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Speaker 1: your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is Tuesday, March eighteenth, twenty twenty five, and we
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Speaker 2: Miller Tome and we are closing in quickly on the
Speaker 2: final month until the NFL Draft. We've got Tommy Yarish,
Speaker 2: Brian brought us, Fox Lombardi, Bobby Belt with Chris Beam
Speaker 2: in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Glad you are with us,
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, it's getting close to that time. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have our one month out mocked draft on Thursday, which
Speaker 2: I'm excited about, where we'll go around the table and
Speaker 2: start picking up different guys guy and try and see
Speaker 2: how this first round could possibly play out. We'll go
Speaker 2: through that whole scenario on Thursday, but today it's really
Speaker 2: a lot of really the nerves, trying to get those
Speaker 2: out of the way. Brian try and see who we
Speaker 2: could be wrong on and try and hit that.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's a lot of guys you could be wrong
Speaker 3: on this draft, in this draft specific. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 3: this is to me when you and really every draft,
Speaker 3: I mean, we've I've had discussions. Ear Old Draft Show
Speaker 3: colleague Jeff Kavanaugh asked me a question like on Twitter today,
Speaker 3: what guy, what guys would you have that you don't
Speaker 3: think are gonna bust? You know, give me, give me,
Speaker 3: give me four or five guys that you don't think
Speaker 3: are going to bust, you know, and and and and
Speaker 3: the target range of where the Cowboys are picking at twelve.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a pretty interesting exercise. I think
Speaker 3: that's the that's the pressure that you face. I was
Speaker 3: on with Eric giafalow Love at The Star this morning.
Speaker 3: We were talking about, you know, we were talking about listen,
Speaker 3: you could have thoughts about the running backs in this draft.
Speaker 3: You could, you could you could tell me like, hey,
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense to take a running back like
Speaker 3: gent at twelve. It doesn't make sense. It's not it's
Speaker 3: it's it's not the economical use of your draft picks.
Speaker 3: It's sure, damn is an economical use of your draft pick.
Speaker 3: If you turn around and pick a bust at at
Speaker 3: twelve because you didn't take genty, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You can talk about economics of draft picks and all that,
Speaker 3: cowboys haven't had really good success. We'll see what happens
Speaker 3: with Mazie, We'll see what happens with Tyler Geiden. But
Speaker 3: to where they've drafted the standards before, it's they've those
Speaker 3: two picks of have some question marks. And if you
Speaker 3: don't want to take a running back, if you don't
Speaker 3: want to take an Ashton Genty because of economics, you know,
Speaker 3: because you feel like that maybe oh well you know, A,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's not an economical thing. And you
Speaker 3: pick one of these other players, that's a bust. That's
Speaker 3: that's stuff that's going on right now in these war
Speaker 3: rooms and you're setting these boards. You're trying your damnedest
Speaker 3: to make sure like who the guys are not going
Speaker 3: to bust, especially in that first round. That that's the
Speaker 3: thing that I think, that's the thing. And there's plenty
Speaker 3: of guys up there that can scare the hell out
Speaker 3: of you if you really break it down looking.
Speaker 4: At your board, why Bran like, like, why is it
Speaker 4: so many, so many players this year that it seems like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I bet if he was a guard his film would
Speaker 4: be better. Oh well, he got a new coach, so
Speaker 4: it looks a little weird this year. You should go
Speaker 4: back to this twenty twenty three to oh, his dog died,
Speaker 4: that's why he played bad.
Speaker 3: That Yah.
Speaker 5: You know, we've been you know, we we're.
Speaker 3: Starting to hear a lot of excuses and it's not
Speaker 3: so much excuses. Is like we're hearing about Walker from Kentucky.
Speaker 3: We mentioned him with the back stuff and all that,
Speaker 3: and you're like, well, is that the reason why he
Speaker 3: played bad? Everybody the guys that were at a certain
Speaker 3: level when we first started this process that are now
Speaker 3: kind of falling, and everybody's like, well, oh well this
Speaker 3: is why did you check this? Tommy? Did you check this?
Speaker 2: Fodge?
Speaker 3: Oh did you know this? You know Colin?
Speaker 4: Somebody said in my comments, Brand, well, Michael Williams not
Speaker 4: a good pass rusher right now because Georgie didn't ask
Speaker 4: him the pass rush very much.
Speaker 5: What does that mean? What that mean? Tayle?
Speaker 6: What that means?
Speaker 4: Because I mean I've seen three, three or four people
Speaker 4: tell me that, and yeah, I understand I'm doing this crusade.
Speaker 4: You know, when I don't like a player, I loudly,
Speaker 4: you know, don't like a player so so so people
Speaker 4: think that I'm hating or something. Well, watch the coach
Speaker 4: didn't ask in the past us very much what the
Speaker 4: hell he doing on pass rush downs? You know, there's
Speaker 4: just a lot of guys with questions and this could
Speaker 4: be a draft that'll get you fired or somebody look
Speaker 4: at you like a like a Jeanis. We been talking
Speaker 4: about the running back Gordon right, like why was he
Speaker 4: so fantastic?
Speaker 2: At one point Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: State Donovan Edwards from from Michigan, Right, once upon a time,
Speaker 4: we were looking at him like he was going to
Speaker 4: be a guy. What happened Isaiah Bond? What happened? How
Speaker 4: these guys kind of fall down this board? And me
Speaker 4: and Brown will make the joke, Oh, this type of
Speaker 4: dude you get in the fifth round, he'll save your job.
Speaker 4: Oh they'll be a there'll be an all pro guy
Speaker 4: you know in you know, two or three years.
Speaker 5: So like, why is this so weird?
Speaker 7: Like do you think on Michael Williams And I don't
Speaker 7: want to get you going on a total tangent, but
Speaker 7: on my specifically in terms of that he wasn't asked
Speaker 7: to pass rush a lot, and that's it. Would you
Speaker 7: at least agree like what he's going to be asked
Speaker 7: to do at the NFL level will probably not match
Speaker 7: what he was asked to do at Georgia. He's not
Speaker 7: gonna be asked I don't think by a lot of
Speaker 7: teams to two gap as frequently as he was at Georgia.
Speaker 4: All we have is the film, right, That's just, that's just,
Speaker 4: that's just where we are. You talk to people I
Speaker 4: don't really talking about, So all I have is Okay,
Speaker 4: let me watch James Pierce. Then let me watch Mike
Speaker 4: Hail Williams. I like what Pierce looks like more, or
Speaker 4: let me watch Princely, let me watch Donovan. I watched
Speaker 4: Baron Surrell, Tommy, they love it. Get on your abatch
Speaker 4: your textas bar Surrell run game past game, whatever he's doing.
Speaker 4: I like what it looks like he's doing on film.
Speaker 4: He doesn't run down the mill of people, Michael run
Speaker 4: down the mill of people. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and I can only imagine that when you get to
Speaker 4: the league that goes up a bit because you're running
Speaker 4: down the middle of better guards and better tackles. Now,
Speaker 4: so that's what I'm saying when I'm watching the film,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't project very well. Just like last year, right,
Speaker 4: Tyler Guiden, you know we talk about you know, Oh
Speaker 4: he leans a little bit, gets over his skates, his
Speaker 4: hands aren't in the right place. I saw a lot
Speaker 4: of tab with the head their hands in the right place,
Speaker 4: a bunch and those dudes fared better.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Could I be wrong in three years about Michael Willis
Speaker 4: And I'd be wrong in three years about Tyler Guidon
Speaker 4: for sure. But we talked about twelve overall this year.
Speaker 4: You need people this year and next year, not in
Speaker 4: three years.
Speaker 7: If I told you he's If I told you he
Speaker 7: ends up being Gregory Rousseau. Are you comfortable with that?
Speaker 7: Or do you want more out of Pick twelve?
Speaker 4: I like Russou, but I want more out of Peaks.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: This was a community that hated Rousseau when he was
Speaker 7: coming out, like in Jeneral, Like I was not a
Speaker 7: big Russou fan.
Speaker 5: I mean neither, but like.
Speaker 7: I mean to me, it's you wouldn't you think when
Speaker 7: you think of rushing to the chest and traits and
Speaker 7: everything like that, I think of in recent history Rousseau
Speaker 7: and then probably on the back end of that of
Speaker 7: bus potential to be Marcus Davenport. Sure Davenport used to
Speaker 7: have the same issue rush into the chest and and
Speaker 7: you know didn't have all the tools put together right away.
Speaker 7: So like, yeah, that could be a lower end of
Speaker 7: what Michael Williams would be would be on the back
Speaker 7: side of that, some of the Davenport struggles.
Speaker 4: You're not wrong. But for every Greg Russo is ten,
Speaker 4: it's ten Cleveland Farrells that we just you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, So it's twelve overall. You had to lose
Speaker 4: games to get here. You had to be a terrible
Speaker 4: football team to get here.
