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Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of is information.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree?

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Speaker 3: I've got five dollars?

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Speaker 1: This is a ratable lep hob they tackle.

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Speaker 3: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable,

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Speaker 3: Humans need fantasy to be human. My goodness, I don't

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Speaker 3: misspeak the best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, very bless.

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Speaker 3: Yo yo yo. Buddy's up, everybody. Welcome to the Fantasy

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Speaker 3: Flex podcast from the Action Network and Fantasy Lads. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host, Chris Raybon, and I am joined by a

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Speaker 3: fellow top five most accurate Season one ranker over the

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Speaker 3: last three years at Fantasy Pros, my guy, Sean Kerner,

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Speaker 3: the predictive director of Predictive Analytics at Action Network, Shawn.

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Speaker 3: How's it going?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: I'm still I mean, I'm still kind of tilting over

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame game, just not finishing. The only

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Speaker 2: bet that became official was my first QUARTERBT on the Bears,

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Speaker 2: But I ended up with like nine total bets on

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Speaker 2: that game, and I probably would have gone either eight

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Speaker 2: if that game just finished, because I kind of anticipated

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Speaker 2: tilting over that, but it was just fun to see,

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Speaker 2: you know, live action have some you know, sweats going on.

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Speaker 1: But how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, And you know, I actually some of

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Speaker 3: the books I did have the the Bears, I think

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Speaker 3: we talked about it, like how that that line flipped,

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Speaker 3: Williams in the starters got ruled out. So some of

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Speaker 3: the books I bet that I'd actually paid out, So

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Speaker 3: that was nice. I know all all of them did it,

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Speaker 3: so you know that that obviously sucks. I get it,

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Speaker 3: though you know, the game wasn't it wasn't an official score,

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Speaker 3: see why they you know, some books wouldn't. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was I'm just glad football's back. And in this episode,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be talking wide receivers, wide receiver twos, the

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Speaker 3: wide receivers in the thirteen to twenty four ADP range,

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Speaker 3: And you know it's gonna be a good conversation because

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Speaker 3: we're starting with Deebo Samuel and I think he's very

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Speaker 3: relevant to what's going on right now as we record

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Speaker 3: this which is Brandon at YUK has permission to negotiate

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Speaker 3: contracts with potential trade partners, which reported we are the

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Speaker 3: New England Patriots, which they would send Kendrick Bourne to

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Speaker 3: do a swap of Amari Cooper, which would be really

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Speaker 3: interesting because it's kind of a one for one kind

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Speaker 3: Deevo Samuel, when I kind of fiddle around with that,

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Speaker 3: move them to the Brown Devo jumps from my wide

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Speaker 3: I was a little lower on him than consensus, uh

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Speaker 3: pre prior to you know, this trade. But I would

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Speaker 3: be kind of right in line here. But you know,

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Speaker 3: how do you think a potential Brandon Ayyuk trade would

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Speaker 3: affect Deebo Samuel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was similar to you were you know,

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Speaker 2: my medium projections had him a little bit lower than

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Speaker 2: I would say, uh, and you can correct, like you're

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Speaker 2: But all all three players that Debo's competing for, we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know he was I don't know if

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Speaker 3: how are you how are you ranking their top three

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Speaker 3: But you know, Nico is going the highest of all

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Speaker 2: Stroud, But I feel like I was high on Nico

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Speaker 2: in Santa Monica a couple of years ago as gushing

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Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, you know a huge part of

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Speaker 2: He was eleventh and bestball points added per game. Now,

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Speaker 2: So it's not a knock against his talent. We definitely

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Speaker 2: but wide receiver fourteen's a bit rich. I haven't closer

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Speaker 2: to wide receiver eighteen. I think all these receivers in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, So I went

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Speaker 3: and I checked it out. His targets per route run

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Speaker 3: so in the other games. But my wide receiver fourteen

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that's enough for me to shy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's you know, age thirty one is not it's

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Speaker 3: who slice it. I think it would be a downgrade

435
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 3: for Brandon Ayuk. So yeah, I don't like it. I

436
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: don't like it at wide receiver sixteen. I think he's

437
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: he's more a kind of low and mid range to

438
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: low end wide receiver two. You know, if he makes

439
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: these moves, I think Cleveland, ultimately, Cleveland probably is still

440
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: the best because if he's going doing a one for

441
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: one swat for Cooper, you know, Cooper is still you know,

442
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: expected to do decently well in Cleveland, So I think

443
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 3: you can kind of replicate that to some extent. But

444
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions about you know, New England,

445
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: and I have a lot of questions about Pittsburgh as well.

446
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I don't Wilson. You know, he

447
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: they're just talking about starting him. I mean, now they

448
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: don't given Field the chance, but you know that's there's

449
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: no guarantees there. So yeah, it's it's rough. I think

450
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 3: I think I'm I'm selling Brandon and I you could

451
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: watch from sixteen.

452
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: Yes, if anything, you know, his rank might not change much,

453
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: you know, you know, free to five slots, but no

454
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 2: matter where he goes, it's going to have a big

455
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: rippell effect on you know, the quarterback, the wide receivers,

456
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: tight ends on that team, on the Niners, maybe even

457
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: the running backs.

458
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, when it comes to are you going.

459
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: To a team, it's going to have you know, eight

460
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: to ten Fantasy relevant players going up or down based

461
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: on what team.

462
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: He goes to.

463
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: So this will be a very significant early August trade,

464
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: although it might not be directly tied to rank. Again,

465
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 2: I think, I think that his range of outcomes are

466
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: pretty narrow because he's going to be the number one

467
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: option in any of these offenses. But just the impact

468
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: that's going to have on all these other players, we're

469
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: gonna have to be doing some quick updates to say

470
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: the least.

471
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, well, in my initial update when he

472
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: for New England, he dropped to I think wide receiver

473
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: twenty two, and then he dropped about five or six spots.

