Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number thirteen to the Hunting Collective.
Speaker 1: I'm Ben o Brien. Today it is lu and I recap.
Speaker 1: And if you're not aware, Lena is an island in
Speaker 1: Hawaii in the middle of the ocean where all islands
Speaker 1: tend to be. Uh. It's got a lot of deer
Speaker 1: on it and they're called axis deer or chittled deer,
Speaker 1: as Adam green Tree likes to call him. And we're
Speaker 1: hunting them with a big old crew of archery Ninja's
Speaker 1: savages that you all probably know pretty well. So no,
Speaker 1: we didn't all get together to podcast. There was too
Speaker 1: many of us that everybody wanted to hunt. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to mess around talking into microphones because they are savages.
Speaker 1: And so Sam Soholt and I pass guests of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Man many many wears. Photographer BLUs Junkie thinks of that
Speaker 1: nature got together just to recap the whole damn thing.
Speaker 1: And so that's this is that it is the LENNI Recap.
Speaker 1: You'll hear stories about Adam green Street, Joe Rogan, Cam Haynes,
Speaker 1: John Dudley, Shane Dorian, Remy Warren, Sammy sohol and El
Speaker 1: Chopo and more. So please enjoy episode. Then we're live.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to say that, but it's it'll probably
Speaker 1: get cut out. We're here in Lanai, Hawaii, uh in
Speaker 1: a house that we rented pretty much pretty much heaven
Speaker 1: if you like chasing access here. Yep, I'm here with
Speaker 1: Sam Sohol. You may know him from podcast number mm hmmm,
Speaker 1: I don't know the number six seventh somewhere right in there. Yep.
Speaker 1: You mean for that, or he may have seen his
Speaker 1: bus or his photos or all the deer he kills
Speaker 1: here and I try to only kill one a year.
Speaker 1: I'm not like some of the other people that have
Speaker 1: joined us on this trip, where you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: just call this like the Lani recap. Yeah, mostly because
Speaker 1: we couldn't convince anyone else the podcast. So they're all
Speaker 1: too busy hunting killing animals, and they didn't want to
Speaker 1: be bothered with sitting down the podcast. It's a funny.
Speaker 1: It's a funny thing because you're basically sitting in paradise,
Speaker 1: but like everyone's just on the go the whole time,
Speaker 1: just need to be hunting. Well, the post I made
Speaker 1: on Instagram, it's like you don't you're in paradise, but
Speaker 1: you're hunting, and it's the best hunting there is, and
Speaker 1: there's you can kill them as many deer as you please, basically,
Speaker 1: and there's all day long and there's deer everywhere. So
Speaker 1: it's well, I sit around when there's an opportunity to
Speaker 1: you had the shoot shoot a buck. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: you can literally be stalking deer the entire day if
Speaker 1: you want to be. Yeah, if you want to be,
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can manage it. Now, we
Speaker 1: or a lot of what we have done is walk
Speaker 1: around and scare things. Yeah, I mean I think how
Speaker 1: many deer were killed on this trip save like what
Speaker 1: might happen today or tomorrow. M I think we dropped
Speaker 1: off nineteen at the butcher. Yeah, we'll call it. We'll
Speaker 1: call it an even twenty. And there was a bunch
Speaker 1: of hunters. But I mean with with a bow, you know,
Speaker 1: most hunts you go and it's like if you kill
Speaker 1: one thing, you know, save a turkey hunt or something
Speaker 1: like that. But big game animals, if you kill one thing,
Speaker 1: one animal on a trip, one buck, that's the whole
Speaker 1: point of it. Yeah, But here it's like one buck
Speaker 1: a day would be maybe the goal, which is a
Speaker 1: crazy goal, but it's awesome. It's a I mean, the
Speaker 1: the amount of just like experience you can gain from
Speaker 1: spending that much time like sneaking up on animals is crazy.
Speaker 1: So tell just Sam, tell everybody who was on the trip.
Speaker 1: So it was myself, ye, Ben O'Brien, Uh, yeah, the
Speaker 1: host of the show, Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan, John Dudley.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to go in depth of who
Speaker 1: these people are? Pretty much everybody know. I'd like you
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about each one, you know,
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, give it a little color. Yeah. Cameron Haynes,
Speaker 1: he some people might know him from running long distances
Speaker 1: and shooting things with the bow that ye has a
Speaker 1: fairly tiny social media presence in the hunting industry. Hasn't
Speaker 1: done much on social media, Like, no, we keep trying
Speaker 1: to convince him to get Instagram. He's old school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just twittering it up out there. So we got
Speaker 1: Cam Haynes, Cam Haynes, we got John Dudley or knock
Speaker 1: on TV, and he is uh what was a professional
Speaker 1: shooter at one point and archery coach and yeah, shooter
Speaker 1: of big animals. You have to excuse me while say
Speaker 1: I's talking about I'm drinking a beer. If you hear
Speaker 1: like Google club look look, uh yeah, So John lives
Speaker 1: in Iowa shoots big white tail, but also travels and
Speaker 1: hunts hogs and elk and everything all over the place.
Speaker 1: Then we have Remy Warren, who is a guide all
Speaker 1: over the world but most like Montana, New Zealand, travels
Speaker 1: back and forth most of the year guiding and hunting
Speaker 1: and filming. And then yeah, yep, who else we got?
Speaker 1: Adam green Tree was on this trip. He was here
Speaker 1: and his wife Kimmy, so they were both up. Adam
Speaker 1: is Uh how did you describe him? It's probably not
Speaker 1: for said on the podcast. Uh, he is. He's a
Speaker 1: man among like he just is the guy who can
Speaker 1: do anything. And if he chose to be if he
Speaker 1: chose to be the King of Australia, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: they have kings over there never been, but if he
Speaker 1: chose to be the King of Australia, he would be
Speaker 1: that because anything he does, he builds his own cabins,
Speaker 1: he builds vehicles, he kills animals, he just pretty much
Speaker 1: anything that he wants to do. Yeah, anything he wants
Speaker 1: to be good at he's good at it. It's one
Speaker 1: of those guys you want to hate, but we can't
Speaker 1: at all, not change, no way to hate him. He's
Speaker 1: the greatest um Joe Rogan Joe Joe. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: most people know who that is, but as a podcast
Speaker 1: I would say that a lot of your audience does
Speaker 1: not know. He's got a small time podcast. Where has
Speaker 1: he talks? I think about fighting or something like that.
Speaker 1: He's here, He's uh, you know, I'll be getting to
Speaker 1: know him a little bit. He seems like he's already
Speaker 1: a good guy. He might make it in this life.
Speaker 1: I've asked him a lot of questions about his time
Speaker 1: on Fear Factor. I just keep saying I smoke Rox
Speaker 1: Joe Rogue, and he doesn't. He never laughs. But the
Speaker 1: best part about this year's Joe Landed got into a
Speaker 1: like change clothes, got into a truck parked, was shooting
Speaker 1: his bow at a target, spotted the guy spotted a
Speaker 1: deer and they snuck in and he shot it. Was
Speaker 1: It's an awesome velvet buck fifteen minutes like that's he
Speaker 1: was here for no time at all. Since then. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's he's been stalking him up but hasn't
Speaker 1: any other shots. But you take, you know, you take
Speaker 1: that all day. And then we had Shane Dorian. Dorian,
Speaker 1: who is a professional surfer, probably the one of the
Speaker 1: best or historically one of the best big wave surfers
Speaker 1: in the world. Um native of Hawaii, kind of a guy.
Speaker 1: He's been over to the Nine hunted a bunch and
Speaker 1: was the first person who told me about this island
Speaker 1: when we were in New Zealand probably two years ago.
Speaker 1: So I imagine if you were to say, like, how
Speaker 1: did this all get started? Ah, that would be it.
Speaker 1: This is how it would have gotten started. And if
Speaker 1: if you don't know who Shane Dory is, just YouTube
Speaker 1: Shane Dory and Jaws. Oh yeah, like just surfing Jaws.
Speaker 1: It's and when you're hanging out in Shane, it's such
Speaker 1: an unassuming dude. When you're hanging out with him, you're thinking,
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, he can't have done what he's done. No,
Speaker 1: he just such a normal nice He's intense, but intense
Speaker 1: and the most you know, unassuming way that you can imagine.
Speaker 1: And then you watch videos of him surfing down, surfing
Speaker 1: down a wall of water, that's a hundred stories high.
Speaker 1: It's insane and you can't imagine how he would do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who else is on the trail up? Who do we miss?
Speaker 1: I don't think we think that was that was it?
Speaker 1: Can we say Kemmy green Tree? Yeah, Remy, we got him.
