WEBVTT - Colton Underwood Tell All (Part Two) 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.719 Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas, 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:17.120 and today's episode is a continuation of my conversation with 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.560 Colton Underwood, the former Bachelor who famously jumped the fence 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.360 in Portugal and took off into the night with me 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.800 trying to keep up with him. But we talked to 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.120 Colton about he and his husband Jordan, having a baby, 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.040 the joyous news that we got, and we are so 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.240 happy for him. They are going to be incredible parents, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.800 and I'm so excited. And there was one other layer 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.440 to this I wanted to get to because as much 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.560 as Colton and I have talked, one thing we haven't 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.000 done publicly is talk about his time on The Bachelor. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.680 Does he have any regrets? Did he know he was 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.800 gay coming into this? Was there any time when he 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.800 wanted to just scream from the rooftop stop filming. As 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.120 much as we have discussed, we've never really publicly gotten 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.360 into this in his time on the show, and I 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.280 had a lot of questions for him. So I want 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.080 to continue my conversation with Colton Underwood, you know, getting 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.600 you on the podcast today. I was also excited because 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:21.120 you and I we've never really talked about being on 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.200 the Bachelor, going through everything. You and I really have 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.360 never publicly gotten together before, no, I. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.280 Know, and privately though there were many late night phone 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.880 calls and WTF texts and screenshots and all sorts of 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.440 things and being like, what is going on? And I 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.760 will say this like, and I think I've said it 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.120 before too, and like what you went through and what 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.120 I had to go through, just having somebody who was 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.720 there for me and supporting in an ear and a shoulder, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.360 with the ability to like say, hey, you're going to 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.520 have to own like you have to take responsibility or 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.680 you have to own this, and just a good friend. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:02.280 I can't say thank you enough for that. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.920 Yeah, well you're very welcome. And uh, you know I 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.480 always say if you love somebody and they're your friend, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.080 they're your friend. Good bad ugly, you know, good press, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:13.560 bad press. We got to get through it, and you 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.520 get through it together. And there were some dark times 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.040 and and I appreciated how you did own up to 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.400 everything and we got through it. And same thing with me. 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.480 You guys, you you and then now Jordan were there 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.680 when Lauren and I went through the melee we went 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.280 through and you get through this stuff together and you 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.600 learn and you try to have grace and love and 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.880 and here we are and it's you know, it's it's 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.040 the things that those stories and everything is what made 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:39.400 us who we are and it's gotten us to this 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:40.079 point today. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.880 For sure. Yeah, I think, look like anything in life, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.960 things are complicated and layered and complex and there's not 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.560 a straight single answer that a lot of people are 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.560 looking for. And I know very much like that was 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.959 that was for sure my journey and just knowing the 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.920 little glimpse of three shows in one year that I 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.600 got to do and be a part of, Like that's 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.760 a it's a beast of a franchise and it's a 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.640 it's a huge undertaking. It's a huge toll on on 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:14.320 your body physically and mentally. So it's just my heart 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.680 always goes out to anybody who goes through that, you know, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.440 It's just it's a it's a hard commitment. It's not 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.600 as easy as people think. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.079 Do you you know, this might be a weird question 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.000 because yeah, you might redo it, but do you regret 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.600 doing it or do you respect the fact that it 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.560 took that to get you to where you are today. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.760 You know, I've been asked that before, and I really 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.080 truly at this point, you know, I can always admit 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.600 that I have regrets. I think I'm appre I appreciate 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.560 that I did have to go through that, and I 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:53.560 I think I strategically put myself through that to try 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:58.320 to be straight so badly because I wanted that so badly. Yeah, 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.520 and look, I I do think there is a good chance, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.880 like if I didn't go through that, like I wouldn't 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.320 be here on this earth like I And that sounds 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.200 really sad and messed up to say, but like if 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:14.240 I didn't have that experience, like I wouldn't I just 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:19.360 wantn't have survived. And you know, mixing the global pandemic 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.440 and quarantining and then coming out during the pandemic just 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.320 on top of it, it's complicated. So I guess, like 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.880 the short answer is like, no, I wish I wouldn't have, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.800 Like for a lot of people's sakes, I would have 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.360 saved a lot of people time. But also like if 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.680 anybody can learn and look at my point of view, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.159 in my opinion, it saved my life and it allowed 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.600 me to live the life that I would like always 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.920 wanted but never thought I could live. So I think 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.760 like there is some beauty in that. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.560 I was curious if you ever came close during filming 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.599 to just saying, hey, I tried, I'm trying to be 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.320 this person. I'm realiz using I'm not or did you 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.600 not have that realization yet? 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:11.280 No? I mean, look, deep down, I knew I like 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.240 I knew I was gay while we were filming, but 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.080 there was also a part of me, maybe not as 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.320 deep down, that felt like I could possibly change, like 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.280 there was hope. It was confusing because I was still 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.560 feeling like I had an attractive level to women, but 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.960 there was never space and an opportunity. And this is 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.640 not on you, as like the host of the show, 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:35.279 but I never felt comfortable approaching you and or production 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:40.320 saying I'm struggling with my sexuality here, like let's have 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.000 this conversation, and I don't look, look, I don't even 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.479 know if you would have been able to like handle 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.520 that of basticularly being like, holy crap. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.400 I would like to think that the show could have, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.760 but deep down I know it wouldn't have. And I 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.000 hate to say that, and it's not a dig at 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.240 the show. It's just not what that does it they're 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.920 there for, and I think it would have been bastardized 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.440 and exploited. And I mean, hell, they tried anyway, you know, 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.000 even without your your blessing. I mean that was the 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.200 whole Billy Eichner comment. He didn't come up with that comment. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.039 He was told to say that. You know, you and 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.600 I have had these discussions, you know how they tried 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.200 to you know, they had their suspicions and tried to 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.920 out you and throughout the show, and so you know, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.040 I would love to have said, hey, I wish you 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.000 would stop me on the beach when we were jogging 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.840 one day in Vietnam and said hey, man, can we 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.919 have this conversation you and I could have, But I 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.760 don't think it would have been handled better on the show. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.520 I agree, And I think there is there is a 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.240 part that I was so in it too that I 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.400 really didn't fully understand who I couldn't and could trust. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.000 I think that's also as you know too, Like I 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.599 think there was this one the one moment where after 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.440 like I jumped the fence and the next day I 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.200 came back and we sat down and I looked at 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.240 you and like the first two questions were great, and 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:04.600 I felt like we were in this conversation. All of 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.159 a sudden, I like get a pick up and I 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.720 see you know, you're wearing your in ear and I 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.080 was like, Chris, can you take the in here out? 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.160 And like let's just have a conversation here and you're 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.680 like yeah, and you took it out and hit it 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.440 and you're like and that I always appreciate it, and 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.280 that from them that moment, I knew I could trust you, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.040 because like, Okay, here's somebody who values me and my 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.320 life and my story and what I'm going through over 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:30.240 making a good TV show. So like I I now, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:31.920 I know that I could trust you. But back then, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.520 when we were on that beach running around, I was 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.760 like there was there would have been no space space 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.800 for me to know who I couldn't and COO trusts. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.000 And that's very fair. I definitely would have told you 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:43.600 to feel the same way. I mean, it's you know 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.680 it because you're doing a show, and you know I 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.560 always the show can catch a lot of grief for 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.040 a lot of things, but at the end of the day, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.840 they are doing something that is it's a business to 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.520 make money, and you are part of that business making money. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.960 And it's odd because yes, it's our lives and it's 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.320 artistic and there's all these other layers to it. At 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.640 the end of the day, it's a job and you're 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.200 hired essentially to do a job, even if that job 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.440 is to fall in love. So it's a very interesting dynamic. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.000 And I always try to tell people, you got to 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.600 understand the Colton's and the Hannahs and all these people 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.840 of the world. Yeah, they signed up for this, but 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.480 don't give me the oh, they should know what they're 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.960 getting themselves into, because it's just you don't know until 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.560 you're in the middle of it. And it's different for 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.360 everybody totally. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.240 I mean, that's that's the thing. And I think for 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.679 people to understand too, Like most of these leads right 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.559 now when they get tapped to lead that show are 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:43.960 in their twenties. I mean yeah, Like you know, I 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.880 especially was emotionally stunted because of sports, and I'm like, look, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.559 I know you have a son who is in the 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.200 cross and committed to that sport very like, but I 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.000 know he also has a girlfriend. But like for me, 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.400 I just didn't. I avoided relationships and I avoided like 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.040 trying to figure out like my emotional growth. So by 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.640 the time I was a bachelor, yes, I was like 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.679 what twenty five twenty six when I did that show. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.960 Emotionally though, I was still a teenager, I was still immature, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.000 didn't really know what I was looking for. Probably shouldn't 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:15.600 have been in that position. But also is like, this 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.000 is an opportunity of a lifetime that for many different 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.000 reasons that I'm looking for. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.960 But but yeah, I mean there's there's always layers to 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.240 a person being the Bachelor bacherette. And I mean you 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.360 and I have had long discussions about this, and I 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.000 thought long and hard about it. I mean, because it's 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.360 like being a child star. You were a sports star. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.439 You went to the NFL the point one percent make 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.240 it to the NFL, but it also you kind of 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.200 stopped growing because you are so worried about growing to 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.920 be an athlete, and you got this this thing and 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.880 so this other party you kind of stops and the 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.480 rest kept going. And so you're a grown man, you're 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.280 playing in the NFL, and then all of a sudden 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.080 you're the Bachelor. It's like, but this other part of 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.679 you never had a chance to catch up, and that's 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.280 what kind of slingshot, and that's I think it took 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.080 the Bachelor. And again, I'm with you. I think at 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.520 the end of the day, I would say, don't regret that. Yeah, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.760 sure you can apologize and you wish it had gone 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.440 better for certain people, but at the end of the day, 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.560 it caused you to catch up and the scales got 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.080 to even out a little bit for you. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.720 I would definitely agree with that. I think that's a 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.199 great way to put it. I never thought of it 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.720 like like that, but yeah, it was very much. I 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.160 prioritized a different career than I did, like my own 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.400 personal growth, and all of a sudden, I'm in this 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.920 intense year of filming Bachelorette, Bachelor and Paradise Bachelor and 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.200 doing all of this self work. And that's also like, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.080 that's also why I somewhat am at peace with even 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.240 the women who were on my season, and I feel 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.360 like they also went through a lot of self work too, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.000 and they got out what they wanted out of that 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:55.680 show too, you know. And you know, I do hear 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.560 that or see comments every once in a while, being 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.760 like you wasted so many women's time. I'm like, they 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.720 had a good time and went to travel the world 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.480 with me. Yeah, it's complicated. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:07.679 And by the way, it's it only was going to 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.760 end up good for you mean, ninety nine percent of 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.200 the people that come on the show don't end up 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.560 with somebody. That's that's that's you know, I'm not a 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.560 big believer in all that. I mean, if you had 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.360 had that understanding and you came in to fool everybody 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.080 and you actually showed up to deceive us, all, that's 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.720 one thing. But having that realization later there's not much 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.840 difference than that, and say, Bob Guiney finding out later 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.760 you know what, I'm not ready for a relationship. You know, 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.439 did he waste everybody's time technically, but he didn't do 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.400 it to deceive anybody. You weren't being malicious, you know, 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:39.880 that wasn't in your heart at the time. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.920 No, there was lots of christs or help. That's sort 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.400 of what I'm realizing is like my sub blanch is 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.240 basically being like, help help me come out, help me 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.080 get through this, Tell me what's right, tell me what's wrong? 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:52.880 What do we need to do? 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.320 Was there anything as you look back because a lot 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.040 of people have come on the podcast and they've said, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.880 you know, I had a question for you. I've always 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.400 wondered this, and you and I have had a lot 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.560 of these conversations. But I'm just curious if there's still 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.240 anything that sticks out to you that you wonder about 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.559 with the show with me or anything that happened. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.320 You know, most of them I've already asked you. I 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.560 you know I was. I was so paranoid though, like 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.640 just because and I've publicly said this before too, Like 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.360 you know, I did have a like not a relationship, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.160 but like a physical relationship with a man before, like 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.800 I went on too that show. So I was always 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.760 so paranoid. But the majority, and this is the sad part, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.600 and also what I want people to realize, is like 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.280 that easily could have been me. Most of those men 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.959 who I had had it some sort of physical connection 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.240 with were married with families and like in a similar 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.920 position that I was like in and my process behind 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.920 and that was, if they're going to help me, they 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.640 have to have just as much, if not more, to 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.440 lose than what I have. So my I was always 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.040 sort of operating with so much anxiety while we were 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.640 filming that show, and while that show was airing, and 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.600 while I was doing press that there would be like 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.440 that one person who like emails a producer and the like, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.040 I know he hooked up with my friend, you know 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.280 here in this state. And so that was always something 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.559 that I was a little nervous about. And some things 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.720 like necessary questions. It's more so too, like the way 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.719 that my virginity was handled, like of course, like I 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.439 would have loved to give a straight answer of why 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.319 I was a virgin. I hid beyond my faith, I 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.360 hid behind football, I hid behind I mean you know 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.120 this because you had to ask me ten million times 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:44.960 on the show, and I would give you a different 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.880 answer every time you asked me. And they're like everybody's 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.520 like I remember, like there's people who even publicly were like, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.960 why is he a virgin again? And I'm like, because 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.520 I couldn't say I'm questioning my sexuality to Chris, so 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.200 I had to say all of these other things. Now 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.520 that I've been in this industry for a little bit, 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.800 you that's a machine of a franchise and you have 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.559 to do some savage things to get to that level. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.679 And now I have full a better understanding of what 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.560 they do and how they operate and who they are. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.760 And I've also had the privilege and opportunity to work 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.800 with other production companies since that and know that that's 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.240 not the norm. I think that was the cool thing 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.520 about getting out love it, appreciate it for what it 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.680 did and taught me, but also realize it's just not 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.160 for me. Like that. The way that they roll is 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:33.520 is not how I want to roll and not how 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.760 I want to do business. And I feel like you 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.480 can still entertain people and put on a good show 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.200 and take care of those people too. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.400 Yeah, and you can, and that's that's happening, and that's 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.560 what's happening more and more, and so it's you know, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.320 I had to take people aside when they came on 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.400 the show and tell them when they were new, look, 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:55.920 I know you've been in the business for a while. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.800 We do television unlike anybody's ever done television, and some 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.920 of it's just a victim of our success. Like a 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.080 lot of these people grew up. They were eighteen, nineteen, 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.360 twenty years old. They started working on the show because 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.920 it was a nothing show, and then they stayed on 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.360 the show for twenty years. And so they never really 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.120 learned anywhere else to bring kind of the technical TV 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.040 skills in. So they just created this system. And so 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.760 we did things a lot of times in a very 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.640 backwards way, but it's the way we did it. And so, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.680 you know, and I went off and did Millionaire, you know, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.960 spelling Bee, and I did a million other shows, and so, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.800 I mean, I had a lot of experience, and so 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.840 I always just I knew when it came back to 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.720 the Bachelor, this is how we do television. It's just 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.960 it's very backwards in the way producers ran the show 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.680 and as opposed to a director, et cetera. It was 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.280 very interesting. And you're right, it doesn't have to be 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.200 that way, and it's not on a lot of places. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.560 But I always said, they're just a victim of their 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.560 own success, and that's it's not a terrible and that's 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.560 not a terrible thing. They've been, you know, going for 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.120 twenty years now, So it is what it is. Things 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.479 I do know, do you keep up with the franchise 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.680 at all? Do you still watch? Do you know what's happening? 