474
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 3: I think he's still in like the just inside the

475
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: top twenty if he were to go to Cleveland, and

476
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: I haven't tested it with Pittsburgh yet, but I would

477
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: imagine he'd beat outside the top twenty for Pittsburgh as well.

478
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, he was I was similar to you with

479
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: these other teams, but he was like wide receiver twenty

480
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: four for me on Pittsburgh.

481
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds about right. And that was also suck

482
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: for George Pickens because you know, I don't think you know,

483
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: I don't think the coverage being you know, going to

484
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: to i UK is actually that much of a help

485
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: for a guy like Pickens because the quarterback situation is

486
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: so shaky and that team wants to run and you know,

487
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: they played the defense and they play outdoors and then

488
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 3: play a lot of cold weather games. It's not uh

489
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: and by the way, all of these teams are cold weather,

490
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: outdoor teams that he's going to remember he's been playing

491
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: warm weather San Francisco not and not that he saw

492
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: he's actually one of the best. Wait, but that's just

493
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: just in terms of the scoring projections. You always rather

494
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: have warm weather. It's obviously indoor games or warm weather.

495
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: But what's when's the last time you've been to San

496
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: Francisco freezing though Mark Twain says the coldest winter I've

497
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: ever spent was the summer in San Francisco.

498
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: Cold there all the time.

499
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I hear you on that. I hear you

500
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: on that, because like that's why, that's why I'm l A.

501
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: I'm tam l A over Team San Francisco, because I

502
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: do think it's like, you know, coming from uh, coming

503
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: from the East coast like me, I do think it's

504
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: a little too similar. But you're still talking about, you know,

505
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: decent weather in the winter versus freezing, windy weather in

506
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: the winter. I still think I still think there and

507
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: you're you know, in the NFC West, you're going to

508
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: La in the winter A lot of time, you're going

509
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: to Averageona, you know what I mean. It's just yeah,

510
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: like it's not ideal to Yeah.

511
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: There's always like two to three games in Cleveland every year.

512
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: We have to like significantly lower or passing projections because

513
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: it's you know, thirty plus mile hour wins with snow

514
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: kind of thing.

515
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: So I take your point. I just had to bust

516
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: your balls.

517
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: On now, believe me. I'm I actually San Francisco I

518
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: think was the first was my first solo trip that

519
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: I ever did so, I just like went out there

520
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: and just walked around everywhere, walked over the bridge and

521
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 3: all that stuff. But yeah, I was. I was surprised

522
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: how how chilly it was the first time I went.

523
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, I digress. Not ideal if I gets traded,

524
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: hopefully he stays with Rock Kerry, who just you know,

525
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: averages nine yards at a tempo like it's nothing because

526
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: that's what he does. DJ Moore wide receiver seventeen. Uh,

527
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: I have DJ Moore in the mid twenties, so this

528
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: is this is high for me. What about you?

529
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is high for me.

530
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: And you know, he was solid for the Bears in

531
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: his debut last season, was always kind to me whenever

532
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: I took the over on his props. Feel like he

533
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: respected the coin. He finished tenth in basketball points at

534
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: it per game. I think he's going to have a

535
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: better quarterback situation this year with Kate Williams, even though

536
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: he's a rookie.

537
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

538
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: However, just the target competition this year is gonna be insane,

539
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: adding you know, Hall of Famer Keenan Allen to the mix,

540
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 2: and then first round pick Roma Donze, who I think

541
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: is going to be a stud as soon as this year,

542
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: it's just going to be tougher for more to beat

543
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: his ADP at wide receiver seventeen. Certainly he has he

544
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: has the talent to do it, and if you know,

545
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: Kean Ellen or Doomsay were to miss extented time due

546
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: to injury or something, he would be worth it at

547
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: this price. But as of now, you know, with everyone healthy,

548
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm with you, I have or ranked you know, a

549
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: handful of sts or he's my wide receiver twenty two,

550
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: and I think that's probably even a bit high. I'm

551
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: always hesitant to take him there. So yeah, I think

552
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: White Receiver wide receiver seventeen is just banking on last

553
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: year's production a bit too much and just not factoring

554
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: in the target competition with Allen and Doomsay this year.

555
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's my wide receiver twenty four and you know

556
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: he's he's a wide receiver two. Definitely, I have no

557
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: issue with that. But just because like you said, that

558
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: target competition and just you know, Kevin Williams is a

559
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. I think he's gonna be I think he's

560
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: gonna be good too, but that's not a guarantee, that's

561
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: not a given you know, so the fact that he did,

562
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, produce very well with Justin Fields is a positive.

563
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: But you know, he was the he was essentially the

564
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: loan like alpha in that offense, and now you potentially

565
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: have three alphas. So just a new situation, uh and

566
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: a lot of un certainty. Probably a better basketball pick

567
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: because you can stack him with Caleb Williams. You know,

568
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: Cable Williams still goes outside the top ten quarterbacks, sometimes

569
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: outside the top twelve, and you can kind of try to,

570
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: you know, build that stack up. But in a redraft league,

571
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: I do think you're gonna have some quieter weeks than

572
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: you would want for a guy that you would be

573
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: taken inside the top twenty. Jam and Waddle, this guy

574
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: is one of the most I think talented wide receivers

575
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: in the league. I mean, you know, you know, Tyreek

576
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: Hill just kind of overshadows him in in Miami, but

577
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: it's that offense is really built around Tyreek number one,

578
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: and then Wattle kind of gets to benefit because he's

579
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: like a poor man's Tyreek in a lot of ways

580
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: in that offense. And you know, defense is always going

581
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: to pay atention to Tyreek first. I think the only

582
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: thing that really hurt Wado last year was he he

583
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: ended up leaving quite a few games. His average A

584
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: route participation rate was only seventy five percent, the median

585
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 3: was eighty three percent, but he had a couple of

586
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: games in there where he just did not make it

587
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: through the entire game. You know, it was kind of

588
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: shuffling in and out. But that's that's kind of random.

