1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I am on the mend. 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 3: If you've been listening in real time, it is March 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: twenty fourth, twenty twenty six, the season of allergies. 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: And yes, my voice is. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 3: Still pretty creepy and squeaky, so adorable. But the show 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: must go on. We did try to take a pause, 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 3: but we're continuing on and and it seems I am 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: on an Irish cook It is like around Saint Patrick's day, 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: so it feels appropriate. There are clovers everywhere. I've not 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: found a four leaf clover though, that's really looking. Yes 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: I have, have you I don't think so you've never 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: found one. 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I have. I'm my cursed. 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: That makes me sad for you. Oh no, we'll have 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: to figure it out. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: We'll have a party because I have several patches of 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: clovers in my backyard, so we'll bring you over here 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: and we'll look. But anyway, with all of that, yes, 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 3: I am on an Irish content kick, because we've got 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: two Irish related episodes within this week. Again, I know 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 3: not everybody listens within this time, but just saying if 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: you spout stumble upon this one. No. Within the same way, 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: we recorded a second content with Irish related subject matter. Yeah, 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: I really need to go to there. I would really 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: like to go. 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: To there, to be honest, it's beautiful. I want to 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: see some puffins. I know you can see. 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: I know there's puffins everywhere else as well at other places, 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: but there are islands with puffins that people like. 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: Help to fly. I want to go to there. 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: Maybe one day, one day, somebody somebody sent me to 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: see the puffins in Ireland please, But anyway, yes, and 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: for today we are talking about the works and activism 36 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: of the feminist icon in Ireland. 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: Alba Smith. 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: So, yes, her name is spelt very Gaelic, I believe, 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: and so it took me a minute to figure out 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: how to say it. 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: It's not smithe Smith. I did figure that out, just 42 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: everybody knows. 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: So she is a known writer, academic, queer and feminist 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: activist who's still advocating for the marginalized community today. 45 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: And she has talked about. 46 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 3: Her journey in feminism and how she began to get 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: take interest in the women's movements when she started college. 48 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: But honestly, she also talks about the back of that 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: you know as a woman naturally, which you would think 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 3: it's naturally, but that's what you've talked about before, it's not, 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: which made me very sad. But she's always had some 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: interest in women's rights and women's equality and understood the 53 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: depth of needed in that type of movement. I do 54 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: find her very interesting because she is if there is 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: a rating system for radicalists, she is probably pretty radical 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: in most people's books, because she really comes out swinging 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: and talking about how capitalism is also a part of 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: the downfall of equality, and if you've listened to our show, 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 3: we also have understood that concept as well. 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: Love everything about this. 61 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: But anyway back to she has referenced the women's liberation 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: movement in the seventies and how seeing all of this 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: has kind of made her into this activist seeing the 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: need and also ident'ty finding her own identity has led 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: her to this point as well. Again, she saw the 66 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: need for change not only for women but for the 67 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: LGBTQIA plus community and has been something that she has 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: been very vocal about in her activism. She identifies as 69 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: a lesbian and has done so a belief since the 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: nineties eighties, so not necessarily later in life. I want 71 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: to say midlife is when she kind of like, oh, 72 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: this is who I am. 73 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: This makes sense to me. 74 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: Her own life has been a whorldwind of activism, continue 75 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: to grow again in her advocacy, but something that she 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: talks about that has been somewhat lonely and painful. I 77 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: couldn't imagine, because the seventies eighties, being a radical feminist 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: could probably be very isolating for a very Catholic, old school, 79 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: traditional area. So in an article written about her by 80 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: The Cut quotes her saying this, when I started this work, 81 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: it created what I called a Siberian wind which would 82 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: blow between me and certain family members, certain friends. Also 83 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: in the late nineteen nineties, I came out as a 84 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 3: lesbian in Ireland, at least at the time, being a feminist, 85 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: pro choice lesbian really did not win you a lot 86 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: of friends. I felt quite isolated, like I've been branded 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: as a radical, which I don't have a problem with really. 88 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: I just happened to have always thought abortion is not 89 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 3: a particularly radical thing to be asking for, because every 90 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: single day there is something between ten to twelve women 91 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: that have to go to England for an abortion, which 92 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: is a terrible thing to have to do, and there 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: are two or three more women every day who take 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: the abortion pill without having the safety net of medical 95 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: care or medical supervision if something goes wrong. It was 96 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: often quite difficult dealing with friends and family members who 97 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: didn't understand I have some painful memories, which even now 98 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: I don't particularly want to talk about, is still painful. 