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Speaker 1: with Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike called Well. He joined Jeff

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Speaker 1: Loghuman and me on Jaguars Happy Our Radio Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's been a whirlwind since being hired, all trying to

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Speaker 1: balance building a defensive scheme, adding free agent players, and

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Speaker 1: preparing for the NFL Draft. How has it been the

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Speaker 1: first few months settling in as a coaching staff here together?

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Speaker 1: Been been great? Really, a lot of work that's going in.

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Speaker 1: Everyone excited trying to get in, get the scheme going,

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Speaker 1: ready to go, ready to get the players in here.

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Speaker 1: How many how many guys on the defensive staff did

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Speaker 1: you have a relationship with prior to be a name

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator? Pretty much everyone except uh coach Gilbert

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Speaker 1: and coach Sutton everyone else. Uh, I knew those guys

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Speaker 1: So uh, the staff is it really came together pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty good, and you know we're in there. We're grinding

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Speaker 1: it out and just ready to go. Now what is it?

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Speaker 1: I think next week the players are allowed to be

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Speaker 1: them just yet. But how nice will that be? Because

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Speaker 1: when you coach, you gotta have players, and so now

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Speaker 1: a week or so. Yeah, it's a offseason strange. You

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Speaker 1: can meet the guys, but you're unable to coach the guys.

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Speaker 1: And I consider coaches teachers, so it's hard to be

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Speaker 1: we're teaching and bouncing things off each other now and

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Speaker 1: it to them another way. Yeah, that's the thing I

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Speaker 1: might call it. Well, that's the Jaguars defensive coordinator here

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Speaker 1: on Jaguars happy hour. You can have a defensive scheme

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Speaker 1: if the players and the personnel have a different way

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Speaker 1: a big believer of if you can do it well,

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Speaker 1: let them do that. Don't ask them do something they

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Speaker 1: when you have a new staff and and first time

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Speaker 1: him to make sure everyone's speaking the same language. You

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Speaker 1: to teach it once the players get here. The full

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Speaker 1: interview available on the Jaguars Happy Our Radio podcast, including

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Speaker 1: his breakdown of the newly acquired free agents. That's on

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Speaker 1: the Official Jaguars Podcast network, of course, or the archive

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, ashe and Sullivan, John Osan and Brian Sexton

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Speaker 1: entered this offseason with so much uncertainty. And now with

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Speaker 1: relief to know you're gonna stay in Jacksonville with your family, right,

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Speaker 1: it's great. Like you said, stay in Jacksonville with the family. Um,

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Speaker 1: a huge relief. Yeah, And you've been here nine years

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Speaker 1: now with this new contract, you're the guy to have

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Speaker 1: this season is head coach Doug Peterson and quarterback Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: three three two thousand onto the Huddle Up Podcast. Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: we're inside three weeks to the NFL Draft and its

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Speaker 1: prospect visit time around the National Football League. Each team

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