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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back, ladies, twenty twenty four, coming in, hot, hot,

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Speaker 3: We got a birthday.

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Speaker 2: Girl, sitting over here, we do Happy birthday? Oh do

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Speaker 2: you celebrate? What are you doing to celebrate? I actually

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Speaker 2: am being whisked away when locally tonight? Oh sir South

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Speaker 2: Hall love? I know, just a good night away? Good

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Speaker 2: are you getting? Get me dinner? I don't know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: should I not?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No? No?

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Speaker 2: Should I not? I can't tell by your face if

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Speaker 2: I want that. I think I want that, But they're okay,

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Speaker 2: so oh gosh, happy birthday. Tell me well, I feel bad.

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Speaker 2: I don't just say it. I go ahead. But I

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Speaker 2: love that place. It's amazing. Went with Alan for his birthday,

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Speaker 2: and then I went a time before when I was

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Speaker 2: pregnant with Pam and i'd gotten a massage, or with

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Speaker 2: Pam and pregnant, Yes, I said, when I was pregnant

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Speaker 2: with Pam, you know, yeah, yeah. And when I got

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Speaker 2: a massage, one of the guys he breathed on me

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Speaker 2: so much. No, and I was like, I kept moving

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Speaker 2: like way, you know. And at the time I was pregnant,

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Speaker 2: so I wasn't. I don't want people to someone breathing

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Speaker 2: in my face. You know you're not pregnant. I don't

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Speaker 2: want someone breathing. I'm all same. But also I was

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Speaker 2: just even more I think, a high alert to it.

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Speaker 2: Then when I went back and you know, when you're

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Speaker 2: in the waiting room and I'm thinking to myself, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get that person because that was

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Speaker 2: a prenate massage, so like I should be fine, and

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Speaker 2: then this person walks in. Now I was just like, okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe he was just having like stuff he knows that

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Speaker 2: day and wanted to breathe through his mouth and out

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Speaker 2: through his mouth. Maybe he was asthmatic. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to give girl, like the whole time it

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Speaker 2: was like in my face, like in my face, Like

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Speaker 2: there's very few professions that like that really matters. That's

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Speaker 2: one of them. But I know they have to breathe,

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Speaker 2: so like how so that But then my entire massage,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, how else would he be doing it

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Speaker 2: because I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, right, but I'm just trying to think. I've never

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Speaker 1: noticed breathing before that. Maybe it's just really close, like

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Speaker 1: are they usually that close where you can feel their

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Speaker 1: breath on you.

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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of massages, and I don't, I know,

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Speaker 2: I can't think that's never been an issue. Well, because

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Speaker 2: he was or this person went up like from underneath

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Speaker 2: my back. Oh I let you love that though. And

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Speaker 2: then but so this person's face was very close to

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Speaker 2: them my face, and I was like, and I was just.

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Speaker 1: Like, ah, is your face covered or your eyes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so I just read and it was like

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Speaker 2: doughnut FaceTime and you could just turn verse breathe away

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Speaker 2: back there, big guy. But so that's a great place.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad he's taking your way. Yeah, it's good. What

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Speaker 2: happened this morning? What do you mean? You said you

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Speaker 2: didn't sleep and you and yeah, you guys my sweet

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Speaker 2: redneck husbind I knew he was up to something. I

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Speaker 2: could hear him like really wrestling around in the kitchen.

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Speaker 2: And we always do birthday breakfast table that's just like

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Speaker 2: our little family thing. So you wake up and the

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Speaker 2: table's always big, right, so it's like balloons or whatever,

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Speaker 2: and it's like it's like almost midnight, and I'm like

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Speaker 2: hearing all the wrestling around. I cannotigure out what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I hear the garage door, I hear it closed, I

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Speaker 2: like the of like balloons like hitting each other. And

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, he's busy. Okay, Webster's here. He's

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Speaker 2: got his little flotation devices. I'm like, okay, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, I hear the biggest pop,

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Speaker 2: like a gunshot. He has popped a balloon. He has

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Speaker 2: all of this in the garage. And then I got

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Speaker 2: just couldn't. Anyways, Cat and I met on Instagram at midnight.

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Speaker 1: She was like over here, like, how am I supposed

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Speaker 1: I gotta And then you were posting. I was busy,

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday to everybody.