99 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: And I hate that we're coming back into the same conversation. 100 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: And I will say, and I'm going to mention it 101 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: again later. Some of the articles that I'm mentioning are 102 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 3: like are old articles, like eight to ten years old. 103 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: But I thought it fascinating once again because you can 104 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: see kind of the cyclical looks of where we were 105 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: and where we are today, and I'm like, oh, could 106 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: we not go back to that? But anyway, her intersectional 107 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: advocacy work is fast. She's been feed by different organizations 108 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: for her work. Again, one specific issue that's always been 109 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: very vocal about has been reproductive rights, and in the 110 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: seventies eighties she worked with organizations to post things like 111 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: the eighth Amendment in the Irish Constitution, which was the 112 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: all right abortion ban placed on the Irish people. They 113 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: call it the Catholic It was a Catholic law slash 114 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 3: pro life law. 115 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: So obviously, again. 116 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: From that cut article, they quote her saying I've campaigned 117 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: for Irish women's rights, including abortion rights, since I was 118 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: quite a young woman in the nineteen seventies. I'm seventy 119 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: two now again an older article, and I had the 120 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: coalition to repeal the Eighth Amendment. 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: The eighth Amendment is the. 122 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: Clause to our constitution that prohibits abortion, and we're looking 123 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: at a referendum at the end of this week when 124 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: we hope to repeal it. 125 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: So this was. 126 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: Again I believe, done in twenty eighteen when they were 127 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: first talking about repealing that amendment, and they did so 128 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: while there's still pretty strict regulations placed on reproductive rights, 129 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: less strict than. 130 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: Than hours in Georgia. So you know, congrats. 131 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: With the help of activists like Smith and the organization 132 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: she chaired at the time, together for Yes, they were 133 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: able to replace some of the language of the Eighth Amendment, 134 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: giving more broader care for the irishwomen. So this is 135 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: a bit from wave dash Network dot org. Since nineteen 136 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: eighty three, when the Eighth Amendment was inserted into the 137 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: Constitution after a referendum. Smith has fought against the amendment, 138 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: effectively prohibits abortion, placing the rights of the unborn and 139 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 3: the mother on equal footing. Since then, about one hundred 140 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: and seventy thousand irishwomen have traveled to other countries, especially 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: to the UK, to obtain abortions. Five years ago, Smith 142 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: formed the Coalition to Repeal the Eighth Amendment to strengthen 143 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: the public debates on the issue and pushed for referendum 144 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: and finally in twenty eighteen, this long fight ended with 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: a victory. So they really did some amazing work. In 146 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: this conversation that's specific look at what had happened was 147 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: not about Smith specifically, but it featured her as in 148 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: her organization that she chaired, as being the head of 149 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: the reason of why it actually worked. 150 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: So I thought it was very significant. 151 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: Another organization she chaired, National LGBT Federation, also helped to 152 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: work for the rights of the LGBT community in Ireland. 153 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: Here's a bit from an interview that was done with 154 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: her in the Marxist dot Org. It's time now for 155 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: that to be resolved. So she was specifically talking at 156 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: the time about how equal marriage or equal rights of marriage, 157 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: same sex marriage was happening and there was finally getting 158 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: headway and like, okay, not that it was solved, but 159 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: it was addressed for a bit. And then she goes 160 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: on to say, in this country, recognition for trans people 161 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: in appropriate ways education, health, birth certificate documents and so 162 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: on is absolutely crucial and very urgent because trans people 163 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: are living in dreadfully difficult situations now due to the 164 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: failure to legislate appropriately. So just to note, this is 165 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: from a twenty fourteen article, so pretty old. This is 166 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 3: why I'm like, oh my god. Which it seemed like 167 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: things were going okay, Like think about our own twenty fourteen. 168 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: We were celebrating victories. The thing thought things were changing 169 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: like this was like hope. We were in the midst 170 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: of hope, meaning we were seeing things become again equal 171 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: and we uh. But it is interesting because she also 172 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 3: talks about the need for protecting trans rights then in 173 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: Ireland and about what it looks like when your rights 174 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 3: are oppressed. So I wanted this bit because she was like, 175 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: at this point, we got it. People don't understand oppression. 176 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: And it was twenty fourteen, you were seeing change. If 177 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: you were younger in that moment, you didn't know what happened. 178 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: Maybe you didn't know what happened with Stonewall, maybe you 179 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: didn't understand the AIDS epidemic and all the language that happened, 180 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: and true oppressive oppression and impressiveness that was occurring. So 181 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: she was talking about the fact that you know, they 182 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: don't understand. So this is an interesting part. Well, I 183 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: think there's been a de radicalization of social movements. Generally, 184 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: social movement politics went into abeyance. I think that's true 185 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: of feminism and women's rights, and I think that is 186 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: undoubtedly true of the lesbian gay movement. But first, I 187 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: think there are still pockets of radicalism which are extremely 188 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: important because there's still a need for struggle, there is 189 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: a need to achieve that liberation, which is still quite 190 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: distant in many ways. But also I think it's quite 191 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: understandable what happened and what happens in identity politics that 192 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: once your particular issue, that part of your identity seems 193 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: to be more accepted and seems to occupy more spacious 194 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: zone in society. Once that becomes more acceptable, you then 195 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: begin to live your life in those terms. And the 196 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 3: need for struggle in relation to your sexual identity becomes 197 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: less smart, less urgent, It becomes less your primary concern. 