do a whole show with the two 0:38:35.660 --> 0:38:39.500 of you sisters living together i don't know what you 0:38:39.540 --> 0:38:45.160 have fabulous rapport and quick you know you guys could 0:38:45.180 --> 0:38:48.790 do that kind of wonderful um i don't want to 0:38:48.810 --> 0:38:53.630 say even sitcom me but better than that you know yeah. 0:38:52.710 --> 0:38:55.290 Did you know we did a sitcom together you probably 0:38:55.310 --> 0:38:59.259 don't know that see sorry no don't even it was 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.540 only on for one season it was it was hard 0:39:01.580 --> 0:39:05.529 to shoot but It was really fun because we do 0:39:05.570 --> 0:39:09.860 have that, like, we're sisterly and we complete each other's sentences. 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.560 And no matter how long time goes between seeing each other, 0:39:14.219 --> 0:39:19.779 we'll always have that same sort of banter and connection. 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:23.290 Yeah. What was the sitcom? Oh, gosh. 0:39:23.469 --> 0:39:26.890 Okay. It was called Spy Girl. No, that's a different 0:39:26.910 --> 0:39:29.190 show I did. Hold on. Mystery Girls. 0:39:29.790 --> 0:39:30.580 Okay. Mystery Girls. 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:35.460 Mystery Girls. And we were undercover detectives who were once 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.040 on a famous TV show. I don't know. But it 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:39.759 was really fun. We had a great time. 0:39:39.780 --> 0:39:45.290 Fantastic. Was it like a single camera? No, it was multi-cam. Multi-cam. 0:39:45.330 --> 0:39:46.210 Dream dreams. 0:39:46.489 --> 0:39:46.669 Yeah. 0:39:56.410 --> 0:39:59.410 Let's talk about the Valerie. First of all, a lawyer 0:39:59.469 --> 0:40:03.009 moves in upstairs, an attorney, Matt Durning, attorney at law. 0:40:03.030 --> 0:40:04.489 I'm just going to say that as many times as 0:40:04.550 --> 0:40:10.880 I can in the next season. But he's very attractive. 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:13.580 Yes, I would say so. 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:15.160 Like if you had a Barbie doll. 0:40:16.219 --> 0:40:18.220 Yeah, for a lawyer. For a lawyer. 0:40:18.260 --> 0:40:18.730 This is it. 0:40:18.739 --> 0:40:19.960 Daniel Cosgrove, you're right. 0:40:20.739 --> 0:40:23.109 And everybody's coming. Everybody needs a lawyer all of a sudden. 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.790 He literally just opened his door and now Val needs 0:40:25.870 --> 0:40:28.730 a lawyer. Noah needs a lawyer. I don't even know 0:40:28.770 --> 0:40:29.129 who else. 0:40:30.010 --> 0:40:34.550 Well, the two, Leah and Lenny. 0:40:34.810 --> 0:40:39.580 Leah and Lenny. And then automatically, of course, to create conflict, 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:43.299 they have Kelly on one side with Leah and Matt 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.460 on Lenny's side defending him. 0:40:45.900 --> 0:40:46.799 Yeah. Yeah. 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:53.390 So it gets really quickly. There's stakes, you know, because 0:40:53.410 --> 0:40:56.930 Kelly's not afraid to tell her opinion about this case 0:40:57.469 --> 0:41:02.500 and protecting her, Leah. And Matt's just doing his job 0:41:02.540 --> 0:41:03.680 because that's what he does. 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:08.350 Yeah. Yeah. And he explains that, you know, parents divorced 0:41:08.510 --> 0:41:11.290 and felt like he didn't want to have something happen. 0:41:11.330 --> 0:41:16.750 I mean, he brings up a good point. I think 0:41:16.790 --> 0:41:21.130 we side more with you. And then, of course, Brandon 0:41:21.170 --> 0:41:23.410 joins the fray because he starts to write an article. 0:41:23.430 --> 0:41:26.990 Ooh, yeah. Kelly's like, no, it's OK. 0:41:27.110 --> 0:41:30.399 No, no, no. I wish we saw that scene where 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:35.420 you decide that it's OK to do it. I'm just curious. 