Speaker 1: All the media.
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast today. We have a
Speaker 2: very interesting issue. You're very lucky to be joined by Onomo,
Speaker 2: who we've heard from before, who is a minister who
Speaker 2: is hindering in the National Unity Government of Burma or Myanmar,
Speaker 2: both of those words are okay, And we're talking about
Speaker 2: the situation of Rhinga people and the development sort of
Speaker 2: happened in Rakaine State since I guess since the beginning
Speaker 2: of Operation ten twenty seven. So welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much day, thanks for having me and
Speaker 3: it's good to be back with you to this show.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, no, it's wonderful to have you back
Speaker 2: and we're very fortunate. So I wonder if we could
Speaker 2: start by summarizing for listeners the things sort have happened
Speaker 2: in the last few months in Rakaine State, because there
Speaker 2: have been some massive changes since maybe listeners were last
Speaker 2: aware of what was happening there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, thank you.
Speaker 3: Since the coup, there were on and off fights between
Speaker 3: the Arcana Army and there and the Malasia Hunters process
Speaker 3: in Rakaina State. However, in the interest of the of
Speaker 3: the of the humanitary and neat, both parties came to
Speaker 3: enter to a ceasefire agreement.
Speaker 4: In between. However, the fight.
Speaker 3: Against the military junta in me and Mark started in
Speaker 3: different part of Me and Mark continued to be accelerating
Speaker 3: and most recently the ten twenty seven and followed by
Speaker 3: others operations in in Crimey estate has has been has
Speaker 3: been quite rapidly spreading across the country and that's definitely
Speaker 3: went through ra kinda state where resumed to target the
Speaker 3: the the junta in its political objective to be to
Speaker 3: be reaching.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: That's the situations we are today that the Arkan Army
Speaker 3: has been in very good positions to be dismantling the
Speaker 3: Hunter's forces in our kind of state. And so far
Speaker 3: since Operation twenty seven ten twenty seven Salad, more than
Speaker 3: half of the township districts in our kinda state has
Speaker 3: been ceased by the Arkhan Army, including some of those
Speaker 3: were majority of Runa lifts. And it's continued to be
Speaker 3: under in a very literating situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end, they've they've even sunk Hunter ships
Speaker 2: or captured them in some cases. I think it's been
Speaker 2: a bit of a that there was a video that
Speaker 2: was quite like maybe not viruls around word certainly I
Speaker 2: saw a lot but of border guard forces right, which
Speaker 2: are like a militia's allied to the hunter, like fleeing
Speaker 2: into Bangladesh.
Speaker 3: This is another the border guard process are from mostly
Speaker 3: from militaries, their train militaries, their uniforms are changed into
Speaker 3: border guard force due to different agreement with that exists
Speaker 3: between two states in allocating. It's true along the border
Speaker 3: side and the border guard forces are one of the
Speaker 3: most primary forces that's deported through Highen and run the
Speaker 3: Rohingia's forces in twenty seven and make them flee. So
Speaker 3: six years later as the same vdps who committed to
Speaker 3: the crimes against the Rhinga atrocities that include crimes against
Speaker 3: humanity and war crimes had to flee to Bangladesh in
Speaker 3: a quite similar way to refuge.
Speaker 4: And so it's sort of.
Speaker 3: Karma or whatever you put it in a way and
Speaker 3: the perceptions and reality of course when it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of confrontations between the two groups are army and the military.
Speaker 4: Countless sources.
Speaker 3: The reality that has been defined by most of ours,
Speaker 3: nimianmar and across that. We used to believe that the
Speaker 3: Burmese military is a strong vote by human resource and equipment,
Speaker 3: and then in reality they are very weak and our
Speaker 3: army has proved by dismantling a various battalion in country
Speaker 3: battalion and even capturing alive like second ice commanding officer
Speaker 3: in the whole of the kind of state. And also
Speaker 3: many senior level officer has been has been killed over this.
