1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Week seventeen of a jet Stream. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: I'm Janay Coakley alongside my favorite person, the one, the 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: only murdy Lyons Marty. We have a fun show, say 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: because Christmas is right around the corner. We're the week 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: of Christmas. Uh, Season's almost over, so you know, and 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: we have a really cool guest coming in. I actually 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: worked with him. You know him well. The Jet people, 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: the Jets fans know him well, so I can't wait 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: to chat with him. And we have lots of questions 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: from the fans that are all Christmas related. So mart 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: are you ready to go? 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, Jenney, And I think our guest 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: is one of those coaches that he was never a 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: head coach, he was the assistant head coach. But in 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: my opinion, he's a the best special team coach ever 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: in the NFL and should be in the Hall of Fame. 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Now that didn't get guesses, and I don't know what 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: else will Marty can go? I'm this but I can 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: see behind you the picture. What's that picture of behind you? 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: That's the picture of when coach Brian came out to 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: the Jet Complex and we were practicing that day and 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: it's from left to right over my head. That's Joe Namath, 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 2: Richard Todd, Coach Bryant, myself. We were the only three 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: players that got drafted in the first round that actually 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: played for coach Bryan in college. 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: How cool was that? Do you remember that day? 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: Oh? 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: I do? 29 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: It was a special day. There also the offensive line 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: coach Bob Fry. He played for coach Brian at the 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: University of Kentucky, so he was in one of the pictures. 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: But this is a picture that you know, you look 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: back on and you realize that how fortunate you were 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: to play for a coach that didn't just teach you 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: about the game of football, taught you how to prepare 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: yourself for the game of life. 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: Did he comes out the first time he's ever been 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: to the Jets with you and see you guys? 39 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: Or I think that was first time he ever came 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: out to watch practice. And I don't know what he 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: was up here for. I don't know if he was 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: up here for the Hall of Fame, because you know, 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: all the coaches come in for the College Football Hall 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: of Fame and they announced them, you know, from A 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: all the way to z and the colleges that were there, 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: so it might have been that time of the year, 47 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: but I was very surprised to see him out there 48 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: at practice. I think he actually showed up with Joe 49 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: and then you know, Richard and I were out there 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: practicing and it was a great photo. Op. 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: Oh, fantastic. I love that it's right behind you. What 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: a cool shot. All all right, Marty, So Christmas is 53 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: this week? Are you done your Christmas shopping? 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm done? Done? 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: Okay, what the grandkids do you have? 56 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: I have three grandchildren, but my daughter's thirty one, and 57 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: she kind of handles all the Christmas gifts and what 58 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: we need to get mom and what we need to 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: get each other. And you know, so I can't tell 60 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: you the last time I was in the mall. Yeah 61 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: you know, but I did you actually. 62 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: Buy any of the gifts or did you let your 63 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: daughter do it for you? 64 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: Well, we talk about it and then you know, I'd 65 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: let her buy it. But you know, I know that 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: the Amazon guy coming to the house every single day, 67 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: maybe four or five times a day. You know, I 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: go out there, he goes, oh, so you're Christine's husband. 69 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: I go, well, thank thank you. Yeah, but Amazon's just 70 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: taken over everything. 71 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: Oh. 72 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: I know. 73 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: It's funny because I was actually telling my kids the 74 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: other day we went to the mall because they went 75 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: to go sit on Santa's lap, and I just said, 76 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, this is where we used to shop like 77 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: this when you would rush in go Now barely anybody's there. 78 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: You just get everything off the internet. 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, or everybody's you know, they do that late minute shop. 80 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: And like I went to the grocery store the other 81 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: day and everything was off the shelf. Now they couldn't 82 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: they couldn't stock all the food that was being take 83 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: taken and replace it quick enough for the people. 