1 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Affney, the program 2 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: glory of God at his kingdom. We're going to talk 5 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: in this hour with one of our favorite guests, a 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: man of extraordinary experience and acumen, about what he calls 7 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: rightly the main thing that would be the Chinese Communist 8 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: Party and the threat that it represents to us. Before 9 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: we get into that in the course of this full hour, 10 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: I want to just set the stage well with a 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: different peace of the threat environment, with some comments about 12 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: what happened a decade ago this very time, In fact, 13 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: ten years ago today, jihadis launched coordinated and murderous attacks 14 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: against civilians across Paris. The experience deeply traumatized France, but 15 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: will be commemorated by a country that has, if anything, 16 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: become over the past decade even more vulnerable to such 17 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: Muslim terrorism. So unfortunately is ours. That's because in the 18 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: intervening years, both France and America have allowed in large 19 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: numbers of young men who practice the supremacist Islamic doctrine 20 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: known as Sharia, it obliges them to use violence to 21 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: impose Muslim rule worldwide. In France, civil war between such 22 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: immigrants and the native population seems increasingly inevitable. And here, 23 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: following Sharia adherent Zoron Mundani's election in New York, emboldened 24 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: Islamists are insisting that their rule must replace our constitutional republic. 25 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: Failing to learn and respond appropriately to the lessons of 26 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: past jihadism is an invitation to much more of it. Well, 27 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: those are my thoughts for more than following at exit 28 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: Frank Effney, and of course at us Future dot org, 29 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: the website of our Institute for the American Future. Support 30 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: us there place makes this program possible. We're going to 31 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: turn to that aforementioned guest, Captain James Finnell, United States 32 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: Navy Men, who, though he retired number of years ago, 33 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: made his mark while he was in the service and 34 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: continues to do so as an analyst and commentator and 35 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: author both of periodical columns as well as book length 36 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: treatments of as I say the main thing what the 37 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party represents to us 38 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: in a book he co authored with doctor Bradley Thayer 39 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: entitled embracing communist China. He talked about what our decades 40 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: long embrace of the CCP has translated into both in 41 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: terms of their capabilities military and otherwise to wage war 42 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: against our country, and the extent to which they have 43 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: successfully done. So, Captain Fanel, welcome aboard. We are so 44 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: glad to have you, and thank you for giving us 45 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: a full hour of your very very limited time. We 46 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: so appreciate it. 47 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: Well. Thanks, Frank, It's great to be with you as always. 48 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: Now you live on the continent of Europe, not too 49 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: far from France, and so before we get into the 50 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: main thing, I might just invite you to comment on 51 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: concerns that I think you have about what's happening not 52 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: just in France, but really through Europe, from Britain, I guess, 53 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: to the Polish border, maybe Hungary. What are your thoughts there? 54 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Frank, I retired from the US Navy in twenty 55 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: fifteen and came here. My wife is Swiss and we 56 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: came here to central Europe. And when we came it 57 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: was right as the German government was opening up the floodgates, 58 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: if you will, into Germany and elsewhere across Europe. From 59 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: all these what they call refugees, and they were visible 60 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: to me right across the street, just fifty seventy five 61 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 3: yards away, in the old post office that used to 62 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: be here. And then in that year of twenty fifteen, 63 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: in the fall, my wife and I did go to Paris, 64 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: and we happened to be at the same locations where 65 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: those attacks occurred, so just a couple of weeks or 66 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: a week or so before it happened, and then we 67 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: were there a little bit later the next year. It's 68 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: it's just gotten worse, progressively worse over the decade, and 69 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: the countries of Europe are no longer the countries that 70 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 3: people in America have in their minds eye in terms 71 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: of sitting out in the cafes and enjoying, you know, 72 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: a coffee or a drink, or going up into the 73 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: mountains and thinking things, are you know, this kind of idiot, 74 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: idyllic lifestyle. 75 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: It's really massively changed. 76 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: And yes, there are some people here that legitimately are 77 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: trying to get out of really bad places, but there's 78 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: been really to almost none, no vetting process, and so 79 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: you're just seeing these wave after wave after wave for 80 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: a decade of people coming across and the culture is changing, 81 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: and it is very alarming. And you know, I'm an 82 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: American and I keep thinking about at some point, I 83 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: feel like the movie Winds of War. 84 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: It's different, it's not. 85 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: Nineteen thirties in Germany, but it's the same feeling that 86 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 3: something's going to break. And I'm very worried that the 87 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: same kind of mentality has overcome the United States, especially 88 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: during the Biden years, that we didn't pay attention to history. 