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Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio t rexam Me LeVar Rington. Thanks Jona

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Speaker 4: Sax with you here in for Colin Trass.

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Speaker 5: I got to right now, gotta keep my armpits closed.

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Speaker 5: Very offensive. I don't know why I forgot to put

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Speaker 5: the odor in it. I'm sorry, I mean our defense.

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Speaker 4: Normally we don't see another living, breathing human body, so

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Speaker 4: don't even matter at the time we're working.

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Speaker 3: Because it's three in the morning, so there's nobody.

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Speaker 4: Around, so valid point seeing actual people you work with,

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Speaker 4: say in traffic light, yeah light, it really is.

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Speaker 3: It really is bizarre, brilliant, but we are in for Colin.

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Speaker 4: It is the the final hour of the show, as

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Speaker 4: we take you all the way up until three eastern

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Speaker 4: of affiliates all across the country. Here before we get

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Speaker 4: into this discussion about the latest on a quarterback competition

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Speaker 4: in the NFL, we had a major, major discussion that

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Speaker 4: needed to be concluded here on the air, and that

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Speaker 4: was you were.

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Speaker 3: Right, you were correct.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's I mean, let's let's find out how correct

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Speaker 4: I was correct. So this is welcome to July. Everybody.

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Speaker 4: Is Zach Wilson really Polynesian? And for that we go

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Speaker 4: live to our Polynesian insider Lee to Lap, who is

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Speaker 4: standing in y key Key for the latest.

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Speaker 3: Lee, Yes, that is correct.

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Speaker 6: Jonas talks that Zachary Capon Wilson is in fact a

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Speaker 6: quarter Polynesian, his dad being half Hawaiian. He in fact

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Speaker 6: did win the twenty twenty College Polynesian Polynesian College Football

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Speaker 6: Player of the Year and is in the Polynesian College

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Speaker 5: Here you go, good for you exact had no idea.

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Speaker 5: I was today years old when I found that out. Man,

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Speaker 5: God blessed, What did you think he was? What Zach Wilson?

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Speaker 5: You see the dude, he looks as as freaking all

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Speaker 5: American white boy as it gets period. See, but that

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Speaker 5: just goes to show you we live in a world

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Speaker 5: where you just should not judge people by the parents

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Speaker 5: of them. You judged them by who they are, because

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Speaker 5: it really shouldn't even matter.

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Speaker 4: And it's radio. I could be Jamaican. Imagine exactly.

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Speaker 5: Imagine if you was running up on him like, hey,

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Speaker 5: white boy, right, and he's like, but I'm Polynesian, and

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Speaker 5: you actually got offended by him saying he was Polynesian.

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Speaker 5: By the way, you don't want to play with them.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, he and if he's bringing that side

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Speaker 5: you right now. I didn't know how deep that that

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Speaker 5: let me tell you Polynesians, the Tonguans, Uh what is it?

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Speaker 5: Pacific Pacific Island, the warriors like for real warriors. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's like they get the doing that. Oh that that stuff, right,

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Speaker 5: I forget about it. I don't want no parts of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you go to uh, you spend enough. I remember we

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Speaker 4: and I'm looking at them, calling, first of all, maybe

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Speaker 3: Just big dude massive. There's some big dudes.

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Speaker 5: Man, there's calf muscles and oh my god, they're just

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Speaker 3: Like, different type of big, different type of big dudes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mamas be big too, They big too, Just big,

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Speaker 5: Good for y'all. I could use some of that them

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Speaker 5: got no calves, you do, yeah, look at me. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we on the same We're on the same leg program.

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Speaker 5: High legs like crutches. I mean, I ain't quite Jim

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Speaker 5: Speaking of quarterbacks, Cladsdale never won the Kentucky Derby though.

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Speaker 5: Just keep that in mind, all right. That's what my

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Speaker 3: You know it's not Polynesian, cam Ward.

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Speaker 4: You sure so, So that brings up the the discussion of.

