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Speaker 1: I ever got was driving around in my Toyota Tundra

430
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Speaker 1: back before anyone ever put me on radio or air

431
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Speaker 1: anything like that. And I used to listen to ESPN

432
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Speaker 1: Radio and then I would boom, I would mute the

433
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: radio and I would pick up the topic. I would

434
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: pick up the segment where they had last left it,

435
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: and I would just run with it, and it would

436
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 1: make you look dumb and trap if someone looked over

437
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Speaker 1: at a red light. But it's the best practice I

438
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: ever got, because one day when I got put on

439
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: air with not much advanced warning, it sounded like I

440
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: was prepared. It sounded like I was ready. You're not

441
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: going to be good when you start doing this. You're

442
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: just not. That's fine. If you are good at it,

443
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: then you're some kind of savant that needs to be

444
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: in a separate compartment, probably not watching this video. You're

445
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: going to be bad. Let yourself be bad. But there

446
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: are two things you have to really develop. You have

447
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: to develop a relationship with the folks you're talking to,

448
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 1: and you also have to develop your style. You've got

449
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: the talent and hopefully you have the passion, and those

450
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: intersect at this area again hopefully, but even then, think

451
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: about what you're trying to do. Really, what you're trying

452
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: to do here is you're trying to take a very

453
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Speaker 1: stubborn group of people. I include myself in this group.

454
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: You're trying to take sports fans and command their attention.

455
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: If you've ever been at work, think about being on

456
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Speaker 1: the job site. I work construction for a little while

457
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: we certainly worked in the fabric warehouse. That's been well documented.

458
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Speaker 1: Everybody in those settings watch which as football, watches basketball.

459
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: We all watch sports, and so I remember, I remember

460
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, when you're on the job site, everyone's

461
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: given their opinion. The gym's the same way everyone's given

462
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: their opinion on sports. How many people are listening? No

463
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: one's listening. Everyone just wants to talk. That psychologically is

464
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Speaker 1: how hard this job gets. Really, if you think about it,

465
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: at its core, all you're trying to do is you're

466
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Speaker 1: trying to be so good that you're trying to command

467
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Speaker 1: the attention of folks who otherwise would never give anyone

468
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: their attention. That's not easy, that's not it. That's why

469
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: most folks wash out of this very quickly. But if

470
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Speaker 1: you do have something that people care about to say,

471
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: then the second part is do you care about them?

472
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: They got to know you care about them. Look, that's

473
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Speaker 1: why we do our show the way we do. In fact,

474
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting in a new studio today not because I

475
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: chose to, but because you guys told me to go

476
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Speaker 1: in here. We still use the same theme music on

477
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: the podcast and on Late Kick Live, not because I

478
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: like it, but because you guys told me, when I

479
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: threaten to take it away, you better not take it away,

480
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: or else you have to give. You got to give

481
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: yourself over to the audience, but you got to give

482
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: the product over to them. How stupid would it be

483
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: to call it my show? If director Colin or producer

484
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: Jesse aren't here, we don't have a show. And even

485
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: if all three of us are here but you're not listening,

486
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: we don't have a show. So it's never my, my my.

487
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: You gotta you know, I think I tell me one

488
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: time it sounds like it marginalizes the audience, but the

489
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: point still remains. He said, you got to bait the

490
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Speaker 1: hook to suit the fish. And that's a great piece

491
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Speaker 1: of advice. And that's about the last time I'm going

492
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Speaker 1: to call anyone listening or watching out there a fish.

493
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Speaker 1: But what that means is a lot of folks out

494
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Speaker 1: there make the mistake of talking about what they care about. Well,

495
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: that's great if you're just laying in bed at night

496
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: staring up at your ceiling, but you're not your audience.

497
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: There's not a mirror in front of you. There's a

498
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Speaker 1: camera in front of you, but there's a mic in

499
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Speaker 1: front of you, and there are a lot of other

500
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Speaker 1: people that you may never meet in your life on

501
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: the other side listening. What if they don't care about

502
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. What if you just you know,

503
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Speaker 1: It's like if you if you love eating toaster strudele,

504
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: but you ever went out on the lake, you would

505
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: never bait your hook with toaster strudel. You never get

506
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Speaker 1: a bite. You put the nastiest stuff you could possibly find.