84 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: Marty, did you ever have to play on Christmas or 85 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve? 86 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: I don't believe. So I played on Thanksgiving out there 87 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: in Detroit and they were eating all those turkey legs. 88 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: At the end of the game, they beat us up 89 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: pretty good. 90 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: Do you have it? How hard was it to be 91 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: a player and celebrate Christmas? Like to make was that 92 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: a hard balance? 93 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: You know it? It's a it's a two way balance. 94 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: So I could see saw. You know, if you're in 95 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: the playoffs, you're saying, okay, you know what, we got 96 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: a couple more games and then we were in the playoffs. 97 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: If you're not in the playoffs, it's like you have 98 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: two more games in the seasons over and then it 99 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: falls back on the management. Management is going to decide 100 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: who's going to be on this roster next year. The 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: roster's going to turn over. That's just the nature of 102 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: the business. But it won't be the same. The twenty 103 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 2: twenty sixty roster, you know, will be totally different. Maybe 104 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: the offensive line they've played pretty well so far except 105 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: last week, kind of wonder you know how they could 106 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: give up so many sacks, And a lot of it 107 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: wasn't the offensive line. A lot of it was you 108 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: had Brady Cook and they're a young quarterback and when 109 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: you see it, you got to throw it. Here in 110 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: the NFL, you can't see it, and then not throw 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: it and you hesitate that causes another sack. 112 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because I think the most interesting part 113 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: of the game on Sunday when they were at the 114 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: Saints was your partner in crime for what? 115 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: I think? 116 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: How long did you work with Bob? 117 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: Was Schusan for I worked with Bob for twenty two years? 118 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, for twenty two years. You two were 119 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: in the boots together. Yeah, and you know how close 120 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: he cut it, and he he has only this one 121 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: game because of COVID, and he was common from Oregon 122 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: because he called the college playoffs and had to get 123 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: to New Orleans. You've been in a situation. Do you 124 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: ever think Bob wasn't gonna show. 125 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: No, Like Bob said, that's his job, you know, and 126 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: you know, to be able to be that talented. First 127 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: of all, he's probably doing hockey games during the week. 128 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: Then he'll do a college bowl game, and then he 129 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: jumps in the police guard right away. He'll go right 130 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: to the airport, jump a flight, and then if he 131 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: has to drive to an airport, he drives to an airport. 132 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, you can always rely on Bob to be 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: there at the game. And I think that's what makes 134 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: working with Bob, what made it so special, is because 135 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: if he came in and he lost his luggage, it 136 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: was a five minute story. You know, he was just 137 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: like he was breaking down a play. I got out 138 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: of the car, I gave him my luggage, that gave 139 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: me the receipt. The next thing, you know, I saw 140 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: it on the belt. The next thing, you know, got 141 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: on the plane and I sat up a front, I 142 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: worked on my notes, I got out, and then all 143 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: of a sudden, where's my bag? They lost my bag? 144 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: How could they lose my bag? Bob? I was just 145 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: asking one simple question. Uh, but you're talk about somebody 146 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: that is very, very talented, and I love him to death. 147 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know him when we first started, 148 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: and you didn't know to become good friends and get 149 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: to know the family. And I got to see all 150 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: of his all of his kids grow up, and as 151 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: well as he got to see all my kids grow up. 152 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Well, so you guys didn't know each other before you 153 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: started doing radio together. 154 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: No matter of fact. When I auditioned, I auditioned with 155 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: somebody else, and I think, you know, Bob might have 156 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: auditioned with Greg Buttle. And then I auditioned with somebody else, 157 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: and somebody else did and then all of a sudden, 158 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: you know what, the guy making the decision, Bobby Prente, 159 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: had been there a long time and he knew what 160 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: he was looking for up in the radio booth, you know, 161 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: and he put us both together and it was like 162 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: we started to gel right away. You know, Bob, it 163 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: was a lifetime Jet fan. I mean growing up and 164 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: now to be in the booth. You know, he made 165 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: me feel at home and I didn't have to do 166 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: that much, you know, because Bob would. Bob would talk 167 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: and talk and talk, you know, not Bob. It was 168 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: great just listening to him. 169 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes I go, doesn't he tell the dress best? We know, 170 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: we got to get Bob on this podcast eventually. 