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Speaker 1: that are promised money that they never see is probably happening.

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Speaker 1: Well over fifty percent of the time promises are not kept.

432
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Speaker 1: And he was once upon a time promised over thirteen

433
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: million dollars, which separate from the player. If you are

434
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: willing to pay a prospect thirteen million dollars, I'm gonna

435
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: bet against your program because that is that is insanity,

436
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: that is moronic. If you want to give thirteen million

437
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: dollars to Caleb Williams after his freshman year or an

438
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: established player in college. While a lot understandable, but to me,

439
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: giving recruits millions of dollars is gonna work out? I

440
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: would say a small percentage of the time. And I

441
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: think we've seen that, and a lot of teams have

442
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: funneled much more of their resources and assets into the

443
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: transfer portal because it's like buying a free agent. You

444
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: have tape of them playing Power five. So Jade Reshada,

445
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: who is now he was gonna go to Florida, then

446
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: he was gonna go to Miami, ended up at Arizona

447
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: State because that's where his dad played. He's now at

448
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: Georgia after last year did not go that well is

449
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: suing Florida four millions of dollars and he's represented by

450
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: Rusty Harden, who you know, pretty famous attorney once upon

451
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: a time. I remember first time I heard his name

452
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: was when I was a kid and he was representing

453
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens. But here's the thing. These nil promises are

454
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: just that promises. Now, you could argue that it's taking

455
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: advantage of young people that have no clue what's going on,

456
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: and you throw out numbers thirteen. My first reaction years

457
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: ago when the thirteen million number got thrown out was laughter, like,

458
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: this is the most over the top fake number in

459
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: the history of fake numbers. And part of it was

460
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: Florida was trying to swim because Miami had offered a

461
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: nine million, so they wanted to offer more. The coach then,

462
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: I think, essentially made a.

463
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Speaker 3: Promise to him.

464
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: But that's the business we're in right now. That's the

465
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: promises that are getting made all over the country that

466
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: are then never lived up to. And you could say, well,

467
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: it sucks for him that money was never there in

468
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: the first place. It literally didn't exist. The Florida turns out,

469
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: didn't even have the money. The nil conglomerate or whatever

470
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: they're considered, did not have the cash. And I think

471
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: when you look at this situation, like you can sue

472
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: the school, but the schools have nothing to do, like

473
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: the program has nothing to do with the NIL collective.

474
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: In theory, obviously they all do because you're paying to play.

475
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: But this is what happens when you have a startup situation,

476
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: which essentially NIL is it becomes the wild wild West.

477
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: And anytime you have the wild wild West, you're gonna

478
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: get a lot of people lying because why would you

479
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: not There aren't any rules. I think it's safe to

480
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: say that this lawsuit probably won't come to fruition. He

481
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: won't end up getting any money out of this situation.

482
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: He I don't blame him for being pissed off, because

483
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: if promises are made at large numbers you think are

484
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: coming and then they don't come. I've been there, You've

485
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 1: been there, We've all been there, you get mad, you

486
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: get angry, and if you have the resources to sue

487
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: someone that you think has money, like Jayden dethn't you

488
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: know has now you can try to take action. But

489
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: he said, she said situations it can become very difficult.

490
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: Now separating the situation to Florida, They're clearly look.

491
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: Like an embarrassment.

492
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: They look bad. Their coach, Billy Napier, is probably on

493
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: one of the hottest seats in the country when it

494
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: comes to major programs. If I was a betting man

495
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: right now, I would say it doesn't go great for

496
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: Florida this year. He's fired and Lane Kiffin is their

497
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: next head coach. But separate from that, these universities and

498
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: the other problem is like you don't want to have

499
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: to deal with this if you're the athletic director of

500
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: the president. So this is not a great look for

501
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: Billy Napier, but for me, any coach making promises to

502
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: do whatever they have to do to get a kid

503
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: to sign, like welcome to college sports kind of part

504
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: of the deal. Think how long it happened in football,

505
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: making a promise to a guy you're gonna be a

506
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: starter right away. Then the moment they sign, it's you

507
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: got to earn your spot, or we told you you

508
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: were gonna play wide receiver, we're gonna start you at corner.

509
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Obviously there's much more emotional now when these numbers get

510
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: thrown out. But one thing talking to all these people

511
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: in college football. The numbers that consistently get thrown out

512
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: are such bullshit. They're so fake. Why wouldn't you throw.

513
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: Out fake numbers?

514
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: You just want to get the guy to commit and

515
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: come and then deal with the ramifications after. So I'm

516
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: not condoning this behavior, but you would be naive to

517
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: think this isn't happening daily in college football. So this

518
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: is a good life lesson for these guys. Like a

519
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: promise doesn't mean shit, put it on paper?

520
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: Is that?

521
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: Why are coming through? Because until it comes through, we've

522
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: all been there. Hey, let's do this deal. Okay, easy

523
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: to say, easy to talk about. Are we actually gonna

524
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: do it? Can I get your bank account information? Can

525
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: I get you to sign the piece of paper right here?