589
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: That's kind of hard to say that that would repeat.

590
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: So any problems with Wattle at wide receiver eighteen, which

591
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: by the way, is exactly where I have him ranked.

592
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: Same, Yeah, I have him wide receiver eighteen. He is

593
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: coming off a down year for him where he finished

594
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: thirty second and basketball points out of per game, only

595
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: scored four touchdowns. But to your point, he did you know,

596
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: he was banged up like all season and he left

597
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: a couple of games. You know, this is a very

598
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: top heavy passing attack with Tyreek leading the way and

599
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: then Waddle behind him. But you know, they did upgrade

600
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: the wide receiver three slot with Odell Beckham, so as

601
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: long as he's healthy, this is the first time they

602
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: really have a true number three wide receiver and John

603
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: new Smith at tight end.

604
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: So we could see the passing.

605
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: Attack just a bit more spread out than we're used

606
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: to seeing when everyone's healthy. But I think this is

607
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: a fair spot to take take Waddle. Just figure on

608
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: him having a bounce back year in terms of health

609
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: and you know, touchdowns. He's probably gonna score more than

610
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: four this year, So I think this is fair for me.

611
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind taking him here.

612
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, I guess Odell Beckham is better

613
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: than Braxton Barrios and Cedric Wilson, but you guess, yeah,

614
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: I mean he's looking this just me, But last year

615
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: on Baltimore, he was looking pretty jaggy to me, Like,

616
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: you know, I think I think the injuries may have

617
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: taken their toll, uh, you know, especially that that last one,

618
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: you know, in the Super Bowl, because last year it

619
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: just seemed like they were trying to conserve him and

620
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: he just never really you never really saw it like

621
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: it work out, you know. So I think I think

622
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: we're past at that point of Odell being a difference maker.

623
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's probably a little bit of an upgrade

624
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: on on what they've had, and that's always good news.

625
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: But if Jamon Wattle puts up a thousand yards in

626
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: each of the next seven seasons. So catch Mike Evans.

627
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: He's put up a thousand in each of his one

628
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: thousand plus each of his.

629
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: First three, and he has the extra game to do it.

630
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

631
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: So there's an.

632
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: Asterisks there, to be honest, because you know a lot

633
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: of those were with sixteen games. I think we got

634
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: to like, there has to be something right now that

635
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: there's an extra game when it comes to these records.

636
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I would say I'll actually go contrarian and

637
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: say no. And the reason I'll say no is because,

638
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: if you put it in perspective, we are but ants,

639
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: tiny little specks in the in the universe. Right. So

640
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: it's been there was fourteen games into what seventy six,

641
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: seventy eight one of those years somewhere in the late seventies,

642
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: and then it shifted to sixteen and that. So that

643
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: was going on for what another about forty years. But

644
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna be sitting here probably in another

645
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: five hundred years, and like you do, we really want

646
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: an asterisk every time, you know what I mean. So

647
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, let records, records are made to be broken,

648
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: let them, let.

649
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Them have it.

650
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, just I'll give him that,

651
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Speaker 3: like because like we're that's just from our perspective, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's ask, but in reality we might get an eighteen

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656
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657
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Speaker 3: like you said, they're third wide receivers Odell Beckham who

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Speaker 3: Receiver nineteen. Cooper Cup There is another one. I have

695
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Speaker 3: him wide Receiver nineteen. I've seen him lower on certain boards,

696
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: so I'm I'm happy that he's kind of, you know,

697
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: consensus is finally realizing that I think he still got it.

698
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: You know, I know, he missed what the first month

699
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: of the season last year, and he's getting a little older.

700
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: But the thing I really like about Cooper Cupp and

701
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: you probably know where I'm going with this, but once

702
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: he came back, almost every game that he played he

703
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: was on the field, he ran a route on one

704
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: hundred percent of Stafford dropbacks. He did that in eight

705
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: eight games last year. Did he run a route on

706
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 3: every drop in? That's I mean, that's rare. You hardly

707
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: see receivers doing that in this day and age. But

708
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 3: you know, Sean McVay loves to keep his guys on

709
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: the field, especially his studs, and so when you have

710
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: a guy running a route on every single drop back,

711
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 3: and you have a pretty efficient passer, and you play

712
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: indoors and you have another receiver to also draw some coverage,

713
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: I think good things are going to happen. So I

714
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: like Cooper Cup as a top twenty wide receiver. Yet again,

715
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: what say you?

716
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right in line with you.

717
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: And he's coming off a down year where he missed,

718
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, the first four games of the season with

719
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: the hamstring injury. He was no longer the top target

720
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 2: in this offense. You know, Pooka Nakua had his record

721
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: breaking rookie season. He really is, you know, the number

722
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: one target in this offense. And having said all that,

723
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: Cup still managed to finish twenty first and best ball

724
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: points ad per game. And you know, Pooka Nakua is

725
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: week to week right now. If a knee injury meaning

726
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: his week one status is in doubt, who knows it

727
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: could linger in the season. So this certainly feels culture

728
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: to his floor.

729
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: But he has more.

730
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Speaker 2: Pass to having you know, a ceiling type of year

731
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: right now. So love taking him here. And you know,

732
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: it's also worth mentioning that Tyler Higbee is also expected

733
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: to miss you know, the first handful of games or so.

734
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: So I don't think any of the tight ends will

735
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: step up into that full roll, so that could mean

736
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: a few extra targets for Cup as well. So this

737
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: definitely feels closer to his floor, which is why I

738
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: love taking him here.

739
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I think you know they're and you know

740
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: we say, yeah, Pooka Nakup is that number one target,

741
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: but he could easily flip back around a Cup this year.

