1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by the one 3 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: the only West Hodkowits were coming to you here from 4 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: our studios at lambeau Field and West as the Packers 5 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: get ready on this Thanksgiving week for a Sunday night 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: football showdown with Division rival Minnesota at US Bank Stadium. 7 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: A bit of an injury update coming off of the 8 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: Packers Thursday night game last week in Seattle. Jimmy Graham 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: with an injured thumb, sounds like he's going to try 10 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: to work on some different splints or different things on 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: his hand to be able to try to play. So 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: some potential good news there. But Mike Daniels with his 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: foot injury that knocked him out of the tail end 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: of that Seattle game, it sounds like he's going to 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: be out a minimum of a few weeks. Yeah, it's 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: tough news on that regard, because, as I was saying 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: last week, I thought, even if the numbers weren't gaudy, 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: I felt like Daniels was having a really good season, 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: and you see what his absence does, sort of the 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: domino effect with that defense. I mean that's such a 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: great one two punch they have in those nickel and 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: dime packages with him and Kenny Clark right now, and 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: obviously is a big contributor to their run base package 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: as well. But from Jimmy Graham's regard, it's interesting, I 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: kind of had forgotten about this, but the Packers have 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: been in this position before, the tight end. Richard Rogers 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: played through a broken finger a few years back. I 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: forgot all about now. It wasn't a thumb. I think 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: it was an index finger or something like that. But 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: so I don't know the difference there, what makes it 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: more difficult through how you have to condition that, But 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: it has happened before that the Packers have had a 33 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: tight end play through it. He just played with a splint. 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't like he had to put a club on 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: there anything, at least not that I remember. Mitchell Henry 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: did play with the club. But be that as it may, Uh, 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Graham wanting a tough one out for 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: the team here certainly a big part of this offense 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: and what they're trying to do. So if he can 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: make a go of it, you know, that would be 41 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: pretty big for this uh, this offense moving forward. Yeah, 42 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: and it's really too bad to see Mike Daniels go 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: down because I know some of the fans have been wondering, 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: like where are the sacks and where the big plays 45 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: with Daniels. But I think what you said is really 46 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: the key. It's how Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels have 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: worked in tandem on the interior of that defensive line, 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: particularly against the run. And we know Seattle, you know, 49 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: number one rushing offense in the league. That was going 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: to be a tough task regardless. And really the Packers 51 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: did a did an okay job overall, uh, you know, 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: until down the stretch really in in the fourth quarter there. 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: And I should just clarify as well, because I've reported 54 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: it incorrectly. We said it incorrectly on the show yesterday. 55 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: The final drive after the Packers punted on fourth and 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: two in Seattle, Kenny Clark actually was on the fields. 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: It was only well, it's just as much on me 58 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: as well. Mike Daniels was out of the game and 59 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark had left the game brief flee But actually 60 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: for all of those plays after the fourth and two punt, 61 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark was on the field to try to stop 62 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: the Seattle run offense there. So I just wanted to 63 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: clarify the facts and make sure that that's out there, 64 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: don't straight. Yeah, I don't know whether that would influence 65 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: anybody's decision on the whole fourth and two, but we 66 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: just want to make sure that we're factually correct as 67 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: to what happened. Um. But I do think this, uh, 68 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: this defensive front, which really when you look at how 69 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: Kyler Facral has come on and some of the other 70 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: things that are going on, this defensive front is gonna 71 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: miss Mike Daniels West and you know, obviously the Packers 72 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: backs are up against it here. No more margin for 73 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: air in terms of this season, and this is a 74 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: big loss. Yeah. And the one thing that's I think 75 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: sums up Mike daniels game the best ever since the 76 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: very beginning, is a fact. I don't even know if 77 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: you realize this, but I believe he's a half sack 78 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: or a full sack away from breaking the franchise record 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: by sacks by defensive tackle. That's right. Yeah, you had 80 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: mentioned that earlier this season. He's I believe tied right 81 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: now with Colin Jenkins for that at twenty nine. Just 82 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: a steady, consistent presence. His production isn't just like it 83 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: came in one year and then that's what you had 84 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: and then you had a different player. Besides that, he's 85 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: been the same guy from day one, And you mentioned 86 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: it was such a great point, probably if we rank 87 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: our top ten points of the two thousand eighteen season. 