Speaker 1: That's everybody. John's wife, Dudley was here. She's lovely. She's
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. If she could be she was
Speaker 1: about hunter, we might get John out of the picture
Speaker 1: and just keep her. But overall, pretty pretty good crew
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, I think, um, when we started thinking
Speaker 1: about Lena, I so, yeah, I might as well go
Speaker 1: through the whole story, because that's what this podcast is
Speaker 1: going to be. Lani recap um Two years ago, Remy,
Speaker 1: Shane and I we're hunting New Zealand and is it
Speaker 1: it's a great place. I mean it's We were hunting
Speaker 1: a fallI deer ranch in the center of New Zealand
Speaker 1: in this little near this little town called Exandra that
Speaker 1: Remy knows, and Shane kept talking about Lenai. We really
Speaker 1: kept talking about hunting in Hawaii altogether as being comparable
Speaker 1: to this ranch. We were on the amount of deer
Speaker 1: and things you could do and so sparked my interest
Speaker 1: then and after that trip, I was like, Shane is
Speaker 1: such a great dude. I'm like, we get a hunt
Speaker 1: again together, and so we started talking about it. And
Speaker 1: then a year later, Um, I met a guy named
Speaker 1: John Dubin who is the I believe I'll say this wrong,
Speaker 1: but he's in some relation or is close to Larry Ellison,
Speaker 1: who is the founder of Oracle, one of the richest
Speaker 1: people in the world, and he owns this island. He's
Speaker 1: literally the king of Lanai City. He owns everything. Um
Speaker 1: and I met John Dubin and he mentioned, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: starting an outfit on Lanai if you ever want to
Speaker 1: come hunting, and that's how immediately called Dorian him like, dude,
Speaker 1: we gotta Oh my gosh, worlds are colliding, worlds are colliding.
Speaker 1: We gotta do it. So then we recruited Sam to
Speaker 1: take photos last year, Um Rogan to come flying in
Speaker 1: and provide a lot of the lot of the entertainment,
Speaker 1: and uh, John Dudley came, and Shane came, and Rammy came.
Speaker 1: So it was badass um and a lot of you
Speaker 1: might remember the podcast Rogan's podcast that we did that
Speaker 1: involved lots of booze, cat Ladies, Wesley Walls, yeph Tank, Abbot,
Speaker 1: and west Bank. So about a half hour conversation, look
Speaker 1: up podcasts in Paradise on Rogan's feet and good luck
Speaker 1: from there. Uh So, we had a great trip last
Speaker 1: year and then talked to duping in the boys at
Speaker 1: Pineapple Brothers Outfitting this year and they're like, come back
Speaker 1: and bring more people. So well we was like, we
Speaker 1: can't go without Green Tree, we can't go without Cam Haynes.
Speaker 1: We lined all that up and and landed here and
Speaker 1: uh now we're at the last day of the trip
Speaker 1: and it's been pretty damn unreal. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: even better than last year. He's been way better than
Speaker 1: last year, way better because I think last year, you know,
Speaker 1: the outfit here was just kind of starting and we
Speaker 1: were just kind of feeling our way around. But this
Speaker 1: year is like we knew what to do, We knew
Speaker 1: the guys, we knew the town, we knew the new
Speaker 1: the spots, we kind of knew the deer a little
Speaker 1: bit better. I knew what we wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: it from day from minute one, Oh yeah, ship was on.
Speaker 1: It was on. And um who killed first? I think
Speaker 1: Shane did. Yeah, yeah, because it was evening one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's back up John Dudley. Definitely, Dudley, definite. Yeah, Dudley
Speaker 1: showed up a couple days early, so Dudley came in
Speaker 1: to show us up. He killed three on the first day.
Speaker 1: So here's just I want to say a little bit
Speaker 1: about John. You might follow him or no. About John
Speaker 1: and his archery proficiency. He's probably one of the best
Speaker 1: shooters in the in that I've ever met, or in
Speaker 1: the world. UM coaches internationally and and does all those things.
Speaker 1: Been on this podcast before. But among all the savages,
Speaker 1: he is top level. Like he's public land here is
Speaker 1: pretty the deer scarce. There's not as many deers there are
Speaker 1: are on the private outfitted areas. Not only that access
Speaker 1: to are not easy to kill. They're not easy to
Speaker 1: talk or easy to kill either. One and he went
Speaker 1: out before we were even here, like seven or eight
Speaker 1: days ago, with his wife and a guide, went to
Speaker 1: the public and shot three deer in an afternoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. How long do you think it would take
Speaker 1: a normal person to just to kill three deer on
Speaker 1: that public A lot lot more time a week. It
Speaker 1: would make me a week. Yeah, and then another morning
Speaker 1: this week he you know, shot two more dear when
Speaker 1: I was shooting photos of them. So it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just happens for him, It just makes it happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not so that, there's just a mentality about that.
Speaker 1: And Sam has followed all these guys around this week
Speaker 1: so he can has a good insight on not only
Speaker 1: what the stalks are like or what the hunts were like,
Speaker 1: but each one of those guys and like what they
Speaker 1: bring to the table over and above just their personality
Speaker 1: and what you might know him as. Like, each of
Speaker 1: them has their own way to succeed, and what I've
Speaker 1: found is important for me. It's just to to like
Speaker 1: listen to them, even though we're friends. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: ask him, like how do you succeed? John, but like
Speaker 1: just watch him and listen to the situation they get
Speaker 1: in and understand the ins and outs of what makes
Speaker 1: them tick and take try to take pieces of that
Speaker 1: and apply it to my own bow hunting, which hasn't
Speaker 1: worked thus far this but now and they all have
Speaker 1: very different styles. Yeah, so it was cool to to
Speaker 1: be with all the different people and kind of follow
Speaker 1: them around and see what they did differently. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any one right way. You just gotta
Speaker 1: find the way that works for you and do that
Speaker 1: because you know, a guy like green Tree is a
Speaker 1: little bit more like way more aggressive than a guy
Speaker 1: like Shane. So it's it's just yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean if you were to break it down, you know.
Speaker 1: So Dudley goes out kills three deer, sends us a
Speaker 1: selfie of him, and these three deer were immediately like
Speaker 1: did you hit those deer on the highway? Like you
Speaker 1: can't just kill three deer on the first day, but
Speaker 1: he did. Um. And to even go back further than that,
Speaker 1: I mean, Lanai is an island. He's a privately own island. Um,
Speaker 1: it's you know, said Larry Elison is now the owner,
Speaker 1: but previous owner, previous owner. Um, there's a couple owners
Speaker 1: in between. But the most notable thing that anybody would
Speaker 1: know is Doll Pineapple Company one point owned this island
Speaker 1: and it was most basically a giant pineapple plantation. So
Speaker 1: you can still see a lot of the irrigation pipes
Speaker 1: and a lot of the black tubing that was out
Speaker 1: there from from the pineapple plants in that operation when
Speaker 1: you're out there, but it's essentially big flat brush country.
Speaker 1: I mean, for the lack of a better term, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of lantana bushes and a bunch of tall
Speaker 1: grass and just big flat, rolling hillsides full of access
Speaker 1: to here. Yeah, it's it's a crazy landscape to hunt.
Speaker 1: And it's the change between years was very drastic because
Speaker 1: it's been so wet this year. So last year there
Speaker 1: was still all the bushes and stuff, but the grass
Speaker 1: in between was a lot shorter, and this year it's
Speaker 1: like walking through a six ft tall jungle in a
Speaker 1: lot of places. And so for you, like I think
Speaker 1: water when you're hunting something like this, really any spot
Speaker 1: in stalk. But then you got to know the landscape,
Speaker 1: like you know that you don't have a lot of room,
Speaker 1: really don't have a lot of room to move at all,
Speaker 1: because there's deer everywhere. It's not like they're going to
Speaker 1: be in a cool lead or be down in a
Speaker 1: basin somewhere where you know you can drop in and
Speaker 1: look and glass them up. Literally around every corner there
Speaker 1: could be a deer under a bush, or a deer
Speaker 1: in a bottom, or a deer on the top of
Speaker 1: a mound or whatever. So in this country you just
Speaker 1: kind of know that you have to know where the
Speaker 1: deer are, have a plan, get your wind right and
Speaker 1: go slow or at least and know that you're probably
Speaker 1: like if you're going after a buck, you just know
Speaker 1: you're probably going to blow some deer out between you
Speaker 1: and the and that deer. What's that sound like, Sam,
Speaker 1: I don't should I do it directly right in the microphone? Yep,
Speaker 1: that's why it sounds like. Now, so I've heard that
Speaker 1: sound a thousand times in the least five and a
Speaker 1: half days. So that's that's when they're basically barking at you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's their bark. That's that's kind of like the fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, get out of here, like there's danger. That
Speaker 1: sounds great. When you get like a herd of like
Speaker 1: forty is that are to all barking at you, it's
Speaker 1: really then they're just talking to each other, like you
Speaker 1: see him, he's an idiot? Why is he over there?
Speaker 1: Do you think we can't see him or something? Let's
Speaker 1: let's all run together simultaneously. It's nice. Sometimes you get
Speaker 1: a nice cascading effect where you you scare like ten deer,
Speaker 1: and then they run and they scare like deer, and
Speaker 1: then those thirty deer run and scare a hundred deer,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, if you just got a stampede.
