WEBVTT - What’s Happening to the Rohingya in Myanmar’s Civil War? 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.960 All the media. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:09.239 Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast today. We have a 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.560 very interesting issue. You're very lucky to be joined by Onomo, 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.680 who we've heard from before, who is a minister who 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.160 is hindering in the National Unity Government of Burma or Myanmar, 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.680 both of those words are okay, And we're talking about 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.520 the situation of Rhinga people and the development sort of 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.960 happened in Rakaine State since I guess since the beginning 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.880 of Operation ten twenty seven. So welcome to the show. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.880 Thank you so much day, thanks for having me and 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.440 it's good to be back with you to this show. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.120 Thank you. Yeah, no, it's wonderful to have you back 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.199 and we're very fortunate. So I wonder if we could 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.360 start by summarizing for listeners the things sort have happened 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.920 in the last few months in Rakaine State, because there 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.640 have been some massive changes since maybe listeners were last 0:00:58.640 --> 0:00:59.800 aware of what was happening there. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:01.400 Yeah, sure, thank you. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.440 Since the coup, there were on and off fights between 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.520 the Arcana Army and there and the Malasia Hunters process 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:14.120 in Rakaina State. However, in the interest of the of 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.399 the of the humanitary and neat, both parties came to 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.240 enter to a ceasefire agreement. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.640 In between. However, the fight. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.440 Against the military junta in me and Mark started in 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.679 different part of Me and Mark continued to be accelerating 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.000 and most recently the ten twenty seven and followed by 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.720 others operations in in Crimey estate has has been has 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:47.960 been quite rapidly spreading across the country and that's definitely 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.640 went through ra kinda state where resumed to target the 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:57.040 the the junta in its political objective to be to 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:57.559 be reaching. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.080 Uh. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:03.720 That's the situations we are today that the Arkan Army 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.640 has been in very good positions to be dismantling the 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.560 Hunter's forces in our kind of state. And so far 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:16.680 since Operation twenty seven ten twenty seven Salad, more than 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.840 half of the township districts in our kinda state has 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.640 been ceased by the Arkhan Army, including some of those 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:31.040 were majority of Runa lifts. And it's continued to be 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.440 under in a very literating situations. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.760 Yeah, at the end, they've they've even sunk Hunter ships 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.639 or captured them in some cases. I think it's been 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.080 a bit of a that there was a video that 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.280 was quite like maybe not viruls around word certainly I 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.240 saw a lot but of border guard forces right, which 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.840 are like a militia's allied to the hunter, like fleeing 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.000 into Bangladesh. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.840 This is another the border guard process are from mostly 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:05.040 from militaries, their train militaries, their uniforms are changed into 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:10.280 border guard force due to different agreement with that exists 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:15.400 between two states in allocating. It's true along the border 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.440 side and the border guard forces are one of the 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.120 most primary forces that's deported through Highen and run the 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.560 Rohingia's forces in twenty seven and make them flee. So 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.640 six years later as the same vdps who committed to 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:36.040 the crimes against the Rhinga atrocities that include crimes against 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:41.000 humanity and war crimes had to flee to Bangladesh in 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.600 a quite similar way to refuge. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.360 And so it's sort of. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.240 Karma or whatever you put it in a way and 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:56.040 the perceptions and reality of course when it's it's kind 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:01.000 of confrontations between the two groups are army and the military. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.800 Countless sources. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.280 The reality that has been defined by most of ours, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.600 nimianmar and across that. We used to believe that the 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.360 Burmese military is a strong vote by human resource and equipment, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.400 and then in reality they are very weak and our 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:20.119 army has proved by dismantling a various battalion in country 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:26.880 battalion and even capturing alive like second ice commanding officer 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.159 in the whole of the kind of state. And also 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:34.280 many senior level officer has been has been killed over this. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:39.120 That so the reality perception has been deeper on the 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.880 NMR military when we look it from from external perspective. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.560 Yeah, and I think just in case listeners aren't familiar, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.839 it can be very confusing if you don't read about 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:51.680 this stuff all the time. It's sort of the alphabet 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:58.600 soup of organizations, and especially with reference to Rahinga and 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.920 Rakind State, because we have of Hinga armed groups or 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.320 armed groups which drove mostly from Ahinga people that don't 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.400 necessarily represent them all. And then we have the AA. Son, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:15.760 can you explain the AA's relationship to Rakind State and 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.520 then how they relate to Ahinga people. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:20.120 A has been. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.279 Established in two thousand and nine with aims to be 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:29.720 having confederations and not less than war, which is another 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:36.680 special regimes and more with a special autonomy, and it 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.560 has been led by some young people and it has 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:45.720 been quite a leadership as well within their kind political stuctrum, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:51.599 and he has been growing very op italy and the 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.320 acceptance of the of the people, particularly kind people has 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.800 been very high. Therefore the resource allocations that he got 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.040 from human resource to other resources to be rapidly coping 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.240 with that group growth has been high, and that put 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.880 them in a position is to be standing in front 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:13.880 of a Hunta in a very stronger positions and defeat 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:19.320 them and very rapidly. And of course the Arkhan Army 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.360 which would refer here a SAE, is not as inclusive 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.400 as ra kind Ra kind of state is very diverse 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.320 and it has got a multiple ethnic group. The largest 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.200 ethnic group is Rakin religiously with these people and to 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:37.760 which the majority of army's leadership derived from there. And 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.560 the second largest majority, which are the Rwinga and Toroina, 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.760 are still the second largest majority in the rack kind 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.920 of states. Despite a milion being pushed off to Bangladesh 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:52.000 in twenty seventeen and several hundred thousand spreaded across the 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:57.440 region and the inclusivity in an Arcan army is still 0:06:58.960 --> 0:06:59.719 still not there. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:00.200 Uh. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.320 When when we talk about Rhingia that's mean that there 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.960 might be some small small number of Rhingia's in different 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:12.240 battalions of Arkan Army and the administrative units that they're 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:13.880 building at a very crossroot level. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.840 However, the the the Ringien. 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.160 Need to be included both by functions and in order 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.760 to have to describe that relationship and inclusively between the 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.600 Rhenia people and the Arkan Army. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.640 Yeah, and it's that Arakan. Is that Rakhan is the 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.640 name of the area before it was called Rakay state? 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:32.240 Is that right? 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:33.520 Correct? 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:39.280 It's even it's before Burma became Burma. Arkhan I was 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.760 a king kingdom and it used to have its own 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:47.080 palace and it's diversity, it's high page and it's natural resources. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.080 And then of course the Burmese colonizations happened to the 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.160 Burma and Uh and later on Urkan has been named 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.120 as rakinda state. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.720 Yeah, so it describes a geographical rather than ethnic identity, right, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.280 which is distinct from some of the other revolutionary organizations 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.480 like Karrank or any or what have you. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.400 I think there are similarities and as well as there 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.680 are differences when when when you put them together and 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.720 and from a diversity perspective, of a kind of state. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.800 It's very diverse compared to other ethnic groups. And and 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:26.640 also it's politically very complex. Uh so the the, the the, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.120 but over their overall similarities as well, like like you know, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.560 all are fighting to defeat the hunter to Yea to 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.560 end the dictatorship in Melmar. But the the the, the 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.160 primary thing here is the self interminations and self autonomy, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.960 like people want to decide to determine what is their 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.280 present and official look like, how they want to treat 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:46.920 with their past. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.240 That's the the the the the aspect. But of course 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.280 the the like. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.520 To my to the best of my knowledge, these ethnic 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:02.079 resistance organizations, both political and and and the armed groups 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.880 have never claimed that they want to separate from Yanmar'. Yes, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.880 it's coming together in a different way. The holding together 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.080 would be in a different way. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.280 Yeah, And even when they speak to Bama people who 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.800 are like the majority ethnicity and the ethnicity from which 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.480 the junta's leadership had rule, and like they tell me, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.199 they're committed to a federal and like a federal Mianma 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.800 with autonomy for these different regions and groups. And that's 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.960 something that has held that coalition together. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:36.120 Right, Yeah, approximately more than fifty million populations in. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.520 Majority are Aburmese Buddhists. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:44.120 And they have been having this Buddhist supremacy and like 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:49.920 Bama's supremacy over ethnic and religious minorities across the country. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:54.400 And of course Katchinker and others and went to desromine 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:02.559 their picture by them and have the equality both their 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:07.240 functions and number. And that's where we're having these seventy 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:12.400 years long civil war. You know, that's came to collective 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:17.839 revolutions in twenty twenty one, and history really speaking, people 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.800 have been fighting in Enmark for equality, justice and to 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.840 end the cycle of impunity for the last seventeen plus years. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.840 Great. I think that's a great place to take our 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:42.480 first advertising break. All right, and we're back. I think 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.760 you did an excellent job of explaining the history the 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.760 Goddess here, and people will be very familiar with the 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.560 trustees committed by the Burmese military and its proxies against 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:57.400 Sirrhinga people, I hope. But one thing that's been happening 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.679 recently which are particularly appalling is the forced recruitment of 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:05.439 Behingar Peopleinga people buy that same military, right, can you 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:06.640 explain what's been going on. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:13.600 So the conscriptions law has been reactivated. It has been 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:21.240 there large by the previous military catis, but it has 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.439 not been active. And so since the Hunter has been 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.960 falling apart and collapsing, not only were kind of state 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.960 across the country there wherever they fight, they lose, and 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.240 they are battalions by battalion that's UH, that's running away 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.360 the to Thailand, running away to India, running away to 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:45.880 Bangladesh and and putting white black. And there are several casualties. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:52.040 And apparently the Hunter became the largest military equipment supplier 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.520 to the to the revolutionary force. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.000 Where we did not get we did. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:01.920 Not get international support when when young people actually smadels 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:07.360 and writers point decided to go to the forest to 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.760 do to fight against this center, and there was little 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:12.960 to no international support. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.439 And we have been struggling to to to equip ourselves 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:18.800 to fight this center. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.319 And and of course the the resilience and the courage 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:28.119 that young people had and the tactical and strategy capacity 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:34.480 that the ethnic resistance organization had in combined became a factor. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.480 UH to have an a strategic sourcing of the military 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.240 equipment and Hunter like battalion by battalion. You don't need 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.920 to buy the weapons and military tang and things like that. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.719 You you go and fight one battalion and they run 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.400 away or they die, and then you take over the 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:56.000 That's how the the whole old thing started in in 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.560 In Then when they are losing the they reactivated these 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.720 conscriptions law and started to in the interest of making 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.839 mandustry everyone to be serving by force in the in 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.679 the military by chance. And of course when it's come 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.280 to a kind of state or a kind of state, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.040 the six hundred thousand Ringa and t one hundred and 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:23.199 fifty to sixty of them has been in concentration camp, 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:29.760 consolidated in one place with movement restrictions, no access to education, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.520 healthcare and things like that, where they have been living 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.680 more than a decade in some of those camp and 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.800 villages where those people who are not in the camp 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.960 as well has been imposed by additional movement restrictions. So 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.160 you don't need to really go and mobilize people to 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.960 be forcefully recruiting. And at the beginning the junta went 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.040 to them and to give them sort of show them 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.000 incentive of like you will become the citizens and will 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:58.079 give that and we'll give. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:02.080 That and you need to fight against the. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:06.000 The army and of course the grassroot. The leader community 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.360 leader responded in a way that they need to respond 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:14.360 to reject the requests from from the from the military. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:18.680 Hometoend and Maliti started to of course imposed by using 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.160 the force. And as I mentioned earlier, they will need 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.280 to like when you have consolidated people that amount of 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.360 young people doing nothing and you just go and catch 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.400 them and put them on a truck, and some of 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.480 them don't know where they are going because their whole 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.600 life has been in this camp. Like when you're six 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.280 years old and you are now eighteen and it's mandustry 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.320 for you to be serving in the military, and you 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.680 don't know what is happening in our side of your camp. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:45.560 Because so that's how really the the and then we 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.880 got these news and of course we have been talking 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.360 different community leaders and the community has been approaching to 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.320 us as a government and we make there are several 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.760 media coverage as well. Then the military started to see 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.480 these uh, these Bengalis are not not referring to the Hinga, 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.040 are not the citizens of Therefore there is no way 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.280 that we we we make them served in the in 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:11.120 the military. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:12.280 So those are fakings that. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.080 So they use these States propaganda TV channel and the 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.000 state newspaper which is now under control of SUCK to 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:26.440 deny that. And on seventh October, seventh sorry, seven March, 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.239 the the those who they have kind of stripted, uh 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.760 more than five hundred has been brought into into the 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.040 commanding office of the Hunter to be training in full uniform. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.320 Some of them those inside there has got managed to 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.000 get internet internet access and then said to me the 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.600 video footage what is happening on the inside there, So 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:54.760 I I posted that on my Twitter and and then 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.960 it's it's spread it from there and then we we 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.280 call them like their denial and it's the lives that 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.160 they have been putting by denying that when Ronio we're 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.400 not conscripted, ah was wrong. And then a few days 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.560 later they have been sent to the front line to 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.600 fight against a And then there are hundreds of those 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.640 ruhingas who were who died. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:19.920 In this front line while and the Hunter. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.520 Cake came back a few days later talking to their 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.400 family saying that okape hundred plus people. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.840 Has died and we don't know who is who. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.880 And when we bring your dad, buddy, you will will 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.880 be able to be identified. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.520 And the first dead body that they brought. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.280 And handed over to the clam the and the community 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.160 leader with one million jets which is three hundred and 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.120 fifty dollars plus one hundred kg of rice as an 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.200 incentive for the life that they have given in the fighting. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.600 So that's the situations, and we can of course continue. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:02.120 Yeah, that's very bleak, isn't it. So this and we've 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.680 seen just today actually people have been online today there 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.359 was a protest in Rapine State somewhere for a hindred 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.119 people rejecting the our economy. Can can you explain like 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.720 that might not be what it seems on the face 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.280 of it, right? Can can you explain what might be 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:18.040 happening there? 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.239 The situations in ra kind of state has been very 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:27.240 much complex because there are there are hidden factors being 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.000 created are e officially created by the hunter. For so 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:35.320 long from the two thousand and twenty twelve twenty seventeen, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.480 between these different communities, there has been always interdependency and 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.040 social equation to somewhat level. But HUNDA always used the 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:49.520 divide and rule methodology to bring the conflict between these 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.000 community and hate each other and then they can carry 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.760 out what they need to do as a powerholder. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.720 And of course when. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:03.120 The arconomy is getting greater control over the over kind 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.159 of state and the hunter is losing, UH, the the 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.919 the Melochiy hunt and it used all tactics that they have, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:16.399 including the the the UH, the intercommunal tensions and and 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:21.760 so they they are ruhinga few Ringia maybe who has 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.199 businesses with these UH, this hunter are being used as 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.320 a proxy to push pressure of pressure on the Ruhingia 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.440 and to organize. And so that's why the protest started 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.280 a few years ago. UH in one of the townships 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.120 in the China state, we're eighty to ninety percent are 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.679 rowinga and claiming that we don't want war and we 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.960 don't want EE. And of course this can be happening 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.919 artificially organically, and it's so artificial, and anyone who looks 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.240 into this video footage, I can see that the Ruhingia 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.879 never had in their life, like those who are protesting 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.960 never know what is means, freedom of expression means. And suddenly, 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:10.680 in one random morning, one hundred hundred of Ruwinga, including minors, children, 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:17.200 coming on the streets and protesting is is not something normal. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.440 It can happen without without. 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.399 The uh uh. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.919 And of course, majority of the of the Rhingia are 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.800 peace loving people and they want Burma to be an 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.040 inclusive federal democracy and they want. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.320 To be part of it, and we are. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.840 That's why I myself as a Ruhinga taking a leading 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.440 rule in in the government, as the first Ruhinga holding 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.800 back ministrial positions in the cabinet since. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:41.640 Nineteen sixty two. 