507
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: You put worms, you put locusts, you put anything and

508
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Speaker 1: everything that you would never put in your personal mouth

509
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Speaker 1: out there. That's how you catch fish. Well, I may

510
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: talk about stuff sometimes on this show I don't necessarily

511
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: care about. When you're starting your podcast, you may talk

512
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: about stuff you don't necessarily care about. If your audience

513
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: cares about it, that's really all that matters. I talk

514
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: about Transfer Portal every show right now. It's not because

515
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm crazy about it. I am kind of fascinated about,

516
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: to be real, but there are other things I'd rather

517
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Speaker 1: talk about. You guys love it, though, so I just

518
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: immerse myself in it, and I text our folks back

519
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: and forth all day try and get any kind of

520
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: little tidbit of information we can. You've got to format

521
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: the show for your audience. You got to develop a

522
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: voice and opinion they care about hearing, and then you

523
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: got to be authentic with them. You don't fake relationships

524
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Speaker 1: with people long term, and you've got that you got

525
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: a shot. Those would be my three pieces of advice.

526
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Speaker 1: Moving merrily along here, Daniel's up next. Daniel said, I

527
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: was arguing with a friend of mine about Nick Saban.

528
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: He thinks he'll lose effectiveness in a few years and

529
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Speaker 1: he'll be done because of his ability. I think he'll

530
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Speaker 1: stick around for multiple years and retire when he wants.

531
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Speaker 1: How do you see the end of Saban's career playing out?

532
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: Obviously short of health concerns, which we just have to

533
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: push off to the side, because those can derail you

534
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: no matter how old you are. Outside of health concerns

535
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: and the immediate kind, I would say that I agree

536
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Speaker 1: with you, Daniel. I think he's going to go out

537
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Speaker 1: on his own terms. I do not think he will

538
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: go out and we're looking at him by the time

539
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: he retires and we're saying, boy, remember when Nick Saban

540
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: was filling the blank. I think he'll be at the

541
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Speaker 1: top of the game or near the top of the game.

542
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: As long as he's in the game, he has not

543
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Speaker 1: shown a single ounce of in any kind of decline

544
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Speaker 1: to think about the fact last year that I've I

545
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: think he had his best team ever. I think this

546
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty one, he may have done his

547
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: best coaching job ever. He's seventy, So I mean, if

548
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: he's about to start a backward slide, it is certainly not,

549
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: because he's already shown us clues in advance that he's

550
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I know there are a lot of

551
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: people out there hopeful that he'll announce his retirement tomorrow,

552
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: and I understand why, but you got to take your

553
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: hopes and wishes out of this. If you had to

554
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 1: bet your money, Daniel, I would ask my buddy this,

555
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: If you had to bet your money pal, we're gonna

556
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: call him Steven Steven. If you had to bet your

557
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: money on Nick Saban losing his faculties over the next

558
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: few years, and I'm gonna bet on him staying pretty

559
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: sharp over the next few years, what kind of odds

560
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: are you giving me? Really, he's gonna make you lay

561
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: three hundred and four hundred jue on that, Because I

562
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: think we all know. Again, outside of the immediate health scare,

563
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: which no one can predict, Nick Saban's not going anywhere

564
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to go anywhere. Now that's the

565
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: great unknown. I'm gonna be candid with you here for

566
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: a second. I don't have any inside information, nor does

567
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: anyone else. I will be candid with you. I grew

568
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: up and I always listened to people talk about Paul

569
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: bear Bryant, and he was gone by the time I

570
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: was born, so he was only a myth a legend

571
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: to me. He was not a real person to me

572
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: because I did not live in the same time he did,

573
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: so it was like listening to stories about Paul Bunyan

574
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: as far as I was concerned. Well, I remember thinking

575
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: to myself when I was growing up, how lucky the

576
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: folks were who got to watch him, or go to

577
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: a game and actually see him on the sideline. Or

578
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: if you actually worked in sports media, you worked for

579
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: the Birmingham News back in the day, for example, and

580
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: you actually got to cover that beat and you get

581
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: to have one on one time with him. To me,

582
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: that made you borderline immortal. I looked up to you

583
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: merely because of that. Can you tell I grew up

584
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: a college football fan, but I also remember thinking that's

585
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: all in the past, that stuff's just back then, that's

586
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: history book stuff. So now to realize that we are

587
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: in the current presence of to me, definitively now the

588
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: best to ever do it, that's something I don't ever

589
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: take for granted. We've had Nick Saban on the show

590
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: two times. I think we're going to have him again

591
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: very soon. That is that is career defining stuff. I

592
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: could do this for another fifty years and you may

593
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: not have a highlight bigger than on the very front

594
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: end of your career corresponding with the best of all time.