Speaker 5: Like Brian saman I don't want to roll the dice.
Speaker 4: I don't want to overthink, well, Ashton Genty's a running back,
Speaker 4: but I can cut on any game, you know how
Speaker 4: well MIKEL Williams has two good Texas games, but you
Speaker 4: know it's weird everywhere else. It don't matter what game
Speaker 4: you put on for Ashton Genty, Boise State versus.
Speaker 2: Anybody's running over anyone, anybody.
Speaker 4: I just want the anybody guy Mike Green looks fantastic
Speaker 4: versus anybody.
Speaker 5: I just want anybody.
Speaker 2: Let's look like, if you're talking about any guy anytime, anywhere,
Speaker 2: any place, any team, who's those guys, Like, what is
Speaker 2: the short list of those guys at twelve? Because that's
Speaker 2: who we need to be looking at.
Speaker 4: Give me McMillan. He jumps over everybody, even the first
Speaker 4: or third overall pick.
Speaker 2: Where he's sliding down mock draft.
Speaker 5: That's a lie. I won't believe it.
Speaker 4: McMillan jents he's one of those guys for me, everybody
Speaker 4: and gotta believe this. I think Simmons from Ohio State
Speaker 4: to the left Tack, I think he's one of those guys.
Speaker 4: And I'm I'm on a short list of guys also
Speaker 4: me and Tommy. Matthew Gold is one of those guys
Speaker 4: for me. Think so, Matthew Gold is one of those
Speaker 4: guys for me.
Speaker 3: I felt Barron in there. I mean the four, the
Speaker 3: four that the four that I asked that and Jeff
Speaker 3: asked me the question. I answered Simmons genty and then
Speaker 3: I went Baron Abuca and that that's the that's the
Speaker 3: guys that I went the non bus guys. Those are
Speaker 3: the four that I went with.
Speaker 2: Buka is interesting because it goes back to that ceiling
Speaker 2: floor conversation that we love to talk about on the show,
Speaker 2: and I love I think he's built, He's he had
Speaker 2: a floor at Ohio State that cannot be questioned. He
Speaker 2: was never really the guy at Ohio State, but he
Speaker 2: did everything else perfectly along the way, and he's got
Speaker 2: good tape, he's got good production. He did it with
Speaker 2: multiple quarterbacks, he did it in multiple seasons, and he
Speaker 2: was always kind of that floor guy that you can
Speaker 2: rely on. So I'm in so with you saying that
Speaker 2: you would still be fine taking a Bouka out of
Speaker 2: Ohio State at twelve. Yeah, just because he is a
Speaker 2: safe selection.
Speaker 3: I think. I don't think he's going to bustin. I
Speaker 3: think he is going to come into the league and
Speaker 3: I think he's going to play at a very very
Speaker 3: high level. And I think whoever drafts him is going
Speaker 3: to be super happy they did because he he knows
Speaker 3: how to be a great teammate. He knows how to
Speaker 3: play second Phil if he has to. I think he's
Speaker 3: got ability with trades where he could be the first
Speaker 3: wide receiver for your team, and the fact that I
Speaker 3: don't think the games are too big for him, and
Speaker 3: I love him. I love that about him.
Speaker 2: You didn't say McMillan out of Arizona. I'm interested. Is
Speaker 2: there something there that you're looking at?
Speaker 3: You know there's a possibility with him? I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: going to I have him very, very high. He's one
Speaker 3: of those guys that I don't think will I don't
Speaker 3: think I would come off of I do think there's
Speaker 3: legitimate There's the things that you have to be questioned about.
Speaker 3: Is is he legitimately a four or five to four
Speaker 3: guy speed wise? I think I think he's closer to
Speaker 3: four or five one, because if somebody got him at four,
Speaker 3: four eight and somebody got him at four or five four,
Speaker 3: that's you split those times. That's right around four, five one,
Speaker 3: four five two.
Speaker 4: Do you care? Like if he's a four or five guy?
Speaker 4: Do you do you really care? I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't, But I just think if you asked me
Speaker 3: five guys, I think I would have him as number five.
Speaker 3: I picked four that four guys. I think he would
Speaker 3: be number five on my on my list?
Speaker 4: Is that a recent like a like a recent change
Speaker 4: for you because you used to be ten toes down McMillan, guy, Like,
Speaker 4: I just don't want you waffling a little bit.
Speaker 5: Have you kind of died down on him a little bit?
Speaker 2: No, I just know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, those those are the four
Speaker 3: guys that I think that absolutely will not bust. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's it. I mean, I you know, I mean. And
Speaker 3: then he said if he said five guys, I you know,
Speaker 3: he says, give me, give me guys, give me four guys.
Speaker 3: That I so. I I just to me, I feel
Speaker 3: like Baron, like I said, I feel like Simmons is
Speaker 3: the top one. Gent d uh uh Baron Abuka for
Speaker 3: my for my four guys.
Speaker 6: Let me this brunt. You were talking earlier about how
Speaker 6: the past couple of years these first round picks haven't
Speaker 6: hit for Dallas yet. Do you think that puts just
Speaker 6: because you've been in those rooms before, do you think
Speaker 6: that puts any pressure on this group to maybe opt
Speaker 6: for the safer pick that might not be as high
Speaker 6: on their boards, or do you feel like they could
Speaker 6: still go for that higher player who you still maybe
Speaker 6: have some lingering questions about. And you're not as sure
Speaker 6: as a as a surefire guy. I hope that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think it through that that just take
Speaker 3: the safe pick at twelve and not.
Speaker 2: So so so let me let me give me a
Speaker 2: guy twelve. You're a picture of this.
Speaker 6: So you're talking about Abuka. Yeah, so you've got a
Speaker 6: Buka at twelve. But if maybe Matthew Golden is higher
Speaker 6: on their board, but there's you know, does he run
Speaker 6: the routes as well as as he can he develop
Speaker 6: into a better route runner. Do you take a chance
Speaker 6: on Golden just because the traits that he's got, or
Speaker 6: do you look at a Buka and say, Okay, this
Speaker 6: guy we need a wide receiver to. This guy's been
Speaker 6: a bona fide wide receiver to at Ohio State his
Speaker 6: entire career.
Speaker 3: I'm taking a Buka there. Okay, yeah, I'm taking a
Speaker 3: booka there. I just feel like to me that overall,
Speaker 3: I could say that the body of work for him,
Speaker 3: I've seen it his whole entire career at Ohio State. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Golden I'm you know, Houston to hear. I think
Speaker 3: Golden's a hell of a player, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to I'm not trying to think
Speaker 3: anything less of Golden or any of these other guys
Speaker 3: or like you know, we're gonna about Mikel Williams, We're
Speaker 3: gonna talk about will Johnson, those kind of guys. But
Speaker 3: I just to me, I just think of I look
Speaker 3: at the overall body of work throughout his whole entire career.
Speaker 3: I think that's why I got a booka ahead of
Speaker 3: ahead of Golden.
Speaker 4: Something I love to do is as ask Bob, because
Speaker 4: I don't get to work with them all the time,
Speaker 4: and biby begets to hear these things. But why are
Speaker 4: we seeing these My dress's wide receivers kind of falling
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, like you know, burden is falling.
Speaker 4: We you know, just talk about certain guys that we
Speaker 4: may have on our top fifteen or so. The league
Speaker 4: may not see it that way.
Speaker 5: Why is that?
Speaker 7: I think Burden scares people because of how his final
Speaker 7: season at Missouri went, where it was all right, was
Speaker 7: the progression? Is he going to take the step up?
Speaker 7: Is he going to have a really big year here
Speaker 7: at Missouri? The last year and it didn't go all
Speaker 7: He was banged up a little bit, So there's some
Speaker 7: of that question there. I personally get concerned by players
Speaker 7: like Burden coming out just because whenever it's and I've
Speaker 7: talked about this before, whenever the top lineman to me
Speaker 7: is what you do after the catch or like oh
Speaker 7: they're a playmaker and put the ball in their hands,
Speaker 7: and like, you know, the Malachi Corley's last year, Like
Speaker 7: I let Malachi Corley burn me last year. I think
Speaker 7: because he doesn't look like he's going to be the
Speaker 7: type of player that I thought it could be there,
Speaker 7: there's just more of a projector or more uncertainty to
Speaker 7: me with somebody like Burton. So I think that there
Speaker 7: may be some of that question with people who look
Speaker 7: at Burdon, say you were a five star, you played
Speaker 7: really well early at Missouri, Why did it taper off?
Speaker 7: Why do you you know? Why did you seem to
Speaker 7: have some of those issues. So that's the deal with Burdon. McMillan.