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Speaker 2: I love you. Well, the balloon thing made me think

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Speaker 2: when because we do the same thing. I have balloons

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Speaker 2: for the kids, yeah, or you know, Alan had beautiful

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Speaker 2: forty balloons for me. And so when it was his birthday,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm gonna get him bos too, but

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Speaker 2: So I sent Maggie out. And Maggie's a girl that

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Speaker 2: I was like, hey, Maggie, you do me a huge

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Speaker 2: grabbing some balloons? And then when in his office, I'm

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Speaker 2: his meeting ended soon, and so there's Alan in the garage.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming out and I just see Maggie walking up

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Speaker 3: Like, Maggie, go back.

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Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, which is why I've been

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Speaker 2: then you know, he walks. I was like Turner, and

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Speaker 2: was like, okay, fine, just keep walking up. I can't you.

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Speaker 2: Happy forty three, I literally looked at Preston he got

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Speaker 2: party City will never hire you.

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Speaker 4: And it was like, that's.

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Speaker 2: Really just fair.

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Speaker 3: That's just fair.

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Speaker 2: Oh, guys, Happy twenty four. We've done it. Do you guys?

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Speaker 2: Are you guys doing any resolutions this year?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't necessarily do resolutions, but like I

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Speaker 1: try to, like, do you pick a word? No, I

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Speaker 1: just kind of like, I mean, I guess they're resolutions.

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Speaker 1: I just don't, you know, I just start trying to

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Speaker 1: get my life in order. So my priority is for

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Speaker 1: are getting your life in order?

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Speaker 2: Cat trying Kat tell everybody what you did twice yesterday

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Speaker 2: I walked by to your friend. Hey, it was like

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Speaker 2: twenty degrees. First of all, I was like, thirty, but

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Speaker 2: your health is seems to be a resolution this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, I really started last year really making

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Speaker 1: a lot of changes that I just wasn't very vocal about,

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Speaker 1: but just trying with my diet and walking more. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've been walking at home more, but like to take

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Speaker 1: two walks on one day is not something when that's

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Speaker 1: So that's been kind of fun. But yeah, so health

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Speaker 1: I feel like just goes. You know, it's just easy

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Speaker 1: when you get busy and everything just I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: and I can make it work.

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Speaker 2: Yes you can. Yeah, I love that. I'm so proud

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Speaker 2: good at scheduling. I do like to schedule. So we're

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Speaker 2: doing something really fun this year that I kind of

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Speaker 2: want to challenge you guys to do too, and everyone

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Speaker 2: else that's listening. It's been really fun. So sometimes you're

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Speaker 2: I hope you like it. Okay, yeah, okay. So for resolutions,

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Speaker 2: I obviously every year I've been writing on my pad

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Speaker 2: on Christmas, no on New Year's Eve, I write all

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Speaker 2: also do With Alan and I, we did a relationship

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Speaker 2: there we said, you know, to challenge each other because

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Speaker 2: our partner to do something every day for one week

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Speaker 2: can so you can. So I would say to Catherine, Okay,

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Speaker 2: for one week, every dinner meal. I love. I love it.

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Speaker 2: And his for me is every morning I have to

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Speaker 2: struggle saying certain things, and so I have to say

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Speaker 2: I have done it. Well, it's only world say we're

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Speaker 2: on day We're on day three. So yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 2: I started crying when he wrote down. He goes, I

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Speaker 2: And then I've seen then there's things that I you know,

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Speaker 5: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just like a really cool thing as

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Speaker 2: a couple to do together. But also I'm going to

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Speaker 2: try a version of it. Okay, I am married to

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Speaker 2: someone who will not do things in order like that.

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Speaker 2: Got it. He's not a coach with the whiteboard and

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Speaker 2: I see where this is and he doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: But I love this and I think it's great because

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Speaker 6: because of my history, I'm looking at this a little

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00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 6: bit differently, and I'm looking ahead and saying, so where

434
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 6: are we going? You know, like every day there's more

435
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 6: and more people on this. Is it one day going

436
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 6: to be completely unacceptable to be overweight because there are

437
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 6: all these drugs at your fingertips? Is it gonna be okay?

438
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 6: For Like, I've got a thirteen year old daughter, Like

439
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 6: if she starts to hate her body and sees everybody

440
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 6: in the world on these drugs losing weight, you know

441
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 6: they're currently in review with the FDA to be approved

442
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 6: for minors. Like what then, like, so what one day

443
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 6: everybody is going to be skinny and it's going to

444
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 6: be unacceptable to be overweight, and you're gonna have to

445
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 6: give up your healthy relationship with food in order to

446
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 6: fit in. I just it scares me where it's going,

447
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 6: because I just went through this overwhelming recovery to land

448
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 6: back on this side of things, and just to see

449
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 6: the whole world going in a different direction, which I.

450
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent everything that Jackie says.