526
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: But that's what the NIL situation currently is, just the

527
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: wild wild West of real money fake money lies. And

528
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: the problem is, and this is why the coaches keep

529
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: complaining about it, is they want regulation. Well, there's no

530
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: one to regulate it. No one respects the NCAA. How

531
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: could you. It's a fucking clown organization. All these conferences

532
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: are in different worlds. Everyone's competing against each other. One

533
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: thing the NFL has everyone's under the same umbrella. Everyone

534
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: is profiting together. The better we do, the better I do.

535
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: That's not the way in college football, and it's that's

536
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: why most people, I would say, assume that one day

537
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: we'll get an NFL style operation forty to fifty teams

538
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: at the Power five level. We'll all be under the

539
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: same umbrella. Pretty easy to kind of figure out what

540
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: teams will be, the haves and the have nots. But

541
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't feel we're that close to getting there. And

542
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: until we get there, we're going to have these situations

543
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: where kids are quote unquote getting lied to constantly. And

544
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: it's one thing to get lied to. Like I said, Hey,

545
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: it happened when I was a kid all the time.

546
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: And even when I worked in recruiting, a guy would

547
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: desperately want to play quarterback. We're like, you can't really throw,

548
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: but god, he's a good athlete. Tell him he's going

549
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: to play quarterback, get him here, and we plan on

550
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: moving him to safety.

551
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Or running back.

552
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Happened constantly. A lot of those guys end up playing

553
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But that's a lie. It's like, and

554
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: once you were there, you couldn't transfer, so you're kind

555
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: of stuck and then you're like, oh, I'm actually a

556
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: pretty good running back. All of a sudden, I become

557
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: a star or an all conference guy. Life's not bad.

558
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: It's another thing when people tell you and your parents

559
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: or your agents, we got two million dollars coming to you,

560
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: and then you're looking at your bank account and the

561
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: money is not there. But I just think this situation,

562
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: we're only at the beginning of the craziness. We're only

563
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the un I hate even the

564
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: word regulated because I don't necessarily know how you quote

565
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: unquote regulate all of this. But we're not even close

566
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: to that. We're in a situation where everyone's just flying

567
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: by the seat of their pants. And when you fly

568
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: by the seat of your pants and there aren't any

569
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: rules or regulations, you do whatever the fuck you want.

570
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Because Peter Gruber's right, break the rules, because most people

571
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: that are successful break rules. You just better be careful

572
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: not to get caught. Now, the thing here is like,

573
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: you're allowed to offer money, right, So he's not technically

574
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: breaking any rules. He just broke a promise of the

575
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: money that was gonna come. And I I just think

576
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: these situations, it's kind of an ugly like I think

577
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: we all agree like pay them, I don't care get money.

578
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: I've never been one of those people who resent anyone

579
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: with money. I think you see a lot of that,

580
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: especially on the internet. Such a terrible loser mindset to have.

581
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: But I do these type situations just become kind of like,

582
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: like can we figure this out? Because this is type

583
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: of stuff that just eventually turns people off.

584
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: I've seen it in golf.

585
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: It's like you're just talking about money, money, money, money,

586
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: one of the games. What are the players, like, who's

587
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: coaching the team. And that's where I think college football

588
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: is kind of in this weird spot where all these

589
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: coaches complain about it cause these guys, some guys don't

590
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: want to technically break the rules, but you don't have

591
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: a choice cause if you're not, you're gonna get fucking lapped.

592
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: You have no shot. Scout told me like a year

593
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: ago that in college football there's something called dark money

594
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: because if I give you an nil, let's just pick

595
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: an even number, one hundred thousand dollars. Well that's on

596
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: paper that the irs knows about, So you're gonna get

597
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: tax on that money, right, Like ten ninet knives and

598
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: you ten ninety nine hundred grand. You're gonna depending on

599
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: where you.

600
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: Live, thirty forty grand.

601
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, the dark money which a lot of these schools,

602
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: the big boys are dealing with, is like, hey, we'll

603
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: give you one hundred grand nil, but will also give

604
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: you one hundred grand untraceable. So technically I'm giving you

605
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: two hundred grand, but you're gonna bank one hundred and

606
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: fifty of it instead of giving you two hundred grand

607
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: where you'd bank one hundred and twenty or one hundred

608
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: and ten. So the whole thing is shady, but of

609
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: course it is. It's the nature of the beast when

610
00:34:48,920 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: there aren't rules. Okay at John Middlecoff is the Instagram

611
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: fire in those dms? Get your question answered on the show.

612
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: Start with John good name. I believe if Howie Roseman

613
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: had the number one and number two pick in the

614
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: draft and couldn't trade out, he would have chosen the

615
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: same two players he had at twenty two and forty.

616
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: Can't believe I have to wait four months to see

617
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: the Eagles in action. I'm going to disagree there. I

618
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: think he would have taken an offensive tackle if he

619
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: was stuck at number one. I think he just would

620
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: have taken Joe Ault because they value offensive linemen greatly

621
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: and Lane's getting up there in age. I think they

622
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: one hundred percent would have taken assuming Joe Alt was

623
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: their number one tackle on the board, But they would

624
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: have gone offensive tackle because there wasn't a defensive lineman

625
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: in this draft good enough to take there. But I

626
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: think they would have gone defensive tackle. Now, would they

627
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: have taken the corner there? They might have because who else?

