1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: At this point, I would give up on the keeping 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: my pharma sanctuary. If you're only hunting one or two 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: bucks that you know are there and he might be dead, 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: it's worth the intrusion on the property to go in 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: search those areas out and see if he is dead. 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: There's not a lot that you can do, to be honest. 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: Welcome to Back forty. 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 4: I'm Jake Hoefer, and we are diving into a topic 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 4: here that hopefully isn't top of mind for you right now. 10 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 4: But unfortunately, when we sketched out these questions, I had 11 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 4: a bad feeling that somewhere across the Midwest there would 12 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 4: be an EHD outbreak. And so if you're listening to 13 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 4: this from southern Ohio, this is hopefully some insight that's 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 4: going to help you develop a plan for this fault, 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 4: because unfortunately, EHD is a very real thing for a 16 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 4: lot of places throughout the country, and most of the 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 4: guests here today has had some experience with it, some 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 4: a lot more than others, and a lot less for 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 4: the for the fortunate guests here. 20 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: But before we get into I. 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 4: Want to say the Back forty podcast is brought to 22 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 4: you by land dot Com, the leading online real estate 23 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 4: marketplace to find your pert rural, recreational, agricultural, or hunting 24 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 4: properties here in the United States. Before we get into 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 4: the episode two, I want to give a real quick 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 4: cliff notes version of what EHD is in case you're 27 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 4: not familiar or maybe you're confused with what EHD is 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 4: versus CWD. I am not a biologist, so I'm just 29 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 4: going to give you an armchair quick rundown of EHD. Essentially, 30 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 4: it is a midge that lives in the cracks of 31 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: mud where there's a lot of changes in moisture or 32 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 4: if it's very dry mud bottom creeks are typically bad 33 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 4: ponds or an area where it could facilitate a lot 34 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: of the midge flies. And it's a viral infection that 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: when a deer gets bit by it, it essentially causes 36 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 4: a fever and the mortality rate can be very high. 37 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 4: Now in the South, this seems like there has been 38 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 4: more resistance of EHD built up, and so there's different 39 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 4: strains that can impact deer more severely. 40 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: And that's the really quick version of it. 41 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: If you want to learn more about it, I'm sure 42 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: there's more episodes about EHD and more depth or you 43 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: can google it, but I just wanted to make sure 44 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 4: that there's a clear distinct between CWD and EHD, because 45 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people they get them confused. 46 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: So EHD is a mid fly that bites of deers, 47 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 4: knows inside their nostril and causes a viral infection and 48 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: ultimately can can kill them all. 49 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: So you've heard of rumors of EHD. What do you 50 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: do now? Is there anything that you can do? Is 51 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: there any silver linings? 52 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: And to kick things off, we're gonna start with Steve Hanson, 53 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 4: who's in southern Iowa and unfortunately has experienced EHD over 54 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: the years, and here is his prescription to move forward 55 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: if you're experiencing this. Man, I've been looking forward to 56 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: season all year, and now it's been dry and I'm 57 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 4: hearing murmurs of EHD. I go out, My deer disappeared 58 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 4: and I want to say, my dear, but the bucks 59 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 4: that were in the area have disappeared. My area go 60 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: hammered by EHD. 61 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Now what, well, you might almost in that scenario, you 62 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: might you know, you may have to start from scratch, 63 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: and I'd probably move the cameras on the property that 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: was hit for EHD because there's no guarantee. 65 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 5: That they are dead. So what I would do is, at. 66 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: This point, I would give up on the keeping my 67 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: pharm a sanctuary, and I would spend a good amount 68 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: of time walking creeks, pond banks and truly try to 69 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: find the If you're only hunting one or two bucks 70 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: that you know are there and he might be dead, 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: it's worth the intrusion on the property to go in 72 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: search those areas out and see if he is dead. 73 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: Even if you need to contact a neighbor. And this 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: is where you know, having a good relationship with neighbors, 75 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: say hey, man, I'm not wanting to hunt or anything. 76 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: I smelled some dead deer in the creek. I can't 77 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: find him. Is it all right if I walk around 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: your pond? 79 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: Is it you know? 80 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to decide if these deer are still 81 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: alive and get an idea of overall hurt health. Did 82 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: we lose twenty deer, did we lose two deer? Is 83 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: it a total wipeout? 84 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 5: You know? 85 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: So I would invest some time and energy doing that, 86 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: but I also would be starting look at what my 87 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: other options are for other places to hunt, because EHD 88 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: is very localized, like we've had terrible wipeouts on one 89 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: farm and five miles away nothing. So you know, if 90 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: you have other properties, at that point, I'd probably start looking, Hey, 91 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: what other options do I have? And then I always 92 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: whenever the HD topic comes up, I have to bring 93 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: this up because I've seen this happen so many times 94 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: and it's very detrimental to you know, the herd health. 95 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people unfortunately, reset their expectations. 