451
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's why we can have this discussion because

452
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Speaker 4: I respect everything she's saying as I think she does

453
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Speaker 4: I have to say, and I totally get where she's

454
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: coming from. I also see it as there's so many

455
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 4: morbidly open, these people who have not been able to

456
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: get relief from that addiction of compulsive overeating.

457
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 6: Right, That's not who I'm talking about though.

458
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean, but you can differentiate, like let's

459
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 4: say that everybody's going to get thinner as opposed to

460
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: everyone there's so many that are or people that are

461
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 4: like myself.

462
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Speaker 3: I am. I come from eating disorder. I'm a big drinker.

463
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 4: I've talked about this quite a bit, and I back

464
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 4: when years ago, i'd actually been checked myself into an

465
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: outpatient program because I was really worried about my relationship

466
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 4: with alcohol and I was that sort of mommy juice

467
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: thing that was going on.

468
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: And I haven't I felt like that in a long time.

469
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: But since I started taking semi glue Tide, I feel

470
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: almost like an aversion to it, and I don't. I'm

471
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: not interested in on a nightly basis pouring wine or

472
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 4: really wine at all. For whatever reason, I still drink,

473
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 4: but it's so much different than it was, and now

474
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: they're saying that it's really going to help with addiction.

475
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: I hope I.

476
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Speaker 2: Get your point, though, Jackie, because I feel like even Kat,

477
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: you struggled with wanting and it's like Cat, I think

478
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: you look great, you know, and it's like, why do

479
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: you think you have to be skinnier like or because

480
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: it's like you, You're like, you look great.

481
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: My problem is is I feel I agree with but

482
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: both of y'all are saying same, like, yeah, legitimately, both

483
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: of y'all completely like I would love to get on it.

484
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: Cut my appetite in half because I have a huge appetite.

485
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: When I want to eat, I want to eat bad

486
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: and you know, but on the other hand, I think

487
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: of my daughters and I think of this is not

488
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: what I would ever ever want for them. And I

489
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: don't want a world where everyone is just has to

490
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: be skinny, like guess what, Like you know, everyone has

491
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: different bodies. But I also see my friends who were

492
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: two three hundred pounds who needed to lose that one

493
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: hundred plus. But you know, so it's like, that's my

494
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: struggle is I agree just wholeheartedly with what both of

495
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: y'all are saying, and so I've just I mean, I'm

496
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: not on it, haven't gotten on it, but I'm also

497
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: not against getting on it, you know.

498
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Speaker 3: So we like that, like when you guys agree with

499
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Speaker 3: both of us.

500
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you genuinely do.

501
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 6: People see both sides of this. Most people do, and

502
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 6: that's the struggle is you don't want to want it,

503
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 6: but a lot of.

504
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 2: People I appreciate you sharing well both of you guys too,

505
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: But Jennifer, I feel like a lot of people go,

506
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, how did they lose that weight? And

507
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: it's like you being vocal about it, going Okay, yes,

508
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: I had help and I'm changing my habits. But when

509
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: we look at people in the media, going, man, they

510
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: lost that weight so fast, and like, what am I

511
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: doing wrong? And then you start to doubt yourself. But

512
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: then it's like, hey, if you're saying you're being vocal

513
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: about something, and then it's like, okay, they had help too.

514
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: Well.

515
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: The flip side is like, these wrinkles don't go away

516
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: by themselves. I do boto, you know what I mean.

517
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: But I do think the flip side of that is now,

518
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: anytime anyone loses a substantial amount of weight, we just

519
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: assume they're lying way this.

520
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: Way, and everyone thinks that he's on like some injection,

521
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, he's actually just fine only at

522
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: almost fifty, like cleaning up his diet and eating correctly,

523
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: and you know, men, you know, always lose it fast. Anyways,

524
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: it's sorry anxious, But.

525
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Speaker 4: Jackie and I were talking about in our last podcast.

526
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 4: It was about plastic surgery, and it was about this

527
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 4: attitude that like, you know, before you have plastic surgery,

528
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: you should try everything right. So let's say you want

529
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: a Tommy tuck, you shouldn't. You should first try to

530
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 4: exercise or that that's sort of like right. The popular

531
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: belief is that try exercise, try dieting, and if you

532
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 4: just have the skin left, let's say from the pregnancy,

533
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 4: then maybe it's okay to have a tummy tuck. There's

534
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: this whole thing about like deserving plastic surgery, so people,

535
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 4: I think, tend to lie about it because for whatever reason,

536
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: there's this pervasive feeling in this country that you know

537
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 4: it's you're doing something sneaky and wrong. It feels like

538
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 4: that for me about ozempa two it I don't for

539
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 4: whatever reason. I'll tell you every plastic surgery I've had,

540
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 4: and we would need a lot of time for me

541
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Speaker 4: to cover. I also tell you about ozebic. I don't

542
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: have a lot of shame around these things. But I

543
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 4: think that people think that the easy way out is

544
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: the wrong way out.

