WEBVTT - Cat Parasites Conquer the World

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. Mym is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie.

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<v Speaker 1>The more we discuss the world and the way it

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<v Speaker 1>works and the way we perceive it, the more labyrinthine

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<v Speaker 1>it confused. Yeah. Yeah, the more layers that you feel away,

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<v Speaker 1>the more layers you find underneath. Right, right, you look

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<v Speaker 1>back on a time pretty much like the post War

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<v Speaker 1>War two era, Like that was the time when it

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<v Speaker 1>was all this optimism that we had things more or

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<v Speaker 1>less figured out, that we were venturing into this age

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<v Speaker 1>where everything's gonna make sense. Diseases, we're going to defeat space,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to travel. Everything was within our grasp. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we started learning more and more and things become

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<v Speaker 1>just more and more complicated. I mean, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a simplification, but but that's kind of the the story

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<v Speaker 1>shaped version of it. And yeah, it seemed like science

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<v Speaker 1>was emerging to the degree where we could really get

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<v Speaker 1>a handle on things. And you know, psychologically we had

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<v Speaker 1>Freud and Young and we're really trying to be introspective

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<v Speaker 1>and say, ah, yes, this is what drives human beings, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems that humans were the lords of the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>that we this was our planet, we had it not,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were going to be the poster children of

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<v Speaker 1>this planet moving forward. But the topic we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today really sheds a light on just one

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<v Speaker 1>of the areas where humans are not the top dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>The topic that really illuminates how the organisms that operate

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<v Speaker 1>in the shadows, and at a much smaller level, it

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<v Speaker 1>may just be the rulers of the planet, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>organisms inside of us. And we've actually talked about this before,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not we actually have free will, And we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this from a psychological perspective like, oh, did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that a lot of people who are named

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<v Speaker 1>Denise tend to be dentists or Dennists tend to be dentists.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was in David Eagleman's book, right recent book Incognito,

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<v Speaker 1>that talked about all these sort of subtle machination is

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<v Speaker 1>going on that really informed our worldview and the decisions

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<v Speaker 1>we make. But we've also talked about little critters and

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<v Speaker 1>how how we may actually just be you know, walking

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<v Speaker 1>transportation for these guys, so that we we can just

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<v Speaker 1>spread critters among the earth. And this has become even

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<v Speaker 1>more apparent recently with a recent article that's been in

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<v Speaker 1>the news. I believe that the the name of it

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<v Speaker 1>is how your cat is Making You Crazy? And this

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<v Speaker 1>is by Kathleen Mcaliffe and this was in the March

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Atlantic. Yeah, this of course deals with

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<v Speaker 1>good old taxo taxo plasma gandhi taxo plasmosis being the infestation. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>and this comes out up every year or two. I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a bunch about it for Animal Planet a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years back. Yeah, you you have actually talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before, but yeah, definitely, there's there's a driving force

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<v Speaker 1>now though around the topic, because there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>different studies that are beginning to support this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>this our side is doing some really crazy Shenanigan stuff

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<v Speaker 1>with not just animals but perhaps even humans. Right, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a simplistic way to think of parasites, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is a new way we often think. We we

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<v Speaker 1>think in terms of oh, I have a leech on me,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I have a mosquito on me, or a gear

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<v Speaker 1>tick or something, and and these are external parasites. But

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<v Speaker 1>the model is simple. There's a weakness in my defense

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<v Speaker 1>is something is stealing energy from me and then moving on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a blood sucker. Um And that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty straightforward con. But something like ke Gandhi. Here T

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<v Speaker 1>Gandhi is playing the long con and and has and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so intricate. I mean, this is like what was

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<v Speaker 1>the Kaiser so say movie, Oh the Unsuspected really usual,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's like that level of complex plot

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<v Speaker 1>going on where when you begin to see the full

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<v Speaker 1>life cycle of this organism and see the full scheme

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<v Speaker 1>as much of it as we can understand, you really

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<v Speaker 1>odd because it's not just a matter of something, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a little room for me to live inside you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna inside you where it's warm. No, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's far more. You're right. If T Gandhi was plain Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be like the ultimate grifter move what we're

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<v Speaker 1>about to describe. There would be a parasites. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well here we go. Okay, So let's talk about T.

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<v Speaker 1>Gandhi Texi Plasmosa Gandhi, and let's talk about what it

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<v Speaker 1>actually is and why it is so fierce. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>Toxoplasmosa gandhi is a protozoan parasite and the only known

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<v Speaker 1>definitive hosts for T. Gandhi. That's what we're gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>it from here on out. Our domestic cats in their relatives,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's why our feline friends have been in

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<v Speaker 1>the news lately too, and a little bit demonized, which

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about later. The cats. Cats, Yeah, yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>in general they're kind of demon They steal your breath, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they say. But old T. Gandhi here makes

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<v Speaker 1>the cat, the feline. It's primary host. This is where

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<v Speaker 1>it reproduces. This is the the mothership for T. Gandhi,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's life cycle takes it to other creek is

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So this fantastic journey begins inside spaceship cat

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<v Speaker 1>inside the mothership, all right, the new toxoplasma they multiply

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<v Speaker 1>in the lining of an infected cats and testing. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so the cat eats something, picks up the parasite, right,

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<v Speaker 1>get in the tummy. It reproduces in the cat. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the primary host again, So that's what goes on here.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the toxoplasma young, which are called ship out

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<v Speaker 1>on the feces, okay, um, right, and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>common practice among parasites. That's the outgoing highway from most organisms.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's so if you need to get out, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way you gotta go. And this is shed for