Speaker 3: That so the reality perception has been deeper on the
Speaker 3: NMR military when we look it from from external perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think just in case listeners aren't familiar,
Speaker 2: it can be very confusing if you don't read about
Speaker 2: this stuff all the time. It's sort of the alphabet
Speaker 2: soup of organizations, and especially with reference to Rahinga and
Speaker 2: Rakind State, because we have of Hinga armed groups or
Speaker 2: armed groups which drove mostly from Ahinga people that don't
Speaker 2: necessarily represent them all. And then we have the AA. Son,
Speaker 2: can you explain the AA's relationship to Rakind State and
Speaker 2: then how they relate to Ahinga people.
Speaker 4: A has been.
Speaker 3: Established in two thousand and nine with aims to be
Speaker 3: having confederations and not less than war, which is another
Speaker 3: special regimes and more with a special autonomy, and it
Speaker 3: has been led by some young people and it has
Speaker 3: been quite a leadership as well within their kind political stuctrum,
Speaker 3: and he has been growing very op italy and the
Speaker 3: acceptance of the of the people, particularly kind people has
Speaker 3: been very high. Therefore the resource allocations that he got
Speaker 3: from human resource to other resources to be rapidly coping
Speaker 3: with that group growth has been high, and that put
Speaker 3: them in a position is to be standing in front
Speaker 3: of a Hunta in a very stronger positions and defeat
Speaker 3: them and very rapidly. And of course the Arkhan Army
Speaker 3: which would refer here a SAE, is not as inclusive
Speaker 3: as ra kind Ra kind of state is very diverse
Speaker 3: and it has got a multiple ethnic group. The largest
Speaker 3: ethnic group is Rakin religiously with these people and to
Speaker 3: which the majority of army's leadership derived from there. And
Speaker 3: the second largest majority, which are the Rwinga and Toroina,
Speaker 3: are still the second largest majority in the rack kind
Speaker 3: of states. Despite a milion being pushed off to Bangladesh
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen and several hundred thousand spreaded across the
Speaker 3: region and the inclusivity in an Arcan army is still
Speaker 3: still not there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: When when we talk about Rhingia that's mean that there
Speaker 3: might be some small small number of Rhingia's in different
Speaker 3: battalions of Arkan Army and the administrative units that they're
Speaker 3: building at a very crossroot level.
Speaker 4: However, the the the Ringien.
Speaker 3: Need to be included both by functions and in order
Speaker 3: to have to describe that relationship and inclusively between the
Speaker 3: Rhenia people and the Arkan Army.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's that Arakan. Is that Rakhan is the
Speaker 2: name of the area before it was called Rakay state?
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 3: It's even it's before Burma became Burma. Arkhan I was
Speaker 3: a king kingdom and it used to have its own
Speaker 3: palace and it's diversity, it's high page and it's natural resources.
Speaker 3: And then of course the Burmese colonizations happened to the
Speaker 3: Burma and Uh and later on Urkan has been named
Speaker 3: as rakinda state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it describes a geographical rather than ethnic identity, right,
Speaker 2: which is distinct from some of the other revolutionary organizations
Speaker 2: like Karrank or any or what have you.
Speaker 3: I think there are similarities and as well as there
Speaker 3: are differences when when when you put them together and
Speaker 3: and from a diversity perspective, of a kind of state.
Speaker 3: It's very diverse compared to other ethnic groups. And and
Speaker 3: also it's politically very complex. Uh so the the, the the,
Speaker 3: but over their overall similarities as well, like like you know,
Speaker 3: all are fighting to defeat the hunter to Yea to
Speaker 3: end the dictatorship in Melmar. But the the the, the
Speaker 3: primary thing here is the self interminations and self autonomy,
Speaker 3: like people want to decide to determine what is their
Speaker 3: present and official look like, how they want to treat
Speaker 3: with their past.
Speaker 4: That's the the the the the aspect. But of course
Speaker 4: the the like.
Speaker 3: To my to the best of my knowledge, these ethnic
Speaker 3: resistance organizations, both political and and and the armed groups
Speaker 3: have never claimed that they want to separate from Yanmar'. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's coming together in a different way. The holding together
Speaker 3: would be in a different way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And even when they speak to Bama people who
Speaker 2: are like the majority ethnicity and the ethnicity from which
Speaker 2: the junta's leadership had rule, and like they tell me,
Speaker 2: they're committed to a federal and like a federal Mianma
Speaker 2: with autonomy for these different regions and groups. And that's
Speaker 2: something that has held that coalition together.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, approximately more than fifty million populations in.
