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Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 1: with you and Senator it is always fun to be

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Speaker 1: able to do this show and talk to people that

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Speaker 1: are experts in certain areas. And a dear friend of

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Speaker 1: ours is going to be with us for this show,

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Speaker 1: and it's so important the timing when we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: such major issues on national security. We're dealing with what

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Speaker 1: happened with Hamas and Israel, what's happening now between Russia

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine, and also the intelligence failures that seem to

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Speaker 1: be happening on a daily basis at our southern border

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Speaker 1: with terrorists coming across our southern border. And I want

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Speaker 1: you to introduce to the audience our special guests.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is Thursday night, it is nine thirty eight

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Speaker 2: pm Pacific time, and I am out on the West coast.

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Speaker 2: I'm in La just landed not too long ago. Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: I'm going on Bill Maher. So that's going to be

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Speaker 2: wild and willy and should be fun. And so we

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Speaker 2: are doing a special podcast here tonight that'll come out

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning with your and my mutual friend Rick Grinell.

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Speaker 2: Now Rick Rick has had a storied career. He was

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Speaker 2: ambassador to Germany under Donald Trump. He was the special

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Speaker 2: the Special Presidential Envoy for Serbia and Kosovo for the

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Speaker 2: peace negotiations again under Trump. And and then he was

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Speaker 2: also the acting Director of National Intelligence under Trump, which

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Speaker 2: is an incredibly important and difficult job, and I think

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Speaker 2: he did an extraordinary job at it. And and so

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk a lot of foreign policy. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk a lot of challenges facing the world.

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Speaker 2: And and uh and and and Rick is a California native.

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Speaker 2: So so we are in La La Land together. Rick,

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Speaker 2: We welcome to Verdict. And welcome to Los Angeles. Senator,

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Speaker 2: thank you for coming all the way out here. It's

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Speaker 2: a long way, isn't it. It is a long way.

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Speaker 2: I flew from Dulles straight out here, and that that

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Speaker 2: is a long flight. It is longer than an iPad charge.

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Speaker 3: It's also for you East coast, you can think about

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Speaker 3: either flying to Europe or flying to California. It's about

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Speaker 3: the same amount of time.

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Speaker 2: You know. I got to say that may be the

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Speaker 2: cruelest thing anyone has ever said about me. You just

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Speaker 2: called me an East coaster. I'm in Texas and from Dulles,

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Speaker 2: but from DC.

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Speaker 1: On top of that, you couldn't be in Paris right now,

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Speaker 1: but instead you're in LA So it's like a double

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Speaker 1: whammy there.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, as you know, it's it's it's one of

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Speaker 2: my dirty little secrets that I have a soft spot

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Speaker 2: in my heart for California. I married Heidi, who was

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time out here, and it's

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Speaker 2: it is an absolutely gorgeous state that has been cursed

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Speaker 2: by idiot politicians.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And you know we we do not

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Speaker 3: have a US senator that represents us at all on

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Speaker 3: the conservative side, So you can be our senator.

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Speaker 2: I am proud to be. And a point I make offense.

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Speaker 2: So when I'm out here, regular people will will will

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Speaker 2: I am the only conservative in California. And they're almost

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Speaker 2: like they almost have like PTSD like they that they

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Speaker 2: And I tell them all the time, look, no you're not. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And a point that I make frequently, Uh, what state

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Speaker 2: has the most Republicans in it? Yeah, and the answer

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Speaker 2: is California by far. They're more Republicans in California than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's no question about that, and we're really

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Speaker 3: trying to get more. I have an organization called Fixed California,

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Speaker 3: Maybe they think that there's no way that they need

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Speaker 3: But we're trying to empower people to say, get off

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Speaker 2: Well. The hard thing also in California is even though

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly why we still arted fixed California is

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Speaker 3: we think it will pick up. We think then there'll

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Speaker 3: be a self fulfilling prophecy of hey, maybe I should vote,