742
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: I you know, they're both so talented that I think

743
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: it's a situation. I don't think it's a situation where

744
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: Nikoo is more talented than companies, like creating all this

745
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: extra separation. I think it's just kind of how how

746
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: it kind of worked out last year was that Nicoua

747
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: ended up being more productive. But if you play that

748
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: season ten thousand times or played this season ten thousand times,

749
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: I think I think you'd be a little closer than

750
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: people think, especially with as many routes as Cup is

751
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: running out for the Coop is usually running around about

752
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the time, whereas Cup is is His

753
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: median route participation rate was one hundred percent last year,

754
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: which is which is so wild.

755
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: Oh and I would say like he's kind of going

756
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: in a dead zone in the draft, like at this

757
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 2: point in the draft, you have running backs like Rashaun White,

758
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs. We might consider them the frozen pond to begin.

759
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: Now, give me a couple of icy I don't want

760
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 3: those guys, and then usually Laporta and kelseer off the board.

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00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: By Ben, you're kind of in that tier two of

762
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Speaker 2: tight ends. Sometimes the top four quarterbacks are taken by

763
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Speaker 2: Now you might have to decide between like Cuff and

764
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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. But it's kind of a point in the

765
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Speaker 2: draft where I'm all about wide receivers. So he's just

766
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Speaker 2: going in a really good part of the draft, and

767
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Speaker 2: I think this is culture the floor. So he has

768
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: a lot of things going from right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, we just recorded our uh you know,

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Speaker 3: Experts Guide to Fantasy podcasts over on the Action Network

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Speaker 3: podcast channel, so be sure to check that out. And

772
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: we talked about, you know, taking guys at the top

773
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Speaker 3: of a tier, and how we don't like to take

774
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Speaker 3: guys at the top of a tier. We like to wait.

775
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: I will say that this glut of wide receiver twos,

776
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm just taking as many as I can in this tier.

777
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: So I don't care if I'm taking guys at the middle,

778
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: like I just want all of these wide receiver twos

779
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: pretty much. You know, there's a cup I think what

780
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: DJ Moore is really the only guy that I think

781
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: we had, you know, significantly lower, but even him, Like

782
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not upset if I you know, landed

783
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: DJ Moore, I just don't necessarily want him wide receiver seventeen.

784
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: I think he could. I think I'd rather wait, you know,

785
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: to I get outside the top twenty at least into

786
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: the mid twenties. But either way, yeah, Cooper cup Rocks,

787
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: I would pick at wide receiver nineteen, wide receiver twenty.

788
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: I mean, this is I don't know how this is interesting.

789
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: How you get to this part in the draft and

790
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: it's like my ranks matchup exactly, would with all these

791
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: ADP's because I got Michael Pittman Wide receiver twenty. ADP

792
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: as Michael Pittman Wide receiver twenty. Nothing to really, I mean,

793
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: no host of really poking Pittman's game, because last year

794
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: he was extremely productive with what Garter you know, his

795
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: top his franchise quarterback getting hurt twice, Gardner Minshew coming

796
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: in and not really playing that all that well. To

797
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: be completely honest. I mean, he kind of held things together.

798
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: But you know, what was it six point seven yards

799
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: in attempt? You know, well it wasn't great seven and

800
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: six record, but Michael Pittman did his thing once again.

801
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: The only real change in the offense this year, you know,

802
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: besides Richardson, is you're adding potentially another, you know, a

803
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: better receiver than Alex Pierce. Alex Pierce in a Donne Mitchell,

804
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: who you know, could command a higher target share than

805
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: Pierce did. So I guess that's probably the only knock

806
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: on Pittman. But Pittman has just been so rocks out

807
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty six targets, one hundred and nine touches,

808
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: eleven to fifty two for the yardage last year, only

809
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 3: four touchdowns. So he's got room to grow in that area.

810
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: But any concerns with Michael Pittman, maybe maybe for Mitchell,

811
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: maybe for because of Richardson, any concerns Are you fine

812
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: with Pittman here at number twenty? Yeah?

813
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: I think there are fair concerns here. I actually have

814
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: wide receiver twenty five again one point off from wide

815
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: receiver twenty.

816
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: We're really split in hairs here.

817
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: But I said before last season started that if Anthony

818
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: Richardson were to ever miss time, Pittman would likely get

819
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: a boost in my weekly rinks. And because you know,

820
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: Richardson's a rushing quarterback, he's a raw passer still is.

821
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: Because Richardson didn't get that many snaps last year, so

822
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: he still might have you know, a handful of games.

823
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: He needs to get that experience, and he's kind of

824
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: an inaccurate passer.

825
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: Willing to run the ball, you know, in the red zone.

826
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: I think his rushing touchdowns will kind of eat into

827
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: Pittman's touch on upside. But like you said, Minshew, you

828
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: know didn't play great last year, but I think the

829
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: just the added volume helped Pittman a bit. So, you know,

830
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: and Pittman's like kind of a possession receiver where he

831
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: does need like a lot of volume to maintain his

832
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: fancy value. So you know, with Richard center center, I

833
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: think it's gonna hurt that a bit. And you know,

834
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: Josh Downs is only going to get better in near two.

835
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: I agree.

836
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if Adie Mitchell is going to overtake

837
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce as a rookie, but at least there's a

838
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: competition there, so I think, you know, Pittman will have

839
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: some added competition for targets. I don't, you know, love

840
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: the fit with Richardson, but he is the rare wide

841
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: receiver in this range where if the starting quarterback does

842
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: get hurt, I think his value goes up with Joe

843
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Flacco under center. So he's essentially QB proof, which means

844
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: he has a very high floor in this range. So

845
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: I'd say that is actually a positive thing. I mean,

846
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: imagine Joe Flacco running this offense. I think, you know,

847
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 2: Pittman would be potentially a high end wide receiver too,

848
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: So I think he's a unique wide receiver where no

849
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: matter who's under center, he's probably gonna view wide receiver

850
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: two numbers. So that's you know, I don't mind if

851
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: you do take him here, but my medium projections for

852
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: him are just a bit lower. Assuming Richardson does stay

853
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: healthy this year.

