WEBVTT - The Skin We Live In

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and my name is Julie Douglas.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about skin today, the skin that we

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<v Speaker 1>live in, the skin that covers our bodies, that is

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies. Yeah, you know, I've been wanting to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you this for a long time, and we've been podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>now for what like a year and a half or so,

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<v Speaker 1>so I feel like I could finally tell you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me, let me have your epiderms is showing. We

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about this. This is this is the

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<v Speaker 1>popular second grade, third grade joke. I guess you've got

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<v Speaker 1>or one person comes to this is epidermousis showing and

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds dirty or or oh what's happening something on

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<v Speaker 1>zip to it. It's just just my skin And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the punchline. Oh but everyone's skin is showing right right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing though, that that's that's the deal

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<v Speaker 1>about skin. It seems not too exciting, the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>gets overlooked a punchline, but it's amazing stuff. And and

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<v Speaker 1>as you all can tell, we are going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this today. Yeah, so people probably heard this fact before,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is in fact the largest organ human body.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever gone to a trivia night somewhere, they've

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<v Speaker 1>probably thrown that one out. It's a favorite on the

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<v Speaker 1>trivia circuit. If you were to stretch out the average

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<v Speaker 1>adult skin, it would cover twenty two square feet two

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<v Speaker 1>square meters and it's a little bigger than a twin bed,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would weigh about eight pounds. That sounds a

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<v Speaker 1>little horrific. It sounds a little like Buffalo Bill Signs

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lamps if you were to stretch it out.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, if if you were teaching my favorite at

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<v Speaker 1>least favorite skinners in fiction, like Buffalo Bill. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a fabulous or horrifying character in Larry McMurtry's Comanche

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<v Speaker 1>Moon who skins people. There is a terrifying skinning sequence

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<v Speaker 1>in Murakami's which one was not the wind Up Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the wind Up Bird Chronicle. There's a Mongolian

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<v Speaker 1>flair that plays a man alive, and of course fans

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<v Speaker 1>of the Game of Throne series know the Bolton Clan

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<v Speaker 1>rather well, it's a horrifying thing to anticipate. One more

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<v Speaker 1>Evil Willow from Buffy someone who who does she get

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<v Speaker 1>does somebody that someone who did something to her? Lady out?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yes, that sin. Yeah, but obviously this was

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<v Speaker 1>a very dramatic moment. So yeah, we're gonna talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about invistration. So much is just this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we're wearing on us. Just flavoring the horror

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<v Speaker 1>of being skinned kind of drives home just how important

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It is the surface level of our being.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the layer with which we sense the world

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<v Speaker 1>around us. It is the layer that carries their physical identity,

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<v Speaker 1>and we tend to have a really hard time living

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<v Speaker 1>without it. Oh yeah, we'd be using all over. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's pretty important. We clean it, we decorate it,

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<v Speaker 1>we stretch it and pull it and pierce it. And

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and seven, here's a nice start, eleven

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<v Speaker 1>point seven million Americans underwent some sort of cosmetic procedure botox,

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<v Speaker 1>filler surgery, so on. That is a four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven percent increase from a decade earlier. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty concerned about how we are portraying our skin to

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<v Speaker 1>the world. And that's not counting tattooing, right, No, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot associated with this. There's ego, there's beauty,

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<v Speaker 1>there's ritual. And here's another little fact I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>throw out. There are relative hairlessness is not something that

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<v Speaker 1>is an adaptation of us wearing clothes or us having

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<v Speaker 1>descended from dolphins. It's a it's more to do with

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<v Speaker 1>our abundance of sweat glands. So that's why we are

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<v Speaker 1>the hairless wonders that we are. Some are the hairless wonders, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>someone others Like I was watching an older film where

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<v Speaker 1>they had medallions the other day, and I was thinking, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>if the medallion comes back as a male fashion accessory,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be a number of guys out there

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<v Speaker 1>who are not who are going to lack the prominent