0:41:35.580 --> 0:41:38.480 Is there a scene with Leo that we are missing? 0:41:39.260 --> 0:41:42.600 Maybe she needed it to prove something. 0:41:43.020 --> 0:41:43.259 Yeah. 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:44.120 For evidence. 0:41:44.300 --> 0:41:46.520 No, I want this to happen. 0:41:46.940 --> 0:41:49.180 Yeah, but it gets ugly in the next episode. 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:50.940 Oh, does it really? Yeah. 0:41:52.300 --> 0:41:54.529 You've got to watch that. Set your VCR. That's how 0:41:54.550 --> 0:41:58.489 you have to do it. And how do you feel 0:41:58.510 --> 0:42:02.790 about Sophie, this new character Sophie? She's new. She's come in. 0:42:02.870 --> 0:42:05.969 She was dating Steve. Well, she wasn't dating him. She 0:42:05.989 --> 0:42:08.379 was living with Steve, living off of him. And then 0:42:08.420 --> 0:42:09.820 she got involved with David. 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:11.030 Secretly. 0:42:11.510 --> 0:42:14.730 Secretly. Underneath Steve's nose, though. 0:42:14.969 --> 0:42:15.670 Oh, she's trouble. 0:42:15.890 --> 0:42:16.450 She's trouble. 0:42:17.310 --> 0:42:20.810 She's the traditional bad girl. She kind of, you know, 0:42:20.890 --> 0:42:24.230 she kind of, she's along the lines of Val, you know, 0:42:24.250 --> 0:42:27.430 I mean, where, you know, Val's character was always, you know, 0:42:27.530 --> 0:42:32.660 stirring up trouble. I think she's, she's really wonderful. I 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:37.710 love her in the role. And It's a lot about 0:42:37.810 --> 0:42:43.919 ambition for her, what she will do for her career. Yeah. 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:48.160 I don't know. She's great. Laura was great in that role. 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.060 I felt like because they were just doing so much 0:42:51.140 --> 0:42:56.970 character exploration with Val and her past and her sleeping 0:42:57.010 --> 0:43:01.350 with her mom's husband and then her mom. She's working 0:43:01.430 --> 0:43:04.500 on so much personally. That they needed that bad girl 0:43:04.540 --> 0:43:06.740 to just come in and do bad things with no conscience. 0:43:07.739 --> 0:43:11.200 Yeah. Yeah. Because now Val, Val's gotten, oh yeah. I mean, 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.739 I didn't even know half of what she'd gone through. 0:43:13.780 --> 0:43:15.980 You didn't even know she was smoking pot upstairs in 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:16.880 your window sill. 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:26.750 Yeah. Yeah. And sleeping with her. So much. So, oh 0:43:26.810 --> 0:43:30.350 my God, you know? Yeah. So she's carrying a lot. 0:43:30.570 --> 0:43:35.710 She's carrying a lot, but she's not, you see her 0:43:35.790 --> 0:43:40.950 now maybe wrestling with it in a way where she's like, okay, 0:43:41.110 --> 0:43:44.430 you know, like, and she's still working with Noah, right? 0:43:44.469 --> 0:43:47.950 They work. The peach pit has the late night thing. 0:43:47.989 --> 0:43:49.190 What was it? What was it called? 0:43:49.310 --> 0:43:50.250 Peach pit after dark. 0:43:50.630 --> 0:43:51.750 Peach pit after dark. 0:43:51.989 --> 0:43:53.839 But we like to call it pee pad because that's 0:43:53.860 --> 0:43:55.180 a lot to write on the call sheet. 0:43:55.390 --> 0:43:58.520 Pee pad. Pee pad. Yeah. Which was after my time, but, 0:43:58.780 --> 0:44:02.400 but there's still work. And in this episode, if I'm 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.080 not mistaken, because they have a scene together. I'm like, 0:44:05.180 --> 0:44:07.180 what are you guys even talking? I mean, they had 0:44:07.219 --> 0:44:07.540 a thing. 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:11.740 So why are the, why is, why is Noah hanging 0:44:11.780 --> 0:44:14.319 out with Val so much? Is that what you, it's 0:44:14.540 --> 0:44:16.720 like misery loves company. 