Speaker 7: I don't know, like McMillan falling in some of these
Speaker 7: mocks where he's going like twenty I said it last week,
Speaker 7: He's Kyle Hamilton to me at receiver where it's like
Speaker 7: Kyle Hamilton. People it felt like started overthinking him and
Speaker 7: maybe had some fatigue because he was being mentioned for
Speaker 7: a year plus as one of the top players in
Speaker 7: the draft, and all of a sudden, Kyle Hamilton slides
Speaker 7: like fourteen to the Ravens and he turns out to
Speaker 7: be a great player. Like I think McMillan is one
Speaker 7: of those guys that in the past, whether it's you know,
Speaker 7: Brian Branch or Kyle Hamilton or some of these guys
Speaker 7: that it feels like we overthink a little bit and
Speaker 7: let them slide. I wonder if he'll be one of
Speaker 7: those guys. I would hope he wouldn't get past twelve
Speaker 7: in that instance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, when he shouldn't.
Speaker 6: If he shouldn't get past twelve, I don't get it.
Speaker 6: I'm with you, guys, I don't get it. I mean,
Speaker 6: this guy is he's game fast. You know, everybody's talking
Speaker 6: about this forty time, but he's game fast. He's clocked
Speaker 6: in a couple of times at nineteen miles an hour
Speaker 6: at Arizona. And you know, we talked about how good
Speaker 6: Luther Burden is after the catch. I don't think Ted
Speaker 6: Roe McMillan is that far behind in terms of what
Speaker 6: he can do for you, just because of that long
Speaker 6: stride he's got to build, it's hard to bring down
Speaker 6: for some of these corners that may be a little
Speaker 6: bit smaller. And then you add in too, what he
Speaker 6: can do with fifty f fifty balls and contested catches,
Speaker 6: the catch radius that he's got with those long arms
Speaker 6: and body control. I mean, this guy's clearly, for me,
Speaker 6: the best wide receiver in this class.
Speaker 7: I don't see wasted movement with him, no like and
Speaker 7: that that's one of the big things to me, is
Speaker 7: that it's like if you're four or five five, but
Speaker 7: you're efficient in everything that you do, the way that
Speaker 7: you move across the field, I don't think it matters
Speaker 7: nearly as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's an athletic freak show.
Speaker 6: So you add all that into it, and it just
Speaker 6: seems this might be one of those where it's it's
Speaker 6: like one of those smoke screens.
Speaker 3: Early.
Speaker 6: I feel like, like, you know, you see him dropping twenty.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he gets out of the top ten.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's even there for Dallas at twelve.
Speaker 2: Could very well be the case. I would I would
Speaker 2: go in Vegas, I say, I doubt he's there. New
Speaker 2: York Carolina. I mean any of those teams us likely not.
Speaker 3: To be there. Mc millaner Genty.
Speaker 7: I feel it's starting to feel more like j J.
Speaker 3: He will be there, well not will not.
Speaker 4: I don't think he'll be there. I think neither one
Speaker 4: of them be there. Neither should be there. Like their
Speaker 4: top five guys on my look, my boy ain't ain't
Speaker 4: there boy, But yeah, those are two guys that shouldn't
Speaker 4: be there. We should be having a conversations about Mike
Speaker 4: Green or something and not McMillian because we get me
Speaker 4: a million, I say we, But if Dallas getting a million,
Speaker 4: y'all had to keep me out of him, and I'm
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stop, stand up and clap.
Speaker 2: Stand on the table now. I just as we sit
Speaker 2: here almost one month out, if you had to say,
Speaker 2: in one word what the position would be that you
Speaker 2: would spend the twelfth overall pick on? What would it be?
Speaker 2: One position doesn't have to be a player, doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be a guest. But what would you spend it on?
Speaker 2: Based off of what they've done in free agency over
Speaker 2: these last couple of weeks, where would you go?
Speaker 3: I don't think free agency has limited them to even
Speaker 3: it has I don't think. I think they just prevented
Speaker 3: depth from going out the door and added some pieces
Speaker 3: to make sure that they can draft and they don't
Speaker 3: have to force it.
Speaker 5: So wide receiver though, like it has to be, it
Speaker 5: has to be.
Speaker 7: You don't have to right now, you don't have a
Speaker 7: legitimate starter. I don't think they're right now. Is the
Speaker 7: number two?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cooks walk So now you like worse?
Speaker 4: So now your wide receivers are Tobin interpreinting, CD Tobin
Speaker 4: interpreted And that's y'all ready for that.
Speaker 5: Paris Campbell, I'm not, I don't. I hope he's not here.
Speaker 3: He's here?
Speaker 5: And is he here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Hey man, he'll be competing when we get the ox focks,
Speaker 4: and you know, we'll we'll just see, uh Sanders, Miles Sanders,
Speaker 4: I think he's a competing at Oxford.
Speaker 5: Guy, I don't, I don't. I don't know how long
Speaker 5: they're gonna be here. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 5: if they're around in September.
Speaker 3: For a team that wants to run the ball, they
Speaker 3: got no runner, Nope. So I mean that's if you
Speaker 3: want to, if you want to talk about twelve. I
Speaker 3: don't know how comfortable everybody is taking Hampton or Johnson
Speaker 3: or one of those guys.
Speaker 2: He was mocked today to the Cowboys. Hampton was out
Speaker 2: of North Carolina. Would you feel comfortable in that sense?
Speaker 5: He was mocked at twelve? It was well won them
Speaker 5: trade back.
Speaker 2: He was at twelve.
Speaker 7: That's second time in a row Kuiper's put him at twelve.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: That's where I keep an eye on that because Kuiper
Speaker 3: he did the thing with Tyler Smith. He did the
Speaker 3: same thing with Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4: If if Jens's not there and McMillan is not there,
Speaker 4: I don't know what it looks like to get wiped out,
Speaker 4: you know this year, But if it's a version of
Speaker 4: wiped out to where look, we need running back and
Speaker 4: we don't think Hampton's gonna be there. And Hampton's like
Speaker 4: your seventeenth guy, if he's your sixteen seventeenth guy.
Speaker 2: Then you'll be fine.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't hurt It wouldn't hurt me because we have Hampton,
Speaker 4: Like oo, you have drafted Hampton and all these other
Speaker 4: guys aren't there. I would have rather Hampton than Will
Speaker 4: Johnson or something.
Speaker 3: So that's what it's gonna ask you Hampton, Mikel Williams
Speaker 3: or Will Johnson.
Speaker 4: See you purposely picked two players I have a problem
Speaker 4: with and one player that I love.
Speaker 2: So you asked me where I would you put.
Speaker 4: On my board. I'm taking the running back that I love.
Speaker 4: I'm not one of these guys that hate drafting running
Speaker 4: back like that. You know, I don't know either. I
Speaker 4: hate paying running back for a long time, but drafting
Speaker 4: running back we can go party.
Speaker 5: I will get Hampton.
Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you a question based off
Speaker 2: of that, if you had to rank those three guys
Speaker 2: and who you would take in that.
Speaker 3: Order, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Who was again, it was Hampton, Mikel Williams, and then
Speaker 2: Will Johnson.
Speaker 5: For me, I'm going Hampton, Johnson, Williams in that order.
Speaker 2: I think it's likely they would reverse that and it
Speaker 2: would be Oh yeah, I think it's William Johnson and
Speaker 2: then Hampton.
Speaker 5: But mel Kiper said that Hampton.
Speaker 3: So what we need to do is this show needs
Speaker 3: to just start talking about Will Johnson and Michel Williams.
Speaker 3: Like Tommy brought up the other day with Michael Williams
Speaker 3: that now.
Speaker 4: I would literally be hurt and I would lose a
Speaker 4: lot of faith in what we got going on here.
Speaker 5: Like, I know they don't care about me. Look, man,
Speaker 5: I don't even work here your guest. Man, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I don't even have a like my little Languard thing.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't have clearance around here. I can't
Speaker 4: interview nobody. Man, they don't care what I think. Man,
Speaker 4: But if you pass on what if we pass on
Speaker 4: mc millan, for what I would be hurt? I would
Speaker 4: be physically hurt and I would have to go through
Speaker 4: pick thirteen through thirty two on this show, upset with
Speaker 4: a bad look on my face, man, with a bad look,
Speaker 4: and look, I'm sure they look.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I wish him the best. They're gonna make a lot
Speaker 4: of moneybody, mama, house man, I'm proud of you do.
Speaker 4: But missing on a on a player that I liked,
Speaker 4: down care what I think for a player that I
Speaker 4: got a bunch of problems with or clearly on film
Speaker 4: everybody has questions about.
Speaker 5: That's what Brian been talking about for the past three months.
Speaker 4: Man, get you a guy that has the least amount
Speaker 4: of question marks, the least amount of worse you possibly can,
Speaker 4: and you just gave me an order where the question mark.