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<v Speaker 1>chest hair required to prominently display said medallion. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was wondering if there is a business opportunity there for

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<v Speaker 1>me in the marketing of I guess it would be

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<v Speaker 1>like a chess market or something, a chess market chess wig,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you don't want the medallion just said

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and I just I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>good day. I'm going to say this right now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Merkan hasn't come up a long time in conversation, so

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you just brought it up, I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. I'm sure there are other people out there

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<v Speaker 1>that you just got some marking points with there. We

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<v Speaker 1>are relatively careless, except for those who want to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the seventies and wear medallions and put

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<v Speaker 1>a roguain on their chest. But let's just have a

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<v Speaker 1>little overview of how this wonder skin works for us

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<v Speaker 1>well and why at imports. As we mentioned before, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>without it, we would be using Clive Barkery horror shows.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's telling because the skin is a protective layer.

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<v Speaker 1>You can think of it as the wall all right

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<v Speaker 1>inside all of our guts and our bones and all

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<v Speaker 1>this is very important. But you can think of it

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<v Speaker 1>as like a medieval city. And we recently discussed the

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<v Speaker 1>walls in an entire episode, and we discussed the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of those walls surrounding that city to protect it from

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<v Speaker 1>marauders and invading armies and barbarians. Well, same deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the skin. The skin is there, this is the wall

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<v Speaker 1>around the city, and the white blood cells are the

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<v Speaker 1>soldier is manning that wall to fight off the bacterial

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<v Speaker 1>invaders that would come in the first line of defense

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<v Speaker 1>on the epidermis right um. And the epidermis is also

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<v Speaker 1>helping to produce melanin, which we'll talk about in a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, So we have a second line of defense.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the dermist. Yes, and this is like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the meat of the sandwich I think of it is, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is where you find blood vessels, is

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<v Speaker 1>full of collagen, which gives it the firmness that we

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<v Speaker 1>encounter with skin. And it's also where you'll find sweat

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<v Speaker 1>glands and the hair follicles. And it contains all these

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<v Speaker 1>nerve endings as well. That allows to feel sensations such

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<v Speaker 1>as heat, cold, and pain. And as we've discussed in

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<v Speaker 1>the past and discussing pain, when our pain sensation is

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<v Speaker 1>working appropriately, it is an important warning sign that something

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong, that something has pierced the defenses, that something

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<v Speaker 1>may pierce the defenses, that something may damage the walls

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<v Speaker 1>of our being. It also tells our immune system like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, we've got stuff going on, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you get into the action here. Because we tried to

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<v Speaker 1>vanquish this bacteria with our white blood cells, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly you should get in on the game as well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And those blood vessels also have an important role to

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<v Speaker 1>play in regulating our body temperature. We touched on some

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<v Speaker 1>of this when we were discussing the possibility and impossibility

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<v Speaker 1>of gigantic creatures, and that was one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that came up and discussing like King Kong, is that

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<v Speaker 1>you have a body that big, you've got a cooler

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<v Speaker 1>body that big unregulated temperatures. So a blood vessels in

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<v Speaker 1>the skin contract and dilate depending on the outside temperature.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it's cold outside, blood vessels contract to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the blood near the surface of your skin from it

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<v Speaker 1>cooming too cool. And when it's hot outside, the same

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<v Speaker 1>vessels expand to encourage heat loss and you begin to sweat. Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what's keeping us all nice and comfortable. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have the hypodermis, which is just basically attaching

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<v Speaker 1>the skin to the bones and the muscles. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the innermost layer and it's just the ground level

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<v Speaker 1>of the skin. The tethering system. Yeah. Yeah, So our

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<v Speaker 1>skin has to do a couple of things. That has

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<v Speaker 1>to absorb enough ultra violet radiation from the sun to

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<v Speaker 1>manufacture vitamin D. We your bodies really need to keep

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<v Speaker 1>our bones strong and healthy. So I forgot the white

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<v Speaker 1>blood cells are the soldiers manning the walls and the

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<v Speaker 1>sea bone. They're like the outside force that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>patrols right outside the gate. Our pores pump out this

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<v Speaker 1>oily sea bone stuff, which is more difficult for bacteria

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<v Speaker 1>to penetrate. It's just another protective layer. It's a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little sheen on our skin. Yes, So it's doing all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things, and it is also using and harnessing

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<v Speaker 1>the power of the sun right to manufacture vitamin D.