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Speaker 3: What's going on. Hold on, hold on, cam Ward Paul.

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Speaker 3: By the way, if he's Polynesian, we're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: If he was Polynesian. I'm literally walking right out of

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Speaker 4: in the middle of Ventura. That's enough. But that being said,

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Speaker 4: cam Ward finds himself the number one pick of the

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Speaker 4: draft for the Tennessee Titans, and he's going to be

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Speaker 4: quote unquote competing for the job with Will Levis, who

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Speaker 4: is currently there. And so the Titans offensive lineman J. C.

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Speaker 4: Latham was on Sirius XM NFL Radio and discussed the

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Speaker 4: QB battle for the Titans.

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Speaker 7: If you're a ballplayer, if you know love this game,

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Speaker 7: then you know Will is just not going to throw

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Speaker 7: over here and say, oh, we drafted him, go ahead

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Speaker 7: and take it, and Cam's not going to expect it

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Speaker 7: to be just given to you know, and throughout the spring,

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Speaker 7: I think that's the one thing that you know, all

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Speaker 7: the coaches and players on the team, I've seen like

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Speaker 7: both of them taking the challenge of like trying to

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Speaker 7: and you know it just made him better. You know,

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Speaker 7: you can see the improvements from Will and you can

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Speaker 7: see the sharpness of Cam so and Cam's taking a

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Speaker 7: lot more of a leadership understanding of taking accountability. The

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Speaker 7: team goes as the quarterback goes. So you know, in

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Speaker 7: that regards heading the tone.

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Speaker 4: We can dress this up as a quarterback competition all

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Speaker 4: we want. Will Levis has no shot, none at all.

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Speaker 4: Bro injury Okay, yeah that, but cam Ward was drafted

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Speaker 4: number one overall, you've got a brand regime, Drag number one. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: drig number two drafted him, and you've got a head

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Speaker 4: coach who, because of the new regime, if he doesn't

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Speaker 4: win this year or at least prove that he's the

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Speaker 4: guy for cam Ward's development, he's gone. So it's almost

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Speaker 4: like Brian Kalen get four strikes. I mean, you didn't

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Speaker 4: throw in there three wins last year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you're Will Levis, sure you accept

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Speaker 5: the the challenge of trying to remain the starting quarterback,

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Speaker 5: but you were the starting quarterback of three win teams

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Speaker 3: Before Brian Callahan has no choice but to start cam Ward.

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Speaker 5: Number one pick. That's number one pick at quarterback, that's

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Speaker 5: his He's a day one starter, day one start.

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Speaker 4: But they dress it up is well, no, it's just

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Speaker 4: you know, competition and Will Levis, you know, look man tongue,

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Speaker 4: Like we saw what happened last year. Gerrod Mao tried to,

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Speaker 4: to Jacoby Brissett and Drake May and even said along

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Speaker 4: I mean you can't, like I know that we want

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Speaker 4: to make this out to be like it's this true competition.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: It's not because of all the other factors that are there.

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Speaker 4: Even if Will Levis had slightly outplayed cam Ward in

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Speaker 4: training camp and in the preseason, I think cam Ward

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Speaker 4: would still be the guy. He'd still get the chance

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Speaker 4: to be the starting quarterback from day one, because there's

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Speaker 4: too many other factors in play. When it comes to

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Speaker 4: the brand new regime who took him number one overall,

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Speaker 4: he was the guy they identified as their quarterback of

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Speaker 4: the future, and you've got a coach who is clearly

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Speaker 4: guy who hired me is out of here. There's been

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Speaker 4: If I don't produce or if I'm not showing that

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Speaker 4: going to be staring down down the barrel of another

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Speaker 4: quarterback comes in for one year, there's a coach, it's fired,

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Speaker 4: and now he's got to work with another guy the

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Speaker 4: next year.

