Speaker 1: Oh. Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Manky. We go deeper
Speaker 1: and deeper, deeper, sleep for our asleep, deeper and deeper,
Speaker 1: fully relaxed, almost as a relaxed, comfortable, relaxed. You will
Speaker 1: not be anxious. You are discussed. If you will remember
Speaker 1: everything and you will tell me everything. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: I will stop, I will stop, all right. The story
Speaker 1: that Betty and Barney told under hypnosis was extraordinary, a
Speaker 1: tale of alien encounter unlike anything before it, an account
Speaker 1: so detailed that the story itself seemed to offer possible
Speaker 1: proof that it was more than a delusion. It began
Speaker 1: with Barney turning off the highway and onto a rural road.
Speaker 1: I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals, Episode three,
Speaker 1: What's Yellow. Though the Hill's abduction experience was the first
Speaker 1: to become widely known, their supposed case wasn't the first
Speaker 1: of its kind. About four years before the couple's experience,
Speaker 1: another possible abduction had taken place on a farm in
Speaker 1: the Meanest Jerai's region of Brazil. History professor and host
Speaker 1: of the sacer Life podcast, Aaron Gullias Antonio villis Bois
Speaker 1: in South America. Seven is out in the field and
Speaker 1: encounters a a UFO and he's taken aboard it. But
Speaker 1: it's not sort of a typical nineteen fifties contact. The experience.
Speaker 1: There are strange looking people on the craft and they're
Speaker 1: they're human ish, but they're not human um and there's
Speaker 1: there's one figure in particular, a he identifies the figures
Speaker 1: female with with red hair and a pale body. And
Speaker 1: he's taken into a room and medical tests are performed
Speaker 1: on him, and he's strapped down and he's naked, and
Speaker 1: then he has a sexual encounter with this woman. And
Speaker 1: the impression we get from the tale that's told to
Speaker 1: a researcher who then tells it to people from the
Speaker 1: American Organization a PRO who were the first to sort
Speaker 1: of publish an English language sort of report of this
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen fifties is that they were extracting seamen,
Speaker 1: probably for whatever experimental purpose they had. After the encounter,
Speaker 1: hillis BoA's is disoriented, in pain, he's got a headache,
Speaker 1: some vision problems, vertigo, all kinds of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and he tells his story and he finds a researcher
Speaker 1: and tells him the story. And no matter how many
Speaker 1: times he tells his story, it remains remarkably consistent. It's
Speaker 1: not from hypnosis, it's from his conscious memory of what
Speaker 1: went on. And he's just a regular guy. He's working.
Speaker 1: He will eventually go to law school and become a lawyer.
Speaker 1: I believe he's got nothing to gain really by telling
Speaker 1: this outlandish and frankly embarrassing story. And there's some strange
Speaker 1: details in it that are just really interesting. The woman
Speaker 1: will call them a woman being on the saucer that
Speaker 1: has the sexual encounter with him. She screams like an animal,
Speaker 1: so that this this inhuman animalistic noise emanates from her
Speaker 1: and greatly disturbs him, and he sort of aroused, sort
Speaker 1: of despite himself, and is literally forced into this act.
Speaker 1: And it's troubling and it's awkward and it's strange, and
Speaker 1: like I said, there's nothing, there's no upside to sharing
Speaker 1: this with people, but he does share it. Villis Bois
Speaker 1: essentially claimed he was sexually assaulted by a feral spacewoman.
Speaker 1: He would say that before they left, this woman rubbed
Speaker 1: her belly and pointed up towards the stars. He understood
Speaker 1: this to mean that she was taking what would be
Speaker 1: their baby back to where she'd come from. Villis Bois
Speaker 1: story made it to the US before Betty and Barney
Speaker 1: Hill's experience, but it seems very unlikely that either Betty
Speaker 1: or Barney would have known of it. Aaron mentioned APRO
Speaker 1: for and does again here it's an acritive for the
Speaker 1: Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, a UFO research group at the time.