595
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: I understand that in the moment. That's not something I

596
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: need thirty years to look back on to realize. I

597
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: realize that in the moment. But what I was going

598
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: to tell you is I start thinking about age of him,

599
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: and I start thinking about when his last go around

600
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: will be. I remember twenty twenty last year when they

601
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: won the national championship. I didn't have any inside information.

602
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: I just got a little nervous, and I got a

603
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: little nervous because I thought to myself, I think this

604
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: is the best team he's had. But I think it's

605
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: his most favorite team he's ever had. And you always wonder,

606
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: because you can never know. In the back of his mind,

607
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: has he told himself three or four years ago, if

608
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: I ever get another their great run out of a

609
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: team and we win a title, that's when it'll be.

610
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: Whatever year it is, that's when it'll be that I'll

611
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: walk away. Now it didn't happen, but I was thinking

612
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: that last year. I didn't say it on air, And

613
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, This team he's got coming up

614
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: this next year, Bryce Young, Will Anderson, They're going to

615
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: be loaded. They're going to be a definitive favorite to

616
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: win the national championship. If they win the national championship

617
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: this next year, I'll think the same thing. I'll probably

618
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: have no inside information, and if I had to bet money,

619
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: i'd say he's going to be around another four or

620
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: five years minimum, But you never know. So even if

621
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: you're not a Bama fan, I'm telling you you are

622
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: living in an era that one day people will look

623
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: at you with wide eyed amazement with when you reference it.

624
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: I would advise you to appreciate it. At the very least,

625
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: you don't have to like it, but at least appreciate it.

626
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: Moving on. Next up is Nicholas. Nicholas asks what is

627
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: the ceiling for Arkansas football? It seemed like just two

628
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: years ago a championship was out of the question for

629
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: the Hogs. Of is it out of the question? That's

630
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: what I want to ask you, guys. If you're driving

631
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: around right now, Let's say you're let's say you're a

632
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio fan, let's say you're a Wyoming fan.

633
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: You're just observing college football, and I were to tell

634
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: you I've seen the future Arkansas plays for a national

635
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: championship down the road, not too far from now. How

636
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: fantastical would that be? Like, how out of the realm

637
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: of possibility would that be to you? Because I think

638
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: Nicholas is right, up until very recently, that's just been ludicrous.

639
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: But I also think this time last year, if I

640
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: told you Jim Harball was going to play for a

641
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: college football playoff spot and get it, make the college

642
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: football playoff, that would have seemed a little out of

643
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Speaker 1: the realm of possibility. Maybe not as much relatively speaking

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Speaker 1: as Arkansas making it, but still, like I think you

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Speaker 1: would have said that, I think you would have been

646
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Speaker 1: pretty thrown for a loop if I told you a

647
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Speaker 1: G five teams going to make the playoff. The thing

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Speaker 1: with Arkansas that you have to understand that sometimes people

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Speaker 1: prisoners of is your prisoners of long held perception. This

650
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Speaker 1: happened with Clemson for a long time. You had the

651
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Speaker 1: term clemsoning, and you had this idea in your mind

652
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Speaker 1: that there's a certain batch of ingredients that you have

653
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Speaker 1: to have from a branding and program perspective for me

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Speaker 1: to consider you a playoff team, and Clemson is not that.

655
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Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden they were, and then

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Speaker 1: they won a title, and then they won another title,

657
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Speaker 1: and they were playing for it virtually every year, and

658
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Clemson was a powerhouse and A

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Speaker 1: and M could be that soon. But Arkansas also could

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Speaker 1: be that team soon. And with Arkansas, what do you need?

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'm asking you. Certainly that razorback logo is

662
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Speaker 1: not something you currently attribute to sustained playoff contender. No,

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Speaker 1: you don't think that. I don't think that right now.

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Speaker 1: But we're talking about the future. What would have to happen.

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Speaker 1: Let's just play this game out to its logical conclusion.