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<v Speaker 1>Keeping us healthy, also keep our immune systems in check,

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<v Speaker 1>and it protects us from the damage of too much

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<v Speaker 1>ultra violet radiation from the sun because if you get

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<v Speaker 1>too much uvy radiation, that destroys something called full eight

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<v Speaker 1>and fullate is really important in terms of cell function

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<v Speaker 1>and cell reproduction. Fullate deficiency is actually linked to neural

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<v Speaker 1>tobe birth effects during pregnancy. That's why a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant women take supplements for it. But this is something

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting to you here, is this idea that our

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<v Speaker 1>skin isn't just a protective covering, making sure that our

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<v Speaker 1>organs don't fall out, but that there's other little nuanced

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<v Speaker 1>things going on at the level where melanin is produced. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Melanine is a pigment that's produced in specialized skin cells

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<v Speaker 1>called care at incites. And the more melanine you have,

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<v Speaker 1>the darker your skin happens to be. So hormones and

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<v Speaker 1>genetics player role in this, and it and determines how

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<v Speaker 1>much a pigment our bodies will produce. And it also

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<v Speaker 1>explains the wide variety of skin tones that we have,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you even have two siblings that share the same parents,

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<v Speaker 1>but they'll have slightly different skin tones going on or

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes not even so slight. And this is called the

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<v Speaker 1>biological adaptation. It's a trait that's evolved over time because

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<v Speaker 1>it increases the likelihood that that person will survive long

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<v Speaker 1>enough to produce. Professor and author Nina Jablonsky did a

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<v Speaker 1>great TED talk about the illusion of skin color, and

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<v Speaker 1>she talks about this fact that we are so connected

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<v Speaker 1>to our early ancestors. We are connected by our DNA,

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<v Speaker 1>by our mitochondrial DNA, and yet we have these differences

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<v Speaker 1>in our skin pigmentation. And a lot of this seems

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<v Speaker 1>like yes, this all makes sense, but when she talks

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<v Speaker 1>about it in this way, it's really fascinating. She talks

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<v Speaker 1>about it by saying, let's look at what the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>humans were dealing with in terms of their environment and

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<v Speaker 1>why they had such a concentration of melanin in their skins.

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<v Speaker 1>They had evolved in high UV environments in equatorial Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>And again it's important to drive home again, melanin helps

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<v Speaker 1>absorb the harmful for violet rays of the sun, so

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<v Speaker 1>light skinned people have a greater tendency to get sunburned

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<v Speaker 1>than dark skinned people, and that's where we also see

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<v Speaker 1>panning come into play, right, Right, so you think about

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<v Speaker 1>melanin as a natural sunscreen, right, Yeah. And so we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking back at this early environment on Earth and we

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<v Speaker 1>know that melanin has been in production for millions of years,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've got the earliest humans hanging out near the

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<v Speaker 1>equator and that is being bombarded the atmosphere by uv B,

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<v Speaker 1>UV A and UVC. Now UVC is pretty much sort

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<v Speaker 1>of being filtered out in the atmosphere, but UVB and

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<v Speaker 1>uv A are really killing it. And v B can

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<v Speaker 1>be really destructive. And yet it's also really important as

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about and producing are helping your skin to

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<v Speaker 1>produce vitamin deed, especially when you're dealing with early civilizations

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<v Speaker 1>where people are not working office jobs nine to five.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everyone is more or less out in the open.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're living in an area that's not, say,

