1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Oh. Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Manky. We go deeper 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: and deeper, deeper, sleep for our asleep, deeper and deeper, 4 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: fully relaxed, almost as a relaxed, comfortable, relaxed. You will 5 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: not be anxious. You are discussed. If you will remember 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: everything and you will tell me everything. Yes, I think 7 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: I will stop, I will stop, all right. The story 8 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: that Betty and Barney told under hypnosis was extraordinary, a 9 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: tale of alien encounter unlike anything before it, an account 10 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: so detailed that the story itself seemed to offer possible 11 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: proof that it was more than a delusion. It began 12 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: with Barney turning off the highway and onto a rural road. 13 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals, Episode three, 14 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: What's Yellow. Though the Hill's abduction experience was the first 15 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: to become widely known, their supposed case wasn't the first 16 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: of its kind. About four years before the couple's experience, 17 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: another possible abduction had taken place on a farm in 18 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: the Meanest Jerai's region of Brazil. History professor and host 19 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: of the sacer Life podcast, Aaron Gullias Antonio villis Bois 20 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: in South America. Seven is out in the field and 21 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: encounters a a UFO and he's taken aboard it. But 22 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: it's not sort of a typical nineteen fifties contact. The experience. 23 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: There are strange looking people on the craft and they're 24 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: they're human ish, but they're not human um and there's 25 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: there's one figure in particular, a he identifies the figures 26 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: female with with red hair and a pale body. And 27 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: he's taken into a room and medical tests are performed 28 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: on him, and he's strapped down and he's naked, and 29 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: then he has a sexual encounter with this woman. And 30 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: the impression we get from the tale that's told to 31 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: a researcher who then tells it to people from the 32 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: American Organization a PRO who were the first to sort 33 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: of publish an English language sort of report of this 34 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: in the late nineteen fifties is that they were extracting seamen, 35 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: probably for whatever experimental purpose they had. After the encounter, 36 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: hillis BoA's is disoriented, in pain, he's got a headache, 37 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: some vision problems, vertigo, all kinds of stuff going on, 38 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: and he tells his story and he finds a researcher 39 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: and tells him the story. And no matter how many 40 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: times he tells his story, it remains remarkably consistent. It's 41 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: not from hypnosis, it's from his conscious memory of what 42 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: went on. And he's just a regular guy. He's working. 43 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: He will eventually go to law school and become a lawyer. 44 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: I believe he's got nothing to gain really by telling 45 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: this outlandish and frankly embarrassing story. And there's some strange 46 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: details in it that are just really interesting. The woman 47 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: will call them a woman being on the saucer that 48 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: has the sexual encounter with him. She screams like an animal, 49 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: so that this this inhuman animalistic noise emanates from her 50 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: and greatly disturbs him, and he sort of aroused, sort 51 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: of despite himself, and is literally forced into this act. 52 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: And it's troubling and it's awkward and it's strange, and 53 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: like I said, there's nothing, there's no upside to sharing 54 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: this with people, but he does share it. Villis Bois 55 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: essentially claimed he was sexually assaulted by a feral spacewoman. 56 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: He would say that before they left, this woman rubbed 57 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: her belly and pointed up towards the stars. He understood 58 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: this to mean that she was taking what would be 59 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: their baby back to where she'd come from. Villis Bois 60 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: story made it to the US before Betty and Barney 61 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: Hill's experience, but it seems very unlikely that either Betty 62 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: or Barney would have known of it. Aaron mentioned APRO 63 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: for and does again here it's an acritive for the 64 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, a UFO research group at the time. 65 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: APRO published the story in their newsletter in the late 66 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, and I think their book, Flying Saucer Occupants 67 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: came out in the late fifties or early sixties, and 68 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: it's in this book, Flying Saucer Occupants, which was published 69 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: in a you know, pocketbook paperback format that was on 70 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: all the news stands. That's where most people read about 71 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: the story. So as far as the case being well known, 72 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: it would have been well known to people who read 73 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: UFO books. It would not have been well known to 74 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: the general public or people driving down the road in 75 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: New Hampshire in the mid sixties. I wouldn't think for 76 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: Betty and Barney, though their UFO sighting was different. It 77 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: started with a light in the sky, and reached a 78 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: climax when they encountered a spaceship near Indian Head. That 79 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: story ended when they arrived home in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, 80 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: at least two hours later than they had expected. They 81 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: had continuous memory of these events, That is, there was 82 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: no perceivable gap between the events and Betty and Barney's 83 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: ability to recall them. In the days following the encounter, 84 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: Betty had unusually vivid dreams about being aboard a spaceship, 85 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: but neither she nor Barney actually remembered anything. The memory 86 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: of these events only emerged two years later. During the 87 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: first half of nine four, the Hills made the hour 88 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: long drive to the Boston office of Dr Benjamin Simon. 89 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: During separate hypnosis sessions with Dr Simon, Betty and Barney 90 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: told very similar stories about being brought aboard in alien spacecraft. 91 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: So what exactly happened to Barney and Betty Hill during 92 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: those two missing hours? After Betty and Barney turned off 93 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: into the woods, they found themselves in a sort of trance. 94 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: They remember being escorted through the woods to where the 95 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: UFO waited. Betty said Barney was totally out of it 96 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: and provided no resistance. Betty struggled but was no match 97 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: for the beings. They were brought up a ramp and 98 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: into the ship. Barney from a May nine six radio interview. 99 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: I was carried bare with one door into another door, 100 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: and there was this room with pie shape, but as 101 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: I described it much like a pie with the point 102 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: of the pie. And it was just one table that 103 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: was very small for my body. I'm about my for 104 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: the eight where I like, I got onto the table myself, 105 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: and I am continually hearing this voice that is telling 106 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: me that no harm is going to come to me. 107 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: Is on the amount of you uh tists that are 108 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: going to think of solfs to some calm about with 109 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: no damaging stuff. The next several clips feature Betty, recorded 110 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: decades later in the nineties and nineties. So I went 111 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: on board the craft and I went into an unlighted carrada, 112 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: and then I was taken into the first room. But 113 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: and he was taken into the second room. And at 114 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: this point the purposes of identification, I now call him 115 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: the leader, but under hypnosis I always refer to him 116 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: as the one who speaks English. And so he was 117 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: in the room and then they examined it came in 118 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: and there were nine others who stayed in the carrada. 119 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: I haven't taken into this first room, and it was 120 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: like there. It was at small table, it was a stool, 121 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: and then the wall the dough they were does in 122 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: the wall that would slide back and full. And they 123 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: put me on a still, checked my eyes, is nose, throat, 124 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: my feet, my hands, and they later would look at 125 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: my skin and then they examined. They could two turns 126 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: looking at my skin, and they were all the time 127 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: they're carrying on this conversation very excited, like in their 128 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: own language, which I had never heard before. Then they 129 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: said put me on the table and said they wanted 130 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: to check my nervous system and they use some special 131 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: kind of equipment to do this. UFO researcher and Betty 132 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: Hill's niece Kathleen Martin, they were very interested in every 133 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: opening in her body, into looking at everything. They were 134 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: especially interested in her teeth, their joints. They removed their shoes, 135 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: they moved their joints, their fingers, their toes, their arms, 136 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: their legs, and then they appeared to have done neurological 137 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: testing on Betty and Barney as well. Betty stated that 138 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: they had placed a stylish kind of thing on her back. 139 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: Betty continues the story from the transcript of her March 140 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: four hypnosis session, as read by an actress. So I'm 141 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: sitting on the stool and there's this little bracket and 142 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: my head is resting against the bracket, and the examina 143 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: opened my eyes and he looks in them with a light, 144 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: and he opens my mouth and he looks at my 145 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: throat and my teeth, and he looks in my ears. 146 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: And then he turned my head and he looks in 147 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: this here, and then he takes out like a swab 148 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: or a q tip. I guess it is like like 149 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: they was on abies, and he cleaned out and he 150 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: puts it in my left ear, and then he puts 151 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: this on another piece of material, and the leader takes 152 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: it and he rolls it up and he puts it 153 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: in the top drawer too. Then then he feels my 154 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: hair and then the back of my neck, and then 155 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: they take a couple of strands of my hair and 156 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: they pull it out and he gives us to the 157 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: leader and he wraps that all up and he puts 158 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: that in the top drawer. And then he takes something 159 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: that maybe like scissors. I don't know what it is. 160 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: And they caught a piece of my hair. Here he 161 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: starts feeling behind my years and under my chin, and 162 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: down my neck and throw my shoulders around my collar 163 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: phone and then they take off my shoes and they 164 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: look at my feet, and they look at my hands. 165 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: Daddy was taken to this table where they moved her dress. 166 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: They did not know how to undo a zipper, and 167 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: so they ended up tearing the top of Betty's dress. 168 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: And then she showed them how to unzip that zipper. 169 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: The dress fell into a pile on the floor and 170 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: her slip was pulled up. And then the final test 171 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: was they tried to insert a needle like instrument in 172 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: my navel. We say some of the pregnancy test that 173 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: it caused a great deal of pain, so they stopped 174 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: doing this. And this was and at that time we 175 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: didn't have any kind of testing like this. It was 176 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: like that we developed him. She's talking about amniocentesis, a 177 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: test used with pregnant women that can determine the gender 178 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: of a fetus, as well as any possible infections or 179 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: chromosomal abnormalities. It was under development in but wasn't presented 180 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: to the public until Betty, of course, was not pregnant. 181 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: It caused so much pain to Betty that she screamed 182 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: in agony, and she writhed the leader removed her pain 183 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: by doing something up around her head. And generally, the 184 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: one that she called the leader that we now call 185 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: the escort, who is with experiencers time and time again 186 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: when they are taken, is the one who does most 187 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: of the communication, is the one who establishes a relationship 188 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: with that human subject, and also who removes any pain 189 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: or any anxiety or fear that the subject is experiencing. 190 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: Dr Simon had to end that session early due to 191 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: the degree of trauma that Betty was experiencing. In the 192 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: next session that he came to, the physician had left 193 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: the room. He had gone to do Barney's examination. Betty 194 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: didn't know that at the time, but that's what was 195 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: taking place in the next room. Over strange arrivals will 196 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: return in a moment. Betty recounted being given a kind 197 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: of physical examination, including a painful procedure involving a needle 198 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: being inserted in her navel. When the exam was completed, 199 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:53,359 Speaker 1: the being that she called the physician left the room, 200 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: though she didn't know it at the time. He'd gone 201 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: to see Barney from the radio a new view. I 202 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: offered no resistance, No, I love me concerned about Betty's 203 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: well aware about I feel a little guilty as a 204 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: husbital to not be concerned about my life. But this 205 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: is such a terrifying situation that I was already concerned 206 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: about myself and I was being assured that I wasn't 207 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: going to be hard. So that I was faced on 208 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: this table where my jobs were removed, and my shirt 209 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: was pulled up with my head which would have made 210 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: my back. My under shirt was sold up along with 211 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: it where my back would have been there, and I 212 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: was turned over on my back and my stomach as 213 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: well as uh well, I could feel what I called 214 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: a being going up and down the final column. With 215 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: this examination, uh, I remembered a plug at my teeth, 216 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: and this is the way I described. And also while 217 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: in this position of being damned, I opened my eyes 218 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: again compleadingly, because I could hear a kind of noise 219 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: as if people or someone was talking. I opened my 220 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: eyes and I looked, and I saw these three short maths. 