628
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: They don't need receivers. They wouldn't have taken a receiver obviously,

629
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: don't need a quarterback. Yeah, I think they might have

630
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: taken the Toledo corner there, but I believe.

631
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: That they would have taken an offensive lineman.

632
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Speaker 1: But I hear you. I'd be excited too if I

633
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Speaker 1: were you. In terms of the team mail back question.

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Speaker 1: Love the Pod every Day listener like you. I'm an

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Speaker 3: He put on an incredible show.

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Speaker 1: He works under the forty nine ers umbrella had texted

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Speaker 1: It's the most money I've ever spent on tickets by

647
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: a mile, because game Time didn't have them. It was

648
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: only through this one thing. And I got him and

649
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: I was like, well, we're in Vegas. I've already lost

650
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: probably five seven grand at the tables. Let's go do

651
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: something fun. And he is way better live than he

652
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: is if you just listen to his you know, album music.

653
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: It was a great show. The commentary on bands existing anymore,

654
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: I thought profound and not to go racial, but there's

655
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: barely white American males in music anymore that aren't rappers.

656
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about that Machine Gun Kelly. Yeah. I

657
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: just don't think bands really exist at the same level

658
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: they did when I was a kid. Like, if you

659
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: wanted to go in music, if that was a goal

660
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: of yours, when you would like start a band. People

661
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: at my high school started a band. I just don't

662
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: think people would start a band I miss that we

663
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: just don't have bands. That's why all there's like Nickelback

664
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: and Creed on Instagram. While it's somewhat sarcasm, it's also

665
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: just like people my age just.

666
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: Bands used to exist.

667
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: They just don't feel like they do. I know they

668
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: technically still do, but I saw I think it was

669
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: at Coachilla Sublime, who has one of the great all

670
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: time albums of my life, at least my personal favorite,

671
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: this self titled album. Bradley the lead singer, like a

672
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: lot of those guys, died on drug overdose. His son

673
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: is now the lead singer and did a pretty good

674
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: job singing the songs. Pretty talented, get not an easy

675
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: guy to replace. I love Jared Goff and believe he

676
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: can get us our first ring. How Ever, fifty three

677
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: feels of very rich. Forty five more about right, But

678
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: I digress my question. Do you think the Lions are

679
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: making the same mistake the Cowboys are by paying a

680
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: few players record breaking deals. They've now paid Pinnay, amen

681
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: Ra and Goff one hundred and eleven eleven million dollars

682
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: for the next four years. Three players are now nearly

683
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 1: forty five percent of their cap.

684
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: Well, the cap doesn't work that way.

685
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: I mean, part of the way these contracts operate is

686
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: if I give you one hundred million dollars, the first

687
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: couple of years of your cap hits usually low. Like

688
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's cap last year.

689
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: Was twenty million dollars. This year it goes up.

690
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: Think about Dak Prescott last year of his deal, his

691
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: cap hits have been smaller. So you you fudge the

692
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: books in the way that you write these contracts. I think,

693
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys, this is the I think the one.

694
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't know the solution, and you're never gonna get

695
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: a player not counting on your cap. I know people

696
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: have talked about, like if you draft the quarterback, he

697
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: should only count fifty percent. We've heard all the ideas

698
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: one draftable player doesn't count against your cap. That doesn't

699
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: seem like it's ever had traction in the league. Fun

700
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: for us to talk about it, fans to talk about it,

701
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: but it's never felt even close. But if you draft

702
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: well and draft star players, like high end Pro Bowl

703
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: impact guys, what are you gonna do not sign them? Now?

704
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: The Zeke contract clearly backfired, but the Cowboys had a

705
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: lot of high priced guys like Dak Prescott, he's your quarterback.

706
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: Zach Martin was, I mean, an elite player, Tyron Smith

707
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: for all those years an elite player. I just I

708
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: think when you draft, well, you're kind of getting this position.

709
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: Now.

710
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: You can't pay the wrong guys, right, They paid Jalen

711
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Smith that backfired, paid z that backfired. But I have

712
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: a hard time being critical of paying penay Seol high

713
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: end player, really good at a premium position, Saint Brown.

714
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, the Lions offense, Herman Moore,

715
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: they just would catch so many balls. I'd love playing

716
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: them on video games. Scott Mitchell, the left handed quarterback.

717
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: When you're catching one hundred and ten to one hundred

718
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: and twenty balls a year, like you're gonna get paid

719
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money. And when you're a really good

720
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: player in a team's offense that drafted you, I just

721
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: don't see what you're gonna do. And we can nitpick

722
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: over like ultimately forty five and fifty. There's no difference there.

723
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: There really isn't much of a difference there. I think

724
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: the way these teams look at it, if you really

725
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: like the player is in like three years, the CAP's

726
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: gonna go up another sixty seventy million dollars and it's

727
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: not as big of a hit cap wise. Obviously, all

728
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: the contracts, you'd have to look at all the individual

729
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: ones hit differently different years. But I don't think you

730
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: ever go wrong paying guys to continue to play at

731
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: a high level. Ever, you could argue in all sports

732
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: you get into a bad position when you pay a

733
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: guy and his play diminishes, because ultimately there's a business

734
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: and I need an ROI, so I pay you a lot.