0:44:17.430 --> 0:44:21.970 I guess. Yeah. Yeah. But then, then, then that's also 0:44:21.989 --> 0:44:25.710 a lot about, do we still remain friends with people 0:44:25.770 --> 0:44:28.879 who we have all kinds of interesting things baggage with 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:33.460 that pops up. I mean, obviously for you and Brandon, right? 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:40.370 Now at this point, I guess Steve and David reveals 0:44:40.510 --> 0:44:42.990 that he's had this relationship with Sophie. 0:44:43.030 --> 0:44:45.090 He saw it at the end of the last episode. 0:44:45.750 --> 0:44:49.230 Steve just went off on him. He found out and 0:44:49.250 --> 0:44:50.950 he went off and that he was like, good luck 0:44:50.969 --> 0:44:51.870 to both of you. And he left. 0:44:53.210 --> 0:44:53.610 Gotcha. 0:44:54.010 --> 0:44:55.170 And I guess he's had time now. 0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:00.080 Yeah. So she was living at the Walsh house with Steve. 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.529 And they were having an intimate relationship. 0:45:06.489 --> 0:45:08.870 Not as intimate as you would. He wanted it to 0:45:08.910 --> 0:45:10.490 be intimate. You know him, of course. 0:45:10.730 --> 0:45:13.630 Okay. I gotcha. And she was kind of toying with him. 0:45:13.690 --> 0:45:15.690 But she toys with everybody. Yeah. I mean, she had 0:45:15.710 --> 0:45:17.890 that scene with Steve and she goes, well, did you 0:45:17.930 --> 0:45:20.050 miss me? I'm like, you little. 0:45:20.070 --> 0:45:23.799 Yeah. She's working it from every angle. All she wants 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:25.759 is to be famous. Or rich. 0:45:27.100 --> 0:45:30.549 Rich. Rich or famous. She puts the billboard up there 0:45:30.570 --> 0:45:34.360 at the end of the episode. Right. She takes David. 0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:36.790 To see this. 0:45:36.830 --> 0:45:37.570 Look at me. 0:45:37.930 --> 0:45:42.590 Look at me. It's so fabulous. It's so Hollywood. 0:45:42.630 --> 0:45:44.330 She says at the end of it, she's like, look 0:45:44.350 --> 0:45:47.840 at me. Puts his head looking at her again. I 0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.740 was like, wow. But she's like, what did that billboard 0:45:50.780 --> 0:45:52.520 remind you of in LA? 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:54.319 Angie. Thank you. 0:45:54.420 --> 0:45:55.100 Angelina. 0:45:55.120 --> 0:46:03.300 Angelina, who I was in the Hollywood parade with Angelina. Oh, wow. Yeah, 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.560 I'm on the Hollywood parade and we're backstage and she's 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.799 going to be in the parade. You know, I was 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:09.380 like one of those things. I was like, really? 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:12.259 You guys, if you hold on, if you don't know 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:16.569 who Angelina is, she's a staple. Angeline, sorry. If you 0:46:16.590 --> 0:46:20.270 don't know who Angeline is, she's like a legend in Hollywood. 0:46:20.370 --> 0:46:24.109 She wanted to be famous. So she I think she 0:46:24.370 --> 0:46:26.089 my what I had heard was she was married to 0:46:26.130 --> 0:46:29.710 a wealthy man, older man. And he got billboards for 0:46:29.750 --> 0:46:32.160 her all over town. And this started in the 90s. 0:46:33.290 --> 0:46:33.550 Yes. 0:46:33.770 --> 0:46:37.560 And so everywhere you went, you saw this beautiful blonde 0:46:37.780 --> 0:46:42.040 busty in a bathing suit, like pose like a kitten 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:42.580 or something. 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:43.620 Yeah. 0:46:43.820 --> 0:46:45.870 On the billboard. And it had her phone number on it. 0:46:46.350 --> 0:46:46.930 That's right. Yeah. 0:46:47.110 --> 0:46:47.489 That's right. 0:46:48.070 --> 0:46:48.689 That's right. 0:46:49.500 --> 0:46:53.219 So this is like Sophie trying to do what Angelina did. 0:46:53.420 --> 0:46:55.910 As soon as I saw that, because that was me 0:46:56.010 --> 0:46:58.089 when we moved here in 88. So it was like, 0:46:58.130 --> 0:46:59.390 that was what I was seeing. 