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<v Speaker 1>like one to two weeks or so, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the feces of the cat. In any creature that encounters

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<v Speaker 1>this stowaway laden waist is susceptible to accidental infection. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this means you know, everything from touching a litter box,

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<v Speaker 1>walking around on barefoot, on infected soil, infected water, infected

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<v Speaker 1>garden veggies, where there's poop, there's a way, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so if you think of a bird or a rodent

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<v Speaker 1>trapesing across a pile of fresh cat poo, then obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that that's a great way for the parasite to hit

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<v Speaker 1>a ride now on say a rat, right, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it needs to do. Ultimately, this parasite needs to

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<v Speaker 1>return to a cat, all right, And it really like

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<v Speaker 1>that the rat is very important here. This parasite loves

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<v Speaker 1>the rat. Yes, so the rat also you know some

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<v Speaker 1>some birds things that cats eat. That is it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>ticket back aboard a cat. Somewhere. So now it's aboard

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<v Speaker 1>the rat, the bird, whatever the intermediate host may be.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually what happens your pet cat corners this intermediate

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<v Speaker 1>host um you know, in your cellar, in your backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>in the neighbor's yard, wherever it happens to do. It's hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've ever seen your cat with one of

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<v Speaker 1>these animals, you know what happens next. It gobbles it down,

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<v Speaker 1>or gobbles half of it down, and then leaves the

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<v Speaker 1>other half for you to find on your computer day. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>puts its head on a steak. It says, like what

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<v Speaker 1>I did. But when the cat eats this intermediate host,

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<v Speaker 1>the cycle continues. Now the taxoplasma is in its system anew,

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<v Speaker 1>it is returned to a primary host. Yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this is the coolest thing about this or frightening or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever your perspective is, is that it returns back to

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<v Speaker 1>the cat where those ussis transform into taki a z o.

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<v Speaker 1>It's after ingestion, and that's where it becomes the adult

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<v Speaker 1>version of the parasite. And it's really the only way

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<v Speaker 1>that it can fulfill this life cycle again through the

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<v Speaker 1>cat right just on its own. I mean, the cycle

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of cool, but it's not completely mind blowing

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously cats eat mice and birds, so the circle

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty simple. It's not completely crazy until you start

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the times subtle manipulations that are going on

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<v Speaker 1>inside the intermediate hosts. So when the cycle begins a

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<v Speaker 1>new it's important though, to stress that more than birds

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<v Speaker 1>and and mice are susceptible to this parasite will end

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<v Speaker 1>up in humans. Little does the parasite. There's probably a

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<v Speaker 1>little chance that once it ends up in a human

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<v Speaker 1>that a cat will eat that human. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>happens sometimes, but for the most part, feral cat hordes

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<v Speaker 1>are not overwhelming humans on the train as far as

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<v Speaker 1>we know. I don't know this because this could be

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<v Speaker 1>a plot by the cats, you know, to infect a

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<v Speaker 1>subtle defends out through they are, I guess. But but

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, this is kind of collateral damage.

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<v Speaker 1>The parasite needs to return to the cat. It needs

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<v Speaker 1>to get in a bird or a rat to do so,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll try pretty much anything. Yeah, So think about

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<v Speaker 1>this parasite it's now taken up you know, home, and

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<v Speaker 1>say like an animal um and the and the tissues

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<v Speaker 1>of an animal usually in the muscle tissues, and these

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<v Speaker 1>little cysts are there, So how can it infect a human?

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<v Speaker 1>You will you could eat undercooked meat of an animal

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<v Speaker 1>that has those those cysts in it. Because I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the litter box thing is is an obvious but yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are more subtle ways to yet yet litter box

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<v Speaker 1>even just say stepping on people contaminated soil and then

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<v Speaker 1>accionally like swiping your finger on it and then dipping

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<v Speaker 1>it in your mouth. Right, so think about that. The

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<v Speaker 1>next thing you see children running around barefoot in the

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<v Speaker 1>yard actually kind of creepy. Right. Blood transfusion or organ

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<v Speaker 1>transplantation and transplants centrally from mother to fetus. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that a lot of people have heard about toxoplasmosis

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of pregnant women because that really is a

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<v Speaker 1>concern in the medical community because if a to be

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<v Speaker 1>mother actually were to have toxoplasmosis, she could then transport

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<v Speaker 1>that via the placenta to the fetus, and that really

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<v Speaker 1>can cause a lot of problems, anything from blindness to

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<v Speaker 1>mental disabilities to brain damage. So it's that that's usually

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<v Speaker 1>how people know of this. But okay, let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>it does occupy the brains of a human who is

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<v Speaker 1>not pregnant. And by the way, this is not as

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<v Speaker 1>uncommon as you would think. And actually it is just

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<v Speaker 1>going to hang out there for the rest of your

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<v Speaker 1>life in your body, all right, it's kind of dead

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<v Speaker 1>ended in spaceship human, but it's going to stick around

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<v Speaker 1>very chance that a cat may eat you one day

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<v Speaker 1>exactly that they they finally get the world dominancy that

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<v Speaker 1>they are looking for. Yeah, it is buried in your

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<v Speaker 1>muscle and nerve tissue. And this is not We're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like a rare circumstance where oh, they just

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<v Speaker 1>happen to have a cat parasite, because you do have

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<v Speaker 1>some situations where a parasitic infestation in a human is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a rare occurrence and causes all these problems.