854
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could get to I could get to wide

855
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: receiver twenty two with him. Then I have a like

856
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: I have within six tenths of a point him over

857
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: the next two guys, so I could go as twenty two.

858
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: But then I have a little bit of a break,

859
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: so I couldn't get all the way down to twenty

860
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 3: five with Pittman. But uh, I just really like this guy.

861
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: I've always have. I think he's just a good football player.

862
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: Comes from a football family. His father, Michael Pittman played,

863
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: I believe it was a running back for the Bucks,

864
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: and I just remember watching I think it was the

865
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: COVID year, if I'm not mistaken, the year, the year

866
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: of the pandemic when he was coming out of school,

867
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: and I just remember geeking out watching his special teams

868
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: tape and like, I just for a wide receiver, that's

869
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: like not going to play special teams at all once

870
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 3: he gets into the league, And that was just such

871
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: a rare thing to and I was like, Yo, this

872
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: dude was just a good football player and he really

873
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: has a let me down here. I think he still

874
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: has a room to grow because he's he hasn't really

875
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: done it touchdown wise his career high six school. Yes,

876
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: he's got the body type to do it. So yeah,

877
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: I'm fine with Michael Pittman. I have on wide receiver

878
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: twenty uh. And you know, I think the interesting thing

879
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 3: you met you mentioned was the quarterback proofness, And this

880
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: is why I'm not really that worried about Richardson or

881
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: anything because last year Pittman wide receiver fourteen the year

882
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: before didn't even hit a thousand yards ended up wide

883
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: receiver twenty two. Uh. And that was with the ghost

884
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: of Matt Ryan, the corpse of Matt Ryan.

885
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

886
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: Three starts by Sam Ellinger and two starts by h

887
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: Nick Foles which did not did not go did not

888
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: go well either. He averaged five point three yards and

889
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: an attempt and had a ten percent interception. So yeah,

890
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna ride it

891
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: out with Pittman. But I do agree. I think I

892
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: I do have downs improving this year, and I do

893
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: have Mitchell commanding, you know, eating into Pierce's work quote

894
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: a little bit and commanding a higher target here. So

895
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 3: I have Pittman at eighty nine catches for nine eighty

896
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: two with five point nine touchdowns, a little bit of

897
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: touchdown regression, but regression to the mean, regression downward in

898
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: terms of the catches and the targets, catches in the yards.

899
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: But I still have them, as is my number twenty.

900
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: I have a fun thought experiment for you, maybe when

901
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: you're listening to anybody listening to this. It's irrelevant by now,

902
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: but you're sitting there at You're sitting there, it's the

903
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: twentieth wide receiver going to get taken off the board.

904
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: You're sitting there. Brandon Ayuk mid draft, brandonw You has

905
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 2: been traded to the Browns for Mary Cooper.

906
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: All three, Michael.

907
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: Pittman, brand Ayuk now on the Browns and Mark Cooper

908
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: now on the Niners, are sitting there at wide receiver

909
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: twenty Which of those three are you taking here?

910
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 3: Pittman, I still have him ranked thought, Okay, I already

911
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: I already did that math. So listen, Pittman. Why age

912
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: twenty seven is usually the peak age for wide receivers.

913
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: So you know, if you ever if that touchdown rate

914
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: is ever gonna arrest, this might be the year he

915
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: I you know, he could still be getting better. So yeah,

916
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: I just think this dude's a good football player. I

917
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: don't ever think he's gonna be like a massive bust

918
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: unless he just misses like half the year through the

919
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: injury or something like that. So and he's been relatively

920
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 3: durable in his career as well. So yeah, I just

921
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: love I love you some. Michael Pittman. No, one's gonna

922
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: convince me that Michael Pittman is a nasty so, uh yeah,

923
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: I'm taking him all day. And now we get to

924
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 3: talk about uh Stefan Diggs, And this one is I

925
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 3: think it could be polarizing. No wide receiver twenty one.

926
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: I actually have him here. But again, tenths, like a

927
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: six tenths of a point. You know, he could go

928
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: to twenty, he could go to twenty two. So you

929
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 3: know it's I think this is the right range for him.

930
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 3: But it was there was some interesting things going on

931
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: in Buffalo. You know, weeks one through nine, ten point

932
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: six targets, seven point eight catches per game, ninety three

933
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: yards per game, and then in the second half of

934
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: the year, he goes from ten point six targets to

935
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 3: eight targets a game, he goes from seven point eight

936
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: catches per game to just four point six, and he

937
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: goes from ninety three yards a game to just forty four.

938
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: And that's not even counting the playoffs. When he had

939
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: that drop that that we remember against Kansas City. His

940
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: yards per route in the first half of the season

941
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: was two point four to five. His yards per route

942
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: in the second half of the season was one point

943
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: three eight, and Buffalo said, hey, you know, even though

944
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: we're in our squarely in our super Bowl window, we're

945
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: gonna trade this guy to another AFC contender with a

946
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: quarterback on a rookie d So it's a little bit

947
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: of a head scratcher that that that you know, there

948
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: could be something underlying that maybe we're not aware of.

949
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: So I guess that's my like, what are what are

950
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 3: your kind of like intangible thoughts like my projection wise?

951
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: You know that I have him around here. I'm guessing

952
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: you do too, but like, what do you think is

953
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: going on which deefon Diggs?

954
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: Oh, I have no idea, but I do have him

955
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: a little bit higher, just back bringing the brand. Now

956
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: you shake up will impact someone like Diggs. He's going

957
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: to move up everyone's ranks. I think if I slips

958
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: a bit. So you know, last year he finished seventeenth

959
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: in best ball points out of per game, but as

960
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: you mentioned, he really fell off in the second half.

961
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 2: From week ten on he was sixty fifth and basketball

962
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: points out a per game And now it could have

963
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: been injury related or you know, possibly due to frustration,

964
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: and that's why his time in Buffalo came in, you know,

965
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: that's that's when they became a very run heavy team.