Speaker 1: And some of these deer, these dear native of India,
Speaker 1: and they were brought here as a gift for a king.
Speaker 1: I don't can't remember the king's name, but we'll look
Speaker 1: that up and put that in the show notes. Um.
Speaker 1: But they have built in their genetic code somewhere deep down,
Speaker 1: this switched on will to live that I'm sure was
Speaker 1: baked in over a hundred of years of predation from
Speaker 1: Bengal tigers and jaguars and just a pretty harsh way
Speaker 1: to live as these in their native country. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: pretty they're pretty alert, and they're like that in Texas
Speaker 1: and they're like that here. I mean, they just have
Speaker 1: it built in. Whereas you know, I'm sure there's some
Speaker 1: conditioning that goes along the way, but I think these
Speaker 1: deer are most connected to the way that they were,
Speaker 1: Whereas I've seen other deer and situations get conditioned to
Speaker 1: a certain thing, like walking around houses or being in
Speaker 1: an urban landscape like the white tailed deers are pretty
Speaker 1: adaptable animal. Um. The mule deer is not so adaptable.
Speaker 1: But they are also in urban situations where they can
Speaker 1: walk up to them. So, but I can't ever imagine
Speaker 1: an access to your walking around somebody's backyard at any level.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. Yeah, but it's it just seems
Speaker 1: like a different a different type of alertness. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a fun. It's a fun animal to chase. It's
Speaker 1: because it's uh, they don't let you get away with much.
Speaker 1: If they are on alert. You take a shot. The
Speaker 1: the ducking of the string unbelievable. We'll fast forward to
Speaker 1: the last night when Sam and I were stalking up
Speaker 1: some deer and some really tall brush and some lantana
Speaker 1: bushes and thick high grass and on these red dirt roads.
Speaker 1: You kind of take your shoes off, getting your socks
Speaker 1: and just slowly stalk down these roads. Be super quiet,
Speaker 1: look for antler tips in the tall grass, try to
Speaker 1: find these deer, see the deer before they see you, essentially,
Speaker 1: and make make some stocks. Well, we went through a
Speaker 1: few stalks. The first one deer pops out of forty
Speaker 1: five yards on this road. We stuck up a little
Speaker 1: closer stop range. It a couple of deer across the road,
Speaker 1: A third gear across the road. I draw it spots
Speaker 1: me or hears it or something, and it's looking at me,
Speaker 1: and I send an arrow at forty five yards. The
Speaker 1: arrow went perfectly towards its shoulder, but the deer was
Speaker 1: buried in the dirt by the time. Yeah, that deer
Speaker 1: was halfway across the road by the time the arrow
Speaker 1: got toward it was It wasn't an entire deer's body
Speaker 1: above where the deer was. Yeah. Yeah, next year, I
Speaker 1: shot out kind of same thing, thirty five yards, shot
Speaker 1: through a little hole in the brush, and it ducked
Speaker 1: and not as bad as the other one, but ducked
Speaker 1: on that. And then the third one I was going
Speaker 1: to shoot at was sixty some yards away and wasn't
Speaker 1: looking at us. And this is the same range, sixty
Speaker 1: six and I drew my bow. I was like momb city.
Speaker 1: I said that ship out loud, and then that deer
Speaker 1: was gone. Yeah, there was no bombs deer. So that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of just the way it goes
Speaker 1: out of here. You're not scared to shoot an arrow
Speaker 1: at these deer because they are over populated. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of sick deer here. Um. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's directly due to the overpopulation, but that those
Speaker 1: things seem to always correlate, oh, in these types of areas.
Speaker 1: So you know, not that you want to take unethical
Speaker 1: shots per se, but you understand that that it's a
Speaker 1: necessity to do to take some of these deer out
Speaker 1: of here, you know, and the you know, the guides
Speaker 1: of the operation, they're going out and shooting deer at
Speaker 1: night to just work on controlling the population. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, they they'll go out and shoot thirty in
Speaker 1: a night, and then they donate all the meat to
Speaker 1: the town. You can sign up and yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: of course you get the meat. But like, just the
Speaker 1: number of deer that they have to call out of
Speaker 1: here each year to maintain the population from being completely
Speaker 1: over run is crazy. Well, and you know, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty easy equation. You take a non native species and
Speaker 1: you drop it onto a island that pushed up out
Speaker 1: of the ocean, a piece of red dirty drop them here.
Speaker 1: You put people here, or they were here when they
Speaker 1: were obviously here when they were put here, but you
Speaker 1: try to dial in the cohabitation. There's no predation, there's
Speaker 1: no winter kill, there's no really, there's nothing other than
Speaker 1: humans to kill these animals. And there's food everywhere, and
Speaker 1: there's food everywhere. Everything is food. Everything they walk in
Speaker 1: his food. Every bush, every tree is food. And that's
Speaker 1: what you get. I mean, there are thousands of deer here.
Speaker 1: There's nothing to see. Five hundred deer in a night,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean how many we see this morning
Speaker 1: just crossing from the flat back. Probably three hundred, that's
Speaker 1: all guessing, but more deer than you. You sit there
Speaker 1: and just watch them cross, cross, cross, cross. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's funny like the sheds, you know, like
Speaker 1: finding this time of year is all fired up about
Speaker 1: hiking around the mountains and wherever finding shed antlers, And
Speaker 1: here you can walk around not even try and pick
Speaker 1: up five in a day, or if you go try
Speaker 1: you could pick up a pick up load. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's such a unique situation. It's such a unique
Speaker 1: way to think about hunting and meat and what our
Speaker 1: role is with the role of of hunters both that
Speaker 1: pay money because and a lot of international situations and
Speaker 1: impoverished nations like you're thinking of hunting bringing value to
Speaker 1: a situation, and I think hunting does bring some value
Speaker 1: to this, to this island. I mean it brings jobs,
Speaker 1: and it brings but it's not so much that like
Speaker 1: hunting brings tourism dollars. It adds another experience for people
Speaker 1: who visit here, and then it adds a delicious meat
Speaker 1: to the table of a lot of people. Um, And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really passionate hunters here because they
Speaker 1: have access to to that this amount of game, and
Speaker 1: it's not really regulated in the way it is in
Speaker 1: the States. So it feels different and it feels different
Speaker 1: to hunt these these dear for sure, UM feels different
Speaker 1: than white tails. It feels differ I mean, it just does.
Speaker 1: And that I think that's why we all, I mean
Speaker 1: we all enjoyed for a lot of reasons. But I
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons that you think about the
Speaker 1: access here as a whole, the population as a whole,
Speaker 1: not just I gotta go kill one buck. You're thinking,
Speaker 1: I gotta shoot a nice buck. Some call deer a
Speaker 1: couple of dose. If there's a sick deer, I'll take
Speaker 1: that out. Like it really is holistic and the way
Speaker 1: you think about the deer as opposed to Oh, I've
Speaker 1: got to shoot a thirty buck and then go home.
Speaker 1: So it does change. Is there any other places like that?
Speaker 1: I can't even think of any places like that that
Speaker 1: I've ever hunted. I've certainly never been anywhere anywhere like this.
Speaker 1: The amount of deer, the amount of deer they'll let
Speaker 1: you shoot. I mean, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: places where animals need to be called course, but New
Speaker 1: Zealand comes to mind. Is a similar kind of attitude
Speaker 1: towards towards game. But it's just a different environment. There's
Speaker 1: not as many of the animals plugged into it to
Speaker 1: those places, right, So I think that's why this makes
Speaker 1: it unique. And um, do your access to your roar?
Speaker 1: Do the roar? So it's a it's a variation of
Speaker 1: the bark. It's not nearly as harsh some mail. It's
Speaker 1: a mail, but it's like, now we're gonna go into
Speaker 1: the mail. Access to here. This is the male act.
Speaker 1: Feel like Jim Carey in a Spinua when he's like,
Speaker 1: now the mating call of a yack yack, this is
Speaker 1: the now the mating call. So this is, yeah, an
Speaker 1: access to roar sounds something like this. It's ah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of shrill, but hey and and seen. So for
Speaker 1: all of you listening, you're welcome. Yeah, I've been practicing
Speaker 1: all week. Pull over your car. We're gonna do it again.