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Speaker 3: In the year two. We've seen it so many times.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of ways the win could blow this

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Speaker 5: of what's surrounding this Tennessee Titans team. But one thing

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Speaker 5: that we do know for certain is that the quarterback

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Speaker 5: competition is with a quarterback that was a part of

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Speaker 5: a three to win team the year. This year's quarterback

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Speaker 5: that is added to the quarterback room is the number

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Speaker 5: one overall pick, not number two, not number three, not

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Speaker 5: number four, not number five. And as amazing as it

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Speaker 5: number two overall pick, amazing as that is. It's not

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Speaker 5: number one. It's not number one. Cam Ward is your

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Speaker 5: to being in the National Football League. That's just part

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Speaker 5: I ain't gonna give him elite talent, but he's a

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Speaker 5: off I would like for them to have a better

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Speaker 3: Those are guys that, to.

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Speaker 5: Me, are very vital to the early stages of a

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Speaker 5: But you do have Calvin Ridley, you got tied. They

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Speaker 5: added Tyler Lockett. That's a lot of leadership value there.

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Speaker 5: They have players in place where you'd say they have

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Speaker 5: opportunity to see what they have. Don't ruin that by

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Speaker 5: guy for the job or not. When you're a number

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Speaker 5: one an overall draft pick, you've already made the determination

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Speaker 5: that he's good enough to start at the league level

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Speaker 5: day one. Don't have to have the conversation about giving

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Speaker 5: him earning it. All those things come with him within

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Speaker 5: the locker room. But in terms of how the coaching

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Speaker 5: a hard.

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Speaker 3: Decision to make.

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Speaker 3: I mean. And that's why happens when you lose. There's

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Speaker 5: When you're not productive in a sport of total total discrimination,

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Speaker 5: So the bottom line here, you do have to play

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Speaker 3: He went number one overall. He can be. It's that

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Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of wild because everything you hear

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Speaker 3: He had a great year last year. All of it.

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Speaker 5: It really works the cam Ward's advantage if the attention

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Speaker 4: So we've got the latest layer to the nil world

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Speaker 4: Right now, me personally, I look at that because I'm

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Speaker 3: I look at that. This is great for Texas Tech.

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Speaker 4: They got a big time recruit, clearly somebody who loved

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Speaker 8: Well, I think this was a fascinating story that flew

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Speaker 3: Right. Does it say, do you have the article pulled

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Speaker 5: Tech and it came through a collective or whatever it

437
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 5: is that they're called, it has to.

438
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: Be a millionaire funneling. It can't be right.

439
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 5: It can't be coming direct from a billionaire donor straight

440
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 5: to the athlete. That's that's still a violation. That's that's

441
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 5: not that's not compliant. So in this scenario, is the

442
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 5: new team going to buy out the contract of the

443
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 5: collective from this school? Are you going to pay the

444
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 5: remaining three four million dollars because you'd have to assume

445
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 5: if you come in with a guaranteed contract your rook

446
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 5: your freshman year is going to be a lower number

447
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 5: than all the other years. You'd have to assume the

448
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 5: numbers would go up as the years will go up

449
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 5: because they haven't done anything.

450
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: So you're you're kind of trying to head your bet

451
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: in terms of what you're going to invest in that

452
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: player heading into their second and third year, where perceivably

453
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 3: they're gonna leave after they're at their third year in school.

454
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: So now you're in a situation where you got to

455
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: figure out who's taking care of these contracts, what happens, Like, Okay,

456
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: if I leave and I'd say, I don't care if

457
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 3: this next school pays out the contract that I have

458
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: guaranteed with you guys, I'm leaving in the portal, What

459
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: does that look like? Like?

460
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 5: How does the school that had you manage that?

461
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: And how does the school that's taking you in? How

462
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: did I manage that?