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Speaker 2: Well, and Republicans certainly have been able to pick up

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Speaker 2: they're parts of California that are winnable, but they are

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Speaker 2: parts that are just irredeemably blue. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, we were trying, and we're so pleased to have

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Speaker 3: We really are so thankful when we get some superstars through.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be back. Rick.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question, and this goes

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Speaker 1: to some of the big breaking news that's happening right now,

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Speaker 1: and it deals with the massive intelligence failure. This is

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Speaker 1: your wheelhouse, obviously, being in the intelligence area and working

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Speaker 1: under the Trump administration. This reporting that's coming out is

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Speaker 1: shocking that photographers that were working for the Associated Press,

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Speaker 1: embedded with Hamas on ten to seven and accompany the

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Speaker 1: not just being involved in the attack, knowing the attack

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Speaker 1: such an intelligence failure. We didn't hear anything about this,

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Speaker 1: neither did Israel. How on earth did we get to

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Speaker 1: a point where we missed the boat? Israel missed the boat,

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Speaker 1: and yet these photographers working for APCNN, New York Times,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of great questions there. Let's start with

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Speaker 3: I actually don't believe that we didn't know that Iran

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Speaker 3: right now is we have too many people playing politics

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Speaker 3: that are analyzing the information. We have great collections process,

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Speaker 3: but the people who are writing the analytical work, who

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Speaker 3: those people are two partisan. And imagine if you had

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Speaker 3: we have within the intelligence community right now. My first

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Speaker 3: an expert on receiving intelligence as a public policy official

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Speaker 3: and knowing whether or not it's useful. Many times it's

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Speaker 3: not useful. I can't tell you how many. How do

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Speaker 3: you tell the difference in your experience, Well, first of all,

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Speaker 3: when the briefer tells you something and they say this

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Speaker 3: So we have an overclassification problem. A lot of the

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Speaker 3: would think, but still it's in the public domain somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I can think of a million examples during COVID where

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Speaker 3: you know, three months before. So we really do have

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Speaker 3: a problem. But what I found is the overclassification problem

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Speaker 3: you would see this is not something that should be classified.

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Speaker 3: We now have you know, the information that is unclassified

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Speaker 3: is supposed to be sensitive or not distributable. I do

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Speaker 3: So we need to be able to fix that system.

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Speaker 3: And some of that is just cycling people out so

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Speaker 2: Well, I will say, being a consumer of intelligence in

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Speaker 2: my experience very much comports with yours. That ninety plus

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Speaker 2: you can read in the newspaper you knew already, And frankly,

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Speaker 2: understand why it's classified. I mean, where there's sources and

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Speaker 2: But I do think there's a big overclassification problem because

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Speaker 2: it's a way to insulate the administration from criticism for

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Speaker 2: their foreign policy failure.

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Speaker 3: So there's also another problem that when we go to

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Speaker 3: on our thoughts about raw intelligence. What would be so

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Speaker 3: much better if we could trust the members of Congress

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Speaker 3: to keep it private, would be to give them some

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Speaker 3: you know, what do you think actually when you see this, that,

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Speaker 3: lowest common denominator of what so many intelligence agencies kind

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Speaker 3: what's going on, I think that that's where we need

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Speaker 3: to go. The other thing that I have to say

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Speaker 3: are the only ones that get briefed. If it's good

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Speaker 3: enough for the Gang of Eight, we should be briefing

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you one question, Ben asked, but to

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Speaker 2: go back, are you surprised that the Israelis didn't know

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Speaker 3: I actually believe that the United States and the Israelis,

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Speaker 2: Do you think there will be any reckoning, any accountability

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will say that there has been no

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Speaker 2: I think if Trump were still president, we would not

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Speaker 2: As you know, I put a hold on every State

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Speaker 3: Well, it was an absolute moment. You are exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Rick, I want to ask you a question about and

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Speaker 1: you talked about Anthony Blincoln in just the diminished role,

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Speaker 1: but when you look at these intelligent screw ups, and

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Speaker 1: you talked about how you were managing things when you

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Speaker 1: can't handle the job as being president, and they may

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Speaker 1: this administration because they don't know which way to run.