Speaker 1: So that's uh the same. Actually tried that last night
Speaker 1: to no avail. The problem is I got a little
Speaker 1: bit nerve us, and so it didn't sound nearly as
Speaker 1: like calm stage friend. So it's okay to do around us,
Speaker 1: but not around actual deer. I had a little, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a little too much growl into it, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden that all I heard was
Speaker 1: stuff running through the bushes, and I thought stuff was
Speaker 1: like running in No. I just scared that you thought
Speaker 1: you were roar brought in a deer you never know alive. Yes,
Speaker 1: I thought I was that good for So those are
Speaker 1: the sounds. That's the deer. I mean, the deer brings
Speaker 1: a lot to the table. I mean I have more
Speaker 1: respect now this week for access deer and what they
Speaker 1: are and in their place in this landscape. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of times you think about invasive species
Speaker 1: are non native species, and it's they almost remove a
Speaker 1: little bit of respect from it, you know. But in
Speaker 1: this case, I think Lanai has done a great job
Speaker 1: of just kind of embracing this animal. It doesn't really
Speaker 1: belong here, it's not from here, but they've they've done
Speaker 1: a good job of kind of like accepting it into
Speaker 1: their culture and bringing in and in house and like
Speaker 1: the access here is our deer, come hunt um where
Speaker 1: New Zealand is kind of a little bit of the
Speaker 1: little bit of the options. Yeah, they want to eradicate,
Speaker 1: they want to take them all out, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you go to a restaurant or anything here, it's
Speaker 1: access deer is always on the menu. So and that's
Speaker 1: why I think it's just culturally just appropriate the animal.
Speaker 1: If you've got you've got an animal that just is
Speaker 1: non native but is now pervasive place you live, why
Speaker 1: the fund wouldn't you just say keep it? Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: make it part of our thing. We're not gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of it. It's delicious, it's so good. That's the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we, you know, moving on on the trip.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dudley was bombing deer early in the week.
Speaker 1: We showed up. When by we I mean Sam myself,
Speaker 1: the green Trees and uh Willow and el choppo that's
Speaker 1: Spanish with the chopo. We're gonna we're gonna circle back
Speaker 1: to Will. Yeah, we'll get one of the best, probably
Speaker 1: one of the best hunters I've ever met, and a
Speaker 1: mysterious member of this tribe. Not a lot of people
Speaker 1: know Will own a lot of well known hunters here,
Speaker 1: and I think that's been by design on his part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be known. No, he's got a
Speaker 1: lot going on. He tunneled here under the ocean. But yes,
Speaker 1: Will uh oh, and we all landed. I wanted to
Speaker 1: just be here day a day early. Then some of
Speaker 1: the other folks getting in. But anyway, we went out
Speaker 1: that evening. I don't think we killed any deer that evening.
Speaker 1: Green tree kill one form now, um, but Adam and
Speaker 1: Kimmy were here, John and and Chassy were in one house,
Speaker 1: and then Shane and Will and myself we're in another
Speaker 1: house and Sam and we uh went after it like yeah,
Speaker 1: comes the next day, Rammy Warren comes the next day
Speaker 1: that we had a whole crew of people running around
Speaker 1: the landscape, slanging arrows every which direction. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: wild in a hurry. Shane broke this, broke the ice
Speaker 1: by shooting a buck. Literally the first first afternoon he
Speaker 1: flies in shoots a buck. And then that day I
Speaker 1: think green Tree killed two bucks. Uh, the next the
Speaker 1: next morning, next morning, I know Remy killed a buck
Speaker 1: his first night out. Yep Um, green Tree kills a
Speaker 1: couple of bucks. The next day, John Dudley keeps indiscriminately,
Speaker 1: just killing yeah, just killing all the deer. And next
Speaker 1: thing you know, we've got like deer on the ground
Speaker 1: and it's day three. And then Cam Haynes and Joe
Speaker 1: Uh couldn't make it for all the same days, but
Speaker 1: they rolled in on day three or four. Went, honey,
Speaker 1: we had the Joe the Joe Buck. Just immediately, oh
Speaker 1: that is that's somebody's name, Joe Buck. They got the answer,
Speaker 1: the Joe the Joe Buck. Joe drops his deer. And
Speaker 1: then that night we all got together at one of
Speaker 1: our houses here in town and had a hooting nanny.
Speaker 1: If if anybody watched any of Dudley's Instagram story that night,
Speaker 1: like the food tasted better than it looked it was,
Speaker 1: let's just bring that back. Tell us about tell us
Speaker 1: the story of Bob the Butcher, because you have talked
Speaker 1: to Bob. I haven't I have talked to Bob. Start
Speaker 1: us at the beginning. Tell the story, So Bob the Butcher,
Speaker 1: er noise, I'll make the roar to start the story,
Speaker 1: and then I'll end it with a roar with a bark.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna do that. So Bob the Butcher, Our,
Speaker 1: how it's great. The house we rented is like see
Speaker 1: it like about sixty yards away is Bob the Butcher.
Speaker 1: So Bob was born and raised in Hawaii. I don't
Speaker 1: believe on Lena, but he has lived on Lanai for
Speaker 1: quite a while now and he tells everybody's like, I'm
Speaker 1: hungry person. So I knew I needed to get better
Speaker 1: at cooking and cleaning game. And so he just has
Speaker 1: taken it to the next level. And so he's a
Speaker 1: in the name, clearly a butcher. But you can bring
Speaker 1: your dear to him. He hangs it, skins it, lets
Speaker 1: it cool for a second, and then starts breaking it down.
Speaker 1: And the cuts that he does, I mean he does
Speaker 1: a the rib roast is the most amazing thing to me.
Speaker 1: So it's you've got the backstraps, the run all the
Speaker 1: way down the deer and then he keeps the ribs
Speaker 1: attached to that part, basically short ribs that yeah, short ribs,
Speaker 1: cuts them off and you have like a frenched out.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you would call that at
Speaker 1: this point because we don't do it's not a predominant thing,
Speaker 1: and you don't see it very often. You see it's
Speaker 1: some it's starting to be some people are starting to do.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of extra effort. Yeah, for what I
Speaker 1: would say is a better result, but it's just something
Speaker 1: new that I've never seen. And you get eat backstrap
Speaker 1: on the bone, which you never you don't do, just
Speaker 1: don't do. So if he does that cut and then
Speaker 1: it's you know, shoulders and hams and everything, and it's
Speaker 1: all hung up and he lets it age for a
Speaker 1: bit and cools it and then he vacuum steals everything
Speaker 1: and if you want, you can do like Kobe style beef,
Speaker 1: ground beef like brown venison and make burgers that we
Speaker 1: had that. I mean, everything that he does is taking
Speaker 1: one step further than most people are going to go through.
Speaker 1: You know, do we have the Bob the Butcher paper? Hey, will,
Speaker 1: can you bring over Bob the Butcher? Now, Bob the
Speaker 1: Butcher has a great logo. Will's holding up the T
Speaker 1: shirt just says, just gut it. I'm not funking with you.
Speaker 1: It says, just hold that up again. So and it's
Speaker 1: got like a blood streak in the middle. In the middle.
Speaker 1: Gotcher is the best. Bob the Butcher, Lani, Hawaii. If
Speaker 1: you want to call him. His numbers eight oh eight
Speaker 1: five six five two. Now, if you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: call Bob and just say, just give him a shout out.
Speaker 1: But like, hey, Bob, just heard on the podcast. You're
Speaker 1: a badass. Keep keep it up. So the other thing
Speaker 1: he does so well, can you get it? It's over here,
Speaker 1: I think, on the table. So he goes through this
Speaker 1: full process of cutting all your meat, like into these
Speaker 1: amazing cuts, and then he prepares your hide, he prepares
Speaker 1: the head, and then he calls your taxidermist to ask
Speaker 1: what the way that they like the cape and everything
Speaker 1: ready for them, and so like he you know, he's
Speaker 1: called tax roomers all over the world. But it's just
Speaker 1: it's everything that he does is that next level, like
Speaker 1: just taking care of your meat and animal? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean this guy and he gives you a little print outs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's been bringing over snacks for us. I mean yesterday,
Speaker 1: I was sitting over there. I was shooting photos of
Speaker 1: of in the butcher's shop and what they were up to,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he came out with venice
Speaker 1: and meat loaf and avocado and rice, and I would
Speaker 1: move in look with all the deer we shot. We
Speaker 1: were talking about we're probably gonna be building him a
Speaker 1: new Yeah, when the invoice comes, he's gonna build a
Speaker 1: new wing on Bob the butcher shop. But Bob has
Speaker 1: been doing this for a while. But he, uh, he
Speaker 1: used to live. He was telling me he lived on
Speaker 1: him and his wife to combine, lived on twenty hundred
Speaker 1: bucks a year. And so they go either catch or
Speaker 1: kill all their food. And then they were doing like
Speaker 1: a few they were cleaning some animals at the same time.
Speaker 1: He was a guide right before the Pineapple Brothers could
Speaker 1: have had this operation. He was a guy. But here's
Speaker 1: like he gives I'm gonna read all this. It'll be
Speaker 1: super boring for some people, but I'm just gonna read
Speaker 1: it all because I think it. He just gives you
Speaker 1: a print out, says Bob. The butcher cooking method for
Speaker 1: each cut there's like a team cuts on tender loins,
Speaker 1: pans s here medium high heat, best served rare to
Speaker 1: medium rare. Of course, rip rack pants here on medium
Speaker 1: high heat, finish an oven best served rare, medium rare.