545
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: I like the easy way out, Jackie. I want to

546
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: ask you one more question in the in the health space,

547
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: because I'm seven weeks postpartum and I stopped weighing myself,

548
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: probably about I don't know, oh gosh. I used it

549
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: as a control method to stay under a certain number,

550
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: and when I'd go over that number, I mean I

551
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: would be depressed all day long. I wouldn't eat I

552
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: until I got back and it could be a point

553
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: five or one pound difference. I mean that's water, you know,

554
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: And I know that in my right brain, like I'm

555
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: very well aware that that number is you know, one

556
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: pound is not a big deal, but I mean I

557
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: would be so depressed that entire day. So I got

558
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: a scale again because when I was pregnant, I wanted

559
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: to know how much I was gaining. So then post

560
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: pregnancy for the past seven weeks, I mean I got

561
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: to the place again where I've been addicted to going, Okay,

562
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: I want to get back to my pre pregnancy weight.

563
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: But then now I'm like, oh, well, let's see how

564
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: if I can go back to even before the pre

565
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: pre pregnancy of like when I was, you know, pregnant

566
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: with my first child and I was like, oh, this

567
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: is this is this is the piece that's like not

568
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: not good. I'm like, I gotta either get rid of

569
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: the scale, but I'm like I don't want to yet

570
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: because I want to. So I'm just like, what do

571
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: you what would you tell someone that kind of because

572
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I have a I know

573
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: I don't, but I also I think I have a

574
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: little control and a little I want to get back

575
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: to feeling good and looking good. But the number, for

576
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: some reasons, always messed me.

577
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Speaker 6: This scale is such a loaded issue for me because

578
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 6: for a really long time. So I've been in recovery

579
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 6: now for like a little over two years, and the

580
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 6: first and a half of it, my party line was that,

581
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 6: like my hard line was that I am not weighing

582
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 6: myself ever, because I can't pate a number that I

583
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 6: don't know, and like you, I was so addicted to

584
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 6: like every half pound would set me off in a

585
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 6: different direction. And when I was really sick, it was

586
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 6: very obsessive for me, the rituals that went into weighing myself.

587
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 6: I had to feel thin, I couldn't have one extra

588
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 6: ounce on my body. Everyone had to leave me alone

589
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 6: in my room for like a half an hour. I

590
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 6: had to do several different weigh ins on several different

591
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 6: areas of the floor. It was like sick and too much,

592
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 6: And so I still have not weighed myself since May

593
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 6: of twenty twenty one, but I have been having a

594
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 6: lot of conversations with my dietitian and therapist, who I

595
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 6: still speak to once a week each about getting back

596
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 6: on this scale, and they both think it's a horrible idea,

597
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 6: But I I feel like I want to know, just

598
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 6: something in me wants to know how much I've gained

599
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 6: and wants to see what happens, because I'm at this

600
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 6: place where I'm about like seventy five percent recovered, and

601
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 6: I have this twenty five percent of these old habits

602
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 6: that I'm scared to let go of. Nothing anorexia. I

603
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 6: am not anorexica anymore. I don't restrict like that anymore.

604
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 6: There's just things that I'm scared of, and a big

605
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 6: overriding fear is gaining too much weight if I like

606
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 6: let go of certain habits because I've already gained a

607
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 6: fair amount of weight, so I feel like if I

608
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 6: weigh myself, I could stay on top of that. But

609
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 6: I haven't because my dietician and my therapist think that

610
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 6: it's a horrific idea. They said that.

611
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Speaker 2: Almost like a relapse, right, Yeah.

612
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Speaker 6: Like people who have been addicted to the scale like that,

613
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 6: they don't tend to just like let go of all

614
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 6: those addictions, you know, because they've moved on in life.

615
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 6: Like it's I've had such an unhealthy relationship with the scale.

616
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 6: They're scared of me like adding back issues into my

617
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 6: life by, you know, by focusing on a number instead

618
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 6: of on how I feel.

619
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Speaker 2: Do you think that twenty five percent is what wants

620
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: you on the scale or is it the seventy five

621
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: percent that is challenging that you are recovered?

622
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 6: That's a really good question. I think that if I

623
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 6: was truly recovered and in a really healthy place, I

624
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 6: wouldn't need to know a number. So I think it's

625
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 6: the twenty five percent of sickness that's left.

