WEBVTT - #362 Packers Unscripted: Health and high scores 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:20.560 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.200 I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by the one 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.880 the only West Hodkowits were coming to you here from 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.680 our studios at lambeau Field and West as the Packers 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.800 get ready on this Thanksgiving week for a Sunday night 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.199 football showdown with Division rival Minnesota at US Bank Stadium. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.680 A bit of an injury update coming off of the 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.560 Packers Thursday night game last week in Seattle. Jimmy Graham 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.120 with an injured thumb, sounds like he's going to try 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.239 to work on some different splints or different things on 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.479 his hand to be able to try to play. So 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.560 some potential good news there. But Mike Daniels with his 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.880 foot injury that knocked him out of the tail end 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.040 of that Seattle game, it sounds like he's going to 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.000 be out a minimum of a few weeks. Yeah, it's 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.199 tough news on that regard, because, as I was saying 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.480 last week, I thought, even if the numbers weren't gaudy, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.560 I felt like Daniels was having a really good season, 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.120 and you see what his absence does, sort of the 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.520 domino effect with that defense. I mean that's such a 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.399 great one two punch they have in those nickel and 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.720 dime packages with him and Kenny Clark right now, and 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.280 obviously is a big contributor to their run base package 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.680 as well. But from Jimmy Graham's regard, it's interesting, I 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.520 kind of had forgotten about this, but the Packers have 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.040 been in this position before, the tight end. Richard Rogers 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.720 played through a broken finger a few years back. I 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.399 forgot all about now. It wasn't a thumb. I think 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.440 it was an index finger or something like that. But 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.360 so I don't know the difference there, what makes it 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.280 more difficult through how you have to condition that, But 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.120 it has happened before that the Packers have had a 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.240 tight end play through it. He just played with a splint. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:54.920 It wasn't like he had to put a club on 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.480 there anything, at least not that I remember. Mitchell Henry 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.520 did play with the club. But be that as it may, Uh, 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.440 you know, Jimmy Graham wanting a tough one out for 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.600 the team here certainly a big part of this offense 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.680 and what they're trying to do. So if he can 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.560 make a go of it, you know, that would be 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.119 pretty big for this uh, this offense moving forward. Yeah, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.320 and it's really too bad to see Mike Daniels go 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.359 down because I know some of the fans have been wondering, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.440 like where are the sacks and where the big plays 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.640 with Daniels. But I think what you said is really 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.040 the key. It's how Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels have 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.720 worked in tandem on the interior of that defensive line, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.239 particularly against the run. And we know Seattle, you know, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.400 number one rushing offense in the league. That was going 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.200 to be a tough task regardless. And really the Packers 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.840 did a did an okay job overall, uh, you know, 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.440 until down the stretch really in in the fourth quarter there. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.480 And I should just clarify as well, because I've reported 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.640 it incorrectly. We said it incorrectly on the show yesterday. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.280 The final drive after the Packers punted on fourth and 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.080 two in Seattle, Kenny Clark actually was on the fields. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.120 It was only well, it's just as much on me 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.280 as well. Mike Daniels was out of the game and 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.720 Kenny Clark had left the game brief flee But actually 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.800 for all of those plays after the fourth and two punt, 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.400 Kenny Clark was on the field to try to stop 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.000 the Seattle run offense there. So I just wanted to 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.200 clarify the facts and make sure that that's out there, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.400 don't straight. Yeah, I don't know whether that would influence 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.920 anybody's decision on the whole fourth and two, but we 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.919 just want to make sure that we're factually correct as 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.960 to what happened. Um. But I do think this, uh, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.840 this defensive front, which really when you look at how 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.399 Kyler Facral has come on and some of the other 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.760 things that are going on, this defensive front is gonna 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.200 miss Mike Daniels West and you know, obviously the Packers 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.680 backs are up against it here. No more margin for 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.840 air in terms of this season, and this is a 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.000 big loss. Yeah. And the one thing that's I think 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.720 sums up Mike daniels game the best ever since the 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.520 very beginning, is a fact. I don't even know if 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.040 you realize this, but I believe he's a half sack 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.280 or a full sack away from breaking the franchise record 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.640 by sacks by defensive tackle. That's right. Yeah, you had 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.840 mentioned that earlier this season. He's I believe tied right 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.440 now with Colin Jenkins for that at twenty nine. Just 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.800 a steady, consistent presence. His production isn't just like it 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.960 came in one year and then that's what you had 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.240 and then you had a different player. Besides that, he's 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.600 been the same guy from day one, And you mentioned 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.600 it was such a great point, probably if we rank 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.120 our top ten points of the two thousand eighteen season. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.120 When going into that game against the Patriots, you said, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.839 this is where Kenny Clark could potentially be double team. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.760 This is where they can be putting a heavier emphasis 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.279 on stopping him. Mike Daniels comes up with a sack 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.080 in those opportunities, so not having him there certainly Dean 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.120 Lawrie's available. I think Tyler Lancaster has done some good 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.360 things on Trevias Adams is a former third round pick. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.320 But Mike Daniels, there's a reason why he was playing 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.039 as much as he's playing this season. And the other 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.680 reality is they've already lost Mohammed Wilkerson, now you lose Daniels. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.280 Those are your two most experienced guys in the room. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.880 You know, you get really young at that position beyond 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.039 that right now, Yeah, Well, no other updates as of 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.400 yet on some of the guys in the secondary, as 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.839 far as Bashad Breland, who dropped out of the Seattle 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.080 game when the growing injury flared up again. Ray and 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.320 Green ended up bowing out of the Seattle game. Kevin 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.440 King did not play, spoke with reporters, obviously kind of 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.680 itching to get back out there, but but no definitive 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.640 word on where he is. Will find out Wednesday at 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.760 practice if he's able to get back on the field. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.039 Same with Randall Cobb, who has been dealing off and 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.239 on for quite a while now with the hamstring injury. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.520 So further updates I guess later in the week on that. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.320 But getting back to Jimmy Graham and the offense with 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.520 the tight end position, Um, that was a heck of 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.560 a play, a heck of a first catch of the 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:37.240 career for Robert Tanyan there in Seattle. And uh, this 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.800 guy's got such an interesting story. Where say, you know 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.800 that we talk about undrafted guys and their backstories and 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.760 whatnot all along, but there's something, there's something about this 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.839 guy's story that just kind of makes you smile. It does. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.680 And I was talking to him about this in the 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.360 locker room on Monday while you were in the Hedge 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.320 coaches news conference. And the thing that's interesting about Tanya 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:00.760 and in the position, and he's been in with the 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.200 Packers right now, is the fact that they decided to 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.960 keep four tight ends, and deservedly so. Uh. Aaron Rodgers 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.120 has even said it, calling him Bobby. I mean, Bobby 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.440 deserved a spot on that roster. He earned it. And 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.560 when he considered he was brought in in December, was 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:19.240 still a raw quarterback transitioned into receiver, transitioned into a 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.479 tight end. Uh, there was a long way that he 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.200 had to go with Brian Angelico and developing his talent. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.839 But then you add Jimmy Graham, and you add Marcedes 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.880 Lewis along with having Lance Kendricks back. It's over three 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.400 hundred and forty NFL starts among the three of them, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.680 over twenty seven NFL season, six Pro Bowls. However, you 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.640 want to slice it, a lot of production in this league. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.240 And then you have Robertsanian, who was a lightly recruited 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.840 UH alumnus of Indiana State, the first guy, the first 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.960 Sycamore to make an NFL opening fifty three man roster 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.919 since two thousand. I mean, Mercedes Lewis was you know, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.040 when he got drafted in the first round two thousand six, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.839 Tan was twelve. I mean, it's is things like that 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.000 that it really puts into perspective how far he's come, 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.120 uh and and to be able to make it in 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.320 this uh the spot. And you know, over the last 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.840 few months talking with Lance kendricks I, talked with Marcedes 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.239 Lewis after the game on Sunday, These guys are truly 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.920 happy for him. Just and if you if you know 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.520 tany if you watch him in the locker room, he's 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.480 a very unassuming personality. You know, he just goes about 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.240 his business day in and day out, just tries to 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.320 do whatever he's asked to do. He doesn't complain about 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.160 playing time. If he gets three snaps, those are the 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.640 biggest three snaps of his season. And you can just 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:36.360 tell how much him making that play meant to them 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.480 as a position. Yeah, and it's interesting here too, West 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.080 because we talk about how the Packers seem to find 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.320 these undrafted guys here and there throughout, you know, the 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.080 last several years, there are always young ones that emerge. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.400 And it's interesting in this particular case because it's a 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:59.120 story like Tanyan's that attracts the undrafted free agents to 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.120 Green Bay. They have the pick of the litter, so 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.200 to speak. They have opportunities, maybe multiple offers, to go 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.880 different places. Because this is a young guy. You mentioned 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.280 the school Indiana State not not a college football program 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.560 with a huge pedigree producing NFL players, and he comes 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.000 in at a position where the Packers have three established 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.200 veteran guys who are probably not going to be moved 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.040 out of their positions. Yet he was given an opportunity. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.440 He took advantage of that opportunity, and he earned a 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.080 roster spot, and they gave him that roster spot because 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.440 he had earned it regardless of the other guys who 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.200 were at the position. Those are the kinds of things 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.400 that agents that young players they noticed that. They notice 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.720 how teams handle those situations. Now that doesn't mean it 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.880 always works out for everybody, but in this particular case, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.560 this is one that this is one that that gets noticed. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.040 I was talking remember that story I wrote Antonian back 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.200 in September, And I don't know if I included this 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.960 this tidbit in the story or not, but I was 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:59.800 talking with his dad, Big Bob, his dad all right, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.560 and uh in his mom Tammy and they recalled sitting 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.480 down and believe it was with Jack Becta, who was 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.880 the agent for a number of different Packer players but 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.319 also the agent for Tanyan. And Becta they got attached 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.319 to him because I believe he was also representing C. J. Fedorowitz, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.560 and Fedorowitz and Tanyan had a history veteran agent in 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.960 this league, veteran agent this league, and he sat down 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.559 with him when when Tanyan was coming down and they 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.360 signed with him going into the draft, and he explained 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.760 to him, you know what this path is like for 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.680 undrafted players, how nothing is guaranteed and ultimately you have 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.200 to have patience. But after he and he needed it 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.439 because he got cut by Detroit and it wasn't like 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.840 like it was like right down to the wire. He 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.120 basically knew going into that final round of cuts he 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.800 didn't get a lot of chances to play. He knew 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.040 he was going to be use like the six or 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.800 seven tight down on the depth chart. He knew his 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.880 time was up there. But to keep that mentality and 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.520 when he ultimately signed with the Packers, he listening to 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.040 his parents even though they have no understanding of how 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.960 the NFL really works, right, But they knew the opportunity 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.920 he was coming into in Green Bay and that he 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:03.640 was going to get a fair shake to develop his 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.520 talent and to show that. Okay, regardless of if you 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.719 are Lance Kendrick's former consensus All American, former second round 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.160 draft pick, or you're Robert Tanyan, you're going to give 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.000 a chance to to really prove yourself. Tanyan got that, 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.600 and I think the biggest thing for him was, yes, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.800 he signed that futures contract in January, but you and 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.120 I both know how these things work. Mike, guys get 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.040 held over from the practice squad across the NFL. It 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.240 doesn't mean you're making a roster doesn't mean you're making 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.640 it to training camp. Because you signed free agents, you 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.199 get your draft class, you get another crop of undrafted 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.720 rookies very quickly do they turn through those type of players. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.440 Tanyan held On got two touchdowns in the preseason and 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.600 then ends up making a really big impact when he 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.480 came back. He put in the time, he added the weight, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.360 he did everything he needed to do. If Jimmy Graham plays, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.400 who knows when he's going to get his next substantial 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.320 opportunity on offense. But the fact that he did get 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.240 that fifty four yard of the fact he did everything 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.480 right on the scrambled drill went back to the sign 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.400 line and got the praise from Aaron Rodgers. It's gonna 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.120 go a long way in developing that trust, not just 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.160 with Rogers, but with these offensive coaches to know that 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.320 when they need to count on that guy, he's going 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.000 to be up to the challenge. Yeah, And he said 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.319 it himself that it's not about getting ready for the opportunity, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.360 it's about being ready for it, so you don't have 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.679 to get ready. And obviously, with Jimmy Graham, hats off 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.400 to him if