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Speaker 3: So I have a slightly different thought and belief about

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden because of my experience with him as the

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Speaker 3: head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He loves to

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Speaker 3: be loved, He likes to know all of the world leaders.

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Speaker 3: He wants the appla from all of them. He wants

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Speaker 3: the dude man bro moment with with world leaders. And

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Speaker 3: so when people come like Chancellor Merkele come and they

494
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Speaker 3: ask him to do something, he literally wants consensus with them.

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Speaker 3: He wants to be loved, he wants the Europeans to

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Speaker 3: like him. And so I have this great story of

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Speaker 3: you know, sitting across from Chancellor Merkle, who I actually

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Speaker 3: really liked and respected quite a bit, and you.

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Speaker 2: Were ambassador to Germany for three years a.

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Speaker 3: Little over two over two and I once in talking

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Speaker 3: to Chancellor Merkele about some subject. She said to me,

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Speaker 3: you know, Rick, one of the issues that I have

503
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Speaker 3: with your president is that I just don't know what

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Speaker 3: he's going to do. He's not predictable, and that creates

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Speaker 3: a lot of problems for US in Germany. And I

506
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Speaker 3: remember smiling and thinking, you know, don't smile too big,

507
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Speaker 3: be nice here. But I said, you know, Madam Chancellor,

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Speaker 3: with all due respect, this is exactly what I've been

509
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Speaker 3: waiting for for a president. It is really important that

510
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Speaker 3: you and others can't determine and predict what the US

511
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Speaker 3: president is going to do. That creates a credible threat

512
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Speaker 3: of military action. Not just a threat of military action,

513
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Speaker 3: but it's a credible one. And when it's credible, people

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Speaker 3: act differently.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, all right, So here's an interesting question. What's

516
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Speaker 2: the coolest part and the crappiest part of being an ambassador?

517
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Speaker 2: An ambassador to a major country. You know, Germany is

518
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Speaker 2: not some island down on the Caribbean. It is a

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Speaker 2: major world Power's what's the coolest and worst part about

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Speaker 2: that job?

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Speaker 3: I think the coolest moment that I had I had

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Speaker 3: two cool moments. One is when you present your credentials

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Speaker 3: in Germany and you walk out of the President's house

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Speaker 3: the German National band is playing the American It was

525
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Speaker 3: so cool, and you know, as this little kid from

526
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Speaker 3: Michigan who never thought that I could represent the United States,

527
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Speaker 3: it was a moment that was pretty emotional. And then

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Speaker 3: the second thing is is I'm a big MMA fan.

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Speaker 3: I don't really like the opera or the ballet, and

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Speaker 3: I think it was the first ambassador to not go

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Speaker 3: to the opening of the Berlin Opera and the you know,

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Speaker 3: fancy stuff in Munich. But I did bring the MMA

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Speaker 3: and the UFC to Germany, and I got to go

534
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Speaker 3: pretty regularly in Germany and really help that industry in Europe.

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Speaker 3: Now the worst part, yep, I think the worst part

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Speaker 3: about being an ambassador is having security. I hate it,

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Speaker 3: to be honest. I'm somebody who likes to think about

538
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Speaker 3: going to the gym when I feel it, not when

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Speaker 3: I plan it. So I would plan to go to

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Speaker 3: the gym in the morning because you have to tell security,

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Speaker 3: and then you'd wake up and be like, actually, I

542
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Speaker 3: don't feel like going to the gym right now. So

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Speaker 3: I didn't like having to determine my whole schedule and

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Speaker 3: having security. I'd much rather be you know, winging it now.

