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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Friday, March sixth, and he

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 1: This is a kind of a thud of a conclusion

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Speaker 1: to watch what was a really explosive story out of

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Speaker 1: the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this made crazy headlines everywhere when Sharon Moore the

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Speaker 2: He was in his ex girlfriend's kitchen with a butter knife,

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Speaker 2: saying you ruin my life. My blood is on your hands.

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Speaker 2: He's charged, he's arrested. He's a married father of three.

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Speaker 2: Today he walks into court hand in hand with his wife,

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Speaker 2: and most of us are expecting an evidentiary hearing today.

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Speaker 2: But that is not what happened.

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Speaker 1: No, you said he walked into court holding hands with

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Speaker 1: his wife. He walked out of court almost a free man. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's not guaranteed and not assured, but by all accounts

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Speaker 1: and all illegal experts, they do not think ex Michigan

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Speaker 1: So let's tell you what happened today. Rose this story,

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Speaker 1: I remind me of the month when did this.

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Speaker 2: Code OWNCEM tenth All?

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Speaker 1: Right, So this just went down at the conclusion of

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Speaker 1: the college football season. University of Michigan head coach Sharon Moore,

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years oh in his second year doing gangbusters

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Speaker 2: Multimillion dollar contract, six.

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Speaker 1: Million a year. He's winning, he's just getting started. He

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Speaker 1: This was like a dangerous situation for a while in

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's one thing to have an affair exposed with

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Speaker 2: and apparently, according to all the headlines that came out,

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Speaker 1: I have clear There is nowhere I have ever read

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Speaker 2: You have? Any report that I have seen was only

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Speaker 1: This all got started because she went to the university,

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Speaker 1: Would you not say, I'm trying to think it's hard

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Speaker 1: This is a job that you just don't fall into.

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Speaker 1: This entire incident now in which this guy lost the job,

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Speaker 1: It's a big, big win. It's a big deal. It's

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Speaker 2: You know what. I am just very happy about that

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Speaker 2: it's tragic. It's jarring to not just Sharon More in

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Speaker 2: Have to do that it certainly does. And I actually

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Speaker 1: He needs some space, he needs some time, but somebody

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Speaker 1: He's wrong. We're here, and that can't not There's no

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Speaker 1: We have to figure out what we do with those folks.

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Speaker 1: How do we incorporate them back into society. Everybody is

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Speaker 1: Human story. I'm fascinated by these human stories. But folks

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Speaker 1: on behalf of my dear Amy Roback. We will talk

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