Speaker 1: APRO published the story in their newsletter in the late
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, and I think their book, Flying Saucer Occupants
Speaker 1: came out in the late fifties or early sixties, and
Speaker 1: it's in this book, Flying Saucer Occupants, which was published
Speaker 1: in a you know, pocketbook paperback format that was on
Speaker 1: all the news stands. That's where most people read about
Speaker 1: the story. So as far as the case being well known,
Speaker 1: it would have been well known to people who read
Speaker 1: UFO books. It would not have been well known to
Speaker 1: the general public or people driving down the road in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire in the mid sixties. I wouldn't think for
Speaker 1: Betty and Barney, though their UFO sighting was different. It
Speaker 1: started with a light in the sky, and reached a
Speaker 1: climax when they encountered a spaceship near Indian Head. That
Speaker 1: story ended when they arrived home in Portsmouth, New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: at least two hours later than they had expected. They
Speaker 1: had continuous memory of these events, That is, there was
Speaker 1: no perceivable gap between the events and Betty and Barney's
Speaker 1: ability to recall them. In the days following the encounter,
Speaker 1: Betty had unusually vivid dreams about being aboard a spaceship,
Speaker 1: but neither she nor Barney actually remembered anything. The memory
Speaker 1: of these events only emerged two years later. During the
Speaker 1: first half of nine four, the Hills made the hour
Speaker 1: long drive to the Boston office of Dr Benjamin Simon.
Speaker 1: During separate hypnosis sessions with Dr Simon, Betty and Barney
Speaker 1: told very similar stories about being brought aboard in alien spacecraft.
Speaker 1: So what exactly happened to Barney and Betty Hill during
Speaker 1: those two missing hours? After Betty and Barney turned off
Speaker 1: into the woods, they found themselves in a sort of trance.
Speaker 1: They remember being escorted through the woods to where the
Speaker 1: UFO waited. Betty said Barney was totally out of it
Speaker 1: and provided no resistance. Betty struggled but was no match
Speaker 1: for the beings. They were brought up a ramp and
Speaker 1: into the ship. Barney from a May nine six radio interview.
Speaker 1: I was carried bare with one door into another door,
Speaker 1: and there was this room with pie shape, but as
Speaker 1: I described it much like a pie with the point
Speaker 1: of the pie. And it was just one table that
Speaker 1: was very small for my body. I'm about my for
Speaker 1: the eight where I like, I got onto the table myself,
Speaker 1: and I am continually hearing this voice that is telling
Speaker 1: me that no harm is going to come to me.
Speaker 1: Is on the amount of you uh tists that are
Speaker 1: going to think of solfs to some calm about with
Speaker 1: no damaging stuff. The next several clips feature Betty, recorded
Speaker 1: decades later in the nineties and nineties. So I went
Speaker 1: on board the craft and I went into an unlighted carrada,
Speaker 1: and then I was taken into the first room. But
Speaker 1: and he was taken into the second room. And at
Speaker 1: this point the purposes of identification, I now call him
Speaker 1: the leader, but under hypnosis I always refer to him
Speaker 1: as the one who speaks English. And so he was
Speaker 1: in the room and then they examined it came in
Speaker 1: and there were nine others who stayed in the carrada.
Speaker 1: I haven't taken into this first room, and it was
Speaker 1: like there. It was at small table, it was a stool,
Speaker 1: and then the wall the dough they were does in
Speaker 1: the wall that would slide back and full. And they
Speaker 1: put me on a still, checked my eyes, is nose, throat,
Speaker 1: my feet, my hands, and they later would look at
Speaker 1: my skin and then they examined. They could two turns
Speaker 1: looking at my skin, and they were all the time
Speaker 1: they're carrying on this conversation very excited, like in their
Speaker 1: own language, which I had never heard before. Then they
Speaker 1: said put me on the table and said they wanted
Speaker 1: to check my nervous system and they use some special
Speaker 1: kind of equipment to do this. UFO researcher and Betty
Speaker 1: Hill's niece Kathleen Martin, they were very interested in every
Speaker 1: opening in her body, into looking at everything. They were
Speaker 1: especially interested in her teeth, their joints. They removed their shoes,
Speaker 1: they moved their joints, their fingers, their toes, their arms,
Speaker 1: their legs, and then they appeared to have done neurological
Speaker 1: testing on Betty and Barney as well. Betty stated that
Speaker 1: they had placed a stylish kind of thing on her back.