88 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: When going into that game against the Patriots, you said, 89 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: this is where Kenny Clark could potentially be double team. 90 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: This is where they can be putting a heavier emphasis 91 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: on stopping him. Mike Daniels comes up with a sack 92 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: in those opportunities, so not having him there certainly Dean 93 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: Lawrie's available. I think Tyler Lancaster has done some good 94 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: things on Trevias Adams is a former third round pick. 95 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: But Mike Daniels, there's a reason why he was playing 96 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: as much as he's playing this season. And the other 97 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: reality is they've already lost Mohammed Wilkerson, now you lose Daniels. 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: Those are your two most experienced guys in the room. 99 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, you get really young at that position beyond 100 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: that right now, Yeah, Well, no other updates as of 101 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: yet on some of the guys in the secondary, as 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: far as Bashad Breland, who dropped out of the Seattle 103 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: game when the growing injury flared up again. Ray and 104 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Green ended up bowing out of the Seattle game. Kevin 105 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: King did not play, spoke with reporters, obviously kind of 106 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: itching to get back out there, but but no definitive 107 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: word on where he is. Will find out Wednesday at 108 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: practice if he's able to get back on the field. 109 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: Same with Randall Cobb, who has been dealing off and 110 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: on for quite a while now with the hamstring injury. 111 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: So further updates I guess later in the week on that. 112 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: But getting back to Jimmy Graham and the offense with 113 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: the tight end position, Um, that was a heck of 114 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: a play, a heck of a first catch of the 115 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: career for Robert Tanyan there in Seattle. And uh, this 116 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: guy's got such an interesting story. Where say, you know 117 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: that we talk about undrafted guys and their backstories and 118 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: whatnot all along, but there's something, there's something about this 119 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: guy's story that just kind of makes you smile. It does. 120 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: And I was talking to him about this in the 121 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: locker room on Monday while you were in the Hedge 122 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: coaches news conference. And the thing that's interesting about Tanya 123 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: and in the position, and he's been in with the 124 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: Packers right now, is the fact that they decided to 125 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: keep four tight ends, and deservedly so. Uh. Aaron Rodgers 126 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: has even said it, calling him Bobby. I mean, Bobby 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: deserved a spot on that roster. He earned it. And 128 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: when he considered he was brought in in December, was 129 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: still a raw quarterback transitioned into receiver, transitioned into a 130 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: tight end. Uh, there was a long way that he 131 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: had to go with Brian Angelico and developing his talent. 132 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: But then you add Jimmy Graham, and you add Marcedes 133 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: Lewis along with having Lance Kendricks back. It's over three 134 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: hundred and forty NFL starts among the three of them, 135 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: over twenty seven NFL season, six Pro Bowls. However, you 136 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: want to slice it, a lot of production in this league. 137 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: And then you have Robertsanian, who was a lightly recruited 138 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: UH alumnus of Indiana State, the first guy, the first 139 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Sycamore to make an NFL opening fifty three man roster 140 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: since two thousand. I mean, Mercedes Lewis was you know, 141 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: when he got drafted in the first round two thousand six, 142 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: Tan was twelve. I mean, it's is things like that 143 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: that it really puts into perspective how far he's come, 144 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: uh and and to be able to make it in 145 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: this uh the spot. And you know, over the last 146 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: few months talking with Lance kendricks I, talked with Marcedes 147 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: Lewis after the game on Sunday, These guys are truly 148 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: happy for him. Just and if you if you know 149 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: tany if you watch him in the locker room, he's 150 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: a very unassuming personality. You know, he just goes about 151 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: his business day in and day out, just tries to 152 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: do whatever he's asked to do. He doesn't complain about 153 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: playing time. If he gets three snaps, those are the 154 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: biggest three snaps of his season. And you can just 155 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: tell how much him making that play meant to them 156 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: as a position. Yeah, and it's interesting here too, West 157 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: because we talk about how the Packers seem to find 158 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: these undrafted guys here and there throughout, you know, the 159 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: last several years, there are always young ones that emerge. 160 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: And it's interesting in this particular case because it's a 161 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: story like Tanyan's that attracts the undrafted free agents to 162 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Green Bay. They have the pick of the litter, so 163 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: to speak. They have opportunities, maybe multiple offers, to go 164 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: different places. Because this is a young guy. You mentioned 165 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: the school Indiana State not not a college football program 166 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: with a huge pedigree producing NFL players, and he comes 167 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: in at a position where the Packers have three established 168 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: veteran guys who are probably not going to be moved 169 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: out of their positions. Yet he was given an opportunity. 170 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: He took advantage of that opportunity, and he earned a 171 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: roster spot, and they gave him that roster spot because 172 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: he had earned it regardless of the other guys who 173 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: were at the position. Those are the kinds of things 174 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: that agents that young players they noticed that. They notice 175 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: how teams handle those situations. Now that doesn't mean it 176 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: always works out for everybody, but in this particular case, 177 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: this is one that this is one that that gets noticed. 