Speaker 4: Majority are Aburmese Buddhists.
Speaker 3: And they have been having this Buddhist supremacy and like
Speaker 3: Bama's supremacy over ethnic and religious minorities across the country.
Speaker 3: And of course Katchinker and others and went to desromine
Speaker 3: their picture by them and have the equality both their
Speaker 3: functions and number. And that's where we're having these seventy
Speaker 3: years long civil war. You know, that's came to collective
Speaker 3: revolutions in twenty twenty one, and history really speaking, people
Speaker 3: have been fighting in Enmark for equality, justice and to
Speaker 3: end the cycle of impunity for the last seventeen plus years.
Speaker 2: Great. I think that's a great place to take our
Speaker 2: first advertising break. All right, and we're back. I think
Speaker 2: you did an excellent job of explaining the history the
Speaker 2: Goddess here, and people will be very familiar with the
Speaker 2: trustees committed by the Burmese military and its proxies against
Speaker 2: Sirrhinga people, I hope. But one thing that's been happening
Speaker 2: recently which are particularly appalling is the forced recruitment of
Speaker 2: Behingar Peopleinga people buy that same military, right, can you
Speaker 2: explain what's been going on.
Speaker 3: So the conscriptions law has been reactivated. It has been
Speaker 3: there large by the previous military catis, but it has
Speaker 3: not been active. And so since the Hunter has been
Speaker 3: falling apart and collapsing, not only were kind of state
Speaker 3: across the country there wherever they fight, they lose, and
Speaker 3: they are battalions by battalion that's UH, that's running away
Speaker 3: the to Thailand, running away to India, running away to
Speaker 3: Bangladesh and and putting white black. And there are several casualties.
Speaker 3: And apparently the Hunter became the largest military equipment supplier
Speaker 3: to the to the revolutionary force.
Speaker 4: Where we did not get we did.
Speaker 3: Not get international support when when young people actually smadels
Speaker 3: and writers point decided to go to the forest to
Speaker 3: do to fight against this center, and there was little
Speaker 3: to no international support.
Speaker 4: And we have been struggling to to to equip ourselves
Speaker 4: to fight this center.
Speaker 3: And and of course the the resilience and the courage
Speaker 3: that young people had and the tactical and strategy capacity
Speaker 3: that the ethnic resistance organization had in combined became a factor.
Speaker 3: UH to have an a strategic sourcing of the military
Speaker 3: equipment and Hunter like battalion by battalion. You don't need
Speaker 3: to buy the weapons and military tang and things like that.
Speaker 3: You you go and fight one battalion and they run
Speaker 3: away or they die, and then you take over the
Speaker 3: That's how the the whole old thing started in in
Speaker 3: In Then when they are losing the they reactivated these
Speaker 3: conscriptions law and started to in the interest of making
Speaker 3: mandustry everyone to be serving by force in the in
Speaker 3: the military by chance. And of course when it's come
Speaker 3: to a kind of state or a kind of state,
Speaker 3: the six hundred thousand Ringa and t one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty to sixty of them has been in concentration camp,
Speaker 3: consolidated in one place with movement restrictions, no access to education,
Speaker 3: healthcare and things like that, where they have been living
Speaker 3: more than a decade in some of those camp and
Speaker 3: villages where those people who are not in the camp
Speaker 3: as well has been imposed by additional movement restrictions. So
Speaker 3: you don't need to really go and mobilize people to
Speaker 3: be forcefully recruiting. And at the beginning the junta went
Speaker 3: to them and to give them sort of show them
Speaker 3: incentive of like you will become the citizens and will
Speaker 3: give that and we'll give.
Speaker 4: That and you need to fight against the.
Speaker 3: The army and of course the grassroot. The leader community
Speaker 3: leader responded in a way that they need to respond
Speaker 3: to reject the requests from from the from the military.