Speaker 1: Betty continues the story from the transcript of her March
Speaker 1: four hypnosis session, as read by an actress. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on the stool and there's this little bracket and
Speaker 1: my head is resting against the bracket, and the examina
Speaker 1: opened my eyes and he looks in them with a light,
Speaker 1: and he opens my mouth and he looks at my
Speaker 1: throat and my teeth, and he looks in my ears.
Speaker 1: And then he turned my head and he looks in
Speaker 1: this here, and then he takes out like a swab
Speaker 1: or a q tip. I guess it is like like
Speaker 1: they was on abies, and he cleaned out and he
Speaker 1: puts it in my left ear, and then he puts
Speaker 1: this on another piece of material, and the leader takes
Speaker 1: it and he rolls it up and he puts it
Speaker 1: in the top drawer too. Then then he feels my
Speaker 1: hair and then the back of my neck, and then
Speaker 1: they take a couple of strands of my hair and
Speaker 1: they pull it out and he gives us to the
Speaker 1: leader and he wraps that all up and he puts
Speaker 1: that in the top drawer. And then he takes something
Speaker 1: that maybe like scissors. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: And they caught a piece of my hair. Here he
Speaker 1: starts feeling behind my years and under my chin, and
Speaker 1: down my neck and throw my shoulders around my collar
Speaker 1: phone and then they take off my shoes and they
Speaker 1: look at my feet, and they look at my hands.
Speaker 1: Daddy was taken to this table where they moved her dress.
Speaker 1: They did not know how to undo a zipper, and
Speaker 1: so they ended up tearing the top of Betty's dress.
Speaker 1: And then she showed them how to unzip that zipper.
Speaker 1: The dress fell into a pile on the floor and
Speaker 1: her slip was pulled up. And then the final test
Speaker 1: was they tried to insert a needle like instrument in
Speaker 1: my navel. We say some of the pregnancy test that
Speaker 1: it caused a great deal of pain, so they stopped
Speaker 1: doing this. And this was and at that time we
Speaker 1: didn't have any kind of testing like this. It was
Speaker 1: like that we developed him. She's talking about amniocentesis, a
Speaker 1: test used with pregnant women that can determine the gender
Speaker 1: of a fetus, as well as any possible infections or
Speaker 1: chromosomal abnormalities. It was under development in but wasn't presented
Speaker 1: to the public until Betty, of course, was not pregnant.
Speaker 1: It caused so much pain to Betty that she screamed
Speaker 1: in agony, and she writhed the leader removed her pain
Speaker 1: by doing something up around her head. And generally, the
Speaker 1: one that she called the leader that we now call
Speaker 1: the escort, who is with experiencers time and time again
Speaker 1: when they are taken, is the one who does most
Speaker 1: of the communication, is the one who establishes a relationship
Speaker 1: with that human subject, and also who removes any pain
Speaker 1: or any anxiety or fear that the subject is experiencing.