171 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: You know what's funny today we had Joe Name It 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: came in the booth one day and sat right between 173 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: Bob and myself and Bob was doing the play by 174 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: play and he kept going on and on and on 175 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: and on, and then all of a sudden he looked 176 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: down and there's Joe Name is sitting between us, and 177 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: he goes, oh, Joe, how long have you been here? 178 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: And Joe Nama looks up and he goes, probably about 179 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: ten minutes. He was just he was He had tunnel 180 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: vision and he had total focus, and the voice infliction 181 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: that he has and the memory that he has, he 182 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: really doesn't need a spotter up there. You know. He 183 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: knows his charge. And that's that's a gift. When you 184 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: can do a hockey game, a college game, and the 185 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: Jets game all in one week and not get confused. 186 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: I give him credit. 187 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: Oh no kidding. Can we talk a little bit of 188 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm switching out giving credit? Can we give credit to 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: the special teams? 190 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: I'm good. 191 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised Isaiah Williams, but he's been able 192 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: to do the punter Austin McNamara. I mean, they are 193 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: a bright spot on this team. 194 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 2: They are. But do you see what opposing teams are 195 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: doing now on the kickoff? They're kicking a They're gonna 196 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: give it. They don't want, you know, Isaiah Williams to 197 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: touch the ball. And you talk about McNamara, he's changed 198 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: in the field position. I don't know how many punts 199 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: he's had inside the twenty yard line, maybe inside the 200 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: ten yard line. But I think that's a group that 201 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 2: the Jets should be very proud of. Nick Folk has 202 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: only missed that one field goal and that was what 203 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: was that like a fifty eight yarder and it would 204 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: just you know, drifted a little bit. But now here's 205 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: a guy who's been in the league I don't know how. 206 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Long, but so twenty one years old. 207 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know he's a guy that they should 208 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: really look at and say, hey, you know what we're 209 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: going to bring you back. He still has a strong leg, 210 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: and he still keeps himself in great shape. And you know, 211 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: maybe you go into the off season only worrying about 212 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: your offense and your defense, and you leave your special 213 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: team pretty much intact. 214 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: Just have two games left. What do you want to 215 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: see from this team the last two weeks. 216 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: I want to see him go out there and perform. 217 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to see like, let's talk about the defense. 218 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: You know, gap responsibility is so important. And also if 219 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: you're not playing a gap responsibility, you got to keep 220 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: those offensive linemen off the knees of your linebackers so 221 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: that they can move communicate in the back. Don't have 222 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: wide open receivers on the offensive side of the ball. 223 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: You know, run the ball a little bit more. You know, 224 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: Bryce Hall has had a great year for a team 225 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: that's only won three games. He needs to touch the 226 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: ball about twenty times running it. But you're not able 227 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: to do that unless you play complimentary football because the 228 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: defense is out there so long and the next thing 229 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: you know, now you find yourself in the hole. And 230 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: against New Orleans, you know you're going there at halftime. 231 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: It's a pretty solid game. Ninety six or six or 232 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 2: three one of the two and they really played hard 233 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: and then it just got away from them. So you 234 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: got two games, especially this one, for all the Jet 235 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: fans that are gonna come out, Give them something to 236 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: share about, give them something to say, Hey, you know what, 237 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: we took it on the chin this year. We knew 238 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: we were going to build. But you know what, we 239 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: feel pretty good going into the off season. We know 240 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: exactly the pieces that we need. You know where the 241 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: draft choices are. You know you have draft equity. You 242 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: know you can go out there in the free agent 243 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: market and try to bring some quality of players in there. 