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.720 I don't I know what's happening because I'm on social 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.560 media and I see things like I saw obviously, you 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.560 know the success of Golden Bachelor. I also saw they 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:18.760 broke up immediately after, you know, like I definitely see it. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.160 I don't tune in, I don't watch. I have, you know, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.880 a texting relationship with a few of the producers over there. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.600 And I'm at peace now with it, Like I don't, 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.360 I have zero ill will towards them. I'm actually appreciative 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.440 of like what I've gone through and what they've been through. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.200 I think hopefully they've learned a few things. I know 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.920 a few people have been in and out of out 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.080 of working for them now, so I keep up a 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:40.840 little bit, but I want to go back because one 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.240 thing that always stood out to me that you told 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.760 me on the day that we shot our promo photos 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:50.560 for the season. You said, Hey, I'm Chris. I just 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.800 want to like introduce myself in like you leaned in 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.040 your like pick your battles wisely. It's like choose, choose 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.240 your battles wisely. And I was like, okay, So that 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:00.800 was sort of my mind to do this whole thing. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.400 Is like anytime I wanted to get upset or being 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.440 like fight and resist it, I had to remind myself, Okay, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.040 is this worth it? And there were very few moments 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.240 where I was like, okay, this is worth it. And 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.679 then I think you saw the you know, the mountain 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.359 explode and Portugal, when I finally jumped the fence, I 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.119 was like, okay, I cannot do this. But yeah, you 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.159 always you always, Yeah, you always gave good advice. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.120 Yeah I know I did mean that because I saw 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.600 bachelors and bacherettes that would fight for everything. And you know, 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.719 it's one of those old sayings. If you stand for everything, 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.280 you stand for nothing, and you know you can't win 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.359 and fight every battle every day because they're shooting a show. 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.600 And I told you this, and I told I told 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.520 every bachelor and bacherette. I said, look, you have to 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.199 give a little. There's things we have to do to 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.800 shoot a television show. But if it's something that means 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.520 enough to you, then hold your ground and dig in. 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.600 And that's the hill you got to be willing to 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.080 die on. And Portugal was the hill you were willing 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.000 to die on. I was willing to die on it 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.320 for sure, Yes you did. Instead you just cleared it 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.119 and off off into the wilderness. Well, hey, I know 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.320 you're in New York and as Jordan with you, you 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:10.359 guys head in to a show. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.719 Yeah, we're going to a Broadway show tonight and then 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.040 doing dinner, and we're really just like taking this moment 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.560 for ourselves, like we uh, we came out. We were 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.600 both in DC for some work. I'm still doing some 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.879 lobbying for mental health bill that I that I'm working on. 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.199 And Jordan obviously is gearing up. He does a lot 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.760 of social impact around politics and there's a lot going 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.520 on in our country and now unfortunately, so we're working 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.320 to just continue to continue to try to serve as 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:40.159 bridges to many different people's cultures, communities, and but right 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:41.960 now we're sort of just wrapping each other with love 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:43.560 and joining where we're at. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.920 Well, you know, it's easy for it would have been 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.560 easy for you guys after you got married, to just 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.560 disappear and never be heard from again. But to use 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.240 what you have for good and to be a bridge 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.359 for for hope, for good, for love and all that is. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.119 It's a good thing. It's a wonderful thing, and not 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.240 everyone will see it like that. But that's not your job. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.879 Your jobs not to try and convince everybody. But I 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.480 appreciate what you guys do, and I always appreciate your 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.880 time and more importantly, always appreciate your friendship. 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.840 Well, thank you. I appreciate you and Lauren both, and 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:16.679 I know Jordan wanted me to tell you hello and 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.639 her hello as well. So yeah, I can't wait for 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.600 our next hang, whether we're in Austin or you're you're. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.000 Out in la likewise, and I can't wait for that 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.240 first family meal when we're there and you guys have 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.040 a baby and y'all are just getting spit up on 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.760 and foods everywhere, and Laura and I just get to 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.280 sit there and have our glass of wine and just 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:38.440 get to relish. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.040