Speaker 1: Dr Simon had to end that session early due to
Speaker 1: the degree of trauma that Betty was experiencing. In the
Speaker 1: next session that he came to, the physician had left
Speaker 1: the room. He had gone to do Barney's examination. Betty
Speaker 1: didn't know that at the time, but that's what was
Speaker 1: taking place in the next room. Over strange arrivals will
Speaker 1: return in a moment. Betty recounted being given a kind
Speaker 1: of physical examination, including a painful procedure involving a needle
Speaker 1: being inserted in her navel. When the exam was completed,
Speaker 1: the being that she called the physician left the room,
Speaker 1: though she didn't know it at the time. He'd gone
Speaker 1: to see Barney from the radio a new view. I
Speaker 1: offered no resistance, No, I love me concerned about Betty's
Speaker 1: well aware about I feel a little guilty as a
Speaker 1: husbital to not be concerned about my life. But this
Speaker 1: is such a terrifying situation that I was already concerned
Speaker 1: about myself and I was being assured that I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be hard. So that I was faced on
Speaker 1: this table where my jobs were removed, and my shirt
Speaker 1: was pulled up with my head which would have made
Speaker 1: my back. My under shirt was sold up along with
Speaker 1: it where my back would have been there, and I
Speaker 1: was turned over on my back and my stomach as
Speaker 1: well as uh well, I could feel what I called
Speaker 1: a being going up and down the final column. With
Speaker 1: this examination, uh, I remembered a plug at my teeth,
Speaker 1: and this is the way I described. And also while
Speaker 1: in this position of being damned, I opened my eyes
Speaker 1: again compleadingly, because I could hear a kind of noise
Speaker 1: as if people or someone was talking. I opened my
Speaker 1: eyes and I looked, and I saw these three short maths.
Speaker 1: And this is when I got a good look at
Speaker 1: the face. I immediately closed my eyes because what I
Speaker 1: saw was terrifying by standard, it doesn't mean that they
Speaker 1: were terrifying. Well, how would you describe yourself? I saw
Speaker 1: this kind of grayish color, and wasn't I think, because
Speaker 1: most people they're not When saw the little green men,
Speaker 1: and they were not green, then they were a grayish,
Speaker 1: metallic kind of gray in color. And I might also
Speaker 1: say that I'm quite sure they were not wearing a
Speaker 1: mask or rather any kind of apparatus over the head
Speaker 1: for breathing purposes, because I could see what would have
Speaker 1: been about a thin line without a lip muffle, that
Speaker 1: when potty went open, there was a membrane inside that
Speaker 1: fluttered really right at the end of the month itself,
Speaker 1: and it fluttered. And this seems to be a way
Speaker 1: that they communicated with one another with a very peculiar
Speaker 1: kind of properly. This is from the transcript of Barney's
Speaker 1: February twenty ninth session, as read by an actor. I
Speaker 1: was buying on a table and my flyer was open,
Speaker 1: and I thought, are they putting the cup around my
Speaker 1: private parts? And then stopped and I thought, how funny.
Speaker 1: I thought, how funny if I keep real quiet and
Speaker 1: real still. I won't be harmed, and it will be over,
Speaker 1: and I will just stay here and pretend that I
Speaker 1: am anywhere, and think of God and think of Jesus,
Speaker 1: and think I am not afraid. They also examined Barney's
Speaker 1: mouth and found something that surprised them. They rushed to
Speaker 1: Betty's room to get more information. They came running into
Speaker 1: the room, some of them, and they had dentures in
Speaker 1: their hands. Well, I guess. When they checked Barney's mouth,
Speaker 1: they noticed that his teeth were removable, but Betty's were not.
Speaker 1: So they were very curious about what was going on,
Speaker 1: and they tried to pull Betty's teeth out, but she
Speaker 1: explained that some humans lose their teeth. This led to
Speaker 1: a very confusing exchange between Betty and the leader, again
Speaker 1: from Betty's hypnosis session on March four, and the leader says,
Speaker 1: does this happen to many people? And he was very arm,
Speaker 1: He acted as if he didn't believe me. And I said, well, yes,
Speaker 1: it happened almost everyone as they get older. And he said,
Speaker 1: well what's older? And I said old age? So he
Speaker 1: said what's old age? And I said, well, it varies,
Speaker 1: but as a person gets older, there are changes in him,
Speaker 1: particularly physically. He sort of begins to break down with
Speaker 1: old age, and so he said, well, what is age?