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<v Speaker 1>But the U S inert for Disease Control Prevention estimates

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<v Speaker 1>that twenty two point five of the United States twelve

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<v Speaker 1>and older population currently carries the TOXO parasite and estimates

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<v Speaker 1>run is high as nine in some parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So between thirty and sixty percent of the global population

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<v Speaker 1>is infested. That is an incredible amount of humans infested

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<v Speaker 1>with us, right and you know, just for comparisons sake,

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<v Speaker 1>let me look at France and that's upward to like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five percent. And again it's a thought because in

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<v Speaker 1>France it's much more common to have uncooked meat or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, still uncooked the uncooked. But that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>sound like they're the frenchmen are running through the fields

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<v Speaker 1>like pulling down cows and horses and deer. Yeah, with

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<v Speaker 1>with big fancy curly mustaches. But no, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>state tartar are some of the ways that the meat

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<v Speaker 1>is prepared wherever there's a tradition of rare to raw

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<v Speaker 1>meat consumption. So of stick tatar is big in a

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<v Speaker 1>region and domestic cats are around, there's a chance that

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be higher, right, Or if you live

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<v Speaker 1>in conditions where you're the soil is contaminated quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit and you don't have say the means to have

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<v Speaker 1>access to clean water, of course, and infanstation rates would

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<v Speaker 1>be much higher. Um. But okay, so there's all this

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<v Speaker 1>data swirling around. Now you know the life cycle of

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<v Speaker 1>texoplasmas gandhi, and do you understand that us humans are

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<v Speaker 1>far more infected than we probably ever knew, Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>what's the big deal. Well, the big deal is that, again,

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<v Speaker 1>the cycle itself, the ideal cycle of cat to rat,

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<v Speaker 1>the cat is pretty straightforward. But these guys trying to

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<v Speaker 1>gain the process because they really once they're in spaceship rat,

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<v Speaker 1>they really want to dock with the mothership again. So

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<v Speaker 1>they essentially pilot this mothership a little and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>completely take the controls. It's not the sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>zombie thing, though, You'll definitely see that situation play out

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<v Speaker 1>in some parasitic infestations, but in this one, it's more

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<v Speaker 1>of a subtle tweaking of the design functions in the rat. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually changes the behavior of the rat. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here's the rats fear response specifically to cats. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the rat needs to return to the cats. So

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<v Speaker 1>what can I do as a parasite to to set

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<v Speaker 1>up this encounter to encourage my rat host to wind

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<v Speaker 1>up in the belly of a cat. And indeed, the

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<v Speaker 1>easiest thing is too, well, let's make this prey animal

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<v Speaker 1>less afraid of its number one predator. Yeah, and actually

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<v Speaker 1>let's take up residents and the rats and magdala where

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<v Speaker 1>we know that you know, motions like fear are hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out and let's do a little neural rewiring. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is like oceans eleven um parasites eleven. The they're

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<v Speaker 1>sneaking into the into the control mainframe to try and

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<v Speaker 1>mess with the security system. Okay, And so if you

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<v Speaker 1>think that, we're completely nuts, so we just made all

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<v Speaker 1>this up again that the article in the Atlantic is

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<v Speaker 1>great in talking about this more specifically. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of studies, one of which was conducted by

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<v Speaker 1>Joanne Webster. She's a parasitologist at Imperial College, London, and

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<v Speaker 1>she took it an enclosure with rats, and she treated

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<v Speaker 1>one corner of each enclosure with the animal's own order

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<v Speaker 1>odor excuse me, a second with water, a third with

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<v Speaker 1>cat urine, in the last corner with the urine of

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<v Speaker 1>a rabbit. Okay, so this is not a creature that

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<v Speaker 1>prays on rodents, right. She said, we thought the parasite

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<v Speaker 1>might reduce the rats aversion to cat odor. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>did do that, but it actually increased their attraction. They

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<v Speaker 1>spent more time in the cat treated areas, the cat

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<v Speaker 1>urine areas, okay, And naturally they would have gotten one

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<v Speaker 1>whiff of that and been out of there, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>she and other scientists have repeated this experiment with the

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<v Speaker 1>urin of dog and minks, which also prey on rodents,

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<v Speaker 1>and the effect was so specific to cat her and

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<v Speaker 1>she says that they call it the fatal feline attraction.

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<v Speaker 1>In a sense, the parasite makes the rats sexually attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to death by cat. Yes, they're creating suicide rats really,

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<v Speaker 1>and again this is all pointing back to this disconnection

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<v Speaker 1>of fear circuits, and neuroscientists Robert Sapulski and his colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>found that T GANDHI disconnects these fear circuits in the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that's this isn't somewhat of an explanation for

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<v Speaker 1>these rats losing their aversion to cat odor. Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 1>if I if I might return to the parasites eleven

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<v Speaker 1>analogy here, let's say we want to gain the process

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<v Speaker 1>even further. Al Right, Okay, so we've sort of shut

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<v Speaker 1>down security. But the rat is and or a bird.

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<v Speaker 1>These are creatures that have evolved over millions and millions

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<v Speaker 1>of years to effectively evade the predators that want to

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<v Speaker 1>eat them. All right, so we tweet things so that

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<v Speaker 1>they're attracted to the urine of their predator. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if we could do more. What have we made

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<v Speaker 1>them clumsy? What if we messed with their motor skills?