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Speaker 2: How frequently are ambassadors doing the whining and dining thing?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you have gazillionaires who go be

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Speaker 2: ambassadors and you know, spend a bunch of money on

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Speaker 2: a incredible wine collection.

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Speaker 3: How much is that part of the job. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it can be the whole part of the job if

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Speaker 3: you want it to be. You can go and just

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Speaker 3: have a lot of fun and pretend like you're an

553
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Speaker 3: ambassador from America, but you're really doing a travelog of

554
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Speaker 3: the whole country, and your Instagram is about how great

555
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: the other country is. I find that to be pathetic.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I think if the American people are

557
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Speaker 3: paying you, you should be the Office of America overseas.

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Speaker 3: And so everything that I did had a purpose. If

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Speaker 3: we were going to try to squeeze a ron, I

560
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Speaker 3: would bring in business lead to say, you know, I'm

561
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Speaker 3: not going to tell you what to do, but you

562
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Speaker 3: either are going to work in America or you're going

563
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Speaker 3: to work in around but you're not going to do

564
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Speaker 3: business in both, So choose which one. And we tried

565
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Speaker 3: to be very social with a lot of different issues

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Speaker 3: that matter, and not just things that I wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: Well. I will say what Heidi and I brought our

568
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Speaker 2: girls to Europe for a summer vacation several years back,

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Speaker 2: but we were in Germany. You very kindly hosted us

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Speaker 2: at your residence, which really cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh that that residence was amazing, great history. It

572
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Speaker 3: was the Nazi Party of Berlin's headquarters as well.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of creepy.

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Speaker 3: It was creepy and it had a long history. But

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Speaker 3: the American military, the US Army, took it over used

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Speaker 3: it as a guesthouse for military leaders for a while.

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Speaker 3: And when Germany was reunited and they needed an American

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Speaker 3: ambassador's residence back in Berlin, and the State Department stepped

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Speaker 3: in and said to the military, we'll take this back.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question about what it

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Speaker 1: was like also being an ambassador in Germany. You were

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Speaker 1: there from eighteen to twenty and it wasn't as hostile

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Speaker 1: I think then as it is now politically, especially on

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Speaker 1: the world stage, especially if you're connected to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: What was it like early on in How were you treated?

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Speaker 3: Look, I had a great experience. I have a lot

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Speaker 3: of friends in Germany, there are a ton of conservatives

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Speaker 3: in Germany, and the German business community is a lot

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Speaker 3: like the American business community. You kind of can't tell

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Speaker 3: the difference. I mean, Luftanza, for instance, has twelve thousand

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Speaker 3: American employees, and you could do this with Dommler and

592
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Speaker 3: BMW and you know whatever the German company is, so

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Speaker 3: they act very much the same. I think the different

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Speaker 3: is that the German business community will talk about the

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Speaker 3: government in a negative way privately, but publicly they won't

596
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Speaker 3: criticize the government, so there's a little bit of fear there.

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Speaker 3: But I felt like I could completely say what I

598
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: needed to say. I spoke to groups constantly, and I

599
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: was brutally honest about Nordstream two and about defense spending,

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Speaker 3: telling them just how Americans felt when they when we

601
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Speaker 3: see the largest economy in Europe not paying their NATO

602
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Speaker 3: obligation but feeding the beast with Nordstream two. And that

603
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: really went over well, I think with everybody but the government.

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Speaker 2: You know. One of the things I found remarkable in

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Speaker 2: Germany is that when we went to the Brandenburg Gate,

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Speaker 2: and as you know, I have in my office a

607
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Speaker 2: gigantic painting of Reagan in front of the Brandenburg Gate

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Speaker 2: with the words tear down this wall in German and

609
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Speaker 2: the style the graffiti that was on the wall, and

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Speaker 2: I think those are the most consequential words uttered by

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Speaker 2: any leader in modern times. Well, when you go to

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Speaker 2: the Brandenburg Gate and you go to where Reagan gave

613
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Speaker 2: that speech, there's almost nothing from the German government commemorating it.