735
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes returns the investment you give Russell Wilson a

736
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: ton of money didn't return on investment. So I think

737
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: that's the way you got to look at it. If

738
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Speaker 1: Sewell keeps being a high end tackle, Saint Brown keeps producing,

739
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: and GoF keeps playing at a pro bowl.

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00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: Level, you won't have any issues.

741
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: Where you get issues is when one of those guys.

742
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: Takes a step back.

743
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: And because they're all young, they're all ascending players.

744
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: Golf isn't.

745
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: But the other two I think you have to feel

746
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: pretty good about your team investing in high end guys

747
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: you're winning with. That's another thing. If you're not winning

748
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: and you extend guys to a lot of money just

749
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: because they're your guys.

750
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: That's where you could have problems.

751
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: The Lions are winning at a pretty high clip, and

752
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: you feel like they're going to be pretty good again.

753
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think there are coaches and

754
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: gms who say no chance when trying to trade for

755
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: a player, example, Pat Mahomes to Washington for five first rounders?

756
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Are all gms looking for a deal or are there

757
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: times when they just say let's kick rocks because there's

758
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: no way to replace that caliber of player. Well, I

759
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: don't even think that phone call would ever exist. Like

760
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: part of it is if you're a GM, GMS deal

761
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: with those conversations more you're not. It's probably I mean

762
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: jokes made on the phone, like what would it cost

763
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: for so and so and you know they're never going

764
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: to trade them to you, but like serious conversations. I

765
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: just don't even think you'd waste your breath with conversations.

766
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: You know, like there's no amount of draft picks that

767
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: you could trade for Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, so

768
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't even come because you know the team. It's

769
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: just a hard no. It's just no chance. Right now,

770
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: I think let's use a guy that new coach, new administration.

771
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: I guess the GM's still there, but like the moment

772
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: Pete gets fired, once the dust settles, are their chances. Hey,

773
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: would you guys trade Dk Metcalf Like those to me

774
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: are more realistic than like, hey, could we get Miles Garrett?

775
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: Would you trade Nick Bosa?

776
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: Like?

777
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: Those are hang ups, But I don't think those conversations

778
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: really happen or get poo pooed so fast that you

779
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: don't even get real So I think there's an element

780
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: of just common sense with some of this stuff.

781
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: And then they're like, damn.

782
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: They asked for that guy, Well, you have to look

783
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: at the individual situation. I just use DK as an example,

784
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying anyone did, but i'd be if

785
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: teams didn't sniff around at the combine with a new coach, right,

786
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: And I think you kind of do that and then

787
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: you get some bigger name guys.

788
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 3: That are just yeah, he'd be available.

789
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of guys in the NFL,

790
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: high end players, non quarterback, that clearly are not available

791
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: that just you couldn't get the guy. Now, if you're

792
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans and someone goes, hey, Laramie Tunzel, three

793
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: first round picks, You're like, well, it makes you think,

794
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: but is anyone offering you that? But because you're like,

795
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: who's going to play left tackle for us? But how

796
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: do we turn three first round picks down? I just

797
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: don't think those conversations happen, probably as much as we

798
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: I've never been a part of those conversations, but just

799
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: knowing the way these gms operate, it just be a

800
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: waste of your time, and time is so valuable to

801
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: all these guys. Now, clearly people have shot for the fences.

802
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: I remember when I was with the Ego, I wasn't

803
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: privy to these conversations. But there are rumors going around

804
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: the office that there was a large, large offer made

805
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: to the Washington football team Commander's redskins for RG III

806
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: when they traded up to draft them I think, or

807
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: maybe right before, like several first rounders to shun Jackson.

808
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: But a lot of those things feel pretty untrue. It's

809
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: just hard to know. Some crazy trades get offered during

810
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: the draft, or at least like, hey, would there be

811
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: any interest. I'm sure Washington got a lot of those

812
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: this year, and Adam Peter said, I made it pretty

813
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: clear early on, like we're not moving. So if you

814
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: know he's not moving, it's not like if I just

815
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: walked up to your house right now, if you live

816
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: in a five hundred thousand dollars house, I knocked on

817
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: the door and I said, hey, I offer you eight

818
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: hundred grand, and he bought the thing for three hundred,

819
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: So you'd make a lot of money. You'd be like, well,

820
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: interest rates are high, I gotta move my shit. It'd

821
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: be you could eat. I like living here, school's close,

822
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: my job's closed. It's not life changing money. But if

823
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: I knocked on that door and offered you four million dollars,

824
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: you'd be like, you want me to move your stuff in?

825
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: So there's always numbers and prices trades in business that

826
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: you just can't say no to. But I think it's

827
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: pretty rare. Those situations even get I would say brought up,

828
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: because if you do bring it up, are you ready

829
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on that offer? Okay, I'll do it.