Speaker 5: Dudes are one and two. Hampton ain't got a lot
Speaker 5: of question marks? Does Brian?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: He just running?
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, Bobby, what the league saying about him,
Speaker 5: you got a lot of question mark.
Speaker 7: He doesn't have a lot of question marks. I think
Speaker 7: he's solidified as a first rounder. I think that it's
Speaker 7: just the idea of like, here's why I don't think
Speaker 7: Hampton would happen at twelve. I think this team is
Speaker 7: trying to justify right now, like just working through scenarios,
Speaker 7: going why is Ashton gent different enough that we would
Speaker 7: consider him here? But like just as you're the same
Speaker 7: sort of thing where you float any idea and just say, like,
Speaker 7: talk through these scenarios. Okay, typically we wouldn't pursue a
Speaker 7: running back this high. Why is all you've done is
Speaker 7: talk about running the damn ball right right right right right?
Speaker 7: He went out there, you hired.
Speaker 3: This line coach, and you went out and hired this
Speaker 3: guy from Kansas State, and the court and the and
Speaker 3: the guy that the head coach GNA tells him to
Speaker 3: run the damn ball right.
Speaker 7: But Brian, let's look at that.
Speaker 3: I agree with And you sit there and you say, oh,
Speaker 3: we don't want to take the best back.
Speaker 7: I agree.
Speaker 3: Okay, I you know what, don't tell me about running
Speaker 3: the football anymore.
Speaker 7: Bright, I agree with you. What I'm saying is is
Speaker 7: that if they're having to go through that exercise, picks the.
Speaker 3: Corner that can't that we don't know a forty yard
Speaker 3: dash time.
Speaker 7: Our gent denty are Genty and Hampton's tags touching for you.
Speaker 3: GT and Hampton?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like running back.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no exactly. So I think I think
Speaker 7: if this team is having to go through that exercise
Speaker 7: with Genty and say is he and I think they
Speaker 7: would come to a conclusion that says he is. But
Speaker 7: I'm saying, if they're having to go through that exercise,
Speaker 7: Hampton's not even close enough to begin that exercise. I
Speaker 7: don't think. Sure he's a good player, He's not even
Speaker 7: close enough to begin that kind of.
Speaker 2: A Johnson Okay, Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 3: Nowther you're talking about Will Johns and Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not gonna be there.
Speaker 7: Riyan doesn't have Will Johnson over Jock Reeves.
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Speaker 4: Man asked a question, Yeah, of course I would like
Speaker 4: to ask the table here.
Speaker 2: Are you a coup a lot of time on Twitter?
Speaker 4: I promise it won't. Are you floor guy or are
Speaker 4: you ceiling guy? Bryant Hastes, Are you the guy that
Speaker 4: the player either has a high floor, that's as good
Speaker 4: as they're gonna be, but they're ready to go right now,
Speaker 4: like a like a jack, like a Jack Sawyer type right,
Speaker 4: or are you the ceiling guy to where? Man, they're
Speaker 4: not ready to go right now. They may not know
Speaker 4: how to play for they only be playing football for
Speaker 4: two weeks, but they're so athletic that maybe in three
Speaker 4: years they'll be the best player in the league.
Speaker 5: Are you floor guy? Are you seiling guy? Around?
Speaker 2: Can I take a cop out answer and say it
Speaker 2: depends on oh he asked you, thank you answer it
Speaker 2: are you ceiling guy?
Speaker 12: Rather?
Speaker 2: I would rather go get a guy that's going to
Speaker 2: be an all pro and take a risk on a
Speaker 2: guy that could be an all pro as opposed to
Speaker 2: relying on only the measurables to get it done. I
Speaker 2: want to get a guy that's going to be a badass.
Speaker 6: So floor mean that they can't grow anymore at all.
Speaker 5: They can't.
Speaker 4: They can't grow with what they are right now is
Speaker 4: as good as they are. And that may be a
Speaker 4: that may be a starter, but they just won't get
Speaker 4: any better.
Speaker 7: Then I'm a ceiling guy ceiling yeah, But I mean
Speaker 7: it's case by case basis, depending on his case, the
Speaker 7: context of your football team at the time, like what
Speaker 7: are you in a building mode or not? It does matter,
Speaker 7: It does matter. It does but no ceiling. If if
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to pick one, I'd rather have the
Speaker 7: ceiling and trust that I've hired.
Speaker 3: Which is the bigger unknown, the ceiling. The ceiling, that's
Speaker 3: what are you likely to bust on?
Speaker 2: More ceiling?
Speaker 3: Yeah, give me the floor. That's floor guy, the floor,
Speaker 3: give me, if you if you give me, if you
Speaker 3: give me fifteen floor guys, I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna that's a buka a lot of game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Booka is a Florida. He can play right now.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's gonna get any bet he
Speaker 4: can run all your round you whatever, whatever, Ye Matthew
Speaker 4: Golden may or may not or a burden may or
Speaker 4: may not. You know what I'm saying, I'm getting to do.
Speaker 4: That's ready to go. I'm sorry to one, you know,
Speaker 4: just real quick.
Speaker 7: You know who his floor guy was Jeff Okuda, and
Speaker 7: Jeff Okuda did not pan out. And then see guy
Speaker 7: was Michaeh. Parsons yep, And so like, I mean, there
Speaker 7: is still that you're still having to have these sort
Speaker 7: of debates and you still got it just because there's
Speaker 7: a projection. I don't think that's enough to be able
Speaker 7: to say I'm not gonna project it.
Speaker 3: David admitted that they didn't know that Michael Bright, I'm
Speaker 3: just out of the edge in general.
Speaker 2: Floor guy out of that draft was with Shawn Slater.
Speaker 2: He ended up being a badass and he ended up
Speaker 2: going higher than I think you even we thought about.
Speaker 2: But thanks iming into him, we said he was a
Speaker 2: floor guy. Yeah, I think we all looked at it
Speaker 2: and said he would have been the better pick there
Speaker 2: at that time. And Michael Parsons is what he is,
Speaker 2: and that's what you kind of have.
Speaker 3: You kind of want to floor guy's. The first round
Speaker 3: pick is what you want, case by case basis.
Speaker 4: You want you want both, you want both guys. You
Speaker 4: want the guy that can play right now, that can
Speaker 4: get better. That's what you want at like twelve overall.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm if you had to pick one, if
Speaker 4: you had to pick one, I'm picking picking. I'm picking
Speaker 4: floor go oh the every day Yeah, it's I don't
Speaker 4: want to I don't have to trust ten coaches to
Speaker 4: get you.
Speaker 2: The good thing is is you don't have to pick one.
Speaker 2: You pick what the prospect is.
Speaker 7: Because if Tyler Smith ended up, Tyler Smith ended up
Speaker 7: better than Zion Johnson.
Speaker 4: Tyler Smith wrestled like we knew Tyler Smith was strong
Speaker 4: and in everybody, And we thought.
Speaker 2: Zion Johnson was gonna be a perennial pro bowler.
Speaker 5: Y'all. I thought that. I ain't think that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, all right, it's time.
Speaker 5: For some Twitter on the Twitter.
Speaker 2: Sorry name, I was a little quick on the trigger.
Speaker 2: You mentioned a wipeout scenario. Yes, John on Twitter wants
Speaker 2: to know about a wipeout scenario? What would it realistically
Speaker 2: look like? What are the names that have to be
Speaker 2: gone at twelve in order for you to say, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, what are we doing here? What are the
Speaker 2: eleven names in front of you? Are just the handful
Speaker 2: that you would have to say, we were wiped out
Speaker 2: and we've got to do something else.
Speaker 5: McMillan, Gent Simmons, Carter H.
Speaker 4: Graham, Hunter, like the Cowboys love it because Will Johnson
Speaker 4: to be there, like they'll they'll, they'll, they'll just take him,
Speaker 4: And which.
Speaker 3: Is Mikeel They're Mike. They're not gonna get white.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys and never get white.
Speaker 4: They're not because nobody's gonna take the players they like,
Speaker 4: uh and and those like that's my wipeout scenario like, damn, well,
Speaker 4: we really left with Jalen Walker, Mike Hail Williams and
Speaker 4: Will Johnson.
Speaker 5: Like that's my wipeout for me?
Speaker 2: Brian similar, Yeah, I mean they're not going to get
Speaker 2: wiped out.
Speaker 3: If you guys are telling me that they love Will
Speaker 3: Johnson and Michael Williams, they're gonna be just fine. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's it's.
Speaker 7: Well, what about for you to wipe out for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well w I McMillan, Burden of Buca, Simmons, Campbell, Genty,
Speaker 3: Carter Graham throw a corner two in there. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean you're down to you know. I I don't know
Speaker 3: if they would pick Green or you know, or are
Speaker 3: they pick Morrison or Revel at corner? I don't. I
Speaker 3: mean they they're so if you take what like I
Speaker 3: say for me personally, I I love Genty, I do,
Speaker 3: and I love Simmons too. I don't think, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think they take Simmons.