89 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 3: And you know, whether we like it or not, whether 90 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: it was an endless war that we shouldn't have done, the. 91 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: Fact of the matter is the United States of America 92 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: fought long and hard and killed lots of people in 93 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: the Middle East. 94 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: And for whatever you know, right or wrong reason, there's 95 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 3: a lot of people that have it out for us 96 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: and don't like us. And memories are long, and so 97 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: people should not ignore that history and should not rest 98 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: and think, oh, we're always going to be safe because 99 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: we've got the Pacific and Atlantic oceans protecting us. 100 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: They did as long as we kept our border secure. 101 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: And we did not during those Biden years massively. And Jim, 102 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: I guess I just would underscore what you've said about 103 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: learning the lessons of history. One of the lessons of 104 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: history talk about endless wars is that these Jihadis, for 105 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: at least fourteen hundred years since Mohammed's time, have been 106 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: at war with the rest of the planet and using 107 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: violence jihad as they call it, to conquer the rest 108 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: of the world. And it starts off in times when 109 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: they're not powerful enough to do it with force through 110 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: more stealthy means, including now in this country through elections. 111 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: And I am very much of your mind, sir, that 112 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: what we're seeing in Europe is very much what's in 113 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: store for the United States if we do not recognize 114 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: that when these people talk about and they have been 115 00:07:54,280 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: doing so and much much more aggressively since Zoramondani election, 116 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: that Islam will rule America, that Sharia will be the 117 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: law of our land as well. They're deadly serious about it, 118 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: and we ignore it at our peril. Jim, let me 119 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: pivot now to what is your principal focus and area 120 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: of great expertise, communists China. It should be noted that 121 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: the Chinese communists are working closely with the various Islamic supremacists, 122 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: even though they've got large numbers of Muslims incarcerated in 123 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: their whole country, but in the Beltum Road initiative and 124 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: in the Bricks movement so called Brazil, Russia, India, China, 125 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: South Africa grouping now expanded, there are quite a number 126 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: of those folks who seem willing to make common cause 127 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: with the Chinese communists at our expense, possibly even leading 128 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: to our destruction. 129 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: Is that a fair comment, sir, Yeah, Frank, I think 130 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: that's very accurate. That China has been working again over 131 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 3: this past decade plus since G came to power, especially 132 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: but it predates him in terms of their strategic intentions, 133 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: but especially under G, they have really ramped up and 134 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: had a concerted campaign to upend the international order in 135 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: the post World War two environment that Americans fought and 136 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: died for, and Russians did and others did. 137 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is we were the victors. 138 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: In World War two and the and the Allies that 139 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: we had with us, and we have not tended our 140 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: birthright and it's falling apart. 141 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: We're going to pick up on that very point on 142 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: the other side of a very short break. Stay tuned 143 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: for much more with Captain James Finnel the United States 144 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: Navy retired. We're back, and so is Captain James Fanel, 145 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: United States Navy, retired. The author, a co author with 146 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Bradley Fair of Embracing Communist China America's Greatest Strategic Failure, 147 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: and also a steady stream of superb comments, commentaries I 148 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: should say, and analyzes often at American Greatness. Captain, you 149 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: were just teeing up, as I hoped you would, the 150 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: challenge that the Chinese Communists now represent to well, not 151 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: just our country, but to the post World War two 152 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: world order that we brought about through our victory in 153 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: that horrific conflict. I did want to just go through 154 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: a couple of places where this is in evidence and 155 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: get your reaction to some recent developments. Starting in Japan. 156 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: We saw the consul general to I think it's Osaka 157 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: from China making the most outrageous statement about the Japanese, 158 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: the new Japanese Prime minister the other day, and I 159 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: wanted to get your take on what that's about and 160 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: the response us far from well, not only the Japanese 161 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: government Puro. 162 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank, I'm glad you characterized it that way. 163 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: Starting off with the outrageous statements from this Chinese diplomat 164 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: we've heard of the wolf warrior diplomat someone around that 165 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: we know are calling them dog diplomats, very rude, threatening 166 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 3: statement about the Prime Minister of Japan, essentially saying, oh, 167 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: you know, we should cut your head off if you 168 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: stick your neck out into our business. But the Prime 169 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: Minister of Japan simply questioned and said, is hey, if 170 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: China were to ever invade Taiwan, that would have a 171 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: national security implication for Japan and we would have to 172 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: you know, she didn't say anything else, you just said 173 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: it would be a survival event for us that we'd 174 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: have to consider, yeah, existential, and we'd have to pay 175 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: attention to it. 176 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: And the Chinese. 