830
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: Teams would trade an ungodly amount for mahomes, but they

831
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: would never trade mahomes. They'd all quit before they ever

832
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: did that. Big fan of the pod, what is the

833
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: likelihood the day Ball gets fired after this year. As

834
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: a Giants fan, I think he should get a chance

835
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: to pick his quarterback because last year he had one

836
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: of the best coaching seasons I've ever seen with limited talent.

837
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: Totally agree. He was my coach of the Year two

838
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 1: years ago. I thought winning nine games with that shit

839
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: roster with Daniel Jones throwing fifteen touchdowns was, I mean,

840
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: an incredible coaching job. But last year wasn't just bad.

841
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: It was all the other stuff going on internally that

842
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: I think this year if it gets weird again, like

843
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: look at the Giants' history, They've kind of become the

844
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: opposite of the Steelers, even though when you think about

845
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: like historic NFL franchises, you know, the Bears, the Packers,

846
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: the Giants, like these are like, you know, they have long,

847
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: long runways of being like consistent franchises. Well, they went.

848
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: They fired Sherman after two years, they fired mcadow after

849
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: two years, they fired Joe Judge after two years. I

850
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I mean, you gotta win. This is

851
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: a team that hasn't been in the playoffs in a while,

852
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: that has just has one of the worst records in

853
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: the league. Over the last handful of years. The Daniel

854
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: Jones situation. I don't know this for sure, but I

855
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: think it's fair to guess that was pretty owner driven,

856
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: though I don't think Dave Ball wasn't on board with

857
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: him as the quarterback. Let's just use hypothetical here. They

858
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: win five games and the offense is terrible. Will you

859
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: get to the you know, to a situation where you're like, well, okay,

860
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: our defense is okay, and we're competitive team in games,

861
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: but we lose it all the time, and our offensive, well,

862
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: this is an offensive coach, So if the offense isn't working,

863
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: can this guy fix it? Can this guy get us

864
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: going in the right direction. I do think the situation

865
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: with the assistant, and I understand Wink has a big

866
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: ego too, but I don't think the Giants like that crap.

867
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: So I think there's gonna be tangible pressure on them

868
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: to be not just competitive this year, but to just

869
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: feel a little less crazy. I mean, they kind of

870
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: felt had a Jets vibe during the season and after

871
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: the season, and they're not the Jets like that in theory,

872
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: they have much more stable ownership. But I don't know

873
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: if I was a betting man right now, I don't

874
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: think the Giants are gonna be any good been wrong before.

875
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: This is from Brown's fan in Sincy. Do you think

876
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: it's a possibility that the Browns will turn it over

877
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: to Winston if Deshaun is struggling after a few weeks.

878
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: I've bet some Browns fans in my mentions being like

879
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: you told Colin you think they're gonna suck, Like what, listen?

880
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: I think Stefanski's a good coach.

881
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: I think obviously they have talented, high end guys on

882
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: their roster.

883
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 3: But if your.

884
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: Quarterback is not good, you have a major situation on

885
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: your hands. I think we all agree that the way

886
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: Watson played subtract the one half of football, which is

887
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: easily the best half of football he played in like

888
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: a three year period. It was objectively awful. So my

889
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: take on the guy. And someone's like, you're just biased

890
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: about the massage. I don't give a shit about the

891
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: massage stuff though. I mean, I judge you your decision

892
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: making and wouldn't ideally want you as my quarterback, but

893
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: if you were sweet, like whatever, look past it. He's bad,

894
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: so he's been bad. Then he gets injured and I'm

895
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: just supposed to assume he's gonna be good this year.

896
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: I think we've learned in recent memory, like when a

897
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: guy starts showing you for a while he's not that good,

898
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: you just kind of gotta believe him. So I'm betting

899
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: on Deshaun Watson not.

900
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: Being a good player.

901
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: And if he's not a good player, I don't care

902
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: if Miles Garrett has seven hundred sacks. I think we

903
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: all agree it's got hard to win games when your

904
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: quarterback play is poor. And Nick Chubb, who at least

905
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: you could lean on the run game like, had a

906
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: devastating injury. Devastating if you told me Chubb was there,

907
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: Even if Deshawn's just average, you could probably get to ten.

908
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: I don't look at it like that. So I think

909
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: they're in a weird situation because of how much money

910
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: they're paying them. I have a hard time seeing them

911
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: bench them. It would all come down to how much

912
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: juice Stefanski has and if he's playing shitty, is the

913
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: owner cool with it and just kind of eating the

914
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: money and whatever. But I am assuming that Watson is

915
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: going to be like the guy we have seen. I mean,

916
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: last year there were moments where he was playing like

917
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: a bottom two or three quarterback in the NFL. You

918
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 1: could watch a couple series.

919
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: Of them and just be like, what is going on?

920
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: I don't see it. The player that they paid for

921
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: and traded for. We are so far.

922
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 3: Removed from that guy.

923
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: That's the thing. We are so far removed from that

924
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: player years ago, the guy that we saw in Houston

925
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: in the late twenty teens, eighteen nineteen, like this version.

926
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: Remember he didn't play a year. Then he was suspended

927
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: like then last year he gets injured. Like we have

928
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: a large body of time between high end Pro Bowl

929
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: difference maker guy and the guy we've seen in recent

930
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: and a lot less experience on the field. He hasn't

931
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: been played, he's been injured. His obviously his cappit is massive.