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Speaker 2: There's a small little brass plaque on the ground that's

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Speaker 2: maybe six inches wide that is where he gave the speech,

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Speaker 2: and other than that, there's nothing. Yeah, and that that

617
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Speaker 2: I found astonishing. Did that surprise you?

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Speaker 3: It did? And to be honest, to the Reagan Library here,

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of friends at the Reagan Library

620
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: because of the California connections, and they all said to me, like,

621
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Speaker 3: what's going on? Why is Germany giving Ronald Reagan his due?

622
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Speaker 3: And when I got there, I decided to go straight

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Speaker 3: to the mayor of Berlin, and he was a diehard socialist,

624
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Speaker 3: and I said, you know, Mayor, what what's up. You

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Speaker 3: have a lot of memorials to Russians and others, but

626
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Speaker 3: there's nothing for Ronald Reagan. And he told me he goes.

627
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Speaker 3: You know, you Americans, you always overplay Ronald Reagan. You

628
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Speaker 3: pretend like he did a lot more than what he did.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, well, we think that he was

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Speaker 3: the catalyst. And so we were asking for a statue

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Speaker 3: and he formally told me no. So, as you know,

632
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Speaker 3: in the embassy, it's pretty amazing location. And I decided

633
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Speaker 3: to take the terrace, the whole terrace of the US

634
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Speaker 3: Embassy and turn it into the Ronald Reagan Terraces. And

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Speaker 3: we put a seven foot statue of Ronald Reagan on

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Speaker 3: top of the terrace looking out at that at the

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Speaker 3: Brandenburg Gate. But the most amazing thing that we did,

638
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Speaker 3: and it was a last minute thought, is you walk

639
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: all the way out to the edge and you're looking

640
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Speaker 3: down below where the wall was. You see the spot

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Speaker 3: where Reagan gave the speech. And I put up a

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Speaker 3: kiosk and you can press the button and you can

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Speaker 3: watch while you're out on this little ledge feeling like

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Speaker 3: you're just alone, and suddenly you're watching the speech right

645
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Speaker 3: from where it took place. I have to tell you

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Speaker 3: I've taken probably twenty senators out to do that. I

647
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: always stop and let the moment be felt, and I've

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Speaker 3: seen a lot of tears from the US Senators from

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Speaker 3: US officials who say this is one of the most

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Speaker 3: amazing moments. I do think that the US Embassy in

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Speaker 3: Berlin is probably the best location of our embassies in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I love that you put that statue up.

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Speaker 2: That was long overdue. Do you know did the Biden

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Speaker 3: It's still up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm glad to I hadn't heard that it

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Speaker 1: You look at our southern border right now, and it

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Speaker 2: There are more and more people that are saying this.

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Speaker 1: We saw the FBI Director Ray saying that we're at

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Speaker 1: the highest level in his opinion, since nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: are not trying to turn themselves into border patrol agents.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to become guidaways. We have no idea how

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Speaker 1: many terrorists have made it into this country undetected so far.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at the warnings now and you

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Speaker 1: look at what just happened, and you look at the

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Speaker 1: warnings of possibilities of the same type of style attack

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Speaker 1: that we just saw in Israel, and yet we still

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Speaker 1: have an open border, and we still have my Orcas

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Speaker 1: before Congress was at yesterday day before saying that no,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't believe we need a border wall. What is

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Speaker 1: your reaction from an intelligence standpoint?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben's good question, because you know, I got to

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Speaker 3: believe that all of the intelligence officials who are collecting

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Speaker 3: raw intelligence see it on a daily basis. They're seeing

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Speaker 3: I mean, how else do we know that someone from

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Speaker 3: the terrorist watch list is crossing the border. It's because

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Speaker 3: of raw intelligence. We're figuring it out. But I think

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Speaker 3: that it's being hidden when they report it. It's not

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Speaker 3: being analyzed and talked about, it's not being put into

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Speaker 3: the president's daily briefing. All of that information is completely

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Speaker 3: being suppressed. And once again we should be asking these

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Speaker 3: questions of Avril Haynes. You know, what are you seeing

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Speaker 3: at the border? What are you hearing at the border?