177 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,119 Speaker 3: Then this diplomat in Osaka came out and made these statements, 178 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: and since then the Chinese government has doubled down, tripled down, 179 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 3: and even today in the Global Times said if you 180 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: ever Japan get involved and use your military in response 181 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: to anything that happens in Taiwan, then that globes off 182 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: essentially and you will suffer the consequences and you'll have 183 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: crossed our redline. So they're not backing down, they're not 184 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: acknowledging what their diplomat said was undiplomatic, and I'm still 185 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: questioning why diplomat still in Japan. That's up to the 186 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: Japanese politics. But we have some colleagues and people that 187 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: are recommending that this person B P and G made 188 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: persona on Grada and kicked out of Japan. I think 189 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 3: it should have happened already this week. Should have happened 190 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: early in the week, and the United States hasn't really 191 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: said much about it. To my my chagrin, I think 192 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: we should have come out and been more clear to say, hey, 193 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 3: this is not acceptable language in the diplomatic arena and 194 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 3: we're not going to put up with this from bullies 195 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: in China. 196 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim, and you know you've you've been around diplomats 197 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: long enough to know that it's not just that these 198 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: were ill chosen words. They were clearly approved by Beijing. 199 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: They're clearly being supported by Beijing, and they are acceptable 200 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: because of what they are signaling, isn't it. It's not 201 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: just again the rhetoric. It's what they're signaling is the 202 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: growing appetite I guess or war with not just US 203 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: but Japan as well. 204 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a test the Chinese Communist Party does this 205 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 3: with every new American president. They do an event, they 206 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: do something to test them and to test their resolve. 207 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: And this is clearly a test for Prime Minister Takeichi. 208 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: And there's a It has an implication for America. She's 209 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: a treaty ally, Japan's a treaty ally. And if our 210 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: treaty ally gets browbeaten in the first month or two 211 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: in office by the Chinese Communist Party, that makes it 212 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: much harder for us to deter China from doing any 213 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: other kind of bad activity. 214 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim, let me, let me pivot from East Asia, 215 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: and we could talk more about South China, see the Philippines, Australia. 216 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: Maybe we've come back to those if we have time. 217 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: But to our own hemisphere. The Chinese are evidently now 218 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: inserting themselves increasingly in Venezuela, where as you know, we 219 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: have large now naval elements deployed offshore, shooting in some 220 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: cases vessels coming out of Venezuela headed north reportedly with 221 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: drugs on them. What do you make of what the 222 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Chinese have already done in our own hemisphere, but specifically 223 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: what seems now to be upping the Eddy and Venezuela. 224 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think we have largely ignored Latin America until 225 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: this administration the second term, and now we're starting to 226 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: peel the youngon back and starting to see some of 227 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: the corruption and the and the infiltration by China, Russia, 228 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: other players and so Iran as well. And so I 229 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: think what we need to recognize now is that China 230 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: has been laying the seeds down there, whether it's Panama 231 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: or sending their hospital ship through the Caribbean as they've 232 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: done several times, or you know, their diplomatic negotiations to 233 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: establish uh you know, sale of oil from Venezuela to 234 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: to China. All of this UH is alliance building between 235 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: this uh you know nexus of Russia, China, UH, Iran 236 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: in North Korea, and so we have to be very 237 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: concerned about that. And I think President Trump and his 238 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: team have been very clear we're under attack from narco terrorists, 239 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: and those narco terrorists are being supported UH through their 240 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: own greed and infrastructure that they have. Is is narco terrorists, 241 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: but they're also being backed by the national UH, support 242 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: from China, from Russia, from Iran and in North Korea 243 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: and other other terrorists type organizations that go to Venezuela 244 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: for training. So I think it's it's it's clear what 245 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: we need to do. And I know there's a lot 246 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: of angst here in Europe about sending the gerald Ford 247 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: Carrier strike Group down to this area. But my answer 248 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: to my European colleagues is one, the gerald Ford spent 249 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 3: three months or so out there already in the med 250 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 3: you know, providing support. You all have several carriers from 251 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 3: the Royal Navy, the French Navy, the Italian Navy, the 252 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 3: Spanish Navy. You have your own capability, so maybe you 253 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 3: can patrol your own waters for a while and let 254 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: us deal with this very serious threat to our homeland. 255 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean we ignore Europe, it doesn't mean 256 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: we ignore Asia, but it means that you can't deal 257 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: with those other external threats until you have a secure 258 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: southern border and you don't have people sending, as the 259 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: President said, sending drugs into the country to kill Americans, 260 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: and we know that they've killed hundreds of thousands of 261 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: them Americans with Chinese laced opioids, invent and all and 262 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: other things of that nature. So it's an existential threat 263 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: to us. It's killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, and 264 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 3: we need to put a stop to it, and we 265 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: need to send a signal back to Beijing and back 266 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: to Moscow and Tablan. Hey, don't even think about it. 267 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: It is a Monroe doctrine. Don't even think. 268 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: About it, Jim. 269 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: It's been said on this program. I think authoritatively that 270 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: the people running them as well at this point, are 271 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: really the greatest drug cartel in the world. They're Soles Group. 272 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: I think it's called it's now, you know, sort of 273 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: masquerading as the government of Venezuela. But it's all about 274 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: drug trafficking. So you're right, it's right at the heart 275 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: of this threat to us. Jim, very quickly, you mentioned 276 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: Iran a couple of times. I understand that the Chinese 277 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: are actively helping rebuild the Onion's military power after it 278 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: was substantially degraded by the Israelis. What can you say 279 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: about that in forty five seconds? 