244 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: And of course Mouji and AG they have a plan 245 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: and plan better be executed pretty pretty good next year 246 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: because you know, first year, okay, second year, we're going 247 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: to tolerate a little bit more. Third year, be ready 248 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: to go out there and compete at a high level. 249 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: You talk about Breese Hall. They just named the Pro 250 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Pro Bowl. Jet's got two alternates and 251 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: bres Hall was the fourth alternate and Isaiah Williams was 252 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: the second return specialist. Second alternate for the return specialist, 253 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm a little I feel like Isaiah Williams needed to be. 254 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: He's a Pro Bowlers turner in the NFL. I got 255 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Juwan Briggs and I think that he's 256 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: done a great job. I like watching him. Such a 257 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: good kid, such a good guy. Do you like the 258 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: way he plays? Who was that Janay Jwan Briggs? The 259 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: big d tackle? 260 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you know for a big boy, he moves. 261 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: He moves loudly, pretty good. And he can get back 262 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: there to the quarterback. You know. That's another thing that 263 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: uh what they have six sacks in the last six games, 264 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: you know, and you have Will McDonald who has so 265 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 2: much talent, and Jermaine Johnson, you know he's coming back 266 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: off that Achilles. But when you have a game where 267 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: you have four sacks and then you have another game 268 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: where you have four sacks and then you drop all, 269 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: there's got to be a way that you can be 270 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: more consistent. 271 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: All right, Marty, our guest today is one of the 272 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: most respected voices in football, a longtime football assistant coach, 273 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: special teams mastermind, and a man whose impact on the 274 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: New York Jets still resonates today. You know what I'm 275 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: talking about. We're talking about the one the only Mike Westoff. 276 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say thank you. You were way over, but 277 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: thank you very much. 278 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: Well, you know, like before you got on, we were 279 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: talking about the Hall of Fame and all the coaches 280 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: that you know, they get elected, and I'm an advocate 281 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: of yours. I mean, what you did as a special 282 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: team coach and for so many years you should be 283 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame wearing that gold jacket. 284 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: I very much appreciate that. I'll tell you what. I've 285 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: been to the Hall of Fame several times. I mean 286 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: I went up there for uh, you know, for Dan 287 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: Marino of course back then, and for Zach Thomas, and 288 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: I was there with Drel Reeves, and I've been there 289 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: a number of times. And I have a theory on 290 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: that with people like myself, the fact that you know, 291 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: I came very close but then some issues kept me 292 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: from actually being able to do it, of being a 293 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: head coach, I think it. I don't think I quite 294 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: I don't believe I quite qualified. What I think they're 295 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: gonna do. See, They're going to put a trailer out 296 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: in back of the Hall of Fame, and I'm going 297 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: to go in that trailer and that's where I'll be. 298 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: I'll be in that part of it. So I can't 299 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: think that I appreciate your saying it, though, I think 300 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 3: it's pretty cool. Thank you very much. 301 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: Well, when you look at everything that you've been able 302 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: to accomplish in all the coaches you worked with with 303 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: Coach Shulan and Sean Payton, and of course all the 304 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: years with the Jets, and you started off I believe 305 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 2: in the offensive line. 306 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: Coach, yeah, and coach defense for a while. 307 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. But how did you go from making that transition 308 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: from being an offensive line coach to being a guru 309 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: and putting together a system that actually worked on the 310 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: special teams. 311 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I've been asked, When'm going 312 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: to get you a job on a ESPN. 313 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. 314 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: No, it really is. I'll tell you. I'll tell you how. 315 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: It was a little bit fortuitous party. I was with 316 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: the Baltimore Colts, and my whole story of getting there 317 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: was quite a real, quite a story. But anyway, I'm 318 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: with the Baltimore Colts in nineteen eighty two. Frank Cush 319 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: was the head coach and I was helping. I was coaching. 320 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: I had I had all these jobs, believe it or not. 321 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: I was the strength coach and then I hired someone, 322 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: but I was for two years. Okay. I was the 323 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: tight ends coach. I helped at the offense of line 324 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: and I actually helped with linebackers a little bit. And 325 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: I was Frank's assistant. 