463
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 4: There's just a lot of questions this whole. It was

464
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 4: so much better when things were illegal. We all knew,

465
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: we all knew what was going on, but we didn't

466
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 4: know the details of it, and we could just be like,

467
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: all right, listen, they got a five star recruit, but

468
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: they probably fine and he's an offensive line and they

469
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 4: would never go there. It's like, was it Hugh Freeze

470
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: at Ole Miss who had all those guys come in,

471
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: remember like Lacwan Treadwell and those guys game as part

472
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: of one Robert part of one recruiting class. And everyone

473
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 4: looked at it and said, well, that's a little suspects.

474
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: You Freeze what happened there?

475
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: And then you know Robert kids, you know, like you know,

476
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: Smogan synthetic weed and falling out of a window.

477
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 3: He was high jumping.

478
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: But now there's just so much that we don't It's

479
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 4: almost like we have less answers now than we did before,

480
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: and we have all the information to where you're not

481
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: quite sure who's paying for what, You're not quite sure

482
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 4: what this means. You don't know if he wants to

483
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 4: opt out or if he wants to transfer somewhere what

484
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 4: that means. You don't know like all of these different

485
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: factors that have just been thrown.

486
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: Into it, and I don't know where we go from here,

487
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: Like what is like when are we going to get

488
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: to a point to where all right, these are the rules,

489
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 3: this is what's at play, this is what you can do,

490
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: and this is what you can't do done.

491
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 5: It's because there's so many legal battles that are taking place,

492
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 5: it's hard to even with the future of what the

493
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 5: NCAA as a governing body represents.

494
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: To these schools.

495
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 5: What is the dynamic between conferences, What is the dynamic

496
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 5: between conferences the NCAA and television, you know, the television stations.

497
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 5: There's so many moving parts here, and the one part

498
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 5: that to me is going to be the most interesting

499
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 5: of them all is athlete versus employee. That's going to

500
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: be the biggest conversation because once you get to a

501
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 5: place or where you have to call these athletes employees,

502
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 5: then now the floodgates are open to all the other

503
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 5: elements that come into play.

504
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 3: Because as of right now, this is still not pay

505
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: for play.

506
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 5: It has to be stated in all of these conversations,

507
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 5: it is still not play pay for play, meaning I'm

508
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: not hiring you. Penn State isn't hiring this kid to

509
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 5: come there and play there for three years.

510
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: Right, That's not how this works.

511
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 5: So until you get to a point of where you

512
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 5: say and even once you get to that point, now

513
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 5: the question becomes, are you hiring them as an employee?

514
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 5: What are you hiring them under? Are you hiring them

515
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 5: as an employee to the university? Are you hiring them

516
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 5: as an employee under a different entity? How is that

517
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: happening If you don't hire them as an employee, how

518
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: are you hiring them? Are they an independent contractor? How

519
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: is that contract being done? Can I get out of

520
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 5: the contract because I'm an independent contractor and I did

521
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: the deal in a different way where I can loophole

522
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 5: getting out of this contract because I'm an independent contractor.

523
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 5: There are so many fed up conversations connected to where

524
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: the NCAA or where college sports is now in this

525
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: nil era, and they don't have I can't even imagine

526
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: that they have the answers to be able to put

527
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 5: in place to create the structures that are able to

528
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 5: make these healthy and safe environments for all involved.

529
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: It's just not there.

530
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 8: I think the other fascinating thing, LeVar, we were talking

531
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 8: about this in the break is that nowadays the best

532
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 8: players in the country are not necessarily going to the

533
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 8: best schools. That's correct, and this kid is chasing short

534
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 8: term money instead of long term potential success at a

535
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 8: better school with better coaching. Schools are going to be

536
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 8: playing for national championships in the playoff prime time. Like

537
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 8: That's not going to happen in Texas.

538
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: That's a strong observation, and I also I understand it

539
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: from their standpoint because they're looking at it going, Yeah,

540
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: the ceiling is higher if I go somewhere, get developed,

541
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 4: and get to the next level. But there's no guarantees

542
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to get to the next week. Go, So

543
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: here's my five million dollars. I'm going to get there.

544
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: You go, and at least this five million I can see.

545
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: The fifty million NFL career I can't see, So I'm

546
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: going to take what I can see.