932
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: So jamis I don't know if jamis is the answer,

933
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: but I would be nervous if I was a Browns fan,

934
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: not about most of my team.

935
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 3: Good Nick Chubb injury sucks. That guy's a stud.

936
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: Question if you were the Vikings, how would you go

937
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: about handling JJ McCarthy. When would you look to start him?

938
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: If the Vikings are winning under Donald do you risk

939
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: pulling him, or is jj redshirt this year and debuts

940
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: next season. In a perfect world, if you're the Vikings

941
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: and this is a quote unquote transitional year, you're in

942
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: the wild card mix, you're hovering around five hundred, you're

943
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: five and five or four and three or seven and seven,

944
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: and you're just in the wild card hunt and you

945
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: never have to plan him and he gets the Patrick

946
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: Mahomes treatment, he gets the red shirt. I would say

947
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: that's a fifty to fifty proposition because Donald most people

948
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: think suck, Kyle Shanahan doesn't think he sucks, and Kevin O'Connell.

949
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: Doesn't think he sucks.

950
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: But there's pressure on him, like if you're any good

951
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: with these weapons, assuming they get justin Jefferson's situation, his contract,

952
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, they get a deal. You got him, you

953
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: got Jordan Addison, you got an offensive coach, get some

954
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: good offensive lineman. You're off and running, and Darnold could

955
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: have a solid year. But if it doesn't go well,

956
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: like most people think he stinks, he's clearly not as

957
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: good as I thought one time, once upon a time.

958
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: But I am pretty intrigued to watch him under Kevin O'Connell.

959
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: But if you're losing. The kid's gonna play. Just the

960
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: way the NFL.

961
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: Works, No one's gonna want to watch a bridge quarterback

962
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: for a team that's three and six if you're three

963
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: and six or four and six, like Jaj's gonna play

964
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: whether he's ready or not. That's just the way football

965
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: works in the modern day landscape. We've seen it constantly

966
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: with these guys that you want to go with the

967
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: bridge guy and then it's like your team's not as good,

968
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: and then boom that guy comes in and ideally you

969
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: hope it doesn't ruin his confidence, But I'm always a

970
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: believer the only way you get better is to experience,

971
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: and most of the time with that experience early on

972
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: is rocky that that's actually the best learning tool you

973
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: can have. I think Jared Goff that Jared Goff got

974
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: that with the Rings because his rookie year, it couldn't

975
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: have gone any worse. It couldn't have gotten any worse.

976
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: Next year, McVeigh comes and he looks good, like for

977
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: a shitty as last year was for Bryce Young the reps.

978
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: He got, the experience he got seeing different defenses, the

979
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: understanding of the NFL speed that can only help you. Obviously,

980
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: then you have to turn that into a positive. But

981
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: that's only a negative if you hold on to that

982
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: negative forever. Bad experiences, to me are the best learning

983
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: experiences by a country mile. And I say it all

984
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: the time, like the only way I know that I learn,

985
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: and I think for most people is like through experience.

986
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: You can write in a notebook, you can have theories,

987
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: you can have all these ideas, but until you try

988
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: them out and fail with those and figure out what works,

989
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: it's the way you improve. So Patrick Mahomes situation just

990
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often anymore. A guy drafted high Red Shirts.

991
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: But it was easy because they were winning, an Alex

992
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: Smith was having a career year and they won the division.

993
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: I think we all agree Minnesota's probably not gonna win

994
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: the division. Honestly, They're probably I mean there's a season chance.

995
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: I would imagine most people I haven't thought this far

996
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: are gonna pick them to finish last. Lions, Packers and

997
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: the Bears. I mean, those three teams that could all

998
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: win ten to twelve games. Someone's gotta lose. Not everyone

999
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: can win. Ravens and Bills have got to be sick.

1000
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: This year was supposed to be the rebuilding year.

1001
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: For the Chiefs and they still won the Super Bowl.

1002
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: How can any AFC teams finally beat Mahomes? I said

1003
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: this when the schedule came out, because I like wrote

1004
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: down the chief schedule, and then as I'm talking, I

1005
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: just realized, like, what in what world am I breaking

1006
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: down the Chief schedule? Lock them in AFC West chainampions

1007
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: and eleven to thirteen wins. We don't even need a debate.

1008
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose some games, They're gonna have a weird

1009
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: moment or two. But like the evidence now, it's pointless

1010
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: to break that down. You could argue every other team

1011
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: in the league. Fair game, that team no point Now.

1012
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: If you want to buy tickets or you know, season

1013
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: ticket holder, I totally get it, But I just mean

1014
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: analyze wins, losses or hard or not like who No,

1015
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: we are not doing that anymore to me. The Ravens

1016
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: the Bills, they had so many injuries, their defenders were

1017
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: gone that they weren't gonna.

1018
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: Win that game.

1019
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: To me, the Ravens got to have a tough taste

1020
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: in their mouth this offseason. Their team was arguably better

1021
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: man demand top to bottom. The guys they were rolling

1022
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: out on the field versus the Chiefs, and Lamar, who

1023
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: had played the best football of his life just a

1024
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: couple of weeks removed from kicking the Niners ass he

1025
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: was rolling. He was them have home field defense is elite.