Speaker 1: It was very apparent that I was using words that
Speaker 1: although he spoke English, his knowledge or the meanings or
Speaker 1: most of our words were foreign to him. And I
Speaker 1: just couldn't seem to find the right words to make
Speaker 1: him understand. So then he said diet. What's diet? So
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, that's the foods wet and so I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell him about the foods. And I said
Speaker 1: vegetables and he says, what's vegetables? Well, I was tell
Speaker 1: explaining we have many of them. Uh, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: about squash. So I said, squash is yellow, and he says,
Speaker 1: what's yellow? Yeah, so I look all around it. There's
Speaker 1: nothing yellow. So we didn't get along too well, and
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to explain in words that he would
Speaker 1: understand what I was saying. Betty eventually suggested that maybe
Speaker 1: she could set up a meeting with people who would
Speaker 1: be better able to answer his questions, but the leader
Speaker 1: didn't seem to have the authority to make that kind
Speaker 1: of decision. After her physical exam was completed, Betty had
Speaker 1: apparently grown comfortable enough to initiate a conversation with the leader.
Speaker 1: This has Betty talking with Dennis McCarthy, who was the
Speaker 1: interviewer for w I C. H in nine. All Right,
Speaker 1: the leader on someone suggests that we should call him
Speaker 1: the interpret because he was the only one who spoke English,
Speaker 1: and he did speak with an accent. So do they
Speaker 1: uh right? English England English type accent? The others did
Speaker 1: not speak English, but they had their own language in
Speaker 1: which they communicated with each other. Did you get a
Speaker 1: chance to ask them where they came from or where
Speaker 1: they were here? Yes, I asked, That was the one
Speaker 1: question I asked. I asfinitely had two questions. Give me
Speaker 1: a su banana, take back, prove this had happened, which
Speaker 1: he gave me a book and then laid a ticket
Speaker 1: back on the basis that we were not going to
Speaker 1: need this. It was like a large, very thin, hard
Speaker 1: what she called a book, but is more like what
Speaker 1: we think of as a tablet today. There were symbols
Speaker 1: embedded in this. There were I believe it was five
Speaker 1: rows of symbols. We'll get back to these symbols later
Speaker 1: in the episode. Barney's examination, meanwhile, had ended from Betty's
Speaker 1: have no Secession on March fourteenth. Then Bonnie's coming. They're
Speaker 1: bringing Bonnie out. I hit the men out in the
Speaker 1: tarada and I said, bart he's coming. He said, yes,
Speaker 1: you can go back to car now, and I get
Speaker 1: the book. He's coming out, and Bonny's eyes are still shut.
Speaker 1: Good heavens, he's just a fot. I don't wonder if
Speaker 1: she made to keep his eye shoulder, if he's skated. Yea.
Speaker 1: So now it's trying to go back to the camera
Speaker 1: and the lead A six months. We'll walk back to
Speaker 1: the car with you. Barney again, isn't engaging with their abductors.
Speaker 1: I did not carry on a conversation with these breakers,
Speaker 1: and at best that I could describe, I was treated
Speaker 1: very indifferent. The best that I can say is my
Speaker 1: like it if we found wild beam in the wood, UH,
Speaker 1: and we decided to capture it with the intentions of
Speaker 1: not harming it, but just to look at it and
Speaker 1: observe it and see what it's like and then release it.
Speaker 1: There was completely indifference to UH. To UH me as
Speaker 1: an intellectual equal to them. I'm all ready to go
Speaker 1: down the ramp when some of the other men, not
Speaker 1: not the leader, but some of the other men are talking.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they say. They're very excited, and
Speaker 1: the leader is saying he's saying something. They're they're quite there.