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<v Speaker 1>heavily wooded, that doesn't benefit from a lot of cloud cover,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're going to be absorbing this stuff on a

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<v Speaker 1>verily regular basis well. And in this small concentration of

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<v Speaker 1>area right like between tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where early man is setting up shop because most

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<v Speaker 1>of the rest of the earth is way too cold,

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<v Speaker 1>it's way too harsh. So yeah, you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>be dealing with this environment in your skin is actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to naturally select to pigment itself, to to create

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<v Speaker 1>this sunscreen for itself. But Jabonski says, Okay, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>is that we then have migration, yes, and humans dispersed

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<v Speaker 1>not once but twice major moves outside of our equatorial

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<v Speaker 1>homeland from Africa and to other parts of the Old

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<v Speaker 1>World and then most recently in the New World. And

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<v Speaker 1>she says that when they were dispersed into these latitudes,

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<v Speaker 1>conditions were significantly colder, of course, but they were also

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<v Speaker 1>less intense with respect to the ultra violet regime, as

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<v Speaker 1>she calls it. So, over thousands of years, we see

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<v Speaker 1>individuals move from brighter, warmer climates to colder, darker climates,

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<v Speaker 1>and then over the course of say a single generation

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<v Speaker 1>or even less, you will have this new migration where

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<v Speaker 1>someone will move from these darker, colder regions right back

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<v Speaker 1>to where they started from, more or less in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of heat and light within just a few years. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you do have some of these

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<v Speaker 1>lands opening up as the climate warms, right, and it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes possible to live in the northern climbs, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have dark skinned people who begin to adapt, as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>within generations to this, and they begin producing less melanin

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<v Speaker 1>and become lighter skinned. And I just think it's fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>because this is the reason why we have this array

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<v Speaker 1>of colors. And she makes this incredible point to Blonsky.

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<v Speaker 1>She says that we don't need a proof of concept

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<v Speaker 1>to explain evolution that is overly complex. She says, just

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<v Speaker 1>look at your skin and you can see the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of natural selection at play. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating and

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<v Speaker 1>it really changes the way you look at different skin

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<v Speaker 1>pigments among different racial groups that just based on where

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<v Speaker 1>they are in the world. Well, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's given science and in particularly medicine a better understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of how our environment really affects our health. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you are someone who with light skin and you're living

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<v Speaker 1>near the equator, then you have the very real possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to be deficient and in full eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you needed to take supplements for that. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're dark skin and you're living in extreme northern climbs,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're going to take vitamin D because you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna produce nearly enough from a week UVB coming through.

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<v Speaker 1>And there really a lot of us anyway in the

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<v Speaker 1>modern world do not get in the vitamin D anyway

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<v Speaker 1>because we, like I said, wait, now, we're living these

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<v Speaker 1>lives where we're inside for nine to five in many cases,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not out in the open to receive that

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin D in the quantities that we have evolved. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>In sunscreen, actually, I know that there have been some

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<v Speaker 1>studies about the deltarious effects of sunscreen on us in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of our immune systems and vitamin D deficiencies and

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<v Speaker 1>even some of the things that have been cropping up,

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<v Speaker 1>just things like allergies and kids, things that didn't used

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<v Speaker 1>to exist previous to like the nineteen seventies. Really because

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<v Speaker 1>we are slathing ourselves in sunscreen, which you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do it right, But again, if you were not really

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<v Speaker 1>getting that exposure you need, then you can't synthesize vitamin

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<v Speaker 1>D for yourself. Yeah, it's like you're sort of damned

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<v Speaker 1>if you did, damned if you don't. Right, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I go out without sunscreen, I get burned. If

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<v Speaker 1>I go out with sunscreen, then I need to take

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin D. So it's true. It's true. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's time to bring the sexy on in in

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<v Speaker 1>the form of the future of skin. But we've or

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<v Speaker 1>we do that, yes quick, all right, we're back. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've discussed skin, how it works, what it does, what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of goes wrong with it as we drag it