96 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, Oh, we had this one, 97 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, one sixty that was six year old, but 98 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: he died of EHD. We had this other one seventy 99 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: that was probably five, but he's a shooter. But now 100 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: we're hunting these three and four year old one forties 101 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: because it's all we got left. Don't do that, you know, 102 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: that's that means your hunting's. 103 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 5: Going to suck virtually forever. 104 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: You're you're going to ruin it. You're in a new TB. 105 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: Yes, and exactly, you are going to perpetuate the cycle 106 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: of poor age structure. If you do that, Concentrate on 107 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: some cull bucks, do whatever you have to do on 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: other place, but try to leave you know, the hurt 109 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: is in its most vulnerable then, and it needs the 110 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: most help. 111 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: Next up we have Bill Winky. 112 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: Bill has unfortunately a lot of experience as well with EHD. 113 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 4: He has said in the past that his farm was 114 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: likely one of the best in the entire country. I 115 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: think it was twenty twelve until EHD came through and 116 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: really devastated the farm. He's got firsthand experience on what 117 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: this means if you are finding yourself in the same 118 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: exact situation. Here's Bill winking, I've been hearing rumors, I'm 119 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: smelling something kind of weird. 120 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 3: My whole area, my whole farm just got hammered by EHD. 121 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: What do I do now? 122 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: Whom? 123 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, the now, I've certainly had that happen where I've lost, 124 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 6: you know, a lot of my bucks in one year. 125 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 6: Probably has happened more than once. In my experience down 126 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 6: there on that southern Iowa farm, it seemed like about 127 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 6: every seven years we get it, you know, fairly significantly, 128 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 6: you know, and some years it'll be twenty percent, some 129 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 6: years it'd be you know, ten percent, some years it'd 130 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 6: be seventy percent. You just get you're just gonna get 131 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 6: it every every so often. So I've been through this cycle. 132 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 6: I think all you can do. I wouldn't go out 133 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 6: looking for them. If you're setting your cameras or you're 134 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 6: working the last bit of your food plot, you know, 135 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 6: preparation on the property, or mow and ditch or mow 136 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 6: and access routes or something like that, you're gonna you're 137 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 6: gonna smell some dead deer. It's worth probably then just 138 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 6: checking them out quick, you know, because you can tell 139 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 6: which way the wind is blow it and you're gonna 140 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 6: find them pretty fast. But I wouldn't scout the whole farm. 141 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 6: You see, if I can find that buck that I 142 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 6: was not laying dead, I'd let the cameras tell me that, 143 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 6: because you just run the risk of bumping too many deer. 144 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 6: You know, if you do a wholesale scouting missions to 145 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 6: see what's dead, uh, you don't have a whole lot 146 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 6: of options. And again we talked about it earlier in 147 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 6: this series about you know, do the Great hunters killed 148 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 6: deer every year? The great hunters have you plan B, C, D, 149 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 6: et cetera. So if you've got you know, a plan C, 150 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 6: now might be the time to pull it out. Let's 151 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 6: say maybe a hunt two or three states, and the 152 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 6: properties that you've got in some of these other areas 153 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 6: they weren't affected by the EHD. It might it might be, 154 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 6: you know, you run your cameras in the area where 155 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 6: you know that you lost some deer just to find 156 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 6: out what's left. But you might want to shift all 157 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 6: your thoughts and all your efforts to some of those 158 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 6: other areas because it really is well, it's simple now. 159 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 6: I mean, you're not going to kill him if he's 160 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 6: not there. So no, you don't want to be hunting 161 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 6: a deer that's already dead. 162 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 7: If real quick on when your farm would get hit 163 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 7: every seven years roughly, there's some people that say, you know, 164 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 7: the survivors, you know, based off of all the social 165 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 7: pressure of other deer dying that you know, the year 166 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 7: after for a buck that did survive, maybe a four 167 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 7: year old buck. Uh, did you see that farm bounce 168 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 7: back or specific bucks that survive really explode? 169 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: Is there any silver. 170 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 7: Lining to when your farm got hit by the EHD 171 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 7: that you could glean? 172 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 5: Now, there's not a there's not a. 173 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 6: Silver lining the EHD if you were managing the property. Well, 174 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 6: the only silver lining might be if everything got out 175 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 6: of control, and you know your your browse was max 176 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 6: style you had. You know, deer were eating you out 177 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 6: of house and home, brows lines everywhere, no, you know, 178 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 6: high quality forage left in the woods. You know, it's 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 6: not a bad thing for you know, to hit the 180 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 6: reset button. But if you were doing a pretty good 181 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 6: job of managing that property, all you're doing is getting 182 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 6: set back. There's no positive becomes out of it. We 183 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 6: were That farm that I own in twenty eleven was awesome. 