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<v Speaker 1>Their studies that suggested that this is exactly what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>A little parasitic reprogramming of the brain, and they're able

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<v Speaker 1>to impair the host motor controls. So the parasite cuts

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<v Speaker 1>the host chances of avoiding the cat's jaws and claws

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<v Speaker 1>and winding up in the belly, just gains it a

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<v Speaker 1>little more. And only that, let's add to the mix

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<v Speaker 1>that not only do you lose your fear response and

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<v Speaker 1>your motor control slows down, but let's let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>when you do get a whiff of that good time

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<v Speaker 1>cat you're in, that your dopamine center in your brain

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<v Speaker 1>starts to go nuts. It's like you've released something into

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<v Speaker 1>the air events to sort of pacify the security patrol

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<v Speaker 1>at this hypothetical casino. There you go and you're attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and what do you do? You walk right

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<v Speaker 1>up to a cat and say, I just I just

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<v Speaker 1>had a whiff of your cat. Peek, I like what

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<v Speaker 1>you've got going on there? Why don't we hang out?

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<v Speaker 1>And then the cat, of course, eats it because because

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<v Speaker 1>the cat. In a little bit we'll discuss some possible

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<v Speaker 1>sort of side effects for the cat of the taxo

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<v Speaker 1>infesting it, but for the most part of the cat

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<v Speaker 1>is unaffected. The cat knows what it's doing when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to killing things and then pooping things. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>not really any need to tinker with that model because

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<v Speaker 1>because if you have a cat, you know that it

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<v Speaker 1>eats and poops very well. So we're too about cats,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've got those two things down. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>four things they dig, but it's the prey animals, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>in the cycle that they tweak. Yeah, that's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so as soon as that rat, who has lost all

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<v Speaker 1>sense of fear, presents him or herself to the cat,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, the t gandhi inside are going. You know, Booya,

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly what we wanted you to do. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating about that is that that that parasite is in

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<v Speaker 1>the rat's brain really tinkering with it so specifically you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to cat urine and another animal urine that it's attracted to,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, losing the motor coordination. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>all of that is fascinating to me. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>turns our previous understandings of how the world works on

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<v Speaker 1>its head, like the idea that at this small level,

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<v Speaker 1>the creatures that we don't even think of as having

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence are manipulating the whole show. You know. They're like

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<v Speaker 1>they're like tiny gods, right, And now the situation is unfolding,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's there's just one researcher, this one scientist who

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<v Speaker 1>looks at this. It looks all these different cases of

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<v Speaker 1>parasites changing behavior in insects and animals and says, m hm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but I've been acting kind of strange lately.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if I could be infested with something that's

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<v Speaker 1>changing my behavior. And we're gonna take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>but when we get back, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not we are also controlled by unseen forces

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<v Speaker 1>aka parasites. We're back, and like we mentioned before that

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<v Speaker 1>the parasite he guaranty, wants to get inside a cat again,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wants to do that by getting inside a

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<v Speaker 1>rat or a bird. That's the cycle cat, the rat,

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<v Speaker 1>the cat. But this journey will often lead it into humans,

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<v Speaker 1>which generally is a dead end journey. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>still going to use all of its skills to try

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<v Speaker 1>and get that right and into the belly of a cat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still programmed to change the host and to manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>the host towards its ultimate goal again the digestive system

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<v Speaker 1>of a feline. So human infestation by T. Gandhi also

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<v Speaker 1>appears to result in some mind puppeting. It appears, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the jury is still somewhat out, and there's quite a

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<v Speaker 1>kerfuffle about it, but it seems to be some some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty serious evidence that there's tinkering going on in the

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<v Speaker 1>human mind. In fact, biologist Yaroslav Flagger in the n

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<v Speaker 1>as I said before he had begun to suspect that

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<v Speaker 1>a parasite was subtly manipulating his personality. For instance, he

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<v Speaker 1>would cross the road in the middle of trafficked weapon

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<v Speaker 1>without any fear, and in moments of panic he observed

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<v Speaker 1>others freaking out while he remained oddly calm. He realized

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<v Speaker 1>that he also didn't have much of an investment in

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<v Speaker 1>his appearance. He seemed sort of unkempt, introverted, and and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He remembered learning about reckless ants whose nervous systems had

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<v Speaker 1>been reprogrammed by flatworms, so he remembered this this instance

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<v Speaker 1>in which instead of heading underground, which ants should do

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<v Speaker 1>when the temperature drops, these ants would actually scale a

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<v Speaker 1>blade of grass and chomp down on the top and

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<v Speaker 1>just hang there in the wind until it was gulped

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<v Speaker 1>down by a predator. And this was of course the

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<v Speaker 1>tapeworm um the tapeworms doing so. He'd heard of a

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<v Speaker 1>similar con job in the parasite world, and suddenly he realized,

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<v Speaker 1>what if I'm being con What if the parasites are

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<v Speaker 1>working through me uh in their their master plan? Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on a whim. In at Charles University, where

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<v Speaker 1>his colleagues were searching for infected individuals to test out

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<v Speaker 1>some new kits to see how fancy they were, they

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<v Speaker 1>found that Flagger tested positive for the parasite. So his

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<v Speaker 1>hunch was right. What that led to is this guy

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<v Speaker 1>like doggedly trying to understand this parasite and how it

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<v Speaker 1>behaves in humans, and a bunch of other people of

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<v Speaker 1>late have you know, jumped on the ship to try

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what's going on as well. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was a man with no fear, he was, Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>was a man with no fear. And so again, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know looking at rats, and he he looked at

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<v Speaker 1>rats too, and was looking at the same thing. This,

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<v Speaker 1>this disconnecting of the fear center and wondering if his