547
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 8: Well, here's the quote from his agent. He said in

548
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 8: the story. Football is a brutal sport, and athletes are

549
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 8: not able to play professionally until their graduating class has

550
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 8: been in college three years. It was important to to

551
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 8: be able to secure Felix's future and give him and

552
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 8: his family some security as he continues to develop into

553
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 8: a first round NFL drive.

554
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: You do realize what this is. It's a bargaining tool.

555
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: It is a establishing of what he represents within the market.

556
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: So in other words, if I'm a five star and

557
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 5: I chose to go here and this is the contract

558
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 5: that I have that's guaranteed, I'm not going any lower

559
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: than that. So I have every intentions of leaving Texas

560
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 5: Tech to go play somewhere else and y'all gotta pay

561
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: me more, or I'll just stay where I'm at. I

562
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 5: have this guarantee contract here, I'll stay where I'm at.

563
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 5: Or it becomes a bargaining chip for these athletes, for

564
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 5: their agents to be able to go to the other schools,

565
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 5: shop their client around and say, here's our starting point.

566
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 5: He's making three million this year out of that five million,

567
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 5: what are you willing to do?

568
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 3: What are you willing to do?

569
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: Because at the end of the day, I would have

570
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 5: assume that these these contracts can't be They got to

571
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 5: be at will contracts, Like you can't lock a dude

572
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: in and say nope, we own your rights.

573
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: At least not that I think.

574
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I could be wrong, but I would think

575
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 5: that these are at will contracts.

576
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: Felix Ojo's agent, was on Fox Sports Radio on Friday

577
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: night talking with Aaron Torres and Arnie Spanier, and he says,

578
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: he claims it was all through revenue share, and he

579
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: said that they chose Texas Tech because they guarantee three years.

580
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: No other school would do more than one.

581
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 5: There you go, so there you go, and now this

582
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 5: is this is again, this is like Cleveland given given

583
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson the guarantee contract. Right, you had one that

584
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: jumps out there to get a player that they wouldn't

585
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 5: maybe necessarily thought they would have been able to get

586
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 5: a hold of. You're going to have schools that jump

587
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 5: out there and offer these types of opportunities because they

588
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been able to get hold of a five

589
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: star athlete to this Kyle Burr, if they didn't do

590
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 5: something differently than what the other schools are doing, which

591
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 5: now will eventually.

592
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: There's two ways of looking at this.

593
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: The bigger schools will hold their water and hope that

594
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 5: they can recruit guys that want to come there for

595
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: the reasons that they want them to come there for,

596
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 5: and if the guy goes and proves out out of

597
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: Texas Tech, then they make their decision from there, or

598
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 5: they say I don't want you at all.

599
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: You're not the type of guy we want on our.

600
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 5: Team that exists as well. But you have two ways

601
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 5: of approaching it. Either you say, okay, good, we're never

602
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 5: going to do that. We are never going to give

603
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 5: more than a one year contract two guys because of

604
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 5: how competitive this field is. Or you're going to say,

605
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: we got to start doing guaranteed contracts. The ones that

606
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: say we're doing one year contracts, they're generally the ones

607
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: that are going to be able to dictate what the

608
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 5: rules are to a certain degree and a certain capacity

609
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 5: still can get the type of recruits that they want

610
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: and can come get your recruit if they prove out.

611
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: If you start doing the guarantee contract for more than

612
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: one year at say an Ohio State or a Michigan

613
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 5: or a Texas or or one of those Alabama at

614
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 5: one of those type schools, then the landscape has now

615
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 5: took a turn for the wildest period forever.

616
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: There's no going back.

617
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: If Ohio State says we're giving out three year guarantees

618
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: for nil contracts before we even get to the point

619
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 5: of them being employee contracted players, the whole game is

620
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 5: going to change.

621
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: Man along for the good old days when Ricky Rose's

622
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: dad got a tractors.

623
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: I mean, nice, nice new John Deere in the driveway.