280 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Frank, Obviously, Israel and the United States in that 281 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: twelve day war from Israel's especially put a big hurt 282 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 3: on Iran's, especially their air defense capabilities. Our attacks on 283 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 3: the nuclear facilities set them back years, and so we 284 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: shouldn't be surprised that Beijing is now warming their way 285 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: in to try to help them reconstitute their defensive capabilities 286 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: and their offensive capabilities. 287 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: And we should be watching that and. 288 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: Go ahead and maybe not be surprised, but we should 289 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: be taking note of it and recognizing that this has 290 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: yet another dimension of their unrestricted warfare against our country 291 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: and our vital interests. Jim, We're going to come back 292 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: and talk more about all of that on the other 293 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: side of a short break. I hope you'll stay tuned, 294 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: folks for more with Captain James Finel. We're back, so 295 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: is one of our favorite guests, Captain James Fanel, United 296 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: States Navy retired, a man of extraordinary accomplishment in uniform, 297 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: but one who has thankfully continued to devote himself to 298 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: public service in an informal capacity as one of the 299 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: analysts and commentators and organizers associated not least with our 300 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: committee on the Present Danger of China, for which we 301 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: are very grateful. Captain, we were talking about some of 302 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: the places that the Chinese have been operating around the 303 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: world at our expense, clearly part of the sort of 304 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: multi front capability that they've been anxious to have against 305 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: this country and the free world more generally, a place 306 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: we just sort of alluded to there a moment ago 307 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: that I would like to just use as a segue 308 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: to another theater in which the Chinese are operating, namely 309 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: here you circulated in your Red Storm Risen group a 310 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: very important news item about I believe it was the 311 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: Chief of Intelligence for Australia warning his countrymen that the 312 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: Chinese have been preparing for and actually engaged in attacks 313 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: on Australia's critical infrastructure through two operations, one known as 314 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: Salt Typhoon and another as Vault Typhoon. In passing he 315 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: sort of acknowledged that those attacks are also aimed at 316 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: our critical infrastructure here as well. Talk a little bit 317 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: about what that kind of behavior represents, sir, and its 318 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: implications especially inside America. 319 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, the OSIO Intelligence chief, I think his name is Burgess. 320 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: His comments last week about the Chinese infiltration, especially in 321 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 3: the cyber arena, into their government is remarkable given that 322 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: they have a labor government that's in charge, and their 323 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: Prime minister has been trying to you know, restart engagement 324 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: with the PRC for economic reasons, and China has been. 325 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: Trevor Laden says he's a full on communist for what 326 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: that's right. 327 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: And they're ambassador to the United States is a friend 328 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: of China's as well, Kevin Rudd. So to have the 329 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 3: OSSIO chief Mountain make this statement, uh, it's really Uh. 330 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: I think people need to stick and you have pay 331 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: attention to what's being said. And the references to salt 332 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: typhoon and volt typhoon were then re reiterated by our 333 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: own FBI and SISA, this uh Cyber Security and Infrastructure 334 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: Security Agency that's a US government agency. So FBI sister 335 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: came out this week and said, oh, by the way, yeah, 336 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: this is happening, and we're being attacked by the Chinese. 337 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: Now they deny it, but these are the same people 338 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 3: that deny that they were sending fentanyl to the United 339 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: States and all the whole host of things. 340 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: So I think, well, and have now promised Jim that 341 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: they're going to help us curb the flow effect. Yeah 342 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: that was know how many times they've promised that. 343 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna they're going to restrict They said when 344 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: it comes to precursor chemicals, they're going to now have 345 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 3: a review process and they're not going to allow those 346 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: chemicals to go to the United States and other countries 347 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 3: and your and that this is after eight years of 348 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: promising the first Trump administration and the Biden administration, even 349 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: the Obama administration prominence promising America that they were not 350 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 3: allowing that to come out, and now all of a sudden, 351 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 3: they've come up with this new scheme, so. 352 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: That there they lie at every turn. 353 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: And the cyber attacks are very important because it's it's 354 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 3: critical infrastructure, but it's people in America should be very 355 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: concerned because it can be your own bank account, your 356 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: own your own mortgage, your own savings account, your own 357 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: investments in the stockice power. 358 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 359 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: Right, So it's a very real threat. 