1026
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: The Chiefs did not score a point in the second half,

1027
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: and he played hitty, him and the offensive coordinator. I

1028
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: don't know who to blame the most. If you want

1029
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: to blame Monken, don't blame you. I had five large

1030
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: on that game and that sucked. They didn't run Lamar.

1031
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: He got tight. I equated to like in Tiger Woods Prime.

1032
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: You can be beating him and then you just kind

1033
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: of get tight as it goes because you're like, I

1034
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: can't make a mistake, and then you get tighter. Part

1035
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: of beating a great player when you're a great player

1036
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: is playing loose like that guy is playing loose, matching

1037
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: his level. And it just kind of unraveled. The offense

1038
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: was off the scheme. Josh Allen had just run for

1039
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: like eighty yards the previous week. Early on in that game,

1040
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: on like a fourth and short, Lamar busted a twenty

1041
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: five yard run. It's like, let him move around and

1042
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: they kind of keep him in the pocket. He was

1043
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: skipping balls.

1044
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't think the Bills are kicking themselves. I think

1045
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: the Ravens are.

1046
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Lose their defensive coordinator. Like that was the Ravens moment.

1047
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: Then you get the Niners. You would just beat the

1048
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: shit out of them. Even the Niners like it sucks

1049
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: losing that game, but like it. Jeeves kind of on.

1050
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: You love the pod, buddy of mine, got me onto

1051
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: it a couple of years ago. What makes your blood

1052
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: boil more? Someone arguing Kip Kelly isn't a fraud or

1053
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: the tip option at a grab and go beer stand

1054
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: at the stadium, Well, the tip thing, I mean, we

1055
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: all know you just tippings everywhere you know you could.

1056
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: It's just it's we're inundated with it now, so it's pointless.

1057
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: You know, everywhere you're gonna turn, tip's gonna be asked

1058
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: for you to give forty seven percent on a three

1059
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: dollars purchase. Here's the thing with Chip Kelly. I don't

1060
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: know the guy personally, and there were moments where obviously

1061
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: he was one of the most innovative and good offensive

1062
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: coaches in all of football, but his treatment of people

1063
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: and his actions speak for themselves. I mean that podcast

1064
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: those guys put on. When does that ever happen with

1065
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: any coach? And we know players hate certain coaches. That's

1066
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: never happened ever, and it'd be one thing. It's like,

1067
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: oh to Shaun and Lashawn. You know, Shady got traded,

1068
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: DeShawn got cut. Of course those two guys hate him.

1069
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: Jason Peters didn't. He can't stand him. Brandon Graham's like

1070
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: one of the nominees every year for Man of the Year,

1071
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Speaker 1: high level guy, team captain for the Eagles for like

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Speaker 1: a decade. Can't stand him. Jeremy Macklin never had any issues.

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Speaker 1: I think I feel pretty good about my stants. And

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Speaker 1: like I said, I don't even think it was just

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Speaker 1: players that was their perspective. It was the treatment of

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Speaker 1: people in the front office, it was the scouts. He

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Speaker 1: just you just saw his actions at UCLA, and the

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Speaker 1: media defends him because some of them know him, you know,

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Speaker 1: Clatt and Coward. I just think he's the ultimate scumback.

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know what else say. Some people are

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: just scumbacks, right, And in his mind maybe he's not.

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just super selfish, doesn't care. But when you're

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Speaker 1: the headman. The way you treat people, he's awful at it.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I think Ucla, I don't know if Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Foster is going to be any good. Love Deshaun Foster

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01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: as a player back at UCLA, he was a star.

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Speaker 1: It's not an easy place to win. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not at some powerhouse football program. But it's just what

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Speaker 1: a bizarre career, That's what I would say, what a

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01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: bizarre career. He revolutionizes his offense at Oregon, gets the

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Speaker 1: Eagle job and has a pretty good first year, easily

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01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: could have won the playoff game, and then it unravels.

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Speaker 1: Run out of town. I mean, they couldn't get rid

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: of them fast enough. Somehow the forty nine ers hired him.

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Speaker 1: He had the worst season in forty nine or history,

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01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: worst defense they've ever had. They won two games, which

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Speaker 1: ultimately led to Nick Bosa, and then he takes a

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: year off to go to the media, which he the

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Speaker 1: disdain that man has for those guys I always love,

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01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: and Jim Moore Junior did this. Guys that hate the media,

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: and then when they get fired, their egos and their

1102
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: narcissm is so big they have to get in front

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01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: of a camera. Listen, you want to get in the media,

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Speaker 1: I got no problem, but like treat them like you don't.

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Speaker 1: You just get fired and you're desperate to kind of

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Speaker 1: keep your name. You don't like that job, and Florida

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01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: almost hired him, UCLA hired him, and then he left

1108
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: for an offensive coordinator job because Ryan Day is his guy.

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01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: Now they might be okay because Harbaugh's gone now. But man,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's that hard to treat people well.