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<v Speaker 1>own crazy behavior and walking out in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>traffic was related. And he found in one of his

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<v Speaker 1>studies that this had a direct correlation to people in

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<v Speaker 1>traffic accidents. Yes, according to a two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 1>study from Charles University in Prague, toxoplasmosis infection could make

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<v Speaker 1>one two point five times more likely to wind up

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<v Speaker 1>in an automobile accident, specifically if you happen to have

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<v Speaker 1>Reese's negative blood, which means you're missing a protein on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of your blood cells. And this comes around

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<v Speaker 1>to the tinkering we were talking about earlier, that motor

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<v Speaker 1>skills have been adjusted, the fear of death has been adjusted,

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<v Speaker 1>and combine those two out on the road and you

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<v Speaker 1>can make I feel like you can make a definite

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<v Speaker 1>case that you're more susceptible to an automobile wreck. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. And the two Turkish studies have replicated his studies. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>these are people who have been involved in traffic accidents

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<v Speaker 1>and the accident victims blood was taken and again, it

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<v Speaker 1>was found two and a half times more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be in traffic accident if you are infested with this parasite. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>amazingly enough, the prog studies suggests that between four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and a million of the world's annual road deaths

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<v Speaker 1>might be due to toxoplasma. Okay, so that's where, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>where people start to put up the red flag and said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, you can still drive a car. Let's try

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<v Speaker 1>to get more data on this and truly understand whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not it's a cat to that degree correlation, right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Flagger also sorted to say, well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if humans, like rats also have a delay in

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<v Speaker 1>response time, and he studied that. He found in one

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<v Speaker 1>of his studies that there was a slight delay in

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<v Speaker 1>response time for a group infected with two gandhi in

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<v Speaker 1>comparison to their study counterparts. Both groups were asked to

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<v Speaker 1>press a button when they saw a white square appear

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<v Speaker 1>against a dark background. So yeah, the actually delay time

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty subtle, but is very distinct that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a delay in people with T gandhi. Fliger also noted

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<v Speaker 1>that T gandhi men and women developed subtle personality changes.

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<v Speaker 1>The men were more prone to be introverted, suspicious, and

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<v Speaker 1>rule break, rule breakers as well as sort of unkempt,

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<v Speaker 1>while women were more outgoing, trusting, rule abiding, and paid

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<v Speaker 1>much more attention to their appearance. And he determined this

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<v Speaker 1>by first giving them personality tests. Then he began to

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<v Speaker 1>test the emerging data that came out of those personality tests. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, um he would test trust levels by saying, hey, here,

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<v Speaker 1>drink this unidentified liquid, and again, the Ti Gandhi men

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<v Speaker 1>were more likely to be very suspicious of this, where

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<v Speaker 1>the whereas the Ti Gan women were like, hey, okay, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have a sip of it. He also gauged the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time subjects spent with friends and how subjects

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<v Speaker 1>valued their appearance. Another potential byproduct of infestation by T

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<v Speaker 1>Gandhi is depression. There's some research into this from the

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley Research Medical Institute of Maryland, and they found that

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<v Speaker 1>people infected with toxoplasma are at greater risk of developing depression.

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<v Speaker 1>There was even one case, and this was a study

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<v Speaker 1>published in BMC Psychiatry that studied a depressed thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>year old male who only responded to added pressence after

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<v Speaker 1>being treated for toxoplasmosis. It's one of these cases where

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<v Speaker 1>we're not sure this is actually part of the grand

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<v Speaker 1>design of the parasite, because they've also there's some studies

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<v Speaker 1>that they think that there might be some mild depression

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<v Speaker 1>in cats when they have an acute infestation of T

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<v Speaker 1>gandhi in their systems. But it's another reason to be

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<v Speaker 1>I guess a little well. In the article also points

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<v Speaker 1>out the behavioral differences among genders, and they wonder like,

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<v Speaker 1>why could that be so very different? And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the because it seems to make women more fun, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean more spend more yeah, uh, and having a

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<v Speaker 1>good time. They're they're more promiscuous living up, whereas the

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>men become sullen, shut in men with bad attitudes and

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 1>worse hygiene. Yeah, pretty much just sort of like a

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit retreating to their caves, I guess you could say.

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean that the idea is that the

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 1>T GANDHI relating to depression does increase anxiety in people,

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.120
<v Speaker 1>and that these are just sort of the coping mechanisms

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:41.159
<v Speaker 1>that come up when you're experiencing anxiety. I don't know

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.200
<v Speaker 1>that I've ever been really anxious and decided that I

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 1>would just drop five bucks and then go out and

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 1>be super social. But I don't know, I mean, you know,

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.560
<v Speaker 1>this is again this is a bit of the mystery

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>behind T. Gandhi and how it's working in humans. And

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that was brought up in this

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 1>article that's that's also pretty intriguing m is schizophrenia and

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:04.400
<v Speaker 1>hat fancying and how they all relate to T. Gandhi

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>referencing the stereotype of the old cat lady, the crazy

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>old cat lady, right, well, well lots of cats and

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>is a little adult. It has been pointed out that

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>schizophrenia didn't really come onto the scene until the eighteenth century,

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>about the same time that people began keeping cats as pets,

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 1>and this became like a something that just spread throughout

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the world, became like really cool to keep cut to

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 1>domesticated in that way, and your keep it with you

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 1>in your house where you have obviously much more interaction

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>with it. A ka feces on your hands sort of,

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:38.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean not directly all the time, but there are

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:43.399
<v Speaker 1>more opportunities for infection. Right. So, there's a psychiatrist by

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the name of E. Fuller Tori and he, along with

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Robert Yulkin, a neuro virologist at Johns Hopkins University, surveyed

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a subset of seventy epidemiology studies from the nineteen fifties.