360 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: And we we have you know, we have cyber agencies 361 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 3: in cyber command and things in America, but we need 362 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: to be the people that I talked to say, we're 363 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: being out matched and we're being outgunned because they have 364 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 3: so many people and they're focused on this. And so 365 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 3: the warnings from the AUSIO chief and our own government 366 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: should cause people to say, what are we doing to 367 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 3: harden our infrastructure and make sure that China's Chinese cyber 368 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: actors can't get inside our lifelines, and one of the 369 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: ways to do that is to review who were letting 370 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: into the country, because it's a lot easier to do 371 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: cyber activity once you're already here in the United States 372 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: and you're in our networks physically, as opposed to having 373 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: to have it come across and packets across cables on 374 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: the sea or through space. 375 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: And so there's a. 376 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: Lot of reasons why we should be asking ourselves who's 377 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: coming here from the People's Republic of China and what 378 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: are they doing and where are they at. 379 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: Speaking with Jim, I understand that President Trump has indicated 380 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: that he is still open to the idea of having 381 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: six hundred thousand Chinese students in our country. Are you 382 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: hearing that, Sir? 383 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: I saw the interview with Laura Ingram, and my only 384 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 3: statement is I'm a strong support of the president. We've 385 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: talked about this in previous episodes, and he knows what 386 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: he's doing. But sometimes it's worth for the American people 387 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: to stand up and say, hey, mister President, we have 388 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: great concern about this, and we don't think he should 389 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 3: do it, and we'd ask you to reconsider that. So 390 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: that's what I would say to him. He may have 391 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: another plan. He may have another reason for this. He 392 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: may have another deal working, or he's getting something from 393 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 3: g in the short term so that we can get 394 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: off of being under the threat of rare earth elements 395 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 3: or pharmaceuticals or some other thing that China has been 396 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 3: telling him behind the scenes that they're going to do, 397 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: and that you know, he doesn't want to push them 398 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 3: over the edge right at this time. So I don't 399 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: I'm not privy to those things, but if all things 400 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: are equal, I'd say get get him out. 401 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm starting with the three hundred plus or so 402 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: that we've thousand that is that we already have here, 403 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: let alone adding you know twice that number. Jim, let 404 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: me just ask you one other element, speaking of, you know, 405 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: people that we don't want here, there are some number 406 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: of Chinese soldiers evidently that came across that open border 407 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier in connection with the jihadis do 408 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: you have any particular number that you think is accurate 409 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: based on official estimates. I've heard them ranging from you know, 410 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: ten thousand to two hundred thousand. I'd be interested in 411 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: you're a better guess on the number. But more to 412 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: the point, Jim, What, given what you've just said about 413 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: the unrestricted warfare against us here at home and the 414 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: various ways in which it's easier to do it if 415 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: you're here, whether it's cyber or physical attacks or what 416 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: have you, how serious a problem does that represent, even 417 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: if it's just ten thousand Let's say. 418 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the State somebody's made the 419 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: statement already it only took a dozen people to take 420 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: down the Twin Towers, So I think yeah, I mean, 421 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: so it doesn't take that many people to really create 422 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: severe havoc and to have a dramatic impact on America 423 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 3: American citizens and their safety, whether it's attacking or disrupting 424 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: a nuclear power plant or you know, having something happen 425 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 3: in a major sporting event or some kind of event 426 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: that impacts rail or commercial trucking, all kinds of things 427 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: that they could do to create have it. One of 428 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: the things that's got my attention right now is this 429 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: reporting that's come out this week that came out in 430 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: the Daily Caller and then came from State Armor Michael 431 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: Loodi or Luky that was reporting on this presence of 432 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: a Chinese a trailer park that's off of white Men 433 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 3: Airport Base in Missouri on the end of the runway. 434 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: That's a trailer park that's owned by the Chinese, and 435 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 3: it has some very serious implications because those are very important. 436 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: That's a very important military base for our national security 437 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: and the air portion of our nuclear triad or bomber force. 438 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: We have other installations that are, you know, near Chinese. 439 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: There's maps out there, people have done some of the homework, 440 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 3: detailed work that shows Chinese owners of property near US 441 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: military installations. 442 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: I'm not sure why that is not being dramatic. 443 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: That should be at the top of the list of 444 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 3: things that our governments looking into and verifying that we're 445 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: not part of the Chinese Communist Party. 446 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: Not everybody that comes from China. 447 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: Is a hardcore communist, but we don't have that kind 448 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: of a surety of who these people are, just like 449 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: we don't have exact numbers of how many PLA soldiers 450 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: came across the southern border during the Biden years. Why not, 451 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: Why aren't we getting that information and what are we 452 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 3: doing to follow up on that? 453 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jim, as you know, even if they're not 454 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: hardcore communists as you put it, they're all subject to 455 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: Chinese law which requires them to do the bidding of 456 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: the CCP if called upon to do so. 457 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: No, right, I would guess. 