Speaker 3: Hometoend and Maliti started to of course imposed by using
Speaker 3: the force. And as I mentioned earlier, they will need
Speaker 3: to like when you have consolidated people that amount of
Speaker 3: young people doing nothing and you just go and catch
Speaker 3: them and put them on a truck, and some of
Speaker 3: them don't know where they are going because their whole
Speaker 3: life has been in this camp. Like when you're six
Speaker 3: years old and you are now eighteen and it's mandustry
Speaker 3: for you to be serving in the military, and you
Speaker 3: don't know what is happening in our side of your camp.
Speaker 3: Because so that's how really the the and then we
Speaker 3: got these news and of course we have been talking
Speaker 3: different community leaders and the community has been approaching to
Speaker 3: us as a government and we make there are several
Speaker 3: media coverage as well. Then the military started to see
Speaker 3: these uh, these Bengalis are not not referring to the Hinga,
Speaker 3: are not the citizens of Therefore there is no way
Speaker 3: that we we we make them served in the in
Speaker 3: the military.
Speaker 4: So those are fakings that.
Speaker 3: So they use these States propaganda TV channel and the
Speaker 3: state newspaper which is now under control of SUCK to
Speaker 3: deny that. And on seventh October, seventh sorry, seven March,
Speaker 3: the the those who they have kind of stripted, uh
Speaker 3: more than five hundred has been brought into into the
Speaker 3: commanding office of the Hunter to be training in full uniform.
Speaker 3: Some of them those inside there has got managed to
Speaker 3: get internet internet access and then said to me the
Speaker 3: video footage what is happening on the inside there, So
Speaker 3: I I posted that on my Twitter and and then
Speaker 3: it's it's spread it from there and then we we
Speaker 3: call them like their denial and it's the lives that
Speaker 3: they have been putting by denying that when Ronio we're
Speaker 3: not conscripted, ah was wrong. And then a few days
Speaker 3: later they have been sent to the front line to
Speaker 3: fight against a And then there are hundreds of those
Speaker 3: ruhingas who were who died.
Speaker 4: In this front line while and the Hunter.
Speaker 3: Cake came back a few days later talking to their
Speaker 3: family saying that okape hundred plus people.
Speaker 4: Has died and we don't know who is who.
Speaker 3: And when we bring your dad, buddy, you will will
Speaker 3: be able to be identified.
Speaker 4: And the first dead body that they brought.
Speaker 3: And handed over to the clam the and the community
Speaker 3: leader with one million jets which is three hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty dollars plus one hundred kg of rice as an
Speaker 3: incentive for the life that they have given in the fighting.
Speaker 4: So that's the situations, and we can of course continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very bleak, isn't it. So this and we've
Speaker 2: seen just today actually people have been online today there
Speaker 2: was a protest in Rapine State somewhere for a hindred
Speaker 2: people rejecting the our economy. Can can you explain like
Speaker 2: that might not be what it seems on the face
Speaker 2: of it, right? Can can you explain what might be
Speaker 2: happening there?
Speaker 3: The situations in ra kind of state has been very
Speaker 3: much complex because there are there are hidden factors being
Speaker 3: created are e officially created by the hunter. For so
Speaker 3: long from the two thousand and twenty twelve twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: between these different communities, there has been always interdependency and
Speaker 3: social equation to somewhat level. But HUNDA always used the
Speaker 3: divide and rule methodology to bring the conflict between these
Speaker 3: community and hate each other and then they can carry
Speaker 3: out what they need to do as a powerholder.
Speaker 4: And of course when.