178 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: I was talking remember that story I wrote Antonian back 179 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: in September, And I don't know if I included this 180 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: this tidbit in the story or not, but I was 181 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: talking with his dad, Big Bob, his dad all right, 182 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: and uh in his mom Tammy and they recalled sitting 183 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: down and believe it was with Jack Becta, who was 184 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: the agent for a number of different Packer players but 185 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: also the agent for Tanyan. And Becta they got attached 186 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: to him because I believe he was also representing C. J. Fedorowitz, 187 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: and Fedorowitz and Tanyan had a history veteran agent in 188 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: this league, veteran agent this league, and he sat down 189 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: with him when when Tanyan was coming down and they 190 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: signed with him going into the draft, and he explained 191 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: to him, you know what this path is like for 192 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: undrafted players, how nothing is guaranteed and ultimately you have 193 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: to have patience. But after he and he needed it 194 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: because he got cut by Detroit and it wasn't like 195 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: like it was like right down to the wire. He 196 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: basically knew going into that final round of cuts he 197 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of chances to play. He knew 198 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: he was going to be use like the six or 199 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: seven tight down on the depth chart. He knew his 200 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: time was up there. But to keep that mentality and 201 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: when he ultimately signed with the Packers, he listening to 202 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: his parents even though they have no understanding of how 203 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: the NFL really works, right, But they knew the opportunity 204 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: he was coming into in Green Bay and that he 205 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: was going to get a fair shake to develop his 206 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: talent and to show that. Okay, regardless of if you 207 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: are Lance Kendrick's former consensus All American, former second round 208 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: draft pick, or you're Robert Tanyan, you're going to give 209 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: a chance to to really prove yourself. Tanyan got that, 210 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: and I think the biggest thing for him was, yes, 211 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: he signed that futures contract in January, but you and 212 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: I both know how these things work. Mike, guys get 213 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: held over from the practice squad across the NFL. It 214 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're making a roster doesn't mean you're making 215 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: it to training camp. Because you signed free agents, you 216 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: get your draft class, you get another crop of undrafted 217 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: rookies very quickly do they turn through those type of players. 218 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: Tanyan held On got two touchdowns in the preseason and 219 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: then ends up making a really big impact when he 220 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: came back. He put in the time, he added the weight, 221 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: he did everything he needed to do. If Jimmy Graham plays, 222 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: who knows when he's going to get his next substantial 223 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: opportunity on offense. But the fact that he did get 224 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: that fifty four yard of the fact he did everything 225 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: right on the scrambled drill went back to the sign 226 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: line and got the praise from Aaron Rodgers. It's gonna 227 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: go a long way in developing that trust, not just 228 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: with Rogers, but with these offensive coaches to know that 229 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: when they need to count on that guy, he's going 230 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: to be up to the challenge. Yeah, And he said 231 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: it himself that it's not about getting ready for the opportunity, 232 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: it's about being ready for it, so you don't have 233 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: to get ready. And obviously, with Jimmy Graham, hats off 234 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: to him if he tries to play and can still 235 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: hopefully produce for the Packers, but with an injury like that, 236 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: he could end up having to bow out of a 237 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: game at any time and all of a sudden, tany 238 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: and might might be the guy who gets called. And 239 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: it's a big credit to Tony that Mike McCarthy stepped 240 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: right up and said, hey, he's ready, because we know, 241 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: we know how you can read between the lines. If 242 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: he wasn't ready, they're not gonna be saying those type 243 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: of things. They're gonna talk about special teams are gonna 244 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: be talking about him earning the opportunity. No, I mean 245 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: there's confidence now that if Tanya needs to be in there, 246 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: he needs to be in there. And he even said, 247 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: you know he does he still get nerves when he's 248 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: in a huddle with Aaron Rodgers. Absolutely, But I think 249 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: if you ask Rogers that, I think if you ask 250 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: any player that you want those nerves because if you're 251 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: not nervous as a rookie or first year player being 252 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: with Rogers, why are you there? It means a lot 253 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: to Tany And I think so far this season he's 254 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: proven it. Yeah, all right, Well, a little bit of 255 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: sponsor here, Business West, and I'm gonna double up just 256 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: so I don't forget anything. So Packers fans be sure 257 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: to stop in at your local Quick Trip and pick 258 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: up your Packers cup today, get eighty nine cent refills 259 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: on your Cafe Karuba coffee all season long, and do 260 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: not forget. It is time to enter the Cousins Subs 261 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: Best Seats in the House promotion. 