184 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 6: I can't even imagine better, honey. I've never heard people 185 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 6: talk about better honey, other than maybe inside of a 186 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 6: high fence, you know. But there was so many big 187 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 6: deer there. And then during September August September in twenty twelve, 188 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 6: we lost the most of our bucks. Well there you go. 189 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 6: I mean the place was teed up and it was 190 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 6: awesome and then it was bad. Never you know, there's 191 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 6: there's no silver lining there. That was just that was 192 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 6: just you know what what just happened here? And you 193 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 6: know they'll figure out someday how to manage that. But 194 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 6: that's I remember doctor James Kroll one time, you know, seminar, 195 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 6: he said, everybody worries about CWD and rightfully so you said, 196 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 6: but EHD wipes out way many times more deer throughout 197 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 6: the Midwest than CWD does. It's just that we don't 198 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 6: quite understand CWD that well, so we panic a little 199 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 6: bit more over it and don't really know the you know, 200 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 6: the dynamics of it or as EHD. We understand it, 201 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 6: but it doesn't change the fact that you go from 202 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 6: from ten to one as far as on a scale 203 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 6: of awesome in one year. 204 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 3: That's tough. Next up, we have Jeff Sturgis. Jeff is 205 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: from Michigan. 206 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: His hunted in Wisconsin and Minnesota primarily, and typically they 207 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: don't have as much EHD or as many issues with 208 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: this issue. But if he did face this, this is 209 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 4: exactly what he would do. And I think you're going 210 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: to pick up on a trend throughout this episode of 211 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: what you can do, what you can't do, and maybe 212 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: cut your losses. So here's Jeff Sturgis after he just 213 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 4: learned a bunch of deer gone missing due to VHD. 214 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 8: We've been just where I'm at in southeast Minnesota where 215 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 8: just out of the historically we're just out of the 216 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 8: EHD range. It happened like three miles south of US. 217 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 8: So really, even in where I hunted in Wisconsin, it 218 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 8: was a mile self US. Wisconsin was a mile away 219 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 8: knocking on the door. I've been on properties where I've 220 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 8: seen seven dead bucks in velvet on a pond like 221 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 8: a skating pond here. 222 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 5: In February at walking. They're under the ice. That looks creepy. 223 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 8: Heard stories of you know, we've all heard stories dozens 224 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 8: of deer dead in the swamp out back. 225 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: Someone put in air conditioning. 226 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 8: I know one of my clients because they couldn't leave 227 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 8: their windows open because it kept blowing in during a 228 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 8: warm September. All these deer dead out of the swamp. 229 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 8: But anyways, it is a real problem. One of the 230 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 8: things that just before we start, I love water holes. 231 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 8: The reason, one of the reasons I love tank water 232 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 8: holes is because there's no mud surrounding a natural water hole. 233 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 5: Then where the EHD propagates and lives. 234 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 8: They live in that dry, cracking MUDs when you get 235 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 8: drought and that water keeps your seating in a water 236 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 8: hole that you've planned for deer and wildlife. All that 237 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 8: cracking mud around there, that's where that EHD image lives, 238 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 8: and that's where they propagate. So to me, we had 239 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 8: two water holes in the property that were nice, pretty 240 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 8: earth berms, not to mention they were in terrible locations. 241 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 8: Dount we knock those berms out, got rid of them, 242 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 8: and so we drained the water out, got rid of them. 243 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 8: They're just little room sized water holes because to me, 244 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 8: they're I don't like to use COVID terms, but they're 245 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 8: HD super spreaders. 246 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 5: I mean, they invite every deer in the. 247 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 8: Neighborhood into those water holes only be exposed to HD. 248 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 8: So I don't want those on my property, and so 249 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 8: that's why we use tanks. I'm not trying to sell 250 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 8: any tanks. We've tried. It's too hard. We didn't even 251 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 8: come out with a product just because rubber Maid does 252 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 8: it kind of cheap and they're two hundred and seventy 253 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 8: five bucks for three hundred gallon tank and they're twenty 254 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 8: five inches deep, sixty three by sixty nine inches, perfect size, 255 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty galanon rubber Maid is a nice 256 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 8: one two one hundred and ten galon. 257 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 5: Off brand one from TSC is awesome. One to two 258 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 5: hundred hundred bucks. 259 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 8: For those, but I love those perfect depth to size ratio, 260 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 8: not a lot of evaporation. 261 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 5: So that's one way. 262 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 8: The second way to me, there's five percent of the 263 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 8: neighborhood that attracts mature bucks during the daylight, only five percent, 264 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 8: because that's that perfect combination of great fall food. 265 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 5: It could be your finding this. 266 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 8: On public land and public land only thing is food 267 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 8: sources are always changing, so that those bucks aren't going 268 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 8: to be there from October to January where they might 269 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 8: be on your private land if you make the right 270 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 8: conditions and you keep food sources and good cover. Could 271 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 8: be marginal, food sources marginal, but if they're not under 272 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 8: pressured and they're consistent all year, then that's where the 273 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 8: mature bucks are going to be. How many times have 274 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 8: you seen mature bucks in a state park that's thirty 275 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 8: acres or neighborhood set aside that's ten acres. 276 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 5: They're not there because of food plots, feeding. 277 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 8: Anything, anybody's made any water holes, crated betting areas, they 278 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 8: haven't done anything to the land there, just because it's 279 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 8: marginal food, marginal cover, and it's unpressured. 