WEBVTT - Ep. 13: Lanai Recap with Sam Soholt 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.840 Hey, everybody, welcome episode number thirteen to the Hunting Collective. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:08.760 I'm Ben o Brien. Today it is lu and I recap. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.480 And if you're not aware, Lena is an island in 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:18.240 Hawaii in the middle of the ocean where all islands 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.759 tend to be. Uh. It's got a lot of deer 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.319 on it and they're called axis deer or chittled deer, 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.680 as Adam green Tree likes to call him. And we're 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.360 hunting them with a big old crew of archery Ninja's 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:38.720 savages that you all probably know pretty well. So no, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.360 we didn't all get together to podcast. There was too 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.440 many of us that everybody wanted to hunt. They didn't 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.720 want to mess around talking into microphones because they are savages. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.880 And so Sam Soholt and I pass guests of the podcast. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:58.800 Man many many wears. Photographer BLUs Junkie thinks of that 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:03.320 nature got together just to recap the whole damn thing. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.600 And so that's this is that it is the LENNI Recap. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.040 You'll hear stories about Adam green Street, Joe Rogan, Cam Haynes, 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:20.400 John Dudley, Shane Dorian, Remy Warren, Sammy sohol and El 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:39.559 Chopo and more. So please enjoy episode. Then we're live. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:42.800 I always wanted to say that, but it's it'll probably 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:49.320 get cut out. We're here in Lanai, Hawaii, uh in 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.120 a house that we rented pretty much pretty much heaven 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.600 if you like chasing access here. Yep, I'm here with 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.520 Sam Sohol. You may know him from podcast number mm hmmm, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:05.080 I don't know the number six seventh somewhere right in there. Yep. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.920 You mean for that, or he may have seen his 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:12.799 bus or his photos or all the deer he kills 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.880 here and I try to only kill one a year. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.680 I'm not like some of the other people that have 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.880 joined us on this trip, where you know, we're gonna 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.720 just call this like the Lani recap. Yeah, mostly because 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.880 we couldn't convince anyone else the podcast. So they're all 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.760 too busy hunting killing animals, and they didn't want to 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.079 be bothered with sitting down the podcast. It's a funny. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.920 It's a funny thing because you're basically sitting in paradise, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.280 but like everyone's just on the go the whole time, 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.840 just need to be hunting. Well, the post I made 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.640 on Instagram, it's like you don't you're in paradise, but 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.720 you're hunting, and it's the best hunting there is, and 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.000 there's you can kill them as many deer as you please, basically, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.200 and there's all day long and there's deer everywhere. So 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.480 it's well, I sit around when there's an opportunity to 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.200 you had the shoot shoot a buck. Yeah. I mean 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.600 you can literally be stalking deer the entire day if 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.120 you want to be. Yeah, if you want to be, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.880 if you can, if you can manage it. Now, we 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:14.600 or a lot of what we have done is walk 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:19.400 around and scare things. Yeah, I mean I think how 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.440 many deer were killed on this trip save like what 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.880 might happen today or tomorrow. M I think we dropped 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.679 off nineteen at the butcher. Yeah, we'll call it. We'll 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:35.200 call it an even twenty. And there was a bunch 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.920 of hunters. But I mean with with a bow, you know, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.400 most hunts you go and it's like if you kill 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.480 one thing, you know, save a turkey hunt or something 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.920 like that. But big game animals, if you kill one thing, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.600 one animal on a trip, one buck, that's the whole 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.240 point of it. Yeah, But here it's like one buck 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.760 a day would be maybe the goal, which is a 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:02.520 crazy goal, but it's awesome. It's a I mean, the 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.200 the amount of just like experience you can gain from 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.000 spending that much time like sneaking up on animals is crazy. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.280 So tell just Sam, tell everybody who was on the trip. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:19.359 So it was myself, ye, Ben O'Brien, Uh, yeah, the 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:24.279 host of the show, Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, John Dudley. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.000 Do you want me to go in depth of who 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.960 these people are? Pretty much everybody know. I'd like you 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.800 to talk a little bit about each one, you know, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.640 all right, Uh, give it a little color. Yeah. Cameron Haynes, 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.360 he some people might know him from running long distances 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.400 and shooting things with the bow that ye has a 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.880 fairly tiny social media presence in the hunting industry. Hasn't 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.240 done much on social media, Like, no, we keep trying 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.279 to convince him to get Instagram. He's old school. Yeah, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.800 he's just twittering it up out there. So we got 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.279 Cam Haynes, Cam Haynes, we got John Dudley or knock 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:02.200 on TV, and he is uh what was a professional 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:08.680 shooter at one point and archery coach and yeah, shooter 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.320 of big animals. You have to excuse me while say 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.320 I's talking about I'm drinking a beer. If you hear 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:19.040 like Google club look look, uh yeah, So John lives 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.560 in Iowa shoots big white tail, but also travels and 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.919 hunts hogs and elk and everything all over the place. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:31.560 Then we have Remy Warren, who is a guide all 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.200 over the world but most like Montana, New Zealand, travels 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:39.120 back and forth most of the year guiding and hunting 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:44.160 and filming. And then yeah, yep, who else we got? 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.039 Adam green Tree was on this trip. He was here 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.520 and his wife Kimmy, so they were both up. Adam 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.840 is Uh how did you describe him? It's probably not 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:00.480 for said on the podcast. Uh, he is. He's a 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.920 man among like he just is the guy who can 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.719 do anything. And if he chose to be if he 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.880 chose to be the King of Australia, I'm not sure 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.159 they have kings over there never been, but if he 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.200 chose to be the King of Australia, he would be 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.760 that because anything he does, he builds his own cabins, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:24.360 he builds vehicles, he kills animals, he just pretty much 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.680 anything that he wants to do. Yeah, anything he wants 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.560 to be good at he's good at it. It's one 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.200 of those guys you want to hate, but we can't 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.600 at all, not change, no way to hate him. He's 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:42.120 the greatest um Joe Rogan Joe Joe. I'm not sure 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.080 most people know who that is, but as a podcast 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:47.720 I would say that a lot of your audience does 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.880 not know. He's got a small time podcast. Where has 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:55.160 he talks? I think about fighting or something like that. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.040 He's here, He's uh, you know, I'll be getting to 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:00.960 know him a little bit. He seems like he's already 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.320 a good guy. He might make it in this life. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.240 I've asked him a lot of questions about his time 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.680 on Fear Factor. I just keep saying I smoke Rox 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.440 Joe Rogue, and he doesn't. He never laughs. But the 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.920 best part about this year's Joe Landed got into a 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.800 like change clothes, got into a truck parked, was shooting 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.760 his bow at a target, spotted the guy spotted a 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.240 deer and they snuck in and he shot it. Was 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:34.000 It's an awesome velvet buck fifteen minutes like that's he 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.160 was here for no time at all. Since then. I 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.440 don't think he's he's been stalking him up but hasn't 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.480 any other shots. But you take, you know, you take 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.960 that all day. And then we had Shane Dorian. Dorian, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.440 who is a professional surfer, probably the one of the 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.120 best or historically one of the best big wave surfers 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:59.360 in the world. Um native of Hawaii, kind of a guy. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.480 He's been over to the Nine hunted a bunch and 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.560 was the first person who told me about this island 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.640 when we were in New Zealand probably two years ago. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.400 So I imagine if you were to say, like, how 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.960 did this all get started? Ah, that would be it. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.400 This is how it would have gotten started. And if 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.080 if you don't know who Shane Dory is, just YouTube 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.720 Shane Dory and Jaws. Oh yeah, like just surfing Jaws. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.880 It's and when you're hanging out in Shane, it's such 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:29.600 an unassuming dude. When you're hanging out with him, you're thinking, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.520 this guy, you know, he can't have done what he's done. No, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.920 he just such a normal nice He's intense, but intense 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.679 and the most you know, unassuming way that you can imagine. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.280 And then you watch videos of him surfing down, surfing 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.880 down a wall of water, that's a hundred stories high. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:58.720 It's insane and you can't imagine how he would do it. Yeah, 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.600 who else is on the trail up? Who do we miss? 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.520 I don't think we think that was that was it? 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.800 Can we say Kemmy green Tree? Yeah, Remy, we got him. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:15.200 That's everybody. John's wife, Dudley was here. She's lovely. She's 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.199 one of my favorites. If she could be she was 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.120 about hunter, we might get John out of the picture 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.559 and just keep her. But overall, pretty pretty good crew 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:31.720 on this. Yeah, I think, um, when we started thinking 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.520 about Lena, I so, yeah, I might as well go 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.480 through the whole story, because that's what this podcast is 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:41.880 going to be. Lani recap um Two years ago, Remy, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:49.040 Shane and I we're hunting New Zealand and is it 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.840 it's a great place. I mean it's We were hunting 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.920 a fallI deer ranch in the center of New Zealand 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.720 in this little near this little town called Exandra that 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:03.280 Remy knows, and Shane kept talking about Lenai. We really 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.600 kept talking about hunting in Hawaii altogether as being comparable 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.640 to this ranch. We were on the amount of deer 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.960 and things you could