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We believe in Better Okay West the Week, 269 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: a week that has the sport of football in the 270 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: spotlight because we have Thanksgiving coming up and some great 271 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: matchups that we'll talk about on our next show with 272 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: a great day of Thanksgiving football. But the Monday Night 273 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: football heading into Thanksgiving football was one that will not 274 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: be soon forgotten. Fifty four to fifty one, the Rams 275 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: over the Chiefs, the third highest scoring NFL game in 276 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: history and the highest scoring Monday Night game in NFL history, 277 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: beating a thirty five year old record that the Packers 278 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: held from the Green Bay Washington game back in three 279 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: which was two days after my eleventh birthday October sevente 280 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: the Packers beat the Washington Redskins. Points had been the 281 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: all time record on Monday Night football. This one beats 282 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: it by ten, and holy cow, I don't even know 283 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: where to start with this. I know you have some 284 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: strong feelings about this one. I have some strong feelings. 285 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: First and foremost, though, what are the Vegas odds right now? 286 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: On Mark Murphy bringing this up on Murphy takes five 287 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: next month for the first Saturday. He always likes to 288 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: talk about that, that Washington Packers game he gets he 289 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: he gets asked about that by fans more than anything else, 290 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: I think, because he was the starting safety from the 291 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: defending Super Bowl champion Washington team then. And uh and 292 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: the ninety five points ironically should have been if the 293 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: reigning NFL m v P Mark Moseley makes the kick 294 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: at the end, the Redskins would have won. It would 295 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: have been points. But anyway, is there anything better than 296 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: eighties football where a kicker was an m v P. Yeah, 297 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: the kicker was the m v P of the league. 298 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: What more could ask? Awesome? All right? As far as 299 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: this game, yeah, I mean, okay, first full looks, full disclosure. 300 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: I ended up winning my fantasy football game, just running 301 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: away with it because Tyreek hilled. I mean, the Los 302 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: Angeles had no answer for him whatsoever. But here's the 303 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: other thing about this. Anybody that complains about the Packers 304 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: out running the ball enough, I hope you watched this 305 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: game on Monday night because you know, spoiler alert, this 306 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: is what the entire league is doing at this point. 307 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Kareem Hunting and Todd Gurley, what do they 308 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: have like twenty carries among between the two of them, 309 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: twenty six together. It's very exciting, Michael. I'm sure people 310 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: loved it. I'm sure they were on the edge of 311 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: their seat, all who's going to score now? But we've 312 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: seen two of these games this year with Kansas City. Now, 313 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: if you go back to the Patriots game, it's fun. 314 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: Everyone loves scoring. But I'm old school, right, I'm an 315 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: old millennial. I'm on the upper echelon of that, right. 316 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: I love defense. There was no defense to be had 317 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: in this game whatsoever. It was either the defense has 318 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: made a big play as in scoring a touchdown, because 319 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: I think there were three defensive touchdowns in the game. 320 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Defenses are either making a big play to score points themselves, 321 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: or there was just no resistance whatsoever. You know, I 322 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: don't know, but quite frankly, this is this is what 323 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: you get when you're going to protect quarterbacks, as much 324 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: as the league wants to protect quarterbacks, when you're going 325 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: to have all of these rules about defenseless receivers, and 326 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I get it that a lot of 327 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: this is is safety oriented and all that kind of stuff. 328 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: But what defense has always had going for them was 329 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: that little bit of intimidation because you could you could 330 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: hit a guy, you know, you could, you could send 331 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: a message here and there. That's what That's why in 332 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: the in the seventies, you know, in the old Raiders, Raiders, 333 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: Steelers Classic a f C type games in the seventies, 334 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: you didn't have scores like this because the game was 335 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: played differently. I'll tell you a little story, Michael. Okay, 336 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: my son is eleven months old now, and he's starting 337 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: to develop, like he's starting to think a little bit more. Right, 338 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: My brother and sister in law have two cats. One 339 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: of them's clawed and one of them's D Clause. Right, 340 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: which one do you think my son messes with? You know, 341 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: you're not messing with the Claude cat. You're gonna go 342 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: after the D Claude cat. And I think to some extent, 343 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: that's what you're seeing with the NFL. Now, hey, listen, 344 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: you still have to be able to complete the passes. 