280 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 5: It's one area that they can find. 281 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 8: So you look at that five percent, So I want 282 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 8: to be that property that whatever bucks are left in 283 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 8: the neighborhood. And I'm not sounds selfish, but you're just 284 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 8: trying to do a good job. In anything you do, 285 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 8: you try to do your best. So I want to 286 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 8: have that five percent property. I want to have the 287 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 8: property that diminishes the number of dozen fauns during the summertime. 288 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 8: I don't like a lot of summer food. I want 289 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 8: those dozen fauns to migrate onto the property during hunting 290 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 8: season October November because I have quality food. But I 291 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 8: don't want them there waiting like an army for my 292 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 8: fall food to arrive in August in September when I 293 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 8: plant those food plots. So I want to minimize the 294 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 8: number of fawns and doze on the property by even 295 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 8: We have a product that we plant, It's called rut 296 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 8: zone from our food pot Seat company. It has beans 297 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 8: in it, but we plant that July first or later 298 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 8: early July pre probably because I want those dozen fawns 299 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 8: to fawn somewhere else traditional fawning grounds. I want them 300 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 8: off the p property preferred, and. 301 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 5: Then they'll come on later. 302 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 8: But I don't want them there during July and August pounding. 303 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 8: Some of our fall foods, and that's one of them. 304 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 8: I want to plant beans later July first short short 305 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 8: day bean so that I can get. 306 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 5: That to grow. 307 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 8: So you minimize the number of dozen fonts, you maximize 308 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 8: the number of mature bucks in your property, which is 309 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 8: only five percent of the neighborhood during the daylight. And 310 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 8: that way you're I'm not saying your EHD proof in 311 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 8: your property, but what you're doing is giving yourself a 312 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 8: competitive advantage to actually be the property in the area 313 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,119 Speaker 8: that's the influencer. 314 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: And if you're in. 315 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 8: A dry region and you don't have water holes that 316 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 8: are full of mud and receding cracked mud and drying mud, 317 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 8: then to me, that's one more way you protect those 318 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 8: mature box on your property. If they spend the majority 319 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 8: of their time on your property. Do you know at night, 320 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 8: most dear drink by eating green vegetation. So if they're 321 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 8: eating green vegetation all night because they're out in the 322 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 8: open aggfields, they don't need to take a drink of wie. 323 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 5: They come back on your land during the daylight. You 324 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 5: don't have mud. 325 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 8: Holes surrounded by a dry and crack and receding mud 326 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 8: that propagate the EHD midge in a lot of those ways, 327 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 8: just by housing those mature box during the daylight the most, 328 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 8: by being a five percent property, by reducing the number 329 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 8: or eliminating if you can waterhole or mudhole areas on 330 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 8: your property, then to me, you can have a fighting 331 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 8: chance against EHD. 332 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 5: And again, I feel sorry for it if you guys, 333 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 5: if that. 334 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 8: Happens, because I know I've been with clients almost in tears, 335 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 8: you know, where they've built deer herds for three or 336 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 8: four years and then just to have wiped out. 337 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 5: And I haven't gone through. 338 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 8: It personally, but I've personally experienced it with clients and 339 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 8: friends and it sucks, it really does. So those are 340 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 8: the few things that you can do to try to 341 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 8: me mitigate by EHD. 342 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 7: What would you do if if you're Minnesota farm, you know, 343 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 7: if there's a lot of eggs in that basket and 344 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 7: I do not even want to say this, but it's 345 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 7: the question of what would happen and if hypothetically snap 346 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 7: your fingers, then you're like, oh my gosh, somehow we 347 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 7: did get hammered and I lost eighty percent of you know, 348 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 7: the age structure on this farm. What would you do 349 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 7: for the season other than cry, maybe. 350 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 8: I try to identify that one mature black left that 351 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 8: I could hunt, and if that wasn't the case, you know, 352 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 8: then I would be happy to monitor the herd enjoy 353 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 8: taking care of the land. We have lots of pheasant 354 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 8: on our property. And I'm not saying that the pheasants, 355 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 8: the grouse and the rabbits and the birds, butterflies, bees 356 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 8: that we house on the property, our turkey nesting polt, 357 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 8: all our turkeys. I'm not saying that that would, you know, 358 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 8: take that sting away from losing that white tail herd. 359 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 8: But it be a focus of mine that I would 360 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 8: turn my attention to because we do that year round anyways. 361 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 8: You know, we spend so many hours on the property 362 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 8: because we are looking at turkey nesting areas, improving turkey population. 363 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 5: We have lots of groups on the property, lots of pheasant. 364 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 8: It just miles of peasant habitat edge and turkey nesting, 365 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 8: and so I would focus on that, and then I'd 366 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 8: look at trying to go north a little bit or 367 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 8: find areas core areas on public land where I could hunt, 368 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 8: and we hunt public land every year. Will be out 369 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 8: to Pennsylvania again, out in the hills out in the 370 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 8: Federal forest there that I've been going to since ninety three. 