626
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: I just resonate so much with what I mean, what

627
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: both of you are saying. It's crazy. So I worked

628
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: out really really hard after I had my son five

629
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: years ago. It was the first time I've always been

630
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: a and I this is I sometimes feel like shame

631
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: saying this, but I've always been a fairly like thin person.

632
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 2: I've always been a runner, pretty thin boned, like you know.

633
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: And then after my son, I really just needed muscle

634
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: because he was such a meatball. I could barely carry

635
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: him without my back hurting. So then I got kind

636
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: of in the workout space and I started gain muscle.

637
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 2: I'd never had muscle in my life. And this is

638
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: so I had muscle and felt pretty good about my body,

639
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: which I think is what got me pregnant again because

640
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: I was feeling all up in myself. But then after

641
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: we had this baby, I've lost so much muscle because

642
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: I had like a tailbone issue with delivery. And I

643
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: have to tell you, this is the first time in

644
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: my life I don't take people say that I look thin,

645
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: and it's not a compliment to me. It's actually like

646
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: angering me because I had worked so hard to be

647
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: in a healthy space and be like toned, and I

648
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: felt so strong and I've never felt strong, and I

649
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: don't feel strong right now, and so it's like defeating

650
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: to me when I hear thin. So I identify so much

651
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: with your seventy five twenty five in that that I'm like,

652
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: you know, there's a part of me that's like, oh,

653
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: that's like something I haven't heard in forever. And then

654
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what do people think I was fat before?

655
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: You know? And then there's this other part of me

656
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: that is like angry because I'm like, no, man, I

657
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: worked my ass off for that, you know, I worked

658
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: my ass off to have an ass for once in

659
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: my life so frustrating, and in this world that we

660
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: live in where you just can't it's like hard to

661
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 2: just be can tent having a healthy, beautiful body, no

662
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: matter what that looks.

663
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: Like, you know.

664
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 6: And my husband says to me, He's like, why can't

665
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 6: you just go buy how your clothes fit you? But

666
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 6: you know, the twenty years of anorexia left me with

667
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 6: a fair amount of body dysmorphia, so I never feel

668
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 6: like my clothes are not to fight, even when they're loose.

669
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 6: I put them on, I'm like, wait, is this tight?

670
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: Does that feel tight?

671
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 6: Did this fit me like this last week? So I can't.

672
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 6: I can't go by that either, And I just some

673
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 6: parts of me want just some kind of measure so

674
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 6: that I can like weigh myself and be like, Okay,

675
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 6: nothing this week and move on. But I know that's

676
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 6: not the way I work. I know that if I

677
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 6: gain weight, it's going to ruin my day, my week,

678
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 6: my month, you know. So I'm just worried about what

679
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 6: might happen if I get on that scale.

680
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: What is your biggest what would you say is your

681
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: biggest discovery when you did recovery for the eating disorder? Like,

682
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: what did you for both of you. Yeah, was there

683
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: anything like sneaky maybe that you didn't think would be

684
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: a reason you were doing what you're doing? And you

685
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: were like, WHOA, I'm blown away by discovering that.

686
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: Unlike Jackie, I didn't sort of like address it head

687
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: on and seek out help and get a therapist. Honestly,

688
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: I had kids, and the guilt from going into the

689
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 4: bathroom to throw up overwhelmed me, and I just, I

690
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 4: don't know, it just all of a sudden, I just

691
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: couldn't do it anymore, and my way went up and down,

692
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: and I just still couldn't bear the thought of having

693
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: these kids outside the bathroom and doing this horrible thing,

694
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 4: you know, to myself.

695
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying I think that's what happened. I

696
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not.

697
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 4: I don't know for sure, but the believe me, you

698
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: sort of stopped when I had my babies. But the

699
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 4: compulsive overeating has gone on for years, and I had

700
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: little instances in my thirties, but the binge eating has

701
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: been an issue and never stopped. Like my friends would

702
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: laugh about it, we'd be together, and I just I wouldn't

703
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 4: stop eating to the point where it didn't matter.

704
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: I don't even I didn't even know what full would.

705
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what full.

706
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: Felt like, right, and then the other side of that,

707
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 4: and then the next day would be starvation. But anyway,

708
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: which is another form of beliema.

709
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm going on. I don't know how.

710
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 4: I sort of stopped that purging. I think it was

711
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: just for whatever reason, I got lucky once I had kids.

712
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 4: I don't know what I discovered either, except that it sucks.