Speaker 1: Gets you to go down and like everyone, what about
Speaker 1: neck roast? Oh yeah, neck roast braised with liquid, low
Speaker 1: and slow until tender sirloin tip ground or braised with
Speaker 1: liquid or stewed. I mean, it's just this goes on
Speaker 1: and on. It'll just much of the same. But I mean,
Speaker 1: he just he's got to dial in. And not only
Speaker 1: is it just a great personality, but he adds so
Speaker 1: much to a trip like this that you have that
Speaker 1: opportunity to not only eat some of the best venison
Speaker 1: on the planet, but to have it prepared by somebody
Speaker 1: who is truly a craftsman. It's truly cares and understands
Speaker 1: not only the animal but the muscle groups and how
Speaker 1: to cut it and present it and wrap it and
Speaker 1: vacuum seal it and label it and ship it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is it is pretty astounding. I think one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things about Bob is he'll tell you exactly
Speaker 1: what you did wrong when field dressing your animal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got Yeah, he's got it pretty he's got he's
Speaker 1: got the guides at Pineapple, Rolla's trained pretty well as
Speaker 1: to what to do. But no, and then yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's amazing because last year we didn't use him and
Speaker 1: we you know, we trimmed up all the meat and
Speaker 1: everything ourselves. But it's just you know, so we went
Speaker 1: home with it was like Ben O'Brien the butcher, not right,
Speaker 1: the same level of detail as Bob the Butcher, b
Speaker 1: o b. Yeah, I just like stick knife in it.
Speaker 1: Pet there's no bone, there's a trunk off of their
Speaker 1: what part of the deer is. Yeah. Last year we
Speaker 1: had like a condo on a golf course and we
Speaker 1: just the kitchen looked like that's why we didn't get
Speaker 1: invited back. Yeah, we did not get invited back to
Speaker 1: the condo because I tried my best to clean that up,
Speaker 1: but it was it was you just can't put six
Speaker 1: acts here to freeze that a gondo they expect things
Speaker 1: to go well. Yeah, we didn't have any baking soda.
Speaker 1: We just to clean it. It just does not good
Speaker 1: for anybody. But hey, it's it's all about getting better.
Speaker 1: That's what life, life's about. But yeah, Bob the Butcher
Speaker 1: was a highlight of the trip. And if you come
Speaker 1: to one Eye and you kill a deer, do not
Speaker 1: do anything with it other than take it to Bapa Butcher,
Speaker 1: because it just it just takes he So we're taking
Speaker 1: all our meat home and in eight or nine giant
Speaker 1: yettie hoppers, and it's all vacuum sealed already. Is it
Speaker 1: all frozen? Most of it's hard frozen. Most of it's
Speaker 1: hard frozen, so we don't really need the coolers, which
Speaker 1: you know, sorry Eddie, but but it doesn't hurt. It'll
Speaker 1: keep them frozen. Fenya kise you get lost on the airline.
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, it's just next level stuff.
Speaker 1: And then when you come here that's you. Maybe you
Speaker 1: shoot a buck early and you showed a big buck, Sam,
Speaker 1: but then you can start thinking about just the meat
Speaker 1: piece of it. How much meat am I gonna have home?
Speaker 1: And then it really is something different to share with
Speaker 1: your family and friends. And you know, back to our
Speaker 1: little event there the other night with Dudley cooking, I
Speaker 1: mean he cooked tenderloin with balsamic reduction, and there was
Speaker 1: other stuff like rosemary and go, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was, but we'd have to have a lot going on.
Speaker 1: But when he did those tomahawk chops, tomahawk chops, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was melting your mouth unbelievable. And he did he
Speaker 1: he cooked it first on the trigger and then and
Speaker 1: then cut it and then he seared both sides that
Speaker 1: and then went hand it to you. Oh, it was
Speaker 1: like they melted and the burgers out of that prime
Speaker 1: like that prime's like hallapenos and bacon and cheese, get
Speaker 1: out of my life. Unbelievable. But that was one There's
Speaker 1: certain points I think in trips like this, and you know,
Speaker 1: Suffice say, Sam knows, and I know, and everybody knows,
Speaker 1: like we're lucky to not only have these experiences, you know,
Speaker 1: with the the animal and the place and the people
Speaker 1: that are here, but just to call this in some
Speaker 1: way of profession is unbelievable. And there's moments where you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta stop and look at the big picture, Like
Speaker 1: a couple of times this week I did. And one
Speaker 1: of the times, as I was sitting at a table
Speaker 1: with Joe Rogan and Cam Haines and Remy Warren and
Speaker 1: just laughing and eating the best meat in the world,
Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking, I'm not sure I can improve
Speaker 1: upon this any Like we may have peaked too early
Speaker 1: and only thirty two, Like where do you go? Where
Speaker 1: do I go from here? But I think that's that's
Speaker 1: the feeling that I got from from that one night. Now,
Speaker 1: we were also spread out in this trip and people
Speaker 1: were coming to go and everybody's so intent and enjoying
Speaker 1: hunting that you don't ever really get to stop and
Speaker 1: kind of be together like that. Yeah. Um, but we
Speaker 1: were that night and it was awesome. Yea, And it
Speaker 1: was great. I think we did a couple of things
Speaker 1: this trip that really made it. It It was the dinner
Speaker 1: with everybody, and then we actually stopped for a minute
Speaker 1: to take a group photo. Yeah. I caught a lot
Speaker 1: of flak for that, Yeah, but I hadn't made them
Speaker 1: all do it. Yeah, but it was so worth it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's always one of those shots like it's you know,
Speaker 1: like that used to be the shot that was the
Speaker 1: photo you get you get whatever, you know, a trophy photo,
Speaker 1: a gripping grand from whatever you shot, and then a
Speaker 1: group photo of who you were with, And those were
Speaker 1: like the two photos you came home with from a
Speaker 1: hunting trip. Yeah. No, If I would to put together
Speaker 1: like group shots of Hans I've been on in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, I would. It might made me cry. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: it's that intense for me. You know, I find even
Speaker 1: with the podcast, man like engaging with people that I
Speaker 1: care about, what I care about that I like a
Speaker 1: lot and respect a lot is like a drug to me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes even hunting alone and I'm like, this is really great,
Speaker 1: But I'm a talker and a bullshitter and I'd much
Speaker 1: rather be I'd much rather be doing that. That's probably
Speaker 1: a detriment to my like solo hunting career, but probably
Speaker 1: never get invite on solo hunter for that reason. But
Speaker 1: shut up. But I that just that stuff just me.
Speaker 1: It's like a fucking high for me. Well, I love it.
Speaker 1: I think Remy said it best, like he posted that
Speaker 1: group shot today and in his caption you know of
Speaker 1: what of what? Yeah, those are perfect. Will we'll talk
Speaker 1: about El Choppo. We're gonna close the show with the
Speaker 1: l Choppo stories. But El Choppo has found what looks
Speaker 1: to be the tiniest binoculars ever and he's now he's
Speaker 1: drinking champagne. It's like ten thirty in the a m.
Speaker 1: He's drinking the champagne. No, but what I was saying
Speaker 1: is I think Remy said it said it right, was
Speaker 1: you have a group of people who are you know
Speaker 1: some it's like some of the best hunters in the
Speaker 1: industry and have made a name for themselves. And let
Speaker 1: me say, let me stop you there out like I
Speaker 1: wanted you to do. When we say best hunters in industry,
Speaker 1: I've been around a lot of them. You've been around
Speaker 1: a lot of them. People that make their money on
Speaker 1: saying I'm a good hunter, or make their money on
Speaker 1: being hunters or in the community. These are the best ones,
Speaker 1: Like they are the best ones. We've seen it over
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. Yeah, it's it's amazing to
Speaker 1: watch them in the field and do what they do.
Speaker 1: It's it's Tiger Woods hitting golf ball, Remy Warren, Adam
Speaker 1: green Tree, like John Dudley, that's Tiger Woods in the
Speaker 1: golf ball. Like they do things produce results that just
Speaker 1: people don't do. And so Cam in the same way.
Speaker 1: Cam Haynes dropped the eighties six year bomb on the
Speaker 1: buck last night. Mom still problem. He didn't probably Mom
Speaker 1: City like I did Loser, But I mean Remy, I
Speaker 1: think Remy said it best when he, like all of us,
Speaker 1: anybody involved, came from very different background, but we're all
Speaker 1: together because we all love the act like hunting itself,
Speaker 1: and that's why we're all here. Yeah. No, And I
Speaker 1: think that just goes back to it's hard to parse out,
Speaker 1: like the personality you see you on the internet. I
Speaker 1: think that I'm glad why a lot of people have
Speaker 1: podcasts nowadays, because you can just really hear them talk
Speaker 1: and they have them in your ears and understand who
Speaker 1: they are. Um. But being around somebody in those intense
Speaker 1: situations and it's it shows you really everybody bonds together
Speaker 1: on the same types of feelings you kind of. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm from the East Coast. I'm I hunted as a
Speaker 1: kid of a writer. I work at a cooler company
Speaker 1: like you got you know, a legendary bow hunter from Oregon.