371 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 5: I go back to. 372 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 8: Michigan often, I think the last time was three years 373 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 8: ago to hunt public land, and so public. 374 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 5: Land has always been in my roots. 375 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 8: And I'd go find a non EHD exposed public land 376 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 8: to hunt somewhere because I gotta scratch that white till 377 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 8: itch and then at home I take care of the 378 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 8: critters and enjoy it. 379 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 5: Yeah it sucked. 380 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, no one wants to think it would be horrible, 381 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 8: but you know, you know, you just try to turn 382 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 8: your focus on other things. And what I've tried to 383 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 8: do in life at the age of fifty five is 384 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 8: I hate this expression. 385 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: It is what it is. 386 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 8: But if you live a little bit by that looking 387 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 8: at like, you can't you can't control, you can't worry 388 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 8: about the things you can't change in life. If you 389 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 8: worry about things and you let them get you down, 390 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 8: including hunting, you can really drag you down into precious 391 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 8: So I'd prefer to focus on Yep, that happened. It 392 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 8: was bad, and this goes to life too. We can't 393 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 8: do anything about it. We'll make better decisions next time, 394 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 8: or we'll just you know, we'll deal with it and 395 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 8: you move on and stay positive. 396 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 4: Next, we have Don Higgins, and his advice here is 397 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 4: very straightforward. And if you are in this scenario, or 398 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: maybe if you artists feeling not very confident going into 399 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: this season, I think Don's advice right here is going 400 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: to be a gentle nudge of him urgement. So here 401 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 4: we go. This is what Down's gonna do. If of 402 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 4: the deer just got wiped out to EHD, the midgefly 403 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: came in and caused havoc on his farm. 404 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 9: Well, I'd let my trail cameras tell me the story. 405 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 9: Is your target buck really dead? Is there another target 406 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 9: buck that you'd want to go after that you're still 407 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 9: getting pictures of? If not, go somewhere else, I mean, 408 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 9: there's no sense in right and off your season. I mean, 409 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 9: the United States is a big country. I've never heard 410 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 9: of EHD wiping out the entire country. Go somewhere where 411 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 9: there's still deer. You may not get the hunted as often, 412 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 9: you may have to wait till weekends or your vacation 413 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 9: instead of hunting every evening, but still don't give up. 414 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 9: It goes back to the saying that I've I've repeated 415 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 9: many times, find a solution, don't make excuses, find solutions, 416 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 9: and there's always a solution. 417 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 7: Do you think some guys, I mean, unfortunately areas get 418 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 7: hit by EHD and a common thing is houser season 419 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 7: hot even hunt got we got hit by eu H 420 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 7: And do you think it's just maybe they didn't really 421 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 7: want to hunt that bad. 422 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 9: Well, I think it comes down to priorities and they 423 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 9: probably got something else they like to do at that 424 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 9: time of the year. I mean, I can't imagine they're 425 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 9: sitting home staring at the ceiling and they're probably into 426 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 9: football or something like that, and that takes their time. 427 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 9: For guys like me, there is no alternative. It's been 428 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 9: chasing big deer three hundred and sixty five days a year, 429 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 9: and it doesn't matter what month it is, I'm doing 430 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 9: something related to chasing big deer. And I totally get 431 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 9: it that not everybody is that serious about it. But 432 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 9: if your goal is to kill giants, it better be 433 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 9: pretty high on your priority list or it's not going 434 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 9: to happen at least consistently. 435 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 4: Next up, we have Bobby Kendall. Bobby has a lot 436 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 4: of intel across the Midwest, and when you have a 437 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: lot of different places that you're in tune with, more 438 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 4: than likely one area may get snipped by EHD. Here 439 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 4: is his approach, And these are always usually based off 440 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 4: of rumors, and sometimes there's room of catastrophic devastation to 441 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: the white tailed deer herd, and sometimes maybe it's going 442 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 4: out of proportion. So here's Bobby Kendall on what his 443 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: perspective is when it comes to facing EHD. 444 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 7: Head on my area that I this has been hammered 445 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 7: by EHD. 446 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: My season's over. 447 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 7: I'm gonna get eight more fantasy football teams because my 448 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 7: season's over. 449 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: Is that is that the right approach? And where do 450 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: I start? 451 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 5: Yeah? 452 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 3: This is this is your mindset. 453 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 10: So like if EHD hits your farm and it's the 454 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 10: only place that you're hunting, yeah you're I mean ninety 455 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 10: percent chance that you're kind of screwed, you know, probably, 456 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 10: But this is where you know, a lot of these 457 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 10: conversations today have come back to good hunters. Great hunters. 458 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 10: You know, you have to get good at finding deer, 459 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 10: So you got to go out and find more places. 