WEBVTT - What's Yellow 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:05.160 Oh. Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:16.240 and Grim and Mild from Aaron Manky. We go deeper 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:23.759 and deeper, deeper, sleep for our asleep, deeper and deeper, 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:34.159 fully relaxed, almost as a relaxed, comfortable, relaxed. You will 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:40.479 not be anxious. You are discussed. If you will remember 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:49.240 everything and you will tell me everything. Yes, I think 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:59.960 I will stop, I will stop, all right. The story 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.120 that Betty and Barney told under hypnosis was extraordinary, a 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.600 tale of alien encounter unlike anything before it, an account 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.399 so detailed that the story itself seemed to offer possible 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.320 proof that it was more than a delusion. It began 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.959 with Barney turning off the highway and onto a rural road. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:41.720 I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals, Episode three, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:52.480 What's Yellow. Though the Hill's abduction experience was the first 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.080 to become widely known, their supposed case wasn't the first 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.840 of its kind. About four years before the couple's experience, 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.800 another possible abduction had taken place on a farm in 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:08.800 the Meanest Jerai's region of Brazil. History professor and host 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:14.480 of the sacer Life podcast, Aaron Gullias Antonio villis Bois 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.280 in South America. Seven is out in the field and 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.880 encounters a a UFO and he's taken aboard it. But 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.480 it's not sort of a typical nineteen fifties contact. The experience. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.000 There are strange looking people on the craft and they're 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:37.080 they're human ish, but they're not human um and there's 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.200 there's one figure in particular, a he identifies the figures 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.600 female with with red hair and a pale body. And 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.399 he's taken into a room and medical tests are performed 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.919 on him, and he's strapped down and he's naked, and 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.160 then he has a sexual encounter with this woman. And 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.080 the impression we get from the tale that's told to 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.840 a researcher who then tells it to people from the 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.119 American Organization a PRO who were the first to sort 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.520 of publish an English language sort of report of this 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.560 in the late nineteen fifties is that they were extracting seamen, 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:17.800 probably for whatever experimental purpose they had. After the encounter, 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.720 hillis BoA's is disoriented, in pain, he's got a headache, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.720 some vision problems, vertigo, all kinds of stuff going on, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.280 and he tells his story and he finds a researcher 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.639 and tells him the story. And no matter how many 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:35.600 times he tells his story, it remains remarkably consistent. It's 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.440 not from hypnosis, it's from his conscious memory of what 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.920 went on. And he's just a regular guy. He's working. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.120 He will eventually go to law school and become a lawyer. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.840 I believe he's got nothing to gain really by telling 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:55.880 this outlandish and frankly embarrassing story. And there's some strange 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.960 details in it that are just really interesting. The woman 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.320 will call them a woman being on the saucer that 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.160 has the sexual encounter with him. She screams like an animal, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:10.920 so that this this inhuman animalistic noise emanates from her 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.440 and greatly disturbs him, and he sort of aroused, sort 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.719 of despite himself, and is literally forced into this act. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.400 And it's troubling and it's awkward and it's strange, and 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.440 like I said, there's nothing, there's no upside to sharing 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:32.719 this with people, but he does share it. Villis Bois 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.680 essentially claimed he was sexually assaulted by a feral spacewoman. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.040 He would say that before they left, this woman rubbed 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.040 her belly and pointed up towards the stars. He understood 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.120 this to mean that she was taking what would be 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.920 their baby back to where she'd come from. Villis Bois 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.599 story made it to the US before Betty and Barney 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.239 Hill's experience, but it seems very unlikely that either Betty 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.719 or Barney would have known of it. Aaron mentioned APRO 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.880 for and does again here it's an acritive for the 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:09.279 Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, a UFO research group at the time. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.839 APRO published the story in their newsletter in the late 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:17.440 nineteen fifties, and I think their book, Flying Saucer Occupants 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.680 came out in the late fifties or early sixties, and 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.560 it's in this book, Flying Saucer Occupants, which was published 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.960 in a you know, pocketbook paperback format that was on 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.480 all the news stands. That's where most people read about 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.640 the story. So as far as the case being well known, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.080 it would have been well known to people who read 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.960 UFO books. It would not have been well known to 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.840 the general public or people driving down the road in 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.520 New Hampshire in the mid sixties. I wouldn't think for 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.320 Betty and Barney, though their UFO sighting was different. It 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.039 started with a light in the sky, and reached a 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.359 climax when they encountered a spaceship near Indian Head. That 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.000 story ended when they arrived home in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.920 at least two hours later than they had expected. They 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.719 had continuous memory of these events, That is, there was 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.640 no perceivable gap between the events and Betty and Barney's 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:16.240 ability to recall them. In the days following the encounter, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.560 Betty had unusually vivid dreams about being aboard a spaceship, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:26.080 but neither she nor Barney actually remembered anything. The memory 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:30.440 of these events only emerged two years later. During the 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.279 first half of nine four, the Hills made the hour 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.159 long drive to the Boston office of Dr Benjamin Simon. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.760 During separate hypnosis sessions with Dr Simon, Betty and Barney 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:47.200 told very similar stories about being brought aboard in alien spacecraft. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.920 So what exactly happened to Barney and Betty Hill during 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:58.520 those two missing hours? After Betty and Barney turned off 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.840 into the woods, they found themselves in a sort of trance. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.080 They remember being escorted through the woods to where the 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.880 UFO waited. Betty said Barney was totally out of it 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.600 and provided no resistance. Betty struggled but was no match 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.120 for the beings. They were brought up a ramp and 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:22.280 into the ship. Barney from a May nine six radio interview. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.760 I was carried bare with one door into another door, 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.080 and there was this room with pie shape, but as 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.000 I described it much like a pie with the point 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.440 of the pie. And it was just one table that 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.240 was very small for my body. I'm about my for 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:48.120 the eight where I like, I got onto the table myself, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:53.679 and I am continually hearing this voice that is telling 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.360 me that no harm is going to come to me. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:59.200 Is on the amount of you uh tists that are 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:07.760 going to think of solfs to some calm about with 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.720 no damaging stuff. The next several clips feature Betty, recorded 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:17.600 decades later in the nineties and nineties. So I went 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.480 on board the craft and I went into an unlighted carrada, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.280 and then I was taken into the first room. But 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.280 and he was taken into the second room. And at 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.839 this point the purposes of identification, I now call him 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.760 the leader, but under hypnosis I always refer to him 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:42.280 as the one who speaks English. And so he was 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.720 in the room and then they examined it came in 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.960 and there were nine others who stayed in the carrada. 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.600 I haven't taken into this first room, and it was 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.720 like there. It was at small table, it was a stool, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.760 and then the wall the dough they were does in 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.160 the wall that would slide back and full. And they 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.520 put me on a still, checked my eyes, is nose, throat, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:14.640 my feet, my hands, and they later would look at 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.720 my skin and then they examined. They could two turns 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.520 looking at my skin, and they were all the time 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.960 they're carrying on this conversation very excited, like in their 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:29.920 own language, which I had never heard before. Then they 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.280 said put me on the table and said they wanted 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.400 to check my nervous system and they use some special 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:42.720 kind of equipment to do this. UFO researcher and Betty 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:48.800 Hill's niece Kathleen Martin, they were very interested in every 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:53.640 opening in her body, into looking at everything. They were 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:59.040 especially interested in her teeth, their joints. They removed their shoes, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.960 they moved their joints, their fingers, their toes, their arms, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.319 their legs, and then they appeared to have done neurological 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.640 testing on Betty and Barney as well. Betty stated that 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.040 they had placed a stylish kind of thing on her back. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.800 Betty continues the story from the transcript of her March 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:30.000 four hypnosis session, as read by an actress. So I'm 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:34.360 sitting on the stool and there's this little bracket and 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.960 my head is resting against the bracket, and the examina 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.280 opened my eyes and he looks in them with a light, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.960 and he opens my mouth and he looks at my 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.679 throat and my teeth, and he looks in my ears. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.240 And then he turned my head and he looks in 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.400 this here, and then he takes out like a swab 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.160 or a q tip. I guess it is like like 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.760 they was on abies, and he cleaned out and he 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.520 puts it in my left ear, and then he puts 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.600 this on another piece of material, and the leader takes 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.840 it and he rolls it up and he puts it 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.360 in the top drawer too. Then then he feels my 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.400 hair and then the back of my neck, and then 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.720 they take a couple of strands of my hair and 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.240 they pull it out and he gives us to the 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.200 leader and he wraps that all up and he puts 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.120 that in the top drawer. And then he takes something 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.439 that maybe like scissors. I don't know what it is. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.840 And they caught a piece of my hair. Here he 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.880 starts feeling behind my years and under my chin, and 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:47.680 down my neck and throw my shoulders around my collar 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.720 phone and then they take off my shoes and they 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.520 look at my feet, and they look at my hands. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.920 Daddy was taken to this table where they moved her dress. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:05.040 They did not know how to undo a zipper, and 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.439 so they ended up tearing the top of Betty's dress. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.280 And then she showed them how to unzip that zipper. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.240 The dress fell into a pile on the floor and 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.679 her slip was pulled up. And then the final test 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.800 was they tried to insert a needle like instrument in 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.439 my navel. We say some of the pregnancy test that 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.720 it caused a great deal of pain, so they stopped 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:36.480 doing this. And this was and at that time we 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.160 didn't have any kind of testing like this. It was 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:45.480 like that we developed him. She's talking about amniocentesis, a 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.720 test used with pregnant women that can determine the gender 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.320 of a fetus, as well as any possible infections or 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:59.200 chromosomal abnormalities. It was under development in but wasn't presented 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:04.800 to the public until Betty, of course, was not pregnant. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:12.240 It caused so much pain to Betty that she screamed 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:18.360 in agony, and she writhed the leader removed her pain 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:23.480 by doing something up around her head. And generally, the 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.120 one that she called the leader that we now call 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.559 the escort, who is with experiencers time and time again 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.800 when they are taken, is the one who does most 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:38.280 of the communication, is the one who establishes a relationship 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:43.200 with that human subject, and also who removes any pain 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:48.520 or any anxiety or fear that the subject is experiencing. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:54.280 Dr Simon had to end that session early due to 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.520 the degree of trauma that Betty was experiencing. In the 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:03.160 next session that he came to, the physician had left 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:07.360 the room. He had gone to do Barney's examination. Betty 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.200 didn't know that at the time, but that's what was 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:18.720 taking place in the next room. Over strange arrivals will 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:39.120 return in a moment. Betty recounted being given a kind 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.840 of physical examination, including a painful procedure involving a needle 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.800 being inserted in her navel. When the exam was completed, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:53.359 the being that she called the physician left the room, 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.000 though she didn't know it at the time. He'd gone 0:14:56.000 --> 0:15:02.040 to see Barney from the radio a new view. I 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.400 offered no resistance, No, I love me concerned about Betty's 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:11.040 well aware about I feel a little guilty as a 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.760 husbital to not be concerned about my life. But this 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.320 is such a terrifying situation that I was already concerned 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.000 about myself and I was being assured that I wasn't 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.120 going to be hard. So that I was faced on 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:28.880 this table where my jobs were removed, and my shirt 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.400 was pulled up with my head which would have made 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.960 my back. My under shirt was sold up along with 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.920 it where my back would have been there, and I 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.240 was turned over on my back and my stomach as 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.120 well as uh well, I could feel what I called 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:51.680 a being going up and down the final column. With 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:57.680 this examination, uh, I remembered a plug at my teeth, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.160 and this is the way I described. And also while 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.280 in this position of being damned, I opened my eyes 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.000 again compleadingly, because I could hear a kind of noise 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.080 as if people or someone was talking. I opened my 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.000 eyes and I looked, and I saw these three short maths. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.520 And this is when I got a good look at 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.400 the face. I immediately closed my eyes because what I 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.760 saw was terrifying by standard, it doesn't mean that they 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.520 were terrifying. Well, how would you describe yourself? I saw 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.280 this kind of grayish color, and wasn't I think, because 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.320 most people they're not When saw the little green men, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.360 and they were not green, then they were a grayish, 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.880 metallic kind of gray in color. And I might also 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.320 say that I'm quite sure they were not wearing a 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.640 mask or rather any kind of apparatus over the head 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.240 for breathing purposes, because I could see what would have 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.960 been about a thin line without a lip muffle, that 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:02.960 when potty went open, there was a membrane inside that 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:07.160 fluttered really right at the end of the month itself, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.600 and it fluttered. And this seems to be a way 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.879 that they communicated with one another with a very peculiar 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:19.920 kind of properly. This is from the transcript of Barney's 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:25.359 February twenty ninth session, as read by an actor. I 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.680 was buying on a table and my flyer was open, 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:34.840 and I thought, are they putting the cup around my 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:43.879 private parts? And then stopped and I thought, how funny. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:49.679 I thought, how funny if I keep real quiet and 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.560 real still. I won't be harmed, and it will be over, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.720 and I will just stay here and pretend that I 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.159 am anywhere, and think of God and think of Jesus, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:06.280 and think I am not afraid. They also examined Barney's 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.359 mouth and found something that surprised them. They rushed to 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.600 Betty's room to get more information. They came running into 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.560 the room, some of them, and they had dentures in 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.840 their hands. Well, I guess. When they checked Barney's mouth, 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.200 they noticed that his teeth were removable, but Betty's were not. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.719 So they were very curious about what was going on, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.240 and they tried to pull Betty's teeth out, but she 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:36.359 explained that some humans lose their teeth. This led to 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:41.680 a very confusing exchange between Betty and the leader, again 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:47.639 from Betty's hypnosis session on March four, and the leader says, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:53.480 does this happen to many people? And he was very arm, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.960 He acted as if he didn't believe me. And I said, well, yes, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:04.080 it happened almost everyone as they get older. And he said, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:11.239 well what's older? And I said old age? So he 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:17.440 said what's old age? And I said, well, it varies, 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.679 but as a person gets older, there are changes in him, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:26.399 particularly physically. He sort of begins to break down with 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.760 old age, and so he said, well, what is age? 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.600 It was very apparent that I was using words that 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:40.639 although he spoke English, his knowledge or the meanings or 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.520 most of our words were foreign to him. And I 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.959 just couldn't seem to find the right words to make 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.919 him understand. So then he said diet. What's diet? So 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:54.080 I'm saying, well, that's the foods wet and so I'm 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.880 trying to tell him about the foods. And I said 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.560 vegetables and he says, what's vegetables? Well, I was tell 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.520 explaining we have many of them. Uh, I'll tell you 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.280 about squash. So I said, squash is yellow, and he says, 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:12.040 what's yellow? Yeah, so I look all around it. There's 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.800 nothing yellow. So we didn't get along too well, and 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:19.040 I wasn't able to explain in words that he would 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:26.000 understand what I was saying. Betty eventually suggested that maybe 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.280 she could set up a meeting with people who would 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.600 be better able to answer his questions, but the leader 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.000 didn't seem to have the authority to make that kind 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.679 of decision. After her physical exam was completed, Betty had 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.240 apparently grown comfortable enough to initiate a conversation with the leader. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.760 This has Betty talking with Dennis McCarthy, who was the 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.320 interviewer for w I C. H in nine. All Right, 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.439 the leader on someone suggests that we should call him 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.520 the interpret because he was the only one who spoke English, 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.840 and he did speak with an accent. So do they 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:08.200 uh right? English England English type accent? The others did 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.920 not speak English, but they had their own language in 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.520 which they communicated with each other. Did you get a 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.840 chance to ask them where they came from or where 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.320 they were here? Yes, I asked, That was the one 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.399 question I asked. I asfinitely had two questions. Give me 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.040 a su banana, take back, prove this had happened, which 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:25.840 he gave me a book and then laid a ticket 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.119 back on the basis that we were not going to 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:33.040 need this. It was like a large, very thin, hard 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.960 what she called a book, but is more like what 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:40.840 we think of as a tablet today. There were symbols 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.439 embedded in this. There were I believe it was five 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:49.160 rows of symbols. We'll get back to these symbols later 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:55.640 in the episode. Barney's examination, meanwhile, had ended from Betty's 0:21:55.640 --> 0:22:06.000 have no Secession on March fourteenth. Then Bonnie's coming. They're 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.399 bringing Bonnie out. I hit the men out in the 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:13.840 tarada and I said, bart he's coming. He said, yes, 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:18.280 you can go back to car now, and I get 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:23.280 the book. He's coming out, and Bonny's eyes are still shut. 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:31.199 Good heavens, he's just a fot. I don't wonder if 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.120 she made to keep his eye shoulder, if he's skated. Yea. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.640 So now it's trying to go back to the camera 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:41.520 and the lead A six months. We'll walk back to 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:46.960 the car with you. Barney again, isn't engaging with their abductors. 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.360 I did not carry on a conversation with these breakers, 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:55.159 and at best that I could describe, I was treated 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.440 very indifferent. The best that I can say is my 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:04.439 like it if we found wild beam in the wood, UH, 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.840 and we decided to capture it with the intentions of 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.240 not harming it, but just to look at it and 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.680 observe it and see what it's like and then release it. 