Speaker 1: You have a fucking celebrity podcast actor, you know, commentator
Speaker 1: from from Boston by way of California. Uh, I mean
Speaker 1: you have a guy that lives in a busy You
Speaker 1: have a pro surfer. Yeah, I mean you have a
Speaker 1: guy out a Nevada who is a hunting guide you have?
Speaker 1: You know so much from Australia, who's you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, pretty foreign to the up to
Speaker 1: our community, you know, but now it's pretty pretty dialed
Speaker 1: in and close. So those things all come together and um,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of ways. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: maybe if they were all in the room right now,
Speaker 1: but to capture the energy of that that evening that night.
Speaker 1: Of course, everybody has got their phones out there in
Speaker 1: their stories. I think that might take away from it
Speaker 1: a little bit, but that's everybody's jobs, and everybody just
Speaker 1: wants to share that energy with people and hopefully people
Speaker 1: who followed along on whatever who's ever social. We tried
Speaker 1: to make sure everybody was updating, so it seemed as
Speaker 1: frantic as it actually was real time. But um, hopefully
Speaker 1: you felt some of that energy, um, and some of
Speaker 1: the passion that these people have for for this thing
Speaker 1: and that regardless of success or failure or whatever, because
Speaker 1: those things are nebulous. They happen like you succeed, you fail,
Speaker 1: you succeeds, you fail, you sees you fail. And you know,
Speaker 1: guys like Remy and green Tree, you have found formulas
Speaker 1: whereas they succeed more than other people. But I think, um,
Speaker 1: hopefully that stuff comes through. And I would say, just
Speaker 1: as a way of of addressing anyone who would qualify
Speaker 1: as a hater, that I'm I try. I would be
Speaker 1: objective in this situation and then say that these are
Speaker 1: good people, like these are people that you know, whatever
Speaker 1: you don't. You may not agree with what they might
Speaker 1: post or what they might say, or a stance on
Speaker 1: this or a way they present themselves on the internet,
Speaker 1: like really getting to know these people. They're good, Yeah
Speaker 1: they're good. Yeah they're not all perfect, but they're not.
Speaker 1: None of us are. So I will get off my soapbox.
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's I feel like in a
Speaker 1: bunch of people, notable people get together like that. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it can seem, you know, on the surface, it seems
Speaker 1: a surface, but yeah, but being here and it's just
Speaker 1: a different feeling. I think, does any of that make sense? Same?
Speaker 1: I think in your ramp rambling, I think you got
Speaker 1: the point across good. I was gonna pull a line
Speaker 1: from Billy Billy Madison. Nowhere, rambling, did you make any
Speaker 1: sense whatsoever? We are all now dumber because of it
Speaker 1: may God you are awarded zero points. Oh, may God
Speaker 1: have mercy on your soul. The anyway, Yeah, that I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that's I think that was important
Speaker 1: to Yeah, And I think because it could seem like
Speaker 1: it's a you know, some sort of a PR stunt
Speaker 1: or whatever, but it's it was really just a group
Speaker 1: of people that wanted to get together hunt together well,
Speaker 1: and you could do a lot of times people do
Speaker 1: films and everybody on this trip out a podcast. All
Speaker 1: of us that podcasts and all of us have those things. What. Um,
Speaker 1: what I was happy to do with something like this
Speaker 1: is just see people throwing their stuff out to the
Speaker 1: world as they wanted to, without having to have a
Speaker 1: cameraman behind them or force somebody to do a podcast
Speaker 1: or um. Because I think being together and being excited
Speaker 1: and comes out. Man, it just comes out and people naturally. Um.
Speaker 1: So sorry for everybody that wanted there to be a film,
Speaker 1: but I just don't. I feel like that's it's also
Speaker 1: edited and so contrived that if you followed along you
Speaker 1: got it. Hopefully you got it because it was pretty
Speaker 1: It would be I mean it would it wouldn't be impossible,
Speaker 1: but it would be hard to pull off like a
Speaker 1: film like with without having a camera for each person,
Speaker 1: and then it just it just changes the dynamic, it
Speaker 1: really does, and something like this. But that was the
Speaker 1: I mean we ended up. You know, we had that dinner.
Speaker 1: It was it was fantastic. And then the next and
Speaker 1: we got after it. I mean Cam killed a buck
Speaker 1: last night, our boil Chopo killed a buck last night.
Speaker 1: Everybody on the hunt killed one except for me. Uh,
Speaker 1: Sammy killed one. Samy killed a giant thirty two insure
Speaker 1: and the Sam flat in the Sam flash he kills
Speaker 1: a buck there every year, just nonchalantly walks over there
Speaker 1: and wax a giant and go um got a lot
Speaker 1: of cool content and just laughed. All right, yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of it's not for air. Can't be for air.
Speaker 1: But you know, and in a way of a recap,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. I mean, it wasn't a deer count.
Speaker 1: We never came back and like compared Antler side his work,
Speaker 1: talked about who killed what it was, just like tell
Speaker 1: me about your stock and tell me about this. I
Speaker 1: mean Cam and Joe or no, Cam and Joe, Um,
Speaker 1: Joe and Dud had a deal the other night where
Speaker 1: they were crawling up on a buck and they made
Speaker 1: the final stock. And for some reason, Dudley had wanted
Speaker 1: to shoot a deer that was having sex with another deer.
Speaker 1: So I think that was actually green Tree that wanted tree.
Speaker 1: But Dudley has been in on two of those now,
Speaker 1: so you know, access to your spasmodic. They shed and
Speaker 1: and and rut in different times of the year, so
Speaker 1: you'll see all forms of like gestation, like tiny little fawns,
Speaker 1: you know, six month old fawns, rutting, fighting, velvet stripping,
Speaker 1: all at the same time. And so Dudley had seen
Speaker 1: a couple of bucks breeding. Does I don't think he
Speaker 1: shot any of them that were No we got in
Speaker 1: on him, but Joe and and he got on with
Speaker 1: Joe yesterday they were finishing off the stock and a
Speaker 1: feral cat as this buck was breeding a dough. Feral
Speaker 1: cat ran between the legs of the sex couple and
Speaker 1: they lay ran away. They were thirty yards from a
Speaker 1: buck that was mounted on a dough and a cat
Speaker 1: messed up. I think, I mean, honestly, it was revenge
Speaker 1: of the cat Lady. Yeah, the cat lady. Going back
Speaker 1: to last year, John Dudley invented a drink is a
Speaker 1: terrible alcohol off. Let's we should probably have some sort
Speaker 1: of intervention, but he's fun, so we let it happen. Ah.
Speaker 1: He put you can have to walk with tequila, tequila,
Speaker 1: red wine, and red bull into a cup. Ye, and
Speaker 1: then drank it and he named it the cat And
Speaker 1: he named it the Cat Lady, probably based on the
Speaker 1: fact that no one would ever talk to him again
Speaker 1: after he drank it. Uh. That so that became people
Speaker 1: started making those and linking up after last year, um
Speaker 1: as well as Uh, Joe and Dudley got into a
Speaker 1: drunken fight about Wesley Walls the Fighter, whether or not
Speaker 1: he had actually fought Tank Abbott. That's something. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like a half hour conversation. So then people
Speaker 1: started doing like Wesley Walls Instagram account strolling this ship
Speaker 1: out of everybody, which was fantastic. Thanks for those guys
Speaker 1: who did that. Um, but we've had some We've had
Speaker 1: some cool stuff happened on this trip. I mean everybody's
Speaker 1: been in on countless stocks. Oh yeah, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: countless deer. Yeah, it's just I mean, can you imagine.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking about it while we were talking
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, there's so many deer, and we
Speaker 1: shot a lot of deer this week, but could you
Speaker 1: imagine if the population density was, you know, like a
Speaker 1: normal place trying to sneak in like if you know, like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's thirty deer that live in that pat you know
Speaker 1: that one big flat or whatever, like trying to do
Speaker 1: like a single stock on a buck and then feel
Speaker 1: so terrible. Yeah, like the success rate would not be
Speaker 1: even close. No yeah, no, um no, it wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: And that's just what makes this different. You can go out.
Speaker 1: Shane Dorian is pretty famous for being just like give
Speaker 1: me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, I'll see you
Speaker 1: in three days, and he just crawls on his belly
Speaker 1: until a deer is close enough. It takes eight hours, fine,
Speaker 1: if it takes sixteen, no big problems there. And last year, Shane,
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't kill anything for three days and
Speaker 1: then he killed in the evening of the fourth day,
Speaker 1: and then two on the last day. But it was
Speaker 1: and then this year he just came out swinging, swinging,
Speaker 1: just drop big bucks like it was his job. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think those things, those things happen you know,
Speaker 1: people get I have good days, bad days and whatever.
Speaker 1: But you know, the big part for me was trying
Speaker 1: to realize, like some days I didn't even think about
Speaker 1: the big picture where I was, who I was with.