460 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 10: You can't just sit around and hope. And you know, 461 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 10: now I'll kind of talk about this from a different angle, 462 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 10: you know, deer strategy, and my opinion, it starts. A 463 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 10: lot of guys we deal with they haven't even bought 464 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 10: a farm yet. So those guys are it's really good 465 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 10: because you can have this conversation on the front end. 466 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 10: Deer strategy is not just this stuff, the food plot 467 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 10: and everything. It's your spread of farm. So a lot 468 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 10: of these guys are buying multiple farms, or they want 469 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 10: a four hundred acre farm or an eight hundred acre farm. 470 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 10: And part of your dear strategy is not pigeonholing yourself 471 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 10: into one, into a situation where you get wiped out 472 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 10: by EHD. So instead of buying a four hundred, maybe 473 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 10: buy two two hundreds. Maybe buy four to one hundreds 474 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 10: instead of buying one hundred, Maybe by two fifties. Instead 475 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 10: of leasing a two hundred, maybe you lease a fifty 476 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 10: to a one to fifty. The more pieces you can 477 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 10: have always, the better you're going to be off. You 478 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 10: have to have a great, big piece before it's like okay, 479 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 10: you know this makes sense. You are so much better 480 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 10: doing your part on fifty acres and sampling a thousand 481 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 10: or twelve hundred or eighteen hundred acres than you are 482 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 10: having eighteen hundred and sampling twenty four hundred. You know 483 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 10: what I mean. You can take that same thousand acres 484 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 10: in ten pieces and sample ten thousand acres. So getting 485 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 10: ahead of that problem. You know, that's all part of 486 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 10: your dear strategy game. And you know, so don't don't 487 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 10: get in a position where you're screwed because your farm 488 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 10: got wiped out by EHD. 489 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 5: I guess what I'm saying. 490 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 3: So go go knock on some doors. 491 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 10: Go knock on some doors if you're in that situation, 492 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 10: and start trying to change course so it doesn't happen again. 493 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it does suck. There, you guys have it. 494 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 7: Next, we have Thomas mills Now he's in Wisconsin, and 495 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 7: I think his approach here is going to be very 496 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 7: interesting on what to do if you're handcuffed to the 497 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 7: farm and is it worth paying attention? 498 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 4: Is it worth picking up a different hobby this fall. 499 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 4: Here's what Thomas Millson has to say. All right, I've 500 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 4: been hearing rumors it's been really dry. I think I 501 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 4: smelled the dead deer. Sure enough, my whole farm was 502 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 4: hammered by EHD, What do I do now? 503 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: Well, this year, you certainly don't have to worry about 504 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: it being dry if you're in the Midwest. But ESG 505 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: is a weird thing because it can be so isolated 506 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: in those pockets, and it happens a lot. Right Just 507 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: this last year, just south of here, a friend of 508 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 2: mine all their target books dead up by us. No 509 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: problem at all. There's not a lot that you can do, 510 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: to be honest. The first thing I'm gonna do is 511 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 2: a thorough examination of my farm, my property itself, and 512 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: figure out again is there anything that we can do 513 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: to get ahead of this problem in the future. 514 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 5: And then the next thing. 515 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do is I'm gonna hunt. I'm gonna hunt 516 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 2: like normal. I'm gonna observe my property, I'm gonna observe 517 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: the habitat deer movement. I'm gonna act as if there's 518 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: a mature buck on the property as much as possible. 519 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: But I also might pick up an out of state hunt, 520 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: or maybe do something out west, or maybe do some 521 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: low impact dope control, depending on you know, the quality. 522 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: If I heard in general, obviously, if EHD just hit 523 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: you really hard and killed a lot dear, you probably 524 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: don't want to go and kill a bunch of does, 525 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: but if it just took out a few of your 526 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: older age class bucks, which tends to happen, right, We've 527 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: got a lot more sensitive vascular tissue on a buck 528 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: like that for those flies to bite, so that happens 529 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: quite a bit. 530 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 3: But I'm going to just try to feel it out. 531 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: And remember, every year's a building year on a property, 532 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: every year's building year. 533 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 5: So again, this. 534 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: Year somewhat of a bus Still a lot of things 535 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: that we can do to enjoy our time out there. 536 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll spend more time taking my kids hunting. Maybe 537 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: I'll try and get them on the DOS or some management, dear, 538 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: whatever it might be. But I'm also looking at that 539 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: property and going, okay, what is the cause of something 540 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: like this? You know, I think one of the big 541 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 2: things we like to blame ponds, water holes and stuff 542 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: like that, which is partially true, yes, but from a 543 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: holistic standpoint, we also need to look at what are 544 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: the natural predators of this midge that spreads the and 545 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: we don't provide very good habitat for those animals either. Birds, spiders, 546 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: dragonflies are probably the biggest predators of insects like that, 547 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: midges and also mosquitoes alike. Dragonflies need similar water. They 548 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: need open water. The stuff that we look at and 549 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: go that's stagnant water, that's a mosquito haven. Mosquitoes can 550 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 2: breed in you a thimble of water. Dragonflies need a 551 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: lot more water. And when you have a healthy habitat 552 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: for water water, predators like that, like the dragonflies, they'll 553 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: feed on the midge in the larval state, they'll feed 554 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: on mosquitos in the larval state in that water, and 555 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: then they'll also catch them out