458 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: I would say there's probably some people that have come 459 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: here that have denounced the PRC and say I'm never 460 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: going back, and I have no association with them. 461 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think there are people like that. 462 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: But the ones that you're talking about that come here 463 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: that say they're going back, they are under direct manipulation 464 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: and control of the People's Republic of China, whether it's 465 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: on them personally or their families back at home. 466 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: Well, and that's the key point. Even if you don't 467 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: think you're going back, if you do have family there, 468 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: you know they've had these overseas Police Service centers as 469 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: they call them, inside this country, and the service they 470 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: provide apparently is connecting people who are here and of 471 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: interest to them to family members who are seemingly in 472 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: custody and maybe about to have a very bad time 473 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: of it. 474 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 4: That's the kind of extortion that I think we can associate, 475 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 4: obviously with the Chinese communists, and to our great detriment, 476 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: perhaps if such individuals are weaponized against us, Jim, we have. 477 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: To take another break when we come back. I want 478 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: to visit with you a little bit about that something 479 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: that's being called a new Cold war involving artificial intelligence, 480 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: what that's likely to translate into, and if it is 481 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: such a cold war, what are we going to do 482 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: to prevail in it, and what might be costs associated 483 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: with doing some be that and much more with Captain 484 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: James Fanel in this full hour conversation. 485 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: Were back. 486 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: We're back, So is Captain James Fannel, United States Navy, retired, 487 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: a career naval intelligence officer who served with great distinction 488 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: in uniform and continues to serve our country, albeit from 489 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: a forward deployed position, to try to assure that we 490 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: are clear about the threat we face from the Chinese 491 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: Communist Party. It's military that people's liberation army, and more generally, 492 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: it's economic, political, diplomatic, and other unrestricted warfare capabilities. And 493 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,239 Speaker 1: Jim I was just teeing up before the break that 494 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: we are being told that a petition between the United 495 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: States and China that has evolved in recent well months 496 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: or certainly a year or two, amounts to a new 497 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: Cold war between the two countries. One that is a 498 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: very high stakes, perhaps at least as high, if not 499 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: more than the one that we had with the Soviet Union, 500 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: And which are nuclear forces competed for strategic advantage. What 501 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: are your thoughts about what's going on in this competition 502 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: with China and does it rise do you think to 503 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: that level of a Cold war or will it? 504 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: Well, Frank, this issue is dominating the news in terms. 505 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 3: Of The Wall Street Journal just had a piece three 506 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 3: days ago talking about this. The President talks about the 507 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: need to have the latest and greatest chips and prohibiting 508 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 3: China from getting that same kind of technology. He's keeping 509 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: the tech bros, if you will, the tech giants Navidia's 510 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 3: CEO Jensen Wong close inside the Trump orbit to maintain 511 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 3: are what appears at this point to be our technological 512 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 3: advantage in generative artificial intelligence over the People's Republic of China. 513 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 3: But as the Wall Street Journal reported, you know, China 514 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 3: has a kind of a history of doing that. They 515 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 3: let the United States spend the billions to get the technology, 516 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 3: and then they steal it, and then they adapt it 517 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: and mass produce it, like we saw with this electromagnetic 518 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 3: aircraft launch system on board their newest commissioned aircraft carried 519 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: the Fujian so they have his. 520 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: Tech talking so many other examples. 521 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 3: Right, So the question is right now is where is 522 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: China in this race with us? How important is it 523 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 3: or is this you know, we kind of a decade 524 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 3: ago had a similar kind of concern about cyber in 525 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 3: cyber and the web and you know, things of that nature, 526 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: and now we're talking about AI. It's generating trillions of 527 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 3: dollars in potential value in the video's over five trillion, 528 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 3: I think, I mean, so's it's it's really remarkable. It's 529 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 3: outpacing the cyber investments that were made in the late 530 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 3: two thousand or late you know, the ninety eight ninety 531 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 3: nine Silicon Valley tech startups, and then the money that 532 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 3: went into that. 533 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: It's outpaced what Tesla did. 534 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 3: And in terms of electric vehicles, this AI investment is 535 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 3: really big. 536 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: So we need to be careful of it. 537 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: Not just from the technological standpoint, but we also have 538 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 3: to make sure that we're not investing our money, in 539 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 3: America's money into something that could all be a house 540 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 3: of cards as well. So there's a lot of promise 541 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: there that the AI is going to be involved with 542 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 3: everything that we do We're seeing these ads now for 543 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 3: robots that are going to come and live with you 544 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: and help you and assist you. So there's a lot 545 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: of aspiration there. I'm kind of a I'm not a 546 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 3: luddite per se. I mean, I was in the Navy 547 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 3: and of involved with lots of new technology, but I'm 548 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 3: a kind of a Missouri kind of a person. Show 549 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: show show me the money, show me the actual product. 