326 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 2: Okay. 327 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 3: We played two games in nineteen eighty two and they 328 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: went on strike. The NFL went on strike for short 329 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 3: You might have been involved in it, were you playing 330 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: back then when you were playing them. Okay, they had 331 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: a short strike and we were all out, you know, 332 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 3: for quite a while, and Frank was I was jogging 333 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: one day and he came by me out in the 334 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 3: hills of Maryland and he told me he was going 335 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: to fire our special teams coach, which probably should have done. 336 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: The guy was terrible, but anyway, I talked him out 337 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: of doing it. I said, don't he's trying to help 338 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: with the secondary. But Carson, you know, the famous defensive coordinator, 339 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: was our defensive coordinator, and it was not easy working 340 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: for Bud. And I said, just give him a little time. 341 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: I said, I'll take it over, Okay, Mike, I said, okay, 342 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: I'll take it. I don't know anything. I didn't have 343 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: a notebook. He had a notebook. It should have been 344 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 3: in crayons, the one that he had, crying out loud, 345 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: this was terrible. In order to write his you'd have 346 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 3: to wear your NAI's hat. You'd have to put that 347 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 3: out on the right. 348 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: But it was. 349 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: And so I said, okay. But what the advantage I 350 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 3: had was I had that that month or so period 351 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: of time when we were out on strike. We wasn't 352 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: we weren't the players were and anyway, so I just 353 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: delved into it. I wrote a notebook, I took my time, 354 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: and what I learned very rapidly was that at that time, 355 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: pretty much everybody was doing the same thing, which was 356 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: basically nothing. Okay, but they were just kind of, you know, 357 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 3: they had special teams, were kind of spread out among 358 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: the staff, and everybody had a little something and it 359 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: was all very generic. Well, I learned this pretty quickly 360 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: that with that part of the game there was really 361 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: very very little innovation, almost none. There was also, more importantly, 362 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: there was very very little and inconsistent regulation. Hardy, you 363 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 3: could try anything. You could do anything back then. So 364 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: I said, the heck with it. I did everything. I 365 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 3: just tried everything. Some of it became you know, they 366 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: changed the rules a little bit because some stuff that 367 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: I did, but I kind of liked it. I had 368 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: a ball and then all of a sudden, I also 369 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 3: realized that before every play, I had a time out. 370 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 3: If I was smart, I had a time out. So 371 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: I learned to draw everything, and I actually was pretty 372 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: good at it. I could I could draw very well, 373 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: and I would draw it, and I had every Instead 374 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 3: of going in with two kickoff returns, I could have 375 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 3: ten because I would get in the huddle, I'd say 376 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 3: all right, I'd hold that sheet up and I'm sorry. 377 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: Now remember Marty, remember now today that and I would 378 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: be able to And when you went out there, you 379 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: knew exactly what to do. So therefore, when I did 380 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: it all the time, we made very few mistakes. Now 381 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: we got beat, of course, you know, players get beat obviously, 382 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: but we we everybody knew what the heck to do. 383 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 3: So I became extremely innovative. But there was nothing holding 384 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: me back the rules. He could just do everything. So 385 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: then and I learned how to. I had to learn 386 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 3: how to do this at Miami because remember when I'm 387 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: there with you know, Marino and Duper and Clayton and 388 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: those guys. I mean, the whole the whole gist of 389 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: our offense, or excuse me, of our football team went 390 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: through our offense. So you know, coachm Shula was going 391 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 3: to make sure we had everybody dressed that he needed 392 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: for Marino. Well, you know, all of a sudden, I 393 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: have Joe Rose. You know, Joe does there there there? 394 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: You know, I have Joe Rose playing for me. You 395 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: know I'm come. I got guys in my development here 396 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: that could play better than Joe. You know, it just 397 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: was I mean as a special teams player, as a receiver, 398 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: he was good. He would catch that ball. So here 399 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: I am, and I got to figure out, well what 400 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: am I going to do with these guys. So all 401 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: of a sudden, I just started structuring everything. And I 402 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 3: would only ask certain guys to do certain things. You know, 403 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: I didn't say just run down and cover a kickoff. 