Speaker 5: What about the lineback from Alabama? Campbell?
Speaker 4: What about him hot Campbell? Do y'all see him as
Speaker 4: a twelve overall? A twelve overall game with Walker all
Speaker 4: over the board on him.
Speaker 7: They're they're like there was. I think DJ Today mocked
Speaker 7: him in the top ten. Wow, I think and other
Speaker 7: like yeah, no, I I don't look at Johig Campbell
Speaker 7: as you know, a twelfth overall player somebody in that group.
Speaker 7: But I mean that I've heard so many things all
Speaker 7: over the place with camp I.
Speaker 3: Would take I would consider taking him over Johnson and
Speaker 3: Michael Williams.
Speaker 5: I agree there, but I'm also taking Booker over.
Speaker 2: I have him in a similar spot to Williams and Johnson.
Speaker 2: I have both those guys above Campbell, but I have
Speaker 2: Campbell as one of my like he's top second round picks,
Speaker 2: so he'll probably end up in the mid twenties. If
Speaker 2: I had the guess, yeah.
Speaker 6: Walker's a better player.
Speaker 2: I agree, Walker's might LB one.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm wrong about that one.
Speaker 7: That's all good.
Speaker 2: He's out.
Speaker 3: Is that the player I had the best chance of
Speaker 3: being wrong about Walker.
Speaker 4: I I'm probably gonna be more wrong about Walker because
Speaker 4: he could go out there and do a little something
Speaker 4: and everybody's going to start tagging me. But I just
Speaker 4: think Walker does, pardon me, I think Campbell does. All
Speaker 4: the linebackers.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're not wrong about that. I just think I
Speaker 3: think Wasser's the flrd ceiling guy.
Speaker 4: That's my floor for sure. I just think Walker is
Speaker 4: a pass rusher. I think he's a defensive I think
Speaker 4: he's an age. He's just a small defensive event. I
Speaker 4: don't see him as a drop back and coverage dude
Speaker 4: or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But it's okay.
Speaker 4: I'll be wrong, that's cool. But if I'm right, and
Speaker 4: if I don't get fired from this and I come
Speaker 4: back next year, I'm letting y'all know.
Speaker 2: You've let y'all know what. We usually have a segment
Speaker 2: earlier where it's like, guys you were right about and
Speaker 2: guys you were wrong about. I give you like a
Speaker 2: whole segment would be like that, Derek, except you're like, man,
Speaker 2: you know, get him out of here. No, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Steve asked about actually I want to hear about Tommy's wipeouts.
Speaker 6: Wipeouts yet more more or less consensus hunter Carter Gent
Speaker 6: Graham Banks from Texas, McMillan, Baron, Tyler Warren from Penn
Speaker 6: State at the tight end, and then I've got.
Speaker 2: You would consider him as well just because of how
Speaker 2: good of a prospect he is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would, I would consider I wouldn't pick him,
Speaker 6: but I would consider I think that what he's able
Speaker 6: to do for you, just because of how good of
Speaker 6: a receiver he is at tight end. I don't know
Speaker 6: how good of an inline blocker he is, but just
Speaker 6: how athletic he is and how much he can do
Speaker 6: for an all. I mean, you saw him take snaps
Speaker 6: literally everywhere at Penn State quarterback, running back, wildcat offense.
Speaker 6: When you've got an athlete like that, I think it's
Speaker 6: worth a thought. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't take him out.
Speaker 2: That would be the one thing I have a question
Speaker 2: on is the blocking element of it. That's where Bowers differs.
Speaker 2: Like everybody's looking at Tyler Warren and they're saying, oh,
Speaker 2: he's Brock Bowers here in twenty five. That's not the case.
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers was a more complete tight end. But Tyler
Speaker 2: Warren's a damn good receive.
Speaker 3: As song as you're picking at twelve and you got
Speaker 3: fifteen names on the board, you're not going to get
Speaker 3: wiped out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just which is probably gonna be the case. Yeah,
Speaker 2: most likely.
Speaker 7: Noney, all y'all, none of y'all would have none of
Speaker 7: you mentioned him. I guess I haven't noticed enough to
Speaker 7: know if you guys care for him. None of y'all
Speaker 7: think Will Campbell would be in a wipeout. I think, Brian,
Speaker 7: I think Cambell, did you mention miss that I think
Speaker 7: Will Campbell's really I would I think I think Will
Speaker 7: Campbell's definitively a top ten player.
Speaker 5: I would see Campbell than Johnson Wiel.
Speaker 7: To me, like some of these scenarios where I said
Speaker 7: Will Campbell getting pushed down to twelve that some people
Speaker 7: are putting out there, which is not common. You're starting
Speaker 7: to see a little bit more of it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I would go a chum of the water
Speaker 3: right now. No, I'm Campbell.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying I could be talked in about his
Speaker 7: guards whip as your plug and play because Brian, Brian's
Speaker 7: just uh, he's adorable with his questions.
Speaker 2: Well, he's wearing purple, so I think it's only he
Speaker 2: walked in.
Speaker 7: Here smelling great too.
Speaker 2: We're talking about that earlier on Interesting. Yeah, a little picture.
Speaker 7: For this is why I got hohired from the Star.
Speaker 2: Right so, I think that there there needs to be
Speaker 2: a conversation about Will Campbell at twelve. Where would you
Speaker 2: play him first off, is your right guard of the future,
Speaker 2: and then you're keeping everything as is. I think what
Speaker 2: you tackle, I think so too. Yeah, I would put
Speaker 2: him at right tackle and ride.
Speaker 5: But I'm putting the mid left, and then you would
Speaker 5: flip your right and I'm lift.
Speaker 4: I'm living that second year lift tackle fight for his life,
Speaker 4: and we'll see where we go from there. I personally
Speaker 4: think that terror still is a little better than than guiding.
Speaker 4: But you know, maybe they want to save a little
Speaker 4: money by moving on from terrors. I don't know what
Speaker 4: the what the move is there, but I just don't
Speaker 4: see Campbell as a as a gardener. I think he's
Speaker 4: just a full blown tackle guy. He's a little high
Speaker 4: in the stands, but he's a He's a full.
Speaker 2: Blown tap gut of me. What do you think he's
Speaker 2: a tackle tackle?
Speaker 6: I think that the him and him and Banks are
Speaker 6: the two that you hear at the top of that
Speaker 6: tackle list that it's like, oh, there should be guards.
Speaker 6: I don't think either of them are guards. I think
Speaker 6: I think they're both.
Speaker 2: Tackling and tackle. Yeah, Brian thinks he's a guard.
Speaker 3: No, he's no Banks is. I think Will Campbell is.
Speaker 3: But you're you're not. I'm not going to take him
Speaker 3: over Simmons.
Speaker 5: Simmons is better, man.
Speaker 2: Y'all are high on Simmons. Simmons is Simmons Like I'm
Speaker 2: staying on business, on business, stay to your st trut
Speaker 2: r board. I still think Simmons is Bobby smiling man.
Speaker 2: It's not the second round, No, it's him.
Speaker 7: Say it's standing on business. I was thinking of PJ.
Speaker 7: Washington and he's been lately.
Speaker 2: Let's not talk about that. Okay, let's not talk about
Speaker 2: it all right. Back to Steve's questions here on Twitter
Speaker 2: on the twenty what each of you name a running
Speaker 2: back or a corner that you would be okay with
Speaker 2: on Day three if you don't go with either one
Speaker 2: of those spots in the first three rounds. Which is
Speaker 2: that would be a wipeout scenario for me, is if
Speaker 2: Dallas leaves the first three rounds without taking a run
Speaker 2: back or a corner. But what are some of your
Speaker 2: Day three guys that you would possibly have an eye on?
Speaker 4: Every single running back that me and Brian have been watching.
Speaker 4: I say me and Brian because we do a show
Speaker 4: every night, we haven't seen a guy that we know
Speaker 4: every night yeah, the doing all right, go check it
Speaker 4: out on YouTube. But we we've just been watching running
Speaker 4: backs and they may fall in different rounds in a round,
Speaker 4: you know, three four five, but we'll take all of
Speaker 4: them to some extent. Like I've talked about a lot
Speaker 4: of edges that I just don't like, right, there's not
Speaker 4: a running back that we don't like, even my even this,
Speaker 4: this group of Devin Neils.
Speaker 5: Brooks none guy.
Speaker 2: Is that a problem?
Speaker 4: I think this is a good ass group of backs.
Speaker 4: That good of a group it could be a problem
Speaker 4: or are.
Speaker 2: We just not being selective enough on running back?