of the air. So 556 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: it's kind of kind of twofold there, right, But it 557 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: goes back to the habitat. If we have a lot 558 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: better native habitat that supports a lot of healthier insect 559 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: populations than we have the predatory insects in that ecosystem 560 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: that also feed on that midge, and that reduces all 561 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 2: that stuff. So a lot of these problems that we 562 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: face as deer hunters, we have created ourselves not just 563 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: as hunters but as humans and habitat loss and destruction 564 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 2: and pesticides and all these things that are killing all 565 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: the things out there, and then just a select handful 566 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: of these pests can survive these situations. And it also 567 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: goes back to healthier deer. You know, healthy food plots, 568 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: getting a lot of mineral content into the forage so 569 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 2: it's actually nutrient dense and not just this, you know, 570 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: a lush, green, empty calorie meal for them. We get 571 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 2: as much vitamins in there as possible. I run goats 572 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: in the woods, right, the best way to combat biting 573 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: insects on goats is to make sure that they have 574 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: access to minerals. Trace minerals all the time. When the 575 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: mineral content is up in their body, their blood changes. 576 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: It makes them a lot healthier. The same as true 577 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: for deer, and deer don't hit mineral licks all the time. 578 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: So having mineral licks out I think is also a 579 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: good idea where it's legal. But if it's not legal, 580 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: there then having really really high quality food plots and 581 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 2: really high quality native vegetation. So here we go all 582 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: the way back around. Native vegetation really good for the 583 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: insects that are going to kill the midges. 584 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 5: Native vegetation, deep root. 585 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: Systems, a lot of minerals, a lot of good protein, 586 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: creates a lot healthier animals and also doesn't concentrate them 587 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: so much in certain areas. That's going to be that 588 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: full circle, holistic approach to improving your property to combat EHD. 589 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: And we're also going to address those water sources too 590 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: and try to mitigate the muddy water sources like that too, 591 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: So it all goes hand in hand. 592 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: Without further ado, we are going to close this out 593 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 4: with Mark Kenyon on his perspective on this specific topic. 594 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 7: Here we go, right, I've been hearing rumors, mumbles. I 595 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 7: think my whole area is got wiped out by EHD. 596 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 7: It's September. My season is completely different than what I thought. Potentially, 597 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 7: what do I do well? Good news badness on the situation. 598 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 7: The bad news is that I probably have the worst 599 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 7: answer anyone today in today's episode because I've never personally 600 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 7: had to experience this. But that's also the good news. 601 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 7: I've never had a personal experience. Yes, so I've worried 602 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 7: about it, and in last year actually was maybe the 603 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 7: time in the last like fifteen years where I thought 604 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 7: this might have happened the most likely, And so I 605 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 7: have these questions and I was like, ooh, is this 606 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 7: what's going on? Is this why they all disappeared. Is 607 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 7: this what's happening? So I lived this a little bit 608 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 7: last year, but I've never had it actually confirmed and 609 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 7: really truly blow things up for me. So I think 610 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 7: that what I did last year is that I searched 611 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 7: and hoped him, prayed and kept hoping him, praying that 612 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 7: they were around somewhere that just de your behavior change 613 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 7: or pressure had changed, and something had pushed these bucks 614 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 7: out of their usual patterns. I definitely paid a lot 615 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 7: of extra attention to water when I was out hunting 616 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 7: during the season or doing some final prep work there 617 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 7: in the late August early September, because that's typically where 618 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 7: you're to find deer from EHD. They go to water, 619 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 7: So I was always watching for that. I was asking neighbors. 620 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 7: I was like, hey, are you finding dead deer? Have 621 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 7: you seen any sign of this? Are you're smelling anything funky? 622 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 7: Like I'm wondering if this is what's going on, So 623 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 7: just just allow the detective work to try to confirm. 624 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 7: That didn't end up turning anything out, And so I 625 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 7: think if there were rumors, that's what I would be 626 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 7: doing to try to confirm. If I was in a 627 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 7: situation where it is confirmed and I start finding dead 628 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 7: deer or I start hearing about it happening, and it 629 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 7: seems like the deer that I'm after that year, or 630 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 7: whatever mature bucks were around, or toast. I think, then 631 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 7: you've got two options. One of these options is hopefully 632 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 7: you are prepared for both these six I think the 633 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 7: key thing is this. I mentioned this on a different episode. 634 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 7: One of the most important things to consistent deer hunting 635 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 7: success is having a diversified portfolio. If you were dependent 636 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 7: on any one deer, or any one property or any 637 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 7: one area. 638 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: You are putting your your house. 