713
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: Like you guys, well who knows. Somebody there said that

714
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: they were bliemic.

715
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, it sucks.

716
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 3: Right, It's just so violent.

717
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: And horrible and so punishing and so punishing for me.

718
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 6: There was a lot of things I discovered. I mean,

719
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 6: my entire life was about starvation. So when I started

720
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 6: eating again, I was like a.

721
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: Child, you know.

722
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 6: So, I guess one of the things that really amazed

723
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 6: me was I used to do this thing when I

724
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 6: was anorexic, where I would try to subsist on like

725
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 6: the lowest calorie food I could all day. So I

726
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 6: was constantly hungry, and I was constantly working to shut

727
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 6: down my hunger. But like I would eat like lettuce

728
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 6: out of the bag as a meal or like an

729
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 6: apple was like an indulgence. So I was constantly hungry

730
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 6: and I was constantly chasing hunger. So now I know

731
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 6: this sounds so simplistic, but if you ever had an

732
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 6: eating disorder, you can relate to this. I when I

733
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 6: eat a meal and it's you know, it's it's very

734
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 6: foreign to me to eat a high calorie meal and

735
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 6: then to feel full and stay full, and it amazes me.

736
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 6: So if I go out to like a lunch and

737
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 6: I eat, you know, more than I ever would have,

738
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 6: still not a crazy meal, but to be full for

739
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 6: like five six hours after that and not think about

740
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 6: where's my next meal and what am I going to

741
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 6: eat and I'm so hungry is still an amazing like

742
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 6: feeling to me. To feel full and not have to

743
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 6: eat between meals. That's number one. Also, there was a

744
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 6: lot of foods that I hadn't tried ever, because I

745
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 6: started to when I was in high school. So I

746
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 6: had never had a lot of foods that are like

747
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 6: totally normal to other people. So I am eating them

748
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 6: for the first time in my entire life. And I

749
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 6: thought that there's some foods that I thought that I

750
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 6: would absolutely love that I was like all right, not great,

751
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 6: and other foods that I just cannot get enough of

752
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 6: that I am like, where have you been all my life?

753
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: Like what?

754
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 6: Like I went to dinner with my friends a few

755
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 6: weeks ago and then we all ordered dessert and I

756
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 6: had a canoli.

757
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 5: For the first time in my life, and I thought

758
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 5: it was just okay, Well, yeah, I thought that that

759
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: was kind of dry and the cream was like fine,

760
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 5: but like.

761
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: You didn't have a good one then, and my friends at.

762
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 6: The people were like, I don't think these are the

763
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 6: best canolis, and I said, well, I have nothing to

764
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 6: compare it to, so that's so funny. But like I

765
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 6: ate a tuna fish sandwich and I like almost cried.

766
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 6: I mean, it was like the best thing I've ever

767
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 6: had in my life.

768
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: I eat tune fish for mayonnaise and put some extra

769
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: pickles on there with morella. It's so good. I will say.

770
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: I semi relate to that because I never had a

771
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: chocolate croissant because I'm like, oh, this is too high

772
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: in calories. So when I went to London last year,

773
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: it's the first time I ever had a chocolate croissant.

774
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Now I was like, this is the best thing I've

775
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: ever read in my entire life, and I was like, man,

776
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: any time I got to Starbucks, I'm like chocolate croissant. Yeah,

777
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: warmed up. Thanks Okay, So thank you guys obviously for

778
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: being vulnerable. And that's what you guys listening are going

779
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: to be able to hear on their two Jersey Jays podcast.

780
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: But I want to talk a little bit about the

781
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: Housewives too, because you guys are friends of on the

782
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: Jersey Housewives. Now, while I'm listening to all of this

783
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: and knowing how people are, especially fans of that show,

784
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: is there a piece of you that's worried about how

785
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: that might affect you mentally with everything that you guys

786
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: also struggle with too, because we're I don't know. For me,

787
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I struggle with anxiety or depression. At times.

788
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm thinking, all right, if I'm on this

789
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: show and then I'm getting either hate or comments, I

790
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: just feel like that would feed my struggles.

791
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah it does.

792
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 4: I mean abouly I've been I've suffered with anxiety for years.

793
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: Each I've been on medication for what twenty five years,

794
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 4: maybe even a little bit more so. Anxiety comes with

795
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: being being on the Housewives. You can't escape it. No

796
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 4: one does, right jack I don't think anyone escapes it.

797
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: But also just the awareness of your physicality, right, like

798
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 4: I went on, this is only my set. Jackie knows

799
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 4: a lot more about this and I do. She's been

800
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 4: on a lot longer. But you know, doing my first season,

801
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: seeing myself back, you know the criticisms in my head.