550 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: So I think we need to pay attention to it. 551 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: We need to guard against China getting ahead of us. 552 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 3: I was very encouraged to hear the president. I know 553 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: it took a lot of heat about giving a part 554 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 3: into somebody that was involved with cyber and bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. 555 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 2: And I don't know that individual. 556 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 3: The President said, I didn't know that individual, but he 557 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 3: knew that the guy was unfairly treated in the previous administration. 558 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 2: That was one point. 559 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 3: But the other point, and this is the part that 560 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 3: the mainstream media cut off, as the President said, Hey, 561 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 3: this is important, this cryptocurrency. It's going to be important 562 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 3: for our future, and we can't let China get ahead 563 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 3: of us. I heard the President say those words, we 564 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 3: can't let China get ahead of us. In this technology, 565 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 3: and I feel like that's where he comes at a 566 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 3: lot of these things, rare earth elements, artificial intelligence, military everything. 567 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 3: He is trying to make America great again and keep 568 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 3: America first and not let the Chinese Communist Party have 569 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 3: controls over these critical areas that could threaten our national 570 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 3: security and the global security. 571 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: And I know you take great heart from that kind 572 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: of statement, Jim, and I think properly so by and large, 573 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: I do want to just ask you a question, and 574 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: probably neither of us are terribly steeped in this, but 575 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: I've been listening to our friend Joe Allen of war 576 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: Room Fame, the author of Dark Aon He he is 577 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: of the view I think, and I'm pretty much as 578 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: well that where we might find real peril is that 579 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: in our competition to stay ahead of the Chinese in 580 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: this arena, we might actually become more like the Chinese. Specifically, 581 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: this whole idea of idea, I should say, of IDs 582 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 1: digital ideas, that is where everything can be essentially tracked 583 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: and monitored and surveiled and controlled. Basically, our friend Reggie 584 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: little John calls it the digital gulog. And as you 585 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: go down this road, I think that Wall Street Journal 586 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: article that you refer to, who talked about, you know, 587 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: concerns that we are already at the point where these 588 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: digital advances, these artificial intelligence advance has gotten them perhaps 589 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 1: beyond you know, human control, that we might well wind 590 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: up in a position where we're ahead of the Chinese, 591 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: but we're ahead of them going into a very dark place, 592 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: the digital gulag. We have to take a final break, 593 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: and I want to get your thoughts on that, if 594 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: you care to. But I also have some other things 595 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: we want to talk about. But I just have to 596 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: say I worry about franken Ai, as I call it, 597 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: things that are really not only beyond our control, but 598 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: very very dangerous to our security and our freedoms. And 599 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: that's a race I'm concerned about winning. In fact, back, 600 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: stay tuned, folks, We're back for the final installment of 601 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: this very very important conversation with one of the most 602 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: profoundly I think intelligent and influential leaders on the challenge 603 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: we face from the Chinese Communist Party. That would be 604 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: Captain James Fanel, United States Navy, co author of Embracing 605 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure and Jim, I want 606 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: to pivot from Ai. I think we both share concerns 607 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: about where this may be headed to something else. That 608 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: is a competition for sure, and the Chinese have got 609 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: a tremendous head start in shipbuilding. The President has made 610 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: it a priority. He's working various deals, including one with 611 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: South Korea to have them invest massively in our Philadelphia 612 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: shipyard for the purposes of building nuclear powered submarines. There 613 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: as a means of trying to up our game. Give us, 614 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: if you would, kind of a net assessment of where 615 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: we are on shipbuilding and just how vital it is 616 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: that we get back in the game. 617 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 3: Well, Frank, I mean, the bottom line is is it 618 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 3: China's shipbuilding industry is the largest and the biggest ship 619 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: building industry in the world. 620 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 2: It's number one. 621 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 3: In terms of production and scheduled orders and backlog of orders, 622 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 3: Bigger than South Korea, bigger than Japan. 623 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 2: Those are the big three. 624 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 3: United States the Austin Aval Intelligence a year ago un 625 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 3: classified document was released power points slide that basically said 626 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 3: China ship building industry is two hundred and thirteen times 627 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 3: the size of the United States. And we see that 628 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 3: reflected over the last two decades where the United States 629 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 3: Navy has basically been out produced by the PERC in 630 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 3: warships four or five to one every year for the 631 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 3: last decade and a half at least. And it's also 632 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 3: in tonnage. Now it's not just in numbers of ships, 633 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 3: but it's in tonnage. It's a number of ANA ship 634 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 3: cruise missiles that's across the board. 635 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: So weird, quality is this issue as well, sir? What's 636 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: that the quality of the ships? 637 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, their quality is high, theirs. Sustainment rates are high. 638 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 3: They're going out to the Gulf of Adens, steaming around, 639 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 3: they're steaming out in the Central Pacific, So they're operating 640 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 3: at sea like we do. 641 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 2: Maybe not to the extent that we do, but they 642 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 2: are a blue water Navy today. 