639 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 7: Of cards is a serious risk because it could all 640 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 7: come tumbling down if you have one bad case of HD, 641 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 7: or if you have one neighbor who shoots the one 642 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 7: buck here after whatever. There's so many things can happen 643 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 7: if you are dependent on this one thing. So I 644 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 7: try to make sure that I have multiple areas that 645 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 7: can hunt, multiple properties that can hunt, multiple deer I 646 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 7: can hunt and or well, I guess, and public opportunities 647 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 7: as well. So having many private accesses is great. If 648 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 7: you have those opportunities, or if you own a farm 649 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 7: or multiple farms, whatever it is, whatever your circumstances are, 650 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 7: Supplementing that with public land is a great way to 651 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 7: have more options, so that if EHD does blow up 652 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 7: your core place, it's not like AH says, is over, 653 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 7: I'm doomed. It's okay. Pivot, what's Plan B, what's Plan C? 654 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 7: What's planned? And if you don't have a BC or D, 655 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 7: then it's you know, hitting the hitting the doors, you know, 656 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 7: hitting the road, knocking on doors, trying to get last 657 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 7: in the permission, talking to friends, talking to your network. 658 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 7: You know, it's amazing if you start asking about hunting opportunities, 659 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 7: and even today where there are so many people trying 660 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 7: to get access, there are still opportunities to get permission 661 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 7: in places if you ask enough, if you talk, if 662 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 7: you find creative ways to help people out, people will 663 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 7: help you back. So even in this case where your 664 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 7: property gets destroyed and there's maybe nothing you want to 665 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 7: hunt anymore, I certainly wouldn't want to hang it up 666 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 7: for the year. I would say, all right, well, now 667 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 7: what do I need to do. 668 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 3: How do you make. 669 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 7: Something out of the situation, and how do I find 670 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 7: like a silver lining to this? This is a great 671 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 7: opportunity to go and do that thing that you've always 672 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 7: thought someday I'll do it that brand new adventure, traveling 673 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 7: out of state to some new place, or learning a 674 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 7: piece of public land. You've always thought, man, that looks 675 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 7: pretty good. But I've always had this great farm hunt. 676 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 7: This is the year when you have ESG hit where 677 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 7: your planing a disappears. That's the year ticked flyer, Go 678 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 7: do something new, Go try a new technique, a new area, 679 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 7: learn some new lessons, because they have nothing to lose 680 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 7: and only new opportunities and learnings to gain. So I 681 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 7: would view EHD as an unfortunate pivot point that you 682 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 7: should try to make the best of. Yeah, I think 683 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 7: that's the best thing you can do. I mean, sitting 684 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 7: there and sulking for the whole year probably is doing 685 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 7: a human And you know, this is a more occurring issue, 686 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 7: and that's why this was a question that I asked 687 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 7: eight people, and everyone had a different level of experience 688 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 7: with EHD, and that the general consensus was. 689 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: Move on. 690 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 7: I mean, that's all you could probably do and obviously 691 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 7: verify that there was an issue, because EHD is always 692 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 7: a rumor. It's always oh so and so heard from 693 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 7: so and so that there was a bunch of dead deer, 694 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 7: and so that kind of perpetuates a lot of panic, 695 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 7: and maybe sometimes it's over sensationalized, and sometimes maybe it's 696 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 7: very accurate. And so I think you had to figure 697 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 7: out what that is, and that was the general consensus. 698 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 3: So that's the HD. 699 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 7: I hope everyone listening to this does not have to 700 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 7: experience this issue. And I hopefully this is a trend 701 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 7: that becomes less popular and occurs less often, but it's 702 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 7: something that's really real right now, and so that's why 703 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 7: we asked that. But next week we have a really 704 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 7: I guess, kind of somewhat philosophical question of how can 705 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 7: we make the next twenty five years of hunting beer 706 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 7: hunting better than the last twenty five And we have 707 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 7: a great variety of answers, and I hope you guys 708 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 7: tune in next week. 709 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 3: Obviously, it is. 710 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 4: My wish here that no one has to experience this, 711 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 4: but it is an issue that is becoming. 712 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 3: More and more prevalent. 713 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that are hypothesizing different solutions 714 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 4: and trying to hopefully mitigate the problems with EHD, and 715 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 4: hopefully there's a solution in the future. There's obviously some 716 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 4: things that people talked about from a habitat perspective of 717 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 4: what you could potentially. 718 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 3: Do, and this is the reality of the situation right now. 719 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 4: Like I said in the very beginning, Ohio unfortunately is 720 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 4: facing this once again. There was parts of Illinois last 721 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 4: year that got hit and this seems like every single 722 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 4: year there's pocketed regions that get really hurt by EHD. 723 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 4: So hopefully this episode doesn't hit home. But unfortunately, if 724 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 4: you're in the Midwest, you can almost earmark this because 725 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 4: probably in the next few years, or the next five 726 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 4: years or ten years, this is something that you're unfortunately 727 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 4: likely going to face as things sit today. 728 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: So that is it. 729 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 4: We are closing out the back forty series here pretty soon. 730 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 4: We have one more episode that I hope you guys 731 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 4: will enjoy. It's a very overarching, big picture, more philosophical 732 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 4: question that I wanted to get perspective from all of 733 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 4: these guests. 734 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: So that is it. We will see you next time. 735 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 3: See you