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<v Speaker 1>into the modern age with us. But now we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>drag it even farther into the future with us. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take skin with us and try to imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>our skin is going to be like in the years

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<v Speaker 1>to come, all right, but this is really some very

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff that's on the horizon here. And before we

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<v Speaker 1>go into that, I did want to mention that there

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<v Speaker 1>is something that sounds futuristic that's already in playing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is called spray on skin, and this is for burn victims.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've mentioned that because we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. And you may say, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to come to fruition, but things like

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<v Speaker 1>spray on skin, or the skin gun as it's called,

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<v Speaker 1>also seemed like it might never come to fruition, and

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly did. So what do we get here? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>on the and just on the subject of skin growing

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<v Speaker 1>and skin spraying, there's an interesting project from the front

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<v Speaker 1>Hopper Institute of Interface Engineering and Biotechnology. They have set

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<v Speaker 1>up a new skin factory that can supposedly produce five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand penny sized discs of whitish translucent skin every month,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can also do varying darker shades as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Robots control the skin growing process, monitoring the cell broth

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<v Speaker 1>and carefully slicing swatches to prevent infection. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing we can and will use in

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<v Speaker 1>skin grass. You know, you have situations where someone has

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<v Speaker 1>lost skin, particularly to burns, and what do you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do. You have to get skin from elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the body and move it forward. That's why my friend Oz,

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<v Speaker 1>who is shot with a flaming arrow when he was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, because yeah, as kids do, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>has butt skin on his shoulder he's very proud of Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean because a he has it, has a story

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<v Speaker 1>about being shot with a flaming arrow, which is which

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty great story to have. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>also has that you can talk about how it's his

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<v Speaker 1>butt skin. But in other cases, skin is grafted from cadavers.

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<v Speaker 1>Even so, in the best of circumstances that we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a complex procedure that would be better suited if

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<v Speaker 1>we just had some newly fresh grown custom skin on

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<v Speaker 1>right hand, and that one too, if I remember correctly,

0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.320
<v Speaker 1>they can actually add the pigment and they can change

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<v Speaker 1>the different colors of skin. There's also something using spider silk. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists in Germany are using spider silk as a biocompatible,

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<v Speaker 1>biodegradable adhesive matrix for skin repairfold. Yeah, we talked about scaffolding.

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<v Speaker 1>When we talked about growing organs, you really need some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of structure that's underlying all this. So they're using

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<v Speaker 1>dragline silk from golden orb web spiders, and they wove

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<v Speaker 1>matrices on steel frames and seated them with fibroblasts which

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<v Speaker 1>provided the structural background for connective tissue. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>added skin cell progenitors and we're able to cultivate synthetic skin. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the sort of broth that you were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were able to create dermis and epidermis, which

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing. Now, the drawback on that is it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be really hard to harvest a lot of spider fibers, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea is to take these spider webs and

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<v Speaker 1>then just sort of synthesize them and create, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something similar to to this natural structure. Didn't we engineer

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<v Speaker 1>a goat that milks spiderweb or did I dream that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say it sounds a little surreal, a little dreamlight.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe this was a project that some scientists were

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<v Speaker 1>working and I have to fact check that it's projects

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<v Speaker 1>like that that it could also be. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like we want spider webbing to serve as a scaffolding

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<v Speaker 1>for these skin graphs. But if we could tinker with

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<v Speaker 1>another animal to produce the spider like a goat produces

0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.400
<v Speaker 1>spider web that has then used to grow human skin.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's kind of beautiful cycle of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt our producer disagreed with that that's possible. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that if that's in your head, that that

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<v Speaker 1>is real, then there is somewhere. But then there are

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<v Speaker 1>also a number of more techie skin things that are

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<v Speaker 1>out there developing. For instance, MT engineers have built nanoparticle

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<v Speaker 1>tattoos and these are designed to help diabetics continuously monitor