666
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Speaker 1: What would have to happen. For Arkansas to be a

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Speaker 1: playoff team, the title contender, playoff team, however you want

668
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Speaker 1: to phrase that, well, they would have to recruit at

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Speaker 1: a certain level. I think they're doing that right now

670
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Speaker 1: and especially this next cycle, the twenty twenty three cycle,

671
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Speaker 1: the ranked top five as we speak. Here's the other

672
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Speaker 1: very pivotal part. They are really attacking the transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: I know everyone thinks they are Arkansas is Arkansas has

674
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Speaker 1: gotten more four star caliber players out of that thing

675
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Speaker 1: than any team this cycle, that includes USC, that includes LSU.

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Speaker 1: This is as of last week. I assume it hasn't

677
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Speaker 1: changed a whole lot. But even if it has, you

678
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: get my drift there, and they're not done. Well, here's

679
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Speaker 1: what I'm waiting on now. kJ Jefferson is a good player,

680
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: so this upcoming year they'll already be good at quarterback.

681
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Speaker 1: But here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking down the road.

682
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Speaker 1: Let's say we have a situation next year kind of

683
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Speaker 1: like we have right now, where Caleb Williams or someone

684
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Speaker 1: of his caliber is floating out there in the transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: What if Arkansas becomes a destination for those kinds of quarterbacks?

686
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Speaker 1: What happens like, what changes if I don't If I

687
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: keep everything else about Arkansas. You love the roster that's

688
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: being developed, You love the developmental aspect of the program. Period.

689
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to go there, Apparently no one wants to

690
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Speaker 1: leave there, and you've got the culture rock solid in place.

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Speaker 1: And then I add on this little cherry on top.

692
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Speaker 1: It's become a destination for high school and college quarterbacks

693
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Speaker 1: like Oklahoma did for a little while there in sort

694
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Speaker 1: of the pre transfer portal on the quarterback front. If

695
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Speaker 1: that happened, I hate to burst anyone's bubble. Who's a doubter.

696
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Arkansas would be a playoff contender. I don't really care

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Speaker 1: what division they're in. You can have more than one

698
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: playoff contender in the same division. And then if you

699
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Speaker 1: guys are going to take this playoff and expand it

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Speaker 1: down the road to where it becomes a little bit

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00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: easier for programs in a loaded division to make it

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Speaker 1: in well, if you have a good to great roster

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Speaker 1: that is accented by high level quarterback play, and then

704
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Speaker 1: you get in the playoff, you can win a title.

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Speaker 1: So yes, it's unrealist at the moment to think about,

706
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 1: but Arkansas is the kind of team that could change

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Speaker 1: the way you think. That's what they're in the process

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Speaker 1: of doing. I also want to remind you that as

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Speaker 1: we are about to read the final question of this morning,

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Speaker 1: there's a challenge on this show, and since we're in

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Speaker 1: If you can't see it or haven't seen it on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you a little bit of advance warning today.

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Speaker 1: And this is the first and last time I'll do this.

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Speaker 1: We're going to toss to the ad break and when

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll wrap it up. Stay with us,

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Speaker 1: all right, We're back. We wrap it up here. This

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Speaker 1: is an email. Remember you can email the questions too.

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Speaker 1: I've got so many in my inbox I still have

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Speaker 1: to open because when we went to Indianapolis, we kind

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Speaker 1: of got thrown off track. But here's one from the

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Speaker 1: email inbox. How do you get over a heartbreaking season

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Speaker 1: ending loss? I think Andrew sent this, he said, Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm referring to my buffalo bills here, but it can

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Speaker 1: be related to college football too, Like other walk off losses.

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Speaker 1: How did Oklahoma cope with losing the Rose Bowl to

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Speaker 1: Georgia second twenty six Georgia loses to Alabama the very

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Speaker 1: next week, even the twenty nineteen Fiesta Bowl. What do

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Speaker 1: you do to cope? Well, my short answer is you don't.

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Speaker 1: In the immediate aftermath your shell shock, you are heartbroken.

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Speaker 1: You certainly, if you're like me, you do not show

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Speaker 1: your face out in public the rest of the day,

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Speaker 1: but maybe the next several days if you've got to

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Speaker 1: call out of work. That's what God created sick days for.

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Speaker 1: If you're in class, you better be wearing a hoodie

739
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: and sunglasses. I don't know what to tell you. Part

740
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: of the passion that you invest in this stuff is

741
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 1: there is risk. It's not all reward. There is risk.