345 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: You still have to be able to move with rhythm 346 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: and timing, and there's other teams in the league that 347 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: are struggling struggling offensively. So I'm not gonna hate on 348 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: Kansas City or l A, both prolific offenses this season 349 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: from putting up points. It's fine, I get that, but 350 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: it is really interesting that Kansas City statistically is gonna 351 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: end up having one of the worst defenses in NFL 352 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: history this year just with the amount of points and 353 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: the amount of yards that it's allowed. It is what 354 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: it is. I think ultimately, as exciting as these games are, 355 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: the one thing the playoffs does well with having the 356 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: single game format is you're gonna see who the best 357 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: teams are. Who's going to be the teams that offensively 358 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: can still push the ball but also have performances like 359 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: you know Philadelphia had leading up to the Super Bowl, 360 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: where you can win close games. And that's gonna be 361 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 1: something I'll have my eye on because even though these 362 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: are two really high scoring teams, you know, how do 363 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: they match up with New Orleans? You know, if New 364 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: Orleans puts up points like that, I'm curious to see. Well. 365 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: And the other thing too, is I was reading another 366 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: article because there was a little bit of a controversy 367 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: with how the NFL sort of assembled a playoff type 368 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: all star afficiating crew for this game, But then there 369 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: were twenty six flags that were thrown, including penalties that 370 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: were declined. I'll just say this west as far as 371 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: the way the game is played these days, I'm reminded 372 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: every Saturday when I get an opportunity to watch college 373 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: football that illegal contact is a penalty that doesn't exist 374 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: in college football. You can put your hands on a receiver, 375 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: you can bump them, you can make contact with them 376 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: until the ball is in the air. In the NFL, 377 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: you just have that five You just have that five 378 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: yard zone. Now in college they can't grab them, they 379 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: can't grab their jerseys and yank them around and stuff. 380 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 1: That's defensive holding. But in the NFL, man, it is 381 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: just getting it's getting really really hard to play defense 382 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: when you have when you have quarterbacks with the with 383 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: the arm, talent, the accuracy and all that. These guys 384 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: like golf in the homes that we saw on Monday 385 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: Night football, Um, they're just they're just gonna be tough 386 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: to stop. Well, And it's a great point you make, 387 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: because it's not only getting hard to, you know, to 388 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: play defense. But it's getting hard to referee and officiate 389 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: that type of contact with any kind of regularity because 390 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: everything is just a single instance, you know, so what 391 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: is the statue? And it almost in some ways it 392 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: does sort of remind you of an umpire behind a 393 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, behind a catcher, and you've got to figure 394 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: out what the strike zone is looking like that night 395 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: and contour yourself to it. Although there's a number of 396 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: different eyes looking at at this particular play, um, it 397 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: is what it is. I think from a when the 398 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: night ended, I was looking at Twitter and everybody for 399 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: the most part, was unilaterally just praising the game and 400 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: the excitement and this is make this game never end 401 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: and and that's cool. But as I said when I 402 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: came into the office on Tuesday morning, I covered the 403 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: Arena Football League for five years, and I'm not trying 404 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: to say that this is what this is. But I 405 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: remember some of the better games that I watched back then. 406 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: We're the ones that I was like, okay, when the 407 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: defense actually does make a stop, when it actually does 408 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: make a play, and I just I really don't want 409 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: another Super Bowl where it's just the highest scoring super 410 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: Bowl ever the most yards. Yeah, I agree with We'll 411 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: see where the season takes us. But again, that's the 412 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: beautiful thing about the NFL is that you get a 413 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: number of different styles at a number of different philosophies. 414 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: Which style philosophy is gonna best compliment your talent on 415 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: the field, and that's ultimately who's going to win that championship. Yeah, 416 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: and you wonder when when I look at a game 417 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: like this and you talk about what happened in the 418 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl last year, what it comes what it's coming 419 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: down to for defense in this league is to make 420 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: a big play at the end the time. It's not 421 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: about it's not about what happens in the first three quarters. 422 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: If your defense can make a big play for you 423 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, that can be the difference between 424 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: winning and losing. I go back to too every day, Michael. 425 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: I go back and I replay that two thousand eleven 426 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: Packers season in my head for that reason, because I 427 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: think that defense got a pretty bad rap. I mean, yeah, 428 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: I gave up a ton of yards, but they were 429 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: also putting up a ton offensively. But they ended up 430 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: leading the league in interceptions. That a ton of a 431 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: ton of turnovers that helped out that offense that was 432 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: piling up. So I still and I agree with Mike 433 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: what Mike Petton said. I don't think total yard is 434 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen is how you need to 435 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: measure the top ten defense and top ten offense in 436 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: the league. But but that being said, it's about making plays, 437 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: and it just so happened in this particular game, you know, 438 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: with the way it shook out. You know, the Rams 439 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: made enough of them in in Kansas City turned the 440 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: ball over one too many times and that was a difference. 441 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: All right. With that, we will call it a wrap 442 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow 443 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team on Packers dot 444 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: com on Twitter, He's at west Hod I'm at Mike 445 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, 446 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.