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:18.160 There was completely indifference to UH. To UH me as 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:23.200 an intellectual equal to them. I'm all ready to go 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:29.720 down the ramp when some of the other men, not 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:35.359 not the leader, but some of the other men are talking. 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:45.040 I don't know what they say. They're very excited, and 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:50.880 the leader is saying he's saying something. They're they're quite there. 0:23:54.920 --> 0:24:00.440 There's that they don't They're undecided. It's about I'm sorry, 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:13.359 And then Oh Jolina comes over and takes my book 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:23.600 and I said, no, I'm furious. I said, you promised 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:27.720 me I could have the book. You gave me a 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.560 word I couldn't have it, and he said, I know it. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:37.040 He said, but the others objecked they don't want you 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:40.120 to have it. And I said that this is my proof. 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.399 If you take the book away from me, I'll have 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:47.200 no proof that this has happened. And he said, that's 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.880 the whole point. They don't want you to know it's happened. 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:55.359 They want you to be get all about it. And 0:24:55.480 --> 0:25:02.119 that's why I'm taking the foot h The idea that 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.879 you might not remember this experience worried Betty. She became 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:11.720 concerned that she wouldn't encounter these aliens again from presentation. 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.960 And I said, I need to know if you're going 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:17.600 to come back, because I need to know where to 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.680 meet you. And he said, if we decided to come back, 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.520 we'll let you know. And I said, well, I don't 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:31.320 live around here. He said, we'll find you. So then 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.840 he's walking back to the car and with me, and 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:37.960 he said, well, I'm going to leave you here, but 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.119 now go down by your car and stay by your 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:45.359 car and watch us leave. If you stay that distance away, 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:49.040 you'll be safe. You won't be in gentlemanly way. So 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.399 I went back to the cab and I picked up 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:55.480 my dog, powering on the front seat band he get out. 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.680 I leaned against the sender of the car and I 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:04.960 saw this crack. They come surrounded by the swirling, fiery 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.719 orange mask that was going around and around and around, 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:14.840 and it lifted up. When up, ye down and when 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:19.000 up again, it was gone. And I'm saying to dog, 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:20.960 you know you maybe he only dig in the world 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:30.560 to see. Under hypnosis, Betty would say that she was 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.080 really delighted about the whole thing and was determined not 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:39.320 to forget the experience. Barney was less enthusiastic. Betty and 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:43.080 Barney believed that this abduction experience happened between the two 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.400 times that they heard the buzzing noise from the rear 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.800 of their car while driving south away from Indian Head 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.400 tourist area. If they are right about this, the next 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.920 thing that happened was that they gained real consciousness on 0:26:56.080 --> 0:27:00.240 Route three near Ashelyn, New Hampshire, about thirty miles south 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.840 of Indian Head. From there they would drive to Conquered 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.560 to look for coffee and then continue their journey to Portsmouth. 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.160 This then gave her framework to explain the missing time. 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:30.320 Under hypnosis, Betty remembered being shown two objects on the spaceship. 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.480 One of these objects the leader had given her and 0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:38.200 then taken back a book with alien symbols. I have 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.040 no idea what the contents were. I had a good 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.280 look at the outside of the book and a few 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.320 of the pages. It was not an ordinary book like 0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.840 we have. I don't know what the substance was it 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.960 was made out of, but the pages were extremely thinned 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:58.920 and very very smooth, almost like they were coated with 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.880 a plastic. The symbols wife up and down rather than across, 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.760 and it was a very simplified script, nothing I've ever 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:11.879 seen before. In two thousand one, Kathleen Martin asked her 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.320 aunt to recreate what she had seen in the book. 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:20.679 I asked Betty to sketch the symbols that she remembered 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.119 observing on the craft. It took her a couple of 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:28.640 weeks for her memory to return, but she did sketch them. 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:35.240 These symbols were then seen by Dr Don Dondrree, a 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:39.840 retired associate professor at McGill University who has done research 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.840 on alien abductions. We'll hear from Dr Dondree later in 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:48.200 this series. He had the idea to compare Betty's symbols 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.880 two symbols recalled by other supposed abductees. These other symbols 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.480 had been compiled for a study undertaken by Dr Dondree 0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:01.000 along with artists and UFO researcher Bud Hopkins and Sunni 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:06.320 Brockport professor Stewart Appell. This study attempted to determine if 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:10.680 the symbols recalled by these possible abductees were true memories 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.160 of what they'd seen on alien spacecraft or just products 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:19.880 of their imagination over time. Hopkins had asked purported abductees 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.440 to draw the symbols they had remembered seeing during their 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.800 abduction experience. He had collected drawings from two dozen people, 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.920 but how could they determine if they were quote unquote 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:35.040