do and so sparked my interest 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.600 then and after that trip, I was like, Shane is 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.160 such a great dude. I'm like, we get a hunt 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:22.600 again together, and so we started talking about it. And 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.360 then a year later, Um, I met a guy named 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:31.000 John Dubin who is the I believe I'll say this wrong, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.000 but he's in some relation or is close to Larry Ellison, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.360 who is the founder of Oracle, one of the richest 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.240 people in the world, and he owns this island. He's 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:46.880 literally the king of Lanai City. He owns everything. Um 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.160 and I met John Dubin and he mentioned, Hey, I'm 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.160 starting an outfit on Lanai if you ever want to 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.080 come hunting, and that's how immediately called Dorian him like, dude, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.680 we gotta Oh my gosh, worlds are colliding, worlds are colliding. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.599 We gotta do it. So then we recruited Sam to 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:06.560 take photos last year, Um Rogan to come flying in 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.599 and provide a lot of the lot of the entertainment, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:14.840 and uh, John Dudley came, and Shane came, and Rammy came. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.760 So it was badass um and a lot of you 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.199 might remember the podcast Rogan's podcast that we did that 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:29.600 involved lots of booze, cat Ladies, Wesley Walls, yeph Tank, Abbot, 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:35.520 and west Bank. So about a half hour conversation, look 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.640 up podcasts in Paradise on Rogan's feet and good luck 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.720 from there. Uh So, we had a great trip last 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.520 year and then talked to duping in the boys at 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.920 Pineapple Brothers Outfitting this year and they're like, come back 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.680 and bring more people. So well we was like, we 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.800 can't go without Green Tree, we can't go without Cam Haynes. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:59.240 We lined all that up and and landed here and 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.360 uh now we're at the last day of the trip 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:08.559 and it's been pretty damn unreal. Oh yeah, I mean 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.120 even better than last year. He's been way better than 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.280 last year, way better because I think last year, you know, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.720 the outfit here was just kind of starting and we 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.360 were just kind of feeling our way around. But this 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.680 year is like we knew what to do, We knew 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.520 the guys, we knew the town, we knew the new 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.120 the spots, we kind of knew the deer a little 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.800 bit better. I knew what we wanted to do, and 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:35.440 it from day from minute one, Oh yeah, ship was on. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:42.880 It was on. And um who killed first? I think 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:49.520 Shane did. Yeah, yeah, because it was evening one. Yeah, 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.120 that's back up John Dudley. Definitely, Dudley, definite. Yeah, Dudley 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.000 showed up a couple days early, so Dudley came in 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.760 to show us up. He killed three on the first day. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.520 So here's just I want to say a little bit 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.400 about John. You might follow him or no. About John 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.679 and his archery proficiency. He's probably one of the best 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.800 shooters in the in that I've ever met, or in 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.880 the world. UM coaches internationally and and does all those things. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:20.480 Been on this podcast before. But among all the savages, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:26.120 he is top level. Like he's public land here is 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.360 pretty the deer scarce. There's not as many deers there are 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:33.080 are on the private outfitted areas. Not only that access 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.680 to are not easy to kill. They're not easy to 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.679 talk or easy to kill either. One and he went 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.079 out before we were even here, like seven or eight 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.080 days ago, with his wife and a guide, went to 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:52.960 the public and shot three deer in an afternoon. Yeah, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.120 it's crazy. How long do you think it would take 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.000 a normal person to just to kill three deer on 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.439 that public A lot lot more time a week. It 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.640 would make me a week. Yeah, and then another morning 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.760 this week he you know, shot two more dear when 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.600 I was shooting photos of them. So it's uh, yeah, 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.560 it just happens for him, It just makes it happen. Yeah, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.000 he's not so that, there's just a mentality about that. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.920 And Sam has followed all these guys around this week 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.200 so he can has a good insight on not only 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.120 what the stalks are like or what the hunts were like, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.360 but each one of those guys and like what they 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:32.480 bring to the table over and above just their personality 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.400 and what you might know him as. Like, each of 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.800 them has their own way to succeed, and what I've 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.200 found is important for me. It's just to to like 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.720 listen to them, even though we're friends. I'm not gonna 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.200 ask him, like how do you succeed? John, but like 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.360 just watch him and listen to the situation they get 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.960 in and understand the ins and outs of what makes 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.400 them tick and take try to take pieces of that 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.440 and apply it to my own bow hunting, which hasn't 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.800 worked thus far this but now and they all have 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.120 very different styles. Yeah, so it was cool to to 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.000 be with all the different people and kind of follow 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.840 them around and see what they did differently. Yeah, I 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.840 don't think there's any one right way. You just gotta 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.440 find the way that works for you and do that 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.640 because you know, a guy like green Tree is a 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.880 little bit more like way more aggressive than a guy 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.800 like Shane. So it's it's just yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.440 mean if you were to break it down, you know. 