624
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: Instead we got all this mumbo jumbo with contracts going

625
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 4: around and.

626
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: You don't even know you don't even know what happens,

627
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: like you don't even really know what really all of

628
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 5: the ins and outs of how it's going to be handled.

629
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: If this all of the contingencies, What if he gets injured?

630
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 5: What if he fails out of school? Do you have

631
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 5: all of those things written into that contract? How many

632
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: pieces of language are going to be in that contract?

633
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 5: How many things that they think about versus how many

634
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: things that they might not have thought about yet, Like

635
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 5: you're gonna You can't take a pro contract and compare

636
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 5: to an athlete in college as a contract because the

637
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 5: deliverables are much different.

638
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: They're much different.

639
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 5: If a kid doesn't get a certain GPA and he

640
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 5: finds himself academically ineligible, does he still get that you

641
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 5: can't call that conduct detrimental to the organization.

642
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: I mean maybe you could, but how you just didn't

643
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: get the grades.

644
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 5: So now because of the institution that he's in, which

645
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 5: is in a way separate from what you're doing in football,

646
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 5: is now saying you're not eligible.

647
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: To play because you don't have a good enough grade.

648
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 5: I still want my money. I still want my money.

649
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: You can put me on the sideline, rule me ineligible.

650
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 5: But this contract says if I'm here and I'm on

651
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 5: this team, that I get paid this amount of money.

652
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: How are all of these things going to be navigated.

653
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 5: It's so many questions. It's concerning in a lot of ways.

654
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I know it's exciting. Players should have been paid,

655
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 5: they should get compensated, but there should have been more

656
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 5: of a structure in play and prepared for a time

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Speaker 9: This is the Herd Line News all right, Ryan Music music,

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Speaker 9: all right now. NFL training camp right around the corner.

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Speaker 9: ESPN has released their latest rankings, surveying league executives, coaches,

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Speaker 9: and scouts. The first rendition of this is ranking the

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Speaker 9: top running backs in the league, coming in at number one,

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Speaker 9: probably no surprise to anyone, Saquon Barkley receiving every first

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Speaker 9: place vote but one. In the seventy people surveyed Sakuon

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Speaker 9: Barkley a near unanimous number one, Derrick Henry number two,

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Speaker 9: Jamir Gibbs number three, b Jon Robinson fourth, and Christian

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Speaker 9: McCaffrey coming in at five.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and these werec come in at five.

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Speaker 9: Some of the feedback there was he's a great player,

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Speaker 9: but he has had Yeah, he's not durable.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's again, it's just like that lemon card

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Speaker 5: that we were talking about.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 3: Did we talk about that on the air or was

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Speaker 3: that off air?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: On their Yeah, yeah, you don't want to you don't

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Speaker 5: want to drive an ile card.

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Speaker 3: I remember the stuff we talked about off the air.

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Speaker 5: I try I tend to try to forget intentionally.

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Speaker 9: Regarding Christian McCaffrey, NFL personnel executive was quoted saying, he's

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Speaker 9: an elite trainer. He takes great care of himself, just

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Speaker 9: doesn't have a big enough body. An elite trainer, takes

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Speaker 9: care of himself, but gets hurt. Like that's what you

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Speaker 9: want to say. You can't make him a top five

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Speaker 9: player if he's always hurt. I'm just that's just all

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Speaker 9: I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like it feels like there's some racial undertones

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Speaker 4: there to be honest, I wasn't going down that road.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just wondering who's voting on this again.

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Speaker 9: This is league executives, coaches, and scouts, and there was

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Speaker 9: one that voted.

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Speaker 3: Probably told Derek Henry or or he were for the

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Speaker 3: Giants or he worked for the Giant. That's a good one.

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Speaker 3: Likes a good one.

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Speaker 4: Didn't think Bark be running back in the league last year.

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Speaker 4: How's anybody voting? It could have been somebody from Baltimore.