802
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: And I was.

803
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 4: Always after the first season, I got a face left

804
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: and a nose job.

805
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 3: But that was coming.

806
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: That was I had been interviewing doctors for five years

807
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: before I ever being on was ever even a thought.

808
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: But certainly it adds a pressure, right to look a

809
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 4: certain way. I mean, these women don't play. They keep

810
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: themselves together. A lot of them are my age, and

811
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 4: across the board, across all the franchises. I mean, I

812
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 4: was watching Ultimate Girl's Trip, No, the Legacy one. I

813
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys watch, Oh anyway, the women

814
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: are do you guys watch?

815
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: I do? Yeah?

816
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 4: Their bodies these are women are some are even older

817
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: than me. Their bodies are insane, and of course that

818
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: leads to comparison. And when you're on it, you get

819
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: a lot of Like I got a lot of like

820
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: she looks like a man or her.

821
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: Ears are weird, old hag and people are mean.

822
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: People are so mean. Yeah, like you literally, I can't

823
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: even believe you're fifty five. Like I was like, would

824
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: you want to send me the list of things you've

825
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: been up to? Because I mean, you're just beautiful. Both

826
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: of you are just so.

827
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: But it goes to doctor Sam Risk just saying.

828
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but your energies are so great and you're just

829
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: like people are just ruthless.

830
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could never do it.

831
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: But either way, you're like, sign up, let's do it.

832
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's my.

833
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 6: First few years on the show were really rough, and

834
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 6: I read all the comments and everything, but now I've

835
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 6: settled into a place where it's very different. The show

836
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 6: is very different for me now. First of all, it

837
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 6: did help me recover, so it's a total twist to

838
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 6: the story. But I don't think I would have recovered

839
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 6: if I was the only one holding myself accountable. So

840
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 6: having the show so then I could do this on

841
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 6: a public stage was really helpful to me. But I

842
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 6: have also, you know, I've been on this for six years,

843
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 6: and friend or no friend, the social media stays the same.

844
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 6: I've learned to stop reading the comments.

845
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't.

846
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 6: I don't check social media that much anymore. I mean,

847
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 6: I still do, but I'm not as like crazy with it.

848
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 6: I've kind of tried to just find find a place

849
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 6: in the show that feels good for me. I like

850
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 6: being a friend for now.

851
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what'll.

852
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 6: Happen in the future, but the friend role, I think

853
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 6: is a little easier on your life. Gives you more

854
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 6: space to step away from the social media, and you

855
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 6: know it can become all encompassing, So if you find

856
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 6: a way to step back from it a little bit,

857
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 6: I think that's really helpful.

858
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And was it hard on your marriage, Jackie going

859
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: through all of that.

860
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 6: Obviously, that one season was very hard in my marriage. Well,

861
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 6: my husband didn't want to do the show at first,

862
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 6: so the very beginning was a little bit hard, and

863
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: then he realized it wasn't so bad and we settled in,

864
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 6: and then we had two really fun seasons, and then

865
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 6: my third season was really really hard. And we are

866
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 6: not fighters. We don't fight with each other. We love

867
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 6: having like a really happy household, and we were fighting,

868
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 6: like he was upset, he was pissed. I couldn't do

869
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 6: anything about it. The social media was really hard. It

870
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 6: was crying a lot, so that was tough on us.

871
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 6: But then you know, like everything resolved and we've been fine.

872
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 6: I mean we've been fine, Like we're great. We have

873
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 6: a great marriage. But like he hasn't had any issue.

874
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 6: I think he likes me being a friend. You know,

875
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 6: we've talked about what would happen if I was to

876
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 6: go back full time. But for now, we're good. We're

877
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 6: good like this, but yeah, we're It hasn't been hard

878
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 6: except for that one season good.

879
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: And then you guys for your podcast, I mean, were

880
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: you guys because you guys were friends obviously like on

881
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: the show, right.

882
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, we're like closest to friends.

883
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so doing the podcast was an easy thing, just

884
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: like hey, let's just talk about talk about it all.

885
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: I mean, we surprisingly, I guess it just has been

886
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: so easy. It's just like Jackie and I just shooting

887
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 4: the I mean, I'm sure you guys feel like that too.

888
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have difference as opinions too, which is

889
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: great too, different because we all don't agree, you know,

890
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: but it's.

891
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 4: Not a Housewives episode, you know what I mean, Like

892
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: we're not we're not gonna you know, scream up entities

893
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 4: at each other and go for the jugular. We're two

894
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: grown ass women who respect each other and love each other,

895
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: so it's it's an easier thing, right, And we're talking

896
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 4: about issues that although there's an eight, there's an age spread.