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Speaker 3: And you know, she's just not getting pushed on it,

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Speaker 3: but it's clearly extremely dangerous. Everybody knows that you're not

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Speaker 3: going to have a country if you have open border.

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Speaker 3: We all know that. But I find the most outrageous

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Speaker 3: thing is that the media are complicit in this problem,

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Speaker 3: because Democrats would have to face the music if they

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Speaker 3: were hearing from the media in their home states, if

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Speaker 3: they were being pushed and held to account like they

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Speaker 3: used to when I would sit around and watch the

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Speaker 2: Well, Rick, this is a point that we've made a

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Speaker 2: lot on this podcast and that I make in my

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Speaker 2: brand new book, Unwoke, which is that the corruption of

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Speaker 2: the media and Donald Trump I believe broke the media,

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Speaker 2: he shattered their brains. That has played a critical role

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Speaker 2: in driving today's Democrat party to such extremes and go

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Speaker 2: so crazy left because they never ever, ever get questioned

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Speaker 2: on any of it. So there's no downside to giving

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Speaker 2: in to the radical extreme in their party. They never

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Speaker 2: fear that they will get a hard question at home,

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Speaker 2: They never fear they'll get a bad story at home.

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Speaker 2: And so I think the abandonment of any effort at

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Speaker 2: journalism by the corporate media has been one of the

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Speaker 2: most destructive developments in recent years.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree because it's unleashed, right, there's no consequences,

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Speaker 3: there's no downside, so they get to do and say

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Speaker 3: anything they want. As I watch April Haynes and you know,

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Speaker 3: she got into office and immediately in order to please Iran,

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Speaker 3: one of the first things she did was manipulate past

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Speaker 3: after the Saudis and the Kushogi issue all over again.

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Speaker 3: They literally there was nothing new in that report. It

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Speaker 3: was repackaged to hit the Saudis hard after we had

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Speaker 3: basically looked at them and tried to make some changes. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and we're trying to heal that relationship.

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Speaker 2: She opened it up or on the verge of signing

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Speaker 2: the Abrahamicord, Yes, and until Biden screwed that up.

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Speaker 3: True, and and they I look back now, and it

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Speaker 3: makes sense to me. The reason they did it is

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Speaker 3: because they wanted to show the Iranians that somehow that

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Speaker 3: they were going to play more fair and that they

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Speaker 3: were going to be nicer to the Iranians by beating

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Speaker 3: up on the Saudis. Right, and then why aren't we

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Speaker 3: talking about the fact that they took the Houthis off

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Speaker 3: the terrorist watch list, and the Huthis are the ones

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Speaker 3: who just shot down the drone.

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Speaker 1: Why were they taken off that list? To me explain

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Speaker 1: the politics behind.

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Speaker 3: That, Well, I think again it's a it's a gift

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Speaker 3: to the Iranians. They're they're trying to please them because

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Speaker 3: they want to get back, and you know they will

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Speaker 3: spin that somehow the international sanctions was pressure, were pressuring

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Speaker 3: bomb because of the sanctions and the grip that we had.

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Speaker 3: And again this is the same strategy that they had

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Speaker 3: with Russia. When you go and you see Democrat senators

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Speaker 3: making the case for dropping the sanctions on Nordstream too,

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Speaker 3: it is in summary they keep saying, well, we don't

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Speaker 3: want to stick it in the eye of the Russians.

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Speaker 3: This pipeline in US, sanctioning it, making it not come

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Speaker 3: online is creating problems. So we must therefore let the

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Speaker 3: pipeline flow through with gas because things are going to

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Speaker 3: be better if we don't stick it in the eye

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Speaker 3: of Putin. This is this was the argument.