1111
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: And when you're a head coach, when you're you know,

1112
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: the CEO, like a lot of people are looking at

1113
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: you and your true colors come out, you can treat

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01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: people who are you, don't. I mean, it really gets

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01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: back to basic like when you're a kid and your

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01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: parents teach you to be nice to people. Obviously it

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: changes when you're asking them to do stuff. I'm not

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01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: saying everyone when you're a boss needs to like you

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: and you have to be nice and hold their hand

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Speaker 1: all the fucking time. I'm just saying, on a consistent basis,

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Speaker 1: are you a scumbagger?

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Speaker 3: Are you not?

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Speaker 1: I think history is pretty strong on my side. No

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Speaker 1: more talking about that guy, go Blue as a Seahawks fan,

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Speaker 1: I struggle to understand why Gino Smith gets so much hate.

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01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: He had the NFL record for go ahead touchdowns last

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Speaker 1: season and his tenth in the league in QBR over

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Speaker 1: the last two years behind one of the worst lines

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Speaker 1: in the league. Ah you guys have been blaming the

1130
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: old line for a long time. I think you're too young.

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01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: I know you had some injuries last year, but two

1132
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: young tackles are pretty good in a scheme that refused

1133
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: to allow him to throw into the middle of the field,

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Speaker 1: As evidence by the public frustration of.

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Speaker 3: JSN, I think that's Jackson Smith and Jigba.

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Speaker 1: He's been at the Pro Bowl both seasons and was

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Speaker 1: in the top five and twenty two in completion rate, touchdowns,

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: and passer ratings, and also doesn't have the mileage of

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01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: your usual thirty three year old quarterback. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Gino's necessarily elite or he'll be here for five or

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Speaker 1: ten years, but I think that if the defense has

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Speaker 1: been even middling in the last two years, the tune

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Speaker 1: of Gino would be so much different. I think there

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: is a world that if Gino is given time to

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: throw like he should be able in the new offense.

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Speaker 1: He could surprise some people. You guys, Seattle fans have

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01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: blamed the offensive coordinator for a decade. A decade blaming

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. It's always the offensive coordinator's fault. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Gino gets that much hate. Everyone gives

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01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: him his appreciation. Incredible career turnaround. But two years ago

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Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers in the playoff game, this year,

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01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: I just if you watch Geno Smith and feel like

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Speaker 1: you can compete at a high level in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. You've seen Russell Wilson

1155
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: in his prime was a completely different universes Gino, and

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Speaker 1: it was hard to win in the playoffs with that. Obviously,

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01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: your defense has been a problem. One of the reasons

1158
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: Pete was run out of town because you invested all

1159
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: that and defensive players in the draft and trades in

1160
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Speaker 1: your defense was putree. I'm not blaming Gino for that,

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Speaker 1: but I have a hard time and listen, Gino, he's

1162
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Speaker 1: not like the twenty fifth best quarterback in the league,

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Speaker 1: but he's probably you give me out a statu you want.

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Speaker 1: They're probably fifteen guys, maybe at twelve with ease you're

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Speaker 1: taking over them. I would say thirteen fourteen, let's just

1166
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Speaker 1: go the NFC this year on the good teams. Who

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Speaker 1: is Gino Smith getting picked ahead of Jared Goff? No

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01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, No, Dak Prescott, no Jordan Love, no, Brock Purty,

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Speaker 1: no teams Matt Stafford, no chance, Caleb Williams No. Uh Baker.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're.

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Speaker 3: Talking about now.

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Speaker 1: You do Baker? You know, won a playoff game, Cauld Gino.

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Speaker 1: I think Baker's team's a lot better. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: would take Tampa's roster over Seattle's. I just have a

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Speaker 1: hard time. You guys just always blame the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: It's always been the offensive Russell Wilson was the only

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Speaker 1: high level quarterback. If you have a good Pro Bowl quarterback,

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Speaker 1: your assistants always get head coaching jobs. Russell's always got fired.

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Speaker 1: Think about all the good successful coaches did. Our offensive

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Speaker 1: guys always come from productive quarterbacks. Everyone trying to hire

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Why Jared Goff?

1183
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted Shange Steichen, what he did with.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: Mcvay's guys with Goff and Stafford, Kyle's guys with Jimmy

1186
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Speaker 1: and purty. All Seattle's offensive coordinators got shit, can't They

1187
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: can't all suck. I'm not saying there Kyle Shanahan or

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay, but I think we always point the finger

1189
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Seahawks, like, oh, their offensive coordinator idiot.

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01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: Remember it was like, you can't run them, let Russell cook.

1191
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: They let them cook. They burned the cheese burgers and

1192
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: the barbecue was on fire and the oven blew up.

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01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 1: So I would say the offensive coordinator was pretty positive

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: when it came to Gino, because when Gino Smith started

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: playing for Seattle, most people thought he sucked. Then two

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01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: years later you rat off some stats. He's a pretty

1197
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: productive player. Is he good enough to win in the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Is it good enough to get to the playoffs? Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll be wrong and it sounds like, hey, I love

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: his story. I'm pro Gino, but I'm not pro Gino

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Speaker 1: doing vic things. I don't see it. The volume