897
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 4: So Jackie is forty seven and I'm fifty five. But

898
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 4: the things that are coming up for us now, I

899
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 4: think it's interesting, like her perspective at forty seven versus mine,

900
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 4: and both of us are you know, in a place

901
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 4: though where unlike you guys, like we don't have babies,

902
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: we're in a different stage of life, and so things

903
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 4: that are really we find interesting you know, they resonate

904
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: with both of us usually, so we have a lot

905
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: to talk about. You know, our lives are changing. I've

906
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 4: been through some stuff that Jackie's going through now, you know,

907
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: so there's not there's not a shortage of topics and

908
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: things that you know, we want to sort of discuss,

909
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: would you caree, jack.

910
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we're we're just started and we have

911
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 6: like it's really fun because every day we get these

912
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 6: new ideas and we call each other and we're like,

913
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: what about this, what about that? And what about this person,

914
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 6: and so it's fun to have this new project in

915
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 6: our lives that we're both so passionate about and to

916
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 6: do it together. It's really great. And Jen's really smart

917
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 6: and witty, and you know, I wrote a parenting column

918
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 6: for the newspaper for many, many years, so I love

919
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 6: coming up with ideas and finding things to talk about.

920
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 6: So it's it's in both of our wheelhouses.

921
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 3: We're really excited.

922
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well, Jenna Jackie, thank you guys so much

923
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: for coming on a wind out about everyone listening. Go

924
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: listen to Iheartradios podcast to Jersey Jays. Thanks, thank you guys,

925
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: Thanks girls, appreciate you. Bye bye. I love it when

926
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: people are just open, authentic and honest about things. She's

927
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 2: so GREATS twelve. I don't know what's happening. I don't

928
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: know what's happening in Jersey, but everyone's time machine and

929
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: then my button went in two just came on. Yeah.

930
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: Well it's like they say the Housewives, I mean, everyone is.

931
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's that way now too, but like

932
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: look at our world, like she just said, everyone's fifty five,

933
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: and look what they look like, you know, So it's

934
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: like this comparison world and everybody's trying to but they

935
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: look great.

936
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: But also people I do think are just taking like

937
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: better care of themselves, like you know, like I was

938
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: talking to Orob actually deep topics with the ob, but

939
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: I felt, you know, like they label us as geriatric

940
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: when we're like thirty five or older. And she was like,

941
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: what's interesting to me is that like literally like ninety

942
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: percent of the people coming in right now. Maybe that's

943
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: not true, but she did say a lot of them

944
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: were older. Yeah, And I think it's just because we are,

945
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: like I think we know more and we just take

946
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: better care of our bodies, and I think that we

947
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: are like less likely to look older because we're all

948
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: just like I don't know, eating and nourishing, healing our

949
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: minds right to heal our hearts. Yeah right, Yeah, But

950
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: I like when people in that age group do podcast

951
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: because I feel like, I don't know about you guys,

952
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: but I don't have like a lot of mentor people

953
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: in the like fifties, like late forties, fifties, even sixties.

954
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: So it's like nice to me when I can tune

955
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: into somebody that's lived a little more life.

956
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to listen to because so many of

957
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: my friends have younger kids. I don't really have many

958
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: friends that have teenagers.

959
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: They have a teenager starting to have that relationship with

960
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: those two women, right.

961
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying, you know, I'm trying to like make

962
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: some friendships where it's like, okay, let's talk about high school, like,

963
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, we just hit nothing. But I got you know,

964
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: I truly don't. I'm not really friends with any of

965
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: his parents for whatever reason. I don't know if because

966
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: he's the I don't know, you know. I am with

967
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: the girls parents, but not him. So yeah, so I'm

968
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: trying to get those But it'd be great to listen

969
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: to stuff because they've gone through, you know, that age

970
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: group and there's just so much that comes up that

971
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, I don't have anybody to talk to

972
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: you about that.

973
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: Oh I'm relying on you cat, yeah, all the older ages.

974
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: Then that was a good I liked that conversation because

975
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: it's like.

976
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: They made me want to listen to their podcasting for sure.

977
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: Well, and it's like they disagree and can disagree very

978
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: nicely and have a conversation and I agree with both

979
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: of them, you know, And it was just a really

980
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: great conversation. I enjoyed it.

981
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: Well, first podcast back in the new year. Happy being

982
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: chop ladies. This is fun and I'll see you next

983
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Speaker 2: week Sea Hie