Speaker 3: The arconomy is getting greater control over the over kind
Speaker 3: of state and the hunter is losing, UH, the the
Speaker 3: the Melochiy hunt and it used all tactics that they have,
Speaker 3: including the the the UH, the intercommunal tensions and and
Speaker 3: so they they are ruhinga few Ringia maybe who has
Speaker 3: businesses with these UH, this hunter are being used as
Speaker 3: a proxy to push pressure of pressure on the Ruhingia
Speaker 3: and to organize. And so that's why the protest started
Speaker 3: a few years ago. UH in one of the townships
Speaker 3: in the China state, we're eighty to ninety percent are
Speaker 3: rowinga and claiming that we don't want war and we
Speaker 3: don't want EE. And of course this can be happening
Speaker 3: artificially organically, and it's so artificial, and anyone who looks
Speaker 3: into this video footage, I can see that the Ruhingia
Speaker 3: never had in their life, like those who are protesting
Speaker 3: never know what is means, freedom of expression means. And suddenly,
Speaker 3: in one random morning, one hundred hundred of Ruwinga, including minors, children,
Speaker 3: coming on the streets and protesting is is not something normal.
Speaker 3: It can happen without without.
Speaker 4: The uh uh.
Speaker 3: And of course, majority of the of the Rhingia are
Speaker 3: peace loving people and they want Burma to be an
Speaker 3: inclusive federal democracy and they want.
Speaker 4: To be part of it, and we are.
Speaker 3: That's why I myself as a Ruhinga taking a leading
Speaker 3: rule in in the government, as the first Ruhinga holding
Speaker 3: back ministrial positions in the cabinet since.
Speaker 4: Nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 3: And and and of course the the the Ruhingo equally
Speaker 3: want the to end the dictatorship once and for all
Speaker 3: because that very junta has been committing trustities, crimes, including
Speaker 3: crimes against humanity and to genocides to Uringa. This is
Speaker 3: the very same electry who deported a million ringer killed
Speaker 3: more than twenty four thousands of people in burning children's
Speaker 3: life in twenty seventeen. So in which way that ring
Speaker 3: collectively will come and ascend with this shuna with the
Speaker 3: whole country. So this is not this is really not
Speaker 3: something organic, and this is artificial. This is too big
Speaker 3: and this is so like hunter made to fit into
Speaker 3: be fitting into their political propaganda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think one has to when we was
Speaker 2: looking at things in MEMR be aware that the Hunter
Speaker 2: just doesn't care about lying. It's something they've done for
Speaker 2: a long time. I apparently can't download iHeart podcasts in
Speaker 2: Memo now, Like someone tried to download our podcast there
Speaker 2: and so they had to use a VPN. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they manipulate the media environment heavily, like you can read
Speaker 2: Hunt newspapers and some of its comically false. But one
Speaker 2: thing I did want to talk about is like when
Speaker 2: I talk to young PDS fighters, and I've spoken to
Speaker 2: dozens of them now, people who are Koreni, people who
Speaker 2: are Korene, people who are Bama, people who are Kitchin,
Speaker 2: they a lot of them say to me that, like
Speaker 2: what happened in twenty seventeen was atrocious and at the
Speaker 2: time they didn't realize because of this manipulated media environment,
Speaker 2: they didn't realize that the way the Rahinda were being
Speaker 2: treated was so appalling, and that now they're very upset
Speaker 2: about what happened. And like for them, I guess the
Speaker 2: litmus test for like a future for Burma is one
Speaker 2: that can include Rahinja people and so like with that
Speaker 2: in mind, I guess we've seen this kind of changing
Speaker 2: of language right where Previously they were referred to as
Speaker 2: Bangladeshi and then now they're referred to as Muslim or
Speaker 2: Hinga people. I guess can you just explain, like what
Speaker 2: is the n UGPDF kind of like how how do
Speaker 2: we ensure in dependence and safety for a hanger people
Speaker 2: in Myanmar in a federal democratic future without a dictatorship.
Speaker 3: We're in a context of identity politics where the identity
Speaker 3: is so much associated with very rights, whether it's political, social,
Speaker 3: and economical right that you deserve and what you need
Speaker 3: to give back as an active obliged citizens, and obligations
Speaker 3: to the country that you belong. Therefore, the identity the
Speaker 3: Rhinga is a primary thing for Ruhinga to be enjoying
Speaker 3: equal freedom and to be able to contribute equally as
Speaker 3: others in the nation building process. And of course before
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, even before that, there has been a lot
Speaker 3: of misinformation, disinformations, propaganda are widespread state sponsored against the
Speaker 3: Ruhinga to that could be a misleading and incitement of violence.