0:46:59.950 --> 0:47:01.609 We're so simpatico you and me. 0:47:01.650 --> 0:47:04.529 It's crazy. It's crazy. 0:47:05.130 --> 0:47:05.880 She still does it. 0:47:06.790 --> 0:47:07.390 She still does it. 0:47:07.469 --> 0:47:11.040 She still drives around town looking for any opportunity for 0:47:11.100 --> 0:47:15.980 someone to notice her in her pink Corvette. And I 0:47:16.180 --> 0:47:19.989 ran into her at a gas station. This is, maybe 0:47:19.989 --> 0:47:21.650 12 years ago, 15 years ago. 0:47:21.670 --> 0:47:21.950 Okay. 0:47:22.989 --> 0:47:25.890 And she was getting gas in the pink Corvette. She 0:47:25.910 --> 0:47:26.750 was pumping the gas. 0:47:26.870 --> 0:47:27.830 She was pumping the gas. 0:47:27.950 --> 0:47:29.750 And I got out and I was like, I have 0:47:29.770 --> 0:47:32.650 to meet you. You're a legend and I have to 0:47:32.690 --> 0:47:35.610 meet you. She pops open her trunk and it is 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.399 a merch store, like curated, hung everything. When you pop 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:44.640 it up, it all hangs perfectly. I bought a photo 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:46.839 of her and had her autograph. It's framed in my 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:47.920 bar still to this day. 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:52.210 Love that i love that so you know i think 0:47:52.250 --> 0:47:56.290 i did this in it was like 93 or 4 0:47:56.290 --> 0:47:58.270 and she was going to be on the hollywood parade 0:47:58.290 --> 0:48:00.510 and they put me on the one of the gloves 0:48:01.430 --> 0:48:05.630 and i had my i guess by then six or 0:48:05.710 --> 0:48:08.750 seven year old young son right and he's in the 0:48:08.790 --> 0:48:13.319 waiting room and he sees this woman busty let's call 0:48:13.340 --> 0:48:14.840 her busty. 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:16.280 You know beautifully busty yes. 0:48:17.330 --> 0:48:20.290 You know dressed rather provocatively and you could just see 0:48:21.330 --> 0:48:27.150 my son's eyes like popping out just calm. 0:48:26.930 --> 0:48:31.810 Down perfect oh man that's what she was going for starting. 0:48:31.530 --> 0:48:33.930 Oh yeah yeah she didn't care where where she got her. 0:48:33.910 --> 0:48:35.680 From she's still out there. 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:37.960 He's still out there we should get her on the 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.859 show hollywood kitsch you know when you first move here 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:44.850 it's it's Fantastic. And it's still here. It was much 0:48:44.930 --> 0:48:49.290 more rampant. There was a guy who also had a Cadillac, 0:48:49.430 --> 0:48:50.030 you know what I mean? 0:48:50.050 --> 0:48:51.110 With his pictures all over it? 0:48:51.370 --> 0:48:51.710 Yes. 0:48:51.730 --> 0:48:52.430 Dennis Woodward? 0:48:52.710 --> 0:48:56.950 Dennis Woodward with his phone number. And you'd see it everywhere. 0:48:57.430 --> 0:49:01.100 He's had his headshots pasted all over like this. Station 0:49:01.140 --> 0:49:02.040 waggy kind of car. 0:49:02.420 --> 0:49:05.520 Yes. Yes. Yes. And you'd see it and you'd keep 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.719 and sometimes I think, OK, what does it mean when 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.469 I see it? Does it mean that I'm going to 0:49:10.469 --> 0:49:12.580 have a good audition or does it mean that I'm 0:49:12.580 --> 0:49:14.149 going to be desperate in my life? 0:49:14.150 --> 0:49:16.219 Living in your in your station wagon. 0:49:15.940 --> 0:49:17.840 Living in my station wagon for the rest of my life. 0:49:19.219 --> 0:49:22.020 Oh my gosh we could talk for hours about all 0:49:22.060 --> 0:49:23.819 that stuff man yeah. 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:26.800 Yeah it was a beautiful okay time wise. 0:49:27.730 --> 0:49:30.310 We're good we're just gonna wrap it up our episode 0:49:30.350 --> 0:49:32.890 we're gonna talk just a little bit about abby valerie's 0:49:32.930 --> 0:49:40.220 mom wow wow this is really all you can say Wow. 0:49:40.340 --> 0:49:42.920 So we've seen her a lot throughout the episodes. 