Speaker 4: The problem is cowboys might overthink this since the end
Speaker 4: of overthinking, and they may go, well, we don't need
Speaker 4: Hampton at forty four. If he's there, we'll just take
Speaker 4: my none guy in the field for something like that.
Speaker 5: I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 4: But on Kylen guy, I love that's the I think
Speaker 4: this is a fantastic cross key mirror over him. Frosty
Speaker 4: Mayor from Arizona is a dude. Martinez is a dude.
Speaker 4: Scatter boat. People like them a little more and not
Speaker 4: like him, but.
Speaker 7: He's yeah, terrible.
Speaker 4: Know, Well, I'll text people, uh f Tome Darns and
Speaker 4: and and and and too. Like, we've watched twenty four
Speaker 4: running backs and we like them all, so uh, pick
Speaker 4: a running back, and I don't have a bad thing
Speaker 4: to saying.
Speaker 3: The last guy on my board is a kid named
Speaker 3: Mullins from Michigan, and I have him in the fifth
Speaker 3: round and I would still I would draft him, absolutely
Speaker 3: draft him. But you talk about like they're to me.
Speaker 3: The fascinating group is comparing, And the question is a
Speaker 3: really good one because if I take my fourth round
Speaker 3: runners and comparing my fourth round corners, that's pretty I
Speaker 3: think I could go a little bit further with my runners.
Speaker 3: But my fourth round corners Repairish from Kansas State, Riley
Speaker 3: from Louisville, Huzzy from North Carolina. All those guys can
Speaker 3: play Nickel by the way, Strong from Virginia Tech is
Speaker 3: in there, dots in Bryant, Kansas, Alexander Lsu. I take
Speaker 3: those guys. But my fourth round, my fourth round runners,
Speaker 3: James Neil Giddons at N Brooks, Martinez toutten, that's a
Speaker 3: good group of guys too. So yeah, it's I think
Speaker 3: both those positions, I think I think there's on Day
Speaker 3: three you could actually the the runners, the linebackers and
Speaker 3: the corners might be all in play that that you
Speaker 3: can probably make that thing stretch a little but and
Speaker 3: probably defensive end.
Speaker 2: So which one you said you feel more confident in
Speaker 2: your running running backs on day three than you do
Speaker 2: your corners or is it about the.
Speaker 5: Same Take the take the corner first?
Speaker 3: Wotch do this for me? James Oregon, Neil Kansas, Gettings,
Speaker 3: Kansas State or Perish, Kansas State, Riley, Louisville, Hussey, North Carolina.
Speaker 5: I'm going with that group of running running backs for sure.
Speaker 7: I think two of those three corners are not going
Speaker 7: to be there on day three.
Speaker 3: Which one do you think?
Speaker 7: Parish right Parish like them?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think I think Parish and Riley are gone on
Speaker 7: the third.
Speaker 3: So probably around low on the runners and corners are
Speaker 3: just the corners.
Speaker 7: The runners are just so jump It's the ice cream
Speaker 7: question you always ask about, Like, I think, there are
Speaker 7: just so many of them. It depends on how people
Speaker 7: prioritize them. But no, I mean, I think it's possible
Speaker 7: those guys could any one of those guys could still
Speaker 7: be there on day three. It's just it's I have
Speaker 7: no idea how teams are gonna stack them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then the running backs may may fall just because
Speaker 4: they're running backs, and you know, corners more premium, I guess,
Speaker 4: so even if you have a fourth on those guys,
Speaker 4: they may go go third just because they are corners.
Speaker 7: The first the first name I thought of when we
Speaker 7: were talking running back and corner here was, for example,
Speaker 7: like when you say day three, Devin Neils, who I
Speaker 7: thought of like as being a guy who could potentially
Speaker 7: be there in like fifth round. That's really but again,
Speaker 7: somebody may like him, somebody may like them.
Speaker 3: I got him in the fourth.
Speaker 6: I have a late third on him. If you if
Speaker 6: you get him on day three, I think you're you're
Speaker 6: setting yourself up pretty well. I think he's one of
Speaker 6: the better receiving backs in the class.
Speaker 7: That's a bell Coow too.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Other other day three got Jordan James from Oregon. Of
Speaker 6: him Brishard smith S MU got him in the third. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think I think he's pretty good too. And then
Speaker 6: at that corner spot, a guy I know Bobby's a
Speaker 6: big fan of his, Jacob Parrish. I think he would
Speaker 6: fit perfectly into that that slot corner position that you're
Speaker 6: looking for.
Speaker 3: There's three corners I think that can all play that.
Speaker 3: I think you could plug him in. Parish is one
Speaker 3: of them. I think Riley at Louisville, and then we
Speaker 3: mentioned Hussey from North Carolina. North Carolina.
Speaker 7: Agree with all that Lewis replacement. I think Parish looks
Speaker 7: a ton like Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. Now, the good news is that
Speaker 2: we're naming guys that we all like that are probably
Speaker 2: going to be available whenever they have the two fifth
Speaker 2: round picks and the sixth round picks and a couple sevens,
Speaker 2: and then that's not even the case. If they tried
Speaker 2: and trade up and package some of those selections, I
Speaker 2: will back into the fourth.
Speaker 4: I would love if I would love if they try
Speaker 4: to get a four because I think the four is
Speaker 4: going to be rich this year.
Speaker 5: That's where I think the fourth round is going to
Speaker 5: be rich.
Speaker 4: Thish, I agree with you, and I think some of
Speaker 4: these guys that we're looking at as like third like,
Speaker 4: some of those guys just gonna kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: fall there. But you know, if if you can get
Speaker 4: a guy, you know, we just had a we just
Speaker 4: had to talk about our tackle from Kentucky. There, right,
Speaker 4: Walker Walker, All the news is weird, strange, all his
Speaker 4: back is broke, Okay, whatever, that's why he wasn't good
Speaker 4: to see it. But if he can be that first
Speaker 4: round talent type dude that we watch on films sometimes, right,
Speaker 4: if you can get that dude in the fourth round
Speaker 4: and figure it out, I think you just see that
Speaker 4: slam dunk at the top of the four.
Speaker 2: Fourth round pick. That would be awesome because you're talking
Speaker 2: about traits, talking about ceiling, you're talking about everything you need.
Speaker 2: But you're not wasting one of those three picks. And
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say wasting it. That's probably a harsh term, sure,
Speaker 2: but you're not taking a premium top one hundred risky
Speaker 2: investment risking the investment. There go, that's a great way
Speaker 2: to put it. You go by taking Walk.
Speaker 3: Kember, Okay, if you're in the fourth go for it
Speaker 3: Himber Collins from Texas.
Speaker 2: I would go with Collins.
Speaker 4: Collins is a better dude, and I don't have questions
Speaker 4: about his back or why his scene.
Speaker 2: But if you're talking about higher ceiling, if we're going
Speaker 2: back to that conversation, Walker's probably has.
Speaker 4: Walker has that Walker some If you make a highlight tape.
Speaker 4: He could be a first round type dude with his
Speaker 4: highlight tape. Yeah, but his downs are weird, Like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: I just looked at it. I've got Collins and Walker
Speaker 4: touching tags.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: But Collins is above.
Speaker 4: Them some some some plays Walker makes, Collins couldn't couldn't
Speaker 4: Dare make them. So that's where that risk comes in. Man,
Speaker 4: hey man, what's wrong with your back?
Speaker 13: Man?
Speaker 5: Why why did the Senior Bowl look like this?
Speaker 7: This?
Speaker 4: This is a prime example of what of what the
Speaker 4: private visit thing situation, thirty visit or whatever. He should
Speaker 4: be a prime thirty visit guy.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: What's going on?
Speaker 12: Bro?
Speaker 5: What happened?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 5: What happened to senior? Bro? But let me what's going
Speaker 5: on with your back?
Speaker 4: And if and if you get good answers out of
Speaker 4: that and he interviews okay, and he just pops up
Speaker 4: in the fourth and you just start thinking about that
Speaker 4: first round looking film. Look at these highlights saying that
Speaker 4: that first round looking film. I just smiled thinking about
Speaker 4: Dion Walker as a first round looking guy as your
Speaker 4: fourth round pick.
Speaker 2: And Tommy, you you talked to Alfred Collins on the
Speaker 2: way was it Senior Bowl or combine combine. So on
Speaker 2: the way to the combine, you talked to al Ford
Speaker 2: Collins and the Cowboys met with him formally. I mean,
Speaker 2: did you get a pretty good indication of maybe where
Speaker 2: he would fit in with this team, most likely over
Speaker 2: a guy like Dion Walker.