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<v Speaker 1>glucose levels, and this flows in with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>technology we were discussing in our contact lenses of the

0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.199
<v Speaker 1>gods article. The idea that you would have these a

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<v Speaker 1>little receptors and nanotechnology in the lens that could interact

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<v Speaker 1>with the fluids on the surface of your eye and

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<v Speaker 1>then could signal you if something was up. Similar situation

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<v Speaker 1>with the tattoos. You could have a tattoo in place,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could have fluorescent dyes and sensor molecules that

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<v Speaker 1>bind certain chemicals, and then you could flash the multiviolent

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<v Speaker 1>light on it, and you could attact what is actually

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<v Speaker 1>going on inside you. If you're having a right you

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<v Speaker 1>can have an iPhone app that would send that information

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<v Speaker 1>to a computer to be analyzed. Yeah. I know. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be used to test for things like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to help diabetics monitor GOOGLESE levels and things of that nature. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also something that's really cool and it is a

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<v Speaker 1>peelable electronic circuit skin put. No, no, no, not skin put.

0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.400
<v Speaker 1>That's a different one. I'm jumping ahead. The skin puts

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<v Speaker 1>really cool too, though, But that can be rubbed onto

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<v Speaker 1>the skin just like a temporary tattoo, and the small

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<v Speaker 1>circuits can bend and stretch with the skin, and the

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<v Speaker 1>semiconductor circuits could be used to monitor muscle activity, hard activity,

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<v Speaker 1>or even brain waves. And you get it off just

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<v Speaker 1>as you would temporary tattoo. You just kind of rub

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<v Speaker 1>it off a little soap and water. Yeah, so almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a patch, except even less intrusive. Yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned skin put that I am the most excited about. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the project created at Carnegie mill And University and

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft Research. And it turns your arm or or I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, your back, I mean, but really anythings on

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<v Speaker 1>the table I guess into a touch screen. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of your hand, you have a small arm

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<v Speaker 1>band and a user would project an information display onto

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<v Speaker 1>the skin, so it would be you know, projection of

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<v Speaker 1>say a keyboard or some sort of input display, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would press the skin like you would an iPhone

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<v Speaker 1>or any other touch screen. And the arm band contains

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<v Speaker 1>an acoustic sensor that uses the tissue density and other

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<v Speaker 1>biometric data to determine where you've tapped, So it's projecting

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<v Speaker 1>this little keyboard onto your hand, and then the band

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<v Speaker 1>would also detect where you're touching on that keyboard where

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<v Speaker 1>you're on yourself. So if you think bluetooth, if you

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<v Speaker 1>think that made everybody look insane, just wait until we

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<v Speaker 1>get this little keyboards on our skin and we all

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.639
<v Speaker 1>are poking ourselves. You know that the early adopters, at

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<v Speaker 1>least I like the idea of that using other people's

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<v Speaker 1>backs for it, you know, because it kind of plays

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<v Speaker 1>with the whole deal You've seen in TV shows where

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<v Speaker 1>somebody needs to sign a paper and they would have

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<v Speaker 1>the person in front of them lean over so they

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<v Speaker 1>could sign on their back. Well, and I can see

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.359
<v Speaker 1>that like a cheesy like sitcom plot point to take

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<v Speaker 1>your shirt off so I can use your back is

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know what I'm saying. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know it went somewhere. I didn't mean for it to go,

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<v Speaker 1>but technology always does. It does exactly. So what about

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<v Speaker 1>our robot friends like Arnie? What what sort of skin

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<v Speaker 1>tents can we create for them? Oh? Yeah, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some products that are looking into the possibility of robot skin,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds very terminator ask at first. As a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>I always found that fascinating how the Terminator he has

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<v Speaker 1>his end of skeleton that is robotic, and then he's

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<v Speaker 1>covered in human skin, this living human tissue because he's

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<v Speaker 1>disguising and because whatever they're weirdo time travel system you