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Speaker 2: Appeasement always, always, always fails. It invites bullies and tyrants

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Speaker 2: to be aggressive to invade it causes war absolutely. I

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Speaker 2: mean Joe Biden inherited peace and prosperity. We now have

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Speaker 2: the biggest land war in Europe since World War Two

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Speaker 2: and the biggest war in the Middle East of our lifetimes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that is and and you know

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Speaker 2: you're talking about the Saudis. Look, in my view, the

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Speaker 2: dominant foreign policy objective of Joe Biden and his team

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Speaker 2: has been to re enter an even worse Iran nuclear deal,

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Speaker 2: and everything in the Middle East hinges on. Why do

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Speaker 2: they go after the Saudis so ferociously For the same

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Speaker 2: reason that I am largely pro Saudi, which is that

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Speaker 2: the Saudis are the most important regional counterweight other than

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Speaker 2: Israel to Iran. Now, look, the Saudis have lots of problems,

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Speaker 2: so I described the Saudis as a problematic ally, but

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Speaker 2: them to be strong as a counterbalance to Iran. That's

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Speaker 2: precisely why the Biden administration wants the Saudis to be weak,

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Speaker 2: because everything is servient to getting in another deal with Iran,

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Speaker 2: including in the middle of this Ukraine war. After Biden's

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Speaker 2: weakness causes the war in Ukraine, it has now become

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Speaker 2: the ultimate Democrat virtue signal to wear a Ukrainian flag

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Speaker 2: and commit that we must be in the war until

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Speaker 2: the end of time. And even while they say that,

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Speaker 2: they continue to flow now roughly one hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 2: into Iran, much of which goes into Iranian drones. That

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Speaker 2: Iran becomes the top weapon supplier to Russia, and so

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Speaker 2: Biden is funding both sides of the Ukraine War.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no question about that. And this goes back

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Speaker 3: to what my original point on Iran. It sounds crazy,

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Speaker 3: but they trust the Iranians. There's some belief Jake Sullivan.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's just a white paper intellectual exercise that if

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Speaker 3: you're nicer to them, somehow they're going to give up

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Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon. And they really believe that. In the

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Speaker 3: NGO community totally supports that, and we call it a peacement.

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Speaker 3: But they they're trying once again engagement. And this is

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Speaker 3: one of my problems with the foreign policy community is

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Speaker 3: that we should be able to try engagement, try sanctions,

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Speaker 3: try all sorts of things, but we should quickly evaluate

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Speaker 3: whether it's working or not. We could talk all day

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Speaker 3: about Venezuela, because I think that's a failure of a policy.

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Speaker 2: It is, you know, It's worth also underscoring that the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration's top Iran diplomat, Rob Malley, who's been fired

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Speaker 2: and has his security clearance pulled and is nonetheless than

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Speaker 2: a cushy job at my alma mater at Princeton, which

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Speaker 2: is really disgraceful. His inner circle included three individuals who

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Speaker 2: were Iranian operatives recruited by the Iranian government, reporting directly

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Speaker 2: to the Iranian Foreign Minister and advancing Iranian policy agendas

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Speaker 2: within the United States government within the Biden administration, one

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Speaker 2: of whom, as far as we know, is still a

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Speaker 2: chief of staff in the Department of Defense to this day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've been caught asking the Iranian diplomats for

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Speaker 3: sign off, yes, for speaking engagements. It's really so outrageous,

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Speaker 3: so treasonous. But once again, you don't see any of

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Speaker 3: asking the questions. They get away with it.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you another question. So you were

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Speaker 2: the Director of National Intelligence under Trump, you were acting

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Speaker 2: DNI for how long it was a short period of time.

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Speaker 3: A short period of time supposed to be three months,

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Speaker 3: but it was about four and a half.