0:49:43.540 --> 0:49:45.080 Here and there. She's come and gone. 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:49.470 And of course, her dad, of course, I mean, her 0:49:49.510 --> 0:49:52.989 mom was on them. Wait, her mom or dad was 0:49:53.110 --> 0:49:57.690 Mamas and Papas? Her mom. Abby Phillips' mom. I somehow 0:49:57.750 --> 0:50:02.850 ended up, I worked with Michelle Phillips. And that was Michelle. 0:50:02.890 --> 0:50:03.969 That was Michelle Phillips. 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.600 Cause I worked with, um, sinking in now you got it. 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:12.680 Yeah. That was an acting class with Mac McKenzie. Uh-huh. 0:50:13.180 --> 0:50:16.450 Also his daughter. And then Bijou and I were in 0:50:16.469 --> 0:50:19.830 a movie together. So I got to meet there, you know, 0:50:20.310 --> 0:50:23.610 met the, some of them. Um, yeah, she, she was great. 0:50:23.790 --> 0:50:28.460 And that, um, the scene in the, I always kind 0:50:28.500 --> 0:50:30.200 of wonder how did she end up, she comes to 0:50:30.219 --> 0:50:33.520 the peach pit to the same, you know, like the, the, 0:50:33.739 --> 0:50:36.000 the year anniversary party. 0:50:36.020 --> 0:50:38.549 Yeah. She's just kind of there. 0:50:39.110 --> 0:50:41.009 She's kind of there, which is kind of, you know, 0:50:41.110 --> 0:50:44.410 but it's, it's convenient. It's writer convenient, but there, you know, 0:50:44.450 --> 0:50:48.270 you're like, why are you here? You know, essentially, I 0:50:48.310 --> 0:50:51.210 think she's trying to find Val to be able to 0:50:51.270 --> 0:50:54.730 tell her that I'm, I've decided not to, you know, 0:50:55.410 --> 0:50:58.190 tell on you for murdering my husband. But we don't 0:50:58.230 --> 0:50:58.930 see that. 0:50:59.410 --> 0:51:01.069 We don't get to see that in this episode, right? 0:51:01.750 --> 0:51:04.630 No. No, no, she does. She sits down with her 0:51:04.650 --> 0:51:07.490 at the counter and she says, I'm not going to tell. 0:51:08.030 --> 0:51:09.450 And then they get into an argument afterwards. Right. 0:51:09.750 --> 0:51:11.870 And she's like, don't make this difficult or something like that. 0:51:11.910 --> 0:51:12.690 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:51:12.830 --> 0:51:15.930 So Val's still not certain. Val's still thinking my mom's 0:51:15.989 --> 0:51:18.089 never going to stand up for me. 0:51:18.670 --> 0:51:20.750 Yeah. I won't ask about it because you can't talk 0:51:20.810 --> 0:51:23.109 about it now until you go through those episodes. But 0:51:23.210 --> 0:51:26.160 now I have to Get back on my Paramount Plus 0:51:26.219 --> 0:51:27.779 and look at it. 0:51:28.660 --> 0:51:30.360 It's so worth it. It's so worth it. 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:36.080 It's great. Yeah, it meant so much to catch up 0:51:36.820 --> 0:51:42.620 with you, but also with the show and see how 0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.870 amazing your relationships have developed. So what I wanted to 0:51:46.910 --> 0:51:52.109 get to is the unspoken love. nature of family and 0:51:52.230 --> 0:51:55.540 what you guys bring to it without even thinking about it. 0:51:55.590 --> 0:51:59.670 I mean, it's, it's, it's so electric. There's nothing like chemistry. 0:51:59.969 --> 0:52:02.950 There's just nothing like chemistry. And when it's there on camera, 0:52:05.550 --> 0:52:08.339 no wonder you still have gazillion fans because you suck 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.040 them in. It's true. 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:13.620 It's, uh, it's, I don't know. I'm just lucky. I 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:16.600 guess we're all lucky to have that, that base of 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.980 fans that have followed us all everywhere. And supported us. 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:21.460 Just been incredible. 