966
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: So maybe behind the scenes he was pissed off about that.

967
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: That kind of happened in Minnesota, right, didn't he get

968
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: pissed that.

969
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: They Oh yeah, yeah, they were. They were going to

970
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: super run heavy with a Zimmer was the head coach.

971
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so that could have been it, and they

972
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: said that's it, we want him out of here. So

973
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: who knows.

974
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: But you know, in Houston he has much tougher target

975
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: competition with Nico Collins, Tank Dell and even Dalton Schultz.

976
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: So I think just in this offense though, assuming he's

977
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: healthy and it wasn't like an injury related thing, there

978
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: should be enough volume and efficiency with Stroud and or

979
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: center to make everybody happy, including Diggs, and I think

980
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: they like it or not, they're probably gonna have to

981
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 2: make sure that he's getting targets and happy to prevent

982
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: some sign you know, sort of locker room situation behind

983
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: the scenes. But there's plenty of incentive for him to

984
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 2: have a good year because this is a one year deal,

985
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: could be a free agent next year, so I think

986
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: we're going to see uh, Pete Digs this year, so

987
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: I think he has solid value. Anytimes he falls outside

988
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: of the top twenty, I think he's offering some solid value.

989
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: But that's I have him ranked wide receiver sixteen. So again,

990
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: like I remember kind of reading into that last year

991
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 2: where like McDermott was asked about Diggs and he didn't

992
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: have comments. They were being kind of weird about it,

993
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: being kind of coy, and I think that maybe my

994
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: guests would be just he was pissed off that they

995
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: were turning into run heavy team, which is something that

996
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: we pointed.

997
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: Out countless times now. So this has happened before.

998
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: And then when he you know, he left Minnesota, he

999
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: was you know, an elite wide receiver once he joined

1000
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: the Bill, so I could see that happening here. But

1001
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: I just think that, you know, his fantasy impact here

1002
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 2: will put him you know, squarely in the wide receiver

1003
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 2: two discussion. So again, this is you're getting him closer

1004
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: to the bottom of this yer, which is why I

1005
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: do like him as value. But you know, I still

1006
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: think he has wide receiver one upside in this offense.

1007
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely does it. It's just I do think, yeah,

1008
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: there's definitely there was definitely something going on. But you

1009
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: know C Stroud is so, I mean, Stroud is a passer.

1010
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say he already that he's

1011
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: a better passer than Josh Allen. You know, obviously Allen

1012
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: gives it a lot with the with the legs and

1013
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: and the creativity, but just as a pure passer, I

1014
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: mean what we saw from Stroud last season, just the efficiency,

1015
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: the anticipation, the arm strength that the ball placement, I

1016
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: think Dick should be fine. So yeah, I have him

1017
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: right here. But you know, I could easily flip flop

1018
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 3: him with his teammate Tank Dell. But Tank Dell goes

1019
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: a little waiter. So I guess if I had to choose,

1020
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: I would I would I would take Dell because he's

1021
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: a value for me. But we'll get to that in

1022
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: the next pot, because there's a couple other guys in

1023
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: this wide receiver two tier. Davonte Smith, wide receiver twenty two.

1024
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: Word out of Eagles camp is he's been having just

1025
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 3: a great camp in Kellen Moore's offense. You know, you

1026
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: and I have talked about the fact that Moore has

1027
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: been top five and pace every year that he's been

1028
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: a coordinator. So I think that should help. You know,

1029
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: Eagles offense that you know can be a bit run

1030
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 3: heavy at times, especially in the red zone. So this guy,

1031
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: DeVante Smith is only getting better and better. And this

1032
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: is another one of those situations where you know the

1033
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 3: talent gap between him and AJ Brown is it's not

1034
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: really I know a J. Brown goes what wide receiver

1035
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 3: six or seven and Smith is in the twenties, But

1036
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 3: the talent gap is probably not as big as people

1037
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: think if if it's there at Also, you know, there's

1038
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: a range of outcomes where I think Smith could outscore Brown.

1039
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: Now I still have Smith, I think a couple of

1040
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: spots lower than this. I think I have a like

1041
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty six or so. Again, it's this is

1042
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 3: I'm fine taking guys in this tier. I think this

1043
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: this is you want to load up on, you know,

1044
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: top thirty wide receivers in this draft because there's only

1045
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: so many run there's only like four running backs. I

1046
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: think you could feel really cough about, you know, in

1047
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: this draft, and so you want to kind of load

1048
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: up on wide receivers. So I'm not I'm not really

1049
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: nickpicking on Devonte Smith, but what's your out with for

1050
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: Davonte this year.

1051
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love him here. He's my wide receiver nineteen.

1052
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: Again, he's kind of going in a great spot in

1053
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 2: the draft to grab wide receivers. Whether he's your second

1054
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: or third doesn't matter. He was twenty second in basketball

1055
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: points outed per game last season and he's entering year

1056
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: four at twenty five years of age, entering his prime,

1057
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: so we probably haven't seen his best season yet. As

1058
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: you mentioned, you know, this offense should bounce back with

1059
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: Kellam Moore as the coordinator. I think also having Saquon

1060
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: Barkley in the backfield could open things up, you know

1061
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 2: for the passing game that defenses have to worry about

1062
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: him in the backfield. And it's worth pointing out that

1063
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: aj Brown has yet to miss a game for the

1064
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: Eagles in his two seasons with them, so Smith would

1065
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: probably be you know, wide receiver one option anytime Brown

1066
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: word of miss time. And we just haven't seen that

1067
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: upside because Brown has stayed healthy. So this rank does

1068
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: seem closer to his floor, similar to what I thought

1069
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: about Cooper Cup earlier, So you know, he does have

1070
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: some unrealized injury upside here. And again this is just

1071
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: a great spot to be drafting receivers, and he tends

1072
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: to go, you know, a couple of lots lower than

1073
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: I think. So love Vante Smith if you can get

1074
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 2: him right here around wide receiver twenty two.