Speaker 1: There's that they don't They're undecided. It's about I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: And then Oh Jolina comes over and takes my book
Speaker 1: and I said, no, I'm furious. I said, you promised
Speaker 1: me I could have the book. You gave me a
Speaker 1: word I couldn't have it, and he said, I know it.
Speaker 1: He said, but the others objecked they don't want you
Speaker 1: to have it. And I said that this is my proof.
Speaker 1: If you take the book away from me, I'll have
Speaker 1: no proof that this has happened. And he said, that's
Speaker 1: the whole point. They don't want you to know it's happened.
Speaker 1: They want you to be get all about it. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'm taking the foot h The idea that
Speaker 1: you might not remember this experience worried Betty. She became
Speaker 1: concerned that she wouldn't encounter these aliens again from presentation.
Speaker 1: And I said, I need to know if you're going
Speaker 1: to come back, because I need to know where to
Speaker 1: meet you. And he said, if we decided to come back,
Speaker 1: we'll let you know. And I said, well, I don't
Speaker 1: live around here. He said, we'll find you. So then
Speaker 1: he's walking back to the car and with me, and
Speaker 1: he said, well, I'm going to leave you here, but
Speaker 1: now go down by your car and stay by your
Speaker 1: car and watch us leave. If you stay that distance away,
Speaker 1: you'll be safe. You won't be in gentlemanly way. So
Speaker 1: I went back to the cab and I picked up
Speaker 1: my dog, powering on the front seat band he get out.
Speaker 1: I leaned against the sender of the car and I
Speaker 1: saw this crack. They come surrounded by the swirling, fiery
Speaker 1: orange mask that was going around and around and around,
Speaker 1: and it lifted up. When up, ye down and when
Speaker 1: up again, it was gone. And I'm saying to dog,
Speaker 1: you know you maybe he only dig in the world
Speaker 1: to see. Under hypnosis, Betty would say that she was
Speaker 1: really delighted about the whole thing and was determined not
Speaker 1: to forget the experience. Barney was less enthusiastic. Betty and
Speaker 1: Barney believed that this abduction experience happened between the two
Speaker 1: times that they heard the buzzing noise from the rear
Speaker 1: of their car while driving south away from Indian Head
Speaker 1: tourist area. If they are right about this, the next
Speaker 1: thing that happened was that they gained real consciousness on
Speaker 1: Route three near Ashelyn, New Hampshire, about thirty miles south
Speaker 1: of Indian Head. From there they would drive to Conquered
Speaker 1: to look for coffee and then continue their journey to Portsmouth.
Speaker 1: This then gave her framework to explain the missing time.
Speaker 1: Under hypnosis, Betty remembered being shown two objects on the spaceship.
Speaker 1: One of these objects the leader had given her and
Speaker 1: then taken back a book with alien symbols. I have
Speaker 1: no idea what the contents were. I had a good
Speaker 1: look at the outside of the book and a few
Speaker 1: of the pages. It was not an ordinary book like
Speaker 1: we have. I don't know what the substance was it
Speaker 1: was made out of, but the pages were extremely thinned
Speaker 1: and very very smooth, almost like they were coated with
Speaker 1: a plastic. The symbols wife up and down rather than across,
Speaker 1: and it was a very simplified script, nothing I've ever
Speaker 1: seen before. In two thousand one, Kathleen Martin asked her
Speaker 1: aunt to recreate what she had seen in the book.
Speaker 1: I asked Betty to sketch the symbols that she remembered
Speaker 1: observing on the craft. It took her a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks for her memory to return, but she did sketch them.