Speaker 6: You know, he's not a big interview guy. He's kind
Speaker 6: of short with his answers. But you know, when you
Speaker 6: look at Collins, I think it's kind of similar to
Speaker 6: the conversation that you have with Dion Walker in the
Speaker 6: sense of there's so much upside there. But the thing
Speaker 6: that worries me about Collins is that that's been his
Speaker 6: whole career at Texas is, Hey, we're banking on this
Speaker 6: guy because he has so much room to grow and
Speaker 6: he's got so much upside, and he got better each
Speaker 6: year that he went along, and his last year at
Speaker 6: Texas was by far his best year. But it feels
Speaker 6: like he still hasn't really reached what people thought that
Speaker 6: he would, just in terms of what he's able to
Speaker 6: do with how athletic he was and how big he was.
Speaker 6: I think he looks like a million bucks. I mean,
Speaker 6: he takes up a lot of space there in the
Speaker 6: middle and you know he improved in rushing the passer
Speaker 6: and can plug up the run really well. Texted a
Speaker 6: good job on the interior that this past year. But
Speaker 6: can he take that next step? I think that's always
Speaker 6: been the question with Alfred Collins, and it's going to
Speaker 6: be an even bigger one as he goes to the NFL.
Speaker 6: Is can he take that next step and be kind
Speaker 6: of everything guy in the middle of the D line.
Speaker 7: I'm always like, I will always take a chance on
Speaker 7: somebody with Alfred Collins size, like the Measurables, the Traders,
Speaker 7: and then somebody who plays as hard as he does,
Speaker 7: like that he is a he's a motor guy. He
Speaker 7: doesn't he doesn't take stuff off like I felt like
Speaker 7: there were times like Dion Walker would take off. Yeah,
Speaker 7: And so for me probably yeah, yeah, from just carrying
Speaker 7: Kentucky everywhere. But uh, I think Alfred Collins, like Collins is,
Speaker 7: those are two guys that both having the third but
Speaker 7: like Walker's bottom of third, Collins is at the top
Speaker 7: of that list on the stack. And so for me,
Speaker 7: I think Collins is somebody who absolutely if you want
Speaker 7: to throw something there in the third round and see
Speaker 7: if it'll work out, those are traits and effort and
Speaker 7: motor and everything else that I think are worth banking on.
Speaker 2: I agree, No, I like it good discussion because they've
Speaker 2: taken their time looking at these defensive tackles. They've started
Speaker 2: looking at interior defensive and I think when we get
Speaker 2: to thirty visit time, like you said, Walker is a
Speaker 2: prime possibility there, I wouldn't be surprised to see his
Speaker 2: name on that list. That list is not available yet,
Speaker 2: nor the reports really started yet, but he he could
Speaker 2: be on that list moving forward. All right, when we
Speaker 2: come back, I want to talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: the thought process whenever it gets to got my rundown
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Speaker 2: Just got through with some twitter on the twenty I
Speaker 2: missed the one here, guys. Caesar wanted to know about
Speaker 2: trading back and trying to possibly pick up that fourth rounder.
Speaker 2: You're all good with that? Then you can maybe take
Speaker 2: a chance on a guy like a Mason Taylor second
Speaker 2: round something like that. Is you cool with that?
Speaker 7: Yep? I'm all about picking Mason Taylor, whatever it takes
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Speaker 7: I had Mason Taylor rival interview with you?
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 7: Can I take part in the Mason Taylor rival interview?
Speaker 7: Come on?
Speaker 3: Cool?
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Speaker 5: We can make it happen when his family come through.
Speaker 2: Bobby's on the bus hanging out. Bobby's a big fan
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Speaker 7: Wearing out Almonds texts all the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it, all right.
Speaker 2: Pro days have continued on and the pro Day schedule
Speaker 2: is running down the list at the moment. You kind
Speaker 2: of said this in the break watch, but I want
Speaker 2: the I want the people to hear it. Yeah, how
Speaker 2: much do you care about Prodasky?
Speaker 5: About it.
Speaker 4: You know, uh, you know, everybody runs a little faster,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: That thirty eight yard downhill dash that Brian likes to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 4: This is what's important, right If we hear oh x
Speaker 4: y Z cowboy coach, is that this proda to look
Speaker 4: at x y Z play like that means a little something.
Speaker 4: But if it's about a player moving faster, or hey
Speaker 4: look at those drills, or look at Johnny Manziel throwing
Speaker 4: in shorts and a helmet, I don't really care about
Speaker 4: the protein in particularly. So I'll wait for my you know,
Speaker 4: cowboy friends to you know, tweet about him like, hey,
Speaker 4: this is this coach was here and I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: well that coach was there. That means something. But the
Speaker 4: actual pro day doesn't move anything. It doesn't move anything.
Speaker 5: On my board.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a great point because that is
Speaker 2: something that you got to take advantage of. Is where
Speaker 2: you see those guys end up. We've talked about it.
Speaker 2: I know, Brian, you were very high on this when
Speaker 2: it happened. But when dan Quinn was hitting the road
Speaker 2: and he was at each of these pro days.
Speaker 3: It seemed to draft a lot of guys with dan
Speaker 3: Quinn was at pro.
Speaker 2: Dage exactly, and you can kind of get to that
Speaker 2: point again this year. I wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's something you have to be very
Speaker 3: mindful of that. Will McClay has an interesting job. He's
Speaker 3: trying to make scout's happy. Coach is happy, and the
Speaker 3: jones is happy, and it's a difficult job to do.
Speaker 3: And if you know, if there's kind of a question
Speaker 3: between two players, they tend to side with the coaches
Speaker 3: on some of these guys. So I would keep an
Speaker 3: eye an eye on where some of these coaches are working,
Speaker 3: and especially not I mean if your offensive coordinator goes somewhere,
Speaker 3: or your defensive corneror goes somewhere cool, you get a
Speaker 3: position coach roll into one of these pro days, keep
Speaker 3: an eye on that guy.
Speaker 2: So you think it's more important to see where the
Speaker 2: position coaches go. Position coach, not necessarily scouts or anybody
Speaker 2: like that. The scouts are always going to go, That's
Speaker 2: what I thought. Scouts are always going to go. Scouts
Speaker 2: are always going to go to get the numbers, get
Speaker 2: the measurables. Because there was a lot of love last
Speaker 2: week Texas A or East Texas A and m has
Speaker 2: an edge rusher out there that a lot of players
Speaker 2: and draft nuts out there are really interested in. Chris
Speaker 2: Hall was first in front and Chris Hall that's his area,
Speaker 2: that's where he's at.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's going to If they send a coach
Speaker 3: in there to work that player out, then you then
Speaker 3: now really pay attention. Yeah.
Speaker 7: It's also the Pro Days a lot of times when
Speaker 7: you talk to people in personnel and Brian, I don't
Speaker 7: know if this is your experience.
Speaker 3: But Dallas stays really good for them. Yes, it is
Speaker 3: guys without having to go out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's it's good also on the front for
Speaker 7: just intel for like when they're on when they're when
Speaker 7: they're there at the workout, maybe they can talk to
Speaker 7: a strength coach or a position coach something who when
Speaker 7: they're in the middle of the season didn't feel like
Speaker 7: giving up too much different is now willing to talk
Speaker 7: about something with you about a guy. So I think
Speaker 7: a lot of times there is you will see a
Speaker 7: little bit of margins that you can pick up in
Speaker 7: terms of intel or insight from the school and people
Speaker 7: that work there when you go to the Pro Days,
Speaker 7: as opposed to what you would have gotten in the fall.
Speaker 2: Is there any of that for guys, especially in this
Speaker 2: day and age of college football, where you have the
Speaker 2: transferred portal and you have so many guys skipping school.
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the guys we've talked about is
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan, right, and from Texas A and M. Didn't
Speaker 2: have the best reputation from college station, goes to Old Miss,
Speaker 2: had a good season. Now he's getting drafted out of
Speaker 2: Old Miss. Can you go to Texas A and M's
Speaker 2: pro day and ask about what Walter Nolan did? I remember,
Speaker 2: I'm in Texas A and M.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember going to Johnny Manziel's pro day at Texas
Speaker 3: A and M. And this is when Jimbo Fisher was
Speaker 3: the coach and I talked to him about all the
Speaker 3: Florida State players. I didn't ask him about one Texas
Speaker 3: A and M player, and he was He's like, he goes, man,
Speaker 3: he goes, he goes, I really am glad you did this.
Speaker 3: He goes, I'm learning these A and M kids. He goes,
Speaker 3: but I know those kids down in Tallahassee and they
Speaker 3: had a bunch of them, and he was able to
Speaker 3: kind of fill me in from a head coaching perspective
Speaker 3: of like who he thought could really play, who were
Speaker 3: good kids who you might have to kick in the
Speaker 3: butt to kind of get going. But sometimes you could.
Speaker 3: You could catch a coach that's been somewhere else and
Speaker 3: at a pro day and really learned a lot about
Speaker 3: that team because he's not there anymore, you know.
Speaker 6: So it helps.