404 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: I didn't cover this part of the kickoff. Okay, and 405 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: you cover this part, and I had to do it. Well, 406 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 3: we got good at it. We just got good at it. 407 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: And then I got some really good players that came along, 408 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: and especially when they all learned that they only maybe 409 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 3: had a small role. So you know, I mean, I'm 410 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: I'll give you two defensive guys. You know this very well. 411 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: I mean I had on my punt return team, you know, 412 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: to put a little pressure on the punter. Well, I 413 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: had Trace Armstrong and Jason Taylor. You know those guys, 414 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: and you know they can rush the passer. Well, you 415 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: know they can rush the punter. Well, then all of 416 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: a sudden, everybody had to punt to us in the 417 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: middle of the field. Oh, I have oj McDuffie, when 418 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: I got Zach Thomas in the middle. So I just 419 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: and they only had to play four five or six 420 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: sixth plays. That's it. But those four five or six 421 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: plays we led the league. We would lead the league. 422 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: And and when I went to the Jets, I did 423 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: the same kind of thing. And I'm very proud of 424 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: it because I actually had nine guys at the New 425 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: York Jets that led the National Football League in returns 426 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 3: and no one has ever done that and no one 427 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: will ever do it again. 428 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, because let's talk about wait, let's talk about the 429 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: New York Jets and the special team. Oh please, yeah, no, Joe, 430 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: and what they're doing. Say it again, I said let's 431 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: talk about the Jets and their special teams. What do 432 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: you think of what Chris Banjo has been doing. Oh, 433 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: it's my guy, he's doing. 434 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: He's my guy. I mean, I love him. You know. 435 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: He played for me in New Orleans. He played for 436 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: me when I'm proud of what we did there. I 437 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: didn't want to go there. I didn't know Sean Payton play. 438 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: The truth, I thought he was a pain in the neck. Uh, 439 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 3: but I knew he was a good coach, you know. 440 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a pain in the neck. So you know, 441 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 3: that's why we've got along so good. It wasn't so good, 442 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: but he played for and he was good. He's a 443 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 3: great kid, you know, smu graduate. You know, he's a 444 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 3: good man, good family. And he was a heck of 445 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: a player. Well, when I walked in there, they were 446 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: ranked thirty first. Well we finished first, and so I 447 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: had a ball and then and then when I went 448 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 3: to Denver, I took him with me. I hired him, 449 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 3: and then we were always in the top. We finished 450 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: the top four or five up those years when I 451 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: was there, we were right up there, pretty close. And 452 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 3: so he knows how to do the job. And there 453 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 3: was no question in my mind. I've had several people, 454 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 3: including Sean, made the mistake of saying, you know, this 455 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: guy's not you know, he hasn't really had enough experience 456 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: and he's not ready for it. And I said, you're 457 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: you're way off, You're way off. I said, I know 458 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: he can do it. But right when I was I 459 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: knew I had to retire. But not knowing that, San 460 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 3: Francisco called me and they had had come and they 461 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: talked talked about my coming out. There a guy on 462 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: their staff who said, look and if you could come, 463 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 3: I'll we'll talk to Da da Da Da. I said, no, 464 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 3: I can't do it. I don't want to do it. 465 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: I said, but I'll tell you what to do. I said, 466 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: you bring Chris Banjo in and interview him. I said, 467 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 3: and I'll come out and I'll give a hand in 468 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: training camp. Make sure he's on the right trail. I 469 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: guarant And they were going to do it. They were 470 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: gonna do it, and then if they kind of changed, 471 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But when Aaron Glenn got the 472 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 3: job with the Jets, he called me. I said, Aaron, 473 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: you gotta hire him right now, right now, and he'll 474 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: do it, and he's done a very cur I talk 475 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: to him every week. I love him. I mean, he's 476 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: a good man, he's smart. I mean I watched their 477 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: returns and a lot of the kickoff return with the 478 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: new rule. Marty