198 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 3: Whereas when that is oppressed or repressed, that is your 199 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: primary concern, and you do everything you can on the streets, 200 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: you do everything you can to achieve its acceptance. 201 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: Is it irony? Any what would what would we call this? 202 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: No, Samantha, I no joke. I once lost a huge 203 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: trivia based on the definition of irony. So do not 204 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: do this to me. It haunts me. 205 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: Wow, the triggering that happened was not the type of triggering. 206 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: I saw what happened. 207 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: I hear it, and I think, what have you done 208 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: to me? 209 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: Apologies back to No, But I do find it interesting 210 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: in this speech because it kind of is almost like 211 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: a foreshadowing of things that come. And I I am 212 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: so sad that we are back here again in knowing 213 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 3: that statement that in hearing the statement she talked about, 214 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 3: whereas whereas when that is appress or repressed, that it 215 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 3: is your primary concern. And that's where we are. That's 216 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: where we are in the US and in a lot 217 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 3: of places. We know that it's not just the US, 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: but primarily as we see things happening. It feels like 219 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: the warning that came eight years ago, because we were 220 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 3: kind of not necessarily stagnant, but we really thought we'd 221 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: hit such a great mark, you know. 222 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I remember talking to Bridget about this 223 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: forever ago, and she was like, I took that backpack off, 224 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: and I don't want to put that backpack on again. 225 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: I've got a new backpack, the backpack being whatever issue. 226 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: You were writing for. 227 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it is. It is easy to 228 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: feel that way, like, oh my god, I was just 229 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: thinking about it. I remember I was when gay marriage 230 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: was legalized, and it was like, Okay, this is done, 231 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: and now it's like, oh, any day it could be undone. 232 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: That's what the backpack comes back, right. 233 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: And exactly like that kind of was an interesting moment 234 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: of where she's like, Okay, we've done with that now, 235 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: but like, no, we're not. 236 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: No, we're not. Nope, we're back. We're back to that now. 237 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: We're back to the press oppressed moment. 238 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: In the same way with women's rights and reproductive rights 239 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: and abortion laws and all these things. It is very 240 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: sad to say yes, as you and Bridget would say, backpack, 241 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: but it's also saying like we're back to that oppressed 242 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: state and in which we are talking about going back 243 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: into that street. I will say she's been on some 244 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 3: podcasts recently, she's been doing some interview, she's been getting accolades, 245 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: still working her work like she is never done, obviously, 246 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 3: and it's it's interesting to see her talk even more 247 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: about it. I will say it was really refreshing because 248 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: I for all of our feminis around the world or 249 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: activists around the world, we try to make sure in 250 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: our best ability that they do align with our own beliefs, 251 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 3: including trans rites and understanding trans people, because there is 252 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: a lot of bad players. It was beautiful to see 253 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: that all of the articles that I saw were mad 254 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: at her for not being anti trans, you know, like 255 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: instead of like, oh she is she said this really 256 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: silly thing or that were like how could she? And 257 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh goodness, thank god. Especially when you see 258 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: old school icons you never know, yeah, you never know. 259 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: So she was also like a breath of fresh air 260 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: to see. And with that, it's no surprise. She's been 261 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: awarded with many accolades, and some of them include Lifetime 262 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: Achievement awards. She won Ireland's LGBTQ Awards. In twenty nineteen, 263 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: she was one of the top one hundred most Influential 264 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: for Time magazine, along with her co directors four Together 265 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: for Yes. In twenty twenty two, she was ordered the 266 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: Freedom of Dublin City Award. She's been awarded an honorary doctorate. 267 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: She also was ordered a big French that I can't 268 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: remember the name of because it's in French. I'm not 269 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: gonna make you say it, Annie, Okay. Usually I've been 270 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: trying to do a cutaway to be like, okay, any 271 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: you pronounce this. But she has done so much for 272 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: the community. She continues to do so much. She like 273 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 3: I think, began the women and Gender studies at the 274 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: University of Dublin. 275 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: Like she is an icon in so many ways. 276 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: So cheers to her and her amazing works and the 277 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: fact that we are still continuing this fight. 278 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: Yes, and thanks to the people who paved the way 279 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: for these fights and who continue to do them. We 280 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. 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