221 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: And this is when I got a good look at 222 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: the face. I immediately closed my eyes because what I 223 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: saw was terrifying by standard, it doesn't mean that they 224 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: were terrifying. Well, how would you describe yourself? I saw 225 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: this kind of grayish color, and wasn't I think, because 226 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: most people they're not When saw the little green men, 227 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: and they were not green, then they were a grayish, 228 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: metallic kind of gray in color. And I might also 229 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: say that I'm quite sure they were not wearing a 230 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: mask or rather any kind of apparatus over the head 231 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: for breathing purposes, because I could see what would have 232 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: been about a thin line without a lip muffle, that 233 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: when potty went open, there was a membrane inside that 234 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: fluttered really right at the end of the month itself, 235 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: and it fluttered. And this seems to be a way 236 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: that they communicated with one another with a very peculiar 237 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: kind of properly. This is from the transcript of Barney's 238 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: February twenty ninth session, as read by an actor. I 239 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: was buying on a table and my flyer was open, 240 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: and I thought, are they putting the cup around my 241 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: private parts? And then stopped and I thought, how funny. 242 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: I thought, how funny if I keep real quiet and 243 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: real still. I won't be harmed, and it will be over, 244 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: and I will just stay here and pretend that I 245 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: am anywhere, and think of God and think of Jesus, 246 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: and think I am not afraid. They also examined Barney's 247 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: mouth and found something that surprised them. They rushed to 248 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: Betty's room to get more information. They came running into 249 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: the room, some of them, and they had dentures in 250 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: their hands. Well, I guess. When they checked Barney's mouth, 251 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: they noticed that his teeth were removable, but Betty's were not. 252 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: So they were very curious about what was going on, 253 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: and they tried to pull Betty's teeth out, but she 254 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: explained that some humans lose their teeth. This led to 255 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: a very confusing exchange between Betty and the leader, again 256 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: from Betty's hypnosis session on March four, and the leader says, 257 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: does this happen to many people? And he was very arm, 258 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: He acted as if he didn't believe me. And I said, well, yes, 259 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: it happened almost everyone as they get older. And he said, 260 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 1: well what's older? And I said old age? So he 261 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: said what's old age? And I said, well, it varies, 262 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: but as a person gets older, there are changes in him, 263 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: particularly physically. He sort of begins to break down with 264 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: old age, and so he said, well, what is age? 265 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: It was very apparent that I was using words that 266 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: although he spoke English, his knowledge or the meanings or 267 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: most of our words were foreign to him. And I 268 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: just couldn't seem to find the right words to make 269 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: him understand. So then he said diet. What's diet? So 270 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, that's the foods wet and so I'm 271 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: trying to tell him about the foods. And I said 272 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: vegetables and he says, what's vegetables? Well, I was tell 273 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: explaining we have many of them. Uh, I'll tell you 274 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: about squash. So I said, squash is yellow, and he says, 275 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: what's yellow? Yeah, so I look all around it. There's 276 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: nothing yellow. So we didn't get along too well, and 277 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to explain in words that he would 278 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: understand what I was saying. Betty eventually suggested that maybe 279 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: she could set up a meeting with people who would 280 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: be better able to answer his questions, but the leader 281 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: didn't seem to have the authority to make that kind 282 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: of decision. After her physical exam was completed, Betty had 283 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: apparently grown comfortable enough to initiate a conversation with the leader. 284 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: This has Betty talking with Dennis McCarthy, who was the 285 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: interviewer for w I C. H in nine. All Right, 286 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: the leader on someone suggests that we should call him 287 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: the interpret because he was the only one who spoke English, 288 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: and he did speak with an accent. So do they 289 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: uh right? English England English type accent? The others did 290 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: not speak English, but they had their own language in 291 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: which they communicated with each other. Did you get a 292 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: chance to ask them where they came from or where 293 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: they were here? Yes, I asked, That was the one 294 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: question I asked. I asfinitely had two questions. Give me 295 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: a su banana, take back, prove this had happened, which 296 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: he gave me a book and then laid a ticket 297 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: back on the basis that we were not going to 298 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: need this. It was like a large, very thin, hard 299 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: what she called a book, but is more like what 300 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: we think of as a tablet today. There were symbols 301 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: embedded in this. There were I believe it was five 302 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: rows of symbols. We'll get back to these symbols later 303 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: in the episode. Barney's examination, meanwhile, had ended from Betty's 304 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: have no Secession on March fourteenth. Then Bonnie's coming. They're 305 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: bringing Bonnie out. I hit the men out in the 306 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: tarada and I said, bart he's coming. He said, yes, 307 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: you can go back to car now, and I get 308 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: the book. He's coming out, and Bonny's eyes are still shut. 309 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: Good heavens, he's just a fot. I don't wonder if 310 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: she made to keep his eye shoulder, if he's skated. Yea. 311 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: So now it's trying to go back to the camera 312 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: and the lead A six months. We'll walk back to 313 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: the car with you. Barney again, isn't engaging with their abductors. 314 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: I did not carry on a conversation with these breakers, 315 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: and at best that I could describe, I was treated 316 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: very indifferent. The best that I can say is my 317 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: like it if we found wild beam in the wood, UH, 318 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: and we decided to capture it with the intentions of 319 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: not harming it, but just to look at it and 320 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: observe it and see what it's like and then release it. 321 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: There was completely indifference to UH. To UH me as 322 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: an intellectual equal to them. I'm all ready to go 323 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: down the ramp when some of the other men, not 324 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: not the leader, but some of the other men are talking. 325 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what they say. They're very excited, and 326 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: the leader is saying he's saying something. They're they're quite there. 327 00:23:54,920 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: There's that they don't They're undecided. It's about I'm sorry, 328 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: And then Oh Jolina comes over and takes my book 329 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: and I said, no, I'm furious. I said, you promised 330 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: me I could have the book. You gave me a 331 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: word I couldn't have it, and he said, I know it. 332 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: He said, but the others objecked they don't want you 333 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: to have it. And I said that this is my proof. 334 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: If you take the book away from me, I'll have 335 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: no proof that this has happened. And he said, that's 336 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: the whole point. They don't want you to know it's happened. 337 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: They want you to be get all about it. And 338 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: that's why I'm taking the foot h The idea that 339 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: you might not remember this experience worried Betty. She became 340 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: concerned that she wouldn't encounter these aliens again from presentation. 341 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: And I said, I need to know if you're going 342 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: to come back, because I need to know where to 343 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: meet you. And he said, if we decided to come back, 344 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: we'll let you know. And I said, well, I don't 345 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: live around here. He said, we'll find you. So then 346 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: he's walking back to the car and with me, and 347 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: he said, well, I'm going to leave you here, but 348 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: now go down by your car and stay by your 349 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: car and watch us leave. If you stay that distance away, 350 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: you'll be safe. You won't be in gentlemanly way. So 351 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: I went back to the cab and I picked up 352 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: my dog, powering on the front seat band he get out. 353 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: I leaned against the sender of the car and I 354 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: saw this crack. They come surrounded by the swirling, fiery 355 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: orange mask that was going around and around and around, 356 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: and it lifted up. When up, ye down and when 357 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: up again, it was gone. And I'm saying to dog, 358 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: you know you maybe he only dig in the world 359 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: to see. Under hypnosis, Betty would say that she was 360 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: really delighted about the whole thing and was determined not 361 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: to forget the experience. Barney was less enthusiastic. Betty and 362 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: Barney believed that this abduction experience happened between the two 363 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: times that they heard the buzzing noise from the rear 364 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: of their car while driving south away from Indian Head 365 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: tourist area. If they are right about this, the next 366 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: thing that happened was that they gained real consciousness on 367 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: Route three near Ashelyn, New Hampshire, about thirty miles south 368 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: of Indian Head. From there they would drive to Conquered 369 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: to look for coffee and then continue their journey to Portsmouth. 370 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: This then gave her framework to explain the missing time. 371 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: Under hypnosis, Betty remembered being shown two objects on the spaceship. 