742
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Speaker 1: And the risk is someone could just reach into your

743
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: chest and grab that heart and say look what I got.

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00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when your uncle used to steal

745
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: your nose, only this is, while still figurative, a lot

746
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: more painful when it happens. The fact of the matter is,

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Speaker 1: if you live in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma and Georgia, beats

748
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: you in overtime of the Rose Bowl. You don't cope immediately.

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Speaker 1: It just it's painful. It's like a dagger to the crotch.

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00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. And if you are Georgia

751
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: the very next week, think about the seven day turnaround.

752
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: You experience a walk off college football playoff win at

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Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. Then you're in overtime of the National

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00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: Championship game, and you get to a tonguav lowod on

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Speaker 1: second twenty six. So you experience the best and worst

756
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Speaker 1: of fandom. What do you do? You deal with it?

757
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: But here's what I always know. What I always know

758
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: is in my line of work, like where I see

759
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: this sport from, I don't have to worry about it,

760
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: but yet I still feel it because I've got I mean,

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00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: in any of the big fan bases, I correspond with

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00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: at least hundreds of you from any of the big

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Speaker 1: fan bases, and some of you I've gotten pretty close to.

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Speaker 1: So I know, if Georgia loses that game, or Oklahoma

765
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Speaker 1: loses that game in that fashion, if Alabama loses on

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00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: the last second to Clemson, you may say, oh, Bama's

767
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: got plenty of them. There's never enough. I know I

768
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: got some folks hurting, and I need to go to

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Speaker 1: the eye, Josh. I need to console. I need to comfort.

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00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes you need to just a wayward stroke of the cheek.

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Speaker 1: If that's what you need, I'm here for you. I

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: view it differently these days. I look at it as, oh, boy,

773
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: I need to go celebrate with the folks who deserve celebration,

774
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: but then I need to go console those who need

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Speaker 1: the consoling. Look, Andrew, there is no easy way. I

776
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: think anyone who watches sports and who has truly invested

777
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: you know there is no easy way. But what I

778
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: would just try to do. It's hard to do this.

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00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: I would try to understand that part of that pain

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00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: is what makes sports beautiful. That's what makes competition beautiful.

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00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: And you know, in the pain and the hurt of losing,

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00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: that's what makes winning feel like it does. That's what

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00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: makes winning a championship feel like it does when you

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00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: watch people lose their mind. When you see over one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand people show up for a trophy presentation in Athens, Georgia,

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00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: it's because of that. Those people wouldn't be there if

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Speaker 1: they hadn't felt the hurt in several years past that

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00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: hurt has an opposite end of the spectrum to it,

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Speaker 1: and it's if you can finally win a championship, Like

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Speaker 1: if the Buffalo Bills were to finally win a championship,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine how many days or weeks that have

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00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: to shut that city down for? So there's beauty in

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Speaker 1: the pain. That's the best way if you were sitting

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Speaker 1: on my couch here that I could sum it up

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Speaker 1: for you. Really appreciate the questions this morning, though. Remember

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Speaker 1: if you want to give us five star reviews, we

797
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You can do it on any of the

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Speaker 1: podcast platforms pretty much now. Also, here's what I really love.

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Speaker 1: And if this is pandering and begging, so be it.

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Speaker 1: You are our marketing department, but we're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: We're not taking an expanded off season. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to disappear for a month or two. You have asked

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Speaker 1: for year around content. I'm going to give you a

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Speaker 1: year around content. What I need you guys to do

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Speaker 1: is make sure everyone knows what we're doing. And how

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Speaker 1: do you do that? You do it by sharing our stuff.

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Speaker 1: Just a simple screenshot to prove your life. Tweet it

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Speaker 1: out tag me in it, post it on Instagram, tag

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Speaker 1: me in it. It's great viral marketing for us. We're

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Speaker 1: into the kind of marketing that we don't have to

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Speaker 1: pay for it because Jesse and Colin. Last time I checked,

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Speaker 1: we still don't have an AD budget. We certainly don't

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Speaker 1: have a marketing budget, and we've never really asked for

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Speaker 1: one because you guys do the job for me, so

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for that. Make sure that you

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Speaker 1: are following on Twitter and Instagram at late kick Josh

817
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Speaker 1: until next time for producer Jordan and producer Jesse and

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Speaker 1: direct Colin. I'm Josh Baate have our great rest of

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Speaker 1: your day and God bless