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:47.120 And and and of course the the the Ruhingo equally 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.680 want the to end the dictatorship once and for all 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:56.320 because that very junta has been committing trustities, crimes, including 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.080 crimes against humanity and to genocides to Uringa. This is 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.640 the very same electry who deported a million ringer killed 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:08.000 more than twenty four thousands of people in burning children's 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.600 life in twenty seventeen. So in which way that ring 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.040 collectively will come and ascend with this shuna with the 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:19.399 whole country. So this is not this is really not 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.080 something organic, and this is artificial. This is too big 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.680 and this is so like hunter made to fit into 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.040 be fitting into their political propaganda. 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.159 Yeah, and I think one has to when we was 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.160 looking at things in MEMR be aware that the Hunter 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.440 just doesn't care about lying. It's something they've done for 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:42.280 a long time. I apparently can't download iHeart podcasts in 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.479 Memo now, Like someone tried to download our podcast there 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.080 and so they had to use a VPN. But yeah, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.880 they manipulate the media environment heavily, like you can read 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:56.000 Hunt newspapers and some of its comically false. But one 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.400 thing I did want to talk about is like when 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.320 I talk to young PDS fighters, and I've spoken to 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.879 dozens of them now, people who are Koreni, people who 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.240 are Korene, people who are Bama, people who are Kitchin, 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.560 they a lot of them say to me that, like 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.199 what happened in twenty seventeen was atrocious and at the 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.720 time they didn't realize because of this manipulated media environment, 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.520 they didn't realize that the way the Rahinda were being 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.880 treated was so appalling, and that now they're very upset 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:28.119 about what happened. And like for them, I guess the 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.640 litmus test for like a future for Burma is one 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.560 that can include Rahinja people and so like with that 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:42.119 in mind, I guess we've seen this kind of changing 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.919 of language right where Previously they were referred to as 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.399 Bangladeshi and then now they're referred to as Muslim or 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.280 Hinga people. I guess can you just explain, like what 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:59.040 is the n UGPDF kind of like how how do 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.479 we ensure in dependence and safety for a hanger people 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:07.480 in Myanmar in a federal democratic future without a dictatorship. 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.720 We're in a context of identity politics where the identity 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:17.199 is so much associated with very rights, whether it's political, social, 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.840 and economical right that you deserve and what you need 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:26.320 to give back as an active obliged citizens, and obligations 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:30.280 to the country that you belong. Therefore, the identity the 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:35.080 Rhinga is a primary thing for Ruhinga to be enjoying 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.240 equal freedom and to be able to contribute equally as 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.760 others in the nation building process. And of course before 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:47.159 twenty seventeen, even before that, there has been a lot 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:53.320 of misinformation, disinformations, propaganda are widespread state sponsored against the 0:22:53.400 --> 0:23:01.920 Ruhinga to that could be a misleading and incitement of violence. 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:06.000 And and and the trum Bengali is a trum that's 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.719 refer that you're coming from Bangladesh. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.560 Illegally and you're illegally as you settling. That's how the 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.840 terms came direct from. 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.440 Its false it's a false accusation. 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:19.720 It's false accusations. 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:25.040 And the the the the Ruhingia people has existed in 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.439 the kind of states side by side with your kind people, 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.880 even Burma became Burma and their historical facts that there 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:36.080 are so many undeniable things that you could you could 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:41.040 look into and into into various historical facts, and so 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.400 the the in between. Of course, the Rhingia the trum 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:47.520 become illegal and the military denied it, rejected it, and 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.520 then they started to use the Troum Bengali and the 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.440 most of the Burmese people fall into that trap. And 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:59.200 even somewhere either silent thing in this horrific genocideal attack 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:03.159 in twenty seven in or somewhere taking sight of a 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.119 military at that time that it's okay to kill and 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.920 it's okay to and of course these are being being 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:15.119 propelled by all misinformations and disinformation that our earlier mentioned and. 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:18.680 Twenty one attempted could happened. 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.359 And that's where a new perspective is being offered to 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.040 the people of me and Mar because the same military 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:28.280 that has been carrying out atrocities clans against the Rhingia 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.840 and other minorities came to larger Ma people doing the 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:32.320 same thing. 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:36.040 So what has been told to us by. 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.040 The Ruhinga and the religious and ethnic minority in Enmar 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:44.160 for the decade came to be true. And that's how 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.800 the acceptance of the Ruhinga has started to grow. Of course, 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.520 it's not to the level that we would be satisfied 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:55.360 with yet. It's a process and there is so much 0:24:55.400 --> 0:25:02.040 to unlearn because one provoking factor like attempted to should 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.760 like wouldn't fix a problem that has been there for 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:08.359