0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:23.400 Yeah, we appreciate it so much. 0:52:23.460 --> 0:52:26.529 Yeah, that last, yeah, I'm kind of growing sick of 0:52:26.570 --> 0:52:32.910 the whole Noah being drunk. It carries on further, too. 0:52:32.950 --> 0:52:37.430 It carries on, you know, yeah. Okay. Okay. But we 0:52:37.450 --> 0:52:39.420 need Donna to have that kind of, and then, oh, 0:52:39.450 --> 0:52:42.950 there's the little spark between Donna and Matt. Matt Durning. 0:52:43.150 --> 0:52:44.730 Matt Durning. 0:52:45.820 --> 0:52:46.879 This I did not know. 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:48.239 Well, do you want to go have a drink? And 0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:48.620 I'm like. 0:52:48.900 --> 0:52:50.900 I'm like, is he a friend? I think he's a friend. 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.089 I give friend energy. It feels like it's a little 0:52:54.110 --> 0:52:56.470 more than a friend from his point of view. 0:52:56.610 --> 0:52:57.950 I feel like it's friend energy. 0:52:57.969 --> 0:52:59.430 Yeah. 0:52:59.710 --> 0:53:00.549 But I might be wrong. 0:53:00.570 --> 0:53:01.830 We'll see in the next episode. 0:53:02.190 --> 0:53:02.629 I don't know. 0:53:02.650 --> 0:53:04.850 Okay. We'll see. We'll see. 0:53:04.870 --> 0:53:07.279 It can't go too far because I know Kelly ends 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:08.020 up with Matt eventually. 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:09.760 Well, that's what I thought. Yeah. 0:53:10.300 --> 0:53:12.320 I'm 100% sure about something. 0:53:12.420 --> 0:53:16.149 You know that because you filmed some scenes with him. Yeah. Yeah, right. 0:53:16.930 --> 0:53:17.650 Oh, my gosh. 0:53:18.150 --> 0:53:18.750 Bless your heart. 0:53:19.050 --> 0:53:19.790 Bless your heart. 0:53:21.290 --> 0:53:22.690 Yeah. 0:53:23.230 --> 0:53:26.660 I'm so glad that, you know, us reaching out, asking 0:53:26.700 --> 0:53:29.620 you to do this brought this for you, like this, like, 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:34.600 reconnection to what it was like then and how you 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:36.480 were then and how you got to where you are 0:53:36.540 --> 0:53:39.680 now in life and, like, all the meaning that's just 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:41.969 so thread throughout all of it. 0:53:42.469 --> 0:53:43.270 Yeah, yeah. 0:53:43.630 --> 0:53:45.650 And how lucky we are. That we had each other. 0:53:45.710 --> 0:53:48.640 I feel so honored and so blessed to be asked. 0:53:48.910 --> 0:53:52.060 So I'm very happy to be here. 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:53.480 I'm so happy to see you. 0:53:53.500 --> 0:53:55.730 All right. Well, maybe again sometime. 0:53:55.850 --> 0:53:59.390 I would love it. You're an excellent co-host. I'm going 0:53:59.410 --> 0:54:00.370 to nominate you. 0:54:00.390 --> 0:54:00.690 Yeah. 0:54:00.969 --> 0:54:03.250 I'm going to nominate you for best co-host of a 0:54:03.270 --> 0:54:05.330 podcast in some category. 0:54:05.350 --> 0:54:09.870 Okay. Okay. Reading the, reading the synopsis. Yeah. You did 0:54:09.890 --> 0:54:11.430 a great job. You take care. Okay. 0:54:11.830 --> 0:54:14.030 All my hugs to you. 0:54:14.070 --> 0:54:14.650 Back at you. 0:54:14.730 --> 0:54:16.050 Love to your family. Okay. 0:54:16.070 --> 0:54:17.549 Love to yours. Bye-bye. 0:54:18.110 --> 0:54:19.700 Oh my God. I have to hang out with him again. 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:23.700 I love me some Mr. Walsh and I love me 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.300 some James Eckhouse. You guys, that was such a treat. 0:54:26.420 --> 0:54:29.509 And I'm, So grateful to all of these wonderful guests 0:54:29.530 --> 0:54:31.850 for coming in and visiting with us and taking us 0:54:31.930 --> 0:54:36.700 back to that era of our lives and really just 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.640 jumping in. So thank you. Thank you, everybody, for listening. 0:54:39.860 --> 0:54:41.360 And I will see you next week.