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<v Speaker 1>can only send a living thing back in time or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But I always found it interesting to think, well, how

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<v Speaker 1>does that skin behave, how is it working? How is

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<v Speaker 1>it jiving with that robot underneath it. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>big things would be that the skin is this layer

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<v Speaker 1>of sense. It allows us to touch things and feel

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<v Speaker 1>the environment around us. So while we're not necessarily looking

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<v Speaker 1>to grow Arnold Schwarzenegger's skin around all of our robots.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of creating a skin like barrier, the skin

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<v Speaker 1>like layer that is used to sense the world, that

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<v Speaker 1>is very much on robotist minds. Okay, well, let me

0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.360
<v Speaker 1>describe something to you that is extremely rudimentary version of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I even sort of see it as like a

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<v Speaker 1>metal robot, like squirted with do Okay. Basically, a team

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<v Speaker 1>of researchers at pit University may predictions regarding the behavior

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<v Speaker 1>of Belosov zabatanski z gel. And that's a material that

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<v Speaker 1>was first fabricated in the late nineties and is shown

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<v Speaker 1>to pulsate in the absence of any external stimmy lie.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, under certain conditions, the gel can sit in

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<v Speaker 1>a petri dish and resembles a beating heart. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little creepy element. And that's without scimuli. Yes, okay,

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:17.320
<v Speaker 1>so it needs stimuli to stop the pain. This sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a great I was about to say, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like you're going there with a plotline. So Annabellas, she's

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<v Speaker 1>the Distinguished Professor of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering and Pits

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<v Speaker 1>Swanson School of Engineering, says, think of it like human skin,

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<v Speaker 1>which can provide signals to the brain that something on

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.280
<v Speaker 1>the body is deformed or hurt. The gel has numerous

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 1>far reaching applications, such as artificial skin that could be sensory,

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 1>which she says is the holy grail in robotics. You

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:49.399
<v Speaker 1>throw in haptic technology for virtual reality environments and the

0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.200
<v Speaker 1>applications there become obvious as well. We're sending, say a

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<v Speaker 1>robotic pro about to another world, and we want to

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<v Speaker 1>sense that world as we would sense it there physically.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't makes sense to have that kind of technology involved

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<v Speaker 1>with the robot that we sent. Well, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about that too in the context of the virtual sex

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<v Speaker 1>episode that we did, especially with another little technology here

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<v Speaker 1>or big technology is stretchable electronics. Yeah, and this electronic

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<v Speaker 1>skin could bring touch sensitivity to machine. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a more well, I think if it is a more

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated version. So the gentlest pressure that human skin can

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<v Speaker 1>detect is about one kilopascal, but a stretchable skin can

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<v Speaker 1>actually detect pressures that are one thousand times more gentle,

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<v Speaker 1>like a ghost sneezing on you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's based on organic transistors. It's made of electric elect

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<v Speaker 1>elastic sorry material sandwich between two electrodes, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>highly sensitive surface that could help robots pick up delicate

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<v Speaker 1>objects without breaking them. When delicate objects, I think means

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<v Speaker 1>us right in the future. We've talked about that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Give prosthetics a sense of touch, which would be super cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and give surgeons find or control over tools for minimally

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<v Speaker 1>invasive surgery. Well, there you have it. The future of

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<v Speaker 1>skin is bright, full of that grown custom skin pulsating

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<v Speaker 1>pulsating gel that we're spraying onto our robots. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an amazing time to live in. HM. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>check in with our skinless robots, shall we. Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get some listener mail. All right, here's one we

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<v Speaker 1>received from our listeners. Scott. Scott writes in and says, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I stumbled across your podcast a few weeks ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've been greedily gobbling up episodes ever since. I just

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<v Speaker 1>listened to the Lucid Dreaming episode and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>share some of my experiences with lucid dreaming. When I

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<v Speaker 1>first started working on the night shift as an r ND,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have extremely vivid lucid dreams almost every time