he tries to play and can still 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.560 hopefully produce for the Packers, but with an injury like that, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.320 he could end up having to bow out of a 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.280 game at any time and all of a sudden, tany 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:27.920 and might might be the guy who gets called. And 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.360 it's a big credit to Tony that Mike McCarthy stepped 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.560 right up and said, hey, he's ready, because we know, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.560 we know how you can read between the lines. If 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.080 he wasn't ready, they're not gonna be saying those type 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.080 of things. They're gonna talk about special teams are gonna 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.000 be talking about him earning the opportunity. No, I mean 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.120 there's confidence now that if Tanya needs to be in there, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.840 he needs to be in there. And he even said, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.480 you know he does he still get nerves when he's 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.959 in a huddle with Aaron Rodgers. Absolutely, But I think 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.960 if you ask Rogers that, I think if you ask 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.720 any player that you want those nerves because if you're 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.040 not nervous as a rookie or first year player being 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.920 with Rogers, why are you there? It means a lot 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.800 to Tany And I think so far this season he's 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.839 proven it. Yeah, all right, Well, a little bit of 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.040 sponsor here, Business West, and I'm gonna double up just 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.400 so I don't forget anything. 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We believe in Better Okay West the Week, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.560 a week that has the sport of football in the 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.720 spotlight because we have Thanksgiving coming up and some great 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.040 matchups that we'll talk about on our next show with 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.360 a great day of Thanksgiving football. But the Monday Night 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.360 football heading into Thanksgiving football was one that will not 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.439 be soon forgotten. Fifty four to fifty one, the Rams 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.280 over the Chiefs, the third highest scoring NFL game in 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.720 history and the highest scoring Monday Night game in NFL history, 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.640 beating a thirty five year old record that the Packers 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.760 held from the Green Bay Washington game back in three 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.320 which was two days after my eleventh birthday October sevente 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:33.120 the Packers beat the Washington Redskins. Points had been the 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.640 all time record on Monday Night football. This one beats 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.600 it by ten, and holy cow, I don't even know 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.400 where to start with this. I know you have some 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.920 strong feelings about this one. I have some strong feelings. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.880 First and foremost, though, what are the Vegas odds right now? 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.400 On Mark Murphy bringing this up on Murphy takes five 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.280 next month for the first Saturday. He always likes to 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.319 talk about that, that Washington Packers game he gets he 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.280 he gets asked about that by fans more than anything else, 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.040 I think, because he was the starting safety from the 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.920 defending Super Bowl champion Washington team then. And uh and 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.560 the ninety five points ironically should have been if the 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.600 reigning NFL m v P Mark Moseley makes the kick 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.840 at the end, the Redskins would have won. It would 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.360 have been points. But anyway, is there anything better than 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.720 eighties football where a kicker was an m v P. Yeah, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.480 the kicker was the m v P of the league. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.280 What more could ask? Awesome? All right? As far as 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.200 this game, yeah, I mean, okay, first full looks, full disclosure. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.920 I ended up winning my fantasy football game, just running 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.440 away with it because Tyreek hilled. I mean, the Los 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.680 Angeles had no answer for him whatsoever. But here's the 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.800 other thing about this. Anybody that complains about the Packers 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.160 out running the ball enough, I hope you watched this 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.280 game on Monday night because you know, spoiler alert, this 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.400 is what the entire league is doing at this point. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.160 I mean, Kareem Hunting and Todd Gurley, what do they 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.360 have like twenty carries among between the two of them, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:03.240 twenty six together. It's very exciting, Michael. I'm sure people 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:04.600 loved it. I'm sure they were on the edge of 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.560 their seat, all who's going to score now? But we've 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.760 seen two of these games this year with Kansas City. Now, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.280 if you go back to the Patriots game, it's fun. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.160 Everyone loves scoring. But I'm old school, right, I'm an 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.800 old millennial. I'm on the upper echelon of that, right. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.440 I love defense. There was no defense to be had 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.000 in this game whatsoever. It was either the defense has 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.800 made a big play as in scoring a touchdown, because 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.400 I think there were three defensive touchdowns in the game. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.240 Defenses are either making a big play to score points themselves, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.760 or there was just no resistance whatsoever. You know, I 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.920 don't know, but quite frankly, this is this is what 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.120 you get when you're going to protect quarterbacks, as much 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.240 as the league wants to protect quarterbacks, when you're going 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:52.280 to have all of these rules about defenseless receivers, and 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.240 you know, and I get it that a lot of 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.520 this is is safety oriented and all that kind of stuff. 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.000 But what defense has always had going for them was 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.360 that little bit of intimidation because you could you could 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.320 hit a guy, you know, you could, you could send 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.120 a message here and there. That's what That's why in 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.560 the in the seventies, you know, in the old Raiders, Raiders, 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.640 Steelers Classic a f C type games in the seventies, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.560 you didn't have scores like this because the game was 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.400 played differently. I'll tell you a little story, Michael. Okay, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.440 my son is eleven months old now, and he's starting 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.840 to develop, like he's starting to think a little bit more. Right, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.880 My brother and sister in law have two cats. One 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.440 of them's clawed and one of them's D Clause. Right, 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.640 which one do you think my son messes with? You know, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:39.600 you're not messing with the Claude cat. You're gonna go 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.160 after the D Claude cat. And I think to some extent, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.360 that's what you're seeing with the NFL. Now, hey, listen, 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.880 you still have to be able to complete the passes. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.720 You still have to be able to move with rhythm 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.000 and timing, and there's other teams in the league that 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.160 are struggling struggling offensively. So I'm not gonna hate on 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.520 Kansas City or l A, both prolific offenses this season 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.080 from putting up points. It's fine, I get that, but 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.640 it is really interesting that Kansas City statistically is gonna 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.520 end up having one of the worst defenses in NFL 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.000 history this year just with the amount of points and 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.800 the amount of yards that it's allowed. It is what 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.000 it is. I think ultimately, as exciting as these games are, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.800 the one thing the playoffs does well with having the 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.720 single game format is you're gonna see who the best 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.960 teams are. Who's going to be the teams that offensively 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.879 can still push the ball but also have performances like 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.560 you know Philadelphia had leading up to the Super Bowl, 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.280 where you can win close games. And that's gonna be 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.479 something I'll have my eye on because even though these 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.320 are two really high scoring teams, you know, how do 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.359 they match up with New Orleans? You know, if New 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.120 Orleans puts up points like that, I'm curious to see. Well. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.960 And the other thing too, is I was reading another 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.120 article because there was a little bit of a controversy 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.280 with how the NFL sort of assembled a playoff type 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.360 all star afficiating crew for this game, But then there 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.639 were twenty six flags that were thrown, including penalties that 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.359 were declined. I'll just say this west as far as 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.520 the way the game is played these days, I'm reminded 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.840 every Saturday when I get an opportunity to watch college 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.959 football that illegal contact is a penalty that doesn't exist 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.959 in college football. You can put your hands on a receiver, 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.160 you can bump them, you can make contact with them 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.920 until the ball is in the air. In the NFL, 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.320 you just have that five You just have that five 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.000 yard zone. Now in college they can't grab them, they 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.160 can't grab their jerseys and yank them around and stuff. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.239 That's defensive holding. But in the NFL, man, it is 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.160 just getting it's getting really really hard to play defense 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.960 when you have when you have quarterbacks with the with 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.800 the arm, talent, the accuracy and all that. These guys 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.560 like golf in the homes that we saw on Monday 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.400 Night football, Um, they're just they're just gonna be tough 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.119 to stop. Well, And it's a great point you make, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.080 because it's not only getting hard to, you know, to 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.119 play defense. But it's getting hard to referee and officiate 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.040 that type of contact with any kind of regularity because 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.919 everything is just a single instance, you know, so what 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.119 is the statue? And it almost in some ways it 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.639 does sort of remind you of an umpire behind a 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.040 you know, behind a catcher, and you've got to figure 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.879 out what the strike zone is looking like that night 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.000 and contour yourself to it. Although there's a number of 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.440 different eyes looking at at this particular play, um, it 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.000 is what it is. I think from a when the 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:20.080 night ended, I was looking at Twitter and everybody for 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.280 the most part, was unilaterally just praising the game and 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.280 the excitement and this is make this game never end 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.000