1075
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: And Smith himself, despite you know, being known as like

1076
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: they call him the swim reaper at one point, I

1077
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 3: know that that's Katie. But yeah, you know, he's only

1078
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 3: this one game in his career too, with it at

1079
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: a buck seventy sixty a bucks seventy, so he's been durable.

1080
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I have I have no host to poke

1081
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: to poke in his game. He's one of a bunch

1082
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 3: of wide receivers in this range that I'm more than

1083
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: happy to take. He finished is the wide receiver nineteen

1084
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: last year, finished inside the top ten in twenty twenty two,

1085
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf Wide receiver twenty three. I actually have him

1086
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: a little bit higher than this, you know, I think

1087
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: I think he just had a kind of odd year

1088
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: last year. I think he's better than the numbers he

1089
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: put up last year. I think he still got a

1090
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: ton of upside. But I at the same time, I

1091
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: understand why some people might be a little bit, you know,

1092
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: concern just because you know, JSN could get better this year,

1093
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: although I think Lockett will kind of decline a little bit,

1094
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: so it all kind of evens out. But where are

1095
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: you on on Metcalf because he had a one and

1096
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: fourteen yards last year in eight touchdowns. But I don't know,

1097
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: it just kind of didn't really didn't. It seemed like

1098
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: it was like up and down for him last year.

1099
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: It wasn't a great season, even that the numbers were fine.

1100
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always the case with him, right where like

1101
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: we know he could do a lot more. So even

1102
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: though he put up solid numbers, he was nineteenth in

1103
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: beast Ball points out of per game. Yeah, he did

1104
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: finish this season really strong. He was ninth in basket

1105
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: ball points at per game over the final eight games.

1106
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: But he's still only twenty six and just with his

1107
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: his you know, physical being and just his upside, like

1108
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: we probably still haven't seen his best season yet. So

1109
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: that's why we were kind of always slightly disappointed with

1110
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: them because we know he's even.

1111
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: Better and I love him.

1112
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: Here he's in this Diggs Devanta Smith Cooper Cup. You

1113
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: could even throw a Michael Pittman tier for me, where

1114
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: this is just a great time to take a receiver

1115
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: where if you get an elite running back early on,

1116
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: or take one of the top two tight ends, you

1117
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: can still get a legit you know, high end wide

1118
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: receiver two in these guys and like the fourth sometimes

1119
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: fifth round. So this is just a great you know,

1120
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: tier of receivers of target. But I think when it

1121
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: comes to Metcalf, I the only slight concern would be

1122
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: I think Jackson Smith Nijigba is going to have a

1123
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: year two breakout. You know, he's certainly going to command

1124
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: more targets this year, but I think they're more likely

1125
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: to come at the expensive tier Lockett than Metcalf specifically,

1126
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: So that doesn't worry me too much. But I just

1127
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: think that based on his ADP wide receiver twenty three again,

1128
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: that's that feels closer to his floor and he does

1129
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: have wide receiver one upside. So I just love taking

1130
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: these receivers that fall in this range, just based on

1131
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 2: where the rank and just kind of how the flow

1132
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: of the draft goes when people are kind of attacking

1133
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: these running backs that I think have more red flags

1134
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: than people realize. I think this is just a great

1135
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: range to take all these wide receivers that kind of

1136
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: fall to this like lower end wide receiver two tier.

1137
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe the you know, the one other thing

1138
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: we should mention about the Seahawks. You know, Ryan Grubb

1139
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: is a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron goes to Chicago,

1140
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: so there is some some newness. But you know that

1141
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: might help, you know, I think I think you know,

1142
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 3: it got a little bit stale in in in in

1143
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: Seattle last year. But this guy met caf. I mean

1144
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: you mentioned the physical trades. He can just he's so

1145
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: big strong. I think he's always a threat to lead

1146
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: the league in touchdown catches. H and he and because

1147
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: he could just run away from people like yeah, he

1148
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: always is a threat I think to lead the league

1149
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: in in receiving yardage too, you know. And he always

1150
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: had one hundred and nineteen so in only sixty six catches,

1151
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: So him and Gino Smith kind of struggled to get

1152
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: on the same page. But you know, the year before

1153
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: sixty four percent catch rade. So this guy and in

1154
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: last year sixteen point nine yards of catch. So I mean,

1155
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: if you could get that catch right up, he had

1156
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: ninety catches in twenty twenty two. You put ninety catches

1157
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: at seventeen yards of catch, and I mean, you're squarely

1158
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: in business, and I think that's that's over. That's fifteen

1159
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: hundred yards right there. So uh, that's that's kind of

1160
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 3: his ceiling, and it might not even be his ceiling.

1161
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have no issues with taken dkuh. And

1162
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: then I have no issues with taking Smith's jigba later

1163
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: in the draft. I think lockett Is could have kind

1164
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: of gracefully declined. I don't think he's gonna be like

1165
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: a total non factor or anything, but yeah, I think

1166
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna kind of gradually taper off a little bit

1167
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: at this point in his career.

1168
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

1169
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 3: And then last up week, Neighbors of the New York

1170
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 3: Giants rookie lsu Product. If you watched Hard Knocks offseason

1171
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 3: on Max, you saw Joe Shane and the team's thought

1172
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 3: process on Neighbors. They really felt like they needed a

1173
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: number one receiver. They really feel like, uh, like he's

1174
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: their guy, and you know, that was kind of the

1175
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: you know, along with Brian Burns, really the prize of

1176
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 3: their offseason. So you know, he's gonna be put in

1177
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: position to succeed. But I think I do think it's

1178
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: interesting that you know, Neighbors is going you know, on

1179
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: a team quarterback by Daniel Jones and or Drew Locke,

1180
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: you know, with no track record. You know, it's interesting

1181
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: that he's going, you know, this high. It kind of

1182
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 3: makes me a little bit uneasy. But maybe that's just

1183
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: my you know, do pessimistic giants fandoms speaking. But I

1184
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: do feel like there are some other wide receivers with

1185
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: higher floors that that I would rather that would be

1186
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: a little bit more comfortable with taking. So what do

1187
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: you what are you doing with Neighbors wide receiver twenty four?