Speaker 1: These symbols were then seen by Dr Don Dondrree, a
Speaker 1: retired associate professor at McGill University who has done research
Speaker 1: on alien abductions. We'll hear from Dr Dondree later in
Speaker 1: this series. He had the idea to compare Betty's symbols
Speaker 1: two symbols recalled by other supposed abductees. These other symbols
Speaker 1: had been compiled for a study undertaken by Dr Dondree
Speaker 1: along with artists and UFO researcher Bud Hopkins and Sunni
Speaker 1: Brockport professor Stewart Appell. This study attempted to determine if
Speaker 1: the symbols recalled by these possible abductees were true memories
Speaker 1: of what they'd seen on alien spacecraft or just products
Speaker 1: of their imagination over time. Hopkins had asked purported abductees
Speaker 1: to draw the symbols they had remembered seeing during their
Speaker 1: abduction experience. He had collected drawings from two dozen people,
Speaker 1: but how could they determine if they were quote unquote
Speaker 1: real and not imagined. Don Dondree wrote about this study
Speaker 1: in his book UFOs, E t S and Alien Abductions.
Speaker 1: This section is read by an actor. Appel hypnotized twenty
Speaker 1: four non abducted control subjects and asked them under hypnosis
Speaker 1: to imagine being taken aboard a UFO. When they regained
Speaker 1: normal consciousness after the hypnosis, Appell asked them to draw
Speaker 1: any symbols they remembered seeing inside the craft during their
Speaker 1: hypnotically suggested abduction. If the symbols by Hopkins abductees matched
Speaker 1: the symbols remembered by Appel's hypnotized imaginary abductees, that would
Speaker 1: suggest the whole alien abduction experience was also imaginary. Each
Speaker 1: symbol from both groups was put on a card. Nothing
Speaker 1: on the cards identified the source of each symbol. The
Speaker 1: cards were mixed together, and a group of undergraduate students
Speaker 1: then evaluated the symbols based on criteria they were given.
Speaker 1: Despite not knowing the origins of the individual cards, they
Speaker 1: scored the abductees symbols differently than the faker symbols. In
Speaker 1: other words, in going through the evaluation process they could
Speaker 1: tell the difference. This seemed to suggest that the abductees
Speaker 1: might have actually seen alien symbols. Still, Donduree stresses that
Speaker 1: this symbol evidence is consistent with, but not sufficient proof
Speaker 1: of the conclusion that the abduction experiences were real. As
Speaker 1: for the symbols that Betty drew, Dr Dondry saw the symbols,
Speaker 1: you read the book and he compared those symbols to
Speaker 1: the symbols that he and Dr Repel had used in
Speaker 1: the academic study. And what they discovered was that Betty's
Speaker 1: symbols were very very much like the symbols of the
Speaker 1: abductees that Bud Hopkins had been working with dating back
Speaker 1: to the mid nineties seventies. So this was an important
Speaker 1: piece of information some verification. I've looked at the symbols myself,
Speaker 1: and to my eye, they seem like the kinds of
Speaker 1: things anyone might make up for a basic cipher, geometric shapes, lines, dots,
Speaker 1: and so on. Nothing is complicated as Egyptian hieroglyphics, for instance.
Speaker 1: To make things even less clear, the abductive symbols that
Speaker 1: I saw from the study done by Dondaree, Hopkins and
Speaker 1: appel didn't seem to look very much like each other.
Speaker 1: Betty's symbols looked a bit like some and not at
Speaker 1: all like others. This so called evidence seems to be
Speaker 1: inconclusive at best. In fact, the alien symbols seemed like
Speaker 1: almost an afterthought when you talk to people about the
Speaker 1: Hill case. The other object that Betty remembered, though, is
Speaker 1: definitely not an afterthought. The star map received plenty of
Speaker 1: attention and launched a furious debate next time on Strange Arrivals.
Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey. This episode was written
Speaker 1: and hosted by Toby Boll and produced by Miranda Hawkins
Speaker 1: and Josh Thane, with executive producers Alex Williams, Matt Frederick
Speaker 1: and Aaron Mankey. Betty Hill was portrayed by Gina Rickike.
Speaker 1: Barney Hill was portrayed by Jason Williams. Special thanks to
Speaker 1: the Miln's Special Collections and Archives at the University of
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