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 1>And these weren't just random papers. The study these they

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 1>were pretty rigorous in terms of their scientific standards. And

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>they found that schizophrenic patients with taxo are missing gray

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>matter in their brains. Okay, and that sounds like what, um,

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, It's just it's a little bit more complicated

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 1>than that, and subtle Torre and Yo can found that

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the mental illness is two to three times as common

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 1>in people who have the parasite as in controls from

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the same region. Okay, so this is giving us some

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 1>interesting evidence that t GANDHI could perhaps affect your brain

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.479
<v Speaker 1>and the reasons for depression or schizophrenia or anxiety. The

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>thing is is that a lot of schizophrenia patients show

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>shrinkage in parts of their cerebral cortex. Twelve of forty

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>four schizophrenia patients who underwent m r I scans the

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>team found had reduced gray matter in their brain. Okay,

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and the decrease occurred almost exclusively in those who tested

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 1>positive for T gandhi. So what Flagler and a lot

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.679
<v Speaker 1>of people are starting to interpret those results as is

0:26:55.720 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>that the parasite may trigger schizophrenia and genetically so uptible people.

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>So the genetic part comes into play because what they

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>think is that that this connection with schizophrenia running and

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>people's families is connected to genes that may have been

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>passed down with a deficient immune response to invaders like

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.119
<v Speaker 1>T gandhi. So it's not a situation where cats are

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 1>just pooping out schizophrenia. Jesy, right, right, right, then this

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:26.479
<v Speaker 1>is a subtle distinction. I'm glad you brought that up.

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>It's not just like, hey, humans infected. Now I'm going

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to have a kid, and I'm going to have a

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.719
<v Speaker 1>kid with T gandhi and schizophrenia. Now, it's more like,

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to use the parasites of leven analogy, the burglars are

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>crawling through the duck work into the main frame. They're

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 1>tweaking the security on the host, and then oh, you

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 1>happen to have a switch over here for schizophrenia, and

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>they hit it with their elbow. Yes, Because they know

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>that genes that are most commonly associated with schizophrenia relate

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 1>to the immune system. Okay, So all it means is

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that you could have had these genes passed down, which

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>would give you a weekend immune respon to the parasite

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 1>if you happen to be infected with it, which may

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>relate to triggering schizophrenia. This is one of those things

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>like you could not make this up if you tried, right,

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So this is what is rattling a lot of people's

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>cages because we don't really quite have a complete understanding

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of how this works. Yeah, that we're beginning to understand

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the scheme that is playing out at the parasitic levels,

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and it can be intimidating and a little scary. Like

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>when I first researched the topic a couple of years back,

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>it kind of messed with my relationship with my cat

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>for for like a couple of weeks, because I'm like,

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm suddenly looking at the cat like you. I thought

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you were my friend. I thought we were cool, but

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>you may have a parasite that might be changing me

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>into a frumpy, grumpy shut in. Uh, you know, destroying

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 1>my relationship with my spouse, trying to get me in

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a car wreck, and ultimately in a cat's belly while

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>while making my already suspect motor skills even sloppier. I

0:28:58.440 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>felt kind of weird about it, and I was kind

0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>of I don't really know if I want you sleeping

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 1>on the bed sleeping on the bed. But but we

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 1>repaired things after that, and right there still needs to

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>be a lot of research on these different aspects of

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>t GANDHI and how it works in humans right to

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to nobody needs to really go off the deepend and

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>get tested right now and be afraid of their cats,

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>because it's easy to to self diagnose with any anything really,

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>because it's something like this. You think, well, I don't know,

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I haven't gone out and been social lately. Maybe I

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>have a parasite. I'm not that good of a driver,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe I have a parasite. It's right, it's easy to

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>self diagnosed like that. But what I ended up telling

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>myself I ended up looking at that figure, like, you know,

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>thirty and six, between thirty and six in the global population.

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I started looking at the amount of time I had

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>already lived around my cat or other cats, and and

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I ultimately had to decide, well, yeah, if I got it,

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I got it. If I don't. I don't. It's well,

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if this is going to be comforting.

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>But this sort of infestation and behavioral changes, uh, it's

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>not really that uncommon. It's not just this parasite, right,

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>It's not a case where oh, I am completely in

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>charge of my own destiny and then it moves the

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>parasite and changes things around. I think we've we've done

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>enough podcasts on similar topics that I think long time

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>listeners already have a good idea that there are a

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of There are a lot of burglars in the

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>ductwork already, right right, there are other microscopic puppeteers, I

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>guess you could say, because nothing of the own complexity

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>of our own cognitive process, and how free will and

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>subsurface cognition are already altering, well not altering, but dictating

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the way we perceive the world and perceive ourselves. Right,

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>we already know that, you know, our bacterial cells out

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>number are our cells, you know, tend to one. So

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>we really are just the hosts hanging our own To

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that point too, let's look at the flu. Right, there

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>are studies that say that perhaps the flu changes our behavior.