Speaker 1: It was logistics in the morning, it was stalking deer
Speaker 1: all day. It was getting people picked up, it was
Speaker 1: getting dinner for the evening, and then it was going
Speaker 1: to sleep. And if you could make it through that
Speaker 1: without without crashing, it was a good day. Maybe get
Speaker 1: a deer, whatever's fine. But there's moments where you have
Speaker 1: to stop and be like, wait a minute, um, I
Speaker 1: just what you know? You're in Hawaii? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: yesterday Ramy and I were tracking a buck that he
Speaker 1: hit and killed, and him and I just kind of
Speaker 1: paused a little bit, and there was we were by
Speaker 1: the coast and could see out in the ocean. It
Speaker 1: could see MAUI crossed the way and I just sat
Speaker 1: down on the hill and was looked out there like wow, Like,
Speaker 1: if I waste the rest of this day, I paste.
Speaker 1: But if I use the rest of this day to
Speaker 1: think about killing deer, I've wasted some minutes of it.
Speaker 1: Because what's really important. But then you think, you know,
Speaker 1: what really makes you a successful hunter if you don't
Speaker 1: give a shit about anything else but killing deer. Right,
Speaker 1: that's probably why I've killed zero and Remmy killed five
Speaker 1: and it's gone and left. So it just goes to
Speaker 1: show you. I mean, there's a lot of people that
Speaker 1: claim to be really good at hunting or present themselves
Speaker 1: in such a way, but um, no, no one that
Speaker 1: I know, very few that I know, could do what
Speaker 1: Remy did, or do what Adam did, or do what
Speaker 1: Shane did. Very few in a short period of time,
Speaker 1: in a short period time, very few, Dudley camp same.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just let a bunch of savages loose
Speaker 1: in giant heard deer. Let's see what happens, see what
Speaker 1: happened next. And that brings me to the story of
Speaker 1: El Chapo. Where do we begin? There's nowhere, Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of mystery. I don't even know where El
Speaker 1: Chappo is from. I work with him, like he's from Houston,
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere in the suburbs of Houston, north of Galveston,
Speaker 1: south of fun who cares you know? And he's just
Speaker 1: El Choppa. Now. El Chapo is a ripe old twenty
Speaker 1: six years of age. Ah, he's a native Texan and
Speaker 1: a bit. He's kind of like my consiliary. He's like
Speaker 1: the Robert de vall to my godfather. Well's what was
Speaker 1: his character whatever, he's I'm Marlon Brando and he is
Speaker 1: I'm actually not Marlon Brando, but he's definitely Robert Duval
Speaker 1: and he takes care of lot. He just takes care
Speaker 1: of ye and laughs at all the dumb ship that
Speaker 1: I do in appropriate times. And um, before he worked
Speaker 1: at Yetti, I don't know what he did, but he
Speaker 1: may have, you know. I think he's saying he went
Speaker 1: to college. I don't believe that. No. I think he
Speaker 1: may have been like a drug runner on the coast
Speaker 1: or something. He was running. He had owned. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was the top guy at some big ring of right
Speaker 1: and then now we did he worked in shipping, shipping. Yes,
Speaker 1: he flew a plane. He did tourism. Now, if you
Speaker 1: look at the photo of all of us from this trip,
Speaker 1: the one that Remy posted in a camp posted everybody posted,
Speaker 1: there's one man there that you might not shrouded in mystery,
Speaker 1: and it's El Choppo. That's El Chapo, and there's no
Speaker 1: you don't need to hold know a whole lot of els.
Speaker 1: And the reason we call him El Choppo is as
Speaker 1: mysterious as El Choppo himself because nobody knows. I mean,
Speaker 1: he looks like a young and he's got a ponytail.
Speaker 1: He's got a flowing black mane of hair, kind of
Speaker 1: like an Arabian horse or something like that. That's what
Speaker 1: it is. He's he's kind of got the hair like
Speaker 1: who is the guy who played for the Steelers? Oh,
Speaker 1: Troy Polama. He's kind of got a Troy polamla to
Speaker 1: do and a beard, patchy beard, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: he's a stout fellow. But he's there in the picture
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people were wondering who
Speaker 1: is this person and why? Yeah, and at that point
Speaker 1: of the group picture, he had not he had not killed.
Speaker 1: Now l Chopo's you know, it's a fair you know,
Speaker 1: he's got shipped together, like he knows what he's doing now.
Speaker 1: And he hunted a lot with me this week we
Speaker 1: had married failures. Ah, he was probably following me around
Speaker 1: going what the fuck he's this guy did? But finally,
Speaker 1: like a day and a half ago, we let El
Speaker 1: Choppo loose on his own to go Ferrell and just
Speaker 1: get it done. Like he just became part of the landscape.
Speaker 1: And now he's gone forever to the island of I
Speaker 1: thought maybe we'd never see him again, live under a
Speaker 1: lantana bush for the next three years. But two days
Speaker 1: ago El Choppo kind of started going on his own,
Speaker 1: stalking up deer and he would just be I don't
Speaker 1: know that El chop is a big fan of the
Speaker 1: belly crawl because it seems like it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: She's more of a crouchwalker, you know. That led to
Speaker 1: a lot of spookings, I believe, but eventually a lot
Speaker 1: of yeah, a lot of that, not a lot of roars,
Speaker 1: a lot of spooks. But eventually he got it, got
Speaker 1: on it, and yesterday we were leaving for the evening hunt.
Speaker 1: Sam and I were going to hunt together, whereas I
Speaker 1: would shoot at all the dose and they would duck
Speaker 1: the arrows. But El Chapo was going by himself and
Speaker 1: he had perfected He had his system die. He had
Speaker 1: perfected the El Chopo dear killing system, which goes something
Speaker 1: like this. He's had about seven grand where the sick
Speaker 1: clothes on. Yep, he had sitka pants in the new
Speaker 1: Subalpine newer subalpine. There were the Apex pants I believe,
Speaker 1: or the Ascent. He had a cent shirt on and
Speaker 1: uh an undergarment of Sitka as well synthetic undergarment from
Speaker 1: the Ascent line. He was wearing a Sitca hat and
Speaker 1: his his mane of hair was flowing from beneath it,
Speaker 1: and he was and he had the sidekick had the
Speaker 1: YETI sidekick dry as wearing as a Fannie pack to
Speaker 1: keep all his sundry items in there. And and finally,
Speaker 1: and finally, he was wearing a pair of like dad's
Speaker 1: socks that he clearly got it call his dad got
Speaker 1: it cols in like the with the real aggressive threads
Speaker 1: on the fucking leg part. And he he was wearing those.
Speaker 1: I think he had his Sitkam pants tucked into those,
Speaker 1: and they were just jet white. And he was going
Speaker 1: to hunt like that because but you were too loud.
Speaker 1: He didn't even bring his shoes, he said, it didn't
Speaker 1: even bring him. He was the last day and a half.
Speaker 1: I've done his tie my shoes in my belt. I
Speaker 1: don't need him. He walked out of the house. He
Speaker 1: walked out of the house with a beer in one hand.
Speaker 1: A bow and the bow and the other and his
Speaker 1: sicka pants tucked into his white tubes, white tube socks.
Speaker 1: And that is definitely that is a memory that will
Speaker 1: be in flow. There was just like crazy loose hairs
Speaker 1: sticking out of this hat, just go in every direction.
Speaker 1: And he just didn't give a ship. You know how
Speaker 1: you've been hunting for five days and not killed something,
Speaker 1: and you give zero fox now and we'll just reach
Speaker 1: that point the best of us. We got out there.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't have my phone. I'll see you
Speaker 1: at the road and just disappeared, just just disappearing tanical garden.
Speaker 1: It's never to be seen. And then we tried to
Speaker 1: find him on the road. We went hunting and failed.
Speaker 1: I failed, and uh I went back to find him
Speaker 1: on the road and he was gone. He was not there,
Speaker 1: and we were a bit worried. We thought maybe he
Speaker 1: had ah taken up the herd, gone north. But then
Speaker 1: we got a text from someone else's phone, from John
Speaker 1: Dudley's phone and said, hey, it's Will I killed a buck.
Speaker 1: I am I'm with the guys. And then we knew
Speaker 1: that El Chapos rain had begun and he shoots this
Speaker 1: buck at like thirty yards and that was five days
Speaker 1: of effort all culminated. And that wasn't the end of it.
Speaker 1: He then shoulder slings it. So let's talk about what
Speaker 1: was it? Called it duffle button. Duffle button yeah aa,
Speaker 1: green Tree lots to do something called duffle button. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you cut the hole in the back legs where
Speaker 1: you would hang it, and then in the front legs
Speaker 1: you cut him at the joint and then you peel
Speaker 1: the tendin back a little bit, and then you can
Speaker 1: slide part of the front leg through the hole in
Speaker 1: the back leg and now you've got a basically put
Speaker 1: it on like a backpack. So I had explained this
Speaker 1: very briefly, not in depth at all, to El Choppo
Speaker 1: in the morning after green Tree had done it, and
Speaker 1: the chop was he was intrigued, ye, and he decided
Speaker 1: to try it. It did not go well. It ended
Speaker 1: up he just threw the deer over his shoulder and
Speaker 1: walked like a mile in his white sox just to
Speaker 1: the road. Can you imagine he got there and Alec,
Speaker 1: the guy goes, why didn't you just leave it there?