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<v Speaker 1>I slept. I really enjoyed my experiences while lucid dreaming,

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<v Speaker 1>and although I could never exercise complete control over the

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<v Speaker 1>dream environment, I could usually do things like fly, teleport

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<v Speaker 1>through walls, and breathe underwater. Somewhat less enjoyable were the

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of false awakenings that I begin to have after

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<v Speaker 1>especially stressful days. I would quote unquote way Cup lying

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<v Speaker 1>in my bed, and then I would slowly realize that

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<v Speaker 1>I was still dreaming. I did some research, and I

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<v Speaker 1>found some reality checks that came in Handing jumping or

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<v Speaker 1>skipping seemed to work especially well for me. If I

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<v Speaker 1>was dreaming, I would leap in slow motion. If I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't dreaming, I would just feel a little silly. The

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<v Speaker 1>false awakening got a little unnerving when I begin having

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<v Speaker 1>as many as eight of them in a row. However,

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<v Speaker 1>false awakenings did help me learn how to recognize dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I have lucid dreams about three times a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the great podcast, Keep up the good work.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he also adds, Julie, have you noticed any

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<v Speaker 1>limits on your control of your lucid dreams? For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>when I fly in my dreams, I find that I

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<v Speaker 1>usually can't fly any higher than the tree tops. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you fly? Oh I can? I can fly pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of I thought it was so interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>he brought that up because it it's variable, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>so mental because I can get up really really really

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<v Speaker 1>high and see sort of like what you would think

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<v Speaker 1>of as like not the view of a state, that

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<v Speaker 1>particular geographical area. But it takes so much effort to

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<v Speaker 1>try to keep going higher and higher because I find

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<v Speaker 1>that I keep dropping in my dreams, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>have to get myself back up again. So it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of depends on what I'm doing. If I'm just flying

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<v Speaker 1>down the sidewalk looking in shop windows and I need

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<v Speaker 1>to get so high. On a related note to the dreaming,

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<v Speaker 1>last night was the first night that I tried out

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<v Speaker 1>this app on my iPhone called dream On like dream

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<v Speaker 1>cooling on. The way it supposedly works is that you

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<v Speaker 1>turn it on when you go to bed, you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>plugged into the wall, and you have it laying face

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<v Speaker 1>down on the bed next to you, like at the

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<v Speaker 1>corner of the bed, and then it will detect your

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<v Speaker 1>motions like you can supposed to tell how much you're

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<v Speaker 1>moving around, and then it can figure out when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in deep sleep based on your lack of motion, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can have it play a preset sound to let

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<v Speaker 1>you know that this is the time when you should

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<v Speaker 1>be dreaming. If not alert you into a lucid state,

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<v Speaker 1>then at least color your dreams with some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a soundscape that sounds like the beginnings of what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the Aldge study right where they were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about trying to influence your dreams and give you a

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<v Speaker 1>nice dream. Yeah, and the the app had some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>dream journal apparatus as well, because the people who made

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<v Speaker 1>it want to sort of keep track on how people

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<v Speaker 1>are using it and what effect is having. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not have any good experiences with it last night because

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<v Speaker 1>the cat was very vocal about becoming an indoor cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you dream of a goat producing spider whip milk? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I dreamed a vote cat that was shut up for

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<v Speaker 1>an hour straight so I could sleep. That then turned

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<v Speaker 1>into a goat. Yeah, But I'm gonna keep trying it

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<v Speaker 1>out and see if it does anything for me. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a free download if anyone else wants to try it.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some like in app purchases if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get like different sounds, but you can use it

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<v Speaker 1>as is, and you can incorporate your own music tracks

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<v Speaker 1>off your phone without any kind of interventional price. So

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone else wants to try it out, let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to hear what your experiences are with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully I'll have some sort of noteworthy dreaming experience

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<v Speaker 1>within myself. I like this your collecting data, now, aren't you.

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