Speaker 3: And and and the trum Bengali is a trum that's
Speaker 3: refer that you're coming from Bangladesh.
Speaker 4: Illegally and you're illegally as you settling. That's how the
Speaker 4: terms came direct from.
Speaker 2: Its false it's a false accusation.
Speaker 4: It's false accusations.
Speaker 3: And the the the the Ruhingia people has existed in
Speaker 3: the kind of states side by side with your kind people,
Speaker 3: even Burma became Burma and their historical facts that there
Speaker 3: are so many undeniable things that you could you could
Speaker 3: look into and into into various historical facts, and so
Speaker 3: the the in between. Of course, the Rhingia the trum
Speaker 3: become illegal and the military denied it, rejected it, and
Speaker 3: then they started to use the Troum Bengali and the
Speaker 3: most of the Burmese people fall into that trap. And
Speaker 3: even somewhere either silent thing in this horrific genocideal attack
Speaker 3: in twenty seven in or somewhere taking sight of a
Speaker 3: military at that time that it's okay to kill and
Speaker 3: it's okay to and of course these are being being
Speaker 3: propelled by all misinformations and disinformation that our earlier mentioned and.
Speaker 4: Twenty one attempted could happened.
Speaker 3: And that's where a new perspective is being offered to
Speaker 3: the people of me and Mar because the same military
Speaker 3: that has been carrying out atrocities clans against the Rhingia
Speaker 3: and other minorities came to larger Ma people doing the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 4: So what has been told to us by.
Speaker 3: The Ruhinga and the religious and ethnic minority in Enmar
Speaker 3: for the decade came to be true. And that's how
Speaker 3: the acceptance of the Ruhinga has started to grow. Of course,
Speaker 3: it's not to the level that we would be satisfied
Speaker 3: with yet. It's a process and there is so much
Speaker 3: to unlearn because one provoking factor like attempted to should
Speaker 3: like wouldn't fix a problem that has been there for
Speaker 3: for decades.
Speaker 4: And a National Unity.
Speaker 3: Government declared that we accept the chum Ruhinga, and there
Speaker 3: has been a policy stating very clearly in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: one June, and that policy to be implemented of course
Speaker 3: when the situation is conducive and there are significant challenges
Speaker 3: with the territorial control and things like that when it's come.
Speaker 4: But again, the momentum that.
Speaker 3: I mentioned we got as a result of extreme evolutions
Speaker 3: need to be maintained in the higher scale. That's not
Speaker 3: only the Ruhinga and anything that's wrong, that's primarily that's
Speaker 3: principle and value are strong. I need to be able
Speaker 3: to see it wrong, regardless of whoever it is, and
Speaker 3: regardless of race and religion. If we are talking about
Speaker 3: federal inclusive democracy, we cannot preach our people or international
Speaker 3: community saying that support us or asking for support or
Speaker 3: be a part of this movement where we see a
Speaker 3: sepri floud fishers and inclusive federal democracy. We're actual values
Speaker 3: that we are not practicing by ourselves. So before we preach,
Speaker 3: we need to we need to act upon those principles
Speaker 3: by ourselves. And overall, I would say, the all the
Speaker 3: loss that we had, including life and livelihood, that hundred
Speaker 3: and hundred of people, thousands of people has been killed, jailed,
Speaker 3: and hundreds of people villagers, township has been destroyed, the
Speaker 3: good thing that we got is the the these consciousness
Speaker 3: on the morality.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And if we're able to accelerate that consciousness at the
Speaker 3: greatest scale, that's.
Speaker 4: Where we will.
Speaker 3: Be able to maintain the values and principle of the
Speaker 3: inclusive federal democracy.
Speaker 4: That will be the pillar to maintain this as a process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so it's really fast neating to talk
Speaker 2: to young people. I was talking to some mandal a
Speaker 2: PDF people not so long ago, and they were like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, well, when we left, we were told that
Speaker 2: like the Tang would hate us because we're Burmese and
Speaker 2: they would fight us. And then they're like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: really nice, Like this is a guy right next to me,
Speaker 2: and they're like because they're joined up together. Now the
Speaker 2: PDFs and and the eros are largely fighting side by
Speaker 2: side against is there like the PDF forces present in
Speaker 2: rakind state as well.