and Jenney, you guys know this, it's 479 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: so different. It's just so different than what we did 480 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: when I was coaching. It's totally different. I personally don't 481 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 3: like it, but you know, I understand it because the 482 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: owners were adamant to eliminate the collision. It was over. 483 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: They had had it because there was you know, people 484 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: don't know this, but just there had been pending a 485 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: billion dollar lawsuit with concussion stuff. Depending they made sure 486 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 3: that they were going to straighten that out. Well, Mike 487 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 3: Westoff brand the kickoff returns didn't exactly straighten that out, 488 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: So you know, they were They listened to me, but 489 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: they voted me down. I went up to New York 490 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: and I talked to them. I gave them my presentation 491 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: and I showed them how what we were able to 492 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: do with the Jets, how we could contribute in such 493 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: a positive fashion, and I believed that it helped the 494 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: Jets to be in the playoffs almost every single year 495 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: I was there, and I know I wasn't responsible, but 496 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 3: I know I helped contribute, and that's what the role 497 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: is all about, and that's why I loved it. But 498 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: they made the change, and so I look at it 499 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 3: and when I watch it today, most of it looks 500 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: like recess, but not the Jets. You watch the Jets returns, 501 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: you take a look at it, you think they're going 502 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: to break out every single time. I mean, they look good, 503 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: they're well structured, they know what they're doing. They got 504 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 3: guys said, I mean they ran. You know, the other day, 505 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: I'm watching the game. I was driving me crazy yesterday 506 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: or two days ago. The game's real close, you know, 507 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 3: the game, the game's lesson than you know, not what 508 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 3: three points or four whatever it was. And the Jets 509 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: punt them down to the four yard line, four yard line, 510 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 3: they drive ninety six yards and turn the game around. 511 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: But then they kick off to the Jets and they 512 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: run it up to midfield, but nothing happens. But as 513 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: I tried to I talked to Chris that night and 514 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: I reminded him, I said, you know, in the National 515 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: Football League, everybody's a team, but each part of that 516 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 3: team has to contribute. You contribute as an as a 517 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 3: separate entity, and you take pride in that because if 518 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: you don't do it well, then you know, who do 519 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 3: you think is going to do it? You know somebody well, 520 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 3: but when everybody's doing it together, you were part of 521 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: some of that, Marty, you know, well, you know what 522 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: it's like. You get on a defense that can dominate, 523 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 3: and you know, you take such great pride in it, 524 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 3: and next thing you know, you're winning some games. Well 525 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: that's what Chris, that's what Chris Banjo has helped do 526 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 3: with the New York Jets. 527 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: Well, Mike, we appreciate your time. I appreciate your friendship 528 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: and your knowledge and your wisdom over the years, and 529 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: then truly believe that you have definitely made a contribution 530 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: to the NFL and the and the players that you 531 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: worked with. I'm sure, man for man, they're saying, hey, 532 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: Mike westalf made me a better person. 533 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: I hope. 534 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: So. 535 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 3: I had a lot of pride and a lot of fun. 536 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I really enjoyed it, you know, I wrote, 537 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 3: I wrote the book about it, and I'm proud. Matter 538 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 3: of fact, they're talking about doing a documentary on it. 539 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 3: I think that's pretty cool. So a lot of fun 540 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 3: for me, and I had great guys. I loved my 541 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: time in New York. Don't tell me that you can't 542 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 3: win in New York, because the New York Jets can win. 543 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: Last time I was there, we were in the playoffs 544 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 3: and I loved it. I had a ball. There's no 545 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: place in the country to win. If you can win in. 546 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: New York, we might have to bring you back next. 547 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 3: I come back. I come back and sit there for 548 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: a few minutes and talk and help a little bit. 549 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 3: That's enough for me. 550 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: Well, you have a merry Christmas, enjoy the family, and 551 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: we'll catch up next year. 552 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: That's great. 553 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: Going to be They're not going to be a trailer 554 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: at the Hall of Fame. You're going to be in 555 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame. Okay, my friend 556 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 3: Oh thank you so much.