Speaker 1: I could have driven to it, and his Fannie, his
Speaker 1: yetty sidekick Fanny Pack was covered in blood, just covered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just I mean, can you imagine that. It
Speaker 1: was like a scene from like black Hawk Down or something.
Speaker 1: He was carrying out one of his comrades but apparently
Speaker 1: shots his deer three yards and just dropped in his tracks.
Speaker 1: Probably because it's all his thick look in his eyes.
Speaker 1: I just can't go any further. Oh that's perfect. But
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's all chopo for you. I mean
Speaker 1: he's he's an animal, yep, animal, And I mean he
Speaker 1: has a lady friend and so unfortunately unfortunately's not single.
Speaker 1: But if he was, hopefully this would rev the engine
Speaker 1: on that. So that's that's that's the chop for you.
Speaker 1: And that and he's gonna bring home meat to his
Speaker 1: family just just based on his whole hopper full of
Speaker 1: deer meat. Yeah, it's based on his giving zero fox yesterday.
Speaker 1: I just got it done. And that least that brings
Speaker 1: me to me. Now I am a hunter sorts. I've
Speaker 1: been doing it for a couple of decades there a while.
Speaker 1: While I other people have killed half a dozen deer
Speaker 1: during this trip, I have killed zero. Dear. I've had
Speaker 1: some rough luck this week. Man. Now, just cut it
Speaker 1: to me straight, Sam, just bring it to bring the
Speaker 1: real story. Am I terrible? No? No, you has has
Speaker 1: go wrong? But have I been just not on my game?
Speaker 1: Do you feel? I don't know, it could be it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you weren't mentally sink it's true, it's what do
Speaker 1: you think? El Choppa says, I should just let loose.
Speaker 1: He said, put you take your shoes off, let the
Speaker 1: juice loose, drinking on the Pacific co and get back
Speaker 1: out there. Let's juice loose. Now we do have the
Speaker 1: rest of today, so maybe maybe I'll get one, but
Speaker 1: then you can add that in in the the final
Speaker 1: for the final, like Happitus. I got one. But I've
Speaker 1: had like deer, I've had multiple bucks, probably five bucks
Speaker 1: that I wanted to shoot within twenty yards, and each
Speaker 1: time that one was bedded and it crawled around a bush.
Speaker 1: One was bed and all I had to do was
Speaker 1: stand up and walk one step any of three directions
Speaker 1: that it would have died, and it walked straight away
Speaker 1: from me, covered up from bush. I had won this morning,
Speaker 1: come out of fort or five yards. My range finder
Speaker 1: wouldn't work. I had one the other morning. First morning,
Speaker 1: you had like fifteen yards that was just behind the bush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had one in fifteen yards. I could see it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's antlers are behind the thick bush I had.
Speaker 1: I had dear forty yards and had a little fawn
Speaker 1: hop up for like three ft in front of me
Speaker 1: and give me the this noise that one ah, and
Speaker 1: we we were making jokes. It might not be funny
Speaker 1: to the listeners, but it's funny to me. So they're
Speaker 1: fucking gonna hear it. Let's deal with it. So this dough,
Speaker 1: I'm stalking up these deer and this dode literally is
Speaker 1: feet away from me, and I'm crawling on my belly
Speaker 1: trying to get to this velvet buck, and this little
Speaker 1: fawn hops up and barks right in my face at
Speaker 1: three ft. And if anybody's ever seen Jurassic Park, there's
Speaker 1: a scene where the like the the British professional hunter
Speaker 1: gets killed by the raptors, and when the female raptor
Speaker 1: pops up to just take him out, he goes clever Girl.
Speaker 1: And when that hunts popped up in my head, I
Speaker 1: just put clever Girl and the hunt was over there
Speaker 1: and they all ran. And so I've had a mirriad
Speaker 1: the other day with Remy. Yesterday with Remy in the morning,
Speaker 1: I was like through ten ft from a bedded deer
Speaker 1: and I went to draw and tried to get him
Speaker 1: to stand up, and not only did he not stand up,
Speaker 1: he crawled. I saw where he did it. He crawled
Speaker 1: under the bush and put his antlers in the bush
Speaker 1: and then wrapped around the bush and laid there while
Speaker 1: I was ten feet away, just holding tight hold. I
Speaker 1: was making turkey gobbles I was doing, and he just
Speaker 1: held tight and then he waited and waited and burst
Speaker 1: out of there like a canon, and he was gone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not an easy species to go after,
Speaker 1: which just denotes the level of skill that we've got
Speaker 1: hanging around here at some level. What else do you
Speaker 1: want to say about this hunt, Sam, I feel like
Speaker 1: coming to the tail end of our I mean, there's
Speaker 1: not much more to say. I mean, it's just last
Speaker 1: year was a blast, and you never know, like how
Speaker 1: round two is gonna go, Like it could either be
Speaker 1: way better or it could be you know, like last
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, last year was all new and
Speaker 1: fun and exciting, and so it was all this, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you hype it up too much in your
Speaker 1: mind and then it turns out like it's not like
Speaker 1: that again. But it was way better this year, but
Speaker 1: it was last year even way better, way more fun,
Speaker 1: way more laughed, way more dear kill. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it was. It was great. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you know, the hunting community. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people followed along and have, you know, put some
Speaker 1: attention on our our efforts here this week. And I
Speaker 1: think what's important is that there's a bunch of people
Speaker 1: who are trying to represent everyone you know, and have
Speaker 1: been given a platform to do that. I think that's
Speaker 1: what's important to me, is that there's ree things. It's
Speaker 1: the platform, it's the people, and it's the message. Those
Speaker 1: are the things that are important to me. And reason
Speaker 1: why we put these hunts together is for that reason,
Speaker 1: because it elevates not only the message, but the people.
Speaker 1: And they already have the platform, which is social media
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I think that's what's important and hopefully
Speaker 1: um everyone can think about that they're hunting lives. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like, think about the people you hunt with, like
Speaker 1: are they making you better? Are they challenging you to
Speaker 1: be better? Are they challenging you to do things in
Speaker 1: a different way or or pushing you to be good? Thoughtful?
Speaker 1: And you know, like, what's your message to everyone else?
Speaker 1: If you choose to talk to everyone, you don't have to.
Speaker 1: You can go hunt and never say a word about it.
Speaker 1: But and then what plat what's the platform that you
Speaker 1: want to tell that story? And if you can think
Speaker 1: in those three ways and nothing, you're doing it right.
Speaker 1: And I think all the people that we find it
Speaker 1: with this week have figured that ship out in spades
Speaker 1: and we're all better for it. I would agree with that, agreed.
Speaker 1: Yea perfect look up el Chopo. I want you to
Speaker 1: all follow him. Everybody needs to follow him. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have a very exciting Instagram. Maybe this triple this will help.
Speaker 1: But it's mystery, Like the only the only because he
Speaker 1: didn't have his phone when he shot his deer. The
Speaker 1: only photo that he has is a screenshot that I
Speaker 1: took of his deer hanging in Bob the Butcher's shop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not only like it adds to the level of mystery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did he shoot a dear? It doesn't matter, there's no
Speaker 1: way to know I mean his Fannie packs covered in blood.
Speaker 1: That's good evidence. Do we need to give out his
Speaker 1: his handle? Yeah, we should do it. So it's at
Speaker 1: will Owe and nine two. His real name his El Choppo,
Speaker 1: but his fake stage name is will Owe, his pen
Speaker 1: name if you will. He was born in the year
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, which it makes me young man, a
Speaker 1: lot of room to a lot of room to grow.
Speaker 1: But forever will we'll be able to say he was
Speaker 1: the star of Lanai Part two. It really was. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you Samuel, thank you bye. So that's it, episode
Speaker 1: number thirteen in the books. Thanks for joining. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Sam for sitting in talking with me, helping to recap
Speaker 1: what was an epic trip in an epic place. Great people,
Speaker 1: great meat for the table stories. The last is quite
Speaker 1: a long time and and hopefully it'll all be encapsulated
Speaker 1: and a bunch of good content, a bunch of good
Speaker 1: photos that we're all able to share with you guys.
Speaker 1: Um if you want to hear see any of the
Speaker 1: content from the trip, you can check out some of
Speaker 1: Yetti's Instagram posts or any of the social media of
Speaker 1: any of the guys that were on the trip. It's
Speaker 1: should be pretty cool. You should be able to get
Speaker 1: a good idea of what it was like to be
Speaker 1: here and hunt this amazing place with these amazing people,
Speaker 1: and kind of what I would say is is one
Speaker 1: of the best hunting crews ever assembled, save for myself,
Speaker 1: because I didn't kill any deer. Unless I do right
Speaker 1: after I record this, then I'll tell you all about it.
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