Speaker 3: No, there is Arkan Army particularly which is an allies
Speaker 3: with the with the we have been there have been
Speaker 3: multiple intric like you know, there are we have Alliance
Speaker 3: Relations Committee that we deal with all the alliance as
Speaker 3: National Unity Government and of course they have been playing
Speaker 3: in an important role in defeating the content. And there
Speaker 3: is no PDF in the Kinda state.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so it's a little different there. Other often
Speaker 2: the PDF and the eras are very similar in fight
Speaker 2: sorr by side.
Speaker 4: Also, our army is not tracked alone in the kind
Speaker 4: Of state.
Speaker 3: They're almost also in in Sharna State and they're yes
Speaker 3: fighting with not only in the China state. So like
Speaker 3: when we talk about like even though the physical epidios
Speaker 3: are not there, it doesn't mean that there is no
Speaker 3: military connect to military connections between the ethnic organizations that
Speaker 3: exists across the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like we've seen that a lot since October,
Speaker 2: and like since the Three brother Alliance started their campaign.
Speaker 2: That moves hunter forces to one place, and that allows
Speaker 2: other people like the Kareni to take advantage of the
Speaker 2: way those forces have moved and they've liberated huge parts
Speaker 2: of their territory. So okay, it's all joined, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The tricky part that they have used in the past
Speaker 3: is like hidden cut, is that they will do sea
Speaker 3: fight in one part of the country and they will
Speaker 3: allocate all of their resources in another part of the country,
Speaker 3: and where they will defeat or they will at least
Speaker 3: like come to bargaining positions.
Speaker 4: Let's not quite anymore.
Speaker 3: And and you stay where you are and don't don't
Speaker 3: try to like you know, and and it's Funta who
Speaker 3: violate again all all these agreements that usually sell. And
Speaker 3: this time it's so coordinated across the country that the
Speaker 3: Junta cannot be able to position themselves or estrategize themselves
Speaker 3: or foot then themselves in the tactical positions. Their old
Speaker 3: tactic did not work in the modern coordinations of the
Speaker 3: PDF and Ethnic Resistance Organization. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, They've tried multiple times to have regular individuals fires
Speaker 2: and it hasn't worked. So I wanted to ask just
Speaker 2: to finish up. People I think who listen to this
Speaker 2: will be very familiar the situation in Miyama, and they
Speaker 2: want to help, and they see that the international community
Speaker 2: is doing nothing, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are rightly very upset about that. So what can people
Speaker 2: do to help and especially to advocate for Rhinga people.
Speaker 4: Particularly when it's come to the Rhindia people.
Speaker 3: Ringa people crisis is so much interconnected with Burmese democratization process.
Speaker 3: Ruhindia will not be able to have a life that dignified, say,
Speaker 3: and in their place of origin unless the Burma is
Speaker 3: solely in the hand of a civilian government. So the
Speaker 3: democratization process that whole ver is attempting to make need
Speaker 3: to be supported by international community.
Speaker 4: As I mentioned.
Speaker 3: Earlier, so far we got little to no international support.
Speaker 3: And on the Ruhinga crisis as well. There's one million
Speaker 3: people in Bangladesh where their Russians are cuts to eight
Speaker 3: dollars per month per person and which is a couple
Speaker 3: of in the United States and and UH, and there
Speaker 3: is a greater danger of hunger, restorvations and malnitary nutrition
Speaker 3: and UH and so many other social economic problems that
Speaker 3: would have an impact on the regional security stability and
Speaker 3: things like that if the shortfall remains UH funding short
Speaker 3: call remains for for for for for for the for
Speaker 3: the nia that's on the humanustrian and and of course
Speaker 3: Rhingia need to be politically organized in order to be
Speaker 3: to be fitting into the changing political dynamics of mr.
Speaker 4: Uringia has been oppressed.