372 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: One of these objects the leader had given her and 373 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: then taken back a book with alien symbols. I have 374 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: no idea what the contents were. I had a good 375 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: look at the outside of the book and a few 376 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: of the pages. It was not an ordinary book like 377 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: we have. I don't know what the substance was it 378 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: was made out of, but the pages were extremely thinned 379 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: and very very smooth, almost like they were coated with 380 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: a plastic. The symbols wife up and down rather than across, 381 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: and it was a very simplified script, nothing I've ever 382 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: seen before. In two thousand one, Kathleen Martin asked her 383 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: aunt to recreate what she had seen in the book. 384 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: I asked Betty to sketch the symbols that she remembered 385 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: observing on the craft. It took her a couple of 386 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: weeks for her memory to return, but she did sketch them. 387 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: These symbols were then seen by Dr Don Dondrree, a 388 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: retired associate professor at McGill University who has done research 389 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: on alien abductions. We'll hear from Dr Dondree later in 390 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: this series. He had the idea to compare Betty's symbols 391 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: two symbols recalled by other supposed abductees. These other symbols 392 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: had been compiled for a study undertaken by Dr Dondree 393 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: along with artists and UFO researcher Bud Hopkins and Sunni 394 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: Brockport professor Stewart Appell. This study attempted to determine if 395 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: the symbols recalled by these possible abductees were true memories 396 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: of what they'd seen on alien spacecraft or just products 397 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: of their imagination over time. Hopkins had asked purported abductees 398 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: to draw the symbols they had remembered seeing during their 399 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: abduction experience. He had collected drawings from two dozen people, 400 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: but how could they determine if they were quote unquote 401 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: real and not imagined. Don Dondree wrote about this study 402 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: in his book UFOs, E t S and Alien Abductions. 403 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: This section is read by an actor. Appel hypnotized twenty 404 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: four non abducted control subjects and asked them under hypnosis 405 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: to imagine being taken aboard a UFO. When they regained 406 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: normal consciousness after the hypnosis, Appell asked them to draw 407 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: any symbols they remembered seeing inside the craft during their 408 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: hypnotically suggested abduction. If the symbols by Hopkins abductees matched 409 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: the symbols remembered by Appel's hypnotized imaginary abductees, that would 410 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: suggest the whole alien abduction experience was also imaginary. Each 411 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: symbol from both groups was put on a card. Nothing 412 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: on the cards identified the source of each symbol. The 413 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: cards were mixed together, and a group of undergraduate students 414 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: then evaluated the symbols based on criteria they were given. 415 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 1: Despite not knowing the origins of the individual cards, they 416 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: scored the abductees symbols differently than the faker symbols. In 417 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: other words, in going through the evaluation process they could 418 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: tell the difference. This seemed to suggest that the abductees 419 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: might have actually seen alien symbols. Still, Donduree stresses that 420 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: this symbol evidence is consistent with, but not sufficient proof 421 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: of the conclusion that the abduction experiences were real. As 422 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: for the symbols that Betty drew, Dr Dondry saw the symbols, 423 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: you read the book and he compared those symbols to 424 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: the symbols that he and Dr Repel had used in 425 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: the academic study. And what they discovered was that Betty's 426 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: symbols were very very much like the symbols of the 427 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: abductees that Bud Hopkins had been working with dating back 428 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: to the mid nineties seventies. So this was an important 429 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: piece of information some verification. I've looked at the symbols myself, 430 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: and to my eye, they seem like the kinds of 431 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: things anyone might make up for a basic cipher, geometric shapes, lines, dots, 432 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: and so on. Nothing is complicated as Egyptian hieroglyphics, for instance. 433 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: To make things even less clear, the abductive symbols that 434 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: I saw from the study done by Dondaree, Hopkins and 435 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: appel didn't seem to look very much like each other. 436 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: Betty's symbols looked a bit like some and not at 437 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: all like others. This so called evidence seems to be 438 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: inconclusive at best. In fact, the alien symbols seemed like 439 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: almost an afterthought when you talk to people about the 440 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: Hill case. The other object that Betty remembered, though, is 441 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: definitely not an afterthought. The star map received plenty of 442 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: attention and launched a furious debate next time on Strange Arrivals. 443 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and 444 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey. 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