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>There's one study at Colorado State University that showed that

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>when subjects were given a flu vaccination, essentially stoking the

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>subject's immune response, they doubled the amount of people they

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>came into contact with during the time that they were

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>maximally contagious. So these were introverted people in the first place,

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>who you know. They started to keep tabs on um

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the behavior of these people who have been infected. I'm

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>doing some air quotes uninfected um and and they did

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>find that they were seeking out more and more people

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 1>to commune with, which sort of leads us down this

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>path of is the flu encouraging us to be more

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>social so that it can spread itself. Yeah. And then

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>there is a woman named Janice Moore who is one

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>of the Flu studies researchers, and she also looked at

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>other human pathogens like AIDS, syphilis, and her peace. Uh.

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>And the reason she did that is because at the

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 1>end of stages of AIDS and the outbreak stages of

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>syphilis and herpes, people report in intense craving for sex. Again,

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the idea is that the pathogen is rewiring the host

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>to spread itself. It's not enough that the the life

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>cycle is in place, but let's tweak the host organism

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>in a manner to optimize it's spread to other host organisms. Again,

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I find a little bit of comfort and and just

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>knowing that it's not just T. Gandhi that is, because

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 1>that was a very comforting statement you made that all right, Well, no, no,

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's that's all. That's a bit depressing. But

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>what I guess my point is is in your point

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to is that there are a lot of other burglars

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>bungling the duct work, as you say, and in their

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>already yes, exactly. Yeah. And here's another thing too again,

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>don't look at your cats suspiciously quite yet, um, Indoor

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>cats pose no threat because they don't carry the parasite.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>They're not outside being infected by the parasite. In theory, yes,

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>in theory. I've also seen some studies that are really

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>making the case. Though. You would have to have had

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>this cat in an impregnable fortress its entire life for

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 1>it not to have the potential to be exposed. Okay, okay,

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.959
<v Speaker 1>so don't so don't suddenly free all my goodness, if

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>my cat darts out the door, he's you know, he

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>or she's going to be in toxo. No, no, no. Yeah.

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, as for outdoor cats, they shew the parasite

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>just for a couple of weeks of their life, typically

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>when they're young and they've just begun hunting, okay, and

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>so that's just a pretty brief period. And so one

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:26.479
<v Speaker 1>of the things you could do is just make sure

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that you keep everything super clean during that time period

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>if you do have a new cat, a new kitten

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that is out and about hunting around, and of course,

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, washing her hands, you know, handling catlet or

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>all of that stuff is just common sense. Don't let

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 1>them on the dinner table, scrub your vegetables, eat cooked meat,

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty well cooked. You know. I think it's the cat bowl.

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't have a picnic in the sandbox that all the

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood cats poo in, that kind of thing. Yeah, I

0:33:54.680 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>mean common sense stuff. Yeah, don't make cat pooh popsicles, um,

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of stuff like that. But here's the thing

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of interesting is that Martina Nava Latova,

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 1>oh tennis player, famous tennis player. She's playing against Pam

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>s Driver in the U S Open. She loses miserably

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and she turns around and says, you know what, this

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>is the reason why I lost taxoplasmosis because she had it.

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>She says that she ate cocktail nuts that were contaminated

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.760
<v Speaker 1>by a cat. Don't ask me how why that happened.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I remember reading that too. I'm like, how did by

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a cat? Did you see the cat like peeing in

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.879
<v Speaker 1>the nuts? And then you like absent mindedly ate something

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>like all crap, Maybe these are like coffee beans like

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and goats, the same sort of idea that you could

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>get these super gore may nuts that they passed through cats, right,

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.919
<v Speaker 1>num first, I mean it sounds like a situation where

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I screwed up or did something that

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think was in keeping with my normal behavior

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 1>or performance, I could probably make a case. Oh I

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>bet I have talks so and just based on the

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>numbers we looking at early, there's what you know, thirty

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>to six percent chance I'm right, and then I'll play

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and then I can have the medical reports say here,

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>there you go, Taxa. That's the reason I was dogging

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>it last week. I wonder if Martina Navratlova looks at

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>this and says, yeah, I've been saying this for years

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>now changed my behavior. I feel vindicated. It wasn't just

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 1>that I had sour grapes from losing. There's a real

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>problem here. And I totally remember that time period because

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I spent like ten thousand dollars going out all the time,

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>trusting everybody whooping it up. Yeah, well, she just needs

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 1>to be careful about about mixed nuts, is all, don't

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 1>we all? All right, Well, let's let's call the robe

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>it over here and collect a little listener mill. Here's

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.959
<v Speaker 1>one I received from Heidi. Heidi writes and it says,

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>hello there. I love the podcast. It is one of

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>my absolute favorites. I had to share a few incidents

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I've experienced that are related to your recent podcast on art.

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I am a classical musician, and I have had many

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>opportunities to be overwhelmed by music, art, poetry, etcetera. When

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I was about twenty two, I visited the Buffalo Museum

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.280
<v Speaker 1>of Art and went to see the Picassos on exhibit.

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>To my surprise, when I viewed the Cubist pieces, I

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>was almost ill. I had such a visceral reaction to

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the work that I couldn't explain, and I still vividly

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<v Speaker 1>remember it. Over twenty years later, I thought there was

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<v Speaker 1>something wrong with me, or that I was just lacking culture.