643 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 3: So now this administration has come in the new Secretary 644 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 3: of the Navy FLAON and other ship infrastructure optimization program 645 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 3: that was talked about even today or yesterday in Indiana. 646 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 3: They're trying to introduce competition into the shipbuilding industries. So 647 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 3: how can we do that, Well, we can introduce it 648 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 3: domestically and we can try to incentivize people in America 649 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 3: to build ships. But that's pretty hard because there's not 650 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 3: much incentive there. It's not a big place to make money. 651 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 3: You have to have the land, you have to have 652 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 3: all these regulations approved, pass through all these regulations, or 653 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 3: we can try to go with some of our allies 654 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 3: and seek out their expertise and their excess capacity to 655 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,720 Speaker 3: help us out with that. And so to that extent, 656 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 3: I think the President's on the right track. This administration 657 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 3: is on the right track. And they announced that they're 658 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 3: going to have South Korean shipyard help in Philadelphia to 659 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 3: help us start regenerating US navy warships and our commercial ships, 660 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 3: I think at first. 661 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 2: But there's also. 662 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 3: Something was said here in the last couple of weeks about, 663 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 3: you know, giving access or allowing the South Koreans to 664 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 3: join the nuclear Submarine Force. We'll see where that goes. 665 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 3: I have concerns like you about, you know, how do 666 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 3: we share that information because heretofore, even allowing Australia into 667 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 3: that with the Auchice. 668 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 2: Agreement was very very much, you know, a very there. 669 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 3: Was a lot of trepidation there still is in the 670 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 3: US about it. And now to ask or say we're 671 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 3: going to bring in South Korea not that we distrust 672 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 3: every South Korean but the people that are leading South 673 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 3: Korea today are clearly aligned, are aligning themselves with the 674 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 3: People's Republic of China, and we need to be very, 675 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 3: very concerned about that. So we have a challenge. We 676 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 3: have to build more ships. There's no other way to 677 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 3: say it. This nation's national security depends upon a robust 678 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 3: and competitive ship building industry to build not only commercial 679 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 3: ships and have that that allows our economy to flourish. 680 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 3: But we more importantly, we need our navy to be restored. 681 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 3: Our navy has been decimated over the last thirty five years, 682 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 3: cut in half from six hundred chips to less than 683 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 3: three hundred, and we are in a very dangerous place 684 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 3: where we cannot even defend our shores. Yes, we've got 685 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 3: a big carrier strike group down off of Venezuela, but 686 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 3: there's going to be a price to pay for that 687 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 3: extended deployment down there, and the long term effects on 688 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 3: the ten or eleven aircraft carriers that we have left, 689 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 3: and what does that mean for them and their rotations 690 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,319 Speaker 3: and when they were supposed to go on deployment. And 691 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 3: it's not just the people and the scheduling which is 692 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 3: a massive concern, a massive effort to make sure these 693 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 3: now all line up afterwards. 694 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 2: But it gets down to the very thing. 695 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 3: Every one of those nuclear aircraft carriers has the nuclear 696 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 3: power plant and has a shaft, and the shaft is 697 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 3: design to have so many revolutions, and when those revolutions 698 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 3: are exceeded, because you're sending the carriers to places that 699 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 3: were not on a kind of a national schedule that 700 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 3: we were thinking ahead, which is what navies are for. 701 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 3: They're supposed to be flexible, but that puts an undue 702 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 3: strain on the life expectancy of those platforms. 703 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 2: And where are the new ones coming from. 704 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 3: And when we have problems with the you know, with 705 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 3: the Ford being delayed for her fielding like it was 706 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 3: for several years, it just compounds the problem. We don't 707 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 3: have excess capacity in our national defense when it comes 708 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 3: to the maritime domain, and we need to do that, 709 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 3: just like we needed in the chips and these other 710 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 3: areas that we've talked about, cybersecurity and infrastructure security and 711 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 3: military based infrastructure security. We need to have a large 712 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 3: navy that has excess capacity that can respond to crises 713 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,320 Speaker 3: and not take and destroy the future of our navy 714 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,399 Speaker 3: and make us vulnerable at home. 715 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: Captain, there's a lot of food for thought there. As always, 716 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: you're drawing on a lifetime of experience as an actual 717 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: operator in the Navy, not just as an academic looking 718 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: at the data and the spreadsheets and so on. And 719 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: what experience has clearly taught you and I think should 720 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: be of importance to all of us, is when you're 721 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: in this kind of arrears, shall we say, you have 722 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,240 Speaker 1: got to make a national priority of turning things around. 723 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: And like aircraft carriers, it isn't done overnight. It has 724 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: to be done in a sustained and disciplined way, to 725 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: be sure. But your clarity on all of these issues, 726 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: Captain is so appreciated, as is your visits with us 727 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: from a week upon week, as well as in connection 728 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: with our various webinars at the Committee on the Present 729 00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: Danger of China. Thank you from the bottom of my 730 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: heart for all of it. Keep coming back if you would, sir, 731 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: hope the rest of you'll come back tomorrow. Till then 732 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: go forth and multiply 733 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 2: M