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Speaker 2: So it's four and a half months. It was the

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Speaker 2: most consequential tenure at DNI that I have seen, and

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Speaker 2: you really shook that place up in a very short

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Speaker 2: time period. And I guess what I would ask is

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Speaker 2: number one, how did you do that? How did you

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Speaker 2: take on the deep state, which, which is real throughout government,

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Speaker 2: but especially in the intelligence community, is a persistent problem

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Speaker 2: and lots of conservatives sometimes feel frustrated and say, well,

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Speaker 2: you can't take on the deep state, And I think

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Speaker 2: you managed to do it remarkably during that tenure. And

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Speaker 2: what I would say, as a second part of the

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Speaker 2: question is what advice would you give to the next

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Speaker 2: Republican Cabinet member coming into office and facing career bureaucrats

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Speaker 2: that are ideologically and passionately opposed to the next Republican

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Speaker 2: president and the agenda of the next White House.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me take the second part first. I think

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Speaker 3: the reality is is you can't hire someone whose livelihood

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Speaker 3: is Washington, DC. You're hiring somebody who needs a job

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Speaker 3: later in the Washington system, where reporters go to church

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Speaker 3: with politicians and lobbyists. They live in the same communities.

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Speaker 3: They're never going to make big, bold decisions because they'll

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Speaker 3: have the ire of their friends and their church acquaintances.

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Speaker 3: What I believe that you have to do is hire

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Speaker 3: people also who really don't care about their New York

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Speaker 3: Times profile piece, who somehow have the ability to make

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Speaker 3: the right decisions. I've told President Trump we're going to

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Speaker 3: fix the personnel problem when he's president, and the first

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Speaker 3: thing is is to look at every resume and if

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Speaker 3: the resume has a Washington, d C. Address on it,

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Speaker 3: throw it away. We can hire people from outside of Washington,

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Speaker 3: d C. What happened with me at D and I

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Speaker 3: is actually pretty simple. When I came into D and I,

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Speaker 3: one of the first things they did is they gave

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Speaker 3: me four reports that had been done over the last

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Speaker 3: ten years of how to fix the intelligence system. I

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Speaker 3: read the reports and I thought, well, a lot of

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Speaker 3: this makes sense. We've got duplicitous programs, we've got people

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Speaker 3: who it's supposed to be a coordinating body, and yet

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Speaker 3: it's no longer a coordinating body. It's actually a competitive body.

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Speaker 3: It ballooned to more than two thousand people. It should

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Speaker 3: be like two hundred people. And so I just started

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Speaker 3: sending people back to their home agencies D and I

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Speaker 3: the OD and I had become the wasteland. If intelligence

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Speaker 3: agency didn't like somebody, rather than fire them, they sent

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Speaker 3: them over to OD and I. And so I just

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Speaker 3: started sending people back and getting rid of every possible

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Speaker 3: person that we could, freezing hiring. I did this in

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Speaker 3: Germany well, and forcing people to rethink this. You've got

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Speaker 3: to be able to play the system. But you got

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Speaker 3: to know the system. And I've worked at the State Department,

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Speaker 3: and I knew how the federal government works to where

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Speaker 3: you can come in and manipulate it and start using

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Speaker 3: its own rules against it. I do think though, that

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Speaker 3: in order for us to make big, bold decisions, Congress

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Speaker 3: is going to have to somehow change the way the

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Speaker 3: labor force is legally allowed to be cut. As you know,

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Speaker 3: and I'm preaching to the choir here, but when we

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Speaker 3: come up with new technologies and we decide to spend

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Speaker 3: on a different program, by definition, other things should fall.

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Speaker 3: People should be fired, the program should be eliminated. And

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Speaker 3: that's not happening. Rick.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on I know, the Senator,

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Speaker 1: and I love having you here, and congratulations on an

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Speaker 1: incredible career. I have a feeling that final chapter in

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Speaker 1: your career is nowhere close to being finished, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more to look forward to with your leadership

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Speaker 1: in this country as well. And so again, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on Verdict being a part of this.

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