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<v Speaker 1>The second incident occurred when I visited the Sistine Chapel

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<v Speaker 1>in Rome about ten years later. We decided to take

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<v Speaker 1>the Long Museum tour. Big mistake. The artwork is mixed

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<v Speaker 1>together and cramped in in there like a Victorian living room.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time we hit the Raphaels near the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the tour, I had my hands cupped on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of my face to block out everything but the

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<v Speaker 1>path ahead of me. I ran out of out of

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<v Speaker 1>there because I couldn't stand another minute. Again, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I was insane. I'm so fascinated by this topic and

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<v Speaker 1>it actually makes me feel better knowing that other people

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<v Speaker 1>experienced similar strong reactions to art work. Anyway, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>i'd share. You and Julie are great height think so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's Stenhill syndrome is people feeling over welmed by

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<v Speaker 1>the artwork in front of them. And I couldn't help

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<v Speaker 1>but think about that secret room, the purported the secret Room,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Sustaine Chapel with all of the naughty artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's culture. I'm not up on this

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, so it's supposedly that's all like the

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<v Speaker 1>nefarious stuff. And you know, during the years, I think

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<v Speaker 1>they've rotated things in and out depending on what the

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<v Speaker 1>idea was of that particular sculpture, whether it was pagan

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<v Speaker 1>or whether or not it just had naughty parts and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of them. Um. But can you imagine if all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff was was rolled out, yeah, just and crammed

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<v Speaker 1>next to each other on the wall. Yeah. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to think that the priest go in therey

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<v Speaker 1>once while and just get a little Stenthall syndrome just

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<v Speaker 1>looking at all of that amazing nefarious artworks. Here's another

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<v Speaker 1>one that we received on the topic of Stindall syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's from Kyle. Kyle writes in I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>write in about your Stendall Syndrome podcast. I can't say

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<v Speaker 1>that I had an instance of losing it or going

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<v Speaker 1>weak in the knees while looking at a piece of art,

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<v Speaker 1>but I remember the first time I had that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of experience. It was my first time in Europe. I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing a study abroad program in Italy. Within a

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<v Speaker 1>day of our arrival, we went to the Vatican and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw La Patita de Michelangelo. Gotta do it right?

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<v Speaker 1>So does that Italian? Enough? If if I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>do the Italian, it would just sound Australian. Uh, and

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>then it would it might lapse into a bad Russian accent.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember vividly that I was just so taken with

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<v Speaker 1>the piece when I saw it. I couldn't believe how

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<v Speaker 1>realistic it was. Your podcast made me think about this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I had only been in Europe for less than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours and they had been walking through the Vatican.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that I was already under the influence of

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<v Speaker 1>culture shock and overwhelmed by the size and grandeur of St.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's Basilica. I didn't have any real formal knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>the piece, and I do come from the Christian upbringing,

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<v Speaker 1>and like everyone else on the planet, I had heard

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<v Speaker 1>about the talent of Michelangelo for years as being a

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<v Speaker 1>great artist, even if some of that knowledge was gained

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<v Speaker 1>by a spark of interest drawing from the teenage mutant

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Ninja Turtles. Anyway, I immediately bought the postcard of the

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<v Speaker 1>statue at the gift shop, and I continue to have

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.959
<v Speaker 1>great appreciation for this and all of Michaelangela's work. Thanks

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>for the great podcast. He's truly one of my favorites. Cool. Thanks, Kyle.

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<v Speaker 1>Having been to Rome a couple of times, I do

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<v Speaker 1>have to say like I am completely overwhelmed by that

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<v Speaker 1>city from Georgia. Yes, no, rom Italy and uh. I

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<v Speaker 1>often wonder like if you are a Roman born and

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 1>bred there, would you completely freak out if you went

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<v Speaker 1>to America and if you went to Rome, Georgia, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the flip side of the coin, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you saw the void or if you saw like the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of strip malls or something. I mean, these things

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<v Speaker 1>just obviously don't exist to to a Roman, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>a strip mall? What is that? Um? I mean because

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>you know that I've got bits of crazy like eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred BC architecture in my backyard. Do they have something

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>they're called like strip mall Syndrome? Uh? You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if they do. I remember when I was first

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<v Speaker 1>driving down to Atlanta on a SIMI regular basis, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving from rural Middletonnessee. Yeah, yeah, rural middle

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<v Speaker 1>Middletonnessee and uh and and I've been to some major

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>cities a lot, but that then you know, it's necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>looking out the window and really taking it in. But

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<v Speaker 1>I remember just really looking at the sprawl, and I

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<v Speaker 1>still get this, Like, I'll look at the sprawl around

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta and I'll think, who are all these people? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they? And what do they do? And how Even

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm downtown and the Midtown, I A, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at these buildings and I'm like, who lives here? Who

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<v Speaker 1>are these people? And I get a sense of that

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere I go. It's just kind of overwhelming at times

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<v Speaker 1>to just just sort of stand back and try and

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<v Speaker 1>understand these places that are folding out all around you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, Atlanta has a really a very

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<v Speaker 1>particular character too. It's a very wealthy city. So sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you are struck with this all.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we like, who are all these captains of the

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<v Speaker 1>industry and where are they getting all their money? What

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<v Speaker 1>is daily life like for these people. Here's another bit

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<v Speaker 1>on spontaneous human combustion. This is from a listener by

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<v Speaker 1>make l a traffic enjoyable. Uh, that's that's the statement,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the statement I had an experience with spontaneous combustion.

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<v Speaker 1>We had painted the kitchen and awoke the next morning

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<v Speaker 1>to find the floor and counters covered in a fine soit.

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<v Speaker 1>A pack of matches had ignited and burned the counter

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<v Speaker 1>as well. My father, an electrical engineer, fiorized that the

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<v Speaker 1>paint fumes in the still room were ignited from a

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<v Speaker 1>small spark generated by the refrigerator cycling on. Interestingly, the

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