1188
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I share your concerns with just the quarterback

1189
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: play here, but I think just based on talent, he

1190
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: is absolutely worth you know this this draft slot. I

1191
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: think he's already polished. He's already a well rounded, polish

1192
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: wide receiver as a rookie, he's making play after playing camp.

1193
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: Reminds me a lot of Jamar Chase and he should

1194
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: be the clear number one target in this offense without

1195
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: a doubt. But you know, unfortunately Daniel Jones is the quarterback,

1196
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: so you definitely need Jones to step it up this year.

1197
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: You know this, this does seem high for a rookie

1198
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: wide receiver, I'll admit it, but I think just based

1199
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: on his potential, his talent, it does make sense.

1200
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: But I'm wide.

1201
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: Receiver twenty four. But you know, there is some concern

1202
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: with just his year one production based on Daniel Jones,

1203
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: So I think that when it comes to these guys

1204
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: like DK Metcalf, Cooper Cup, DeVante Smith, I want to

1205
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: be loading up on those guys, and then by the

1206
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: time Neighbors is on the board, I'm maybe attacking running backs.

1207
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: So he just doesn't fit my draft strategy just based

1208
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: on the way things are shacking out. But he's a

1209
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: guy that I can't fault you for taking him this high.

1210
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: The talents there, he could have a Jamar Chase like

1211
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: a rookie season. He just doesn't have Joe Burrow as

1212
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: his quarterback. So I think it's a fair price for him.

1213
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: You definitely want to shoot for upside in fantasy, especially

1214
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 2: when you get to the lower end of wide receiver

1215
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: two tiers.

1216
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: But I'm right there with him. Wide receiver twenty four.

1217
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm at twenty seven, with half a tenth a

1218
01:03:53,360 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 3: point separating the twenty seven and thirty thirty one. Know,

1219
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 3: like the guys in that range for me, Neighbors, Pickings, Cooper, Kirk,

1220
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: and Keenan Allen. You know, I think all of those

1221
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 3: guys have question marks, So I get it. I don't

1222
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: mind him there, but I definitely I do think he's

1223
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: a better best ball pick, you know, because I do

1224
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: think there might be some some volatility early on, you know,

1225
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 3: just because of this offense and Daniel Jones and the

1226
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 3: question marks and and whatnot. So it's this is a

1227
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 3: this is the part of the draft where hopefully I've

1228
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: already got three stud receivers. Like that's that's the idea.

1229
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 3: So I, you know, I don't this is where I

1230
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: can start, you know, opening things up a little bit more,

1231
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't feel like I have to

1232
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 3: take one of these guys because I think this is where,

1233
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, all these guys have you know,

1234
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: massive ceilings, and I think, you know, if you're still

1235
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 3: need like your third receiver, I wouldn't hesitate to take

1236
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 3: you know, a Neighbors or Pickings or a Kirk or

1237
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 3: any Allen, even any of those guys. And then you

1238
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: get to Jade and Reid, and that's when it's like, Okay, well,

1239
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: now we're getting into like I love data reeves, but yeah,

1240
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 3: he was a guy that you know, ran around on

1241
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: like sixty five percent of dropbacks. He's not gonna increase.

1242
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: There's like four receivers there, so I think that's probably

1243
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: like I could easily put neighbors like you know, number

1244
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: thirty two even and you know I wouldn't like I

1245
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 3: have him twenty seven, but you know I could gower

1246
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 3: him at tensive point he's thirty two, and that you know,

1247
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: we've been talking all like these receivers are so close

1248
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: because they're all just getting Like there's about thirty guys

1249
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: that are gonna get you can really bank on their

1250
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 3: target chair and and their snap rates. And so after

1251
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: you like hit Keenan, like in my ranks anyway, after

1252
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 3: you hit Keenan now and you know, I keep talking

1253
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: about these tents of a point, but Keenan Allen to

1254
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 3: the to Jayden Reid, I have almost a full point

1255
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: separating those guys. So that's kind of my drop off

1256
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: is right right in this range. So this is where

1257
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm now how I'm starting to say, oh, oh I

1258
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: might need a running back. Let me let me see

1259
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: who's who's there, you know. So that's that's that's just

1260
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: my draft strategy. I think in redraft it tends to

1261
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: work the best when you're when you're loading up on

1262
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 3: receivers early and then kind of addressing running back kind

1263
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 3: of a zero RB strategy, you know, weight round quarterback,

1264
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 3: trying to get a stead tight end as well. In Bestball,

1265
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: you're just trying you're trying to get a diversity of

1266
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: bills and build different stacks and do different things. I think.

1267
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: So you definitely want exposure to neighbors, and that probably

1268
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 3: kind of explains some of why the ADP is so

1269
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 3: high because we are using Bestball ten ADP over the

1270
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: last two weeks. So uh, yeah, that that's kind of

1271
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking on neighbors. But yeah, I think I

1272
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 3: do think there are some risks with neighbors. So this

1273
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: is kind of where I'm starting to hear a little

1274
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 3: and saying, oh, I don't I don't just want every

1275
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 3: wide receiver here four. All right, that's going to do

1276
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 3: it for our Fantasy flex wide receiver TuPOD. We will

1277
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 3: drop part three where we'll go wide receiver twenty five

1278
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: through thirty six and thirty seven to forty eight and

1279
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 3: guys outside the top forty eight that we like on

1280
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 3: our next episode, so be on the lookout for that.

1281
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast Fantasy at flex

1282
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,880
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