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Speaker 9: Come on, man, he just ran for two thousand yards

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Speaker 9: old man like he who says that?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 4: Who would who would vote for anybody other than the

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Speaker 4: Saquon Bark? Who has you that that was unanimous? You

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Speaker 4: could argue he should have been the MVP of the league.

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Speaker 4: He was the MVP and somebody, somebody had the breaks.

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Speaker 5: If he breaks the record, he's the MVP of the league,

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Speaker 5: so he should have got it for the simple.

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Speaker 3: Fact that they held him out and he did not

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Speaker 3: break the record. Done. Yeah, that seems your v seems

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Speaker 3: pretty unanimous. I don't understand. Well, it's got the vote,

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Speaker 3: but okay, hey all right, shouts out the king, Harry.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we'll stay in the NFL and the Washington Commanders,

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Speaker 9: their star wide receiver Terry McLaurin holding out expected to

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Speaker 9: be holding out come training camp. They're trying to deal

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Speaker 9: and the latest from Jeremy Fowler Terry McLaurin quote, not

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Speaker 9: happy with where things are regarding an extension and they

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Speaker 9: have a couple of weeks here to make progress before

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Speaker 9: risk before risking a holdout that drags on into training camp.

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Speaker 9: Adam Schefter also adding to the Terry McLaurin situation, there's

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Speaker 9: no update and that's what the problem is. There is

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Speaker 9: quite a gap between where both sides are and want

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Speaker 9: right now, and they have not made any progress. So

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Speaker 9: things not looking positive for Washington and Terry McLaurin as

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Speaker 9: they look to build on last year's a surprising NFC

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Speaker 9: championship run with Jayden Daniels in his rookie season.

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Speaker 3: Here comes to J Watt. It's getting a little j Watt,

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Speaker 3: it's getting a little dicey there. I look.

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Speaker 4: I acknowledge generally speaking, these deals get done, you know

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Speaker 4: usually you know at the wire, right before the year whatever.

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Speaker 4: But in real time, I love this stuff. I think

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Speaker 4: it's fascinating just to see the back and forth and

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Speaker 4: how it plays out in the media, the different reports

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Speaker 4: and all the other things that are going on, the TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt stuff.

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Speaker 4: But Terry McLaurin, Look, he's he's a guy I can

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Speaker 4: imagine they desperately want back, just based on the fact

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Speaker 4: that he's been really one of the foundational pieces with

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Speaker 4: that team, with all the controversy and all the stuff

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Speaker 4: that's gone on over the past several years. He's always

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Speaker 4: been a really good player. But he's a wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: He's getting up there in years, and I could understand

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Speaker 4: their them not wanting to maybe empty the vault for

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Speaker 4: Terry McLaurin, but it would be a tough loss for

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Speaker 4: them as an organization because he's one of the team

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Speaker 4: leaders there.

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Speaker 5: They got Noah Brown, they got Michael Gillup, they got

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Speaker 5: they added Deebo Samuel and some people think he's overweight,

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Speaker 5: but I think he's still Deebo Samuel till.

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Speaker 3: He proves he's not. Wait, well, they said they said

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Speaker 3: that there's a new Chunky. There's a new Chunky Deebo Samuel.

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Speaker 3: I ain't going into all of that.

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Speaker 5: That's what I've heard, but I'm just saying this might

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Speaker 5: be this might be the continued setting of the table

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Speaker 5: for TJ. Watt to end up in in Washington and

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Speaker 5: Terry ending up in in Pittsburgh. I'm just saying, body,

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Speaker 5: they say.

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Speaker 3: It's the chunky Deebo Samuel has has shown up to

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Speaker 3: You know, he.

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Speaker 5: Can't wear them tight little shorts he's been wearing pregame

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Speaker 5: into the locker room. At the current weight that he's at.

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Speaker 5: They said he got to drop about five to ten pounds.

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Speaker 5: That's what I heard, too. Has some sun to say

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Speaker 5: about your daddy said it?

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