Speaker 3: They were not able to form study organizations, they were
Speaker 3: not able to be educating themselves. So all these societial
Speaker 3: leadership aspect need to be supported, including having a company
Speaker 3: like having an organized political platform for for Ringa which
Speaker 3: will be able to represent Shuringa in the larger polity table,
Speaker 3: ensuring their voices are hard and they able to equally
Speaker 3: take the rights that they deserve.
Speaker 4: And more importantly equal equally.
Speaker 3: Able to contribute to a decision that will have an
Speaker 3: impact on their life. And the United States has determined
Speaker 3: the crimes against Ruhinga as genocide two years before. And
Speaker 3: of course the genocide discrimination does not simply is an announcement.
Speaker 3: It's come with the moral and legal responsibility. So we
Speaker 3: do want to require the United States and it's people
Speaker 3: to formally extent on the moral and legal obligations that
Speaker 3: it has in ensuring that the Ruhinga are able to
Speaker 3: live equally peacefully and more importantly, the justice that they
Speaker 3: deserve on the on the physical and mental damage that
Speaker 3: happened as part of the genocide. And it was picked
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, it's continued to be happening today and
Speaker 3: even today one hundred and fifty people were arriving in Archi, Indonesia,
Speaker 3: where the Indonesian people who were showing greater humanity in
Speaker 3: opening their arms and parts to be accepting Ruhinga, are
Speaker 3: denying the Rhinga. So for the Ruhinga, there is little
Speaker 3: to no space to be accommodated, both in regional and
Speaker 3: international and local setting, and it is very important that
Speaker 3: we are able to tackle and navigate these issues together
Speaker 3: with the international community in an innovative, effective, efficient and
Speaker 3: sustainable way for the sake of humanity. And there are
Speaker 3: competing priorities across the world, but the international community is
Speaker 3: we are so aware that international community is capable of
Speaker 3: doing more than one thing at a time.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be either.
Speaker 2: All, No, it can be both, and it should be right.
Speaker 2: Like obviously people are very concerned with the plight of
Speaker 2: Palestinian people, rightly so at the moment. But yes, we
Speaker 2: should remember that as a Muslim people have been subject
Speaker 2: to genocide for the last needed for seven years, I suppose,
Speaker 2: and it's ongoing, and they deserve our support and solidarity
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, I hope, yeah, yeah, I mean it
Speaker 2: does seem like, I guess a little more hopeful than
Speaker 2: it was even a couple of years ago that there
Speaker 2: will be a democratic.
Speaker 3: Mean, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the journey is.
Speaker 3: Is almost think and what we need is greater international support.
Speaker 3: Like support doesn't mean just you know, releasing the statement,
Speaker 3: meaningful comprehensive support that we are able to defeat this
Speaker 3: Manta once and for all, for the sake of people
Speaker 3: of me and Mark fifty plus million people giving the
Speaker 3: price at the highest possible price in their life that
Speaker 3: include again the lives and livelihood. An international community was
Speaker 3: not doing more than condemnations for releasing a statement of
Speaker 3: concern over the last three years, so it's time to
Speaker 3: act and an international community again has to answer this
Speaker 3: question to next generations when there's a questions on the
Speaker 3: morality we're the international community when the genocide comes against
Speaker 3: community and war came has been happening two million anything
Speaker 3: some people in the eyes of international community.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hope they do. And it's incredible the
Speaker 2: progress that has been made without that support. And I
Speaker 2: think it's just incredible to me that even I remember
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one talking to people who were just
Speaker 2: beginning their fight, and to see how far they've come
Speaker 2: is outstanding. Yeah, and yeah, people should be very proud
Speaker 2: of that. But it doesn't mean that they don't need
Speaker 2: more support.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that they don't need surface to our missiles.
Speaker 4: They do. Like, yeah, that it's the.
Speaker 2: Thing that we should be doing. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining us. We really appreciate your time and you're
Speaker 2: insight into this. Is there anywhere where people can find
Speaker 2: you online if they were to.
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Speaker 4: in the near future. Yeah. Thanks, thank you, thank you
Speaker 4: for having me.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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