Speaker 2: And remember there's a proda going across the board here
Speaker 2: starting tomorrow. The Big twelve is doing there day from here,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of names on that list that
Speaker 2: you could possibly look at. No, there is no Tetoro
Speaker 2: at McMillan working out. He's already done his own definition,
Speaker 2: so he's not doing that. But you've got a lot
Speaker 2: of names from Arizona, Arizona State, Baylor BYU, those the
Speaker 2: schools Colorado as.
Speaker 7: A Jalen working out.
Speaker 2: Uh, let me see Iowa State up he should be.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the list state wide receiver. He is
Speaker 2: not working out at Big twelve. Yeah, he's not. So,
Speaker 2: I mean you can find the whole list on the
Speaker 2: Big twelve website. There were allowed to go watch that.
Speaker 2: I can get you credentially, you want.
Speaker 7: One, got to get it through the Big twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The Big twel Yeah, it's the Big twelve specific Okay,
Speaker 3: I just was curious if we were allowed to watch.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you want if you want to snatch credentially good.
Speaker 2: I actually think it's open to the public too.
Speaker 3: Oh wow cool. I think it's free admission and open
Speaker 3: to the public. So are the cowboys running it as
Speaker 3: they're hosting? Are they getting no?
Speaker 2: All Big Twelve?
Speaker 7: It's all so yeah. I mean last year when they
Speaker 7: had it up here, it was run just like a
Speaker 7: normal pro day. But like when it's funny the guy
Speaker 7: who ran.
Speaker 3: It's like, Sanders isn't throwing here.
Speaker 7: Right, Sanders was supposed to be here. I don't know
Speaker 7: if he's working out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, he's on the list to be there, and
Speaker 3: so I wonder because I thought maybe that that his
Speaker 3: his quarter is OC would probably run the workout for him.
Speaker 7: I have not been blinded by the glimmer of his
Speaker 7: chain yet though, So I don't know if he's actually
Speaker 7: made it to Frisco yet.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it yet. No, uh no. Travis hunter
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're wondering about should Sanders, Travis
Speaker 2: Hunters not on the list in terms of workouts, So
Speaker 2: I mean Shou is on the list, which means he
Speaker 2: could possibly do it, But I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's is the Big twelve flying in all these kids
Speaker 3: for this.
Speaker 6: On the screw.
Speaker 7: I don't remember what the arrangement is. So they did
Speaker 7: the first one last year, and I mean it was
Speaker 7: it was cool. There were a lot of people from
Speaker 7: NFL ops here. Roman Ovin was here, they and I
Speaker 7: mean there were a ton of scouts.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 7: It was productive. Yeah, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: Just down the line kids then who were talking.
Speaker 7: I mean last year there was TJ. Tampa was here, Okay.
Speaker 7: I mean you had some guys who went in like
Speaker 7: the second third round who were running okay, cool. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I mean they're running forties out there.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Probably not the first round names, but good. Everybody else
Speaker 2: is good. Too much ope in there and you can
Speaker 2: watch a little bit of it on the NFL network
Speaker 2: in NFL streaming apps, is what it says here on
Speaker 2: the release. So lots of pro days still to be had, Tommy,
Speaker 2: have you gotten any kind of indication on where Dallas
Speaker 2: would be looking or some of the different guys across
Speaker 2: the board coaching staff, where they've they've been already through
Speaker 2: these first couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: Well one of the ones that I know, O'Brien said,
Speaker 6: you know, coordinators and you kind of you kind of
Speaker 6: hold off a little bit on that. But Matty Eberflus,
Speaker 6: it seems like was that Georgia according to a couple
Speaker 6: of reports. And so you know, we talked about Michael
Speaker 6: Williams a little bit earlier.
Speaker 3: You know, might could be he might have been there
Speaker 3: working out Walk or the linebacker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that they play that had an LB on
Speaker 2: his chest by the way, so well of.
Speaker 4: Course they got to give him something, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: it wasn't the edge E DG. Probably didn't even fit, so.
Speaker 2: You put LB.
Speaker 6: But either either one of those, really, I think, you know,
Speaker 6: you can look at Mattiberflus's past and how he's used
Speaker 6: this kinds of players in his defense. I mean, in
Speaker 6: the Chicago there's Montes Sweat coming off the edge. He's
Speaker 6: much bigger than you know, Michael Williams or Jalen Walker.
Speaker 6: But you drive it back at TJ. Edwards and blanking
Speaker 6: on his name, not Tremaine Edmonds, as a couple of
Speaker 6: guys that he had in that linebacker corps. He's got
Speaker 6: his three technique. You know, so Diggi zeuwis So, now
Speaker 6: do you wonder if he's maybe thinking, Okay, how do
Speaker 6: I build around that? And do Mike hil Williams and
Speaker 6: or and or Jalen Walker fit the build for what
Speaker 6: they're looking for? And then there's a couple into your
Speaker 6: guys Georgia too, I mean Tyre and Ingram Dawkins. Yeah,
Speaker 6: is a guy maybe later on in the draft Day
Speaker 6: three that you can that you can consider there at
Speaker 6: defensive tackle. So there's some guys down there. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, Georgia just cranks out those those defenders, and
Speaker 6: you know you always scout the player and not the helmet.
Speaker 6: But I think George's track record should prove that those
Speaker 6: guys get developed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming up over it in the next two days.
Speaker 2: I mean today you've got Oregon, South Carolina. Those are
Speaker 2: two schools that are having some big names in the draft.
Speaker 2: Alabama is tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Okay, here, We'm gonna ask you a quick question before
Speaker 3: we get out of here. Huh, you're sending your defensive
Speaker 3: line coach to go work out at one place? You
Speaker 3: send him to Oregon or South Carolina?
Speaker 7: Oregon?
Speaker 3: Oregon? Really?
Speaker 2: I think I would say South Carolina. I want to
Speaker 2: I want to know about t J. Sanders, a couple
Speaker 2: of those other guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably Oregon, probably because.
Speaker 5: Oregon is Birch birt Will.
Speaker 2: Harmonyod, a couple of little edge or a little interior
Speaker 2: defensive line talk though at South Carolina. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Oregon to you get, I mean, you get two of them?
Speaker 7: Are three of them?
Speaker 4: Because because because plays both, that's three. That's three ore
Speaker 4: you got yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go party.
Speaker 2: Where would you send them? Brian Oregon, Oregon. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: on an island. That's okay, all right? The uh whenever
Speaker 2: you look at some of these other ones. You got
Speaker 2: cal They've got a couple of defensive backs that we've
Speaker 2: talked about.
Speaker 3: A corner you need, I mean corner, a linebacker. They
Speaker 3: got a corner an Canon, Yeah, you need.
Speaker 2: Michigan's on the twenty first, Florida State on the twenty first,
Speaker 2: Missouri on the twenty first. Then there's a ton of
Speaker 2: them the twenty fourth and twenty fifth. I mean, let's
Speaker 2: just go down the list. Auburn, Boston College, Iowa, East Carolina.
Speaker 2: If you want to know about revel and kind of
Speaker 2: what his injury issue. He probably's not gonna run, right,
Speaker 2: you don't think, God, I wish.
Speaker 4: Texas probably just gonna have his own day, right because
Speaker 4: they got fifteen.
Speaker 2: March twenty fifth. Yeah, yep, so they've got their own
Speaker 2: date or comedy. You're working on there, working on it,
Speaker 2: working on getting down there. I got to pick up Texas.
Speaker 2: You're watching.
Speaker 3: Please pick up the phone, please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's called you a couple of times. Twenty fourth
Speaker 2: you've got SMU, North Carolina, Miami on that list too.
Speaker 2: I mean that's twenty fourth and twenty fifth, those are
Speaker 2: big days. Twenty sixth, you've got Ohio State, LSU is
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth as well, Boise State. If you want
Speaker 2: to hear about Ashton genty and how great he looks,
Speaker 2: because he'll look incredible, no doubt. Twenty seventh, Texas A
Speaker 2: and m Notre Dame, Florida. But yeah, so just so
Speaker 2: you know, all of this is available online. You can
Speaker 2: go look at the entire list yourself. But just to
Speaker 2: keep in mind, Pro Days are around the corner. We'll
Speaker 2: have some stuff on the big twelve Pro Day coming
Speaker 2: up Thursday. But again it's gonna be our one month
Speaker 2: out mock, so we'll have a full first round mock
Speaker 2: for you on Monday or excuse me, on Thursday. Excited
Speaker 2: about that gets you ready for the final month push
Speaker 2: into the NFL Draft. That's gonna do it for us
Speaker 2: today though for Tommy Arish, Brian brought us Fox, Lombardi,
Speaker 2: Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman
Speaker 2: saying so long from the draft show. We will see
Speaker 2: you on Thursday.
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