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.800 So Dudley goes out kills three deer, sends us a 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.680 selfie of him, and these three deer were immediately like 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.160 did you hit those deer on the highway? Like you 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.480 can't just kill three deer on the first day, but 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.160 he did. Um. And to even go back further than that, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.400 I mean, Lanai is an island. He's a privately own island. Um, 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.800 it's you know, said Larry Elison is now the owner, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.560 but previous owner, previous owner. Um, there's a couple owners 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.520 in between. But the most notable thing that anybody would 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.680 know is Doll Pineapple Company one point owned this island 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:06.520 and it was most basically a giant pineapple plantation. So 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.400 you can still see a lot of the irrigation pipes 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:09.800 and a lot of the black tubing that was out 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.040 there from from the pineapple plants in that operation when 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:20.240 you're out there, but it's essentially big flat brush country. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.000 I mean, for the lack of a better term, there's 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.240 a bunch of lantana bushes and a bunch of tall 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:31.040 grass and just big flat, rolling hillsides full of access 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.640 to here. Yeah, it's it's a crazy landscape to hunt. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:39.840 And it's the change between years was very drastic because 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.720 it's been so wet this year. So last year there 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.480 was still all the bushes and stuff, but the grass 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.920 in between was a lot shorter, and this year it's 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.160 like walking through a six ft tall jungle in a 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.400 lot of places. And so for you, like I think 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.360 water when you're hunting something like this, really any spot 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.400 in stalk. But then you got to know the landscape, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.000 like you know that you don't have a lot of room, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.360 really don't have a lot of room to move at all, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.399 because there's deer everywhere. It's not like they're going to 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.720 be in a cool lead or be down in a 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.480 basin somewhere where you know you can drop in and 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.600 look and glass them up. Literally around every corner there 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.400 could be a deer under a bush, or a deer 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.040 in a bottom, or a deer on the top of 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.840 a mound or whatever. So in this country you just 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.280 kind of know that you have to know where the 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.439 deer are, have a plan, get your wind right and 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.240 go slow or at least and know that you're probably 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:28.840 like if you're going after a buck, you just know 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.280 you're probably going to blow some deer out between you 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.040 and the and that deer. What's that sound like, Sam, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.920 I don't should I do it directly right in the microphone? Yep, 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.320 that's why it sounds like. Now, so I've heard that 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.840 sound a thousand times in the least five and a 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:49.480 half days. So that's that's when they're basically barking at you. Yeah, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.080 that's their bark. That's that's kind of like the fuck. Yeah, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.879 you know, get out of here, like there's danger. That 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.239 sounds great. When you get like a herd of like 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.160 forty is that are to all barking at you, it's 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.199 really then they're just talking to each other, like you 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.200 see him, he's an idiot? Why is he over there? 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.720 Do you think we can't see him or something? Let's 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:15.440 let's all run together simultaneously. It's nice. Sometimes you get 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.600 a nice cascading effect where you you scare like ten deer, 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.359 and then they run and they scare like deer, and 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.880 then those thirty deer run and scare a hundred deer, 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.720 and all of a sudden, if you just got a stampede. 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.040 And some of these deer, these dear native of India, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.040 and they were brought here as a gift for a king. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.840 I don't can't remember the king's name, but we'll look 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.440 that up and put that in the show notes. Um. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.040 But they have built in their genetic code somewhere deep down, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:53.520 this switched on will to live that I'm sure was 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.120 baked in over a hundred of years of predation from 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:01.920 Bengal tigers and jaguars and just a pretty harsh way 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.920 to live as these in their native country. Yeah, they're 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.520 pretty they're pretty alert, and they're like that in Texas 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.119 and they're like that here. I mean, they just have 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:14.399 it built in. Whereas you know, I'm sure there's some 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.560 conditioning that goes along the way, but I think these 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.960 deer are most connected to the way that they were, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.399 Whereas I've seen other deer and situations get conditioned to 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.240 a certain thing, like walking around houses or being in 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.000 an urban landscape like the white tailed deers are pretty 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:33.600 adaptable animal. Um. The mule deer is not so adaptable. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.680 But they are also in urban situations where they can 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.119 walk up to them. So, but I can't ever imagine 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.120 an access to your walking around somebody's backyard at any level. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.240 I'm sure they do. Yeah, but it's it just seems 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:51.520 like a different a different type of alertness. That's yeah, 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.160 it's a fun. It's a fun animal to chase. It's 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.480 because it's uh, they don't let you get away with much. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:03.760 If they are on alert. You take a shot. The 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:11.679 the ducking of the string unbelievable. We'll fast forward to 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.720 the last night when Sam and I were stalking up 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.520 some deer and some really tall brush and some lantana 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.400 bushes and thick high grass and on these red dirt roads. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.399 You kind of take your shoes off, getting your socks 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.520 and just slowly stalk down these roads. Be super quiet, 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.000 look for antler tips in the tall grass, try to 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.240 find these deer, see the deer before they see you, essentially, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:38.399 and make make some stocks. Well, we went through a 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:44.080 few stalks. The first one deer pops out of forty 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:45.840 five yards on this road. We stuck up a little 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.520 closer stop range. It a couple of deer across the road, 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.640 A third gear across the road. I draw it spots 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.320 me or hears it or something, and it's looking at me, 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.159 and I send an arrow at forty five yards. The 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.280 arrow went perfectly towards its shoulder, but the deer was 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.280 buried in the dirt by the time. Yeah, that deer 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.440 was halfway across the road by the time the arrow 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.760 got toward it was It wasn't an entire deer's body 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.480 above where the deer was. Yeah. Yeah, next year, I 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.879 shot out kind of same thing, thirty five yards, shot 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.919 through a little hole in the brush, and it ducked 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:23.879 and not as bad as the other one, but ducked 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.240 on that. And then the third one I was going 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.000 to shoot at was sixty some yards away and wasn't 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.399 looking at us. And this is the same range, sixty 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.320 six and I drew my bow. I was like momb city. 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:41.359 I said that ship out loud, and then that deer 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:46.280 was gone. Yeah, there was no bombs deer. So that's 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.200 I mean, that's kind of just the way it goes 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.240 out of here. You're not scared to shoot an arrow 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.359 at these deer because they are over populated. There are 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.040 a lot of sick deer here. Um. I don't know 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:58.440 if that's directly due to the overpopulation, but that those 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.200 things seem to always correlate, oh, in these types of areas. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.639 So you know, not that you want to take unethical 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.320 shots per se, but you understand that that it's a 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:13.800 necessity to do to take some of these deer out 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.760 of here, you know, and the you know, the guides 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.040 of the operation, they're going out and shooting deer at 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.200 night to just work on controlling the population. I think, 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.679 you know, they they'll go out and shoot thirty in 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:25.280 a night, and then they donate all the meat to 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.520 the town. You can sign up and yeah, of course, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.840 of course you get the meat. But like, just the 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.840 number of deer that they have to call out of 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:38.080 here each year to maintain the population from being completely 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.560 over run is crazy. Well, and you know, it's a 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.919 pretty easy equation. You take a non native species and 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:49.920 you drop it onto a island that pushed up out 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.800 of the ocean, a piece of red dirty drop them here. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.520 You put people here, or they were here when they 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.960 were obviously here when they were put here, but you 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.680 try to dial in the cohabitation. There's no predation, there's 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.320 no winter kill, there's no really, there's nothing other than 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.720 humans to kill these animals. And there's food everywhere, and 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.520 there's food everywhere. Everything is food. Everything they walk in 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:21.240 his food. Every bush, every tree is food. And that's 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.080 what you get. I mean, there are thousands of deer here. 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.800 There's nothing to see. Five hundred deer in a night, 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.560 I mean, I mean how many we see this morning 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:34.600 just crossing from the flat back. Probably three hundred, that's 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:36.719 all guessing, but more deer than you. You sit there 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.800 and just watch them cross, cross, cross, cross. And so 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.119 I think it's funny like the sheds, you know, like 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.639 finding this time of year is all fired up about 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.679